Brickbat: The Purge

Someone manually deleted 191 text messages from the phone of then-Seattle mayor Jenny Durkan following the 2020 protests in response to the death of George Floyd. That's one finding from a forensic report included in a lawsuit filed by business owners and residents over damages from those protests. The report also found "factory resets" were done on the phones of six other city officials, including then-police chief Carmen Best and Fire Chief Harold Scoggins, leading to the deletions of thousands of other text messages. Those texts should have been preserved under both state public records law and legal evidence rules.

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[Adans smith]

'This lawsuit has been interrupted by technical problems. Service will be restored soon'.

[Rob Misek]

Talking about surreptitiously deleting messages, it looks like Reason has begun doing it too.

Why did you delete this comment of mine from the article?

“Rob Misek 4 days ago
Speech isn’t rocket science. It’s either truth or lies. Any competent adult knows when they are lying. That is when they claim truth without unrefuted evidence of logic and science to prove it.

Criminalize lying and empower free speech.

Persecuting anyone for speaking truth is logically a crime where free speech is a right.

Inciting violence or crime is either a lie or a threat.

Many topics have nothing to do with diversity or racism. Being asked to make a nonexistent connection is being asked to lie.

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http://reason.com/2022/09/30/mandated-diversity-statement-drives-jonathan-haidt-to-quit-academic-society/?comments=true#comments

[Unicorn Abattoir]

I bet the Mossad deleted it.

[Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf]

Naw, it was those dirty sneaky k-k-kikes.

[Its_Not_Inevitable]

It was those lying Jooooooooooooooooos!!!!!

[Rob Misek]

I was under the illusion that libertarians valued free speech.

Apparently not, when they deny what they have never refuted.

[Unicorn Abattoir]

Stupid stormfag.

[Rob Misek]

Oh look, I saved it.

Rob Misek 4 days ago
Speech isn’t rocket science. It’s either truth or lies. Any competent adult knows when they are lying. That is when they claim truth without unrefuted evidence of logic and science to prove it.

Criminalize lying and empower free speech.

Persecuting anyone for speaking truth is logically a crime where free speech is a right.

Inciting violence or crime is either a lie or a threat.

Many topics have nothing to do with diversity or racism. Being asked to make a nonexistent connection is being asked to lie.

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Johnathan Galt 3 days ago
Not to mention the small point that you cannot ever hope to eliminate institutionalized racism by expanding the scope of institutionalized racism.

These people are not merely misguided, not simply wrong – they are a malicious cult of destruction.

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Rob Misek 2 days ago
I don’t know if they’re malicious or just stupid.

Maybe, like a cult, they believe that what they do is right, but they’re too stupid to tell right from wrong or truth from lies correctly, with logic and science.

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Ted 2 days ago
So you want to criminalize lies. If so, then you will be put in prison for saying the Holocaust never happened.

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Rob Misek 2 days ago (edited)
The simple fact is that you nor anyone else has ever refuted anything that I’ve said. You therefore can’t prove your claim that I have lied.

There have been a grand total of ZERO official forensic studies meaning that there is no physical evidence proving that the holocaust occurred.

The story depends solely upon paid and coerced testimony and the fact that providing ANY evidence that refutes it is a crime to look for or share in EVERY nation where it allegedly occurred.

Even so, the story told itself defies logic and science.

We must believe that the Nazis were so efficient and diabolical that they completely destroyed ALL physical evidence such that not even the most stringent forensic analysis could ever find any.

We must believe that they knew the allies had broken the enigma code when they used it to deceive about prison camp information but still used it to communicate their actual military plans. To believe that we must believe they intentionally lost the war to cover up the holocaust.

Yet we must believe they allowed their actions to be photographed and stored in archives and for Jewish witnesses to live.

And we must believe that they chose to use insecticide IMPROPERLY applied and facilities IMPROPERLY designed to carry out their plans.

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Ted 2 days ago
The Holocaust is proven fact. You present some molehill of obscure crackpot ‘evidence’, versus a mountain range of real evidence that proved the Holocaust (including evidence presented at the Nuremberg trials). Yet you pretend none of this has ever been litigated over the last 80 years. Even though your laughable claims have been refuted many times here, and probably everywhere else too.

You probably think the moon landing was faked too. You’re a crackpot Nazi, by your own admission.

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Rob Misek 1 day ago
The only facts are that you haven’t refuted anything that I’ve said or provided any evidence that hasn’t been refuted.

Nuremberg, hahaha.

“Harlan Fiske Stone, a member of the US supreme court, said Robert Jackson, the chief US prosecutor, was away “conducting his high-grade lynching party in Nuremberg”. Not that Stone minded what was done to the Nazis, he just didn’t want justice to be tainted by it in fraudulent trials.“

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Inquisitive Squirrel 1 day ago
No, your Nazi loving, pathetic anti-Semitic self has been refuted beyond comprehension. You just won’t accept it because you’re a giant, sore-sucking piece of shit who won’t go the fuck away.

Get so bent you waste of space.

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Rob Misek 1 day ago
This is how I clearly and unambiguously ensure that what I say represents truth, reality.

I value the inalienable human right to free speech.

I value the supremacy of correctly applied logic and science in discerning and demonstrating truth aka reality.

I value the application of both in open debate to conclude and demonstrate that truth can never be refuted while untruths can be.

I commit that if what I say is ever refuted, I’ll never say it again.

Who else can honestly say this and back it up as I do?

Does this represent the character of your bogeyman?

I challenge you to describe how you or anyone else has refuted anything I’ve said and prove your claim with a link to the alleged conversation.

This is where all you lying, bleating, waste of skin trolls cut and run.

Inquisitive Squirrel 12 hours ago
You’re also a raving Holocaust denying anti-Semitic Nazi, which basically wipes away any claims you make about being virtuous or based in reality.

Again, if you don’t want to be called an anti-Semitic Nazi, stop being one.

Rob Misek 11 hours ago (edited)
I’ll stick with the truth. If that’s anti-Jew, it sucks to be you.

I like feeding trolls what you can’t refute and laughing every time you choke. Hahaha.

Rob Misek 11 hours ago
Think about that when you’re chanting your satanic plan to lie tomorrow.

“All vows, obligations, oaths, and anathemas [curses]which we may vow, or swear, or pledge, or whereby we may be bound, from this Day of Atonement until the next we do repent. May they be deemed absolved, forgiven, annulled, and void, and made of no effect: they shall not bind us nor have any power over us. The vows shall not be reckoned vows; the obligations shall not be obligations; nor the oaths be oaths.”

Inquisitive Squirrel 11 hours ago
But the truth isn’t anti-Semitic. You’re anti-Semitic. And what you have done is ignored that mountains of evidence like the Holocaust museum, testimony from hundreds of Nazi concentration camp guards, the existence of places like Auschwitz, and on and on and on and on, in order to justify the simple fact that your marble sized brain doesn’t like Jews and agrees with Nazis.

The amount of putrid and insanity that you represent is unfathomable at this point.

But hey, you like being the biggest POS here, so congrats, you have that spot fully locked up.

Rob Misek 10 hours ago
Museums, paid and coerced testimony, prison camp’s or fraudulent trials don’t prove anything.

The truth is demonstrated with irrefutable evidence of logic and science.

Of that, you have provided none, while my statements remain unrefuted.

Inquisitive Squirrel 9 hours ago (edited)
“All the evidence that goes against what I believe is fraudulent!”

-Nazi Fuck, Misek.

Rob Misek 9 hours ago
Those are your words, not mine.

The Chief Justice of the United States at the time called Nuremberg a fraudulent trial.

Inquisitive Squirrel 9 hours ago
They are my words accurately expressing your position. You are simply a conspiracy theorist who latches on to minimal and disjunct information while ignoring the HORDES of information counter to your position in order to justify being a Nazi.

You are just a moronic, Nazi-loving, anti-Semitic garbage human.

Rob Misek 1 hour ago
I’m pleased with the optics of our dialogue.

Rob Misek 1 hour ago
Because I’d rather be a conspiracy exposer than a conspiracy advocate.

Rob Misek 2 days ago
In every country where it allegedly occurred once someone claims something is holocaust related, it’s a crime to prove it isn’t.

Fucked up jews.

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Ted 2 days ago
Irrelevant, as you have no proof. The Holocaust is a fact. Stop lying, or you will be put in prison.

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Rob Misek 36 mins ago
No proof of what? That holocaust denial is a crime in every nation where it allegedly occurred?

“Sixteen European countries and Israel have laws against Holocaust denial…Many countries also have broader laws that criminalize genocide denial.” Wiki

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Dariush 2 days ago
George: “Jerry, just remember. It’s not a lie… if you believe it…

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[5.56]

Dude, do you know how pathetic it makes you look, obsessing about the comment sections of the online magazine of an irrelevant political party?

Like wow, do you actually save these things and put work into it?! Do you have a life?!

[5.56]

I mean “stormfag” really seems appropriate here.

[5.56]

But now i actually know why you want to criminalize “lying” (disgrace for any American). Its because you really seem to have nothing in your life apart from what you think is the absolute truth and being right about it. Poor stormfag.

[TheReEncogitationer]

So take it up with the Reason Staff.

And Fuck Off, Nazi!

[m40195971]

Deletions and resets should be prima facie evidence of guilt for a RICO prosecution or civil lawsuit.

[Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf]

In my libertopia, tampering with evidence like that doesn't prove you guilty of the underlying issue, it just applies the maximum punishment of that underlying issue to you. If you are also found guilty of the underlying issue, that punishment is additional.

[Stuck in California]

My libertopia holds government officials to a higher standard. If you're allowed to exercise power over others, that power must be strictly limited. Power corrupts, and all that.

If you want to be the more equal pig, you should not be forgiven for anything purposely done that constitutes lack of openness in government business.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Did the deleted texts show they all invested in plywood inventories and price gouged?

[Jerryskids]

"Someone".

[Vernon Depner]

And nothing more happened...

[Naime Bond]

Deleting what should not be deleted is now commonly referred to as the 'Hillary Defense' in legal Circles. Foolproof.

[Ersatz]

or the Lois LernerIRS oopsie

We’d like to see those ard drives with your email correspondences regarding the targeting of conservative charities IRS-Thats going to be a problem…. Why? IRS-cant find them

And the backups?
IRS - they're a bit runny sir
Oh I like them runny
IRS- i think they're a bit runnier that you'd like sir
I dont care how runny they are - hand them over with all speed
IRS- Awwww
What now?
IRS- the cats eaten it
Has it?
IRS - she, sir

[mad.casual]

Coulda been worse, they could have been safely storing the texts in a locked safe in the offices of their residence.

[Longtobefree]

Much simpler to claim the phones were burned up in the mostly peaceful protests.

[Sometimes a Great Notion]

Aye, the Summer of Love, brings back fond memories.

[Mother's Lament]

At least Charles Oliver still posts libertarian interest stuff here.

[Jerry B.]

Hillary Clinton would be proud.

[Seamus]

As would Rose Mary Woods.

[Cyto]

Both Apple and Android products come with cloud based features that backup text messages. Should be easy enough to recover.... Right?

[Cyto]

Plus, doesn't the government have a database of every text message? Should we not be able to subpoena that? Or is that only for the feds? (If so, how is that legal?)

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Look, slow down. These aren't January 6 rioters. This is the progressive, forward-thinking, first white lesbian mayor of Seattle!

There's due process to follow here.

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[Rossami]

Apple, maybe. They come with the cloud backup turned on by default. Android, probably not. The cloud backup is a choice of the service provider, not the operating system and must be turned on by the phone owner.

And in either case, the cloud backups will replicate deletions, though often on some lagged basis. If the messages were wiped more than a few months ago, they're probably gone from the backups too.

Finally, it all depends which texting app you use. The answers above assume you stuck with the phone's default messaging app. If you switched to a more secure message app (such as Signal), all bets are off about recoverability.

[Vernon Depner]

And if you're smart, you have that shit turned off.

[Don't look at me!]

Why? Everyone sending each other dick pix or something?

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

What the brickbat isn’t going into detail with is the city of seattle is being sued by a bunch of small business owners who were devastated by CHAZ (CHOP) and that the city didn’t just leave the rioters alone, but gave them material support.

This has, at least to every reasonable observation been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. So the only remaining question is, can it be proven in a court which is probably pre-disposed to side with the city, lest it set a destabilizing precedent?

But to your specific question, these were text messages sent to/from the Mayor while the city was in direct negotiations with Black Lives Matter and other riot "leaders" offering them said material support, money and even the discussion of handing over the police precinct to BLM.

[m40195971]

Thank you for the additional info

[5.56]

The crucial info that is, the info that reasons dem shills would only include at gun point.

[MWAocdoc]

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