Americans Increasingly See Political Polarization Overtaking Public Education
School choice would help families escape classroom battles by leaving the battleground.

It's no secret that public schools are battlegrounds over classroom bias and policy preferences. The conflicts escalate as time goes on, hurting students and teachers alike. Many families have a solution: they want out, so they can guide their own kids' education without having to fight over ideology and procedures. But hardliners who favor government control are trying to prevent their exit. Those blocking school doors need to be pushed out of the way so children can learn.
"Partisan rifts widen, perceptions of school quality decline," reads the headline on the results of the latest survey of public opinion by Harvard University's Education Next. "Using Education Next survey data from 2007 to 2022, we reveal that the average difference in opinion between the two major parties has grown larger on many of the items we have tracked over the years. Second, we are witnessing the emergence of new issues that reflect exceptionally large partisan splits. Over the past two years, we have introduced questions about schools' responses to the pandemic and recent debates about how to teach about the role of race in America's past and present. In contrast to many of the education-policy topics that we have explored in prior iterations of the survey, respondents' positions on these issues appear to map more directly to their partisan identities."
"To say that the politics of education is increasingly partisan is not to say that it is exclusively partisan," authors David. M. Huston, Paul E. Peterson, and Martin R. West emphasize. But among the biggest splits are highly partisan divides over COVID-19 response and controversial interpretations of history.
"About 65 percent of Democrats support face mask mandates in schools, with 15 percent opposed. Among Republicans, the breakdown is essentially the reverse: 19 percent in support and 63 percent opposed," the report notes. "Fully 54 percent of Democrats think their local schools are placing too little emphasis on racial matters, compared to 10 percent of Republicans. Meanwhile, 51 percent of Republicans think there is currently too much emphasis on racial matters, compared to 9 percent of Democrats."
"Despite the education-policy community's long history of trying to keep political pressures at arm's length, public opinion on education issues seems to be increasingly drawn into the powerful current of partisanship in contemporary American politics," the authors add.
Unsurprisingly, a RAND study earlier this year found that COVID-19 response and "the intrusion of political issues and opinions" including the treatment of racial matters are major job-related stressors. "Educators who reported being harassed about politicized issues experienced lower levels of well-being and worse perceptions of their school or district climate; they were more likely to cite the politicization of their profession as a reason for considering leaving their jobs."
It's not a shock that intractable disagreements over what is to be taught and the conditions under which teaching occurs have many educators at the end of their ropes. So, wouldn't it make sense to stop shoehorning people with incompatible preferences into the same institutions and let them pick education approaches that work for their kids?
Hey! That's something on which people agree across the political spectrum.
Education Next's survey found that while Americans' perceptions of public schools have been slipping since 2019, "support for charter schools ticked back up to 45 percent after lows of 39 percent in 2017 and 41 percent in 2021. Similarly, support for both universal vouchers (50 percent) and vouchers for low-income families (48 percent) has recovered from its 2021 levels (45 percent and 43 percent, respectively). Meanwhile, scholarships for low-income families funded by tax credits, which had 55 percent support in 2017 and 56 percent support a year ago, now enjoy the backing of 61 percent of Americans. … Fifty-four percent of Americans favor allowing parents to homeschool their children, compared to 45 percent in 2017."
Every possible educational reform is gaining support while traditional public schools lose esteem. Many of these reforms make it clear that education funding is for students, not for government-run institutions. They ensure that money follows kids to their classes, wherever they are. For example, Arizona recently expanded education savings accounts (ESA) so families can choose how to use some of the taxes they pay.
"Families would receive over $6,500 per year per child for private school, homeschooling, 'learning pods,' tutoring, or any other kinds of educational service that would best fit their students' needs," comments Arizona's Goldwater Institute, which advocated for passage. More money is available for children with special needs.
Nobody has to participate; Arizonans can keep their kids in traditional public schools without making any effort. Nevertheless, the program is popular.
"IMPORTANT! Due to high volume, you may receive an error message when trying to create an ADE Connect account. Please try again later," reads the Arizona Department of Education's Empowerment Scholarship Account application page as of August 21.
That escape hatch from a public school system for which people have diminishing respect and eroding patience may excite the public but is unacceptable to defenders of the old institutions.
"ESA vouchers take more money away from our already underfunded schools," complains Save Our Schools Arizona, which believes that education funds belong to government buildings and employees, not to the children seeking education and whose families pay taxes. The organization is funding a petition drive to overturn ESA expansion.
Maybe anti-choice activists just like conflict. If successful, they'll trap families that can't afford tuition on top of taxes in institutions they don't respect, that show every sign of continuing as political and cultural battlegrounds, and in which some teachers feel compelled by endless disagreements to quit. That guarantees a future of escalating disputes that interfere with learning and create unpleasant environments for everybody. To judge by their conduct, anti-choice activists are cruelly wedded to encouraging combat in the classroom.
That's why anti-choice activists need to lose, so children and families can win. In a country in which people increasingly disagree on a host of issues, government-controlled schools are destined to be battlefields so long as we try to force people with clashing views to share them. Rather than settle for partisan conflict and perceptions of declining quality, we can escape classroom battles by letting people leave the battleground.
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"Americans Increasingly See Political Polarization Overtaking Public Education"
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Polarization, opposing conclusions on the same issue, is the result of misinformation or corruption.
School choice certainly doesn’t come close to addressing it. In fact, it obfuscates the issue.
Truth aka reality is the only thing that we all share in peace.
Criminalize lying and polarization goes away.
Private sector burrocrats are just as evil and unproductive as government burrocrats. But competition is what makes private sector burrocrats acceptable, since companies go out of business if the bosses don't restrain them. Government burrocrats have no such restraints, which is what makes them such intolerable arrogant patronizing asshats, especially when given guns and arrest power.
You hate competition. It encourages freedom of thought and action, which statists despise more than anything.
Fuck off, slaver.
He is an admitted neo-Nazi.
You are a bald faced liar who can’t prove what you claim nor refute what you deny.
You try to polarize with your lies.
Like all lying waste of skin sheeple, you choke on the challenge to prove your claims. Hahaha
Huh. Just proved his point.
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You’re delusional.
You're a steaming pile of Nazi scum.
You’re a bleating sheeple.
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You're literally calling for the government to adjudicate the truth dumb dumb. Or how else does criminalizing lying work in your head? This fundamentally makes you a statist you holocaust denying, government control pushing goon.
No.
By calling for the government to criminalize lying I’m forcing them to define it, the crime, and with it the mutually exclusive opposite truth.
The only rational criteria to do so is logic and science.
Unbelievably, this has never been done by government but is necessarily done all the time by scientists and philosophers.
Courts have already criminalized lying without the benefit of this clear definition.
Btw, I have refuted the holocaust with logic and science that none of you bleating sheeple have ever refuted.
Rob Misek is very simple.
It hates Jews.
It says Jews lie.
Outlaw lying as it defines lying.
It can get rid of the Jews.
I know better, I just drank too much coffee this morning.
Being a Jew is nothing more than belonging to the religion of Judaism.
The holiest prayer in Judaism on the holiest day is clearly a plan to lie. The faithful can lie for another year with the comfort and blessing of their religion. If Satan is the father of lies, members of the Jewish religion are his faithful children.
Here is the Kol Nidre text. The holiest Jewish prayer on the holiest Jewish day.
“All vows, obligations, oaths, and anathemas [curses]which we may vow, or swear, or pledge, or whereby we may be bound, from this Day of Atonement until the next we do repent. May they be deemed absolved, forgiven, annulled, and void, and made of no effect: they shall not bind us nor have any power over us. The vows shall not be reckoned vows; the obligations shall not be obligations; nor the oaths be oaths.”
When lying is criminalized either Judaism will discard its holiest prayer or will be advocating crime aka illegal.
Yes criminalizing lying besides eliminating corruption, has the added benefit of wiping out or correcting Judaism.
Exhibit A
Refute it or your exhibit is meaningless.
What a nutcase. He and SQRLSY belong in a sack together.
May they be deemed absolved
"May" is a request, not a demand. Further it is an acknowledgement that man cannot force a contract on God.
Every fucking year with this stormfag.
I’ve heard Jews try to make that excuse before. That the Kol Nidre is about making and breaking promises etc with God, not other people.
Because if it was about other people it would clearly be a prayer that excuses plans to lie. Right?
Except, since God knows everything, including what you’re planning, lies don’t work on God.
So unless Jews or their God are too stupid to realize that, their attempt to lie fails again.
And the definition of “may”
4 : SHALL, MUST —used in law where the sense, purpose, or policy requires this interpretation
Contracts. Hahaha.
Oh look, the Nazi has thoughts about Jews. Go figure, huh?!
In this thread, Misek the stormfag again deliberately skips over the proper definition of "may"
3 - used in auxiliary function to express a wish or desire especially in prayer, imprecation, or benediction.
And you deliberately skip over the part about atonement and repentance. You truly are a stupid fuck.
And while we're at it - "Kol Nidrei is written in a mixture of Aramaic and Hebrew. Its name is taken from its opening words, words which mean "all vows". The formula proactively annuls any personal or religious oaths or prohibitions which are made between oneself and God for the next year, so as to preemptively avoid the sin of breaking vows which are made to God but are not or cannot be upheld."
That's right. between man and God. Idiot.
Do Jews think their God knows everything or not?
If so, God knows when you’re going to lie before you even do.
Without the ability to fool God, lying to God, or admitting you will is completely ridiculous and unnecessary.
To believe that is the meaning of the Kol Nidre is to believe that Jews are that stupid.
Are Jews so stupid or don’t they believe God knows everything?
If lying were illegal, you'd be doing a life sentence, Nazi shit.
Someone would have to refute what I say first.
Hahaha
You may find the velvet chains of private corruption acceptable, but you’re still a slave to it, advocating slavery.
Says the Nazi. That's some irony right there!
Refute it you can’t.
Refute what, you lying pile of Nazi shit? Your bullshit assertion?
Refute what you deny, like I do.
"Criminalize lying"
Is that parody? If so, it's not very good. Poe's law.
If it wasn't parody, who precisely do you propose gets to be the arbiter of "truth" in these cases? You?
Do you think that perjury is parody?
That lying has already been a crime since justice was conceived.
How obtuse are you?
Perjury is a very specific crime with clear elements and defined terms. It's a lot higher standard than just "lying".
Lying
marked by or containing untrue statements
Perjury
the offence of wilfully telling an untruth or making a misrepresentation under oath:
Perjury is simply lying under oath in court.
Even using your casual definitions, you've written out the "willful" requirement. The legal definitions are actually quite a bit more complicated. Look, for example, at just how few perjury prosecutions there are in any given year. If you think that's because everyone else involved in every litigation everywhere is upstanding and perfect truth-tellers, I have a bridge in Brooklyn you might be interested in.
You can't just wave away the problem. Courts have a great deal of trouble determining who's telling the truth even when the facts are straightforward. They are rightly cautious of attempts to expand their scope to general "lying". Much of our current First Amendment precedent is based on that reality.
Rhetorical games aside.
When someone actually swears to tell what they know is the truth, how exactly could not doing so, not be willful?
Criminalizing lying will advance the attack on corruption from all sides.
Everyone will want to record everything they do all the time to protect themselves from wrongful accusations and to see the guilty receive justice.
Where then will liars hide?
How will anyone be corrupt when they are recorded by everyone they would coerce?
How will any criminal escape when peoples recordings coordinate to track them from crime to lair?
How will people justify that the evidence that refutes a lie is a crime to share when the liar must be brought to justice?
Criminalizing lying will drive all of this and elevate humanity beyond self degrading corruption.
The sacrifice is don’t lie. Don’t coerce others with misinformation to act in your interest instead of their own.
Cops, lawyers, politicians etc will risk their careers if they’re caught lying and they will be caught.
No criminal will be safe.
Just the way I like it.
Oh look, the Nazi has an opinion. How quaint.
It’s not merely an opinion. I’m stating facts that you can’t refute.
You’re ranting and raving. As usual.
You say that to everyone you can’t refute.
Okay, I'll rephrase. Oh look, the Nazi stated some facts. How quaint.
Better, but you’re still wrong.
I’m not a Nazi. Unless you have some way to prove I am, which you don’t, you’re lying.
Your literal postings about hating Jews and liking the Nazis is my proof.
Dude, you can't be a raving anti-Semite and defend the actions of Nazis and then turn around and wonder why people call you a Nazi.
If you're going to choose to be a giant piece of shit, at least own it and don't deny it.
I have never said that i either hate Jews or like Nazis.
For you to say otherwise, without a shred of proof, you are a liar.
I have provided irrefutable evidence of logic and science that demonstrates that Nazis did not commit the holocaust they have been persecuted for.
You nor anyone else certainly haven’t refuted anything That’s all.
I challenge you to refute anything I’ve said or admit you’re a lying waste of skin.
I like to feed trolls what they can’t refute and laugh when you choke.
Hahaha
"So, wouldn't it make sense to stop shoehorning people with incompatible preferences into the same institutions and let them pick education approaches that work for their kids?"
Crazy talk from anti-Government-Almighty hate-mongers! Now stay in your lanes and support your selfless, purely pubic-spirited local teachers' unions! KNOW and respect your Betters, v/s your proper station in society! Weren't you listening when YOU went to pubic school?
Tuccille, you have noticed that part of the rationale for public schools is having a common experience? Part of the point is forcing views on the children of people whose worldviews they despise.
I get your snark and it is sad but true.
I wish we could better teach at least, "There are other views that are out there, different than your own, and you should best try to get along with those who hold those views, if at all possible. Tolerating actual conspiracy to commit genocide? No, toleration isn't possible there. Short of those kinds of things, strive for toleration and peace! War sucks!"
But that's A WHOLE PARAGRAPH!! Ugh!!! First, we must teach them the discipline (non-laziness) and intellectual skills to actually READ a whole paragraph!
Funny how JD doesn't mention the 800 pound gorilla in the room. You can't tell this story without mentioning the Teacher's Unions and their Democrat lapdog politicians. It doesn't mention having people, who speak out about changing public schools, removed from school board meetings, by the force of Law if necessary. It doesn't mention school boards and/or school administrations compiling information on people who disagree with them. It doesn't mention boards or administrations notifying the employers of these people and some of them losing their jobs because of it.
Finally it doesn't mention a school board organization requesting that parents who don't agree with them be labeled as "domestic terrorists" and requesting the the FBI investigate them as such.
Reason.com HAS mentioned those kinds of things! You can't put 79 pounds of shit in a 5-pound bag! This article didn't mention the evils of Attila the Hun, either! (The Google Which Knows All Things can tell you a LOT about Attila the Hun, and MANY other things! J.D. TUCCILLE, I assume, wanted to write a short, punchy, LIMITED-LENGTH article... And did a good job of it!)
"Unsurprisingly, a RAND study earlier this year found that COVID-19 response and "the intrusion of political issues and opinions" including the treatment of racial matters are major job-related stressors. "Educators who reported being harassed about politicized issues experienced lower levels of well-being and worse perceptions of their school or district climate; they were more likely to cite the politicization of their profession as a reason for considering leaving their jobs.""
I appreciate the blind eye to the fact that if you worked anywhere in 2020 I'm sure you're employer did something along these lines. My old job sent multiple emails to it's entire US staff (over 14,000 people) about how they supported BLM, but I'm sure it's just a stressor for educators lol! Even if they really tried to stay out of it, basically every company did something to virtue signal around COVID. Mine went full overboard and just a couple weeks ago (since it was in Portland) in the middle of the shift my old coworkers texted me to tell me they all had to mask again.
So then, where are we headed? Separate schools for "Team R" v/s "Team D" schools! (MAYBE we'll be lucky and have a small sprinkling of "Team L" schools!)
"Team R" teachings: Vaccines have brain-controlling micro-chips in them, trying to control us, the Amphibian People (like Pepe the Racist Frog) love us, while the Lizard People are stealing are votes! Blue lives matter, and black lives don't. Back the Blue, and warshit Saint Ashli Babbitt! Government Almighty has schizophrenia, in that "Team R" parts of Government Almighty LOVE you, while "Team D" parts of Government Almighty HATE you!
"Team D" teachings: MANDATED face masks will prevent cancer, bad breath, and death of all kinds... The Amphibian People (like Pepe the Racist Frog) HATE us, while the Lizard People LOVE us, by taxing the evil RICH humans and Amphibian People and then giving US good people the resulting bennies! ONLY Black lives matter, and saying that "all lives matter" is profoundly HATEFUL!!! Back the rioters, but only if they are on OUR side! Government Almighty has schizophrenia, in that "Team D" parts of Government Almighty LOVE you, while "Team R" parts of Government Almighty HATE you!
"Team L" teachings: Government Almighty sucks, and so, should do only what it absolutely MUST do! Government Almighty loves scarcely anything more than the powers and riches of those individuals who work for it, plus special interests. Only the Mammal People are to be trusted, and then, only if there are treated as individuals, and not as a group!
If only someone had seen this coming - - - --
Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
The battle outside ragin'
Will soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'
Bob Dylan 1964
The people Dylan were singing about are now the ones in charge pushing the CRT and DEI crap.
Good intentions!
This is why beating down hippies is always the right call.
So when will some clever lad demand an environmental impact study on all those busses shuttling all those kids all over the town twice a day?
It seems to me that could shut down the mega-schools and favor pods and home schooling and smaller private schools.
ONE of the reasons why we can't have anything smaller than a mega-school is SOOOO many laws and regulations! Each school must have on-staff, immediately-at-hand highly educated bureaucrats, lawyers, social workers, etc., for smoothing over ruffled feathers concerning hurt baby feelings (one specialist for each topic) about... race... ethnicity... nationality... skin color... primary language... LGBTRKLGWEIS... Self-proclaimed species... haircut... obesity... tattoos... propensity to fart... moral and ethical handicaps (ooops, I mean disabilities)... cannibalistic lifestyle tendencies... And MANY more!!
If schools are smaller there will be less variety.
But hardliners who favor government control are trying to prevent their exit.
Damn Christian Conservatives.
I love how the innocent victims of the politicization are the marxist ideologues pushing multiple critical theories in praxis, I mean teachers, and the children. One of these is not like the other you DNC shill.
Yes, the tribes are NEVER the same as each other! My tribe ALWAYS good; other tribe ALWAYS bad! Always the SAME answer here, no matter WHICH tribe is the tribe of the person being asked the question(s)!
The intelligent, well-informed, and benevolent members of tribes have ALWAYS been resented by those who are made to look relatively worse (often FAR worse), as compared to the advanced ones. Especially when the advanced ones denigrate tribalism. The advanced ones DARE to openly mock “MY Tribe’s lies leading to violence against your tribe GOOD! Your tribe’s lies leading to violence against MY Tribe BAD! VERY bad!” And then that’s when the Jesus-killers, Mahatma Gandhi-killers, Martin Luther King Jr.-killers, etc., unsheath their long knives!
“Do-gooder derogation” (look it up) is a socio-biologically programmed instinct. SOME of us are ethically advanced enough to overcome it, using benevolence and free will! For details, see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Do_Gooders_Bad/ and http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Jesus_Validated/ .
Ok Groomer.
Sorry but my tribe objects to child ass sex. Get over it.
My tribe objects to child ass sex, and NEVER does ANYTHING wrong!
“MY Tribe’s lies leading to violence against your tribe GOOD! Your tribe’s lies leading to violence against MY Tribe BAD! VERY bad!”
Got it!
See https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/566982-terrifying-new-study-says-our-conspiracy-theory-epidemic and (same thing) https://www.salon.com/2021/08/08/a-terrifying-new-theory-fake-news-and-conspiracy-theories-as-an-evolutionary-strategy/
A terrifying new theory: Fake news and conspiracy theories as an evolutionary strategy.
Social scientist Michael Bang Petersen on why people believe outrageous lies — as a tool in violent group conflict.
So we instinctively hold fast to the lies that we WANT to believe, to mark our tribal allegiances! And to pre-justify “my tribe’s violence GOOD, and YOUR tribe’s violence BAD!” This is next to impossible to “educate away”, since it is so primordial. It’s not a matter of FACTS; it is FAR more so, a matter of tribal alliances and allegiances, and political (and even physical, in times of war) survival.
The true nature of reality has very-very little to do with short-term political success. That’s what the above-cited article is all about! Short-term political success has MUCH more to do with signaling that “I am part of OUR tribe! I hold ALL of the wacky beliefs that OUR tribe holds, whether they are true, or not! My tribe’s violence GOOD; THEIR tribe’s violence is BAD! So when our tribal chieftain is looking to whack the bad guys with a stick… Remember! I am one of the GOOD guys! I go with the untruths of OUR tribe, NOT those of the BAD tribe!”
Fucking SICK, unthinking barbarians!!! Jesus-killers, Gandhi-killers, and Martin-Luther-King killers!!! KILL those who make you look bad, by being better humans than you are!
Fucking kids up the ass is wrong. No amount of screaming is going to make that okay or make the Democrats right for being the party of child sex. Give it up.
Jesus-killing, Gandhi-killing, and Martin-Luther-King-killing, and the killing of people who do NOT believe that the Lizard People stole the votes, and the killing of ALL and EVERY decent (better than YOU) person who points out that hate, lies, and tribal violence based on lies, is EVIL and as WRONG as wrong can be... IS evil and wrong!!! No amount of screaming is going to make that okay!! Give up your evil ways!!!
Here, read this, to get started: M. Scott Peck, The People of the Lie, the Hope for Healing Human Evil
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0684848597/reasonmagazinea-20/
People who are evil attack others instead of facing their own failures. Peck demonstrates the havoc these “people of the lie” work in the lives of those around them.
Okay Groomer. Defend it all you like but you are still a fucking pervert.
Citation please, Jesus-killing, Gandhi-killing, and Martin-Luther-King-killing "do-gooder derogator"! Whoever shall make you look BAD? By being a better person than YOU? They must DIE-DIE-DIE, right, right-wing wrong-nut?
PS, WHY, Santa, WHY? WHY does "Team R" continue SOOOO adamantly, to DEMAND that they should continue to be allowed to drink the blood of the young innocent Christian babies!??!?!
Tired of reading your demented bullshit. Welcome to being muted.
Welcome to smug, self-righteous ignorance! You should get together with Rob Misek!
School choice is NOT THE ANSWER. It's only the answer if you are asking the wrong question.
Wrong question: How do I keep my kids from being taught things I don't believe?
Right question: How do we keep a culture? How do keep children (not just my children) from being taught false and toxic beliefs about society and history?
Answer: Have PUBLIC schools that teach OUR cultural values. Have NO public schools that teach false and toxic beliefs about society and history.
How do we keep children from being sexualized and mutilated by the transgender lunatics and the big pharmaceutical companies?
Fight fight fight. That's part of the "toxic education" I am referring to. "Beliefs" about "transgenderism" are about as scientific as phrenology, witches, and the occult. False beliefs about transgenderism are being taught and/or enforced RIGHT NOW. Fight.
Get mostly peaceful
Mostly….
How do we keep "Team R" from continuing to SOOOO adamantly DEMAND that they should continue to be allowed to drink the blood of the young innocent Christian Mammalian babies!??!?!
MAN THE BARRICADES against the Lizard AND Amphibian Peoples, Vampires, and Zombies, all of us-we Red-Blooded Patriotic Mammalian Peoples everywhere!!!!
That is wildly the wrong question because it assumes the conclusion. Specifically, it assumes that there is only one culture and that we all value it. That has never been true. Even in the romanticized Leave It To Beaver view of history, there was conflict, debate and growth.
I'll ask you the same thing I asked Misek above - in your perfect world, who gets to be the arbiter of "truth"? Who gets to decide which beliefs are "false and toxic"? How do you not see that granting anyone that authority is about the only possible thing worse than the current fights?
School boards. Setting curricula based in American tradition, for example the Constitution, that doesn't apologize for being white, or being Western, or for being in the country that was winning until the 1960s hit.
Right now DeSantis is having to do it because the local authorities won't.
School boards are the very ones setting the curricula that's driving all the polarization described in the article.
You say that they should set curricula "based in American tradition" - and they think they are. You clearly think they're wrong (and I would often agree). That doesn't change the question about who gets to decide. 'It's obvious' isn't an answer.
School boards fed by federal, teachers union, NEA and corporate funding and guidelines. As well as potential FBI investigation into “radicalized parents”.
There is an agenda, aimed at centralization of one version of “the truth”, mostly at odds with any previous “American tradition”.
Mechanically, I think the answer is get the feds out as much as possible and free school choice up as much as possible.
That is wildly the wrong question because it assumes the conclusion.
Exactly. The irony here, and perhaps it's intentional, is that he is advocating for exactly the thing they claim to be against.
Assuming there is some American monoculture is obviously and clearly wrong. One could probably say there are some uniquely American values that could be taught in schools, but as far as I know there is no uniquely American school of thought on things like mathematics or biology.
It would be more logical to say that perhaps schools shouldn't be teaching any 'cultural values' at all, outside of civics classes that are barely taught before college in the first place right now today. Leave cultural lessons to the culture itself, rather than teaching 'values' in the classroom.
Get rid of public schools entirely. That's the only way to be sure.
They’re currently woker than public schools in many localities.
I, for one, want to limit government to its essential functions. I don't think government should be running schools.
If public schools were eliminated, this whole debate over what should and shouldn't be taught in public schools would become moot. Parents would either homeschool their kids, or choose among private schools. If enough parents wanted their kids to learn Critical Race Theory, or that there's no such thing as biological sex, you'd see such schools being opened. Free market in operation, live & let live, everyone wins.
ESG and DEI is also “free market” in action.
I’m all for school choice, but Private schools are not the panacea everyone thinks they are.
They are largely already captured ideologically. Even the religious ones. And the reality is, there will always be enough government control to determine curriculums and pick winners.
and?
Because privatized fascism is still fascism?
And since there isn’t going to be a sudden unilateral elimination of government money and “guidance” in education, it’s not actually a solution. It’s way of kicking the can down the road and ignoring the actual fight that’s happening right now?
And that hybrid leap to private schools will ensure they’re worse. Because it will hold back actual competition while simultaneously taking constitutional safeguards out of the process?
DEI is free market in only the most convoluted thought process. It is the federally subsidized college student who becomes an HR rep to push employees of a corporation to adhere to a set of behaviors that are proscribed by federal law. If that's free market, so is the IRS. If America actually had capitalism, these positions which provide no goods or services for the consumer would not exist (for long). The academics that sit around and make this crap up would have to actually provide something useful instead, if they weren't being subsidized by our children's futures.
Please never call DEI free market.
I did use scare quotes.
Neither are private schools free market. We will probably never have anything close to a free market. I’m not sure we have the luxury of sitting around and waiting for the market place of ideas to overcome entrenched corporatist institutions intent on subverting actual rights.
I’m not trying to oppose school choice, but if you unilaterally take your side out of the equation over some point of principle, you may not have a place for any choice at all.
or even better yet have no government schools
There were always disagreements. They were never intractable and for better or worse the majority of the public supported public education in this country. It only became intractable when Democrats decided that public schools should be used to groom children for gay sex. The Democrats' steadfast endorsement of the necessity of child mutilation and sexual grooming has proven to be an intractable difference between them and pretty much everyone else in the world.
Sorry reason but there is no "pox on both houses baby" going on here.
I have a different take. It became intractable when schools added “teaching” opinions and morals to teaching facts. Schools used to teach that Columbus reached the new world in 1492, the U.S. abolished slavery in the 19th century and global temperatures have risen over the past few decades. Now some teach that Columbus was evil incarnate, all whites today are complicit in holding down minorities and if you drive an SUV you hate people and the planet.
Who favor government control... Socialists and Communists.
People who are treasonous to the very foundation of the USA.
GUNS do not educate children and Governments ONLY resource is GUNS.
The only real UN-answered question is why do people keep pretending socialism and communism has to progress when history has shown repeatably and predictably it's one of the worse curses on humanity?
From ?help? the 'poor' by allowing them to STEAL to ?help? the x,y,z by allowing them to STEAL and DICTATE. It's all Power-Mad [WE] gang ideology. Why must adults continue to play [WE] gang games of king of the mountain? Can't they **EARN** their own self-respect without joining Gangs of intimidation and trying to FORCE others with GUNS to get it?
The only real UN-answered question is why do people keep pretending socialism and communism has to progress when history has shown repeatably and predictably it's one of the worse curses on humanity?
Ego. Everyone wants to believe they can change the world and it will be different this time. Also, the underlying premise of socialism is that there is an elite that knows better than everyone else. Few things are more appealing to human nature than being part of an elite that knows better than everyone else.
Prob the comment I've read in a long time....
Thank you!
*best* comment.
So polarization is bad? The leftist indoctrination was going on fifty years ago when I was in high school. Only in recent years has it become so overt, increasingly anti--white racist, forcing acceptance, indeed celebration of deviant behavior that there is finally a backlash. It's about time.
You would think that a magazine that is supposed to support an ideology that is held by a minority of the public would see polarization as a good thing. The status quo is anything but "libertarian". The only way to change the status quo is for people to stand up to it and that necessarily means some level of polarization. Yet, Reason thinks polarization is a bad thing and says so consistently. It is almost as if the whole magazine is just a sham and really just a neutered opposition supporting the status quo or something.
Thank goodness for the commenters, they are like grafted on nuts fixing the neutered opinions of the writers.
That's the thing about promoting school choice in The Current Year.
"School choice" sounds good in a civic environment where a culture war isn't actually going on. But just pulling your kids out of public school to send them to private school ignores the fact that the training grounds for these teachers, public and private, are the modern universities where neo-marxist ideology is practically a religion at this point. Not to mention the fact that even private schools in blue states can be forced to implement whatever shitlib social and pedagogical engineering fantasies the Dem legislators can dream up.
The better solution is to get involved in school board and city council meetings to ensure the shitlibs don't infect the local environment, then work to make sure the types of people resisting this shit get entered in to state and eventually federal elections that will bring the universities to heel, as counter-revolutionary actions to the marxists training today's teachers.
If libertarians want school choice to be an actual, viable thing, they're going to have to get their hands dirty and compromise on some dearly-held principles about the function of governments in order to make it happen.
This is what I'm talking about.
True.. One cannot say National Socialism (privately owned but entirely Gov-Gun dictated) education will promote *real* education.
False.. One cannot say the ?right? Commie-Education is going to create *real* education either.
The curse ->>>>>>>>> Believing GUNS (i.e. Gov-Guns) is a necessary ingredient to teach children. That idea was a curse from the very beginning and is now showing itself as the communist nightmare it is.
the best way to ensure school choice is to abolish government schools
polarization == Team Red is finally fighting back.
There's one important point that Tuccille missed. The anti-school choice position is highly correlated with pro-masking, pro-CRT and pro-queer theory positions (i.e. the politicization of schools). And, even more, both positions appear to be highly correlated to opposition to parental oversight and control of education. If you don't recognize these correlations, you wind up missing the obvious - one side is trying to use the educational system for outright political indoctrination. They want control, they want to set the political agenda and they want you to not be able to do a thing about it. And that side with the support of the teachers unions and the public educational bureaucracy (including NGO hangers-on) is extremely well-funded and organized. You aren't going to be able to negotiate educational choice to resolve differences of opinion about indoctrination because the opponents of choice specifically want them there for that indoctrination.
Tuccile is a leftist hack and despicable liar
The anti-school choice position is highly correlated with pro-masking, pro-CRT and pro-queer theory positions (i.e. the politicization of schools)
Yes, the left is hostile to school choice because that would mean they have less power over young minds.
Nobody denies that.
Nobody denies that.
Well, I guess that much is good.
The problem is, once you accept that, the premise of the article pretty much falls apart. Treating the politicization of education as some sort of opportunity for school choice as a resolution just isn't going to fly. Because the people objecting to school choice are going to object to it just as much as parental oversight and control or an end to indoctrination. They aren't interested in a resolution to the matter that doesn't mean they get to indoctrinate people's kids. And I'm saying this as someone who is pro-free market education. What's a solution from a libertarian, or even conservative, perspective - that everybody gets to send their kids to schools that reflect their own values - is specifically a denial of the progressive objective.
Heavy. You packed a lot into that paragraph.
I don't have answers. I'm not that smart. And that's the point. Nobody is. If someone was, then they'd be the central planner who makes it all ok.
Freedom means letting in ideas from everyone, and the ideas compete regardless of party affiliation.
Just like literally everything in our society, school has become massively political.
They've always been political to a certain degree, it's just that we're in a situation where the teachers and left-wing school boards have been trained since college to act as a vanguard in the cultural revolution, and need to be put in their place.
And if that means a teacher shortage ends up occurring in the short-term, so be it. That's a great opportunity to cut off the profession from the collegiate training ground by reforming the qualifications by which someone can become a teacher.
or simply ... repealing the qualifications.
If people can concur on internet protocols well enough for it to operate. They can concur on the differences between a hack and a teacher without Gov-Gods packing guns to dictate that difference.
Public education has become an oxymoron as ridiculous as military intelligence, and for the same reason: bureaucracy. The public teacher's unions abandoned education when they created a massive and expensive administration to relieve themselves of a little extra work.
If "relieving themselves of a little extra work" only were all that this is about.
The public teacher's union is an organ of the Democratic party.
The four million public school teachers plus many millions of other public school employees on the government payroll are effectively voters bought by the Democratic party; few of them are going to vote for a party that threatens their jobs.
And on top of that, the entire institution serves to indoctrinate children into left wing ideology and support this very system.
Well, yeah, that too.
That escape hatch from a public school system for which people have diminishing respect and eroding patience may excite the public but is unacceptable to defenders of the old institutions.
The unions are fighting a rearguard action. I wonder if they realize that.
"About 65 percent of Democrats support face mask mandates in schools, with 15 percent opposed. Among Republicans, the breakdown is essentially the reverse: 19 percent in support and 63 percent opposed," the report notes
One of these sides was wrong, and one of them got their way.
One side is rabidly against these options, the other isn't.
Fifty-four percent of Americans favor allowing parents to homeschool their children, compared to 45 percent in 2017.
WTF. 45% of americans were like 'yeah the state should steal your fucking kids from you and put them into public school'. Goddamn.
Low pay and now they are are told what to teach by politicians, the current teacher shortage show teachers are running for the exits…
If they’re leftist groomers then that is a good thing.
I think it’s the other way around. My wife fled Baltimore county once they started officially problematizing white teachers. Went to Frederick county, but each year, the woke squeeze gets a little tighter. Diversity meetings, Social Emotional learning, kids demanding to be referred to by preferential pronouns, etc..
She’s looked into some private ones but many are just as bad with less actual oversight.
They have ALWAYS been told what to teach and what NOT to teach by politicians. That's how public schools works.
Lol@low pay.
15 years experience and making 90k for 8 months of work? Gtfo
Just for the record, the issue is NOT lack of money.
families escape classroom battles by leaving the battleground
I understand that mindset is pervasive but it is dead wrong. Leaving the battleground merely ensures someone else makes the decisions about the classroom battles. Default to that often enough and for a long enough time and others will view that as an abandoned governance issue that can be legitimately corrupted
wat?
Get your kids out of public school.
Correct. We have to win the battle for our nation. Not abandon it.
So I should just keep my kids in a failing public school as part of the "battle for our nation?" No thanks.
Not if you don't want to.
But you certainly should pay attention to who you vote for in a local election. No way in hell I'll vote for certain school board members ever again, and I don't have kids in school. I just think their beliefs are toxic.
i've never voted for anyone who won any office.
That's fair enough. You take care of your family first. No argument.
But "school choice" is not a strategy to stop the national decline. The only way to stop the national decline is too educate the national kids (not just yours) in the right values, history, and tradition.
That was to Woodchipper. The lines are getting really nested.
What do you mean by "right" values, history, and traditions? I thought the slogan was "let's return to the three Rs." A sort of aspiration to objectivity.
I think you guys should not debut your public education plan until you've done the actual research and made a solid plan.
and the only way to accomplish that is to split the country
Only if you believe education is a national issue/concern.
You never need to look farther than the money. Democrats don't actually give a shit about schools or kids. If they did, they'd be at worst ambivalent to school choice. What they do care about is teacher's unions, and school choice is a straight up broadside attack on teacher's unions. It should be no surprise why school choice makes them so mad.
While I like what Arizona is doing (v. what else is out there) it isn’t allowing families to decide where part of their tax dollars are going. Because: 1. families who don’t pay any taxes get education credits and 2. taxpayers without kids get nothing. This is letting certain people have more options for what to do with entitlement benefits.
>>Fully 54 percent of Democrats think their local schools are placing too little emphasis on racial matters
jeebus what does *more racial emphasis* look like?
also, close the Conformity Factories.
GOOD NEWS.
Fauci to quit in December!
It couldn't happen soon enough!
https://news.yahoo.com/fauci-stepping-down-next-chapter-152236446.html
Have you ever had an independent thought in your entire life?
Do you even know why you hate this guy?
Because he’s literally the lying, flip flopping face and voice of medical industrial state? Everybody with a longer political memory than a goldfish can see him caught up in his own lies within days of each other?
And before that he responsible for the governments failed AIDS intervention. Where, true to for he opted for dangerous experimental cures instead of remedies to the actual effects of the virus? He wasn’t a darling of the left back then.
Plus he may have actually funded the research that caused it to escape a lab? Plus he’s obnoxious, self obsessed NYC goomba that is worthy of disdain just for opening his mouth.
What’s there to actually like is a more pertinent question. Except as a personality cult, dead end progressives can hail in the name of Scientism, who’s likeness they can hang next to their Ukraine flags.
So you're mad that he told you to try not to get your diseased spittle on other people?
He seems like a solid guy. I dunno. Presidents of both parties kept him around. Just doesn't seem like he deserves all the impotent rage directed at him, especially not from people whose big AIDS plan was "let the gays die."
Public school teachers are 90% Democrat (97% among English teachers), that isn't "political polarization", that's a left wing takeover of the school system.
Which is precisely why Democrats fight school choice tooth and nail. The purpose of forcing children into the public school system is (1) to indoctrinate children into left wing ideology against their parents' will, and (2) to maintain 4 million reliable Democratic voters and union contributors on the government payroll in the form of public school teachers (every government employee is essentially a vote bought by Democrats with tax dollars).
Tuccille pretends that school choice is about education, "both sides", and the children. I can't figure out whether that's just abject stupidity or deliberate propaganda and lies.
the government schools are a complete disaster. no sane parent would send their children to these indoctrination camps.
You'd have to be out of your mind to leave them in public school unless you lack the wherewithal to avail yourself of other options.
for sure there are people who cannot afford some options, but depending on where you live there are charter schools, co-ops, etc. that are either free or very affordable. also groups of parents can work together to educate their children in very affordable ways. there are options and the government schools is the worst option of all.
yes. but also in truth, there are people with no other options, no resources or wherewithal to do anything else. it's sad.
Payer les frais de scolarité est une charge énorme pour les familles pauvres et misérables mais aussi pour les riches et surtout pour les étudiants étrangers qui sont devant un choix suivre le cours ou réfléchir dans quel supermarché à voler pour survivre...donc il faut une réforme profonde du monde de l'éducation à l'instar de ce que propose Xi en Chine d'avoir une autre orientation que celle des occidentaux y compris dans l'enseignement à savoir comment faire apprendre le savoir d"une autre manière que l'excellence ...le savoir
China is enormously corrupt, its economy is a house of cards, and its educational system is a disaster. The only reason China manages to compete on the world stage is because China sends millions of its students abroad, to be educated in Western institutions.
China has been a corrupt, totalitarian, xenophobic basket case for most of its existence. It was late to every major development in civilization: writing, the bronze age, the iron age, the scientific revolution, and the industrial revolution.
China serves as an example to the world of what not to do if you actually want to have a civilization.
Does that make it clear what we think of Xi and his education system?
Hi
Didn't have time to read the article. Both sides?
This will just increase the further polarization and self-segregation of America. The problem is you have to have something in common as a country to be a country. If you continue to lose institutions that at least most folks are above politics and keep us together as a shared set of experiences and values..what do you have? The problem in my view was the whole "multicultural" bullshit that had to invade everything. Even in the 1950's and earlier, we have real segregation but if you took Americans from both side and sent them to say Europe or Asia or Africa, black, white, catholic/protestant would have feel like they were Americans..a sense of our optimism, stick to it, individualism, hard work, honesty, tolerance and so on...that is all gone now all gone.
I'm for the end of govt schools but continuing public education by ohter means like vouchers..but the downside is the loss of another shared experience.
You're on it. We HAVE to have commonality. Fracturing schools into personal preferences and experiences is the opposite of that.
The issue not addressed is how the Teachers Unions have become a Money Laundering Operation for the Demoncrats. Until this issue is addressed and the situation rectified all the other matters will continue to fester and become increasingly toxic.
As long as local communities of parents and teachers are barred from determining their curriculums, school choice won’t fix anything.
If every school in my district is confounded by the same curriculums by the same boards and state, and required to teach the same political mania, then going to school A over school B is only a matter of discipline and local academic culture.
With school choice, does one school get to teach Bible class and another school CRT? Or are both or only one verboten?
School choice exists to line the pockets of people who can't hack it in the existing marketplace. They see public dollars being spent on something and want to skim their share off the top. That's all that is.
Meanwhile the fucking fascists want to take over schools and teach children about all the types of people they want to put in death camps.
How about the fucking Christians stop trying to have thoughts, especially about things as important as education, and go back to being the persecuted minority their philosophy is better suited for?