L.A.'s Leaked City Council Tape Reminds Us Why 'Smoke-Filled Rooms' Are Bad
A lack of transparency doesn't make politicians better people.

The rampant cable news attention seeking and kayfabe committee hearings that characterize politics today have an ideologically diverse set of pundits yearning for a return of the "smoke-filled room." There, the argument goes, politicians could hash out policy in private, frank conversations away from all the bad incentives created by TV cameras and records requests.
"Sometimes," wrote Jonathan Rauch in 2015, "the only thing wrong with smoke-filled rooms is the smoke."
The intensifying scandal surrounding three Los Angeles City councilmembers caught on a surreptitious recording making racist remarks during one such "frank" conversation shows how unwarranted that romance for smoke-filled rooms really is.
On Sunday, the Los Angeles Times published a leaked October 2021 conversation between Councilmembers Nury Martinez, Kevin De León, Gil Cedillo, and labor leader Ron Herrera about redrawing city council district boundaries.
In it, Martinez is heard describing fellow Councilmember Mike Bonin as a "little bitch" while using a Spanish term to describe his black child as a monkey in need of a disciplinary "beatdown." She also goes after Los Angeles County District Attorney George Gascón, saying "fuck that guy…he's with the blacks." De León accused Bonin of using his child like an accessory—comparing him to Martinez's Louis Vuitton purse.
The racist nature of the remarks has led to widespread calls for the three councilmembers to resign. On Tuesday, President Joe Biden, via White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre, said all three needed to go. On Wednesday, California Attorney General Rob Bonta announced a state investigation into the redistricting process.
Last night, Martinez bowed to the pressure and announced that she would resign. De León and Cedillo are still on the council.
One question raised by this scandal is whether Los Angeles residents and voters are better off knowing the candid thoughts of their representatives.
The people calling for the councilmembers to resign certainly think this is important and useful knowledge. For them, it's determinative of whether they think a public figure can reliably serve in their role or not.
But for the smoke-filled room supporters on the left, right, and center, our ability to peer into backroom deals between politicians is making our politics worse, not better.
"Lying, cheating, and stealing are certainly more difficult when the world is watching. But so are dickering, floating trial balloons, being candid, and working out complex deals," said Rauch in his 2015 book Political Realism, arguing for a return to a more transactional politics. Closed-door negotiations, he argued, give politicians "more freedom to explore policy options and multidimensional, integrative solutions."
Blogger Matt Yglesias' 2016 essay "Against Transparency" went even further with this idea by arguing against "input disclosure"—a wonky term that refers to transparency around the political back-and-forth that produces policy.
"The fundamental problem with input disclosure is that in addition to serving as a deterrent to misconduct, it serves as a deterrent to frankness and honesty," said Yglesias. "Rather than saying what they mean, participants will be saying what they want to be seen as saying. Actual decision-making will take on the flavor of a stage-managed press conference, where ideas are sanitized and no mistakes are confessed."
So long as we still have output disclosure—i.e. transparency around the end policy produced by all that private politicking—voters can still make informed decisions about their government, says Yglesias.
It's an idea that has proven pretty sticky. People have used some version of it to argue for removing cameras from congressional committee hearings or even ending presidential primaries.
The common thread of all these arguments is that politicians are made worse by having to do their business in public and remain appealing to voters at each step of the way. Better to have a backroom dealer subject to the occasional election than a political performer who's always on for the cameras, the thinking goes.
Revelations about how the three Los Angeles councilmembers behave when they think no one is listening suggest that cameras aren't as damaging as we might think, and that backroom deals can be pretty dirty indeed.
There is, after all, a heavily public component of the Los Angeles redistricting process. A 21-member redistricting commission made up of members of the public holds hearings, logs their ex parte negotiations, and ultimately draws up a recommended map for the city council to consider.
This isn't an apolitical process, but its structure creates at least a stab at transparency and public spiritedness. The smoke-filled room advocates would seemingly argue that this is only making Los Angeles' governance worse. Better to let professional politicians hash out redistricting largely in private, where they can candidly acknowledge political realities and cut deals.
We now have a great example of what that actually looks like. Freed from input disclosure, Martinez and her colleagues let fly all sorts of horrible and disparaging remarks about their colleagues and constituents while they tried to carve up the city council districts to suit their interests. It's not a pretty thing to listen to. More to the point, I'm not sure what value it added to the redistricting process in L.A.—other than potential criminality.
Obviously, Yglesias and Rauch, and other smoke-filled room advocates, aren't defending the comments made by L.A.'s embattled/disgraced councilmembers.
But it's hard to see how a politics that involves more smoke-filled rooms and less public disclosure would guard against such ugliness. We can't rely on anonymous whistleblowers making recordings of every racist, horse-trading conversation, after all.
The smoke-filled room defenders aren't wrong that shining light on everything has its downsides. Purely performative politics produces plenty of its own problems.
Striking the right balance mostly seems to be a task for people who want the government to do a lot of things. The smaller and less impactful city hall is, the less we need to worry that it's run by bad people.
Indeed, one idea floated in the wake of the council scandal is reducing councilmembers' discretion over real estate development and contracting in their districts. That would lessen their incentive to fight over territory and voters. That would, in turn, potentially lead to less corruption, and more willing transparency.
It's no surprise that past corruption is tied to power over enticements, usually land-use approvals, and perhaps even influencing over city contracts.
— Laura Friedman (@LauraFriedmanCA) October 11, 2022
Until that happens, I'd argue we're better off with a system that forces politicians to do their dirty work in public. Output disclosure isn't enough.
"The theory says that sunshine is the best disinfectant, but people also need a dark room to sleep in at night if they're going to function properly," writes Yglesias. This week's leaked audio reveals the room that L.A. politicians sleep in is pretty dark indeed.
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Reason made the obligatory Matt Yglesias reference, but it wasn't ENB, does that count for half a point?
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Half a pint?
"A lack of transparency doesn't politicians better people."
I....agree?
Hmm, I thought California has a law (the Brown Act? Bagley-Keene?) forbidding non-open meetings among council members such as this one.
Citation, jackass. You're always big on citations. Could look it up yourself, no, you'd rather pretend to be polite snarky.
Since when do rules or laws matter to democrats? They’re simply tools. To be discarded at will or situationally wielded as weapons against republicans or other democrats that try and leave the plantation. He can either ‘living breathing constitution’ bullshit.
Yes, many Democrats break the rules, often to go after Republicans or their own apostate members.
Also, many Republicans break the rules, often to go after Democrats or their own apostate members.
To assert it is a Democrat-only trait is pure partisanship.
Lots of people "break rules". I may have jaywalked as much as some random democrat.
The question is, do you believe that republicans are (fundamentally) as corrupt as the democrat? Do republicans control banks, schools, Hollywood, etc? Remember, the left tried to ruin a man's life by concocting stories about him being a drunk rapist. They awarded emmys and book deals to a governor who essentially ordered his state to the covid hotspot of the nation. Hunter Biden coverup is self explanatory.
The racist outburst is relevant in the redistricting conversation because it shows how the left wants to consolidate power along racial lines. Listen to what Martinez said about Gascon (paraphrase) - "Fuck him, he's with the blacks even though Latinos were with him first". Then she or Leon says Bonin is using his black kid just to score points with blacks. They scheme to take over Mark Ridley Thomas' seat without making it appear as a "hostile takeover" in the eyes of blacks.
This is dangerous cabal of racial tribalists, and they enjoy monopoly power in CA. Just look at what happened to CA in the last 20 years. The leak isn't about politicians making racist jokes, it revealed their agenda and worldview.
90% of us Libertarians get it. Reason doesn't get it. That's why their reaction to this is some didactic take on why "backroom discussions ain't no good" Dear God, you think a bunch of race obsessed radicals won't find some ways to discuss their plans in secret? At
I'm sure Nury's replacement will be a breath of libertarian-ish fresh air.
To be sure.
Because this behavior has nothing to do with the dominant local part being generationally steeped in identity politics.
light is truth. public servants can sleep in the dark when they're finished serving.
Smoke is the best thing in smoke filled rooms, since it comes from pols respectful of smokers rights, and content to bribe each other with cigars instead of robbing the public purse.
What this illustrates even further is that they should not be "going back and forth" behind the scenes to dicker over public policy, because any public policy that requires dickering behind the scenes should be out of bounds for government in general in the first place! That city government is corrupt and has been for a very long time should not surprise anyone. What has become increasingly clear is that modern high population density regions are not democratically governable without the moral equivalent of a dictatorship and that incestuous relationships between officials and public employee unions guarantee official corruption.
"But so are dickering, floating trial balloons, being candid, and working out complex deals . . . "
Just a wild and crazy idea; perhaps they could have principles, and not change with the winds of the day. You know, say the same thing in private as in public. Speak politely at all times, not just when they are aware a mike is on. Things like that.
(yeah, and news outlets should cite named, reliable, verifiable sources)
I am still unsure of the controversy, nothing he said was wrong. Mike Bonin is a little bitch that doesn't diciplins his kid
Eskimos have a hundred words for snow and, apparently, the Spanish have a single term for 'a black child who acts like a monkey and needs a disciplinary "beatdown."' Seems oddly verbose for such a single word or term, but I'm told the Spanish language is colorfully expressive and we do have analogous terms like 'curb stomping' and 'lynching' I guess.
Anyway, I'm sure with the modern MSM, nothing got lost in translation or taken out of context and we should believe their narrative over any given politician's statements.
'Blogger Matt Yglesias' 2016 essay "Against Transparency" went even further with this idea by arguing against "input disclosure"'
That's the same Matt Yglesias who was a leader of Journolist, which was a down-low Internet group where Leftist journalists could get their stories straight to aid Leftist politicians? I don't know how his name can be mentioned in regard to this subject without noting the Journolist scandal.
A defense of Journolist:
Strange, because that’s what makes twitter so great. Journalists are incapable of shutting the fuck up, especially publicly, and they desperately want us to know their range-of-the-moment hottakes on every subject under the sun. So that helps us know how full of shit a journalist is in their straight-news reporting or regular column. We can go to twitter and know what they REALLY think.
And this humdinger:
Why wasn’t it ideologically diverse? We didn’t want any of that diversity getting in the way of what we already thought. See? Nothing to worry about here. But we were only discussing sports scores... so... we didn't want any right-wingers for that reason either, or something.
It did happen, it just wasn’t as bad as you say.
"The liberal writers on that list are my competitors. My goal is to publish original ideas before they do. Telling them my ideas in advance would be a criminally stupid act. So even when people did float a concept, which was rare, they naturally tended to be cagey about it."
Bad robot
Why wasn’t it ideologically diverse? We didn’t want any of that diversity getting in the way of what we already thought. See? Nothing to worry about here. But we were only discussing sports scores… so… we didn’t want any right-wingers for that reason either, or something.
The cognitive dissonance of "being forced to re-establish first principles" is hilarious. "We got tired of umpires, pitches, catches, and running all the bases, so we just decided to toss the ball up among ourselves, hit it, run from home to first, and call it a home run." Sounds like a herpetologists handshake list.
I browsed 10 years of the Reason comments and found seven comments with people talking about the Buffalo Bills. This isn't a political comment board, it's just a place where people shoot the shit, but we're all in 100% political alignment because we don't want to have to hash out first-principles when discussing the Buffalo Bills.
Shorter: Twitter is a tangled mass of ill-thought journalist hot takes. If this board was a place that they could do the hot takes they didn’t want to discuss publicly, this ‘message board’ must have been a fucking crazy-pants zoo.
Because ENB, and most of the Reason staff, are friends with Yglesias?
I'm more interested in the meat of the discussion then the racist remarks. Anyone seen a breakdown what they were discussing and how it effects LA? Labor Unions and government being in bed is known but seeing how the machinations work behind the scene could be very illuminating.
Not that seeing these "woke" politicians getting hoisted by their own petards isn't good fun.
True. It is a strange world we are in when we are more concerned about the insults politicians used than the substance of what they are trying to foist on us. As if referring to Mike Bonin as a “venomed, puke-stocking, horn-beast” instead of a “little bitch” would make a real difference for the residence and taxpayers of LA.
I agree, policy is the most important thing, not personality. which by the way can be faked as we saw with “nice guy” Joe Biden as he turned into “Dog Faced Pony Soldier” Joe Biden and Everyone that disagrees with me is a “Fascist” Joe Biden.
Good article but did TReason.com mention the Biden Administration is the least transparent Administration ever, everything done in that smoke filled back room.
I believe Klain's office is a smoke-free zone.
re: kayfabe - I learned a new word today. I have to admit I thought it was a typo at first. Thank you.
You'd think Reason would have used it before, to describe the Jan 6 hearings.
Impossible. I’ve been repeatedly assured that only white Republicans can be racist.
Martinez
De León
Cedillo
Herrera
Guess those are some of those Hispanic Whites, since everyone knows only White people are racist.
Sidebar, is it too much to ask that adults act like professionals?
I love watching progtards bitch slap each other over wokeness. There’s also this gem from NYT:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/07/nyregion/dog-attack-park-slope-brooklyn.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
On Aug. 3, Jessica Chrustic, 40, a professional beekeeper, was walking her dog in Prospect Park a little after 6 a.m
does... professional beekeeping provide enough income to live in Park Slope? Or is she married to an international Banking executive?
Maybe she makes an “honest” living selling $50 jars of honey to her fellow Park Slopers.
“It’s a conflict of values, between wanting security and social justice.
Uh huh.
Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez characterized it as an outlet for privileged white people to vent criminal fantasies about their Black and brown neighbors. She tweeted, “@Nextdoor needs to publicly deal w/ their Karen problem.”
I admit, this is a tough one. What happens when a real Karen is affected by real crime? Do we just look the other way because it happened to a Karen?
The "normies" of Park Slope.
Others called Mr. Lofsnes naïve or accused him of mansplaining, or told him to take his comments to another thread.
Awesome.
You got what you voted for. That is all.
Wait, what, Kris? Take your neighborhood "back"... back from... what?
1970s: a conservative is a liberal who has just been mugged.
2020s: a conservative is a liberal who has just had her dog attacked by a bipoc homeless lunatic”
“Social justice demands that we let mentally ill people live in filth on the street and allow them to kill dogs with impunity.”
That’s what progressives believe.
These people sound white-adjacent.
Have any of these odious little tax-dependent cunts ever had a real job?
-jcr
Yglesias and Rauch, and other smoke-filled room advocates, aren't defending the comments made by L.A.'s embattled/disgraced councilmembers.
No, they're just advocating the conditions that let these scumbags get away with it for years.
-jcr
Gott in Himmel! Imagine if Louse Angeleno politicos ever see a showing of a Menace 2 Society movie... They'll blacklist all of Hollywood! It'll be HUAC and racial collectivist baiting and profiling all over agin!
You know who else didn’t care for smoke-filled rooms?
Really? Why would I care whether some council member says something nasty about the child of another council member? Why would any libertarian care? That is what progressives obsess about. And, of course, that's what Reason obsesses about.
The fact that these people tax and spend like there's no tomorrow, and rule the city like the little semi-fascists they are, is completely transparent. That's what matters. And LA voters apparently like it that way.
I am sure people always say horrible things when they think the moment is private. Lyndon Johnson said horribly racists things, but also advanced civil rights legislation. Congress functioned better before C-Span. Rather that doing horse trading and compromising, congressional representatives will give speeches to an empty congressional floor "for the record" and fear compromising for it might upset their "base".
There is a reason the song "no one know what happened in the room where it happened" is about two politicians who strongly disagreed were able to make a deal. That is the true art of politics when it functions correctly.
Also Jewish.