How Faithful Is The Rings of Power to J.R.R. Tolkien's Anti-Statism?
Between the books and the new TV series, we see two different visions of freedom.
Film and TV adaptions of literary works typically take one of two paths.
They either try to be faithful to the events and themes of the source material, or they creatively reinvent the work to make a different point or even mock the original story. Denis Villeneuve's Dune would be an example of the former. The 1997 adaption of Robert Heinlein's Starship Troopers is in the latter camp.
Sitting somewhere in between these two poles is Amazon's new The Rings of Power, which debuted earlier this month. The show depicts J.R.R. Tolkien's writings about the pre–Lord of the Rings history of the fictional Middle Earth's Second Age.
As someone who has only skimmed the appendixes at the end of The Return of the King, and not read the much lengthier, posthumously published Silmarillion, I can't weigh in on the show's fidelity to the Second Age's history and characters.
The consensus seems to be the show is mostly succeeding at presenting a Middle Earth in its Second Age, in the words of National Review's Jack Butler, "at once familiar to viewers and novel."
I can, however, weigh in on its faithfulness to a theme that bookends the story in The Lord of the Rings: Tolkien's celebration of freedom against arbitrary government interference. Here too, it appears that The Rings of Power echoes the books' anti-statism, but from a novel angle.
Notwithstanding all the wars and kings and whatnot, The Lord of the Rings is not primarily a political text. The real conflicts in the books either transcend the political to focus on a more elemental war of good and evil or center on internal personal struggles of virtue and vice.
Fleshing out any political themes requires some interpretive license.
It's not helped by Tolkien's real-world politics defying easy characterization beyond anti-modernism. The author described his own views as somewhere between anarchy and "unconstitutional" monarchy. One Twitter user speculated recently that the author would be a swing Green-Tory voter in the U.K.
Tolkien did rail explicitly against the evils of statism, something almost totally absent from his idyllic Shire. It's a close-knit, largely closed community that manages to run itself in a remarkably anarchistic fashion.
"The Shire at this time had hardly any 'government.' Families for the most part managed their own affairs," reads the prologue in The Fellowship of the Ring.
There's a mayor, but it's mostly a ceremonial position. A police force of "Shirriffs" exists, but they wear no uniforms and don't seem to do much policing either. They're described as "more concerned with the straying of beasts than of people."
The Shire's certainly no lefty commune either. There's no collective project all the hobbits are working toward. Private property exists, as do money, trade, and wealth disparities. This is all presented as rather benign, and even idyllic.
The libertarianism of the Shire becomes even more apparent at the end of The Return of the King when our heroes return home to find that evil (possibly part-orcish) men in league with the wizard Saruman have taken over and imposed a grim statism on its unwilling population.
Free travel within the Shire is replaced with a system of internal checkpoints, all manned by once-harmless, now-armed Shirriffs. The ale houses are forcibly shuttered, the weed exported, and dank holding cells start cropping up in town.
Fortunately, the hobbits band together and oust these statist interlopers.
That all sounds pretty anarchistic. The Shire's isolation also makes it similar in kind to other libertarian visions of an externally closed-off, but internally free society; another Galt's Gulch or ocean seastead.
And yet, many of the things that allow the Shire to operate as an internally free community also demand a conservatism and isolationism that conflict with the dynamism, change, and general openness we associate with freedom.
It's not a particularly entrepreneurial or industrious place. "Estates, farms, workshops, and small trades tended to remain unchanged for generations," reads The Fellowship's prologue.
That's a far cry from a free-wheeling free market where old modes of production are constantly giving way to new ideas and ways of doing business. Economic disruption is anathema to the Shire's staid stagnation.
Indeed, the mills and industry that Saruman establishes during his stint running the Shire are portrayed not as engines of wealth generation, but as ugly, polluting monstrosities.
There's a cloistered, almost xenophobic attitude among the Shirefolk too. In addition to Shirriffs, there's a larger, irregular force of "Bounders" tasked with keeping an eye on outsiders and making sure they don't become a nuisance.
This fear of foreigners goes so far as to occasionally trump characters' own clear self-interest. Toward the end of The Return of the King, Gandalf explains to the skeptical innkeeper Barliman in the Shire-adjacent town of Bree that the new king will make the roads safe enough for travelers to return.
"We don't want no outsiders at Bree, nor near Bree at all. We want to be let alone," responds Barliman, who would seem to have a vested interest in outsiders patronizing his inn.
That fear of outsiders ends up being mostly justified in The Lord of the Rings. (Barliman's comments come just before the protagonists discover that the Shire has been invaded and taken over.)
The Rings of Power makes clearer what this isolationism costs societies.
The show, like the books, is not really about anything political. It's primarily a serviceable fantasy adventure about elves and orcs. That makes it a different animal from a show like Game of Thrones that's obsessed with palace intrigue and dynastic power plays.
But the most recent episode of the show, which aired last Friday, deviates from this trend. Much of the episode concerns itself with the elf warrior Galadriel and human Halbrand's arrival as shipwrecked refugees in the island kingdom of Númenor.
Immediately, the two find themselves running up against the kingdom's litany of rules and regulations designed to exclude outsiders.
Galadriel's very presence is controversial given that elves aren't typically allowed by Númenor's racist immigration restrictions. Trade with the outside world has also apparently been discontinued. Galadriel glumly mentions that elves and Númenor once freely exchanged gifts and knowledge for their mutual benefit. No longer.
The island kingdom also has a robust occupational licensing regime designed to exclude not just non-natives, but non–union members as well. When Halbrand looks to ply his trade as a blacksmith, he's told membership in the blacksmith's guild is required before he can do even the most basic tasks. Like real-life licensing laws, the sole purpose seems to be protectionism and exclusion: Halbrand isn't even given an opportunity to demonstrate his competence before being rejected for a job.
To be sure, Númenor shares the Shire's isolationism, but not its statelessness. There's a queen and uniformed military. The exclusion of foreign disruptors doesn't guarantee the kingdom's internal freedom.
The more interesting question is whether the Shire's peasant anarchy could exist with a greater degree of openness to the outside world.
Tolkien would probably say that the answer is no; the Shire's cultural homogeneity is necessary to keep order without a more proactive state.
The libertarian answer would be an obvious yes. Free societies require both the Shire's absence of internal despotism and openness to trade, migration, and economic competition that Númenor lacks.
Such a world would be a lot more turbulent than the tranquil Shire. But it would also be a lot more interesting. Tolkien maybe recognizes this himself. His characters are always leaving the Shire in search of a little adventure.
Neither The Lord of the Rings nor The Rings of Power give us a positive vision of what this open, stateless might look like. Apparently, that requires a bit more imagination.
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Galadriel’s very presence is controversial given that elves aren’t typically allowed by Númenor’s racist immigration restrictions.
And people worried the show was going to be stuffed with ham-handed commentary on modern politics.
Yeah, what I’m hearing is her characterization is ham-fisted AF (as the kids say). Like the show needs to keep reminding you that she’s a “Strong Independent Woman”, and does it in the clumsiest of ways.
And this is completely against the actual writings of Tolkein, who had two heroes of mixed lineage in the 2nd age.
Elros, the first king of Númenor was half elf and Elrond’s brother. He had Maiar ancestry too.
They did become anti-elf under the last king, Ar-Pharazôn, because he was using Sauron as an advisor.
But everything nowadays has to be twisted a parable about American race relations.
Fear of a Black Hobbit
Oh wow, that was stupid. I lost brain cells reading that strawman riddled excuse-generator.
It didn’t even make an argument, just called everyone racist.
It’s hard to beat the garbage in The Atlantic.
Maybe Mother Jones has them beat. Fucking horror shows of journalism.
Whether Tolkien was totally Anti-Statist or not, he was a dead-set foe of Nazism and he would no doubt equally be against the racist Wokesters of today:
JRR Tolkien perfectly clapped back against Nazis who asked if he’s Jewish
Indy100 Staff
https://www.indy100.com/news/jrr-tolkien-jewish-nazi-germany
I’ve seen the first three Amazon shows, and this is a very shitty review. I really didn’t feel there was any politics or woke BS being pushed at all. There’s black actors where they would’ve probably been white 20 years ago, but it really doesn’t make any difference at all. In my opinion, Arondir and Sadoc are perfectly cast. They’re black? Who gives a shit?
Great show so far, good plots and action. It’s not at all like that Wheel of Time woke train wreck.
“I really didn’t feel there was any politics or woke BS being pushed at all.”
You are deeply mistaken. The writers injected immigration policies into their show.
” …aren’t typically allowed by Númenor’s racist immigration restrictions.”
I was going to say, “the word you’re looking for is “speciesist”” but I guess it’s not really appropriate since elves and humans can cross breed. But “racist” doesn’t seem right either.
I’ve watched a few episodes. They bear little resemblence to anything Tolkein wrote, as example Galadriel jumping overboard enroute to Valinor was highly annoying. But after the elves saved the day at Helm’s deep (granted, a different franchise) I’ve given up hope of any accurate depiction. At least the Amazon folks know how to pronouce Celebrimbor…
Notwithstanding all the wars and kings and whatnot, The Lord of the Rings is not primarily a political text. The real conflicts in the books either transcend the political to focus on a more elemental war of good and evil or center on internal personal struggles of virtue and vice.
Not primarily a political text? It’s not political at all.
For years, and years and years, this or that person or group have claimed it’s “an allegory for [nuclear weapons or whatever you wanted to insert into the narrative]”
Tolkien himself weighed in on these interpretations with the following:
I haven’t seen the RoP, but I’ve seen the reviews from the reviewers I trust, and the consensus is… it’s kind of awful.
Depends what you’re after. You’re comment above about Galadriel being an over the top “strong independent woman” is accurate. And as someone who read part of the Silmarillion as a kid, but then got bored with it and stopped (it reads more like a history book of European royalty) and so has just some passing knowledge, it definitely takes liberties.
But it’s on on Friday nights, and my wife and I watch it while having cocktails on our 65” TV and ATMOS surround sound, and it’s got pretty good special effects and action. So if you can watch if just for the sake of entertainment, it’s decent.
It really isn’t that bad so far. I was more disappointed at some of the choices that Peter Jackson made (Faramir was never tempted!) then anything I have seen so far in RoP. I read the Silmarilion, and while it is definitely tedious in spots, it also contains some wonderful stories.
In particular, people are misinformed about Galadriel if they only consider her appearance in LoR. Among other things, she rebelled against the gods, refused the Oath of Faenor, and lead her people in a torturous march across the North Pole to reach Middle Earth. She later split with her husband during the period when the rings were forged because she distrusted Sauron-in-disguise. That is the reason she was trusted with one of the elven rings. She was the original ‘strong independent woman’ of Tolkien’s world. She certainly wouldn’t have put up with shit from men.
Yeah, so far not bad. Pacing was a bit of an issue on the first two episodes, but they had to world build. And even if you don’t know all that about Galadriel, I didn’t, she’s an immortal elf who has fought against evil for centuries; so strong and independent are going to go with the territory along with arrogance and bluntness. I’ve thought she’s one the better characters so far.
She’s was regarded by the elves as the wisest elf ever, and that was before Melkor was chained and the Silmarils were created.
“I read the Silmarilion, and while it is definitely tedious in spots, it also contains some wonderful stories.”
Like I said I was a kid when I tried reading it, guess I’ll give it another go.
The first section of the Simarilion took me 20 years to read. I didn’t realize it was the only part that was allegorical. The rest I read in 3 days and have reread a few times. His tragic heroes are fantastic. Oedipus levels of tragedy.
About the first third (or so) is a slog. The rest picks up and some sections are outstanding.
I’d really like to recommend Blind Guardian’s album Nightfall in Middle Earth here, which follows about half the story of the Silmarillion in a series of songs and shorter bits inbetween. It is absolutely fantastic.
I have often had occasion to use that quote – particularly against people who insist that LotR was somehow allegorical either wrt WWI or WW2.
I think RoP is pretty good, though. It has the feel of the Tolkien world and retains Jackson’s emphasis on landscape (which is at the heart of LotR once you start looking for it.)
And the criticism of Galadriel I think overlook that if you ask the question, “what was Galadriel like as a young elf?” she surely didn’t spring into existence as the wise and almost all-seeing elf of LotR. I can certainly see how the young Galadriel would have become the older one. (Though the actress playing her lacks the cool sex appeal of Cate Blanchett, but maybe that’s just me.)
She is not young. In the 2nd age she was thousands of years old…
I think it’s relative – and they are, after all, immortal in a sense. But younger, then.
No, it isn’t relative.
https://screenrant.com/how-old-galadriel-rings-power-lord-rings/#:~:text=Based%20on%20the%20events%20the,Trees%2C%20which%20lasted%20until%201500.
Galadriel was never described as a warrior princess. She was in fact part of the kingdom hierarchy of the elves. They made her this way for their own strong woman woke narrative, not due to actual Tolkien lore.
Galadriel was also very wise and intelligent: she was one of the very few who were not fooled by Sauron in the Second Age, and therefore suggested to Celebrimbor to hide the Three Rings. She also refrained from using the powers of Nenya while the One Ring was in Sauron’s possession, and only did so after the One Ring was lost (for it was only then that it was safe enough for her to do so).
https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Galadriel
She wasn’t an Amazonian as the RoP is trying to portray her.
According to the lore she was about 6’4″ and you learn some shit fighting the servants of Morgoth over the course of a few thousand years. They picked her as a character because there is almost no reference to what she was doing during the second age other than she was one of the very few not deceived by Sauron. She also left what was described as the safest place in Middle Earth and her husband to forge her own kingdom in the wilderness during that time.
That sounds like a warrior-queen to me. The care of a ring of power would not have been given over to the care of someone that couldn’t defend it.
She was the second most powerful elf to have lived after Fëanor, and could put a scare into some of the Maiar by herself. She didn’t need a sword or an army to do it, either.
Again, what I’m “hearing” is that Galadriel’s negotiation tactic to get people on her side is to just be a complete bitch to everyone she meets. And it just isn’t realistic or makes sense. It’s being described as the modern entitlement feminist vision of just overpowering everyone she meets. I’m not lore expert on LoTR but that just doesn’t feel right for Galadriel. She seems like she’d be more of a wise queen, not an assholish brute.
If there is a criticism of the take on the character, this would be the place to start, rather than argue you about her physicality. According to Tolkien, “She had the ability to peer into the minds of others to judge them fairly.” We have not seen that yet.
I didn’t get a particularly bitchy feeling so far from the character myself. She seems driven, not mean.
Right. And this is the tail end of the second age, itself thousands of years long, and she was in Middle Earth for the whole of the First Age, which was like watching a horrific cancer slowly killing all of civilization, including basically her whole family. She has already seen more shit than almost any living being on earth.
She was alive before humans ever existed. So acting like she’s suddenly this “young elf,” is a really shitty thing to do to her.
And in RoP they mention what she’d already seen as an explanation for why she was so determined in her pursuit.
Which makes you contradictory in your defense of RoP’s portrayal of Galadriel. You aren’t making any sense.
“”what was Galadriel like as a young elf?” she surely didn’t spring into existence as the wise and almost all-seeing elf of LotR.
She kind of did. She was the second most powerful elf in the world after Feanor, and the wisest.
Reducing someone who was essentially a god, to a sword-swinging Xena; Warrior Princess knockoff was stupid.
How Faithful Is The Rings of Power to J.R.R. Tolkien’s Anti-Statism?
WTF? First, Tolkein’s Anti-Statism is, reasonably, a bit suspect. Certainly Sauron was an authoritarian/totalitarian and soundly opposed, but it’s hard to say that someone who heralds the end with “The Return Of The King” is strictly anti-statist.
Second, by property rights alone, the R.O.P.-a-dope was guaranteed to have virtually nothing to do with Tolkien even before it was written.
I believe it was done in the modern mold of “updated for modern audiences” (yes, including completely non-sensical race swapping whose offense merely suggests the immaturity and lack of talent in the writers/producers). Whenever a movie is “updated for modern audiences” you sure-as-shit know that “fun” becomes a four letter word.
Argument against “inclusivity”: Tolkien was writing an England-based and Nordic inspired mythology, and there were no POCs in English and Norse myths.
Argument for: there were indeed some dark-skinned Vikings, the Haradrim (from the South) had dark skin, we don’t know enough about elvish physiology to know how they’d react or evolve after thousands of years in sunnier climes, random mixing of races (in the Tolkien sense of the term “race”) was rare but not unknown, so the occasional darker-skinned dwarf, for example, would be remarkable but not impossible.
so the occasional darker-skinned dwarf
You say this like they actually had the good sense to choose someone just a shade or two or even three or four darker than alabaster, who still *might* look like they lived their entire life in a mine or was a mix of mine-dwellers and some other race, rather than someone who looks like their parents have slept in the sun for several generations.
Haradrim (from the South) had dark skin, we don’t know enough about elvish physiology to know how they’d react or evolve after thousands of years in sunnier climes
In they had wanted to invent an entire race of “southern elves” then that would have been fine– since they’re playing very fast and loose with the canon anyway. But nope, it’s just a random, individual black skinned elf or dwarf– like it was a genetic mutation or something because (from what I can tell) there’s no discussion of the lack of intermarrying or immigration– and then lack of intermarrying after immigration blah blah in the RoP.
If it wasn’t a rando – genetic mutation event, how did this black elf/dwarf get here, where did they come from, how many generations has this elf/dwarf been in this society? If the skin remained dark, was the intermarrying of this small sliver of dark skinned folk pretty confined to their own?
I watched a short documentary about American black people emigrating to Africa– and when they get there, the locals consider them white.
I believe it was done in the modern mold of “updated for modern audiences”
I’m not sure which way is worse, that they bought the appendices and wrote the story or wrote the story and then rebranded it to fit the appendices. Either way, it’s like buying the backdrops to a hit Broadway show and pretending you’re going to make a similarly masterful prequel without any of the same characters. It’s like the NFT guys that bought Jodorowski’s Dune Script. That’s not how any of this works.
Part of thevproblem is making a group of people who are essentially a tribal, insular, xenophobic community as multiracial as a modern urban population.
If you haven’t read the source material, you’ve got two good options: comment on the Amazon series on its own merits, or write about something else.
Writing this column wasn’t one of the good options.
“The Shire at this time had hardly any ‘government.’ Families for the most part managed their own affairs,” reads the prologue in The Fellowship of the Ring.
One cannot get around the fact that the Hobbits and the Shire in general was incredibly culturally homogeneous. I dare not make the mistakes of other readers over the years and suggest that Tolkien was… in some ridiculous way “anti open borders” because I’m guessing Tolkien didn’t spend any time considering this as a concept. But it seems clear to me… from his world-building, that he certainly created a kind of idyllic world that didn’t consider a concept of “globalism”. Cultures were pretty specific to their locale and their people. The elves were Elvish, the Humans were… human, the Hobbits were Hobbits and the Dwarves were Dwarvish. And the intermarrying of “species” (probably the proper word in the context of discussing elves vs humans vs dwarves) was seen as incredibly rare and… at least in my rough interpretation, somewhat disruptive.
Again, I would dare not suggest it was a polemic on cultural homogeneity or “strict border controls”, it was simply a kind of proto-medieval world in which the concept of cross-border free trade and anything-goes cultural intermixing, intermarrying rich ‘cultural appropriation’ wasn’t really even considered.
Tolkien, if anything, was closer to the Distributism of Chesterton and Belloc:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributism
But, I guess the main thing is the article really is forcing modern views and politics on the work in ways that are questionable fits. Even going so far as to claim it’s anarchistic, when really it’s probably just how most of the world functioned out of necessity until the modern state, with modern technology, arose.
Even going so far as to claim it’s anarchistic, when really it’s probably just how most of the world functioned out of necessity until the modern state, with modern technology, arose.
Eeeexactly. The fact of the matter was when the world was at this state of technology and advancement (essentially medieval- but since this isn’t OUR world, it’s one of Tolkien’s creation we’ll just use that as a facsimile) regular people didn’t have a lot of daily interaction with government as we see it. With the exception of civilizations which created large cities, people in the hinterlands mostly kept to themselves, and their shared cultural values were really what mostly held things together.
If anyone wants to see an absolute encyclopedic breakdown of Tolkien’s worldbuilding from someone who’s studied the text like an 11th Century Monk, I would recommend a Youtube channel called In Deep Geek.
For a libertarian, you might find some pretty fun and interesting stuff. With videos like:
How did the Elf Economy Work.
What was Sauron’s Economic Policy
How did the Hobbit Economy work.
And don’t be fooled, it’s not some hipster throwing the heavy hand of his own interpretation into it. He does very careful readings of the text, notes from Tolkien, and other works like the Simarillion etc., in an attempt to really understand how Tolkien envisioned it. Yes, there is interpretation in places, but it’s very careful and judicious.
Sounds interesting. I’ll watch a video or two.
I remembering discovering “self-ownership” after I’d already made up my own version (self-control is the right, and duty, to control self and property, regardless of harm to self or the distaste of others), and then discovering Cafe Hayek and that there’s a whole lot more to Economics than argy-bargy about M1/M2/M3/… always fun to see different takes on such things.
I would recommend the Hobbit Economy video first. It’s excellent.
Oh that is funny! I’d read the stories back around 1970, long before I’d ever thought of what economies were. Here he starts pointing out all the paradoxes — lots of material wealth on a primitive scale (plenty of food, wine, books, good furniture; watermills), yet all that supporting infrastructure (able to make wine bottles and corks and labels, tools; must be mines for iron ore, able to make paper) never makes an appearance until Saruman throws it in their faces.
Upper class like Bilbo and Frodo with wealth who never have to work, while Sam is a happy servant.
All these factors imply tens of thousands of hobbits (my guess, not his), certainly a lot more than I had ever imagined when reading the books. (I have never seen any of the movies; all the trailers made it clear that none were going to be faithful adaptations.)
I have to laugh. Sometimes a story is just a story. I will watch the rest, but definitely not what I expected.
until Saruman throws it in their faces.
Towards the end of the video, he talks about Saruman inserting himself into the Hobbit economy, and how easy it was for him to do so because of the… *ahem* libertarian/anarchic/small government nature of the Hobbit economy.
Yes, and I think that’s dead wrong. It’s easy enough to take over an intrusive government with its existing bureaucracy of police, courts, prosecutors, and especially tax bureaucrats, both governmental and private industry; all you have to do is defeat the leaders. Look at Montezuma, for instance.
But to conquer and take over a country which has no government police and courts and tax bureaucracy? You’d have to invent all that from scratch, both governmental and private industry.
The closest example I can think was the British southern strategy during the American Revolution. They’d capture a state capital and think they’d won, while the legislature skipped town; go on to the next state to capture its capital, and meanwhile the previous state capital went right back to being the rebel state capital.
Saruman did co-opt the Shirriffs, but there was no mention of taxation, IIRC, another element of it being just a story. It’s one thing to smash and grab, loot, plunder. It’s another thing entirely to stick around and loot just enough to not kill the golden goose. The implication was that Saruman could somehow do both, and that’s not realistic.
“The art of taxation consists in so plucking the goose as to obtain the largest amount of feathers with the least amount of hissing.” — Jean-Baptiste Colbert
You and I may be taking different things from the same video.
I thought he does a pretty damned good breakdown of how the general economy functioned– much like an “idyllic” rural agrarian economy did in the middle ages. He also speaks to the fact that there is a class system, but not a lot of economic mobility- because he gets back to the ‘shared cultural values’ issue: It’s not that people shun wealth, it’s that most people are pretty satisfied with their lot in life. There are trades, but they’re not ‘at scale’. It’s all artisan-based trades. You’re a chair or furniture maker. You blow glass, you’re a blacksmith. And there is trade with the outside world, but extremely limited.
I mean hell, the Vikings were making their finer swords with crucible steel through trade with China. But that didn’t make the Vikings less of a rather closed community. It wasn’t until the Vikings started crossing “England’s” social construct and setting up Israeli-type “illegal settlements” that the intermarrying started.
No, I got all that. I just think it’s unrealistic, that no real society that small and isolated could ever have that much distributed wealth. That feeling is increased by the fact that you never even know that mines exist until he shoves it into the open with Saruman. That’s what I mean by sometimes a story is just a story. Tolkien didn’t hide mines to keep it pretty; he just didn’t map out the Shire economy in any realistic detail. It was just a story.
You’re wrong and I’m right. Just accept it, things get much easier.
Never heard of Distributionism before. Just skimmed that link and I’m a little confused. Free markets don’t create monopolies; government does. Rockefeller’s Standard Oil was a classic example of innovators eventually undoing their own success, and AT&T a classic example of government-created monopoly, not to mention patents and copyrights.
How exactly do distributionists propose government force widespread ownership of property? How would they, for instance, have handled Amazon? Jeff Bezos now owns 11% of Amazon stock; is that too much, and how would they have government redistribute it?
Maybe more to the point, why do they think laissez-faire leads inexorably to concentration of property in a few hands? Did they actually think that any period of US or UK governance was laissez-faire? Seems to require a special kind of blindness to not see government favoritism wherever government has the power to create favoritism.
Free markets don’t create monopolies
Even if you have no system of patents or copyright, that’s not evidently true. If you have a product dependent on a long period of research or design that cannot readily be replicated, the barrier to entry both of time and knowledge may be sufficient to create a monopoly – particularly if the size of the market is such that it’s not worth anyone else’s efforts to challenge it.
. If you have a product dependent on a long period of research or design that cannot readily be replicated, the barrier to entry both of time and knowledge may be sufficient to create a monopoly – particularly if the size of the market is such that it’s not worth anyone else’s efforts to challenge it.
Unfortunately, we’re layering speculation on top of a bed of speculation.
You make a perfectly logical point, but as you say, in the absence of copyright or patents, it’s likely that… in a reasonably complex economy, there are other people capable of exploiting that system or research/design in parallel and won’t be far behind.
If we look at the history of inventions, it’s quite rare that the society they came out of– as a whole didn’t have multiple people or groups kind-of-sort-of working on the same thing at the same time.
So yes, a monopoly may exist for a time, but I suspect in a completely free market that monopoly won’t exist for long.
It also pretends that reverse engineering isn’t a thing, which is incredibly stupid.
Name one actual monopoly that was not created by government.
And I don’t mean utterly local monopolies over some utterly local resource, like a local spring or a farmer with the only raspberry bushes within 5 miles, or someone who invents something new and it takes 5 or 10 years for someone else to set up competition.
When you say, “created”, do you include all monopolies arising out of government protection for IP? A private enterprise that owing to government action stayed or became a monopoly? Or an actual government generated enterprise that became a monopoly?
If you cannot figure that out, I’m not giving any more hints.
Translation: I don’t want to clarify as it would undermine my claim.
Where has his argument been undermined? You haven’t done that.
I can tell you he means a monopoly that wasn’t the result of some kind of government interference in the economics of the particular industry. Including but not limited to government protection of IP.
But even in the latter, even WITH government protection of IP, you notice Apple isn’t the only company on the planet with a touch-screen smart phone. And that’s WITH IP protections.
Did Apple create the touch screen? Nope. IBM had one 30 years ago.
One way for a private monopoly with no government involvement at all: a product where potential revenues even as a monopoly are sufficiently small relative to the start-up and running costs for any market entrant that only with one supplier can the ROI be large enough to make it economic. In other words – high barrier to entry relative to potential revenues for multiple suppliers. There is a limit on the supplier’s monopoly pricing power – if you optimise your price for revenue alone, the profit/ROI may be high enough to make it worthwhile for another entrant. Hence even as a monopoly you don’t necessarily try to maximise your revenue. On the contrary – you may keep the price somewhat lower to prevent competition.
(I am actually working on this issue at the moment in the small fintech I’m setting up – what level of revenue is high enough to make it worth our while but not so high it becomes worth potential competitors’ while to enter our niche.)
I live in a small town which barely supports a single grocery store, which probably gets one customer every 5 minutes. Is it a monopoly? Sure — in this town. It’s cheaper to pay $7 for a gallon of milk than drive 25 miles round trip to save a couple of dollars.
I can cook up a zillion other examples. One notary, unless I drive 60 miles round trip. One gas station, unless I drive 20 miles round trip.
Now how’s about you show a REAL natural monopoly that lasts more than a few years.
YKK is an obvious one.
@SRG
Never heard about it. Some monopoly…
@Truthfulness
Never heard about it. Some monopoly…
That makes you ignorant. Ever heard of the zipper?
Nope, got plenty of zippers from other brands though. Again, some monopoly…
There’s a reason distributism has faded away. And though I’m sympathetic to their spoken aims, Bellow and other Distributists never really developed a workable model to arrive at those ends. I cite it because it was a relatively major third way Style politics of the day. Tolkien ran in circles with Belloc and Chesterton and his writings indicate a fondness for distributisms aims. Though I don’t know if he ever gave explicit advocacy for it.
Thanks — did not know about the Tolkien link. Seems appropriate.
Even going so far as to claim it’s anarchistic, when really it’s probably just how most of the world functioned out of necessity until the modern state, with modern technology, arose.
To me, I can’t help but wonder if we didn’t lose something in that bargain. Don’t get me wrong. I’m 100% for the modern economy and modern technology. But, I can’t help but wonder if the Managerial State and the Managerial Society it spawned were, in fact, the only or even the best response to the challenges posed by industrialization, or if they were the most convenient to the unimaginative.
It may be the case that you simply can’t evolve from there to here, so to speak. If you could start from scratch, possibly, but not when taking natural development into account.
Wouldn’t hurt to start over.
Hobbits were intentionally written as simple and honest folks who were hard to corrupt. It is why they were chosen as the ring bearers. The choice of the hobbit was based on morality and corruption, not based on political beliefs.
And they were FAPP analogous to the English, as the Shire was analogous to rural England (pubs, etc.) so naturally Tolkien made them the heroes!
Care to cite this? I don’t remember Tolkien basing the hobbits on the English.
Read what Tom Shippey has to say:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shire#A_calque_upon_England
Tom (old acquaintance of mine btw) is a world authority on Tolkien (and had Tolkien’s old Chair).
Yet Tolkien still said no such thing. Don’t take Tom Shippey’s takes as being correct.
On the other hand, the Elves who opposed the elf-human intermarriages are generally presented as being in the wrong, and those couples are all great heroes of renown.
The Shire was an anarchist Utopia, which worked because it had the one thing all real-world attempts to create Utopia lacked: a better class of residents. The only real law enforcement needed is the Bounders, keeping non-Hobbit criminals out of the Shire, because Hobbits never commit any crimes worse than Merry’s and Pippin’s juvenile pranks.
As other posters have pointed out, the Scouring of the Shire rang false because, unlike Tolkien’s England there was no governmental apparatus for Saruman and Wormtongue to take over. Saruman would have had to bring an army to take over the Shire, and the Hobbits would have resisted such an occupation. It would have been easier to turn Barney Fife and Andy Griffiths into a Gestapo serving a foreign oppressor than to do that with the Shirrifs – and few Hobbits would have obeyed any Shirrif that did become oppressive, with or without a foreign army backing him up.
See this–
As someone who has only skimmed the appendixes at the end of The Return of the King, and not read the much lengthier, posthumously published Silmarillion, I can’t weigh in on the show’s fidelity to the Second Age’s history and characters.
This is where you should have stopped. Because you have no idea.
Particularly when you started here–
Lynch’s Dune is true in tone to the Herbert original, as was the miniseries. Villeneuve’s Dune, is, at best, a slightly woke combination of the two. And not close to the books at all.
It is not the travesty that Starship Troopers or the Rings of Power are, but that is still in question. We’ve seen one part.
Tolkien was not anti-statist. He was anti-authoritarian, anti-totalitarian, and anti-collectivist.
This is where you should have stopped. Because you have no idea.
Particularly when you started here–
Again, the prior statement is a “tell me you don’t know anything about what you’re talking about without telling me you don’t know what you’re talking about”. Amazon doesn’t own the rights to the Silmarillion. Whether you’ve read it or not is irrelevant to the story, they don’t have rights to the characters, places, or events in that story directly.
We can prove the author doesn’t know what he’s talking about from this:
The consensus seems to be the show is mostly succeeding at presenting a Middle Earth in its Second Age, in the words of National Review’s Jack Butler, “at once familiar to viewers and novel.”
The consensus? No, that was one of Amazon’s talking points before they allowed the non-selected reviews to actually come out. It is as much a consensus as “cloth masks work for Covid” is a consensus.
The overwhelming take from reviewers, now that anyone is allowed to review it, is that it’s utter shite with unlikable characters and not so much “familiar” as generic fantasy with some Tolkein names slapped on those unlikable characters.
Frankly, I haven’t bothered because so many of the reviews are so scathing and because I find the “call your fan base racist” marketing technique that’s so common these days to be repulsive.
How Faithful Is The Babylon Bee to Amazon’s The Rings of Power?
That’s actually pretty funny, because what I’m hearing of the series is the writers have fallen into that modern trap of “telling, not showing” and this parody does a pretty good job of doing that.
The sauntering squirrel at the beginning is exactly as Christopher Tolkien described.
“…we see two different visions of freedom.”
Well yeah! The freedom to live our lives in a manner most exactly pleasing to the wokeness of “Team D”, v/s the freedom to live our lives in a manner permitted by Dear Leader Putrump and His Minions!
(Did you know that Minions have layers? At least there is SOME variety among them… In some, the Layer of the Sacred Fartilized Human Egg Smell envelopes the other layers, and among other Minions, the outermost layers are “Hating the Illegal Sub-humans” and “NOT trading with ANYONE who is Less Righteous then MEEEE!”)
Although to be honest, “Team D” doesn’t seem to be any more pro-freedom than “Team R” with respect to immigration and trade. Not at the level of DEEDS and de-facto policies! Just nicer-sounding noises, for the most part…
The more interesting question is whether the Shire’s peasant anarchy could exist with a greater degree of openness to the outside world….The libertarian answer would be an obvious yes.
I don’t think it’s nearly that “obvious”. At all. The distaste for the outside world wasn’t a state-imposed mandate. It was a matter that the Hobbits weren’t, as a rule, all that interested in the outside world (and to be fair, if I lived in the Shire, I probably wouldn’t be all that interested in it, myself, given the awful state of affairs in the rest of Middle Earth). It’s just another manifestation of Reason’s derangement that cosmopolitanism = liberty or cosmopolitanism > liberty . It’s not. And I’d expect that someone calling himself a libertarian would be the first to recognize as much. By all accounts, both Sauron and Saruman seemed very cosmopolitan. They were also tyrannical dictators.
The more interesting question is whether the Shire’s peasant anarchy could exist with a greater degree of openness to the outside world….The libertarian answer would be an obvious yes.
The libertarian answer would NOT be an obvious ‘yes’. One possible libertarian answer is that it would NOT exist with the degree of openness to the outside world, because it exists because of its shared cultural values.
Ask the Hawaiians if their “peasant anarchy” survived with their openness to the world.
Yeah, but how many food trucks were there in the Shire? And I didn’t see any Hobbit sex workers! And what about trans Hobbits? Can you ever call yourself free if Hobbits aren’t expressing themselves by dressing up in women’s clothes?
“Look how libertarian and anarchistic the Hobbits are… why they don’t even have laws against abortion!”
“Yeah, um, that’s because no one in the Shire considers abortion to be a fucking option. No one has even really thought about it… It’s not a ‘thing’ and anyone who suggested it would be shunned.”
It’s a different thing to explicitly set up a world that’s “pro” or “anti” something, vs having a world where that thing is accepted (or unacceptable) because no one really explicitly accepted or rejected it, it was simply never discussed as an option. It’s a subtle distinction, but an important one.
There does seem to be a relationship between shared cultural values and political authority. And I’m not sure liberty in itself is sufficient to serve as the replacement for entire sets of values.
Shared values — the right shared values — make liberty a much better option. But it all ties together.
If you have a small society of people who, as part of their culture, abhor stealing, the guy who steals is not going to get anywhere once he’s known as a thief. Folks can do whatever they want when they genuinely don’t want to do harm to their neighbors and community.
As for the food trucks thing upthread, it’s a good question. I’m surprised that half the shire isn’t engaged in the the food cart industry, what with breakfast, second breakfast, elevensies, etc… those hobbits can EAT.
I think I saw one of the previews and haven’t seen more…haven’t gotten around to it. But I think longevity has something to do with it as well. So we have some kind of small town aspect to the hobbits and it’s continued that way for centuries, some kind of cultural inertia is going on. You could say why doesn’t their society devolve or change, unclear but it’s clear that it hasn’t. Probably because the hobbits aren’t economically that successful. They don’t produce great works of art or weapons of war. They don’t produce much of anything that larger neighbors might want. They’re not soldiers, wizards, archers or adventurers at least not in quantities that anyone cares about. So who is going to bother to bring in new ideas? If One Ring had been found elsewhere, not much of anything would happened to Hobbiton during the later books.
The Shire was small and isolated and peopled by halflings. It’s no coincidence that there were two known elf-human matings in all of history, but zero hobbit-whatever pairings. There just wouldn’t have been any reason for outsiders to move there. It’s not like there were signs in yards saying, “Southrons’ Lives Matters.” Or a central government forcing the locals to pony up to pay for low-income holes and subsidised baskets of mushrooms.
For God’s sake, Tolkein conceived of middle earth in the (very) early 20th century. England was probably 0.01% non-white. The idea we should view his work through a modern lense is beyond ridiculous.
Three human-elf pairings, please. (And that’s assuming you leave out any half-elven pairings – ie, Arwen and Aragorn don’t even count).
Whether it was two or three, or whether pairing of half-elves count, is not germain to my point.
“As someone who has only skimmed the appendixes at the end of The Return of the King, and not read the much lengthier, posthumously published Silmarillion, I can’t weigh in on the show’s fidelity to the Second Age’s history and characters.”
If you’d read the Silmarillion, you’d have known that most of it took place *before* the Second Age…oh, never mind.
And Númenor is Tolkien’s mixture of (SPOILER ALERT) the Atlantis legend and the Old Testament. The majority of Númenorians (including the rulers) end up worshipping Sauron (who at the time could disguise himself as an angel of light), the *actual* good angels drown the whole island, and only a remnant of faithful good guys escape the destruction.
I’d watch the series except it got seriously denounced in the reviews, so I’d just as soon not have the story ruined for me.
Not a bad series. They can’t use Silmarillion due to licensing, so they have to fill in the blanks of the appendices as best they can.
Hmm…it seems the critics like the series but regular viewers don’t.
Always a sign of a great show!
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/the_lord_of_the_rings_the_rings_of_power/s01
^ This guy gets it.
There are exceptions, but generally speaking if ‘critics’ love a series and ‘viewers’ think it’s shit it’s a tell-tale sign that it’s a thinly veiled lecture or is just so badly written that even the average viewer can see through the plot holes.
Occasionally it’s an amazing art film or something that challenges the viewer, but something tells me that isn’t the case with a big-tent Amazon show based on material they have no rights to.
I’m not watching it because Peter Jackson didn’t do it, and he was the only reason LotR films became a sensation for a new generation.
Even PJ’s Hobbit films were mostly filler from other sources, and it was clear his passion for the project wasn’t there for those films. Probably because they were 90% filler from other sources that were dry fake history texts. With that in mind, it was a near certainly that the Rings of Power would be shit given that they are 100% filler that aren’t even from the dry fake history texts, but rather the fevered imagination of a bunch of corporate writers.
Look at the positive reviewers and you see even more.
Most of them are OBVIOUSLY made up. They sound like tag lines from a movie poster. Click on the usernames and they’ll have only one review, or a couple of reviews on the same day, and that’s it. Disney buys reviews, too, it’s pretty common, but Amazon isn’t even good at hiding it.
And they did a horrible job, Brandybuck. Quit defending that tripe.
IIRC there’s a comment by Strider/Aragorn early in the book LotR that there are rangers and other folk out there who are vigilant in protecting places like the Shire without the hobbits realising it. That being the case, the hobbits are free-riders, though they don’t know it and the rangers don’t mind.
Protecting it? Sounds to me like, by the standards the staffers here have been pushing, the rangers are just refusing them access to the glories of diversity, cultural enrichment, and social dynamism. Shame on Aragorn!
They are free riders- after a fashion. And this is something that actually can’t be ignored. Even in the complete absence of Aragorn’s statement on protection of the Shire, it’s clear that the Shire would be completely incapable of defending itself against an aggressive invader.
Right. There’s no real anarchist mentality in place, nobody organizing a militia and nobody really stockpiling weapons. The Hobbits were uninterested in weapons. Saruman shows up with about 20 rough-looking men, no magic, and basically takes over the whole place in a week.
People are dedicating their lives to keeping dangerous marauders away from them, and the Hobbits don’t have to house them, feed them, or pay them. These people just do this for generations on end without fail. And there’s no Hobbit who ever has the idea of just setting up his own petty dictatorship, there’s basically no murders, no burglaries or thefts. It’s a very idealized society, it’s not something anyone could use as a model.
Razorfists review of the Rings of Power: We Wuz Rangs.
Haven’t seen a good Rageaholic video in a while. He gets up a pretty good head of steam, seems a tad tamer than I remember, but still nobody does rage anywhere near so well.
“J. R. R. Wolkien” indeed.
That doesn’t sound much like the Numenor I’ve read about.
At All.
Uh… maybe read the appendices and Silmarillion. Because Numenor was a quite statist society. So far it’s depiction as such is not at odds with the Tolkien sources.
Numenor represents a metaphorical Babylon. They tried to be gods, tried to sail to the Uttermost west, and the island sank because of it. But the faithful escaped, the remnants of the unfaithful became pirates and an evil people.
How about we don’t assume that just because you’re named after an aristocratic hobbit family that you’ve read more Tolkien than anyone else. Go get a copy of Morgoth’s Ring and get back with us.
Or Britches, it’s just a heroes journey tale. Get off Twitter and you’ll find not everything needs to be viewed through a modern political lens.
Tolkien’s dislike of allegory is a bit of a contrast with C. S. Lewis. Lewis did good allegory, but, boy, was he heavy-handed with it.
Also, if we *must* put allegory in LotR, the Shire is idyllic, to be sure, but also most of the people are clueless about the outside world and its threats (until those threats come to the Shire’s own doorstep). The heroes must leave the Shire and go into the highly dangerous and risky outside world to fight those outside dangers.
And when the wicked Saruman takes over, he finds willing Hobbit collaborators whose evil nature would otherwise have remained undeveloped.
“How Faithful Is The Rings of Power to J.R.R. Tolkien’s Anti-Statism?”
The fuck?
There is NOTHING anti-statist about a book that feature kings ordained by the gods to rule. The whole central conflict was between one set of rulers and another.
Did . . . did you only see the movies Britches and take the absence of explicit government in the hobbit scenes as the hobbits having no government?
Fucking Millennials.
There is also his strange expectation that a community that has minimal formal government would not be ruled by relatively conservative mores and customs. That it is rather more likely to have a shame based society with a minimal government.
This show has some terrible writing. It uses recent cliches only a millennial or younger wouldn’t know are from the last five or ten years. Then it tries its hand at coming up with some writing that sounds like something wise Tolkien would have written, and it’s laughable.
Some of the graphics are neat, though.
My review.
Boring. Needs nudity.
The major theme of LOTR is not political, it is not even good versus evil, per se. It is maintaining a sense of hope in the most dire circumstances and not giving into despair, even in the face of what ultimately is a long defeat. It is the rejection of the impulse towards nihilism. It is what drives Theoden’s and Denethor’s arc, and Frodo and Sam’s final climb of Mt. Doom.
Title: How Faithful Is The Rings of Power to J.R.R. Tolkien’s Anti-Statism?
Britschgi: “As someone who has only skimmed the appendixes at the end of The Return of the King, and not read the much lengthier, posthumously published Silmarillion, I can’t weigh in on the show’s fidelity to the Second Age’s history and characters.”
Me: “lol ok, so the author has literally no way to answer the question in his header, because he isn’t even familiar with the source material. Close article waste of time.”
Good to know I am not the only one not watching this series.