Americans Reject Biden's Divisive Rhetoric
The president’s Philadelphia “threats” speech gets thumbs-down from the public.

President Biden is discovering the hard way that standing at a podium bathed in blood-red light, flanked by marines, and denouncing your political opponents as threats to the country is not as popular a move as he hoped. Poll after poll finds Americans repulsed by the September 1 fear-fest in Philadelphia, which drew comparisons to V for Vendetta and Star Wars for its over-the-top authoritarian tone. The president tried to convince the country that his critics are dangerous, but he seems to have convinced many, instead, that the real peril lives in the White House.
"It represents a dangerous escalation in rhetoric and is designed to incite conflict among Americans" was the choice of 56.8 percent of respondents asked in a Trafalgar/Convention of States poll to characterize Biden's speech.* Another 35.5 percent called it "acceptable campaign messaging" and 7.7 percent weren't sure.
Sixty percent of respondents told the Harvard CAPS/Harris poll that the speech "divides [the country] and holds it back" while 54 percent added that it "was an example of fear mongering."
"62 percent of Americans believed Biden's comments about Trump and his MAGA followers 'increases division in the country,'" chimes in the I&I/TIPP poll. "Perhaps surprisingly, Democrats—at 73 percent—were more likely to say that Biden's MAGA comments increased division than either Republicans (50 percent) or independents (57 percent)."
That really is a bit of a surprise, though it might be that those who weren't already on Team Blue started with such low expectations that the president's exercise in frothing at the mouth didn't offer much more room for disappointment. After all, the Philadelphia speech came after Biden had already accused his political enemies of flirting with "semi-fascism."
It's true that President Biden's approval rating bounced back in recent weeks. The FiveThirtyEight average has him at merely 11 points underwater rather than the laughable 20 points he hit back in July. But the reaction to his "threats" speech suggests he's either poised to send his popularity back off a cliff, or that he's just firmed up his standing among the true believers while horrifying everybody else. Both Trafalgar and Harvard CAPS/Harris found a majority of Democrats favoring the speech in contrast to I&I/TIPP, so make of that what you will. Everybody found the event unpopular with the general public.
That said, Joe Biden isn't the entire Democratic Party. His foot-stomping doesn't necessarily mean bad news for co-partisans as they prepare for the midterm elections. But he's certainly not doing the brand any favors when he tears up his 2020 promises to act as a unifier.
"I don't look at this in terms of the way he does, blue states and red states," Biden insisted during the final debate of the campaign as he contrasted himself with then-President Donald Trump. "They're all the United States. … I'm running as a proud Democrat, but I'm going to be an American president."
An American president except for the half the country he calls out as representing "extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic" it appears. That he's not impressing anybody is clear when people are asked what really worries them.
"Do you think that the president Biden is fairly raising issues around MAGA Republicans or is the President trying to avoid talking about inflation, immigration, crime and other issues?" Harvard CAPS/Harris asked in its poll. A majority (59 percent) of respondents said the president is trying to change the subject at a time when people have serious concerns about the state of the country and the world beyond and his administrations is drawing lousy ratings pretty much across the board.
Even more concerning to the president and the ascendant progressive wing of the Democratic Party is where those polled see the real danger when it comes to political movements in the United States. Fifty-five percent of respondents in the Harvard CAPS/Harris survey said they're more concerned about "the socialist left" while 45 percent answered that they're more concerned about "MAGA Republicans."
Of course, it makes sense to focus on the "extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic" that you see actually controlling the White House and Congress, rather than an alternate extremism that's out of power. But the sizeable percentage worried about MAGA Republicans along with the looming midterm elections raise an important question: Why not both?
Authoritarian factions have taken dominant positions in both major political parties. Which faction is more dangerous is a matter of who is in a position to implement their policies and demonstrate how much harm they can do. At the moment, the Democrats control the presidency, the House, and (barely) the Senate and get to reap the lack of rewards for Americans' unhappiness with inflation, crime, and the general direction of the country. After the GOP inevitably gets back into a position of authority in D.C., it will have another opportunity to show how much damage it can inflict and maybe Americans will reconsider their assessment of relative perils.
But, right now, Joe Biden is president, and his party wields the power of the federal government. That includes the FBI, which raided the home of the last president, as well as the IRS, which just received an infusion of funds to extract more taxes from the population. Both vastly powerful agencies suffer declining public trust (as does the government overall). That leaves Americans, outside of the Democratic Party's core loyalists, deeply unimpressed when the person with the greatest authority over that vast apparatus tries to smear opponents as the real danger.
Keep in mind that a significant majority of Americans (67 percent as of 2017, according to Gallup) view big government as the greatest threat to the country. Standing at the head of that government and lashing out at your political enemies isn't how the president of the United States convinces people otherwise. Instead, it makes an already unpopular political figure look desperate, unhinged, and potentially the very danger he insists is posed by others.
Joe Biden did himself no favors with that inflammatory speech in Philadelphia. He almost certainly worsened political strife in an already divided country that certainly could have used the moderate unifier he promised to be on the campaign trail far more than the inarticulate demagogue he's been since taking office. Whether he damaged his party's prospects in the process is something we'll discover only when voters cast their ballots in November.
* This column has been updated to correct the name of a poll.
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To paraphrase Tom Wolfe: "The dark night of fascism is always descending on the GOP and yet lands only on the Democrats.”
You know who else that dark night descended on?
The Joker?
Exactly..a cheesy example of Dem desperation, led by a demented political hack. These leftist wannabes will be punished come November. They can look out from their elitist bicoastal blue redoubts and see the “red” tidal wave.
"He almost certainly worsened political strife in an already divided country that certainly could have used the moderate unifier he promised to be on the campaign trail far more than the inarticulate demagogue he always has been."
Fixed it for you.
Well. you have to remember that half of the public that gave his speech a thumbs-down are those dangerous extremist Nazi white supremacist Superduper MAGA Republicans.
Morlocks.
Cavity creeps!
Unfortunately his gestapo doesn’t reject it.
The embarrassing part is that Reason wasn't able to reach this conclusion by themselves.
An entire group of opinion writers, and nobody called this out in real time. On the Reason podcast we learned that our editor in chief was married to the thesis that it was just a normal stump speech.
Only one stood up for the "no, this is pretty dark" proposition.
Remember the "dark" State of the Union? Everybody said it was dark. Even before it started. Reason was all over it. So dark.
Add up every mean tweet, every sarcastic speech line, every dumbest remark... you cannot add up to the Nazi speech of Biden. Not by the measure of "Dark" or authoritarian... or by my measure "scary".
Dude stood up and presented himself as a Nazi dictator, called for the oppression of political opposition. With violence. Said the political opposition was a threat to the nation. Not wrong. An existential threat. Used the phrase " clear and present danger"... the justification for military action.
And only one guy at the nation's flagship magazine for freedom even saw that it was sketchy. But nobody wrote the article without a survey to support their opinion.
Something is wrong. This shouldn't be hard.
Shorter version:
Libertarians should be comfortable with "both parties suck". This is our standard position. It is easy.
So stop with the mental block of "I hate Trump so I support anyone who is on the other side." It is the position of a 5 year old.
It's so much more mature than "Anyone but Hillary" or "Anyone but Obama."
Conservatives are so above that shit, right?
Not a leftist.
Sad!
Nope. Not a conservative either. Too bad you're so incredibly stupid that you honestly believe people are either or.
Too bad you're so incredibly stupid that you honestly believe people are either or.
This is pretty amusing from someone who calls anyone critical of the Dems or the left generally not just cons but Trumpists.
Standards are those things used to judge other people. In fact the key takeaway from sarc is that there is no criticism he makes of anyone (this either/or, "schoolyard insults", "ideas!") that he is not guilty of. It's delusional.
Lots of people are neither, including many on this site. They don’t spend all their time defending one side and attacking the other though.
durp durp
You're not very bright are you.
"...So stop with the mental block of "I hate Trump so I support anyone who is on the other side." It is the position of a 5 year old."
And yields results like droolin' Joe.
Let’s just hope that Darth Brandon doesn’t take a sloppy Joe in his diapers on this visit to England.
The "lesser of two evils" is still evil.
He also used the phrase “dagger to the throat of democracy.”
67% of us are hoping he just plagiarized that….
"Dude stood up and presented himself as a Nazi dictator, called for the oppression of political opposition. With violence. Said the political opposition was a threat to the nation. Not wrong. An existential threat. Used the phrase " clear and present danger"... the justification for military action."
This is such a nuts take on the speech. You must be delusional.
Those who use and incite political violence and attempt to violently overthrow the government are not "oppressed" "with violence" when they get arrested and jailed.
What Trump and MAGA did on January 6th is unprecedented, at least since Fort Sumter, which was a declaration of war. The radical side of MAGA have been foaming to start a civil war and for Trump to execute Democrat politicians as well as "RINOs" (= anyone who isn't lockstep with Trump) in "The Storm." Those were the kind of crazies Biden was clearly talking about.
Of course, one has to wonder, after all this unprecendented criminality, violence, authoritarianism etc., who still stands with Trump but those who endorse those things? One can be a Republican without being "a MAGA Republican", but MAGA made their bed when they started a coup.
I should clarify
"Those who use and incite political violence and attempt to violently overthrow the government IN A DEMOCRACY WITH RULE OF LAW are not "oppressed" "with violence" when they get arrested and jailed."
It’s the great new game show sweeping the nation: Whoooo Is It, Fifty-Center or Sock?
It's hard to tell when they just speak in lefty talking points.
That’s why it’s such a great game!
It has nothing to do with "Lefty talking points" you brainwashed rube.
I was extremely critical of BLM rioting and attacking law enforcement as well, and if it was communists stalking elected officials in the halls of power trying to stop an election and attack elected politicians, I would be condemning them just as harshly. "Side" doesn't matter. I would condemn libertarians for doing the same thing.
It's made worse that the violence to disrupt a constitutional peaceful transfer of power was all based on a total lie by a guy who had a complete reality break and had cult crazies whispering in his ear to try to get the military to seize voting machines and to put in slates of fake electors to override the democratic outcome. The entire episode was completely unnecessary, especially when Trump couldn't prove any of his claims in a court of law, and still hasn't to this day.
Interesting that you use the words reality break, and cult crazies when you write your fictional account.
Where was my "fictional account", gaslighter?
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-directly-involved-plans-seize-voting-machines-reports-2022-02-01/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot
Cops died, guns on site, Trump called for violence, Etc. You're making this to fucking easy.
Only Trump called elections stolen (memory holing every Democrat who has done so since 2000). Shall we continue?
So 50-center or sock soldier?
yup its a sock
What sock? I used to post all the time here before Trump bootlickers decided to use Reason comments as their litterbox.
You see, I am one of those cosmopolitan "bleeding heart libertarians" who are supposed to be well represented here. Oh well, you guys can have it.
Bullshit. I've been posting since 2001. Haven't seen a post from you before.
Almost ten years for me. Never seen you before.
Alternatively, simply a stupid fuck.
Doesn’t make for a catchy game show name though.
P—r—dy
Um, I’d like to buy a vowel….
Get help.
Yep, we dodged a bullet (or maybe a nuclear holocaust). Think back to all the other episodes in human history when a bunch of yahoos taking selfies in the sacred capital building caused the government to crumble. (And actually crumble, not the imaginary snowflake version.)
Oh, that's all that happened? I thought a cop was murdered and a hundred others injured, as a mob baying for blood (including lynching the Vice President) vandalized offices and broke through barricades hunting for the politicians who were about to hand over power to the winner of a free and fair election?
If Black Lives Matter did the same thing, I bet none of you would be calling it a "bunch of yahoos taking selfies." And I would be condemning it just as strongly.
I thought a cop was murdered and a hundred others injured
You thought wrong.
Ah ok, just so we are clear who is not living in reality. It's you.
FULLY ASSULT FIRE-EXTINGUISHER!!!!!!
They should ban those things!
Come on. We all saw Hero of the Republic Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick (PBUH) resting in state at the Capitol after being savagely beaten to death with a vibranium fully automatic assault fire extinguisher filled with bear spray and HATE.
They did, but don't remember because you were told they were mostly peaceful protests by places like CNN. And you belived it because you are an idiot.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/501028-trump-was-rushed-to-white-house-bunker-due-to-breach-of-temporary/
I thought a cop was murdered
If Black Lives Matter did the same thing, I bet none of you would be calling it a "bunch of yahoos taking selfies."
No cops were murdered on Jan 6, but several murders occurred at BLM riots. Revealingly leftists minimize BLM rioting and while absurdly pretending the Jan 6 protest and riot were a "coup" attempt. This just shows how absurdly biased the analysis must be to support the leftist worldview.
This place has lost all basic sense of "Reason." Neither I nor Joe Biden ever minimized (and both of us explicitly condemned) "BLM rioting." I am not a "Leftist" nor a Democrat, nor a Biden fan, nor do I support CRT or whatever weird radical idea you want to paint on me. I am a pragmatic center-libertarian.
I am a pragmatic center-libertarian.
Pragmatic center libertarians do not excuse far left demagogues who accept political violence on their behalf. Trump condemned violence too, yet those words are judged against other and actions. The consistent tactic of Biden whitewashers like yourself is to focus solely on one statement ignoring any context similar to that used to impeach Trump's words. So for example leftists claim Trump supported violence because he waited three hours to tell people to go home peacefully. By contrast, Biden waited weeks which included many riots, not just one, yet they accept his words uncritically. During that time Dems supported the riots by denying basic police procedure. They further sought to minimize legal consequences for rioters by publicly refusing to arrest them in the first place, dropping charges that would normally be pressed, and developing a legal fund to support them. Biden criticized none of these actions.
Legitimate analysis includes context from all parties. Poor analysis excludes it from all. But only partisan / ideological propaganda includes or excludes context based on whether it helps their allies or hurts their enemies. This is your chosen style.
... and you stated that a cop was murdered on Jan 6. That DID NOT HAPPEN. Sicknick died of natural causes unrelated to Jan 6.
To me, you lost all credibility when you made that claim.
The way I see it, the Jan 6 incident was a bunch of pissed off voters who believed the election was stolen by Biden and the Democrats. They engaged in civil disobedience and did some property damage at the capitol. Some are guilty of criminal activity. But it is ludicrous to call this incident an insurrection, while completely ignoring two years worth of Antifa and BLM rioting in multiple US cities, with multiple murders and millions of dollars worth of damage to public and private property is just par for the course for Democrats, the media, and the left.
No "cop was murdered".
One died a few days later of a stroke, and 4 more committed suicide over the next several months.
Look it up yourself.
You've been lied to, and you swallowed it.
You're right - the initial widely reported information turned out to be wrong based on a much later (3 months afterwards) medical examiner's report. I stand corrected. Still I would not be surprised if the trauma from getting pepper sprayed and attacked can trigger a stroke in a person with pre-existing health problems.
Cops were being violently assaulted - there is lots of video available - and the violent intentions towards politicians of many in the mob were more than evident by their own words and actions. The lack of direct cop-murder does not change anything about the nature of the attack on the peaceful transfer of power.
Suppose for a moment that the claims about the election were true (I don't claim that they are, BTW). What should people do in that case?
The real question is....why did it take you over a year and a half before you learned the truth of the situation? Doesn't that ring any alarm bells for you?
There’s also a lot of video or Ray Epps, and of people being let into the capital. But that doesn’t fit the narrative so you ignore it.
Of Ray Epps.
Cops weren't being violently assaulted either. Watch the fucking video. Shit it's been out since it happened. Not only weren't cops assaulted they actually removed the gates and unlocked the doors. For fuck sake, do you have anything that is truthful?
Oh, well that explains it. You haven't watched the news since January 7th.
No cop was murdered, just a citizen by a cop.
Is this a parody?
Come one Cyto, play the game.
Fifty-center or sock?
There’s wonderful prizes!
Dead cop bit makes me think it is white mike.
wearing a white sock?
the other sock must've gotten lost in the dryer
It was probably full of leftover Tony and Jeff. Had to throw it out.
Like a matching sock with two quarters stuffed in it?
P—r—-dy
OK I already bought one vowel….
Par—-dy
Yeah I think I’ll buy another one…NO,NO WAIT!! I’d like to SOLVE!!!!
He is not even using new talking points. The lie that a cop was murdered hasn't been pushed for at least a year.
"What Trump and MAGA did on January 6th is unprecedented, at least since Fort Sumter, which was a declaration of war. "
You need to utter this nonsense through a breathing device all while wearing a black-caped outfit and a stern, shiny mask. It just doesn't work as well in printed form.
At the very least it needs moar bold.
And this is a completely nuts take on Jan 6. It was a protest where a bunch of meat heads got out of control. There was clearly no coherent plan and no one attempted to do anything that would conceivably lead to the overthrow of the government or overturning the election. Maybe a few people thought that that was what they were doing, but that doesn't mean that the entire event and everyone involved was doing "insurrection".
"It was a protest where a bunch of meat heads got out of control."
So a riot?
"There was clearly no coherent plan and no one attempted to do anything that would conceivably lead to the overthrow of the government or overturning the election."
That's because the cops finally started shooting when they tried to break through the last-stand barricades. We have no idea what these Proud Boys folks and QAnon nuts with weapons (including guns), zipties, Confederate flags and Auschwitz shirts chanting "Hang Mike Pence!" would have done had they actually been able to reach the places where the politicians were.
They probably would have reached the Inner Sanctum, grabbed the Gauntlet of Power, and finally seized control of the United States of America!!
But we'll never know, because they were foiled!
Or even worse, hoisted their Confederate flags and Gadsden shirts in place of the American flag and made us all Southerners against our will!
Or used the abbreviation 2A. Did you read Facebook was monitoring private messages and turned over anyone who dares question the elections or mentioned the 2A to the FBI to investigate? Or that the FBI investigated a veteran, found he was no threat but continued to label him a domestic terror threat because he spoke against the government? Yeah that is totally justified. The number of whistleblowers coming out of the DoJ is extraordinary but outside a few news sources, getting no coverage.
What ever happened to that no fly list? Are people being added to it based on this?
@Don’t Tread On Me!” <- EEK! A SNAKE ON THE PLANE!!!
I have had it with these motherfucking snakes on this motherfucking plane!
Yes, all those guns that the insurrectionists brought. How many were there, again?
There was no guns. The guns found were in a locked, parked car blocks away from the riot. Man, you don't even have the basic facts right.
We have no idea what these Proud Boys folks and QAnon nuts with weapons (including guns), zipties,
In reality there were no guns and the zipties were found inside (police supplies), not brought with them. You can tell a lot about someone by whose propaganda they repeat long after it's been discredited.
What Trump and MAGA did on January 6th is unprecedented,
At least since the left did it to Bush.
But they did it to Trump at his pre-election rallies, at his inauguration, at his speeches, when they took over the Senate office building, when they rioted over Kavanaugh, when they burned DC REPEATEDLY.
And it was the fucking Dems at Ft Sumpter, too.
Unprecedented. The only thing that was unprecedented is that the right tried to do something to stop this coup.
And yet, when people who did violence against the Mark O. Hatfield Courthouse in Portland were actually arrested, many spokesholes, including Reason's own Jacob Sullum, complained about kIdNaPpInG pEaCeFuL pRoTeStErS aNd pUtTiNg ThEm In UnMaRkEd VaNs.
They privele3ged the claims of one Mark Pettibone.
They excused the actions of the Walls of Moms and Walls of Vets who were covering for rioters and arsonists.
They are ethically estopped from complaining about the Capitol riot.
Hi! Little Chinese girl!
Exactly. And very well said.
That's been what's bothered me for a few years at Reason. The staff increasingly looks like their primary commitment is to lifestyle cosmopolitanism more than liberty. Even if you buy the "normal stump speech" bunkum (I think that's imbecilic), normal stump speeches aren't given in Independence Hall flanked by Marines. This government is looking extremely dangerous for individual liberty. And the best I'm seeing from the staffers around here (I get more from the commentariat) is hopes that the regime will give them slightly hipper circuses to go with their bread dole. But, the cosmopolitanism the staffers here seem so wedded to is a consequence of liberty.
On that angle, the white house said it was not political and it was paid for entirely by taxpayers. Yes, including the Nazi lighting.
That was a campaign event. Zero discussion needed on that point... yet nobody even comments any more.
It has not been long ago that using the wrong phone for fundraising was a serious FEC violation and potentially a criminal offense.
So, even if ENB is right and it was just a stump speech, the Libertarian article is about the misuse of pu lic funds for partisan political purposes.... not "stop criticizing Biden for his speech because it wasn't so terrible."
They do nor really believe in liberty. They believe in a specific set of government granted policy positions.
Military action with "clear and present danger" is not the half of it. It is a legal term of art for justifying setting aside constitutionally protected civil liberties. It is language that would have had the staff in a faint under a GOP presiddent.
You said it better than I did. Well done.
To paraphrase Joseph Goebbels:
"It's too bad we can't seem to win people's hearts. But at least we still have power based on weapons!"
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/08/31/joe-biden-threatens-political-enemies-f-15-jets/
"They're all the United States. … I'm running as a proud Democrat, but I'm going to be an American president."
One President to rule them all...
Nah, Biden is not the Evil One. At best, he is a semi-functional minion only partially aware.
I was more speaking to the oddity of people, including the libertarians at Reason, just acting like unification is an assumed good and to the position/Ring, not the man.
Like if Sauron were a Sun God bringing order to a Universe he deemed to chaotic, all the orcs, enslavement, and war would be OK.
Those hobbits are total shitlords on Twitter.
I don't buy that. An abusive older person w/ a long history of bullying, which biden has, is not something to take lightly. Yes, he is stupid, in that he couldn't come up w/ domestic or foreign policy to save his career. That said, he is a master at pandering, wheedling, lying, blaming others for his shortcoming, taking credit for others' accomplishments. Maybe not the Evil One, but the willing puppet.
GRAB YER TIKI TORCHES BOYS! TRUMP SAYS TO FIGHT LIKE HELL!
In case you haven’t read it, here is the thread where Overt gives the proof that Sarah Palin’s Buttplug was banned for posting links to child pornography, with links, including one to the wayback machine. It’s a worthwhile read to understand who SPB is.
https://reason.com/2022/08/06/biden-comforts-the-comfortable/?comments=true#comment-9635696
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, a TDS-addled pile of lefty shit and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
Are you o.k.?
Well, I don't reject it whatsoever.
Anyone who actually listened to the speech knows Biden simply condemned the use and appeasement of political violence, the disruption of democracy and threatening law enforcement and election officials with violence, which goes all the way up to Trump himself, and thus trickles back down to those who continue to follow him in spite of his blatant criminality and justifications of extremism, anti-democracy and violence.
MAGA is a gaslit pseudoreligious cult whose version of truth is based upon the incoherent ramblings of a pathological liar they see as a Messiah and an anonymous 4Chan poster. That cult is vocal enough to bind the GOP to Trump, and out of fear of getting Lizzed, the GOP refuse to investigate his disgraceful election lies that led to the murder of cops and the justified homicide of his follower and the first attempted coup in US history. Trump and MAGA made a concerted effort to actively violate the right to vote of millions of Americans, who had rejected him by a wide margin.
There is no "bothsidesism" when it comes to rejecting those who reject rule of law. Without rule of law, there is no fundamental basis for having rights to begin with. If one party went full communist or Nazi, no one rational or libertarian would be calling for playing footsie with them, so divisiveness is what it is.
Trump is an anonymous 4chan poster?
Dude, your PDF is scrambled.
Q is an anonymous 4Chan poster. The cult of QAnon is deeply engrained into MAGA's violent radicalization to the point they are now almost inseperable.
Trump just jumped into bed with Q the other day, retweeting about "The Storm" and "WWG1WGA".
Biden didn’t mention Q in his speech. I wish he had though, it would have been hilarious!
Oh, bunk.
I've never met a "Q" person, and I've attended Trump rallies and SCOPE meetings.
It's a barely existent fringe-of--fringe that no one would have heard of if not for a bunch of lefty panty-twisting.
I’ve always assumed it’s a fed fishing expedition.
Dude, your PDF is scrambled.
You're talking to a fried out junkie and not the Agile Cyborg kind. The kind that's still ranting about Reagan and Star Wars, Carter and Secret Courts, or Bush and 9/11.
We're 2 years on from Trump. Even most of the Reason staff, which most of us thought might never be cured of TDS, have started to display the telltale amnesiac signs of starting to recover.
proprietist is still in the throes and may never recover if he was ever not just another Misek or SPB 2. Just mute and move on.
Even most of the Reason staff, which most of us thought might never be cured of TDS
But the comment section is still populated with holdovers of the Trump Cult - kind of like those Japanese soldiers who kept defending the Emperor years after WW2 ended.
You posted links to child pornography.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Look you can just come out and say you're homosexual.
It's 2022 FFS!
"You're talking to a fried out junkie and not the Agile Cyborg kind. The kind that's still ranting about Reagan and Star Wars, Carter and Secret Courts, or Bush and 9/11."
The F are you talking about?
"Even most of the Reason staff, which most of us thought might never be cured of TDS, have started to display the telltale amnesiac signs of starting to recover."
"Trump Derangement Syndrome" is a fallacy used to dismiss people who are angry that Trump is a gaslighting liar and egomaniac who believes he is above the law and flirts with dictators and white nationalists while his violent cult of personality bents one of the major parties to his every whim. Everyone around him who worked with him and escaped knows the man is not living in reality - even his former closest allies like Bill Barr and Mike Pence.
Would you be saying the Jews had "Hitler Derangement Syndrome" or critics of Stalin had "Stalin Derangement Syndrome"?
What libertarian dismisses rational anger at a politician who abuses his power and office?
"The F are you talking about?"
Not "what', "who". You.
Well, don't put words in my mouth I never said, you gaslighting weirdo. I am not a conspiracy theorist "ranting about Bush and 9/11." That sounds more like MAGA and Alex Jones.
The only one gaslighting is you, pushing long disproven 'facts' to further your narrative.
Fuck You, Prog Shill
And yes, we are two years on from Trump, and yet he is still the undeniable king of the Republican Party, kingmaking the candidates as the elected politicians in his party make excuses and obstruct investigations for his crimes. He is also very likely to be the nominee in two years, and has all but said he is running.
In what world can we pretend he is not still the most relevant person in American politics?
It is so tragic that the Reason comment section is crawling with MAGA creeps, as if a man who openly admits he would rather have Putin or Xi's absolute dictatorial powers is living in the same dimension as libertarians.
The only case any so-called libertarians ever make that Trump wasn't a complete disaster is that all the authoritarian things he really wanted to do got blocked by better people, and he burned all bridges so could not get any policies passed. It has nothing to do with what Trump was pushing to happen.
Can you elucidate on any of the Totally Dictatorial Things that Trump wanted to do that were blocked? Or were his dumb words just bluster, like 80% of what he says, and that's why sane people aren't concerned?
Now, if his policies were being shut down by the SC as unconstitutional and then he went ahead and did them anyway (ahem Biden and rent moratoriums) or if he tried to do unprecedented things via executive order instead of through congress (ahem Biden and loan forgiveness) or if he painted half the country as a "clear and present danger" (ahem Biden and his Hitler speech), then you might have a point about a wannabe dictator.
But remember when he took full advantage of the Pandemic to seize Emergency Powers and declare Martial Law??? He was LITERALLY Marcos!!!
blatant criminality and justifications of extremism, anti-democracy and violence.
But enough about the FBI...
"Well, I don't reject it whatsoever."
I am sure some people felt the same way about speeches given by Stalin, Hitler, Pot, Kim, Castro, and Hussein. What's a good term for those people?
Please remind me when Stalin, Hitler, Pot, Kim, Castro, and Hussein were giving speeches condemning all political violence and attempts to overthrow democracy, and defending the right to privacy and rule of law and free and fair elections.
"This is a nation that honors our Constitution. We do not reject it. This is a nation that believes in the rule of law. We do not repudiate it. This is a nation that respects free and fair elections. We honor the will of the people. We do not deny it. And this is a nation that rejects violence as a political tool. We do not encourage violence. We are still an America that believes in honesty and decency and respect for others. Patriotism, liberty, justice for all, hope, possibilities — we are still at our core a democracy."
It's just like Mein Kampf, no?
"Please remind me when Stalin, Hitler, Pot, Kim, Castro, and Hussein were giving speeches condemning all political violence and attempts to overthrow democracy, and defending the right to privacy and rule of law and free and fair elections..."
Whoa. got a live one here, don't we?
Right, the false equivalency was completely dismantled so now we move on to ad hominems and appeals to the stone.
You haven't disproven anything. You don't even have a basic understanding of the facts. You said a cop was killed... False never happened. You said they had guns... Again false, never happened. You said Trump called for violence... False again, I'm his speech he specifically called for peaceful protests. So far nothing you've asserted is anything close to factual. As such, you haven't disproven anything. You have however, proven you accepted blatantly false talking points and have refused to adjust your opinion when presented with actual evidence. You also have proven that this is all about your hatred of Trump supporters and as such you are covering for Biden's extremely unAmerican, totalitarian speech.
BTW, as anyone will tell you, I've condemned Trump and condemned the riot on January 6th. I further condemn the demaguery that you and Biden are engaged in. I further condemn anyone who labels someone a domestic threat for protected speech. The riots aren't protected speech but calling the election stolen is. Period. Just like how Hillary still maintains 2016 was stolen and Abrams still says 2018 was stolen. If MAGA is a threat because of this, so is Hillary and Abrams and Gore and Kerry.
Let me guess: you were a big fan of your high school principal.
You're up awfully early for having spent all last night breaking store windows.
Yeah, haha, I condemn political violence and rioting, and therefore I must have been out committing Kristallnacht II...
You idiot.
I'm not the one creaming my pants at modern Nuremberg rallies.
+1
Yes, that "modern Nuremberg rally" where neo-Hitler condemned all political violence and called for more liberal democracy, equal protections and rule of law.
Oh but the lighting was so scary!
That an he basically called his political opponents enemies of the state and of the people.
That’s actually a very Hitler/Stalin thing to say.
They wrapped their demonization around nice words about their favorite country, too.
He called those who support and incite political violence and undermine democracy a "threat to this country." And he is right.
"And here, in my view, is what is true: MAGA Republicans do not respect the Constitution. They do not believe in the rule of law. They do not recognize the will of the people. They refuse to accept the results of a free election, and they’re working right now as I speak in state after state to give power to decide elections in America to partisans and cronies, empowering election deniers to undermine democracy itself."
"MAGA forces are determined to take this country backwards, backwards to an America where there is no right to choose, no right to privacy, no right to contraception, no right to marry who you love. They promote authoritarian leaders, and they fanned the flames of political violence that are a threat to our personal rights, to the pursuit of justice, to the rule of law, to the very soul of this country."
Biden gave a full-throated condemnation of violent anti-democratic authoritarians and you weirdos are acting like he IS the violent anti-democratic authoritarian.
CPAC just invited Viktor Frickin Orban to be their keynote speaker and MAGA opinion leaders defend autocratic losers like Putin. A libertarian or liberal minded person SHOULD "demonize" illiberal autocracy fans, and reject them from polite society.
The average MAGA voter may be a mere victim of a binary political system and right-wing media brainwashing, but the fact they continue to actively support Trump in spite of his open fetishization of dictators, winking knowingly at white Christian nationalists and crazy internet conspiracy theories, criminal behavior, rejection of the rule of law and unfathomable dishonesty suggests they are actually supportive of these things.
Up until MAGA, I have always been the "both sides suck, there is no major difference between the parties" Libertarian. However, MAGA IS pseudo-fascist and also in complete control of the GOP. Trump picks the candidates and purges his enemies. He says "jump!" and even the Republicans who hate his guts say "how high?"
If radical socialists actually controlled the Democratic Party I would be similarly concerned, but they are outliers, not the establishment, which is still thoroughly capitalist to its core.
I get it: when your favorite authoritarian talks like Hitler, he’s absolutely correct, unlike Literal Hitler, who’s a Hitler.
Sounds legit.
Radical socialist do control the democratic party. Where have you been for the past decade? Under a rock? Fuck you're stupid. You haven't yet got even basic facts correct.
What do you call the Inflation Reduction Act? Student loan forgiveness? Politically motivated investigations? Using threats against private companies to achieve censorship? Oh, you're correct that isn't socialism. It's actually far closer to fascism. Private ownership directed by and controlled by the government is the very definition of fascism. They even have a racial component to it called CRT and white privilege and equity.
You could be such a decent person if you turned off the fucking FOX News machine and just read a real newspaper for once.
You are being used by assholes, soldermedic.
Don't watch Fox News. And this is funny coming from the MSNBC sycophant.
Then you are one of those people who is permitted to use the internet without any research skills.
Without knowing how to distinguish reliable sources from shit propaganda, you have to be aware of the strong human tendency to seek out only that information that confirms a preexisting worldview. It's so strong, if you aren't constantly on guard for it, you are 100% guaranteed to find yourself someone's ass monkey.
It's just thinking scientifically. Seek to disprove the things you believe, not prove them. And once you've consulted all the mainstream sources of information, and your belief remains, then you can provisionally count on it to be somewhat accurate.
If radical socialists actually controlled the Democratic Party I would be similarly concerned, but they are outliers, not the establishment, which is still thoroughly capitalist to its core.
Would a thoroughly capitalist party pass the CFPB, an agency unaccountable to elected authority with the power to tell businesses what products it can offer, what fees it can charge, and control any other aspect of its business?
Would a democratic party or an autocratic one transfer a trillion dollars in debt from recipients to taxpayers by fiat?
This is how we identify leftists from leftists pretending to be centrists. When you test their beliefs they can only be maintained by ignoring the evidence.
Biden gave a full-throated condemnation of violent anti-democratic authoritarians
In fact he gave a mealy mouthed response only after his lack of response began to hurt him in the polls, and he never pressured other Dems to stop the rioting as he would have had he actually opposed it.
Republicans want to punish social media companies that don't publish right-wing propaganda against their will, in direct violation of the first amendment.
The crap you're talking about is just moving dollars around, which is the job of every government.
Republicans want to punish social media companies that don't publish right-wing propaganda against their will, in direct violation of the first amendment.
It's funny Tony asserts this the week the Biden Administration is revealed to be pressuring social media companies to punish their enemies. Even more amusing that he does so without evidence continuing his perfect streak of asserting what he wishes were true instead of what is actually true.
The crap you're talking about is just moving dollars around, which is the job of every government.
At least he quit pretending to be a libertarian.
Pushing to host all speech vs Biden using the government to censor speech he doesn't like. Seems the two are not equivalent.
Oh, they're not pressuring nearly hard enough. If I had my way, social media would be regulated so strictly it would be reduced to cat videos and wedding registries (with strong content moderation).
But that wouldn't violate the first amendment, as when Republicans target social media companies for not publishing their political viewpoints against their will.
“If I had my way, social media would be regulated so strictly it would be reduced to cat videos and wedding registries (with strong content moderation).
But that wouldn't violate the first amendment,”
Your idea of the first amendment sounds incredibly anti-free speech.
Biden had no problem with political violence when BLM rioters were trying to burn down a federal courthouse with people trapped inside.
Go back to Mother Jones.
This is blatantly untrue, you weirdo.
“Protesting such brutality is right and necessary. It’s an utterly American response. But burning down communities and needless destruction is not. Violence that endangers lives is not. Violence that guts and shutters businesses that serve the community is not. The act of protesting should never be allowed to overshadow the reason we protest. It should not drive people away from the just cause that protest is meant to advance.”
- Joe Biden
How many investigations has Biden launched into BLM? How many into anyone of the right? Actions speak louder than words.
SOCK IT IS
Nah. Occam's razor says "stupid shit".
Do you trolls have anything to offer besides ad hominems and other fallacies.
RIP "Reason".
I think you alternative facts posters who show up during political campaigns and then disappear after Election Day like obedient dogs are incredibly insightful.
"Alternative facts"? Yes, Reuters and Associated Press, very "alternative." Even repeating what Trump himself said with links and evidence is "alternative facts" to MAGA gaslighting trolls.
Sorry that I find the New York Times more credible than some shady Russian propaganda right-wing "news" site, Infowars and 4Chan posters' conspiracy theories. But I'm the "alternative" one, huh?
"show up during political campaigns"
Yes, because here I am, encouraging everyone to get out the vote for Democrats...not.
Wait, why am I taking the bait? This was just another ad hominem troll attack.
"Sorry that I find the New York Times more credible..."
You should be sorry.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
The NYT that has been caught multiple times pushing false narratives the past three decades? You find them credible. That says a lot!
I'm sorry that you're such an ignorant fool that you think the newspaper that let Jayson Blair just make up the "news" for two years - and did not detect this until it was exposed on the internet - can ever be credible.
Do you trolls have anything to offer besides ad hominems and other fallacies.
From the guy calling others "weirdos". I'm starting to think it must be sarc. As far as I remember he's the only one who plays victim because others are doing something he also does in the same thread.
Or maybe they're just both addicts and the bipolar waffling between insulting people and pretending to be above insulting people is one side effect of addiction.
See, the ad hominems continue. You are more obsessed with attacking whoever other poster you think I am than any of my points. As if people who hate MAGA and Trump are rare, and there are only a few of us in the world. There are just few stupid enough to waste their time here when you guys have clearly got squatters rights on the comments board.
The "anything to offer besides" part is relevant. Name-calling goes with the territory, but I am also making valid points about what Trump and MAGA actually support, what Biden actually said and that libertarians are supposed to be "divisive" towards anti-democratic autocrats.
There are many people who hate MAGA and Trump. The news sources you seem to rely on are heavily infested with people like that; people who have openly dropped any pretense of impartiality because they think Trump is a threat to democracy.
You and Sam Harris are peas in a pod.
You are more obsessed with attacking whoever other poster you think I am than any of my points.
Hardly, I've refuted your points elsewhere. Your victim posing in the same thread you engage in ad hominem is simply too funny to pass up.
libertarians are supposed to be "divisive" towards anti-democratic autocrats.
They should, and yet you lie to protect Biden.
Has he got anything factually correct yet? All his 'facts' are long discredited talking points that were widely disproven as soon as they were made. And he says that were the gaslighters.
It's revealing people who don't know the first thing about it nevertheless carry on like they're the world experts. If my sources turned out that unreliable I'd STFU until I found new ones. But leftists live in an artificial environment where being right isn't important. Repeating stupid shit that supports Dems / the left proves your political loyalty which is far more important both professionally and personally.
Who’s the one who has a confused grasp of ad hominem? I can’t remember if that’s Sarc…
MAGA is a gaslit pseudoreligious cult whose version of truth is based upon the incoherent ramblings of a pathological liar they see as a Messiah and an anonymous 4Chan poster.
Yeah, pretty much...but still better than the gaslit pseudoreligious socialist authoritarian woke cancel culture on the left.
If there was only an alternative to ideological mob partisanship that Reason could promote.
If illiberal CRT radicals calling for seizing the homes of white people had complete control over the Democratic Party (to the point where they were able to get internal critics thrown out of office) and were trying to overturn democratic election results with violence, yeah, I would be completely condemning them as just as bad or worse.
Radicals exist on all sides. The problem is when the radicals have overpowered the establishment and bent them to their will to where they can get away with violence and extremism under the threat that they will be run out of office. That is what has happened with the Republicans. Their party leader is literally out there tweeting QAnon memes.
IF? They have. Do you condemn BLM and demand it be abolished?
https://nypost.com/2020/08/14/seattle-blm-protesters-demand-white-people-give-up-their-homes/
Nice how you cut off the second half of my sentence, which was the relevant part. Clearly I condemned those people already. My point is those actual Marxist radicals are an extreme outlier and have little control over the Democratic Party.
"BLM" is a muddled hodgepodge of people with legit complaints about overmilitarized and racist law enforcement, Marxist radicals and idiots who just want to break, steal and burn stuff.
And you know who else consistently condemned BLM rioting?
Joe Biden.
"“Protesting such brutality is right and necessary. It’s an utterly American response. But burning down communities and needless destruction is not. Violence that endangers lives is not. Violence that guts and shutters businesses that serve the community is not. The act of protesting should never be allowed to overshadow the reason we protest. It should not drive people away from the just cause that protest is meant to advance.”
So the whataboutism doesn't work. Joe is consistent, and consistently right about these things, as much as I may disagree with many of his policies or actions.
And you know who else consistently condemned BLM rioting?
This is a lie. Biden winked at riots while local Dem officials protected them by restricting normal police actions, dismissing charges, and promoting a bail fund for rioters. Biden only came out with his lukewarm statement long after the fact because not doing so was hurting him politically.
My point is those actual Marxist radicals are an extreme outlier and have little control over the Democratic Party.
In fact BLM / antifa are the Dem street army. Dem officials offer them protection in exchange for their creating turmoil the Dems can blame on Trump. This is why the St Louis couple facing down the mob was charged, but mobs threatening drivers, diners, and others were allowed to continue.
So the whataboutism doesn't work.
This is true. Dems have supported anti-democratic measures for decades. Dem rhetoric demonizing any disagreement as racist, fascist, or white supremacist is specifically designed to trigger action from their acolytes, hence their support for principles like By Any Means Necessary. This is also why they've invented a pseudo-history to justify their radicalization. The fact that the right is finally adopting the same tactics - due to the Dem success - does not change where the true blame lies.
George Floyd died May 25th. Biden was condemning violent riots by May 29th. The quote I listed above was May 31th. "Well after" lmao.
And this came later too:
“Peaceful protesters should be protected – but arsonists and anarchists should be prosecuted – and local law enforcement can do that."
Joe has been consistent at being opposed to political violence, including from "his side". I don't like the guy, but I will defend him that much.
"In fact BLM / antifa are the Dem street army. Dem officials offer them protection in exchange for their creating turmoil the Dems can blame on Trump."
Evidence?
"Dem rhetoric demonizing any disagreement as racist, fascist, or white supremacist is specifically designed to trigger action from their acolytes"
I used to condemn the Left's overuse of the race card as hyperbolic.
I look forward to returning to that stance once elected popular MAGA Republicans stop speaking at white supremacist conferences, Trump stops making goo-goo eyes at Vladmir Putin, QAnon and literal white supremacists on the Alt-Right, and CPAC stops inviting Viktor Orban as a keynote speaker.
George Floyd died May 25th. Biden was condemning violent riots by May 29th. The quote I listed above was May 31th. "Well after" lmao.
So to summarize: Trump's three hours was too late, while Biden's 6 days was fine. This is the sort of judgement required to /reach the left's conclusions.
Joe has been consistent at being opposed to political violence, including from "his side"
This is, of course, a lie. He dragged his feet as long as possible and gave a milktoast response while refusing to address local Dems whose actions supported violence.
"In fact BLM / antifa are the Dem street army. Dem officials offer them protection in exchange for their creating turmoil the Dems can blame on Trump."
Evidence?
Much of it was already given and you ignored it, a standard leftist tactic. Local officials changed the legal process to ensure their street army allies would not suffer legal consequence. We know this was intentional because the day after the election most Dem officials finally took the standard law enforcement steps to deal with riots which then promptly subsided (except where local authorities still grant favoritism as in Portland).
I look forward to returning to that stance once elected popular MAGA Republicans stop speaking at white supremacist conferences, Trump stops making goo-goo eyes at Vladmir Putin, QAnon and literal white supremacists on the Alt-Right,
Note the inventions required to justify his position, then compare to his effort to brand himself a centrist. Hillary Clinton offers Putin a "reset button" effectively blaming the animosity between our countries on Republicans. Then Obama tells Medvedev to pass on to Putin that he'll have more flexibility to make a deal favorable to Russia after his (Obama's) re-election. But he pretends Trump is making "goo goo eyes" based on fraudulent Clinton Campaign oppo research. Then he pretends Rep officials are speaking at white supremacist conferences, which presumably means they spoke to people who think black Americans are perfectly capable of showing up to work on time.
These people are so fookin insane they can't even function here in reality.
"...Trump stops making goo-goo eyes at Vladmir Putin..."
OK, "stupid shit" doesn't do this justice.
TDS-addled pile of lefty shit gets close.
East shit and die, asshole.
Wow...that's "divisive rhetoric," comrade.
Found the Russian troll.
Nothing TDS-addled lying piles of lefty shit don't deserve.
Eat shit and die, asshole.
Now here comes the Russian Troll trope. God, you are so self evident. Giving false talking points easily disproven (and been disproven multiple times in the past year and a half) and calling people Russian Trolls. Yeah you're no fucking centrists. LyingJeffy is this your new handle? Maybe Joe Friday?
That thing in your review mirror, it is reality. You might want to slow down and let it catch up.
You weirdos who think Biden and Pelosi are socialists have obviously not read Karl Marx. The Democratic Party is and has always been deeply corporate capitalist, they just support welfare programs, unionization and progressive taxation that make the system seem not so wildly unfair. Some loudmouths like AOC and Bernie and the "Socialist Workers Party" are on the fringes and they get constantly pushed aside by leadership like the sideshows they are. The Democrats would be right-wing in any country in Europe.
"that make the system seem not so wildly unfair."
Yeah, you're a centrist libertarian.
"The problem is when the radicals have overpowered the establishment and bent them to their will to where they can get away with violence and extremism under the threat that they will be run out of office. That is what has happened with the Republicans.
What are you referring to? No doubt, MAGA has taken over and is purging the republican party, but MAGA isn't extremism. It may be anti-establishment (not enough for my taste), but it has the support of nearly half of US voters.
What violence are MAGAs getting away with?
They aren't getting away with it only because they lost and the reigns of power are back with people who would enforce the laws.
Trump already said he will pardon the January 6th rioters if he gets back in office, and the GOP has no interest in investigating.
MAGA is absolutely extremism. It is an illiberal, antiscientific, pseudo-religious personality cult of a guy who fetishizes the power of every dictator from Pyongyang to Moscow to Riyadh. Christian nationalist theocrats, white nationalists and QAnon whackos are his hardcore base.
On the flipside, the radicals in the Democratic Party like AOC and Bernie and CRT Marxists are NOT Biden's base and don't really support him other than as a lesser evil in a binary system.
no cities burned in T's name. you're somewhat entertaining though
What insane fallacy world do you folks live in where condemning January 6th and Trump's gaslighting and lies equates to endorsing BLM-related riots?
Or are you just throwing out red herrings because you have no response?
The one we all lived through....
What insane fallacy world do you folks live in where condemning January 6th and Trump's gaslighting and lies equates to endorsing BLM-related riots?
Or are you just throwing out red herrings because you have no response?
First we can add red herrings to the list of things proprietist doesn't understand. It's getting to be a long list.
More importantly note the way he distorts people's arguments so he can dismiss them. Condemning Jan 6th doesn't mean anyone supports BLM riots (his absurd formulation). The key is to test the standard used to judge 1-6 participants by applying it to political allies instead of political enemies, any difference is political based punishment and should be abhorrent to any American For example during BLM riots the standard media description was "mostly peaceful" in order to carefully bifurcate the protests and riots. They did this even though it's clear rioters had material support from supposed protesters. This evidence included people intentionally interfering with police to protect rioters, directly and through camouflage. Plus the protests grew as the rioting grew, while protests planned after 1-6 especially for inauguration day completely evaporated because so much of the right opposed the riots.
I'm fine with this bifurcation, although we should be clear that people who protect those engaged in violence are also participants in it.
But the key is to compare this insistence on bifurcation to how the left treats 1-6. No one on the left makes any effort to bifurcate the peaceful from the violent. We can see this clearly from the horned guy who was sentenced to 4.5 years but was never seen engaging in violence. The left blanket-condemns everyone around, and in fact they are investigating people who weren't even there trying to find something to charge them with. Everyone they can identify is being charged even if they showed up hours later.
This is quite a clear difference and shows the reasoning to minimize the BLM riots was completely jettisoned so everyone at 1-6 could be judged guilty.
The funniest part about this is that the people who can't tell the difference between proprieters' formulation and mine are the ones claiming everyone else is stupid. This comes from too much time around the drum circle where plaudits are loudest for those with the most insane method to call everyone on the right names without regard to whether their assertions are actually true. They're just not trained to think critically.
Are you people mad that BLM was more anti-establishment for one summer than any of you armchair revolutionaries have ever been in your entire stupid lives?
No city burned on behalf of the Democratic party. Much of the BLM violence was caused by right-wing counterprotesters and cops anyway.
Unlike Trump, every single Democratic politician has uniformly condemned political violence. Trump threatened political violence yesterday.
Much of the BLM violence was caused by right-wing counterprotesters and cops anyway.
I love when he shows up and proves that leftists say whatever would help them politically (if only it were true) whether there is any truth to it or not. Truth just isn't a relevant factor to the left.
On the other hand, I find it rather depressing how so many libertarians suck cop dick these days.
Without even looking it up, I'd wager that almost all of the BLM violence was committed by people who were not there to protest on behalf of BLM.
Not that BLM protests from years ago are relevant to anything going on. Why are you bringing it up, by the way? Why specifically? How is it relevant to anything? Write out your chain of logic as clearly as you can but not so clearly your brain explodes in the attempt.
Which party says it's dangerous to question the FBI and CIA? Isn't that your tribe. Also, you've missed the narrative change that it shows how dangerous the right is for questioning the FBI and CIA and IRS. That's the new narrative from the left. Talk about sucking cops dicks.
You have got to get off this skipping record of logic. Just because you think someone, somewhere was a hypocrite, that does not lend any color to your own actions, good or bad.
I'm not playing team sports. I don't give a fuck who wins at your fucked up logic-off. I care about who's hurting people and who's helping them. Causes for good vs. causes for evil.
I promise you, I have not been duped into supporting any organization. I'm intelligent enough to know what I do and why I do it.
I'm intelligent enough to know what I do and why I do it.
Anyone who reads your comments knows this is laughable.
All you have done over the span of this thread is call me stupid without explaining how.
Without even looking it up, I'd wager that almost all of the BLM violence was committed by people who were not there to protest on behalf of BLM.
I believe you believe this. In fact you arrive at literally all your beliefs in the same manner: wishcasting. You ask yourself what fact (if true) would best support your political beliefs and then you believe it. Note there's no step to test whether the answer is in fact true.
Why are you bringing it up, by the way? Why specifically?
Not only have I already done this in this thread, the leftists haven't responded because I'm so obviously correct they know they will end up looking stupid if they challenge it.
But I have expressed no degree of support one way or the other on BLM. I don't even know why it's relevant to this conversation. That's why I asked.
I didn't say you supported BLM. I described the process by which you arrive at your political beliefs. We can determine this by noting the astounding number of your assertions contradicted by commonly known facts which is essentially all of them. Thus we can conclude facts are not relevant to how you form your beliefs.
But we can infer your support by noting how insane your assertion is and noting this is how you protect your allies. An ally is someone you support.
You could have just asked.
I arrived at my political beliefs by observing the Republican party turn into actual fascists over the course of my life. I can stop there really. Preventing fascists from having power is something every well-meaning human has a duty to do, before they should start thinking about shuffling humdrum policy around.
Even so, modern Democrats are pretty good according to my own understanding of modern liberal governance and basic human morality. I'm definitely not as sour as many leftists, but I believe your attitude is a choice.
"It is...pseudo-religious personality cult of a guy who fetishizes the power of every dictator from Pyongyang to Moscow to Riyadh.
I'll give you this much.
I don't see it as extremism. Most of my friends and family are Trump supporters. They are his base. They're just frustrated. They aren't crazy or extremists (ehh...OK...maybe 1 or 2 are crazy...).
"The problem is when the radicals have overpowered the establishment and bent them to their will to where they can get away with violence and extremism under the threat that they will be run out of office. That is what has happened with the Republicans."
Wow. This is where I know you're full of shit. If you had said Democrats instead of Republicans you'd still have a chance of being taken as anything other than a Leftist Troll.
You and the MAGA gangbang here offer nothing but ad hominems, appeals to the stone, false dichotomies and countless other fallacies, yet I am the troll?
If I were to stoop to your level, I could accuse you all of being a Russian troll farm that swarmed and took over a popular political magazine's comment board without comment policing and made it intolerable for any actual libertarians who stand against illiberal autocracy and egomaniacal politicians, so we all stopped wasting our time here and left.
There is no "reason" here anymore, and hardly any libertarianism, at least not in the comments section. A sign of the times that anyone here criticizing MAGA and Trump must be a "Leftist" violent BLM supporter.
Now alluding to sexual deprivation. God, for fuck sake. Your entire posts are classic progressive tropes. Fuck, at least be original.
What the fugazis of Reason continue to ignore because most of them still worship, adore, and venerate him is that the actual dark malevolent son of a bitch behind this ongoing effort to ruin America with the "divide and conquer" strategy is their chocolate messiah, Block Insane Yomomma.
The Mofo is the actual pathetic little man hiding behind the curtain deep in the bowels of his $8 million Kalorama bunker, pulling all of the levers and cranks rhat run the machine, just like in the Wizard of Oz.
"Americans Reject Biden's Divisive Rhetoric
The president’s Philadelphia “threats” speech gets thumbs-down from the public."
I guess he decided to use the Sergeant Major's method of uniting everyone in hating him?
It's tough to do, but Biden managed it. Biden managed to make Carter's Malaise Speech (Crisis of Confidence) look good by comparison.
At every turn thus far, Carter, once considered the worst President of my lifetime, keeps looking good when compared to Biden.
Divisive rhetoric makes Americans orgasm.
After all, the Philadelphia speech came after Biden had already accused his political enemies of flirting with "semi-fascism."
And of course it comes more than a decade after he claimed Republicans want to put black Americans "back in chains" returning them to literal slavery.
That said, Joe Biden isn't the entire Democratic Party. His foot-stomping doesn't necessarily mean bad news for co-partisans as they prepare for the midterm elections. But he's certainly not doing the brand any favors when he tears up his 2020 promises to act as a unifier.
It's true he said this, but we all knew this was a lie propped up by media allies, including Reason, regardless of its accuracy. See Joe's above claim for his real views on unity. What's interesting about this comment though is how Tuccille completely reverses position on Biden without admitting how the contradiction effects previous assertions. During the election Biden was supposedly the moderate choice and thus Democrats deserved the moderate label for nominating him. Now that Biden's extremism is revealed we shouldn't presume it reflects on other Dem candidates even though those are already understood to be even more extreme than Joe.
The truth is that Joe is a hateful extremist, always has been, and the fact that other Dems are even worse does not make Joe a moderate anything. Dem institutions picked Joe because it was easier to lie about him to the apolitical public than it was to lie about other, more honest, Dems.
He almost certainly worsened political strife in an already divided country that certainly could have used the moderate unifier he promised to be on the campaign trail far more than the inarticulate demagogue he's been since taking office.
We all knew Joe is and always has been the inarticulate demagogue and was never a moderate unifier. Only those participating in the cover up need to pretend recent events represent some kind of change.
Oh yeah? Well you’re a lying dogfaced pony soldier.
"And of course it comes more than a decade after he claimed Republicans want to put black Americans "back in chains" returning them to literal slavery."
It was a stupidly hyperbolic statement, but on the other hand KKK Grand Wizard David Duke won 3rd place in the Republican primaries 20 years before that, coming in just after 2nd place Holocaust denier Pat Buchanan (who is one of Trump's biggest precedents and fanboys).
Biden has said his share of really stupid things. This speech was not one of them.
on the other hand KKK Grand Wizard David Duke won 3rd place in the Republican primaries 20 years before that,
Revealingly at that time and for decades both before and after (1959 - 2010) KKK Exalted Cyclops and Democrat Robert Byrd won 1st place in the Democratic Primary for the US Senate for West Virginia.
But only some events impugn entire parties. That's how we end up believing one third place finish is a big deal while five decades of 1st place finishes should be ignored.
Biden has said his share of really stupid things. This speech was not one of them.
As we see you think so because you support left wing hatred and demagoguery.
Now do Lyndon LaRouche.
t was a stupidly hyperbolic statement, but on the other hand KKK Grand Wizard David Duke won 3rd place in the Republican primaries 20 years before that, coming in just after 2nd place Holocaust denier Pat Buchanan (who is one of Trump's biggest precedents and fanboys).
It's weird you say 'just after'.
Bush got 73% of the vote that year. Buchanan got 22%.
And Duke? Who finished 'just after', how much did he get? Almost----almost, but not quite 1%.
Got that? Duke's vote share could be measured in decimals. It was a fraction.
Now, what's the left's record on putting KKK members into power?
>crickets<
By "the Left" I assume you mean "the Democratic Party" who were not "Left" during the Dixiecrat era by any stretch of the imagination.
Robert Byrd, the main example the Right loves to point to in the modern era showing the Democrats "love" the KKK, came to regret and reject his KKK and segregationist past, and by the end of his career was voting 94% in line with the NAACP. His redemption arc and overcoming his racism is specifically why Democrats were proud to keep him around and why Hillary and such called him their "mentor".
The Southern strategy by the Republicans targeting southern white racists to recruit them was very successful. David Duke's run was the end result of that strategy. The parties have changed dramatically, so let's not act like the parties today are identically aligned to how they were decades ago.
"Just after" was not accurate other than actual ranking. Pat Buchanan getting 22% was bad enough to know there was something rotten under the Republican Party - Trump just brought that mainstream.
Fuck, you labeled a rounding error a significant showing and you question other people's honesty. Do you have no shame?
"...Do you have no shame?"
Or brain?
Note our resident "centrist's" analysis:
If you create a KKK chapter but say you're not a racist and vote Democrat you're not a racist.
If you aren't in the KKK but vote Republican you're a racist.
Sure, seems centrist to me!
The parties have changed dramatically, so let's not act like the parties today are identically aligned to how they were decades ago.
This seems a pretty big reveal for the guy who cited decades old evidence to support his claim his enemies are racist. Yet again we see the left's standards are malleable enough to be whatever the craziest leftist in the room needs them to be to judge his enemies racist and his allies pure.
Not only decades old but dishonestly portrayed a rounding error as a significant outcome.
"If you create a KKK chapter but say you're not a racist and vote Democrat you're not a racist."
Voting happens on a secret ballot. If a member of the KKK wants to claim he voted Democrat, he can do just that. See how many Democratic politicians claim him, if he can survive being hunted down by his friends and family.
Racism is something you do, not something you are. You seem to think of it as some sort of hot potato that you don't want to be caught holding while someone's looking.
Voting happens on a secret ballot. If a member of the KKK wants to claim he voted Democrat, he can do just that. See how many Democratic politicians claim him, if he can survive being hunted down by his friends and family.
The issue isn't the KKK chapter founder Robert Byrd voting Dem. It's about KKK chapter founder Robert Byrd winning the Democratic Primary and Senate Seat for 50 years. A vote may be secret in that we don't know how a specific person voted, but we know the overwhelming percentage of Dem primary voters voted for Exalted Cyclops Robert Byrd.
It's interesting how Tony changes the facts so he can challenge his enemies comments. Somehow his brain will not let him process facts unless they lead to his predetermined conclusion, so his brain changes them to something that does support his conclusions. Weird. It's like learning how serial killers think.
Robert Byrd is dead. He explicitly rejected the racism of his early life. Do you believe people can change for the better? Or is his entire life reduced to a fucking convenient talking point for a party that obviously made itself a home for every racist cretin to find his way from under his rock to a voting booth? The fact that you people all use the same one guy to "prove" who the real racists actually just proves that you don't have a substantive argument.
I genuinely don't understand what the point of this is. Fuck Robert Byrd. What about Donald Trump and all the card-carrying neo-Nazis who openly support him today, who stormed the capitol in his name?
David Duke was disowned and repudiated by the Republicans even when he claimed to be one.
The difference between David Duke and Robert Byrd, of course, is that the latter spent the last 60 years of his life not being a racist, while the former is still going strong.
Robert Byrd...spent the last 60 years of his life not being a racist,
We don't know this. Leftists assume and assert this because it is expedient for their political power.
I can judge him by his actions.
Who the fuck gave you permission to think that people are entirely summed up by some label that was attached to them once?
I care what people do, not some letters somewhere.
Who the fuck gave you permission to think that people are entirely summed up by some label that was attached to them once?
As we've seen the only thing you care about is whether they have a D after their name, or presumably the mark of some even more extremely left party.
But it's cute you seem to think I need permission to think for myself. That explains a lot.
When Republicans stop being anti-intellectual fascists who deny climate change and ban books about gay people, I'll have a choice in the matter. I don't love Democrats. Loving politicians is what suckers do, like libertarians and Bernie bros.
Robert Byrd is dead. He explicitly rejected the racism of his early life.
It's just so interesting to watch the bipolar reactions. Other people always rejected racism, never joined the KKK and the left's response is to conclude they are racist. But Robert Byrd uniquely deserves to be treated differently. For him let's have compassion and allow for people to "grow". But no statement or action (other than embracing the left) would never convince the left to consider whether someone one the right was not racist even if they had never committed a racist act. In fact this is probably why Byrd embraced the left. Like sexual harassers he knew he could get away with it as long as he embraced leftist politics.
This standard of granting forgiveness on repentance exists only to exonerate an ally, the left would never apply it to anyone else.
Revealingly Byrd has been dead for 12 years and we're supposed to move on. David Duke's 1% of the vote was 30 years ago but still relevant. Every statement a leftist makes is solely to exonerate an ally or attack an enemy. Not one standard is ever applied consistently. Nor can they allow this to ever happen because consistent standards would preclude reaching leftist conclusions.
If you want to talk about "revealing," let's address this whole illogical conversation.
Pretend Robert Byrd never existed. Would that world have any racism, or was he pretty much the whole thing?
Whether someone was a racist in the past might be interesting to a biographer somewhere. The problem of racism in the world is what is happening to living human beings right now.
And, while I can't believe I have to explain this, you or Donald Trump being a racist today is not absolved, even by a microscopic percentage, because some other guy was racist 80 years ago.
And, while I can't believe I have to explain this, you or Donald Trump being a racist today is not absolved, even by a microscopic percentage, because some other guy was racist 80 years ago.
Conversely I can believe I have to explain this to you. Byrd is in rebuttal to another leftist claiming David Duke proves something about Reps. So while you pretending the past doesn't matter other leftists are doing the very thing you claim is irrelevant.
It is revealing you make a big deal about this but only to me - not to your fellow leftist who began the conversation and who you theoretically disagree with. Somehow this disagreement is exactly important enough to try to rebut me, but not important enough to rebut him. How is that? If it's important enough to attack me why isn't it important enough for you to attack him - the person who actually advanced the theory you claim is ridiculous?
Of course the answer is that you're only attacking me because I'm not a leftist. No actual principle is involved, just something handy in the moment to attack with. Again, to leftists standards only exist to foster attacks on an enemy or protect allies. They are never to advance a common expectation for fair, rational, and responsible analysis.
Republicans hardly need David Duke to be accused of racism. There's all the neo-Nazis who openly support them and who are supported by their current party leader.
By Neo Nazis you must mean people who think black employees are capable of showing up on time.
But this is the problem with the left. They just assume anyone who disagrees with them is racist. It's so much easier than thinking.
No I mean real neo-Nazis.
"No I mean real neo-Nazis."
As if you were capable of understanding what that means. You're not. You are entirely too stupid.
If you wanted a unifier why did you suck Trump's cock?
Not because he had any demonstrable competence. Oh no. Because was going to hurt the people you wanted to hurt. Don't lie.
We are divided, and it's Republicans' deliberate operation. They put it on a fucking memo in the 1990s.
Because was going to hurt the people you wanted to hurt. Don't lie.
Don't push your motives onto other people. Leftists have pursued division through scapegoating since the modern political systems were invented. Democrats executed on it as soon as their march through our institutions gave them the ability to do so in the 70s. I was in college in the 80s and all the leftist crazy was already in full bloom: there is no objective truth, everyone who disagrees with the narrative is racist, pseudo-history and Lysenkoism to support politics, discrimination and hatred based on politics, all of it.
I'm always amused when the biggest fear and hatemongers whine about others adopting their tactics.
Well I wasn't around in the 70s, but I understand things have changed in the ensuing 50 years. Things do. The Southern Strategy began a multidecade ascendance of far-right politics, rejecting both New Deal economics and reacting, often violently, to the civil rights advances of minorities. You've been there every step of the way to shit on blacks, gays, immigrants, Muslims, and exactly whomever the latest Republican candidate for president told you was responsible for all your problems.
I went to college in the 2000s, and you'll be happy to hear that the scene is almost totally devoid of indoctrination (minus the occasional neo-con, may they rest in peace). It's just learning.
This is what I'm talking about, the projection. You can't fathom students who aren't indoctrinated, because indoctrination is what you think learning is. Maybe try learning how to think for yourself instead.
but I understand things have changed in the ensuing 50 years.
Yes, their initiative of hatred is now bearing fruit now that they punish people economically for having the wrong opinions.
You've been there every step of the way to shit on blacks, gays, immigrants, Muslims,
This is definitely your level of understanding, so it's cute you whine that others worldview is warped by Fox.
I went to college in the 2000s, and you'll be happy to hear that the scene is almost totally devoid of indoctrination
You're the fish who isn't even smart enough to ask what water is.
Maybe try learning how to think for yourself instead.
Says the guy who has literally never had a thought that wasn't stamped "Approved".
"punish people economically for having the wrong opinions."
Examples? I'm going to need to know what you're talking about.
https://news.yahoo.com/connecticut-assistant-principal-admits-discriminating-162259368.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEIfxMx45kBIg9ehwy_InudlfSStICWCa_PwV8iyuOeYw3SJhH3Iyuz5UevnCn1F5e5dey4Xwy9uSeG4yycCdFWtLZnVK3qje3E9hKBUsY9gob4shAyU55iTopUJXbw1xpm5dC4W44Fy1LECptHzcENyCTdSchqGBNjdOnSMbXj-
We all accept you'll never understand what anyone is talking about since understanding would require you to think first.
That guy seems like an asshole who admitted to committing a crime.
Thanks for the link? I don't get it. We were having a conversation...?
We all accept you'll never understand what anyone is talking about since understanding would require you to think first.
Because that's exactly what politicians like Ron DeSantis and Trump are doing, and it is in fact a major current fixation of the entire Republican party.
They used the power of the state to retaliate against Disney for being too pro-gay. They want to use the power of the state to force Twitter to publish right-wing propaganda against its will.
Once again, you are what you claim to hate.
Because that's exactly what politicians like Ron DeSantis and Trump are doing, and it is in fact a major current fixation of the entire Republican party.
Yep, they are starting to act as Dems have for decades. Naturally the left hates that but of course it still supports leftists using government to punish people. So their crocodile tears don't move me.
Once again, you are what you claim to hate.
I support both sides being treated the same, it's revealing you find that a problem.
"Yep, they are starting to act as Dems have for decades."
So literally bad when Dems do it, good when Republicans do it. Thanks for admitting your own blatant, unambiguous hypocrisy so succinctly.
So literally bad when Dems do it, good when Republicans do it. Thanks for admitting your own blatant, unambiguous hypocrisy so succinctly.
The fact that I recognize Reps are doing something does not mean I approve of it. But you're not capable of understanding logic at even this basic level.
I do find it interesting that leftists both complain (usually wrongly) that others engage in against me means with them arguments and wrongly employ these arguments themselves. Sometimes I think they invent whatever standard then need in an argument while never intending to recognize it generally.
You started out with a lie, that Democrats have been the worse actors on immigration until today, when somehow Ron DeSantis is to some extent absolved of his buffoonish cruelty because someone, somewhere else did something bad too.
I can't even get basic logic working with you, but perhaps if you tried sorting out that word salad a second time, I could understand what the hell you're talking about.
You started out with a lie, that Democrats have been the worse actors on immigration until today,
Interestingly this is a lie. I said Dems have been worse using government to punish its enemies. But it doesn't surprise me you lie since the alternative is accepting your position cannot be supported.
I can't even get basic logic
working with you,Fixed that for you.
"Fifty-five percent of respondents in the Harvard CAPS/Harris survey said they're more concerned about "the ******socialist***** left" while 45 percent answered that they're more concerned about "MAGA Republicans."
Or in clear language...
50% are concerned about the USA being conquered by socialists.
45% are concerned their Nazi-Empire (National Socialist) is being threatened.
The reason Republicans don't champion majority 'democracy' like Democrats do is because they aren't so stupid as to think the USA can be toppled by [WE] mobs RULE! ideology. The USA **** IS NOT ***** a democracy. It was founded on a Constitution (RULES) and those RULES (The People's Law over their Government) shouldn't not be burned up just because 50.0001% of voters no longer want them. There is a strict procedure for changing the USA and it doesn't get auto-conquered by 50% vote for TREASONOUS F-Whits.
No - it gets conquered by stocking the SC and interpreting the constitution into irrelevance.
Sadly the best means of 'stocking the SC' was congress.
i.e. Elect treasonous Nazi's to congress = treasonous stocking of the SC.
>> as he contrasted himself with then-President Donald Trump
Brandon lied to your stupid face is what he did ... is what he's always done ... should have been the narrative here instead of strategic votes
Can you really lie to people that know who you are?
no I guess not ... if "This Guy's a Goddam Liar" was one piece here just one time I might shut up
And then they still vote for him, because he prints money and pretends to help the poor.
Democrats, of course, will not read these polls. They'll just say they're biased, somehow, and ignore them.
Yep. Posted links to the polls in the comments to a Biden story in the Post. One response was that the polls were biased. The other was a screed about Trump.
Democrats don't care about these polls. Americans vote for people they hate and that hate them if they believe that it is advantageous for them. Blacks in the South voted for Democrats in large numbers while Democrats were pushing segregation and eugenics.
Black Hitler still has a lot of fans around here I see.....
I notice Reason had to wait to see which way the wind was blowing before writing this article.......
The day after the speech, Reason said it was utterly forgettable.....
On the plus side nobody saw it.
Americans Reject Biden's Violent Rhetoric
He called peoples fathers and mothers, sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, neighbors, and friends fascists and insisted they be attack. Half the country.
Not a way to promote unity. But truly a way to promote violence.
Trump threatened political violence yesterday.
If shitbag here claims "Trump said...", it's a given he's full of shit.
And when Trumpers engage in violence following his indictment, just as Senator Graham and Trump himself have explicitly threatened, you'll just pretend it's a conspiracy or some horseshit.
Your brain is gone. Done gone.
"...And when Trumpers engage in violence following his indictment, just as Senator Graham and Trump himself have explicitly threatened,.."
This sort of dishonesty is exactly the reason asswipe here is widely despised.
Nobody "threatened" anything, you pathetic excuse for a cogent human being. We're all tired of your inability to post absent at least one lie; fuck off and die.
So what did Trump mean when he said bad things were going to happen if he's indicted? An asteroid collision perhaps?
"So what did Trump mean when he said bad things were going to happen if he's indicted?"
I don't know, lying pile of lefty shit, but only lying piles of lefty shit would jump to the conclusion (as you did, lying pile of lefty shit) that "Trump threatened political violence yesterday."
As always, you are a lying pile of lefty shit, along with JasonT20, VendicarD, proprietist and other lefty shits.
Fuck off and die, lying piles of lefty shit.
It's just that he used almost the exact same language before, and what followed was an unprecedented violent attack on the US capitol in an attempt to stop the certification of the presidential election.
Call me skittish.
'Well, the last time he said something I imagine was similar to that, a protest broke out'.
Do I have that right, shitbag
I thought the word "divisive" was a joke. Always seems to apply to Democrats when they criticize a Republican, never to Republicans when they explicitly divide the country into us vs. them in totally content-free fearmongering, be it whites against blacks, Christians against Muslims, straights against gays, citizens against immigrants, "real Americans" vs., presumably, fake Americans.
When Trump tries to cancel the votes of 80 million people. When Trump threatens to unleash his minions in violent revolution should the United States criminal justice system dare hold him accountable for a crime for once.
Republicans and all of their apologists don't get to whine about having the vapors anymore. You blew your wad on that orange polyp. You ordered divisiveness. So if a milquetoast like Joe Biden seems like he's speaking in a seemingly untoward way, it probably means the problem is even worse than he says.
Can you give examples of when mainstream Republicans have engaged in "fear mongering" and these kinds of divisions?
That is a valid division: many Americans hate America the way it has been for more than two centuries and have said so; those are "fake Americans".
You are an ignorant conspiracy nut, Tony.
Every single election season sees Republicans pitting religious conservative cousin-fuckers against a new minority. This time it's trans panic, but it was gay panic in 2004, it is immigrant panic usually every year, and black panic ("welfare queens") is an old favorite as well. I don't know why you don't see something you participate in every day.
So real Americans are those who don't want to trash the constitution and political institutions of America? Makes sense. Trumpers must be the fakes, considering they staged a ongoing coup attempt against said country.
I heard Donald Trump in his own voice threaten political violence "the likes of which has never been seen" just yesterday if he is indicted. Which do you deny, that he said it, or that you support such violence?
Now you can save your breath: "But trannies really are coming fer our kids!"
So, your now sucking the FBIs dick?
I don't love or hate the FBI as an institution. It's done good things and done bad things. It does bad things when bad people are in charge of the government and good things when good people are in charge of the government.
If there's an alternative model for federal law enforcement, I'm open to suggestions.
Not that that doesn't mean I'm not sucking its dick. I never said I had high standards in that department.
It does bad things when bad people are in charge of the government and good things when good people are in charge of the government.
This is the problem, along with the fact that Tony defines good as left and bad as other (as he's proven in numerous comments). In reality all people are capable of good and bad, and the only way to prevent the bad is constant, vigorous, and thorough management to ensure the consistent standards are applied. The problem with the FBI, and the rest of the Deep State, is that the bureaucracy has intentionally become single party and embraced leftist politics including Tony's definition of good and bad people. So as long as they're pursuing leftist ends bureaucrats are encouraged to corrupt the institutional mission.
The Education Department's Title IX is another example of a thoroughly corrupt agency.
Leftism is necessary to be a good person but not sufficient.
Well, I suppose you can be a conservative good person, as long as you don't participate in politics.
Marshal is owning you so hard here. It’s hilarious.
In what way?
Well, about every way someone of normal intelligence can imagine, which tells us why you're having a hard time with the issue.
Fucking lefty ignoramuses...
"Leftism is necessary to be a good person but not sufficient."
Leftism is sufficient to make someone and evil person, shitbag.
And what is leftism, to you?
You, and assholes like you, presuming what's yours is yours and what's mine is in question, asswipe.
Get your hand off my wallet.
So the correct political philosophy is "be an antisocial, selfish cunt." Who knew?
I mean sheesh, I studied most of the political philosophies known to man, and I was damn sure the correct one was closer on the spectrum to "it takes a village." But, hey, if Sevo says so, "be an antisocial, selfish cunt" must be it.
Old Sevo, the guy who figured it all out. I was here.
"So the correct political philosophy is "be an antisocial, selfish cunt." Who knew?"
We can rely on slimy piles of lefty shit like you to attempt to justify grabbing my wealth as (loser) slimy piles of lefty shit like you hope to justify grabbing my wallet.
Fuck off and die, steaming pile of lefty shit.
"Your" wealth. How do I know it's yours?
I say it's mine, and I have a bigger gun and am very spry.
“"Your" wealth. How do I know it's yours?
I say it's mine, and I have a bigger gun and am very spry.”
If that’s the case, then we’re not having a discussion, we’re in a violent situation.
Which, according to a few thousand years of human evolution, makes you the anti-social, selfish cunt you were referring to earlier.
Some may have to capitulate, but the best results of humanity are when people like you are separated from decent people, or, when that’s not possible, killed.
It does sound like the operating principle of your favorite way to do society, though. Is that your point? That your worldview is founded upon base human violence and taking away people’s choices?
""Your" wealth. How do I know it's yours?
I say it's mine, and I have a bigger gun and am very spry."
Lefty shits. always and everywhere, take what others have earned by coercion.
They are, by definition, evil, vile, scumbags and this pile of lefty shit admits it.
Eat shit and die, asshole.
Well, as a gay immigrant, I have indeed not seen this.
Yes, and sadly, Democrats and progressives do want to trash the Constitution and the political institutions of America. They have said so.
Didn't you watch the election on the news? Trump had votes cancelled right on LIVE TV....
https://steadfastclash.com/the-latest/watch-trump-votes-count-decreasing-live-on-tv-six-times-in-four-states/
I didn't see any reference in the details of the polls about Biden's speech that asked responders to say how much (if any) of Biden's speech that they actually listened to or read transcripts from it. If people were responding based on their skimming of articles about the speech, isolated clips played on cable news, or just whether they like or hate Trump or Biden, then these polls tell us nothing useful about the speech itself. It only tells us how people reacted to the bits of information they received from news and opinion coverage of it and/or their preexisting biases.
^ This pathetic pile of lefty shit approves murder as a preventative if it might keep a protestor from putting feet on the hallowed desks of the top people:
JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”
Eat shit and die, asshole.
"...It only tells us how people reacted to the bits of information they received from news and opinion coverage of it and/or their preexisting biases."
IOW's, they are as accurate as every other poll which measures exactly the same qualities.
But shit-for-brains here hopes to arm-wave them away since his BFF has been busted for bullshit.
East shit and die, asshole.
"Americans Reject Biden's Divisive Rhetoric"
Is that why his popularity has increased by 10 points over the last month?
Hahahahah....
More Nonsense Libertarian political propaganda promoting the Fascist Republican Party.
Who paid Reason for the Political Ad?
"Is that why his popularity has increased by 10 points over the last month?"
Steaming pile of lefty shit, are you citing the same polls which show his speech to be offensive, according to that other pile of left shit Jason?
Or perhaps, your brains have simple leaked out.
Fuck off and die, asswipe.