The Will to Power Was Front and Center at NatCon III
What differentiates national conservatives from some other right-wing varietals is the desire to use government to destroy their enemies.

"Wokeism is not a fever that will pass but a cancer that must be eradicated," declared a main-stage speaker at the third National Conservatism Conference ("NatCon III") last week. "In this new reality, the only institution with the power to contend with and conquer the woke-industrial complex is the government of the United States."
In the task to identify what distinguishes national conservatism from other right-wing varietals, you could do worse than to start with that quote from activist Rachel Bovard. It shows that this burgeoning political faction has at its heart a fundamentally favorable orientation toward federal power and not a mere revivification of national pride. It also makes it clear that the natcons' purpose in acquiring government power is not merely to prevent its misuse by opposing ideologues; it's to use it affirmatively to destroy opposing ideologues.
Bovard continued:
The institutional left does not intend to leave anything of the old republic behind for us to salvage. Constitutionalism, scientific inquiry, individual liberty, civil society, voluntarism, patriotism, parental authority, free expression, free enterprise, religious pluralism, cultural diversity—they are coming for everything. So national conservatism must come for them. We must forge a comprehensive policy agenda for Congress, the presidency, and the states to break apart the left's every source of funding and power. Not as an act of partisan retaliation but one of national survival. [emphasis added]
The Bovard speech was not a one-off. Many of the most popular speakers at the three-day conference in Miami returned to the same theme. "Imagine how quickly the political landscape would change," said Hillsdale College's David Azerrad, "if we had a core contingent of elected Republicans who were committed to using power to defund and humiliate the institutional centers of power of the left."
It was Azerrad who, in 2020, provided an early articulation of what I've called "Will-to-Power Conservatism": "The right must be comfortable wielding the levers of state power," he wrote, and "using them to reward friends and punish enemies (within the confines of the rule of law)."
That language has become a favorite talking point of Newsweek opinion editor (and fellow NatCon III attendee) Josh Hammer, who has repeatedly adopted it in his own tweets and writings—including a column this year that kicked up a storm online. After critics pointed out that using government to "reward friends and punish enemies" is generally considered to run afoul of the rule of law by definition, Newsweek silently altered the sentence to call instead for "the rewarding of good and the punishing of evil." When that was noticed, Newsweek appended an editor's note to the article defending the change on the grounds that Hammer views the two phrases as "substantively…interchangeable."
But even phrases like "using political power…to reward friends and punish enemies" may seem a bit nebulous. What, concretely, do the natcons propose? The answers are illuminating: In her speech, Bovard explicitly urged conservatives to use the government to break up tech companies, tax the endowments of left-wing universities, impose trade barriers, build a border wall, and increase the size of the child tax credit.
In a "primer" on national conservatism released on the heels of the conference, Hammer called for "a temporary full immigration moratorium" to "drastically reduce legal immigration from its current levels"; for "vigorous antitrust enforcement against, and common carrier regulation for," banks and social media companies that discriminate against conservative viewpoints; and for a national industrial policy.
NatCon speakers also voiced support for laws of a religious nature, including conference organizer Yoram Hazony's insistence on getting God back into our schools—or as Hammer put it in his primer, "the American public square should overtly reflect God and the teachings of the Bible and Scripture."
Such calls to embrace government power were front and center at NatCon III. But there were also many blander academic presentations and even some thoughtful admonitions against conservative overreach, such as Fr. Benedict Kiely's comment that "where nationalism can go wrong…is if the good of one's own nation alone is pursued without regard for the rights of others." One question I had throughout the event was the extent to which the most bombastic voices represented the average natcon sympathizer.
The crowd's ebullient response to Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, though, at least suggests an answer. DeSantis, arguably the frontrunner for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, has been a champion of using the power of the state against individuals and businesses. From his keynote address at the conference:
We were the first state or one of the first to ban so-called vaccine passports, the idea that you have to show proof of a COVID shot to be able to participate in society. And there were some conservatives that said, "Yeah, well, government shouldn't do a vaccine passport, but if a private business wants to do it, what's wrong with that?" Well, I'll tell you what's wrong with that. An individual has a right to participate in society. And we're not just going to sit idly by….
We also were one of the first states to provide protections for all employees in Florida, not just government employees, against employer-imposed COVID shot mandates. Our view is very simple: No Floridian should have to choose between a job that they need and a shot they do not want. And that's the same if you're a police officer at a municipality, if you work for the state government, or if you work for the biggest corporations in the state of Florida.
The idea that the government may stop companies and organizations from setting the terms under which they will do business because other people have "a right to participate in society" is, of course, the same argument that leftists have trotted out to justify crackdowns against Christian wedding vendors that do not wish to participate in gay marriage celebrations and against religious schools that expect job candidates not to openly flout tenets of the faith. Yet conservatives have long argued that private property and free association do, or at the very least should, broadly protect employers' rights.
A free society must respect people's freedoms even when lots of other people dislike how they're used. Fortunately, abiding by that bargain will tend to produce a rich and diverse marketplace where people have the space to experiment with different business practices and consumption decisions.
DeSantis has proven his willingness to wield government power to punish political dissent and pre-empt choices he does not like. Despite that (or perhaps, as I suspect, because of it) NatCon III attendees were in fits of adulation over his speech. The will to power ran deep in Miami.
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>>a fundamentally favorable orientation toward federal power and not a mere revivification of national pride
also easily seen as a reflection of tactics back at the left.
and not condoning it just pointing out is a typical response.
Take the example of leftists taking over one institution after another by discriminating against non leftists. Leftists use our freedom against us to obtain positions in academia for example and then proceed to fire all of the non leftist eventually taking over the institution. There is only two ways to fight that. You can either destroy the institutions entirely after the leftists take over or you can make it illegal to discriminate against someone because of their political views.
Yes, doing that is using federal power. We already use federal power to prohibit discrimination for all kinds of reason. And the Civil Rights Act is not going away. So, I don't see how expanding it to include political affiliation as a protected class makes things any worse. At the same time doing so would enable conservatives and libertarians to prevent leftists from punishing them for their political views.
Slade would never support that. She would instead sit back and allow leftists to take over every institution in the country and in doing so make it impossible for anyone who didn't at least fake allegiance to the leftist cause to have a paying job.
>>I don't see how expanding it to include political affiliation as a protected class makes things any worse.
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Which is a tacit admission that the Left's political and legal tactics are fine. It's only their cultural values and policy goals that are a problem.
Reason is very upset that any conservative dare hit back. Which is the basis for TDS.
Republicans can "hit back" without contributing to a cycle of illiberalism and centralization.
That certainly is preferable.
It's the oldest form of politics. The mainstream Democratic stance has often taken this shape, basically a coalitional force to gain power in exchange for favor.
I do think both Communists, and a lot of Woke folks are not this as they're very moralistic (which is not to say I agree with them or their morals). But, this coalitional structure is the classic stance of machine politics. Tammany Hall is a great example of this. Many big cities today have this structure to some extent or another.
So, I think it's unfair to call it a reflection, but rather a resurgence of an older form of politics in the Republican party.
I hate to inform Stephanie but if you don't have any will to power, you will never get any power and thus never accomplish anything. If you are bothered by having a will to power, then you should avoid politics entirely since politics is essentially just an expression of the will to power.
Slade gives the typical reason answer to the problem of leftism, stick to your principles and let the leftists win. No thanks.
The first quote and her framing is astounding. She's practically saying, "If Bovard's coming after people threatening Constitutionalism, science, individual liberty, etc., then I'm in trouble!"
I also love the pic of Desantis in an article about scare quotes from (checks notes) Rachel Bovard
It would be nice if she bothered to notice the Democrats declaring nearly half the country to be "threats to Democracy" and effectively enemies of the state. Why talk about that when you can talk about the evil Republicans wanting to keep tax money from going to fund leftist politics?
Obviously it's because she sees only conservatives as a problem and the leftist abuses are all fine by her.
...if you don't have any will to power, you will never get any power and thus never accomplish anything.
Pretty much describes libertarianism in a nutshell, doesn't it?
Pretty much.
Hey, the lazy pot smoker is just a myth. Or so I am told.
Don't forget to mention Reason in your will, as the money will empower them to confront the Nation editors already benefitting from the magazine running a century of " Don't Forget To Mention The Nation In Your Will " ads, which have powered a lot of will to power screeds.
IOW, conservatives should abandon their principles, or divorce political means from political ends.
It seems to me there are more options than just bending over and taking it, or bending them over and giving it to your opponents good and hard.
IOW, conservatives should abandon their principles, or divorce political means from political ends.
Well, given how nakedly Libertarianism Inc has done just that, why shouldn't they? I mean, the small government principle is even more central to libertarianism than conservatism. Yet, Libertarianism seems to have been making its peace with that. The presumption of innocence seems like a pretty libertarian principle. Libertarianism was pretty quick to throw that one overboard when the target was Donald Trump.
It seems kind of silly to bash conservatism for insufficient fidelity to libertarian principles when libertarianism isn't being all that loyal to them.
Many libertarians were/are critical or overcritical of Donald Trump, therefore no libertarian is in a position to criticize the new national conservatives for abandoning classical liberal and decentralist principles? How does that follow?
It's not a question of being critical. It's throwing libertarian principle overboard in the process. Classical liberal and decentralist principles are more central to libertarianism than conservatism. So, if anyone has a particular duty to uphold them, it's libertarians. And on that ground, libertarians failed. They rallied to the national security establishment. They played fast and loose with due process and the presumption of innocence. They trashed libertarians who actually were arguing for libertarian positions (see the Mises Caucus). Sorry, but that spends their credibility.
The Mises Caucus got "trashed" for being more anarcho-paleoconservative than libertarian and for trying to build a base with right-wing populists and quasi-fascistic nationalists over their fellow libertarians, whom they despise, not for being "too libertarian." The Radical Caucus never faced that level of opposition.
The institutional left does not intend to leave anything of the old republic behind for us to salvage. Constitutionalism, scientific inquiry, individual liberty, civil society, voluntarism, patriotism, parental authority, free expression, free enterprise, religious pluralism, cultural diversity—they are coming for everything. So national conservatism must come for them. We must forge a comprehensive policy agenda for Congress, the presidency, and the states to break apart the left's every source of funding and power. Not as an act of partisan retaliation but one of national survival. [emphasis added]
Uh... so you've got a problem with the defense of Constitutionalism, scientific inquiry, individual liberty, civil society, voluntarism, patriotism, parental authority, free expression, free enterprise, religious pluralism, cultural diversity?
She doesn't have a problem with any of that. Stephanie is just unwilling to do anything to defend it. It is a shame the left is going to destroy all of that stuff but watching it all burn is preferable in her mind to getting your hands dirty and trying to prevent that.
It would be nice if she simply turned on MSNBC and paid attention to what “mainstream” journalists and elected Democrats say should be done with 45% of their fellow countrymen
"Stephanie is just unwilling to do anything to defend it."
NatCons aren't proposing a defensive strategy. They're proposing an aggressive offensive strategy. Sometimes the best defense is a good offense, but in their case, the strategy is more centralizing, authoritarian cringe.
And, to borrow Dave Smith's analogy, Natcons are criticizing people for not helping them fight the fire with gasoline.
Any new powers conservatives gain will be wielded against us soon enough. It keeps happening over and over again.
Much better to run into the fire and do a die in.
The only way the vicious cycle doesn't continue and keep getting worse for all factions is if the national conservatives use the strategy far more aggressively and effectively than progressives have and succeed at vanquishing their opponents for good, with American society's general approval. It isn't likely to happen.
And, to borrow Dave Smith's analogy, Natcons are criticizing people for not helping them fight the fire with gasoline.
Got a quote of Dave Smith saying this? The analogy isn't new and, per Slade's article, inapt.
Their opposition strives to literally burn institutions down and literally tears the statues down. The only person to use the word 'destroy' in the article above is Slade. Even at that, granting Stephanie "I'm a retard" Slade, more credit than is due, The Natcons may want to purge their opposition, but they explicitly want to use sarin or gamma-radiation or whatever and explicitly leave the structures and institutions in tact and usable.
This 'bowf sides' prognostication is beginning to sound like lefty, brown-shirt, infiltration psy-op. The Jews are, after the Beer Hall Putsch saying literally, "We need to take back the social institutions from the people overtly trying to destroy them and burn them to the ground." and you dumb fucks are standing around going, "See?! The Jews are just as bad!"
"Got a quote of Dave Smith saying this?"
No. It was on the Sep 15 Part of the Problem, at the 42 minute mark.
Do you realize you just said my analogy was inapt and then went full Godwin in your analogy, right?
Even setting aside your defense of the indefensible,
It also makes it clear that the natcons' purpose in acquiring government power is not merely to prevent its misuse by opposing ideologues; it's to use it affirmatively to destroy opposing ideologues.
The quote, even the part you highlighted, doesn't even make anything close to the assertions you indicated. It's not just a defense of the indefensible, it's an insane defense of the indefensible.
The purpose of acquiring government power is to use that power to promote and protect the institutions and ideals that you support. Somehow Stephanie finds this fact to be shocking. Conservatives are not supposed to fight back. How dare they.
I am increasingly convinced you have to fail some kind of IQ test to get hired at reason.
I am increasingly convinced you have to fail some kind of IQ test to get hired at reason.
^This. You either fail outright or are allowed to ask the question, "I get paid whether I fail or not, right?"
Slade might be the most socially conservative Reason staff writer. Somehow I doubt she wants the cultural Left to get whatever they want without a fight.
Since she is not willing to do anything to stop it, her actions tell you what she actually believes. You only doubt it because you are lying.
Lying about what? Is that you're go-to comeback, no matter who it is you're talking to or what it's about?
your*
Somehow I doubt she wants the cultural Left to get whatever they want without a fight.
She's worried that people saying "We'll have to go to them." are doing too much.
libertarians Against the Defunding of the Taxpayer Supported Institutional Left
Now I’ve heard everything
The Biden DOJ has been weaponised against his political opposition. Academia has been weaponised against dissenting points of view and scientific inquiry. Social media openly colludes with the Biden administration to censor the government's critics. Why the fuck does Reason think I should pay my own oppressors?
I don't where anything the NatCons are proposing would defend any of those ideals.
"What differentiates national conservatives from some other right-wing varietals is the desire to use government to destroy their enemies."
Correction: What differentiates Americans who support our Constitution and Republic from Democrats and their left wing media propagandists is the latter's desire to use government to destroy their enemies.
Member all the Leftists that Trump rounded up and put in detention? All the phones he seized? All the people he had private business boycott and deplatform?
What part of "literally Hitler" did you not understand? /sarc
What differentiates national conservatives from some other right-wing varietals is the desire to use government to destroy their enemies.
"Varietals"? Are those genitals of the Intersexed? 😉
"What differentiates national conservatives from some other right-wing varietals is the desire to use government to destroy their enemies."
So they're finally standing up to the Dems and using their tactics?
Standing up to the Dems doesn't necessitate using their own tactics without regard for ethical principles. "Reverse authoritarianism" is still authoritarianism.
What a pathetic cuck.
Sometimes you have to fight dirty. It reminds me of when I had a dispute with someone who broke a verbal agreement with me. Not only did they not do what they promised, but they were trying to steal from me too. So I didn’t keep my end. They actually had the balls to call me out for that.
This isn’t much different. The democrats have been dirty lying shitweasels for decades. Now they whine and cry when republicans dare hit back.
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I'd prefer to see conservatism going in a more libertarian direction. The thing is, I really can't blame them for seeing libertarianism as a dead-end for their goals and a Trojan Horse for their enemies. Libertarianism had its opportunity to make inroads with conservatives. That was that "libertarian moment" a couple of the writers here were trumpeting a couple of years ago. But, rather than seeing libertarian leadership stick up, not for their principles, but libertarianism's own principles, in their defense, conservatives saw that leadership make every effort to kowtow to the left in the name of "liberaltarianism" or "bleeding heart libertarianism" or "thick libertarianism" or "libertarian pragmatism". Hell, this very website was declaring cosmopolitanism the "essence of libertarianism".
Libertarians didn't want to go to the prom with the conservatives who invited them. They should hardly be surprised when conservatives decide to go with someone else.
They should hardly be surprised when conservatives decide to go with someone else.
Imagine watching the 1976 version of the movie Carrie and thinking, "It was all Conservatives' fault!"
Bovard explicitly urged conservatives to use the government to break up tech companies, tax the endowments of left-wing universities, impose trade barriers, build a border wall, and increase the size of the child tax credit.
and
conference organizer Yoram Hazony's insistence on getting God back into our schools—or as Hammer put it in his primer, "the American public square should overtly reflect God and the teachings of the Bible and Scripture."
This is pure fascism.
Sure, it is not the maniacal Nazi type laced with genocide but it is definitely what Sleepy Joe called semi-fascism at the very least.
It is a Christian Nationalist provincial kill-off-liberal-democracy Orban, Blood & Soil, and Crush Dissent form of fascism.
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Um, helloooooooo? There is no inflation! Who do they think they're fooling with this wingnut nonsense?
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This is pure fascism.
No its not. I know you are retarded and all but fascism is anti religion. Also, the country is becoming more Catholic and more Muslim because of immigration. Atheist white people like you are going to have to understand that you don't own the culture anymore. Sorry but your white privilege card is in the process of being revoked. Get over it.
Take your racist, white supremacist garbage elsewhere. It is a new country. It is a country that is browner and more religious than the old one.
You are truly an uninformed idiot. Fascism relies on Religious/Etnic Identity to appeal to the masses and "otherize" minorities and Jews.
Despite claiming to be an atheist in his youth Mussolini went full NatCon:
But after taking power, Il Duce began working to patch up that relationship. He outlawed freemasonry, exempted the clergy from taxation, cracked down on artificial contraception, campaigned for an increased birth rate, raised penalties for abortion, restricted nightlife, regulated women’s clothing and banned homosexual acts among adult men. Despite having many mistresses himself, he also put in place harsh punishments for adultery. In 1929 Mussolini signed an agreement with the Vatican under which the Church received authority over marriage and was compensated for property that had been seized decades earlier. Pope Pius XI afterwards referred to Mussolini as the “man whom providence has sent us.” Nonetheless, tensions between the two eventually resurfaced over such things as Mussolini’s racial laws, where were similar to those in Nazi Germany.
Like Trump and other NatCons religion is considered politically useful for power politics.
https://www.history.com/news/9-things-you-may-not-know-about-mussolini#:~:text=6.,an%20anti%2Dclerical%20pulp%20novel.
Mussolini is one of many fascists. Everywhere else, fascism sought to destroy and coopt religion into the state religion. Indeed, all Mussolini did here was attempt to co-opt religion and make it fascist. You know like modern leftist fascists in the US have done with the mainline Protestant Churches.
Take your racist bullshit and shove it up your ass shreek. You are just an angry old, racist white guy.
You're too stupid to remember this but I call out Islamo-Fascism as the most vile of all ideologies. Sam Harris calls Islam the "Mother Lode of Bad Ideas".
You conservatives have a lot in common with Islamo-Fascists in your contempt of women, gays, contraception/abortion, and religious tolerance.
Of OCURSE - Fascist strongmen don't think this ideology applies to themself. Trump, Hitler, Orban, Mussolini - they are not "real" Christians. They just pretend to be for political gain.
This essay if right on.
You are a NatCon. Wear the label.
You're too stupid to remember this but I call out Islamo-Fascism as the most vile of all ideologies.
Which is embraced and excused by the Left all over the world. Islamic parties are not aligning themselves with the right. They align themselves with the left, because the left is their natural allies. "Islamofascism" as you ignorantly call it, is nothing but the ideas of world revolution given to the Arabs by the USSR and infused with Islamic ideas. It is a leftist ideology and is allied with the political left everywhere it exists.
The main source of Islamic radicalism in the world today is Iran. And who are Iran's greatest friends and allies? Barrack Obama and Joe Biden. It isn't Donald Trump who gave billions of dollars in cash to the Iranian Mullahs and who is as we speak arranging to give them even more. It is the American left.
You are an idiot Shreek. You are just dumb as a post.
No one "gave" Iran billions of dollars, you moron. We unfroze their own accounts in order to facilitate the removal of nuclear centrifuges.
That is the typical wingnut lie.
And I am not a "leftist". I would vote for Mitt Romney over Bernie Sanders.
I just won't vote for a fascist election denier like Fatass Donnie.
No one "gave" Iran billions of dollars, you moron. We unfroze their own accounts in order to facilitate the removal of nuclear centrifuges.
They gave it to them in untracable cash. And they didn't remove nor where they required to remove a single centerfuge. Stop fucking lying.
You are a leftist piece of shit. And when you are told to support radical Islamists, you will do so. Just like you are lying now and pretending it was okay to give Iran billions of dollars in cash.
You are a fucking piece of garbage. You are nothing but a leftist stooge and a troll.
A whole pallet of cash that Obama was trying to keep secret.
No one "gave" Iran billions of dollars, you moron. We unfroze their own accounts in order to facilitate the removal of nuclear centrifuges.
That is the typical wingnut lie.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Man, gaslighting right out in the open like that takes jumbo-sized balls. Balls almost as big as the cargo plane that delivered pallets of CASH to Iran courtesy of Obama.
https://www.cnn.com/2016/08/03/politics/us-sends-plane-iran-400-million-cash/index.html
Even CNN had to admit it. My favorite quote is still:
Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, when asked about the payment by a local Denver, Colorado, television station, said it was “old news.”
from your link:
The $400 million was Iran’s to start with, placed into a US-based trust fund to support American military equipment purchases in the 1970s. When the Shah was ousted by a 1979 popular uprising that led to the creation of the Islamic Republic, the US froze the trust fund. Iran has been fighting for a return of the funds through international courts since 1981.
It was THEIR money, dumbfuck.
No one "gave" them a dime.
No, it isn’t. ‘Their money”. It was never the Iranian regime’s money to begin with. It belonged to people they chased out, killed, or have oppressed. You islamofascist symp.
Make those gaslights flicker! You are still lying.
Obama delivered them pallets of cash. Cash that was supposed to have already been spent. Cash that Obama obtained from tax revenues. And it was a lot more than a dime!
Doink!
Hey Kiddie Raper, nor response? How expected.
Ackshuyally,.although the Soviets and Putineers make common cause with Islamists, Islam was a conqueror religion long before Marxism or The Soviet Union came on the scene. Al-Qu'ran is replete with verses to show this:
Sura 2:193, Sura 8:39 ...Fight until all religion is for Allah.
Sura 9:33, Sura 61:9 He it is (Allah) Who hath sent His messenger (Mohammad) with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the idolaters may be averse.
And Islamofascism isn't just a hackneyed term but has basis in historical fact. Mussolini in The Abyssinian War sent his men along with black-shirted Somali Muslims to attack what is now called Ethiopia.
In The Spanish Civil War, Francisco Franco's Fascists were aided by Muslim mercenaries from Morocco.
Although neutral in World War II. Franco sent special Moroccan Muslim units to fight the Soviets on the Western Front. Russians reported beheadings and amputations of thumbs, hands and feet consistent with the methods of Jihad.
And Adolf Hitler had Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels hire the Islamic Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Hajj Amin Al-Husseini to make broadcasts to the Islamic world inciting them to attack the Jews in Muslim lands and join Hitler's SS.
Hitler also gave Islam a friendly tip of the hat, saying that Islam would have made a great religion for German conquerors if Christianity didn't get dibs first.
Even today, the Far-Right Alternatifs Fur Deutschland has high-ranking membership that converted to Islam.
Nota Bene:. All of this is meant to correct error on Islam and it's relation to Fascism, Nazism, and Communism. None of this is meant to side with Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2 or any of it'sequally creepy sockpuppets.
You never call out Islamo fascism. You just pretend to as a way to make various stupid points about the right. If you had a problem with radical Islam, you would have a problem with Obama and now Biden doing so much to support and advance it. You love radical Islam. You agree with it on nearly everything. All leftists do.
You love radical Islam
I'm an atheist, you moron. I hate all religion and Islam is the worst.
You, however, worship the same Gawd they do - the Abrahamic one all monotheism springs from. Get on your knees, servant.
Yeah, you hate Islamo fascism, you just support every party that supports them and think it was great that Obama gave them a few hundred billion dollars and are willing to lie to justify it.
You are not even an atheist. You are not smart enough to be called an atheist. Is my dog an atheist? You lack the basic intelligence necessary to even reject God. You are just a piece of shit who mouths whatever he is told to mouth.
you just support every party that supports them and think it was great that Obama
Obama killed the worst Islamists, you moron.
Lies. You are reduced to lies.
One year he is the droning murderer of Middle Eastern people and later he is a radical Islamist.
You're a fucking liar and idiot.
In any interaction with Islamic groups and counties, Obama consistory sided with the more radical and dangerous side. You can see this in places like Egypt with the ‘Arab spring’. This is common amongst you leftists. And why shouldn’t you like radical Islam? They like fucking little boys just like you.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, a TDS-addled steaming pile of lefty shit and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
"Sam Harris calls Islam the "Mother Lode of Bad Ideas"."
Sam Harris is also comfortable with doing away with democracy rather than allowing people he disagrees with to win.
So, he's a Fascist. Just sayin'.
Quit lying. All you Republicans do is lie.
Harris said NOT publishing the Hunter Biden laptop story was justified because of the singular awfulness of the Trump administration.
"Doing away with democracy"?
"Banned all oil drilling"?
"Gave Iran billions"?
"Open Borders"?
all lies
And yet, they aren't lies.
Simply because you don't want to accept reality, doesn't mean reality doesn't exist.
So, again, I was correct. You could've said that in few fewer words. You should be mindful of that because your desire to post kiddie porn is probably hard to control at all times.
He likes to share his enthusiasms with us.
Despite claiming to be an atheist in his youth Mussolini went full NatCon
Who do you think that you're tricking?
Because he was an atheist in his youth Mussolini went full socialist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini#Political_journalist,_intellectual_and_socialist
As a young man:
•Mussolini was the secretary of the socialist labor party in Trento, and edited its socialist newspaper 'L'Avvenire del Lavoratore' (The Future of the Worker).
•In Forlì he edited the weekly socialist paper 'Lotta di classe' (The Class Struggle).
•He then published "Il Trentino veduto da un Socialista" (Italian: "Trentino as seen by a Socialist") in the radical socialist periodical La Voce.
•In September 1911, Mussolini participated in a riot, led by socialists, against the Italian war in Libya. He bitterly denounced Italy's "imperialist war", an action that earned him a five-month jail term.
•After his release, he helped expel Ivanoe Bonomi and Leonida Bissolati from the Socialist Party, as they were two "revisionists" who had supported the war.
•He then the edited the Socialist Party newspaper Avanti! Under his leadership, its circulation soon rose from 20,000 to 100,000.
Mussolini often used the pen name "Vero Eretico" ("sincere heretic").
•Mussolini claimed to be a follower of Nietzsche's anti-Christian ideas and negation of God's existence.
•Mussolini formed the interventionist newspaper "Il Popolo d'Italia" to convince socialists and revolutionaries to support the Libya war.
•Mussolini said that science had proven there was no god, and that the historical Jesus was ignorant and mad. He considered religion a disease of the psyche, and accused Christianity of promoting resignation and cowardice. Several times tried to shock an audience by calling on God to try and strike him dead.
•Mussolini made vitriolic attacks against Christianity and the Catholic Church, which he accompanied with provocative remarks about the consecrated host, and about a love affair between Christ and Mary Magdalene.
•He denounced socialists who were tolerant of religion, or who had their children baptized, and called for socialists who accepted religious marriage to be expelled from the party.
•He denounced the Catholic Church for "its authoritarianism and refusal to allow freedom of thought ..."
•Mussolini's newspaper, La Lotta di Classe, had an anti-Christian editorial stance.
Vatican City is surrounded by Italy. If Mussolini hated Christianity and Catholicism in particular as much as you say and didn't see it as useful for his power, Mussolini could have sent his traffic patrol and night watchmen detail to swarm Vatican City, bump off the Swiss Guard and the Pope, arrest all the Priests, Abbots, Monks, and Nuns, and shut it all down in 15 minutes, with worldwide wealth to spare as loot to boot!
You're reaching here...
Ackshuyally, 30 percent of people in this nation answer "None" on questions of religious affiliation. While that doesn't necessarily mean they identify as Atheist, it does mean that religions, including Catholicism and Islam, have less market share than you suppose.
And Islam is simultaneously the fastest growing and fastest shrinking religion. New converts to Islam--after seeing all the control over their lives Islam involves, and after reading all the horrors and atrocities in Al-Qu'ran, Al-Haddith, and Al-Sunnah --tend to slowly and quietly back away after around 3 years.
And, finally, Atheists are not confined to any nationality, "race," ethnicity, gender, sex, sexuality, age, political view, or previous (if any) religious affiliation. The only thing that unites Atheists is lack of belief in God or Gods.
This is pure fascism.
No, this is pure fascism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirchenkampf
The Nazis held your religious views, Shrike, not Hazony's.
“Today Christians … stand at the head of [Germany]. I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity … We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit … We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theatre and in the press. In short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture, as a result of liberal excess.”
Adolf Hitler.
Sounds just like a NatCon. Like yourself.
If you understood anything, you would know that Hitler made Christianity into a tool of fascism. If you knew that, you would get a hard on because that is what Democrats have been doing in this country for a hundred years.
Old, ignorant, racist, white guy continues not understand the world around him. Go figure.
I just wrote this in a reply to you:
Like Trump and other NatCons religion is considered politically useful for power politics.
Fundie Nuts make up about 70% of conservative voters. So a fascist leader needs to appeal to their anti-liberal worldview. As a skilled Con Man Trump knows this.
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca
Greatest political quote ever.
Now do Senator Warnock you fucking moron.
Leftist control every mainline religious institutions in this country. Evangelicals are outcasts. The big churches are all run by leftists and are used as tools to further leftist politics. Leftists are just like their fascist cousins and have co-opted the churches and religion in this country for their sick political ends.
You're full of the Trump Cult GOP bullshit on every topic.
Evangelicals are the strongest voting bloc in the country and they all climbed over each other one to suck Trump's rancid cock like you do.
"In Hitler's eyes, Christianity was a religion fit only for slaves; he detested its ethics in particular. Its teaching, he declared, was a rebellion against the natural law of selection by struggle and the survival of the fittest" - Alan Bullock
In Mein Kampf, Philosophy and Organization, Hitler denounces Christianity as a "spiritual terror" that spread into the Ancient world.
Hitler stated that "one is either a Christian or a German – to be both was impossible."
Then you deliberately ignored all this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirchenkampf#Nazi_persecution_of_the_Christian_churches
Hitler wanted slaves and got them in big doses from both Catholic and Protestant Churches who supported his Positive Christianity too.
Both Hitler and Alan Bullock were full of Bollocks because neither understood what Evolution or Natural Selection were. Also, Hitler didn't even support Evolution and strongly suggested belief in Intelligent Design. He said:
A Volkisch state must therefore begin by raising marriage from the level of a continuous defilement of the race, and give it the consecration of an institution which is called upon to produce images of the Lord and not monstrosities halfway between man and ape. (Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 2)
For more interesting Hitler quotes, I refer you here:
Adolf Hitler Quotes on Tradition and Needing Moral Values
If Hitler wasn't Christian, why did he defend traditional Christian values?
https://www.learnreligions.com/adolf-hitler-on-tradition-hitler-quotes-248192
Anyone who isn’t an anti Christian atheist is a ‘fundie nut’ to you. I’m agnostic, so that probably means I’m a ‘fundie nut’ too.
The bottom line is that you’re a bigoted child molesting leftist. You hate Christianity, because despite the failings of individual Christians, they have a rigid morality that is in contradiction to your leftist beliefs. Christianity also makes it more difficult for you to fuck children.
If Christianity or any Abrahamic religion forbade rape or child molestation, don't you think that these would have been listed in Moses' Top Ten No-Nos or in Jesus' Sermon On The Mount or in a Hadith passage that says Mohammed did not lust for 6-year old Aisha and marry her at age 9?
No, you're not a "Fundie Nut" for being Agnostic, but you simply don't know which side your bread is buttered on when it comes to religion.
No, I’m pretty clear on the situation. And it isn’t Christians pushing to call pedophiles like Buttplug ‘minor attracted persons’. It’s the atheist Marxists.
Hitler made Christianity into a tool of fascism
Which is totally different than Republicans making Christianity into a tool of fascism.
Yeah, it is the Republicans who control all of the mainline Protestant Churches. Right Jeff? The Democrats haven't had straight up ordained ministers serving in the Senate like today or anything have they?
That is different. sometimes I think it must be terrible to be as stupid and bigoted as you are. But then I remember that you are so ignorant that it doesn't bother you. You have no idea how awful you are.
Ha! I missed that lay-up.
I'm slipping.
You didn't miss anything. You are a fucking moron who is so stupid you think you can lie and pretend leftists don't run most Christian Churches in this country.
You and Jeff really need to do humanity a favor and die. You are both worthless human beings. You don't even qualify as human at this point.
It wasn't a lay up.
Hitler didn't make Christianity into a tool of fascism. Briggs misspoke.
Hitler explicitly tried to destroy it.
Mainstream Christian publications were censored or banned, services and functions were restricted or banned, holidays like Christmas and Easter were banned and replaced with Germanic pagan celebrations like Yule.
There's not a lick of difference between you, Jeff and the Nazi's religious views. This isn't hyperbole, it's self evident.
Hitler was Catholic and never denounced the Church, nor did the Church excommunicate him, but celebrated his birthday every April 20th until his last bullet-eating year.
Start again.
See the Hitler quotes above.
Stop while you're behind. No only do have no case, but you're making Buttplug seem credible.
Yeah Jeff you are all about fighting fascism. That is why you are all over the compulsory DEI threat right? You object to that. Sure you do. You think it is great and will literally support and excuse anything provided a Democrat does it. Lying shill, piece of shit. That is what you are Jeff.
If Hitler made religion a tool of Nazism, that means he wasn't anti-religion or anti-Christian in particular. Duh?
I always love this logic from the left. There are Christians out there who want other people to be Christians. FACISM!!!
Yet, even throughout the 80s, I wasn't remotely scared of the Christian right. They were never a meaningful threat to the country and never will be.
The boogeyman that the left created of the Christian right is astonishing, especially in light of the fact that the left, and not Christian conservatives, control the government, education and academia, entertainment, media, and the social square.
Constantly claiming an enemy who has no power is a danger to the establishment with all the power in order to gain more power for the establishment and justify questionable actions is what fascism and totalitarianism is built on. The irony that you don't see that is what's highly concerning.
It was Azerrad who, in 2020, provided an early articulation of what I've called "Will-to-Power Conservatism"
It's always phony Nazi allusions. Never mind that American (and Canadian) nationalism is based on community rather than race like Europe's.
Pretty slimey, Stephanie, tbqh.
Naziism is an extreme form of conservatism.
"Will-to-Power Conservatism" is appropriate.
Only if you have almost no understanding of historical and modern political movements and ideologies.
Nazism was radical atheist and neo-pagan socialism. There was absolutely nothing conservative about it.
I know that you know this, but hey, you and Jeffy are paid to lie.
Nazism was not Atheist and Atheism is not Paganism or any kind of "Nature Worship" either.
"We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations; we have stamped it out."
Adolf Hitler
Adolf Hitler (1942). The Speeches of Adolf Hitler: April 1922-August 1939
Not even close Kiddie Raper.
Yes; some Republicans are Power-Mad.
Yes; ALL Democrats are Power-Mad.
for "vigorous antitrust enforcement against, and common carrier regulation for," banks and social media companies that discriminate against conservative viewpoints; and for a national industrial policy." <-------- RIGHT THERE; National Industrial Policy!!
Gov-Guns should be used to save the USA per the U.S. Constitution. It shouldn't be used to Nazify (National Socialism) to one's "viewpoint". The federal Government was never meant to setup "industrial policy". It's a violation of the USA and no matter what *intent* they throw out it'll end badly. We've seen this time and time and time again. Leftards will grab that power and take it to the extreme just as soon as they have majority. MORE "Industry Policy" is not the answer. Cutting *ALL* leftard crony socialism is.
"We must forge a comprehensive policy agenda for Congress, the presidency, and the states to break apart the left's every source of funding and power. Not as an act of partisan retaliation but one of national survival."
Exactly that is all that needs to be done... Break-apart the Nazi-Empire. Ensure Individual Liberty and Justice for all. Building Industrial Policy is ***NOT*** breaking-apart lefts crony socialism. Destroying Industrial policy *IS*; as well as re-instating the U.S. Constitution; the very definition of the USA. (survival).
or simply put -- The only way to "save" the USA is to OBEY/ENFORCE the U.S. Constitution ( The people's **LAW** over their government. ) as every general common-sense person would read it and not as some propaganda biased indoctrinated commie-educated manipulative professional leftard-bureaucrat would.
A Power-Mad Government (National Socialism) is what is conquering the USA. More Power-Mad Government won't fix the ROOT of the problem. Dismantling the Power-Mad Government will.
Individual LIBERTY and JUSTICE for all................................
Should be the main focus of Gov-Guns in order to save the USA.
Yes; some Republicans are Power-Mad.
Yes; ALL Democrats are Power-Mad.
A commonality among political teams is the heartfelt belief that "we" have good intentions while "they" have bad intentions.
So I'm sure that the other team says the exact same thing about you because they think it is true.
Which party champions [WE] mobs RULE! ideology again?
Your viewpoint is skewed by your very lack of acknowledgement of Individualism.
A common trait of the [WE] mobs RULE (democratic) party.
Your viewpoint is skewed by your very lack of acknowledgement of Individualism.
There is no I in TEAM.
Both ideologies like mob rule. So long as they are the mob.
Some truth to that; but one mobs entire platform is based on it. The other isn't.
That's true. The left has no use for individuals. Though the right has increasingly become more interested in conformity. Especially since they've adopted the policy of "If the other team does it, we're going to do it too. Can't battle with one hand tied behind your back." which amounts to giving up the moral high ground and becoming another pig in the muck.
+100000000... Well stated.
"giving up the moral high ground and becoming another pig in the muck".. Republicans have a skimmer of hope but should be very cautious of what you just stated. Who will honor their sworn oath of office and honor the U.S. Constitution (The peoples law over them)?
This is the most important reality that so, so many people fail to grasp.
"A free society must respect people's freedoms even when lots of other people dislike how they're used. Fortunately, abiding by that bargain will tend to produce a rich and diverse marketplace where people have the space to experiment with different business practices and consumption decisions. "
Well it was nice to see at least a fig leaf held out towards libertarianism in an article that clearly demonstrates the "will to power" the author was hypocritically ranting about for the majority of words. If libertarian candidates aren't willing to break apart the disgustingly corrupt federal funding systems that the Republican oligarchs wish to turn towards their advantage and the advantage of their constituents as the left has so effectively done now, then how is this whole concept of "will to power" not inclusive of libertarians as well? Oh I see, because the author must think the status quo is totally fine, since leaving the status quo perfectly intact is the only way to not have the "will to power". Thank goodness the Mises Caucus isn't taken up with the ideology of the writers at reason.
If libertarian candidates aren't willing to break apart the disgustingly corrupt federal funding systems that the Republican oligarchs wish to turn towards their advantage and the advantage of their constituents as the left has so effectively done now, then how is this whole concept of "will to power" not inclusive of libertarians as well?
That is the thing; if you really want things to change and for there to be small government, you have to be a subversive. The establishment and all of the powers that be support big government. To want small government is to nessarily be a subversive.
Slade, like every other reason writer, loves the status quo and wants desperately to be a part of the establishment. So, the last thing she or anyone else at reason is going to be is subversive.
You have hit on why reason and its staff are utterly worthless to the cause of small government.
Slade, like every other reason writer, loves the status quo and wants desperately to be a part of the establishment. So, the last thing she or anyone else at reason is going to be is subversive.
It's easy to adopt a pose as a cynic, but in reality nearly everyone that gripes about "both sides" still believes that the system works and can be reformed by taking what everyone says at face value. The rise of Trumpism is a specific correlated response to the rise of neo-marxism as the core of Democratic policies and cultural institutions, and what neo-marxists have demonstrated over the decades is that nothing they argue can be taken at face value.
what neo-marxists have demonstrated over the decades is that nothing they argue can be taken at face value.
Exactly that. Everything they say is not just a lie but the opposite of the truth. As annoying as the resident leftist trolls on this board are, they are instructive in that they show the level of depravity and mendacity that the left exists. The things that Shreek and Jeff and Kirkland and the rest of them post can best be described as demonic.
I agree, it's not that everything they say is a lie or truth, it's that they don't value one over the other, they only value power.
Also, the only thing an article like this demonstrates is that the political realignment of the country continues apace. The "liberal"/"conservative" dichotomy as we knew it from about the Great Depression onwards is effectively dead--ironically killed by the very people who were/are enthusiastically attempting to establish a world government that will treat Harrison Bergeron as a policy manual--and going forward it's going to be nationalists versus globalists.
Can't it be individualists versus collectivists? There isn't anything saying that the human race *must* exist as nations or any other form of government, it's just that those forms of government arose naturally over time as human philosophy and material technology advanced over time. I like to believe that individualism has been winning out, but that individuals taken up with obsessions of power and control use collectivist arguments at every turn in history to attempt to gain what they value (power and control). The thing that worries me is how many individuals in American society have been swayed by progressive collectivist arguments. I don't deny that at our current historical context nations appear to be the best means to secure individual rights, but looking at federated systems like the EU, USA and Canada as examples, I have started to think it's time for a revolution of power to individual states acting as nations rather than federated institutions of collectivism. Not to say that if we reduced the power of the US government federally drastically (by somehow convincing the majority of people to vote libertarian) I would completely reject it, but it worries me how much it has managed to insinuate itself into individuals and states rights.
Can't it be individualists versus collectivists?
That would be nice, but it's not what's happening. Individualists will get steamrolled by collectivists every single time.
There isn't anything saying that the human race *must* exist as nations or any other form of government, it's just that those forms of government arose naturally over time as human philosophy and material technology advanced over time.
It's not a question of *must*--as you admitted, it's what happens organically. Every complex society is going to try and figure out ways to manage itself. Eventually, the complexity gets to be too much and that society breaks down, either through internal ennui and friction, or outside forces that are more dynamic and aggressive. That's why all empires eventually fall.
The thing that worries me is how many individuals in American society have been swayed by progressive collectivist arguments.
Because in an existential conflict, which we're in right now no matter how much want to deny it, survival is based on community and collective action. No society of consequence was ever individually based, not even the Greeks. When the shit hits the fan, it's either close ranks or get picked off one by one.
Thanks for your response.
"It's easy to adopt a pose as a cynic, but in reality nearly everyone that gripes about "both sides" still believes that the system works and can be reformed by taking what everyone says at face value."
I find that most people who engage in both sidesism aren't tempted mainly by cynicism, but sadly have given into existential apathy. Hence why instead of the majority of voters (who don't vote and this show a rejection of both sides) voting for any of the radically cynical third parties that would raze the political system, they instead embrace a view of apathy and powerlessness. I also find that the reason most people choose to opt for voting and reform is that modernity and it's high standard of living even for the "poor" (certainly not by historical standards!) Acts as a moderating force and precludes revolution. I think that the 2020 election was obviously not conducted ethically, and that if our society and culture was generally taken with the notions of liberty that it had at and near it's founding, the establishments of political power would have faced a much harsher reaction than a riot at the Capitol that went away after one day. But back to my points of general apathy and moderation earlier to explain that.
You're a Big Government Trump Republican. You would never support classical liberal small government.
You are a fascist, racist moron who does nothing but post incoherent leftist talking points. You are the dumbest person on the internet.
If being for small government means tolerating pedophiles like you, then that's hardly a point in its favor.
You are a troll.
"You have hit on why reason and its staff are utterly worthless to the cause of small government."
Well it's weird to me that she even had the paragraph about a free society in there, it shows she might have some subversion in her somewhere, but also that with all the rest of the article she wrote that she hasn't thought out just how radically changed society would be if the culture was convinced to adopt libertarian principles. Hence why I called her ranting about the "natcons" hypocritical. Bill Dalasio makes good points as well about how if you want the administrative state to be dismantled to a very large degree from what it is, which seems like a fine libertarian position to me, then you will need what Slade seems to perceive and label a morally bad thing which is "the will to power". In an earlier thread I said that the writers at reason need to study the actual philosophical arguments that gave rise to governments dedicated to liberty and this article is another great example of how the staff at this magazine have misunderstandings about how governments and societies based around individual liberty ever came about in the first place. Not just the historical facts and events, but the actual understanding of how those things all tied together would make the articles here much better for convincing people to embrace liberty, which unfortunately I concur that the staff aren't effectively advocating for. Luckily I believe most people who come to this site are more engaged by the comment section, where there are many good liberty arguments.
If libertarian candidates aren't willing to break apart the disgustingly corrupt federal funding systems that the Republican oligarchs wish to turn towards their advantage and the advantage of their constituents as the left has so effectively done now, then how is this whole concept of "will to power" not inclusive of libertarians as well?
And, if Libertarianism Inc, whose underlying political philosophy is supposed to believe those systems need to be done away with, is happier to make alliances with those very systems than with them, why should Republican oligarchs pay any attention to libertarian protestations that those systems should be done away with, instead. Libertarianism is supposed to think there should be no National Endowment for the Arts, no National Endowment for the Humanities, no Department of Education, no government college funding, no administrative state, etc. But, even reconsidering them becomes "controversial" with Libertarianism Inc. Well, why should they expect conservatives to refrain from taking these institutions for their own purposes?
Fascinating this article coming behind Camp's article on adherence to DEI ideology in University hiring.
"What differentiates national conservatives from some other right-wing varietals is the desire to use government to destroy their enemies."
As opposed to the "Centrist" Democrats who only want to "kindly" punish and remove us from public spaces?
"if we had a core contingent of elected Republicans who were committed to using power to defund and humiliate the institutional centers of power of the left."
I have little to no problem with this. I thought as libertarians we were supposed to favor the dismantling and defunding of government-funded institutions.
"Bovard explicitly urged conservatives to use the government to break up tech companies, tax the endowments of left-wing universities, impose trade barriers, build a border wall, and increase the size of the child tax credit. "
I tend to be skeptical of the whole "break up tech companies" thing, mostly because I don't trust the people who would be targeting the companies to "break-up." I however would have no problem eliminating any government regulations and /or tax schemes that benefit them.
Given that the taxpayer is on the hook for student debt/tuition now I don't have a huge issue with taxing University endowments, I just wish we stopped subsidizing them as well.
Trade barriers I'm always skeptical of but I don't see this is as some "new" threat. There have always been protectionist conservatives/Republicans (e.g. Pat Buchanan). The same goes for conservatives who want to build a wall and conservatives who want to use tax policy to support families, these types of conservatives are not new.
"NatCon speakers also voiced support for laws of a religious nature, including conference organizer Yoram Hazony's insistence on getting God back into our schools—or as Hammer put it in his primer, "the American public square should overtly reflect God and the teachings of the Bible and Scripture.""
OMG! OMG! OMG! The social conservatives are advocating for things again! The horror!!!! /sarc
I don't see a threat here. If anything these "new" natcons are less hawkish, less crony capitalist, and less pro-government than the neoconservatives/Bush Republicans that used to dominate the GOP. This reads like a panicky centrist whose done little to no research on the country's political history. I'm getting tired of this whole "politico/CNN" type analysis of current events. If I wanted that type of analysis I'd watch CNN.
"the American public square should overtly reflect God and the teachings of the Bible and Scripture."
As a scientific humanist I can't imagine anything worse than this.
Replace Bible with "Koran" and it is equally bad though. Try that on and see how you like it.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, a TDS-addled steaming pile of lefty shit and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
As a Christian, I sincerely hope the public square and our cultural institutions do reflect God and greater scientific understanding. But only due to free societal transformation. There is no virtue in coercion, political or otherwise.
The Will to Power is front and center among Reason writers, even if they don't recognize that they are torchbearers for socialism.
Authoritarian nationalism is not the only or the best defense against a march toward state socialism. This accusation is over the top, to put it mildly.
I'm not sure what you're saying. I'm saying:
Republicans are not "authoritarian nationalists".
Reason writers, however, are increasingly torchbearers for socialism, though perhaps unintentional.
DeSantis uniquely personally authoritarian, meaning he insinuates his personal opinion into every element of Florida society, including local governments, school boards, redistricting, private business decisions, and has even removed a twice elected DA who he disagreed with - there were no actions by the DA which triggered this - and punished a company with legislation because he didn't like the opinion expressed by it's CEO. If you want an in-your-face president who's grabbing attention every day and who thinks every issue should be politicized and opponents demonized, he's your guy. He's not a libertarian.
Fuck off and die, Asshole.
Get a better sock puppet Shreek. Fuck off and die. No one cares.
If you want an in-your-face president who's grabbing attention every day and who thinks every issue should be politicized and opponents demonized, he's your guy
You fuckwads really hate the taste of your own medicine, don't you?
I know, every prominent Republican is "LITERALLY HITLER". No matter how "LITERALLY HITLER" the prior Republican was...this NEXT ONE is even more "LITERALLY HITLER".
Remember, in 2012, Romney was LITERALLY HITLER.
Typical MAGA creeps pretending to be libertarians, and here unable to counter the facts with anything but insults - not very clever ones at that.
Nah, it's just your tribal demagoguery so lacks intellect and reasoned thinking that it's just easier to condescend you and move on.
If you actually want a reasoned debate, feel free to post a non-argumentative, reasoned position and defend it. But we know that's not why you're here. So, maybe don't be shocked when you get the exact response that you are trying to elicit.
I said a fact. Find a Republican who was not a "fascist" or "Hitler" who ran for President since, say, 1948.
DeSantis, acts just like all other politicians. News at 11.
We call that "representative government".
Yes, and he did so legitimately. If voters don't like it, they can throw him out. Same deal as with that a--hole in the WH right now.
Big government solutions to big government's problems. Pass.
Then have fun when Shreek and Jeff come to put you in the camps.
Oh so it is either go with this because this is something or get put in camps?
See I am in favor of shrinking government to battle big government. So take universities and their woke ideologue, I'd stop all federal and state funding of them. There is a solution that doesn't require new taxes and is view point neutral (other than the fact the free market isn't going to give loans to SJW majors).
Yeah, the choices are fight back or be a martyr for your principles. Sometimes life is like that. It would be great if you could just ask leftists to stop and leave you alone. But that is not going to work. If you want to be a martyr, have fun. But I will pass.
After critics pointed out that using government to "reward friends and punish enemies" is generally considered to run afoul of the rule of law by definition
Critics apparently forgot when Obama said the same fucking thing--which is, not coincidentally, when the Democrats' full embrace of such strategies became a part of the political mainstream, not just on the university campus--although they bent over backwards in the aftermath to helpfully assert that what he said was not what he meant. The Dems main complaint here is that some in the GOP actually recognize that there's a war going on, and is pissed that some in the opposing party want to actually fight back.
This reminds me a lot of the core problem with Jonah Goldberg's "Liberal Fascism," which then-blogger Kenton Kelly (blogging as Dennis the Peasant) identified as Goldberg's failure to recognize the left's will to power, and how indicative it was of how the right consistently failed to meet its political opponents on their own terms, thinking that accusing the left of hypocrisy or using cutesy reverse pejoratives was going to be a devastating intellectual and rhetorical uppercut that would put the left on the defensive.
People like Goldberg, and Slade in this article, have this giant blind spot about the left's full embrace of "repressive tolerance," a philosophy that was laid out by Marcuse over 50 years ago, percolated in academia, the bureaucracy, and Hollywood in the ensuing decades, and finally became mainstreamed in the last 10 years or so. And the thing about fighting a war, is that you're inevitably going to compromise your ideals in order to defeat the enemy. This is why the left is desperately trying to reframe the culture war especially as something the right needs to ignore, so the latter can get back to the 60-year-long gentleman's agreement that it will only promote easily engaged issues such as tax cuts, gun control, and defense spending, and give in to the left on everything else, rather than go after the left on the cultural ground that the right basically abandoned starting in the 1990s.
And this is nothing new--the same thing happened in the late 60s and early 70s due to the left's excesses, which was actually the impetus for the white working class beginning its long migration over to the right, and the rejection of marxist liberationism by all but the radical left during that time.
".... the white working class beginning its long migration over to the right, and the rejection of marxist liberationism...."
and ending in the last 2 elections with many of them worshipping an born rich asshole developer who ripped off the sheetrock hangers concrete finishers.
"....Donald Trump often portrays himself as a savior of the working class who will "protect your job." But a USA TODAY NETWORK analysis found he has been involved in more than 3,500 lawsuits over the past three decades — and a large number of those involve ordinary Americans, like the Friels, who say Trump or his companies have refused to pay them..."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/
"...Jenkins was just 19 when Triad Building Specialties, started by his father in the mid-1970s, got the $300,000 contract to provide guardrails, doors, stalls and paper dispensers for the nearly 300 public bathrooms at the Trump Taj Mahal casino overlooking the Atlantic City beachfront.
It was April 1990. Trump was viewed across the world as a master businessman. His book “Trump: The Art of the Deal,” published three years earlier, was still on the bestseller lists....
Triad Building Specialties ended up taking out a $40,000 loan just to pay its suppliers. And then the firm needed another decade just to pay off the loan. In the end, Triad received only 40 cents on the dollar from Trump for its work on the Taj, said Jenkins, now 49 and the firm’s co-owner....
By 1991, when the Taj collapsed into bankruptcy, Trump offered those contractors only 33 cents in cash for each dollar he owed. He promised another 50 cents on the dollar later. But many contractors say it took years to get anything.
And they were the lucky ones."
https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/columnists/mike-kelly/2020/01/24/donald-trump-still-owes-money-to-contractors-who-built-taj-mahal-atlantic-city/4547037002/
Plenty more of this Red Rock - maybe you and your "white working class" buddies should smarten the fuck up.
So when you sign on to be a troll. Do your handlers provide you with a digital document that you can site and cut and paste from? I see this so often that I started realizing that you all have to be using handbooks in your trolling.
*cite
They get morning emails.
and ending in the last 2 elections with many of them worshipping an born rich asshole developer who ripped off the sheetrock hangers concrete finishers.
The same asshole developer who slagged the uppity left-liberal social class that looks down on both of them.
Plenty more of this Red Rock - maybe you and your "white working class" buddies should smarten the fuck up.
Please. You crave conflict, you just don't want resistance. That's why your side is freaking the fuck out about supposedly pointless "culture war issues" and having your own tactics used against you. Buckle up, fuckhead, because you're going to get your own shit shoved down your throat until you choke on it.
Also, Joe Fuckface, thanks for conceding that Obama kicked all this shit off in the first place by cherry-picking one unrelated line for your dumb ActBlue copypasta. You cant' refute a single fucking thing I wrote, and you know it, which is why you're coping by whining about what a big meanie Trump is.
You didn't state one supposed researchable fact about Obama doofus. How concede the unspoken.
Thanks for conceding on Trump the fat rip-off artist, the rich guy who doesn't pay the help. This is the "white working class" hero? You haven't and can't refute anything I posted. Everyone knows this about him - he's a rip off artist, and especially toward little guys..
You didn't state one supposed researchable fact about Obama doofus. How concede the unspoken.
Eat shit, fuckhead. And the rest of it you couldn't even engage because it's beyond your puny NPC brain's capacity to think. That's why you engage in copypasta instead of making complex arguments.
The rest of your post is rhetorical smoke, coping, seething, and projection that can be seen from Pluto.
So, Trump cut taxes on the wealthy you stupid schmuck, left and right. You think that's "slagging"?
You clearly don't know WTF you are talking about and will buy whatever crap Trump will offer up.
So, Trump cut taxes on the wealthy you stupid schmuck, left and right. You think that's "slagging"?
Your side was the one bitching and crying about "mean tweets" and "divisiveness." Don't try and act like you weren't ass-mad about that.
You clearly don't know WTF you are talking about and will buy whatever crap Trump will offer up.
You clearly should start charging Trump rent for the space he's taking up in your head.
No surprise that your first response to using government to "reward friends and punish enemies" is generally considered to run afoul of the rule of law by definition
is Obama said the same fucking thing
Do you people really not understand the concept that government (the elected part at least) is of the people. Those elected officials represent the people who voted for them, and people who voted against them, and people who didn't bother voting.
Tribalist petulance and revenge does not become OK merely because you want to claim that the other side did it first. Nor does that sort of tit-for-tat rationale serve to actually reduce the notion that YOU are selling here - that Americans are divided into friends and enemies.
I don't think 'libertarians' really offer a solution to or a way out of this mindset because they are simply overwhelmed with cynicism about self-governance. Which does turn into a bit of fatalism or nihilism about any possible outcome of self-governance. But its pretty obvious that the DeRp mindset is obsessed with stoking this mindset and making it worse.
Do you people really not understand the concept that government (the elected part at least) is of the people. Those elected officials represent the people who voted for them, and people who voted against them, and people who didn't bother voting.
Concept is one thing. How things actually are is another.
Tribalist petulance and revenge does not become OK merely because you want to claim that the other side did it first. Nor does that sort of tit-for-tat rationale serve to actually reduce the notion that YOU are selling here - that Americans are divided into friends and enemies.
What do you mean, "notion"? That's the fucking reality. It's why the left is whining about "divisiveness" when the right pushes back against them, and why shitlib sacks of monkey spunk like Michael Tomasky think that sending 50 migrants to one of the most secluded elite leftist enclaves in the country is just like the Nazis--because everything that isn't of the left is fascism to them.
Nope, there's no comity or de-escalation here. Because for the left, nothing is ever good enough, and they won't ever stop unless they're made to do so.
It's not about comity or deescalation. It's your health.
My health is just fine; unlike chemtard, I'm not a fatty.
Any semblance of a coherent ideology is now gone among the right. It's now all culture war all the way down. Using government power to impose a culture is wrong when the Left does it and it's still wrong when the Right does it.
One person using a gun is a bad thing. The person having the gun used against him deciding to use a gun to defend himself is not a bad thing.
Both are using guns, mind you.
Yup, the left and right are now in heated culture war battles with little to any attention on actual policies.
It's a sad state that we find out political discourse in.
+1
Above for Barndybuck
So you agree that the left is also engaging in the same culture war?
Any semblance of a coherent ideology is now gone among the right. It's now all culture war all the way down.
Politics isn't just about economics or foreign policy, Brandy. You, and the neocons for that matter, would know that if you hadn't dismissed cultural issues as inherently ideological ones themselves.
Oooph, neocons! You mean what most everybody on this board and the GOP were in 2003? Sorry you were taken on that, but you got had worse by Trump. Hope you didn't do any work for him.
If you think most people on this board are neocons, you have no business even discussing politics.
That's why you would disqualify Joe Friday from talking politics?
"Were" neocons "inquisitive", just like all the Republicans on board for Iraq. We all know libertarians are Republicans who smoke pot.
Was this supposed to be a meaningful response?
Still coping and seething, I see, you waste of carbon molecules.
Tweedle dee dee and tweedle dee dumb swing and miss, even on a pitch out.
Was this supposed to be a pithy response?
You are really bad at this. Does your Dem Trolling Supervisor see all your postings in order to evaluate your work, or do you get to pick and choose what you show him/her/they/it/xe?
Speaking from experience?
Dude, I don't get paid for kicking your ass. I do it for fun. But hey thanks for the complement.
Can't even respond to the correct post. Man, this is a struggle for you. And I'm sorry you don't get paid, at least that gave you some level of credit. Knowing you spew your pseudo-intellectual tribal garbage simply for fun is just embarrassing for you.
Dude, I don't get paid for kicking your ass.
You shouldn't, considering how bad at it you are.
Mixing Christianity With Nationalism Is a Recipe for Fascism
It’s probably about time to conclude once and for all that Christianity and nationalism are essentially incompatible because the latter always swallows the former. It was true in the Spanish Civil War, when priests blessed fascist murderers on the grounds that their “godless” victims would enjoy eternal life if they confessed before being shot. It was true in Nazi Germany, when the Faith Movement of German Christians tried to excise Jewish influences from the Bible. It’s true in Russia, where the criminal regime of Vladimir Putin has managed to fuse Stalinism with religious orthodoxy, to the cheers of American Evangelicals who admire Putin’s homophobia and “manly” virtues.
Today’s Christian Nationalists need to choose, just as German Christians were called to choose in the Barman Declaration that rejected the Nazi appropriation of Christianity by denouncing worship of party, nation, or Volk as idolatrous. You can choose to follow your culture wars into partisan politics or even authoritarianism and insurrectionary violence, like the not-so-spiritual warriors of January 6. But please, please, be honest about your motives and leave your savior and mine out of it.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/09/mixing-christianity-with-nationalism-is-a-recipe-for-fascism.html
They must make their Christianity conform to the state. But it is everyone else that is fascist. You are so dumb you make my head hurt.
Hmm. Didn't Nazi Germany also accuse a particular set of religious people for all the problems suffered in the country? How'd that go?
Ackshuyally, the Nazis hatred of the Jews stemmed from regarding Jews as an evil "race," though Christian and Islamic religious tropes against Jews served as Nazi propaganda too.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, a TDS-addled steaming pile of lefty shit and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Democrats and the left - lie about BK drunk raping a future doctor, MAGA crowd trying to hang Smollett, border patrol whipping migrants, ignore pertinent details so they place surveillance on Carter Page, illegally protest at homes of SC and firebombs pregnancy centers
"This is fine"
Conservatives argue for limited immigration and Desantis takes away special privileges from Disney and baseball teams
"OMG some right wingers want to destroy their enemies!"
Yeah, just like political correctness is just being polite and CRT is just teaching real history. No, you're not fooling anybody either.
Bovard makes a lot more sense than anything I have been reading at Reason, as far as how to fight back against the liberal sickness that has captured academia, media, entertainment, and is threatening to finish off politics -- then the whole society next.
And, at the very least, I can't/don't see anyone saying doing anything pushback-wise that isn't on par with what Bovard is saying or, more critically, that Slade couldn't similarly clutch her pearls and respond "Hide yo' kids. Hide yo' wife. And hide yo' husband, 'cuz they rapin' everybody out here!" to.
What differentiates national conservatives from some other right-wing varietals is the desire to use government to destroy their enemies.
Considering that's exactly what their enemies have been doing to them for decades, I'd say it's high time!
Ever notice how the lolberts and progtards have a pincer strategy going? The progtards use the government to shove the unpalatable down our throats, and when we retaliate in kind, the lolberts jump up to call us statist.
But although one is nominally pro-government, and the other is anti-government, they never seem to step on each others toes.
But they miss no opportunity to step on ours.
Funny how that works.
Have you ever noticed how more and more power ends up in the hands of the political ruling class and not the individual?
Funny how that works, since there are "two parties" who are so diametrically opposed to one another.
The irony isn't in the libertarians, it's in the "conservatives" who are, in each generation, trying to conserve the cultural standards they were raised with, and not conserve the founding principles of the USA. Hence why the progressive mentality has formed a gordian knot in the two parties. Is a standing army a good thing? Is an administrative state a good thing? Is the affordable care act a good thing? Libertarians would like to abolish these things and return to the principles of limited government. "Conservatives" who were born into and culturally accepted these things will fight "the left" on these things, except when they actually obtain enough liberty minded votes to get power in all branches of government the administrative state is not abolished or rolled back.
Funny isn't it?
A free society must respect people's freedoms even when lots of other people dislike how they're used.
A "free society" is an oxymoron, as the fundamental bargain of society is that one surrenders some degree of autonomy for the benefits of group membership.
It is, of course, legitimate to consider which freedoms should be exposed to regulation by society, and those which should be reserved by the individual, but failure to acknowledge that as the society has an obligation to recognize the rights of individual, the individual is likewise bound to respect the norms of society as well is a serious blind spot. That we're prepared to put up with a lot doesn't oblige us to put up with everything.
Anyone who denies the possibility of a Free Society is an Oxygen-less Walking ancephalic.
The bargain of a Free Society is that all individuals in it respect the Individual Rights of each other.
You know, you might have more Oxygen if there were no Witch-Burnings or Zyklon-B.
Until you recognize that fact, Fuck Off, Witch-Burning Nazi! And stay off my lawn!
In a "primer" on national conservatism released on the heels of the conference, Hammer called for "a temporary full immigration moratorium" to "drastically reduce legal immigration from its current levels"; for "vigorous antitrust enforcement against, and common carrier regulation for," banks and social media companies that discriminate against conservative viewpoints; and for a national industrial policy.
That sounds refreshing! Where do I send my check?
Oh, they'll come get your check, all right. And as Ayn Rand would put it: "Brother, you asked for it!"
Fuck Off, Witch-Burning Nazi! Enjoy your Night of Long Knives and Great Purges!
Oh both sides make it sound so good ! Well they are both evil and I for one won't give any rights to either party. They don't own me, nor will they ever rule me. I am free and will remain so.
You live up to your handle well!
Using the government to destroy what one loathes is known as socialism; having the government take over those repulsive entities, communism; creating a viable alternative, capitalism.
You are so correct!
As long as NatCons want to unleash punitive taxation on liberal college endowments they shouldn't forget the non-profits and philanthropic foundations right down to the demonic Reason Foundation for the promotion of central planning and Poole's call call for nationalizing the truck stops.
The problem is will they stop with taxing non-profit foundations or move on to taxing your home's foundation?
Will they stop with college endowments or will they move on to padlocking your endowments?
NatComs are more interesting in "owning the Left" than they are in you owning you.
You know who else manifested a Will to Power?
Sappy Late Eighties Radio and MTV?
Will To Power--Baby I Love Your Way/Freebies (Complete with cover of the Walter Kaufman Translation of Nietzsche's work.)
https://youtu.be/79r_XaUU7yE
Politically, i say if there's a Will To Power, there needs to be a corresponding Won't To Power...written in bullets if necessary.
Correction: “Freebird” and “Kaufmann.” The "Edit” button wasn’t working yet, AFAICT.
Ooh. Ooh. I can't wait to find out which conservative values Donald Trump stands for.
There was a time, in my college years, that I had an idea that power in the right hands could be used to beget good ends, that it was simply a matter of getting people to choose the right person, a true master to take the reins of power and guide society towards a more virtuous and just future.
The problem is it never works out that way. The real reason America has survived 250 years isn't because democracy is good at picking great leaders, but because it turns out to be that much harder to concentrate power in the hands of really bad people when they sneak to the top, and we've had a few of them already, but we survived it. Concentrated power isn't the answer. Luckily, I don't really need to argue it since this system we have, (a republic, if you can keep it) is pretty good at diffusing power and this too shall pass.
Big government types are wrong. Hopefully their movement drowns in its own stupidity (guaranteed if they keep picking winners like Trump), but even if it doesn't and they get themselves a nice little Hitler, the sun will still rise in the east the day after it's all over and the rest of us will pick up the pieces and move on with our lives.
What differentiates national conservatives from some other right-wing varietals is the desire to use government to destroy their enemies.
Ctrl+F 'destroy': 2/2 results:
"What differentiates national conservatives from some other right-wing varietals is the desire to use government to destroy their enemies." - Stephanie Slade
"it's to use it affirmatively to destroy opposing ideologues." - Stephanie Slade
Literally, the only one talking about destroying anything around here is you, you fucking brown shirt piece of shit.
Don't you have somewhere on Gab or Truth Social to hang out?
A pithy comment appears
twice even!
Democracy: Rewarding friends and punishing enemies.