Orange County Settles With Woman Whose Baby Died After Authorities Stopped at Starbucks Before Hospital
Plus: California "Kid's Code" bill could mean face scans to visit websites, Michael Horn on reinventing schools, and more...

Orange County jail sank to "lowest depths," says lawyer. Sandra Quinones was jailed for a probation violation when she started going into early labor in March 2016. Instead of immediately helping her, Orange County authorities ignored her for two hours and then stopped at Starbucks on their way to the hospital, according to a federal lawsuit she filed after losing the baby.
Now, six years later, the Orange County Board of Supervisors has voted to settle the lawsuit. Quinones will receive a payment of $480,000 from the county.
Quinones' complaint in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit stated that she was six months pregnant and in custody at the Orange County Women's jail when her water broke. "She pushed the call button in her cell with no response for two hours," the suit says, noting that jail staff knew about Quinones' pregnancy.
Jail staff "failed to call an ambulance and decided to transport Sandra Quinones to the hospital on a non-emergency basis," her suit alleges. They "did not provide any medical treatment and, instead, stopped for Starbucks on the way to the hospital," making Quinones "wait in the back of a van bleeding and in labor."
At the hospital, the baby was born and then died shortly after, her suit says. It accuses Orange County authorities of denial of medical care, negligent treatment, "and other violations of Appellant Sandra Quinones' and Baby Quinones' rights."
Quinones sued the county and various jail staff. In 2020, a U.S. District Court dismissed Quinones' complaint, stating that the statute of limitations was up. But Quinones' lawyer appealed, noting that she had been homeless, suffering from PTSD, and unable to get assistance for years after the incident. In December 2021, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit reinstated her case.
"The Orange County jail is capable of sinking to the lowest depths," her lawyer, Richard Herman, told the Los Angeles Times. "Unfortunately this is not the only occasion."
Orange County has demonstrated a pattern of "failing to provide medical treatment and/or ignoring basic care such that inmate and/or the baby died during or closely after labor," states an amended complaint in Quinones lawsuit, citing six other infant or fetus deaths between 2012 and 2019.
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"Kid's Code" bill in California could mean creepy new privacy invasions online. A California proposal to "protect kids" could see websites scanning people's faces and making them submit video "liveness tests" before they can look at content or make purchases. Mike Masnick dissects the disturbing details at Techdirt:
If you thought cookie pop-ups were an annoying nuisance, just wait until you have to scan your face for some third party to "verify your age" after California's new design code becomes law.
On Friday, I wrote about the companies and organizations most likely to benefit from California's AB 2273, the "Age Appropriate Design Code" bill that the California legislature seems eager to pass (and which they refer to as the "Kid's Code" even though the details show it will impact everyone, and not just kids). The bill seemed to be getting very little attention, but after a few of my posts started to go viral, the backers of the bill ramped up their smear campaigns and lies — including telling me that I'm not covered by it (and when I dug in and pointed out how I am… they stopped responding). But, even if somehow Techdirt is not covered (which, frankly, would be a relief), I can still be quite concerned about how it will impact everyone else.
But, the craziest of all things is that the "Age Verification Providers Association" decided to show up in the comments to defend themselves and insist that their members can do age verification in a privacy-protective manner. You just have to let them scan your face with facial recognition technology.
In what seems like a very failed attempt to be reassuring, the Age Verification Providers Association explained that it may not need people's "personal data" to verify their ages, just a scan of their IDs or faces.
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Brown University economist Emily Oster talks to Michael Horn, author of From Reopen to Reinvent: (Re)Creating School for Every Child, about American schooling. For the book, Horn set out to look at what went wrong with schools during the pandemic. "But part of the conclusion was schooling wasn't just broken during COVID—it hasn't been working [for] the majority of families for a long time," he told Oster.
Emily: So let's talk about that piece of it. Because while I sort of like this conceptually, and I see why for people with a lot of choice and a lot of options, it might be possible to think about crafting micro schools and learning pods. But when we think about this on a more nuts-and-bolts policy level, do you think this is even remotely feasible? Let me put it out there.
Michael: I love the question. It's unclear at the moment, to be totally honest. And I think it's one of the reasons we see so many families opting out of traditional district schools right now into micro schools and pods and charter schools and private schools, because they're saying: I want that customization. And part of my argument, I think, is that if districts really want to hold on and be that common place where people come for their education, they're going to have to figure out how to customize. And I think that there are lessons that they can learn about how to leverage micro schools and the advantages that they bring within a larger schoolhouse, for example. How to use online tutoring and online teachers to give access to certain options that certain children may want to have, but it doesn't make sense to have a full-time teacher, say, in the school building, offering that particular class. Or plugging into community resources to offer the mental health supports that certain children we know really need right now. But it's really hard — and others have written persuasively about: not sure if you want a teacher who hasn't been trained for that set of services delivering mental health supports to your child. But you might really welcome someone from the community who has been trained in those things to plug into school and be able to offer those services.
It's not saying that it's the school's core competency or that they need to do every element of this, but more that they become a hub for these different services so that children can customize what they need for them and when they need them. And there are some school districts around the country that have been doing some of this. So I think there's some bright lights out there.
Read the whole interview here.
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Instead of immediately helping her, Orange County authorities ignored her for two hours and then stopped at Starbucks on their way to the hospital...
Don't even talk to them about doing their jobs before they've had their first cup.
Don't know what the big deal is here. Sounds like the state provided top notch
abortion serviceshealthcare.This is the level of service we'd all get under the left's envisioned universal healthcare, so why is she crying over having this promise special delivered early?
Health care, meet DMV.
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'women's healthcare' services - like the quality care suggested by planned parenthood
Did Planned Parenthood kill this baby... Or was it Government Almighty?
You have 2 "call an expert" cards left, to help you solve this TRUY challenging question!
I think blue states now require abortion for anyone seeking any form of pregnancy health care.
Wow, Deep Thinking indeed! Trump is calling YOU to become his Chief Campaign Advisor! (Unless Leona Helmsley takes the spot first).
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Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
Won’t you come here,
And join My Crew?
Won’t you please join My Quest?
The honest taxpayers, to molest?
I like to collect babes, as if they were Cocker Spaniels,
You’d look quite nice, right next to Stormy Daniels!
You’d be quite sexy, in My YUUGE harem,
With My BIGLY contributors, I like to share ‘em!
“Taxes are for the little people”
For a campaign slogan, it sounds GREAT!
Won’t you help Me fool the greedy sheeple?
To their suffering, you and I, we could masturbate!
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Won’t you stay with Me a while,
And be My campaign gal?
Ah, so this is why the push for transitioning 6 year olds. Pre-term abortions while they still can't make informed decisions for themselves.
And Dobbs will allow that happen...
Giving the State POWER to regulate everyone's pregnancy health care..
You can joke now; The POWER was granted.
If my kid died because of something like this, it wouldn’t be a lawsuit, it would be an execution. It’s the only truly civilized response.
Be responsible, and stop fucking the homeless and mentally ill, and it won't happen to you! But then again, what with you being homeless and mentally ill, I suppose those are the only babes within your grasping little mind and your grasping little prehensile penis, you strange & deranged creature from Venus?
$480k for a baby seems pretty light. You would think that level of negligence would be way more expensive.
That is a clump of cells you science denying mysogynist!
This, Orange County didn't seem to be the sort to acknowledge a human life was lost, so it seems a bit high.
Funny how Dobbs didn't change a thing to that extent.
Why would it?
Seems many have this FALSE theory that giving the State permission to FORCE women to reproduce by Gov-Guns somehow eliminated abortion. Even though they struggle with their own miss-conceived notions.
Still haven’t learned about the birds and the bees?
Since when did it take the Power of Gov-Guns to enforce your B.S. nature theories?
Said she was homeless with PTSD. Probably had a shitty attorney.
like most of the J6 defendant's.
Where were all the donors to make sure they had proper representation? probably avoiding IRS audits and FBI investigations.
BLM Felons seem to get the best rep Democrat donor money can buy - along with get out of jail free cards, but I've wondered why all the J6rs seem to be represented by public defenders
If you support them you join them.
Is that semi-fascism?
I guess we're nearing Peak Freedom now?
Good thing we just missed that mean-tweet apocalypse!
Cause' we all know it'sTrump that is the fascist dictator
if ENB thinks this is bad wait till she hears about the j6 people
So we are now admitting the laptop is real and the FBI went on a Russia collusion hoax witchhunt?
Well, Biden won, so he is being rewarded for being a helping hand.
Slow down, speedy. Reason might be ready to challenge some bureaucrat who doubted the Hunter laptop story, but would never contradict fellow travelers, er, reporters, like from WAPO.
Not an article or a formal apology for the dozens of articles that Reason posted about Russia-gate. But a single, passing sentence buried in the links. Well done ENB and Reason Editors.
Now wait a minute. Robbie posted a very critical article about Twitter censoring the story before the election. His complaint? It drew attention to the story.
Reason would be embarrassed if the weren’t left wing shills.
Do you think they’re embarrassed?
Was it just me, or were the links a lot less slanted today than normal?
The links are never slanted, unless you are someone who is especially sensitive to any criticism of Donald Trump or offended that some people are in favor of women having reproductive rights.
Many days have very slanted links without any mention of Trump
Your TDS showing as usual
Well, yeah. True libertarians are far-right conservative Republicans. If you disagree then you're a leftist.
Poor sarc
At this point it seems like he misses his ex wife calling him a fucking loser so comes here for his daily affirmations of it.
Been a lot of MAGA snowflake activity lately.
Been a lot of Democratic party asscovering activity lately.
To be fair, the FBI has been up to some serious shenanigans. Though I disagree with the righty-tighties that the Hunter thing would have changed the outcome of the election.
yeah.. what's 5 or 6 % of the vote between friends?
Democrats would have been forced to use the back-up boxes of fortified ballots.
Figures don't lie, but liars figure.
It wasn't 5-6% of the entire electorate. It wasn't 5-6% of Biden voters. No, it was 5-6% of the people who voted for Biden who had never heard of Hunter's laptop.
So the figure is more like less than 1% of the entire electorate, but the liars would have you believe differently.
And sarc lies again. Multiple studies have shown a huge effect for biden voters. Such as:
16% of Biden voters would have voted differently if Hunter Biden laptop story was not suppressed by media, big tech
https://thepostmillennial.com/flashback-16-of-biden-voters
But keep spinning the narrative for the dems.
I also posted a newer study last week estimating 10% of Biden voters. I will post if I find it again.
Trump pollster John McLaughlin found that 4.6% of Biden voters would have changed their minds if they had known about it, easily enough to flip results in key states. Another survey by The Polling Company showed that even more Biden voters in seven swing states — 17% — would have switched their votes if they had been aware of the laptop and other stories.
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/mar/24/medias-suppression-of-hunter-laptop-was-election-i/
Jesse, Jesse, come on. None of that matters because Sarc hates Trump beyond all reason. So facts don’t matter.
I'm skeptical. I think this is 20/20 hindsight effect. I think a lot of people have voter's remorse so will easily claim they would have switched their vote. I highly doubt the actual effect would have been this large despite the poll taker's claims
The issue really isn’t if it would have changed the election at this point. The issue is that federal law enforcement has become an armed wing of the Democrat party, and has clearly exposed itself as such repeatedly over the last six years.
And so far the only consequences when caught is one guy getting probation for lying on a FISA warrant and one guy maybe getting transferred or fired. Which means it will continue.
Buy we know you don’t really care because you hate the people being targeted.
Well, yeah. True libertarians are far-right conservative Republicans. If you disagree then you're a leftist.
Close.
True libertarians see far-right conservative Republicans as somewhat leftist.
There.
This is just embarrassing.
The biggest liars on the site are the ones who state they are perfectly neutral.
The biggest retards on the site assume anyone who disagrees with the far right is a leftist.
Poor sarc
Yes sarc. My comment included you. The delusion you express daily is a symptom of it.
The biggest retards on the site pretend that despite regurgatating DNC propaganda here 24/7, we somehow won't think that they're Democrats.
There's a difference between disagreeing with the Trump talking points you repeat incessantly and regurgitating DNC propaganda.
Regurgitating DNC propaganda isn't "disagreeing", sarc.
Is it Trump talking points to call the FBI directing social media to censor on behalf of Democrats a violation of 1A?
Because your buddy Jeffy doesn’t think that’s a problem. That’s the current reason I’m calling him a lefty.
many who disagree with you disagree with the far right
you just happen to simp for the left and have TDS, which is why you get shit
Case in point.
The biggest retards on the site assume anyone who disagrees with the far right is a leftist.
Logically, if you are to the left of someone who is right you are a leftist. The question is of degree, not type.
What positions are you claiming are far right being advocated here sarc?
"Was it just me, or were the links a lot less slanted today than normal?"
They weren't just a bunch of NYT articles and whatever is trending in the Blue Check Twitteratti gaggle. Once you break out of that bubble, it's pretty easy to be balanced. I'm just guessing that someone noticed how bad yesterday was for the lynx.
Maybe. Or, NYT, WaPo and Twitter were all done this morning?
Well the links don't include this matter.
https://news.yahoo.com/top-fbi-agent-resigns-allegedly-142102964.html?fr=yhssrp_catchall
Looks like they picked a fall guy.
"President Joe Biden's pick for an intelligence advisory post falsely claimed that Hunter Biden's laptop was part of a Russian disinformation campaign and that Donald Trump's campaign colluded with the Kremlin,"
I mean why hire a propaganda pushing partisan if they arent going to properly push propaganda for you?
This guy gets it.
"President Joe Biden's pick for an intelligence advisory post falsely claimed that Hunter Biden's laptop was part of a Russian disinformation campaign and that Donald Trump's campaign colluded with the Kremlin," reports The Washington Free Beacon.
OK. Assuming for the moment that "Hunter Biden's laptop was Russian disinformation" was itself an example of disinformation .......... does it really matter?
Koch-funded libertarians wanted Biden to be President and, wouldn't you know it, he became President. So, yeah, maybe the intelligence community went to bat for our guy. Whatever. Let's move on.
#LibertariansForBiden
#LibertariansForTrustingTheIntelligenceCommunity
What difference, at this point, does it make?
Team Koch want Liz Cheney to be president now: https://pjmedia.com/uncategorized/rick-moran/2022/08/23/cheney-has-tapped-koch-network-and-some-trump-consultants-in-potential-run-for-the-presidency-n1623465
The Sullum support articles should be interesting gymnastic feats.
This takes OBL's post to a new level of derp. I guess today's satire is tomorrow truth.
Koch humor.
OBL is prophecy.
I’m old enough to remember when satire stayed satire.
"Kid's Code" bill in California could mean creepy new privacy invasions online.
Learn to code, kids.
I read Kids code + Ca and immediately assumed it was a communication method they could use with troubled kids to get them to switch genders.
They have to scan their genitalia.
I know what you're thinking, what is the boob test going to tell them that the butthole test didn't.
If you don't have internet access you have to use ink. A new spin on black-face.
But part of the conclusion was schooling wasn't just broken during COVID—it hasn't been working [for] the majority of families for a long time...
Remember when we thought COVID mitigation was the cure? That it would actually spur cries for school choice?
Orange County sure got off light at $480K. Here in Penna., there's a $25 million lawsuit against Sesame Place for a horrible racist incident where one of the costumed characters failed to pat a little girl on the head. I take it the parents may have been thrilled if Dr. Jill's husband had been on hand to at least sniff the girl's hair.
Just had to throw in a reference to Biden to signal your membership to other right wing commenters, even though he has zero to do with the lawsuit?
Mike, are you too autistic to get the humorous connection between patting kids on the head and sniffing their hair? Or are you compulsively a Biden defender (but totally not a Democrat)?
Yes.
I guess the equivalent would be like how you mention Trump when he isnt specifically brought up to signal both your virtue as well as your TDS
Caw caw!
It was the Grouch, wasn't it?
You have to be fucking kidding....$25M???
States are ordered by federal law to maintain clean voter rolls. Wisconsin has a process to do so. Wisconsin election officials decided without comment to add people back on who were removed based on the state regulations to clean up voter rolls.
https://justthenews.com/nation/states/center-square/brandtjen-mind-boggling-decision-given-wisconsin-voter-id-law
Voter "equity"?
most secure and fair election in history
The official appointed to oversee the new 87000 IRS workers was Lerner chief of staff and one of the members whose hard drive was magically wiped during the tea party investigation.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/athena-thorne/2022/08/29/obama-era-tea-party-targeter-appointed-to-create-irs-office-overseeing-87000-new-agents-n1624976
With a cloth?
The Shroud of Clinton?
I would be careful handling a Clinton shroud.
Very Good!
Seriously, you cannot make this shit up. Fire up the wood chippers man, fire'm up.
The IRS is advertising for armed special agents. This is how you get secret police.
FBI agent Thibault has resigned from the agency after whistle-blower documents regarding Hunter.
https://nypost.com/2022/08/29/fbi-agent-resigns-amid-hunter-biden-probe-scrutiny/
"resigned"
Multiple sources say he was escorted out of the building by three security agents.
I agree. Sounds like one of the you can't fire me i quit stories.
And no one else will be held responsible.
^^^
Nuh uh.
— Lefty Jeffy
""President Joe Biden's pick for an intelligence advisory post falsely claimed that Hunter Biden's laptop was part of a Russian disinformation campaign and that Donald Trump's campaign colluded with the Kremlin," reports The Washington Free Beacon."
Holy shit. A Washington Free Beacon article? Is ENB being held hostage? Blink twice if Hawley has you at gunpoint!
Jeff will be here shortly to attack the source and state how he onlybuses true sources like the Daily Beast and Wapo.
Those are his "conservative" sources. His centrist ones are Salon and Jacobin.
Hawley holding her hostage would fulfill her rape fantasy. You know there's a weird, fetish crush going on there.
A lot of leftist chicks are secretly tired of leftist beta male soyboyfriends, and want a real man to out them down on all fours and put them to good use. Sarc has similar feelings towards Trump.
True.
WTF?
I thought professional tennis did the humanitarian thing by banning Russians from competition. I guess that only applied to some tournaments? 🙁
Daniil Medvedev rolls in start to US Open title defense
I don't care if he's the defending champ. I don't care if he's currently the #1 ranked male player on the planet. He represents the country that cheated Hillary Clinton out of the White House so he must be punished.
#StillWithHer
Is he fully vaccinated?
That’s all that matters again.
The DoJs taint teams, scheduled as used for the mar a Lago raid have been under scrutiny for years.
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/fbi-seized-privileged-memos-trump-raid-doj-filter-teams-alread
In Mississippi, for example, a federal judge concluded in June that the government's protocols for taint teams were so lax that they were likely to cause "irreparable harm" to a defendant whose evidence was raided. That ruling has reverberated in legal circles, leading some to suggest the DOJ simply wants a "fox in the privilege henhouse."
At least three federal appeals courts in the last three years have similarly expressed concern about DOJ's taint teams. The most direct ruling came in 2019 by the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in a Maryland case in which federal prosecutors got a magistrate judge to approve a raid on a law firm. The appellate judges concluded the use of a DOJ taint team to determine which privileges to protect for the law firm "inappropriately assigned judicial functions to the executive branch."
In 2020, in response to the appeals court rebukes, the Justice Department announced some reforms, creating a Special Matters Unit to supervise taint teams and create an additional watchdog for a process defense lawyers had begun howling about. The changes did not improve confidence much in the courts.
Are you saying their reputations have been tainted?
Jeffy is definitely tckled to hear it.
Taint teams? Tell me more.
— Tony
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It worked out perfectly for babies.
You sneer, but we wouldn't be having a baby formula shortage if we were still importing melamine-based formula.
Ancient Chinese secret!
My bones are so brittle!
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FBI special agent who launched Trump investigation reportedly escorted out of Bureau
Another useful idiot destined for a lucrative government contractor career.
He can get a news gig like Peter Strozk
He'll be okay. He'll get some cushy consultant jobs, run for a seat in New York and keep the cash, feted in Georgetown, a summer place in Martha's Vineyard.
disgraced intelligence official essentially guarantees a well paid gig at CNN
Nuh uh - jeff last night.
The nice thing about dealing with Jeff and White Mike is that their narratives have often fallen apart before they double down on them.
They should check their email for changes in their talking points more frequently.
Just more evidence they don’t send their best to fifty cent at Reason. The top notch employees get DMs to keep them up.
Beat me to it.
Battlefield brunch! Rifle-wielding Antifa thugs face off with Proud Boys and demonstrators outside children's drag event in Texas - where at least 20 kids saw performers in skimpy outfits serenade them, dance and tell jokes
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11158745/Rifle-wielding-Antifa-thugs-face-Proud-Boys-demonstrators-Texas-drag-brunch.html
Drag queens need armed Antifa to protect them from Proud Boys.
What the actual fuck?
Armed antifa? I thought they were just an idea.
Nardz vs Joe Friday, the ultimate retard fight!
Well at least this time you don't want them to fuck.
You're gross.
Ideas!
Umm...
sarcasmic
October.3.2021 at 7:32 pm
I think him and Nardz are... making sweet homosexual love.
https://reason.com/2021/10/03/how-the-cdc-became-americas-landlord/?comments=true#comment-9138013
Just like you're too stupid to see the difference between disagreeing with your Trump talking points and promoting DNC propaganda, you see me saying what they probably will do and believe it's what I want them to do.
Never change, sarcasmic. Your drunken antics are half the fun here.
I know you won't change. Can't fix stupid.
Lol, you're right, we definitely can't fix stupid.
You defend bad actions from the left constantly.
You say that, yet you never have any examples.
How about every time you glory in the execution of Ashli Babbitt?
No no Chuck, being against law enforcement executing trespassing rioters is now a FAR RIGHT position.
The Proud Boys and Antifa, all true believers who have more in common with each other than they have with normal people. Can they all just go out in the middle of a Texas field and shoot it out amongst themselves.
The Proud Boys and Antifa, all true believers who have more in common with each other than they have with normal people.
Very true. There isn't a rational person in the lot of them.
The sane response to a drag queen show intentionally staged to drive culture war divisiveness is, “I have something better to do with my time.”
Yup.
Attaboy.
Keep on culture warring.
No, that would be you.
What was that you said White Mike?
No the sane responce is jailing the pedofiles
Van you stand in the middle yelling loudly how neutral you are?
This is starting to have pay-per-view potential.
Only if Dee catches a stray bullet.
It is just a matter of time before a real shootout breaks out between a couple of these groups and we end up with something like political death squads. Won't that be great?
I think now that Antifa is showing up armed, its a matter of time.
The proud boys are usually larger, armed, and clearly have firearms experience. Despite this there has not been (not even 1?) shootings of the antifa brown shirts despite them asking for it. The proud boys have actually shown a ton of restraint not to get baited into doing something stupid.
Antifa on the other hand are unhinged liberals. Not only do they not know anything about guns, but they also have that 'by any means necessary' attitude toward anything. They have shown they are willing to vandalize and burn cities to prove their point. With them showing up armed, I bet money its only a matter of time before these undisciplined, unhinged losers either accidentally fires, or purposefully does so. And it wont be pretty after that happens.
I bet money its only a matter of time before these undisciplined, unhinged losers either accidentally fires, or purposefully does so.
All they have to do is point their guns. Rittenhouse was acquitted. Hopefully Daniel Perry will be as well.
There was already a political death squad in either Portland or Seattle (don’t remember which) before the election. A bunch of left wingers chased down a guy in a MAGA hat and executed him.
So it appears the Democrats finally found the dream wedge issue with their “Tranny + children” events, if it has armed Americans ready to shoot it out in the streets. Anything to win elections, I guess.
Nice work, assholes.
Democrats all in for pedophiles.
The gun control angle looses some charm here for the Dems.
As we learned from martial arts such as Judo and Aikido, it takes two to create a conflict. The progressives are staging the provocative events and the right wingers are reacting instead of ignoring.
The progressives are staging the provocative events and the right wingers are reacting instead of ignoring…
Perhaps this is true on a local level. I don’t expect national level, go-along-to-get-along, moral coward Republican leadership to significantly react to these staged “Tranny + children” events.
This might explain why Democrats are so invested in the culture war. Picking a fight they know the spineless Republicans will never engage in, beyond yapping on Fox News.
Maybe this tranny-kiddo crap is a hill right wingers should finally make a stand on, and on a national level at that.
Democrats and Republicans are both very invested in their culture war.
Do they?
Reason Rantling
After Proclaiming The Opposite, Medical Pros Quietly Admit Mutilating Trans Kids Doesn’t Fix Depression
Yada yada, it turns out University of Washington Medicine findings on depression and transgender surgery weren't what was announced. UW Medicine’s communications department seemingly unintentionally misinterpreted the study. But their unwillingness to proactively correct the record was part of a concerted effort to downplay their errors because they had already received huge amounts of positive press
I'm shocked. It seemed like a great idea to take a bunch of depressed, hormonal kids, and pump them full of a shitload of other hormones.
Duh, that's why every "science" communication needs to be written by social justice experts.
This needs to be remembered any time someone says that the Transgendered SCIENCE! (TM) has changed. It is a perfect example of how the "consensus" is increasingly manufactured by sympathetic scientists who know they have done wrong, PR flacks who are looking for publicity, and a press that will report anything that fits their narrative.
Jeff was using this study pretty hard last week and people were telling him it was BS, but he'd read the all headlines so he just knew how lifesaving castration could be for kids.
To be fair, there is another one out there talking about people who socially transition (i.e. not surgical or medicated). The two often get confused, and I have not seen serious criticism of the social one.
This is yet another reason why one should be skeptical of people who would have our society "Science" its way into moral decisions. Science and data are important for the individual, but even when we talk about claims that are not controversial, you are often seeing policy that "helps" 60 - 70% of the population but doesn't work, or even harms the remainder. This type of pragmatic policy is wrong on its face.
Personally, I believe that parents have the right to make medical decisions on the behalf of their kids. This right is not absolute, and if the parent is doing this for their own selfish gain, it is a breach of trust, and immoral to do. This is why Munchausen by Proxy is immoral, or sexual abuse.
Likewise just because a parent holds these rights in trust, doesn't mean they are unlimited. The parent SHOULD be exercising the bare minimum to ensure that the child can reach the age of majority and make these decisions themselves. Making permanent changes to that child that will significantly impair their ability to function as an adult should be avoided unless it is absolutely necessary to prevent a worse outcome for the child.
I know that there are parents out there that have been scared into believing that if they don't undergo transition surgery for their kids, they'll commit suicide or have other major problems. I think the appropriate response is education, shaming of the proponents of these theories out of the medical profession, and ridicule of their enablers.
I stop short of full on prohibitions, because I think ultimately a State with these powers will be much worse than a handful of parents who do stupid shit with their kids. And, who knows, there may actually be a case where transition *is* required to prevent a much worse harm. (I doubt it, but I trust parents more than the State.)
"A bill that passed the California legislature on Monday would "create a government panel that would set wages for an estimated half-million fast food workers in the state," reports the Wall Street Journal."
Ah, open Communism. Yet, Reason won't have article after article about how big a problem this is.
Will there be a separate panel for slow food workers?
No, since within a month all the food will be slow.
That would be giving aid and comfort to the Mises caucus.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/finance.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/eu-plans-emergency-intervention-stem-124515273.html
THE EU is about to tell everyone how much they'll pay for gas they can't produce. We'll get a nice, 3rd hand view of price controls.
Newsom is jealous.
So higher prices didn’t slow consumption enough to save the planet?
They'll have plenty of articles howling about the counter-offer of zero though.
"Ron DeSantis pounces...."
Next up California decrees all hamburger flipping machines are employees subject to full benefits and union dues.
They should probably let them vote too, right?
Only if they speak Dominion.
What if the roboburger machines identify as Cyberdyne Systems Model T-800’s?
I was just about to post a link about that. Bye bye fast food jobs.
Apparently the California state government has decided to run fast food out of business.
What the fuck do they think their constituents feed their kids when they’re not eating their free public school meals?
https://www.cde.ca.gov/ls/nu/sn/cauniversalmeals.asp
Reason Reckoning
New York Senator (D) Pushes Bill Mandating Speed Limiters for All Cars
Also known as traffic jams.
Nobody needs 23 mph.
Or high capacity vehicles. Miatas and smart cars for all. We can call them the people's cars... volkswagens, if you will.
Sounds a lot like a section of that "People Will Die" video Reason had a few years back.
Reason Runcible
White House calls violence in Iraq ‘disturbing’ but says embassy not being evacuated
Did someone put a bad video up on YouTube again?
Runcible.... Had to look that one up, what a cromulent word!
My enthusiastic contrafibularities on your discovery, but I’m anaspeptic, phrasmotic, even compunctious to have caused you initial pericombobulation. Anything I can do to facilitate your velocitous extramuralisation?
Just keep on keeping on Mother.
my vocab has certainly been embiggened today
😉
Reason Retraction
CNN Medical Analyst Says Masking Stunted Her Toddler’s Language Development—and Taught Her an Important Lesson about Tradeoffs
Asian tiger mom overcomes nanny tendencies.
a lesson apparent to anyone with a fucking brain forever ago
apparently the ol 'freedom vs security' debate is completely news to these people
It's not news, it's the groundwork for a narrative pivot.
Like the attempts to blame Trump for the problems with the "vaccines" because he had them rushed...
And Trump somehow forced countries all over the world to adopt vaccine mandates and to avoid investigating for themselves. He's purely diabolical.
It was too much for Howard Hughes.
That's not even a half-hearted apology, you dumb cunt.
There will be no apologies for any of it. Otherwise, how will they pull it off next time?
Reason Rustic
Eight Years or 78, What’s the Difference
When it comes to climate change the Graunaid won't into counting
Math is racist.
How do the numbers make you feel?
Can jellyfish teach us the secrets of immortality?
Twitter trends told me recently that Nicole Kidman's bold new jellyfish hairdo - whatever the fuck that is - gave her that.
Reason Rooting
Elon Musk Says That Civilization ‘Will Crumble’ If We Transition From Oil and Gas Too Quickly.
He's right, but the ones forcing the change figure that they will be okay and fuck the plebs, amirite?
As long as we can let celebs and royalty to drive an EV to their private planes their suffering is equal.
And when they can't fix the power grid enough to charge the VIP EV, they'll just fire up the internal-combustion generator that only VIPs can have, using fuel that's only allowed for VIPs.
For some, that is the point of the endeavor.
That's a feature, not a bug.
What they said.
They would set hourly wages of up to $22 for fast food workers starting next year...
Brought to you by the touchscreen menu manufacturers.
There are a shit ton of entry levels jobs offering $17+/hr in TEXAS.
But inflation, (if it exists ), is transitory.
What about minimum wages for robots?
BTW, could robots be the replacement constituency the Democrats need, what with casting out Asians, and Latinos drifting away? Robots are techy, right? And could be call oppressed workers.
Literal slaves, in fact. And they can control the voting machines. I think you're on to something.
Reason Rudderless
Texas judge overrules ban on 18-to-20-year-olds carrying handguns because they were 'part of the militia in the founding era'
Love it
Hell, back in the founding era, 20-year-olds were middle-aged and expected to be independent, responsible people.
Alexander Hamilton captained an artillery company he himself raised at age 21.
They're part of the militia *today*.
From January through June of this year, federal prosecutors made 883 applications to federal judges to authorize search warrants and issue subpoenas or a summons...
I wonder the number denied.
A number between one and zero?
Reason Ribbing
Bill Maher: Hunter Biden laptop ignored because of media 'conspiracy' to 'get rid' of Trump
Bill Maher better start checking his brakes if he doesn't get back on the reservation soon.
Worn out the R section of your dictionary yet?
I was thinking of maybe rebranding these as "Sarcasmic Educational Services". What do you think?
I'd say you're a moron who can't spell "sarcasmic" correctly.
You think that the capitalization of the first letter of an appellation is a spelling error?
Wow, I guess we really do need to do a "Sarcasmic Educational Services". We'll start with basic grammar.
If you want to educate Sarcasmic, you'll need to start with trepanation.
No shit. I compared letter to letter to see WTF was the alleged error.
The sad part? Sarc thought he was being clever.
Hey sarc, should your handle be capitalized at the beginning of a sentence?
I shudder thinking of whatever happy dance he was doing for the three minutes before his Hindenberg of wit came to a flaming end in the New Jersey of comment sections that is Reason's Comment Section
"Hey sarc, should your handle be capitalized"
"Thats' "you're" you moron!" - Sarcasmic
'"Is it OK to have a conspiracy to get rid of Trump," the host continued. "Look, let’s not pussyfoot around this — he was selling the influence of his father, Joe Biden. I mean, most political sons do, but let's not pretend at least that was going on."
'Rob Reiner, a director and political activist, sidestepped the question, dredging up the Jan. 6 Capitol riot.'
Once a Meathead, always a meathead.
Tiffani Morgan Walton is suing after being stopped from recording a West Virginia Senate debate on a bill to ban abortions and kicked out of the debate.
Police have proven the mere presence of video evidence gathering interferes with official conduct.
President Joe Biden's pick for an intelligence advisory post falsely claimed that Hunter Biden's laptop was part of a Russian disinformation campaign and that Donald Trump's campaign colluded with the Kremlin...
Linking the Free Beacon? How far we've fallen.
"A bill that passed the California legislature on Monday would "create a government panel that would set wages for an estimated half-million fast food workers in the state," reports the Wall Street Journal."
That's just the first step. Next, the legislature will set prices, choose the menu, and bus customers at scheduled times. If that does not work, they will assert eminent domain, confiscate the property, and fine former owners for equity violations.
don't give them any ideas but I'm sure they are already thinking this. note these rules always start with the larger chains in this case must have 100 outlets or more but will soon be dropped to fifty then 30 then all will be required and this rule is essentially the state running a union. i guess the state got jealous of competition from the unions and will do the job itself and collect the fees from the business to run this new buaracracy
They wont collect it from the businesses. The customers will pay.
But prices have nothing to do with wages!
Oops! Reason forgot to include an anti-DeSantis link today.
Remember, with #TrumpDocuments guaranteeing Drumpf goes to prison, the 2024 nomination is between DeSantis and Liz Cheney. And since our benefactor Charles Koch would love to see the return of the early 2000s neocon GOP, there's no better way to accomplish that than putting the Cheney family back in charge.
#LizCheney2024
Nothing says libertarian like being ruled by family dynasties.
Just wait, I don't think we've had a DSDS riddled Sullum article yet today.
Police with the Lakewood Township, New Jersey "Quality of Life Unit" cut down trees in a local town square to stop homeless people from congregating there.
In the armed revenue collection system, those who don't pay property taxes are considered especially heinous. In Lakewood Township, the dedicated officers who landscape away these problems are known as the Quality of Life Unit. These are their stories.
Chung Chung!
White House Stammers After Peter Doocy Nails Illegal Immigration Question
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2022/08/29/white-house-stammers-after-peter-doocy-nails-illegal-immigration-question-n619676
Doocy: "Somebody unvaccinated comes over on a plane, you say that's not okay. Somebody walks into Texas or Arizona unvaccinated, they're allowed to stay?"
Jean-Pierre: "That's not how it works… It's not like someone walks over."
Doocy: "That's exactly what is happening!"
To be fair, nobody from the white house has been to the border.
They couldn't have found a worse press secretary if they actively tried. Seems to be an administration-wide trend.
Diversity hire. The powers that be love diversity - any complaint about them is now racist and sexist. The left hasn't seemed to figure out that if they give the 'right' people a blank check then bad actors will just pretend to be the 'right' people.
See Bill Clinton's 26 flights on Epstein Air.
Diversity hire.
That can't be it. There's like 6 million black women in America. You can't tell me every single one of them is more inept than the lady they picked.
You say that like we're the reason KBJ can't answer the question "What is a woman?". After '1 horse-sized duck or 100 duck-sized horses?' I would've figured "What is a woman?" was a gimme.
But how many black women are gay and can say "Otay Panky" convincingly?
The kicker is that the competent ones have important jobs already and don't want to be mouthpieces for this shit show.
It's just an indicator of the quality of hires at the WH that she was probably the best of them.
I love that for anything important, they have that one white dude help her out. Apparently very unaware that the message their sending is "DEI is the most important thing in the world unless you actually want good results"
No, it's a FYTW hire. The left establishment has become so brazen that not only do they ignore any urge to hide things, they are now deliberately throwing stuff in the country's face.
This.
I'm starting to think that they're trying to rile the proles on purpose.
She literally had to have a white man step in and assist her for a while. Once that was pointed out he was pulled back and she was left to co tinue to flounder.
I thought Psaki was bad - mostly because I felt the WH wasn't giving her the head's up a spin doctor needs to be able to formulate good lies - but this one . . .
Man
to see the day that Doocy's kid is too formidable an opponent for these chumps...jesus the talent out there is just pathetic
Sometimes they have to swim, right?
Running, then? Driving?
scan your face for some third party to "verify your age"
Asians hardest hit.
Das lacist!
and if you think this program will be limited to porn and gambling sites think again. A lot of social sites also have age restricted items. this will start with the kids face scan for every website they visit and then just to open their computer and soon we will all be used to having our face scanned to confirm we are the ones taking our daily medicine in front of the kitchen sink just like in the movie THX 1138.
People should really be against this but you know if it saves just one kid while oppressing everyone else then its ok
Be precise: if it saves one coddled, upper-middle class white kid.
The coddled, upper-middle class, white kids already know how to jailbreak their way around any age restrictions.
Don’t remember seeing that movie.. but I think reality is definitely worse-
https://www.clarkcountytoday.com/news/imagine-the-compliance-pfizer-ceo-praises-ingestible-pills-with-microchip/
There is a twitter embed in the story that has the relevant video.
Not just Asians. I'm white, and I was over 26 before I looked 16. My hair went full gray before I could buy a beer without showing ID. It's a good thing I've never been interested in strip clubs, because by the time I could get in, I'd no longer get a rise out of the show.
I'd be fine with this program if every person falsely rejected gets to sue the officials who established it and the software publishers for a $5,000 statutory minimum per incident.
All hail the Thin Blue Line
You can't expect these Heroes to do their job without being properly caffeinated. As for her losing the baby, just think of it as an involuntary late term abortion.
She just got an unrequested dose of "women's health."
"In my administration, I'm going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information. No one will be above the law."
-- Trump August 18, 2016 (Charlotte NC rally)
I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.
Bill Clinton , 1998
Depends what your definition of jizz is.
If today's firing of the FBI agent that started the investigation is any clue, it looks like Trump kept his word.
"In my administration, I'm going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information. No one will be above the law."
Did you have a point to make? If so, it got lost.
Expecting a point is racist.
I'll lead an effective strategy to mobilize trunalimunumaprzure.
No shit.
Yeah, but the media were not allowed to talk about it then.
A government panel controlling wages for an entire industry? "Sounds like a great idea, with the best of intentions! What could possibly go wrong?"
You're just mad because you don't want burger flippers to be rich.
Burger flipping machines to the rescue. We already have self service order kiosks.
Unionize the robots!
Paying less per burger for burgers grilled by conveyor-belt broilers rather than robots that actually flip burgers is systemically racist.
The conveyor-belt broiler flips the burgers automatically, and the burgers taste better because they're broiled rather than fried. Burger King invented them about 50 years ago. Never understood why McDonald's hasn't adopted them.
It's almost like they want to eliminate low wage jobs entirely.
They do. When a poor kid gets a starter job and does well at it, he's on his way to better jobs and perhaps eventually the middle class. And then he might vote Republican.
"Maryland man who encountered senator in Jan. 6 riot gets over 4 years in prison"
[...]
"A Maryland man affiliated with the far-right Proud Boys extremist group was sentenced on Monday to more than four years in prison for storming the U.S. Capitol, where he encountered Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer as his armed security detail led the New York Democrat to safety
[...]
The leader of Schumer’s security detail told the FBI that their encounter with Pruitt was a harrowing, unforgettable moment. Pruitt was advancing and only seconds from reaching Schumer when the security detail turned and ran with the senator away from an elevator and back down a ramp, detail members said...'
https://www.dailypress.com/news/crime/jan-6-maryland-rioter-prison-sentence-20220830-sziozeucvrh4tpzviq2se5f264-story.html
Imagine Schumer coming face to face with a voter! The man was terrified!
I like how the armed security detail turned and ran.
BTW, the specific charges seemed to have gone missing in all the forelock-tugging regarding the frightened Mr. Schumer.
I like imagining Schumer running, and feeling scared for his life.
With his manboobs bouncing to and fro.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/66890686@N02/44432180972/in/dateposted-public/
"President Joe Biden's pick for an intelligence advisory post falsely claimed that Hunter Biden's laptop was part of a Russian disinformation campaign blah blah etc. etc.," reports The Washington Free Beacon.
Whoa, Reason's crack team of seasoned community college journalism majors cites definitely not biased unknown right-wing rag "Washington Free Beacon," hold them horses!
these days calling a new source "biased" just means it's not part of the Democrat party propaganda arm.
"Kid's Code" bill in California could mean creepy new privacy invasions online. A California proposal to "protect kids" could see websites scanning people's faces and making them submit video "liveness tests" before they can look at content or make purchases
Use a VPN. You should be using one at all times regardless.
VPN does not tell the website monitor the age of the person using the computer
And will gladly cram that info in the pipe as required by both ends.
but california can't enforce that on websites for visitors outside of california.
How it works is the same way the EU's annoying cookie management popup works.
Every website hosted in CA will have to have it. Every website that accepts traffic from CA IP will have to have it. So everyone will have to have it because they're not going to geoblock CA or config their website by IP.
"President Joe Biden's pick for an intelligence advisory post falsely claimed that Hunter Biden's laptop was part of a Russian disinformation campaign and that Donald Trump's campaign colluded with the Kremlin," reports The Washington Free Beacon.
There are normies out there still surprised to find out these things.
Hey, somebody has to believe all the crap spewed out by government and corporate spokes-people.
Damn Prime Minister Trump.
https://twitter.com/CallumMckeefery/status/1564202870706143235
My mum owns a small café in Leicester. Her electricity bill has just jumped from £10k ($12k) a year to £55k ($64k) a year.
She is working out her options but more than likely she will be forced to close.
Has she ever heard of cooking over dung fires?
dung fuel, its the healthy natural choice from mother nature's cows
If she's not sure whether or not she will be forced to close, her electric bill isn't high enough.
'raw foods'.
It's a thing.
What 1st Amendment? CA Senate Passes Bill that Would Punish Doctors for COVID ‘Misinformation’
https://redstate.com/bobhoge/2022/08/30/what-1st-amendment-ca-senate-passes-bill-that-would-punish-doctors-for-covid-misinformation-n619884
BREAKING: #AB2098, which would punish doctors for Covid misinformation, just passed the Senate without any discussion or debate. It will head to the Assembly for concurrence on the amendments and then to the Governor.
Fucking california has gone full Boleshevik
Build the wall!
Dr. Fauci hardest hit.
you can talk to kids about transitioning with meds that will screw up the rest of their life but you can't talk about covid. all hail the Dr Fauci he must be honored.
https://twitter.com/ViciousLilViper/status/1564622721065144324
Universities are about networking, both professional and personal - many people meet their spouses at university. If you're a status-seeker, do you want the spouse/professional network from Ivy U or Adequate Regional U?
The whole education aspect is secondary.
I'd say nonexistent.
I want the spouse from man-worshipping, sexual skills, and sandwich U.
"Sandwich U"
Isn't that where ENB went?
https://twitter.com/InezFeltscher/status/1564618715718639627
How you know this article is not honest: they don’t even mention that women hold more student loan debt because they make up the majority of those in college. No, it must be more oppression.
"Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat."
-- Hillary Clinton
I never saw this quote before, but please tell me its a real.
The level of delusion and self gaslighting you would have to be under to believe that hilarious idea.
It's real:
https://web.archive.org/web/20010726225357/http://clinton3.nara.gov/WH/EOP/First_Lady/html/generalspeeches/1998/19981117.html
Maybe she's complaining about never having the chance to be a victim, seeing as how her husband managed to duck service.
At least Bill did not duck getting serviced, so Hillary could be that kind of victim.
"At least Bill did not duck getting serviced"
That would have truly been unamerican
Bill never would duck being serviced, even on Epstein Air.
two-thirds
This matches remarkably well with the approx. two-thirds of college attendees being women.
But no, has to be the Wage Gap.
Sarah Lawrence?
If Young People Are Mature Enough For Trans Surgeries, They’re Mature Enough To Pay Back Their Student Loans
https://thefederalist.com/2022/08/30/if-young-people-are-mature-enough-for-trans-surgeries-theyre-mature-enough-to-pay-back-their-student-loans/
What about their trans-surgery loans?
don't worry soon they will be covered as well for now you have to be in prison or the military to have your surgery for free
https://twitter.com/AnOpenSecret/status/1564607165561819146
FBI "Supervisory Intelligence Analyst" Arrested for Child Sex Abuse
Robert Alexander Smith, 65, Stansbury Park, Utah
Investigation did interviews with 5 minor girls who said they were victims
Nothing to see here.
"In what seems like a very failed attempt to be reassuring, the Age Verification Providers Association explained that it may not need people's "personal data" to verify their ages, just a scan of their IDs or faces."
So exactly who is going to buy me a camera for my desktop?
Not everyone lives on their cell phone.
It probably won’t work with your dial up modem, grandpa.
Just remember, experience and cunning can beat youth and enthusiasm.
ignored her for two hours and then stopped at Starbucks on their way to the hospital, according to a federal lawsuit she filed after losing the baby.
You mean lost the clump of cells. Isn't that the libertarian position?
Just a couple guys exercising their right to abort over a cup of coffee...
If this happened in a state where a 6-month fetus is considered a human being, would the jailers be charged with murder or manslaughter? Or would they get off scot-free because the prosecutor is a "conservative" copsucker?
Brown University economist Emily Oster talks to Michael Horn, author of From Reopen to Reinvent: (Re)Creating School for Every Child, about American schooling. For the book, Horn set out to look at what went wrong with schools during the pandemic. "But part of the conclusion was schooling wasn't just broken during COVID—it hasn't been working [for] the majority of families for a long time," he told Oster.
That's pretty ditherific.