Brickbat: A Failure To Communicate

Philadelphia Brewing Company customers will have to wait to sample the company's "Hops from the Hood" pale ale. City workers cut down the brewery's hops garden even though a building inspector had verified it was a garden, not overgrown vegetation. "Regrettably, due to miscommunication and staff error, the hops were removed as they were initially marked as a violation as it appeared the lot was overgrown," said a city spokesperson.

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[Fist of Etiquette]

Philadelphia -

Stop right there.

[mad.casual]

Yeah, I don't think you need much more proof of the fact that the microbrewery phenomenon has blown right past "Let's experiment with a few things." and descended to near-literal "Let's drink piss to see how good it tastes!"

[Brandybuck]

Not piss. Fuck off. It's like the US wine scene. In the 70s it was crap and you shit like Gallo was served at fancy weddings. Then we started beating the pants off of France in the awards department. Today the US wine scene surpasses all other nations, large producers like Gallo being almost unheard of.

Beer has done the same, except it hasn't displaced the TRUE PISS of Budweiser and Coors.

[A Cynical Asshole]

the TRUE PISS of Budweiser and Coors.

This can't be overstated. While some microbrews are shit, Bud and Coors are rat piss. Throw Corona into that category too.

[R Mac]

There’s actually a craft brewery near me that does a Mexican Lager with a hint of lime that’s delicious and refreshing.

[Will Nonya]

While that is all true many of the microbrews fail to rise above that same level of pissness.

Most of them are little more than budweiser with a lethal dose of hops thrown in to raise the pretense level.

[mad.casual]

^This and "We grew the hops out back (in downtown Philly)" should make the above message stand out in neon colors across the label.

[SIV]

Microbrews are just overpriced shitty homebrew. When a microwbrewery is reckless enough to try making a true lager-pilsner it does taste like piss. Coors Heavy in the throwback stubby bottle is one of the best beers, Corona Familiar, Heineken, Stella, Peroni all beat your overhopped brown sludgebrews.

[mad.casual]

Then we started beating the pants off of France in the awards department. Today the US wine scene surpasses all other nations, large producers like Gallo being almost unheard of.

I think you misunderstand me. I'm not lauding Budweiser or Gallo, but the microbrewer growing hops in their compost heap in the back alleys of Philly sound more like the uber-pretentious French sommelier/vintner with 6 vines growing in his back yard that winds up losing to 2 buck chuck.

Beer can absolutely be grown, sourced, and brewed better than it is in St. Louis. The idea that it's all done so within the city limits of Philly is just as, if not more retarded than how it's done in St. Louis.

[Claptrap]

I think the fentanyl runoff from Kensington would add quite nicely to the flavor.

[MoreFreedom]

No doubt the city workers hopped to the job in hope of removing hops. It's their natural response to do less.

They didn't realize they were reducing their beer supply; otherwise, they would have passed on the hops.

[R Mac]

Sounds like the city workers were just bitter.

[sarcasmic]

Hops are climbers. No doubt there was rope or string set up for them to hang on to. So any city worker who chopped them down had to notice that there was stuff set up deliberately for those hops to climb. That means the person who chopped it down was so incredibly stupid that they could read my comments and think I'm a leftist, or they knowingly destroyed what was obviously a garden.

[sarcasmic]

I can't imagine being that stupid and dishonest. If I was I'd probably call myself R Mac or something.

[Brandybuck]

> I can't imagine being that stupid and dishonest.

Government workers. They're not paid to think or question orders. Work order says cut them down so they cut them down. It's the dumb ass official who gave the order who is the true asshole.

[sarcasmic]

He's not a government drone. He's a poo-flinging monkey that gets a dopamine boost when he says childish shit to impress the girls.

[R Mac]

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[sarcasmic]

Keep calling him names and the cool kids might invite you to one of their parties!

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So mature!

[Agammamon]

Who TF would want to eat or drink anything grown inside an east coast city.

Just sounds like a way to get a dose of concentrated carcinogens.

[BestUsedCarSales]

That's just an IPA.

[GroundTruth]

Don't let that little secret get out; if the Prop 65 nuts in Calif. realized what's in beer (or wine, and even more so in distilled drink), they'd have a fit.

[Brandybuck]

Can't be any worse than something grown in a west coast city.

[A Cynical Asshole]

Who TF would want to eat or drink anything grown inside an east coast city.

FTFY.

[GroundTruth]

Actually, there used to be a lot of urban agriculture, but it didn't sit well with big-dairy, big-egg, big-apple, etc. to have people producing quality local products that demonstrated just how crappy the mass produced "in the nice clean countryside" stuff is.

(Note to the home-chicken folks: a rooster is NOT needed to make eggs, and is really bad PR when he starts at first light during the summer.)

[markm23]

There used to be a lot of urban agriculture - back in the days when we didn't worry about heavy metal poisoning from the soil. Short of expensive testing, I'd strongly limit how much stuff grown on urban land I'd consume.

[m40195971]

Philadelphia is not east coast in geography or culture. The only exception is that their ghetto thugs are just like DC and Baltimore thugs: violent, bad aim, entitled pieces of garbage.

[Brandybuck]

Only a city government puke would have seen the poles and trellis wires and thought they were weeds growing wild. Sure hops don't look like flowers or vegetables (or even their cousin mary jane) but they sure as hell do look like they are being grown deliberated. Even when they're allowed to grow decoratively over a trellis, it still looks obvious.

[mad.casual]

I think you're terribly overestimating the botanical knowledge of your average urbanite. I agree that it *should* be obvious but, at the same time, I'm pretty sure I could (e.g.) convince some ethnic Greeks to eat poison ivy by telling them it was wild grape leaves.

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[Hendo]

A lawsuit should result in a pretty easy win under the takings clause, right?

The city has admitted that there was no violation and therefore no reason to cut the plants down; it has admitted that its workers cut down the hops in error "due to miscommunication"; and presumably the brewery has a bunch of records about how much beer they could have made using these hops, and how much of this particular type of beer they have sold in past years.

Should be a slam dunk.

[Hendo]

Although the city will probably argue, even if it loses the cases, that compensation should be limited to the cash value of the hops themselves, rather than the profits the brewery was going to get from making them into beer. I wonder how that sort of calculation works in takings cases?

[mad.casual]

Although the city will probably argue, even if it loses the cases, that compensation should be limited to the cash value of the hops themselves, rather than the profits the brewery was going to get from making them into beer.

I'm not entirely clear on the problem here. The cash value of the crops at the time of destruction or harvest would be at least a rather objective baseline cost, while the price of the beer at sale would be much more speculative. It's not like the brewery couldn't secure more hops someplace else (and reinforce the price of the hops, not the beer, destroyed). Maybe if we were talking about some rare mineral or irreplaceable artifact, but we're talking about hops, now being widely recognized as a cash crop.

[Hendo]

But if you read the original article, linked in the Reason story, you'd see that they can't, in fact, just "secure more hops someplace else" for this particular beer.

The beer that they brew with their own hops is a limited-release pale ale called "Harvest from the Hood," and its appeal is specifically that it's made with the brewery-grown hops. The owner says that not being able to offer that particular beer this year, due to the loss of his homegrown hops, is "going to cost them tens of thousands of dollars in lost revenue."

That's why I said, in my original post, that they could presumably show how much they earned in previous years from the sale of this particular type of beer, and argue that the city had deprived them of this income.

[GroundTruth]

Except for the fact that it's a single year loss on a perennial crop that regrows from the roots. Aside from the moral victory, the brewery should accept an apology from the city, and maybe a little free PR out of situation and cut their losses. The case will cost more than the hops will bring in, unless they've got a massive garden.

[Stuck in California]

This is beyond the Pale.

Whatever, it's Philadelphia. I'm surprised they bothered to clean anything up at all.

[m40195971]

Did anyone read the new text above the end-of-page comment box? They’re bringing an edit function. Finally.

[m40195971]

Ah. Well, it doesn’t work on old browsers. Annoying.

[Liberty Lover]

"They’re bringing an edit function."
From 1998?