Klobuchar's Media Bill Won't Save the Press
It'll just lend a hand to the outlets the senator prefers.

Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D–Minn.) likes to paint herself as a 21st century trustbuster. However, her latest antitrust proposal, the Journalism Competition and Preservation Act (JCPA), is pro-collusion and provides an antitrust exemption for politically well-connected news media companies.
What this bill reveals is that the heart of the antitrust crusade by Klobuchar and other neo-Brandeisians is not actually about consumer protection or small businesses. They seek to use antitrust and the force of the government to protect the companies and industries they prefer.
The JCPA pits digital platforms like Facebook and Google against "traditional" media services such as newspapers. To "help" these traditional media companies against the supposedly big, bad tech companies, the JCPA mandates that platforms pay news publishers to link to their articles, creates an artificial limit discouraging news platforms from expanding their newsrooms' reach to reap the law's benefits, and creates an eight-year safe harbor from existing antitrust laws including allowing news companies to collude with one another. In short, this proposal empowers the government to help out its favored, eligible news services while also attacking today's successful tech companies. The real losers, however, are the American people.
The media plays an important role in public discourse, and one incredible benefit of the internet is the ability to access both hyperlocal information and news sources from around the world. For the average consumer, this means access to more sources of information and different voices than ever before. No longer is it just a matter of what makes the morning edition of a few newspapers, but instead, we can see what is happening on the other side of the world and read commentary from new perspectives.
It has allowed us to stay connected to what's going on back home even when we're far away and unable to get our favorite local news sources in print. For example, a beloved local pub in Arlington, Virginia, recently caught fire after a car crashed into it. Like many familiar with Ireland's Four Courts, I rushed online to see what had happened. Initially, the first reports of the incident came from bystander tweets of a local news site. Much to my and others' benefit, social platforms enable the quick sharing of this information rather than having to physically go find it, or worse, wait until the evening news or the next day's local or national paper decides to run it (or not).
But laws like the JCPA could make it more difficult and costly for platforms to provide access and allow users to share this sort of information from small, local news sources. Consumers might end up facing additional paywalls as online platforms will have to pay for sharing news.
Looking into the media industry itself, it's no secret that Americans increasingly distrust legacy news organizations. According to a recent Gallup poll, trust in the media has crashed over the past 30 years. But the press as an idea is still seen as very important to democracy.
As such, Americans and people globally still rely on local and niche news sources to obtain information that may not be important to others. But today, consumers are getting that information from more and different forms than ever before. Not only do we have traditional newspapers, TV, and radio channels, but we also have new types of media emerging, such as podcasts, apps, videos, blogs, and newsletters.
This dynamism is increasing the reach of legacy and emerging outlets alike without the need for the government to step in. However, traditional media outlets seem to be worried about current sentiments against their industry, and they may be turning to the government to ensure they remain viable even if Americans reject them. It's a playbook seen in other instances of industries running to the government and begging it to make things "fair" when the competition heats up, rather than evolving with market demands. The result would likely be, as has happened before, that the government unfairly props up those who are least useful in a changing market by giving them special privileges.
But the potential damage that laws like the JCPA could do is not purely theoretical. We can look at the consequences Australia has faced in light of a similar law. Like the JCPA, Australia's Media Bargaining Code was portrayed as protecting journalism from its loss to social media. Its actual results remain murky at best, and the way it's designed favors certain media players like Rupert Murdoch's News Corp. Increasingly, it has been revealed that proposals like the JCPA are less about helping local news and more about crony capitalism.
Today's journalists face many serious challenges, including the pressure to conform rather than innovate and improve. But the JCPA would further fail today's independent journalists, decrease the amount of information available, and raise costs for consumers, small outlets, and online platforms.
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It'll just lend a hand to the outlets the senator prefers.
*Glares at Reason's pet law passed by progressives and necons*
Yeah, no shit!
If this passes Reason.com should apply for a grant, and see what happens.
Or Project Veritas
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Try that via legacy media, huh?
Does that include writing on bathroom stalls?
Nothing says "free press" like putting the press on the government payroll. Once the government funds the press, it will by definition control it. That is why a fascist like Klocuchar loves this idea.
And we are supposed to fear only the "semi-fascists."
The JCPA pits digital platforms like Facebook and Google against "traditional" media services such as newspapers. To "help" these traditional media companies against the supposedly big, bad tech companies, the JCPA mandates that platforms pay news publishers to link to their articles, creates an artificial limit discouraging news platforms from expanding their newsrooms' reach to reap the law's benefits, and creates an eight-year safe harbor from existing antitrust laws including allowing news companies to collude with one another.
Ultimately, what this is, is one government -backed monopoly being told that another government -backed monopoly will be used to bring them to heel, if they don't start exercising more "repressive tolerance" to suppress non-leftist communication that's a threat to the Cathedral. This isn't any different than that fake-ass "whistleblower " arguing that Facebook needs to censor right-wingers more aggressively.
I have no idea what this bill does after reading this article. Much editorializing with thin evidence.
You do know you can read the bill yourself, right? Or read any of the many articles already written here on Reason that discussed the bill's contents? Yes, this is an editorial - written in the context of lots of other articles already published. Do try to catch up.
To be fair, this isn't the dead-tree version of the NYT or WaPo. Is a direct link or to or quote of the material being opined about too 'out of the question' informative and helpful for 21st Century media types? There are over a dozen links in the article, is one more too much to ask?
>Much editorializing with thin evidence.
Are you new here?
On a related topic - I'd love to see Reason's suggestions for how the mainstream press can restore its credibility.
I personally lean conservative but politically lean libertarian: you do you, I'll do me. I have many conservative friends who often think that I'm a flaming liberal. While I have become a significant skeptic of the mainstream press, these friends absolutely distrust it.
Off the top of my head, here are just a few reasons:
* Twitter and Facebook's treatment of the Hunter Biden story before the election. Sure, those are really "press", but people think they are.
* In October, mocking Trump's claims that there would be a vaccine by the end of the year. Then celebrating the vaccine two weeks after the election.
* Celebrating "mostly peaceful protests" during summer 2020 while blasting any protest or gathering that could be considered remotely conservative.
* There really were some statistically odd voting shifts in the middle of election night due to absentee ballot counting. Rather than admitting it was odd and doing investigative journalism to show that it was still OK, most of the press just pretended that it wasn't even odd and that any questions about it were un-American and anti-democracy. This included the same people who claimed that 2016 was corrupted by Russia now claiming that 2020 was the most secure election ever.
Confirmation bias is a strong force. My far-right acquaintances will never trust the mainstream press again. They live in their conservative social media bubbles and will never come out.
But I don't trust the mainstream press either and I'm not far-right. I've seen too many stories where journalists openly admitted that they were in the bag for Biden because Trump was such a huge danger. It's the "ends justify the means" argument.
Once a journalist has admitted that they will lie and distort for a "good enough" reason, how do I ever trust them again?
Since Reason is full of journalists, I'd love to hear their thoughts.
The best way to restore the mainstream press's credibility would be for the Supreme Court to overturn NYT v. Sullivan and end the public figure doctrine. Make the media actually pay for being wrong and they would start caring about getting the facts correct again and over time regain their credibility. As it is, thanks to NYT v. Sullivan, the media has a license to lie about public figures and has used that license to the fullest extent. While that made for great headlines and some money in the short term, over the the long term it has destroyed their credibility and ultimately I think their business model.
Hunter Biden story - The Steele Dossier was shown to all the larger news sources in Sept 2016, by the company which produced it - Fusion GPS. None of them reported on it before the election, thus protecting Trump from a possible "October Surprise" story much as they did the Hunter story. Remember, it was not confirmed and to this day some of the "stories" to come from it are under suspicion. This is called responsible journalism which benefitted Trump in 2016 and Biden in 2020.
Trump vaccines - so if someone (who?) mocked Trump's claim, the entire "media" is to blame. Is the fact that Trump is an untrustworthy liar have an bearing on how his predictions are treated? By the way, Science magazine and other dry non-political sources thought it would be early spring 2021 before the vaccines were released. Good for the scientists and good for Trump for funding, even if he didn't order enough and tried to pretend Covid wasn't a problem when he knew it was (see Woodward recorded interview).
The Floyd protests were as a matter of fact mostly peaceful and manned more by white college students than radical blacks and antifa members. "The vast majority of Black Lives Matter protests—more than 93%—have been peaceful, according to a new report published Thursday by a nonprofit that researches political violence and protests across the world.
The Armed Conflict Location & Event Data Project (ACLED) analyzed more than 7,750 Black Lives Matter demonstrations in all 50 states and Washington D.C. that took place in the wake of George Floyd’s death between May 26 and August 22."
https://time.com/5886348/report-peaceful-protests/
Everyone knew and predicted that Trump would be ahead early in 2020, but his numbers would shrink compared to Biden's because of Trump's insistence that GOP voters vote in person. His ridiculous claim that this was cheating and they should call the election for him Wednesday morning was part and parcel of his prediction that the only way he would lose was if the election was rigged. He said the same thing in 2016, knowing he wouldn't win the popular vote and never will.
The confirmation bias is in your selective reading of events, not the reporting.
The George Floyd riots caused $2 billion in damages and resulted in the deaths of 15 people.
https://fee.org/articles/george-floyd-riots-caused-record-setting-2-billion-in-damage-new-report-says-here-s-why-the-true-cost-is-even-higher/
Nearly all of that damage was done to minority owned businesses that still haven't recovered. Of course Joe Friday calls them 'mostly peaceful' because Friday like all white liberals is a racist piece of garbage who is happy to see black businesses burned and black people die to make him feel smug. Take your white supremacist bullshit about burning down billions of dollars in minority owned businesses is a good thing elsewhere you racist fuck.
https://fee.org/articles/george-floyd-riots-caused-record-setting-2-billion-in-damage-new-report-says-here-s-why-the-true-cost-is-even-higher/
And the Russian dossier was a fabrication. The media happily played along and said it was true for years before finally admitting it was a fake.
Reason needs to ban racist fucks like you. I don't understand why they allow people like you to post.
Take a pill Jeri off. Nothing i posted suggested i support riots or burning bones and businesses - by the way, your link quotes an Axios report. Axios is run by veterans of the mainstream media and includes NBC among its investors. Getting back to the original subject matter - before you went on the rag- this by itself disproves the contention that the media is biased.
Interesting to hear you're a big defender of black people and a Trump supporter. Must be at least 5 of you. In my past I took part in the Civil Rights movement in the days of Jim Crow in the deep south where I still live. So, in short, suck my dick asshole.
Nothing i posted suggested i support riots or burning bones and businesses -
You called a $2 billion riot "mostly peaceful". The whole point of your post was how the riots didn't matter and were just peaceful demonstrations. They were not. You only think they were because they only burned black owned businesses in black neighborhoods and being a white supremacists, you don't see a problem with that.
If you don't want people to think you are a racist, stop being one and stop saying that burning black businesses is okay.
Yes, I'm just making stuff up:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/mark-zuckerberg-and-hunter-bidens-laptop-joe-rogan-russian-disinformation-fbi-11661544602?mod=Searchresults_pos1&page=1
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/16/twitter-ceo-jack-dorsey-says-blocking-post-story-was-wrong.html
I lived in Kenosha WI during the protests. I guess the burning buildings were just my imagination. I said NOTHING about the race of the protesters - you mentioned that.
Those buildings were mostly owned by black people. Don't expect Shreek to have a problem with that.
Those black store owners were anti-anti-racists.
As you may have noticed, and as my link confirmed, virtually every medium sized city in America had George Floyd protests, and without incident in the overwhelming majority. Being old enough to remember the 60s riots, the Floyd protests were mixed racially and usually more shoes than blacks. Did riots follow in a few cities like Kenosha, Minneapolis, and Portland (where there are almost zero black residents) and were they the acts of despicable opportunists. Yes. But if you think that means that the overwhelming number of the protests and protesters were exercising anything other than their 1st Amendment rights, you're wrong.
At least try to be an interesting troll.
Why anybody on this site would take you or your stupid word salad’s seriously after you admitted to being a vociferous supporter of the democrat party is beyond me. The fact that you plow through any meaningful engagement shown to you to post your vapid and semi retarded talking points shows how dishonest and ignorant you are. Jesus, even Bill Maher is admitting the obvious about Trump and the media. Yet we still have Joe The Retard to puke up all the democrat party and the corporate media’s talking points. Thanks for nothing you fucking rat.
Saving libertarians from themselves, 50 cents at a time.
Let me know when you have any intelligent comments.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults.
Not a one of his posts is worth refuting; like turd he lies and never does anything other than lie. If something in one of Joe Asshole’s posts is not a lie, it is there by mistake. Joe Asshole lies; it's what he does.
Joe Asshole is a psychopathic liar; he is too stupid to recognize the fact, but everybody knows it. You might just as well attempt to reason with or correct a random handful of mud as engage Joe Asshole.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults; Joe Asshole deserves nothing other.
Eat shit and die, Asshole.
The only appropriate response to Joe is to mock his abject stupidity.
The Floyd protests were as a matter of fact mostly peaceful
The dropping of a single bomb on Hiroshima was mostly peaceful...
I guess you are right. The only place a bomb went off was near that one bridge in the center of town, after all.
None of them reported on it before the election, thus protecting Trump from a possible "October Surprise" story much as they did the Hunter story.
Revealingly it is irrelevant to Joe that the Steele Dossier was a Clinton Campaign hoax ironically developed made in collusion with a foreign country while the Hunter Biden story was true. And while Joe pretends the media refused to report on the Biden story in fact the left media loudly published a rebuttal completely without evidence. Of course this was just at the time left wingers pretended to believe Trump's accusations without evidence were completely without precedent in American politics. In reality Democrats engage in this daily and the very people who feign outrage over Trump doing so support these Democratic efforts as we see Joie doing here.
Further the FBI had sat on the story for well over a year, without which it wouldn't have been an October Surprise.
But this is how left wingers think. By omitting important details they pretend different things are alike and disparate treatment is the same. Their only interest is defending their partisan allies.
Marshal ignores the following facts in order to maintain his ignorant claim that the mainstream media unusually avoided promoting an October surprise:
1. The Steele Dossier was named after the MI6 head of the British Russian Desk who developed it based on research and interviews with Russian sources. He would not be naïve about his sources who's allegations are "raw intelligence", meaning subject to further research and confirmation. Some of allegations are confirmed - Russian intelligence was seeking damaging info to use against Clinton and support Trump for instance - and others not - see pee tape. It is absolutely true that the Dossier was shown to the major US news sources in Sept 2016 and none of them published any of it. If they were as the MAGAts here insist in a plot against Trump, they certainly would have.
2. Access to the the Hunter laptop hard drive for verification was repeatedly denied to mainstream media and kept by the NY Post and other Trump friendly sources. To date is has still only been partly confirmed, but still not thoroughly as even the owner of the computer shop says there is information sourced to it that he thinks was not there originally. In any case, at the time leading up to the election - like with the Steele Dossier - mainstream media exercised caution befitting an "October Surprise" with unverified material. That's a fact.
A related fact is the when Comey announced 2 weeks before the 2016 election that Hillary was under FBI investigation, he withheld from voters the fact that so was Trump. Tell me again how the Deep State was against Trump, given that irrefutable fact?
1. The Steele Dossier was named after the MI6 head of the British Russian Desk who developed it based on research and interviews with Russian sources.
As I said and Joe confirms he knows the Steele Dossier was produced in collusion with Russian sources. He omits the Clinton Campaign paid for it with money laundered through legal counsel.
He would not be naïve about his sources
Note the tense here, a theoretical statement rather than an assertion of fact best characterized as wishcasting. In fact Steele was not naive, he performed the task he was paid for which was fabricating a justification for conspiracy theorists to use in a whisper campaign. Nor is Joe naive, he is performing the task he signed up for: deny all facts as irrelevant to protect the hoax so Democrats take as little hit to their credibility as possible
If they were as the MAGAts here insist in a plot against Trump, they certainly would have.
This demonstrates Joe's dishonesty. Even a cursory reading by anyone capable of independent thought drew the inescapable conclusion it was a hoax. [It reminds me of the UVA rape case in that regard]. In fact the very idea anyone could believe this nonsense shows Steele is not a professional intelligence operative, but rather a buffoonish media propagandist. Apparently that's where the big money is today. Journalists declined to publish the Dossier because they knew doing so would ruin them. In fact the Dossier was never intended to be made public but rather to support an anti-Trump whisper campaign which is why it was given to John McCain.
In any case, at the time leading up to the election - like with the Steele Dossier - mainstream media exercised caution befitting an "October Surprise" with unverified material. That's a fact.
Joe lies again. In fact we knew within a few days the laptop was genuine. In fact there is an established procedure for versification in cases like this, which is to review the relevant emails and track them to other parties copied. Revealingly, the left media refused to perform this or accept and report that the NY Post had already done so. They refused to undertake this verification process precisely because they knew they would then have to report the results (because they understood the implications of the NY Post's process).
In addition the left media rushed to produce a rebuttal signed by people with no knowledge of the issue operating solely as representatives of the Deep State trying to support their ally the Democratic Party. The left media exercised no caution reproducing this statement even though it was completely unsupported by any evidence at all, much less passing the much higher standard of "verified". Apparently some publications don't require verification, and the left media always applies that standard in circumstances which protect Democrats (or really, the left-most party in the dispute).
So Joe lied with his assertion the media refused to publish unverified information.
Doubling down on bullshit does not make it true.
Marshal writes:
"Steele is not a professional intelligence operative, but rather a buffoonish media propagandist." In fact he was the head of the British intelligence agency MI6's Russia desk.
"the Dossier was never intended to be made public but rather to support an anti-Trump whisper campaign which is why it was given to John McCain." It is a fact that Steele and Fusion GPS - originally hired by conservatives for oppo research on Trump - had most of the major news sources come to their NYC office to view the Dossier in Sept 2016. Of course they hoped it would be written about and/or published.
Marshal neglects to mention the undeniable facts the Dossier revealed including Russian efforts to discredit Clinton while helping Trump, and past business attempts and ties with Putin associates by Trump.
"In fact we knew within a few days the laptop was genuine." No "we" didn't, and parts are still under question including by the owner of the computer repair store who initially copied the hard drive and reported the find.
As reported in the WaPo (Mac Isaac is the computer shop owner): "After the New York Post began publishing reports on the contents of the laptop in October 2020, The Washington Post repeatedly asked Giuliani and Republican strategist Stephen K. Bannon for a copy of the data to review, but the requests were rebuffed or ignored.
In their examinations, Green and Williams found evidence that people other than Hunter Biden had accessed the drive and written files to it, both before and after the initial stories in the New York Post and long after the laptop itself had been turned over to the FBI.
Maxey had alerted The Washington Post to this issue in advance, saying that others had accessed the data to examine its contents and make copies of files. But the lack of what experts call a “clean chain of custody” undermined Green’s and Williams’s ability to determine the authenticity of most of the drive’s contents.
“The drive is a mess,” Green said.
In June 2021, Maxey, who previously worked as a researcher for Bannon’s “War Room” podcast, delivered to The Washington Post a portable hard drive that he said contained the data. He said he had obtained it from Giuliani.
Responding to findings from news organizations that some material on the drive could be corroborated, Mac Isaac said in a statement: “I am relieved that finally, after 18 months of being persecuted and attacked for my actions, the rest of the country is starting to open their eyes.”
He compared the portable drive he received from The Post to a crime scene in which detectives arrive to find Big Mac wrappers carelessly left behind by police officers who were there before them, contaminating the evidence.
That assessment was echoed by Williams.
“From a forensics standpoint, it’s a disaster,” Williams said. (The Post is paying Williams for the professional services he provided. Green declined payment...."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/hunter-biden-laptop-data-examined/
Main stream media has been untrustworthy for decades at least, but Trump destroyed them. With Trump, they felt justified in their bias, but did not think it was biased.
I don't think they so much intentionally lie, but just live in liberal echo chambers. Conservatives have the same problem, but they have to seek it out, it's not there every time you turn on your phone, computer or TV.
IMO the media could not have been so consistently slanted and hysterical without purpose, i.e. lying. I feel too lazy to look it up now, but I remember The NY Times stating that they were dedicating their efforts to opposing Trump, not reporting the news (or telling the truth).
no one has any reasons to trust the msm. not a single reason. they're all completely corrupt. same thing applies to government.
Strictly, and I do mean strictly enforce citizens united.
Corporations are now people, but their limits are the same as everyone else. If it cost more than the personal limit to make tv or internet content that isn't political in nature, then so be it.
On a related topic - I'd love to see Reason's suggestions for how the mainstream press can restore its credibility.
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#1 - stop lying.
Everything else is window dressing.
I'd love to see Reason's suggestions for how the mainstream press can restore its credibility.
I don't know what Reason would say, but to establish credibility the media would have to apply consistent standards to everyone. Since they have not done this for decades it's going to take decades of doing this before anyone believes it is sincere.
While this is the path I don't believe it will ever happen. There are too many leftists in journalism and media and they are trained to reject professionalism in lieu of acting on their political preferences. This is what "the personal is political:" means. Not only are journalists more political activists than objective observers but their owners generally are as well. Even CNN is only is rejecting their openly far left approach. Their most likely branding end-point is hidden left, offering only enough balance to create talking points of their objectivism while engaging in whatever pro-left activism they can get away with, which is roughly where they used to be.
"Not only do we have traditional newspapers, TV, and radio channels, but we also have new types of media emerging, such as podcasts, apps, videos, blogs, and newsletters...."
Yeah, that's the problem, regardless of the solution. The comments section here is ample proof of how ignorant many are who rely on this kind of crap for their "news". For example 2-3 weeks after it was flatly debunked by NARA, some here still seem to think Obama has 30k White House documents in the trunk of his '73 Gremlin.
Yea, we need to do something about people putting our racist misinformation like how the destruction of $2 billion in minority owned businesses was a "mostly peaceful protests".
Yes, a board worth its salt would ban racist bullshit like that.
I wonder which Reason staffer has their turn with the Joe sock today. Seems more wordy than usual.
Not quite. It's 50K White House and Kremlin documents on a thumb drive in the glove box of a '76 Pacer. Really. I saw it on Twitter.
Good one! I thought of a Pacer and went with the Gremlin.
What kind of a bike?
Obama own website describes how he paid NARA to basically put their name on his storage area where he maintained documents. I linked to it Saturday. What an idiot.
Joe’s not very bright. And a racist to boot.
Yo, Joe...You said "debunked".
Well?
The story is
1. Took 30 million documents.
2. Argued about who should have custody of said documents with the feds
3. Paid a 7 figure sum so the documents would remain exactly where he put them, but official "custody" would remain with the government and his possession would be considered a loan.
What exactly was debunked?
Obama does not have the documents as Fatso alleged and which several idiots here have repeated.
Debunked!
Meanwhile years after the Trump Collusion was debunked millions of left wingers still believe it. It's bizarre, but revealing, left wingers apply stricter standards to blogs than they do to the NYT and WAPO.
Trump colluded with the Russians to gain advantage in the 2016 election. That's proven by both Mueller and the Senate Intel Comm Report of 8/2020 (when the GOP was the majority in the Senate).
Here you go:
"The Committee found that Russian President Vladimir Putin directed the hack-andleak campaign targeting the DNC, DCCC, and the Clinton Campaign. Moscow's intent was to damage the Clinton Campaign and tarnish what it expected might be a Clinton presidential administration, help the Trump Campaign after Trump became the presumptive Republican nominee, and generally undermine the U.S. democratic process. The Committee's findings are based on a variety of information, including raw intelligence reporting. ...
,,,In addition to publishing the stolen documents, the Russian personas used social engineering to seed information with specific individuals associated with the Trump Campaign. The GRU also relied on U.S. social media platforms and media attention for its influence operations. -WikiLeaks actively sought, and played, a key role in the Russian campaign and knew it was assisting a Russian intelligence influence effort. The Committee found significant indications that Julian Assan e and WikiLeaks have benefited from Russian government support
While the GRU and WikiLeaks were releasing hacked documents, the Trump Campaign sought to maximize the impact of those materials to aid Trump's electoral prospects. To do so, the Trump Campaign took actions to obtain advance notice about WikiLeaks releases of Clinton emails; took steps to obtain inside information about the content of releases once WikiLeaks began to publish stolen information; created messaging strategies to promote and share the materials in anticipation of and following their release; and encouraged further theft of information and continued leaks. (U) Trump and senior Campaign officials sought to obtain advance information about WikiLeaks through Roger Stone. In spring 2016, prior to Assange's public announcements, Stone advised the Campaign that WikiLeaks would be releasing materials harmful to Clinton. Following the July 22 DNC release, Trump and the Campaign believed that Roger Stone had known of the release and had inside access to WikiLeaks, and repeatedly communicated with Stone about WikiLeaks throughout the summer and fall of 2016. Trump and other senior Campaign officials specifically directed Stone to obtain information about upcoming document releases relating to Clinton and report back. At their direction, Stone took action to gain inside knowledge for the Campaign and shared his purported knowledge directly with Trump and senior Campaign officials on multiple occasions. Trump and the Campaign believed that Stone had inside information and expressed satisfaction that Stone's information suggested more releases would be forthcoming.
Some of the individuals the GRU targeted for outreach with the Gucci fer 2.0 persona were closely associated with the Trump Campaign, such as long-time Trump advisor Roger Stone.1249 On August 5, 2016, Stone penned an opinion piece asserting that Guccifer 2.0, not the Russians, had hacked the DNC, and repeating the false claims made by the GRU on the Guccifer 2.0 website and Twitter account.12
In addition to disseminating hacked materials through its own personas, the GRU gave information to WikiLeaks as part of a joint effort to secure wider distribution of stolen DNC documents and John Podesta emails. WikiLeaks opted to release those materials, first on July 22 and later on an ongoing basis between October 7 and the election. WikiLeaks also actively solicited and then released the documents for maximum effect, despite mounting evidence that they had been stolen by Russian government hackers. Notably, this was not the first instance that WikiLeaks had taken actions for the purpose of harming U.S. interests. Nor is it the only instance of contact between the Russian government and WikiLeaks, which have a history of parallel and sometimes coordinated actions in attacking U.S. institutions.
The Russian government has pursued a relationship with Julian Assange and WikiLeaks that includes formal partnerships with state-owned media platforms, government assistance for WikiLeaks associates and sources, and information sharing. This relationship has existed since at least 2012 and reflects an alignment between the Russian government and WikiLeaks in seeking to undermine U.S. institutions and security. (U) RT (formerly Russia Today) has provided both beneficial coverage ofWikiLeaks and a formal, compensated media platform for Assange. RT first signed a contract with Assange
(U) While the GRU and WikiLeaks were coordinating the release of hacked pNC, DCCC, and Podesta documents, Trump and senior Campaign officials sought information relating to "missing" Hillary Clinton emails as part of the Campaign's opposition research and press strategies. Beginning in April or May 2016, Roger Stone repeatedly cc;mveyed to Trump and senior Campaign staff that WikiLeaks would be releasing information damaging to Clinton. After the July 22 WikiLeaks release, Trump and senior Campaign officials believed Stone had access to non-public information about WikiLeaks' s ability and intent to release emails harmful to Clinton. (U) Thereafter, Trump directed Campaign officials to stay in touch with Roger Stone about future WikiLeaks activities regarding Clinton-related emails. Manafort in tum tasked Stone to contact Julian Assange, and Stone endeavored to reach Assange through several intermediaries. Stone reported back to senior Campaign officials and· associates, and to Trump directly, and provided advance informatio~ about another expected release relating to John Podesta, which he said would be damaging to Clinton. After WikiLeaks published the Podesta emails on October 7, Trump and the Campaign believed Stone had again acquired accurate, nonpublic information. The Committee could not reliably trace the provision of non-public information from WikiLeaks to Stone, and as a result. could not evaluate the full scope of Stone's non-public knowledge of WikiLeaks's activities. (U) The Trump Campaign strategically monitored and promoted the WikiLeaks releases of John Podesta's emails from October 7 until the· election.• The Campaign tried to cast doubton the October 7 joint DHS/ODNT assessment formally attributing the activity to Russia, and was indifferent to the significance of acquiring, promoting, or disseminating materials from a Russian intelligence services hack-and-leak campaign.....
...At approximately 4:32 p.m. on October 7-approximately 32 minutes after the release of the Access Hollywood tape-WikiLeaks released 2,050 emails that the GRU had stolen from John Podesta, repeatedly announcing the leak on Twitter and linking to a searchable archive of the documents.1677
Corsi said that after the October 7 WikiLeaks release, he and Stone agreed that they deserve.d credit and that."Trump should reward us."1682 However, Corsi said that Stone was concerned about having advance information about the Podesta release, and that Stone recruited . Corsi to make sure no one knew Stone had advance knowledge of that information. After the October 7 release, Corsi claimed that Stone directed him to delete emails relating to the Podesta information.1683 As outlined in his indictment and presented at trial, in subsequent congressional testim~ny to the HPSCI, Stone hid his communications with Corsi about WikiLeaks, and instead identified Credico as his intermediary; he also concealed communications he made directing both Corsi and Credico to obtain advance information about future WikiLeaks releases; and he made misleading and false statements about his communications with the Trump Campaign and individuals associated with the Campaign.1684 Following this testimony, Corsi said that Stone directed him to "stick to the plan"; Stone also threatened Credico to prevent him from testifying · to HPSCI and contradicting Stone's story.....
Trump, in written responses to the SCO, stated: "I do not recall discussing WikiLeaks with [Stone], nor do I recall being aware of Mr. Stone having discussed WikiLeaks. with individuals associated with my campaign."1624 Trump further claimed that he had "no recollection of the specifics of any conversations I had with Mr. Stone between June 1, 2016 and November 8, 2016."1625 Despite Trump's recollection, the Committee ass~sses that Trump did, in fact, speak with Stone about WikiLeaks and with members of his Campaign about Stone's access to WikiLeaks on multiple occasions. ...
...Despite the contemporaneous statement by the U.S. Government warning of Russian responsibility for the hacking and leaking of the DNC, DCCC, and Clinton Campaign documents and emails, the Trump Campaign considered the release of these materials to be its "October surprise."1691 ....
...While the Campaign was using the WikiLeaks documents, Trump cast doubt on the assessment that Russian government hackers were responsible for the hack-and-leak campaign. ..."
There's much more.
https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/press/senate-intel-releases-volume-5-bipartisan-russia-report
Nobody is going to read your boring regurgitated posts you thick headed mongoloid. It would be more meaningful for everyone here to grab a ouija board and transcribe the random strings of letters that would come up. That would at least have some value as random lines of the alphabet would make better constructed arguments and responses than the stupid Rachel Maddow Chris Hayes diarrhea you repeat and repost here every day. When people on the left started giving up the game and admitting what the govt and media (but I repeat myself) did to Trump no amount of Trump obsessed democrat boilerplate will put the genie back in the bottle. It’s common knowledge now and nobody takes your jejune filled diatribes serious. Eat shit you dummy.
My post above is a quote from the GOP majority Senate Intel Comm Report of Aug 2020. Rachel Maddow was not a member.
Trump colluded with the Russians to gain advantage in the 2016 election.
It's revealing none of the assertions in the report demonstrate collusion. At this point the best question to ask Joe is whether he speaks English. Rather the report outlines independent Russian actions and nebulous "contacts" which all campaigns have with major foreign countries. There's never been any evidence Trump worked with, directed, or accepted direction from Putin.
There is however undeniable proof the Clinton Campaign colluded with Russian Sources to effect the 2016 election through the Steele Dossier. By noting Joe, the media, and the left generally have zero problem with Clinton colluding with foreign sources we can conclude their concern about Trump collusion is entirely partisan.
I leave it to intelligent readers to assess the level of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, with Assange as aid. The Clinton campaign paid for oppo research from a respected British MI6 operative with contacts in Russia who unearthed that Putin/Trump collusion. among other things. Putin was helping Trump, not Clinton.
I leave it to intelligent readers to assess the level of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, with Assange as aid.
"None of this actually shows collusion, but it's there, I promise!"
More than that.. you claim Roger Stone is the nexus.
Roger Stone is in jail for telling the FBI he knew something about WikiLeaks when he didn't.
The only people who were associated with Trump who knew anything about it were the people the CIA told about it and then had a CIA asset go ask about it.
Dude... It is all documented. The whole thing was a fraud run out of the Obama white house and then perpetuated by lawyers at DOJ and agents at FBI and supportive judges. The entirety of the Mueller investigation was designed to turn a campaign smear into reality. It isn't speculation.. everything is out in the open now. (At least the big picture is).
And top ranked Democrats al knew.. from the start. Hillary's team came out of the hotel the day after the election, when she refused to concede, and told reporters "don't worry, we are going to impeach him.
Here they are, bragging about it immediately after the inauguration
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/01/us/politics/obama-trump-russia-election-hacking.html
Waving around their smear campaign as if it proves something is just stupid. Despite their best efforts to conceal it, they revealed their conspiracy. Everything you believe so passionately is a lie. And the people who told you it was true are the ones who have documented the lie.
If you didn't know it was a lie by the summer of 2017, you just wanted to believe it so badly that you fooled yourself.
But believing it now? Now that everything has been documented, down to the date Obama was told about Clinton's plan and the date they moved to turn FBI and CIA informants into weapons to subvert democracy and the rule of law. We know the meetings where Obama and Biden conspired with DOJ and FBI officials to frame people.
The notion that insiders would hang on and try to continue covering is perhaps understandable.. but why any other partisans would continue with the sham is beyond me.
Roger Stone is not in jail.
The Senate Comm - run by the GOP majority when the report was written - does not agree with your crackpot conspiracy theories. I don't know where you get your info but it is wrong and you should drop it. I just gave you original source material overseen by Trump's own party members.
Hillary called Trump the night of the election and conceded and congratulated him and then showed up at his inauguration. Trump was a pussy loser who didn't have the balls to do either and slinked off after his coup attempt fizzled.
PS Your news link confirms the information which led to the GOP majority Senate Intel Comm Report of Aug 2020 which linked and quoted.
Fuck off and die, Asshole.
Too bad the first amendment doesn’t grant separation of press and state.
or Social Media \Big Tech and state
Huh? It starts with "Congress shall pass no law".
Everything I've heard and read of this woman leads to one inescapable conclusion: she is truly vile. On a level with Hillary Clinton.
I know a couple of progs who wish Sen. Amy would have been Dr. Jill's Husband's choice for Veep, instead of Sen. Kommiela. Really, which one would be the most dangerous sitting in the Oval Office?
Kamelot is basically harmless, as long as Joe doesn't drop dead anytime in the next couple of years. Then we'd get a real dose of FUBAR.
If Klobuchar has been his choice for VP she'd already be POTUS. Like I said, on a level with Killary.
No you don't. Klobuchar is a centrist Democrat and the progressives in the party are not for her.
Is not providing a link to somebody else's site a benefit to the linked organization as it generates traffic to their site and not a cost they need compensation for?
This seems idiotic as described.
Yes, and the press outlet can always put their news behind a paywall if they don't like it.
all democrat's solutions to problems always require bigger government. they just love them some regulation.
That is a mission and mantra.
The vast majority of journalism school graduates are taught that promoting social justice is first and foremost than finding the truth in any story. Until that changes journalism will remain a repository for left wing idealogues.
Why don't conservative-controlled campuses offer journalism programs that push right-wing preferences (superstition, bigotry, ignorance, backwardness, and the like)?
Because nobody can compete with the ignorance, bigotry, backwardness, and sheer fascism of progressives and people like you.
That's the f*cking reason she is doing it!
Stop writing as if it's a surprise that politicians do things that are good for themselves and disastrous for the country.
Since 1917 more than 90% of “Espionage Act” indictments have been used to punish non-spies including journalists and legal whistleblowing (that was legal pre-Bush Administration in pre-2000). This is the exact opposite of what this law was intended for.
The George W. Bush Administration systematically disabled the internal whistleblower channels to report waste, fraud, abuse and war crimes. Then Bush fired the IGs (agency watchdogs) that would have policed those abuses, derived from that whistleblowing system.
If Congress really wants to help the Press, limit the Espionage Act only to persons that are real spies trying to harm the USA. Not to punish America’s own government employees, trying to honor their Oath of Office trying to protect Americans (ie: John Kiriakou of CIA, Edward Snowden of NSA, Chelsea Manning of DOD, Thomas Drake of NSA, etc). Stop using it to punish journalists and a free press.
Congress could also finish implementing the 9/11 Commission recommendations. This commission cost lots of tax dollars using independent experts. Why hasn’t Congress finished this work?
I shall note that unlike those people, no charges are pending against the people from the FBI and DOJ who "siezed" privileged material from project veritas and immediately leaked it to the New York Times.
Attorney General Garland pompously declared that his investigation of Trump will not operate by leaks... Yet many organs of the press are well informed as to the ",facts" that his office wants them to repeat. Interestingly, they continue parroting the "facts" from these leaks even after the last fact turned out to be a lie, as did the one before, and the one before....
It is almost as if there was an agenda at work, rather than a fealty to the rule of law.
The real losers, however, are the American people.
Should bein every Reason article.
This reads like the work of a paid right-wing mouthpiece.
This reads like the work of a troll posting subroutine.
If you are an ignorant, heavily indoctrinated leftist somewhere to the left of Mao and Marx, that's no doubt what it reads like to you.
Needs more foaming at the mouth racism and homophobia.
Amy Klobuchar is from the a leftist area of a leftist state. She doesn't live in a rural area of Minnesota, but rather in a entitled leftist enclave. She is used to a single party state with media that acts as the propaganda arm of the democrat party. There is not a single moderate bone in her body. Perhaps not quite as radical as some, but she is solidly leftist.
A couple of people mentioned it above, but it bears more emphasis: the cat is out of the bag. Zuckerberg told us exactly what happened in the 2020 election with respect to the Hunter Biden laptop.
It was not "bias". It was not "careful reporting".
And most of all, it was not "private companies making decisions for themselves".
We spent a couple of years wondering how the DNC managed such tight command and control on a story that involved Biden taking bribes from foreign entities, drugs, sex, possible incest and even statutory rape. Now we know.
The FBI went around telling tech and media companies to bury the story.
And they must have done so with some teeth, because they all complied.
For years the defense against conservatives complaints of censorship has been "if it is a private company, it isn't censorship." It wasn't true, and it was terrible public policy... But that was the only take from Reason. We went from "shadow bans don't exist" to "they can control hate speech" to "private entities can do as they wish and Republicans should not complain"..... All supported by an oft repeated assertion that it would only amount to censorship if the state was somehow directing the action.
And now?
We know the White House has bragged about handing out lists of things to tech companies for them to censor. And we know that the actual federal bureaucracy in the guise of the federal police has been directing tech companies and the press as to what they can allow and what they cannot allow.
Well?
You have painted yourselves into a corner. The exact scenario that Reason unanimously declared to be the gold standard for state censorship is what in fact happened in the 2020 presidential election.
Where are you going to run to now?
You all said $250k of Facebook memes totally stole the election in 2016. How much is complete censorship on every news station and every social media platform worth?
We know the result. Several polls showed that had Biden voters known the contents of the laptop, they would have changed their votes in large numbers. This is your most free and fair election in history. Above all reproach.
These are your own standards.
What now, voice of Reason?
Facts
"Yes, but they were private companies making a private decision to comply with the FBI after being threatened by the FBI! See, it's capitalism and free markets at work!" --Reason+progressives
If the Hunter Biden laptop is taken at face value, the penny ante deals which we have no way of knowing actually involved his still not rich Dad, the pale in comparison to known facts about Trump and his grifting family. Ivanka got a sweet deal with the Chinese while he was president and Jared got a $2 billion deal with the Saudis. Who knows what the Don jr and the other clown got. Dad charged outrageous prices to the US govt for his hotels and required everyone from Pence on down to stay at them no matter how inconvenient.
And how does this square with giving more Power and Money to the federal government?
No, the FBI did not tell FB to bury the story.
BBC:
"Zuckerberg told Rogan: "The background here is that the FBI came to us - some folks on our team - and was like 'hey, just so you know, you should be on high alert. We thought there was a lot of Russian propaganda in the 2016 election, we have it on notice that basically there's about to be some kind of dump that's similar to that'."
He said the FBI did not warn Facebook about the Biden story in particular - only that Facebook thought it "fit that pattern".
The article remains controversial. The hard drive at its centre was provided to the Post by Donald Trump's own lawyer, Rudy Giuliani.
More than a year after the story appeared, the Washington Post conducted its own analysis and concluded the laptop and some emails were likely to be authentic - but the majority of data could not be verified due to "sloppy handling of the data".
Other once-sceptical news organisations such as the New York Times have agreed at least some of the emails are genuine.,,,"
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62688532
PS "Facebook did not completely ban sharing of the article, but instead limited how much its algorithm automatically shared it to other people for a week, while third-party fact-checkers tried to verify the reporting.
So while people could post the article and discuss it, it was less likely to spread organically to new users...."
As I noted above major news sources where shown the Steele Dossier - much of which has been confirmed about Russia aid to Trump in 2016 - in Sept 2016 in NYC and none of them published it or reported on it. Like the Hunter Laptop story, it was October surprise stuff unconfirmed at the time and responsible journalism meant holding back on it. That helped Trump in 2016 and Biden in 2020. Of course trump was also helped by the fact that supposed Deep State actor James Comey announced Hillary was under FBI investigation 2 weeks before the vote in 2016 while withholding from voters the fact that so was Trump.
<much of which has been confirmed about Russia aid to Trump in 2016
Too bad it was made up out of whole cloth.
See Senate Intel Comm Report quote above which states Putin's intent to help Trump and damage Clinton. The Comm was majority GOP at that time.
Intent doesn't mean shit.
You have to be willfully ignorant to claim it is not the real deal. There is zero legitimate controversy. The other people on the emails verified that they were indeed real. Hunter's own business partner verified the emails, the scheme, the payout and Dad's role. Even Hunter never denied it.
This is all just a dream, the rats in the cage have already finished with your face.
Cyto +1000, Beautifully put.
CNN, NYT and WaPo are licking their chops!
Oh, and the SF Chron would be too, if they claimed to be a newspaper out loud and could get anyone to quit laughing.
How many links to Ye Olde Media are already behind a paywall? Social media companies can simply not permit linked news and Ye Olde Media will now get nothing.
Stupid legislation. Just goes to show how far gone even the "moderate" Democrats are.