Brickbat: Out of Gas

The California Air Resources Board (CARB) has voted to ban the sale of natural gas heaters, water heaters, and furnaces by 2030. Regulators said the move will reduce greenhouse gas emissions and air pollution.

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[Adans smith]

Ad millions of cars and households to a grid that can't handle the load now with no plans to build any new power plants . Yeah, that checks out.

[The Jeffersonian]

Time for a lawsuit by rational Californians.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Both of them?

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[Social Justice is neither]

Objection. The "rational" consumers harmed stayed in that Maoist utopia long enough to be harmed so just how rational could they be?

[Mockamodo]

Heck, they aren't just not building power plants, they're shutting down existing power plants. We're gonna need a lot of hamsters on wheels and rubber bands.

[Fist of Etiquette]

The damage from alternate energy isn't real damage so it's okay,

[Vernon Depner]

Because electricity just appears out of nowhere. Tesla was a genius.

[Jerryskids]

If the electric grid is in trouble, all they have to do is ban any sort of electrical appliances as well. Easy peasy.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Heat? Your living unit space will be plenty warm, shared with two families and that crazy guy assigned to you for equity reasons.

[Agammamon]

Listen, Comrade, a good socialist does not horde a three bedroom, 1200ft2 home. You will be allowed one bedroom and personal items. The rest will be shared by your assigned housemates.

We have a housing and homelessness crisis.

[Stuck in California]

> and that crazy guy assigned to you for equity reasons.

So, if I don't have that one crazy guy here with me, does that mean I'm the one crazy guy?

If that's the case, then 2020s life in California is starting to make sense.

[Longtobefree]

I'm pretty sure the gangs hanging around the wood fires in the 55 gallon drums make mother nature smile all over.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

But remember, kids, only use burning car tires for "necklacing" in true anti-racist emergencies.

[Its_Not_Inevitable]

Here's a thought. What'll happen to the 55 gal drum bbq/smokers?

[John F. Carr]

Do they have propane in California?

[Brandybuck]

Yes, and as far as I am aware, it's still legal. Because no one in big cities where the voters are know about it. But still extremely common out in the country (what, you though California was one giant suburb?).

Biggest utility in the state is PG&E, which stands for Pacific GAS and Electric. Also the most hated. Compared to them Souther California Edison looks like a saint.

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I wonder what happens when my 20 year old propane furnace self-destructs in 1931. Guess I drive to Nevada or Utah.

[Brandybuck]

Install a new one, just don't tell anyone about it. It's like real shower nozzles and high flow toilets. Just don't tell anyone about it. And why I want free trade, because you can only get them from Canada or Mexico.

[Gasman]

Europe is showing us the way that this will play out; will be a very cold winter for some/many.

Wonder who bombed the undersea NORD pipelines. Could have been Russia. But western powers have a similar interest in seeing certainty for the winter. The Russians actually have a dis-incentive for destroying pipeline, as they can let some gas flow, then threaten to yank the chain of the european leaders after it gets really cold in January. Now the Russians have zero leverage through natural gas over europe. Perverse as it may be for european leaders, creating certainty in energy markets(by destroying the pipeline themselves) now is better than allowing the Russians to give/take all winter long.

[Art Stone]

The Nord stream pipeline is only one Russian fed pipeline to Europe. The ones through Belarus and Ukraine are still delivering Russian natural gas to those customers willing to pay in rubles

[swillfredo pareto]

The California Air Resources Board (CARB) has voted to ban the sale of natural gas heaters,

Q: What did Californians use to burn to heat their houses and businesses before night soil and petrified cow shit?

A: Natural gas.

[mad.casual]

Q: Do you know why there were no Californians in Star Trek?
A: Because it was set in the future.

[Vernon Depner]

No, that's wrong. Star Fleet was headquartered San Francisco.

[Unicorn Abattoir]

That explains those gay looking uniforms.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Also the homeless camps and shop-lifting.

[Brandybuck]

Yes, the center of the Future Bureacracy was set in San Francisco. (Actually Marin County, but maybe future San Francisco annexed it).

[mad.casual]

Star Fleet was headquartered San Francisco.

Humans in and out of Star Fleet colonize all sorts of abandoned wastelands throughout the galaxy, what's your point?

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Even San Francisco used to be anti-trans.

[Brandybuck]

This only one month after they warned all electric car owners not to recharge their cars.

There are places in California that actually freeze in winter. If we can't burn wood or propane or natural gas, we're going to be using diesel generators to power their "clean" heating. Oh wait, that's already happening.

[n00bdragon]

There are places in California that actually freeze in winter.

And those places are where the bitter clingers live. Getting rid of them isn't a side effect, it's the point.

[TJJ2000]

Sure glad everyone realized "global warming" will keep them warm.
Otherwise they just might figure out this is all about Gov-GUN power.

[Dillinger]

the move of everybody from California to elsewhere will reduce greenhouse gas emissions and air pollution.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

But fuck up politics across the country.

[Brandybuck]

The people who vote for this shit aren't the ones moving. The people who vote for this shit think they have found paradise.

[Art Stone]

But the people leaving California will be replaced by the undocumented migrants in even larger numbers

[Mockamodo]

I think you mean greenhouse emotions.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

he California Air Resources Board (CARB) has voted to ban the sale of natural gas heaters, water heaters, and furnaces by 2030. Regulators said the move will reduce greenhouse gas emissions and air pollution.

Requiring a pivot to electricity... which the state is unable to provide.

At some point, the needle is going to move from incompetent to evil.

[Stuck in California]

Going to?

[Utkonos]

The brain farts coming out of Sacramento provide all the natural gas we California peasants need.

[Art Stone]

The green party in Germany has developed the solution to this issue. You outlaw the natural gas furnaces burning "fossil fuels" and require people instead to have wood stoves that burn "renewable" wood pellets. As the trees are cut down to make the wood pellets, you hand out money to people that grow trees to again "permanently" sequester carbon dioxide in the new trees.

[DuckFarmer]

Not arguing in favor of the government telling folks how to keep warm, but it's worth bearing in mind that heat pumps are actually so efficient that it uses less gas to power a plant and transmit that energy, even with losses, to an electric heat pump, than to burn the gas on site with a 90% efficient gas furnace.

As always, the market would have accomplished the desired goals more efficiently if left alone.

[Winston in Wonderland]

DuckFarmer:

I agree that heat pumps can work pretty well, so long as ambient temperatures are pretty warm. Here in Idaho, folks with heat pumps generally switch to gas (or pellet stoves) when temperatures drop below about 25 degrees. Heat pumps are worthless when temperatures drop into the teens.

Given that most winter days are spent below 25 degrees, few people bother with heat pumps.

[Winston in Wonderland]

Where is the electricity for those heating gadgets going to come from?

'Just askin' for a friend.

[Boston Commenter]

The Land of Fruits, Nuts, and Flakes burps up more total nonsense again!

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