U.S. Conservatives Set To Applaud Viktor Orbán's Paranoid Anti-Americanism
Kleptocratic Hungarian leader, under fire for "mixed race" speech, condemns America for weaponizing energy, antagonizing Russia, and incubating gender "lunacy."

Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán, a pariah in Europe and darling on the American right, is set to deliver an address Thursday titled "How we fight" at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in Dallas, Texas, two weeks after drawing international condemnation for a speech railing against the mixing of European and non-European peoples.
"Migration, which you could call population replacement or inundation," Orbán said July 23 in Transylvania, Romania, to an audience of ethnic Hungarians, "has split the West in two. One half is a world where European and non-European peoples live together. These countries are no longer nations: they are nothing more than a conglomeration of peoples. I could also say that it is no longer the Western world, but the post-Western world. And around 2050, the laws of mathematics will lead to the final demographic shift: cities in [that] part of the continent…will see the proportion of residents of non-European origin rising to over 50 per cent of the total."
Europeans concerned about these demographics, Orbán continued, "are willing to mix with one another, but we do not want to become peoples of mixed-race….Today the situation is that Islamic civilization, which is constantly moving towards Europe, has realized…that the route through Hungary is an unsuitable one along which to send its people up into Europe….[N]ow the incursion's origins are not in the East, but in the South, from where they are occupying and flooding the West….The time will come when we have to somehow accept Christians coming to us from there and integrate them into our lives."
Orbán's remarks drew an unusual amount of criticism inside Hungary, where in April he won a landslide election to a fourth term as prime minister. Hungarian Chief Rabbi Róbert Frölich compared Orbán's words to various "onion-headed theories of race." The Federation of Hungarian Jewish Communities said in a statement that the speech "triggered serious concerns within the Jewish community." And Orbán's longtime envoy for social inclusion, Zsuzsanna Hegedüs, wrote in a blistering resignation letter that his "openly racist speech" was a "pure Nazi text worthy of Joseph Goebbels."
In American political discourse, the speech was quickly boiled down to the essence of white nationalism, and lassoed around the neck of domestic conservatives. "A hero of the Trump right shows his true colors: Whites only," went the headline on Dana Milbank's piece in the Washington Post. Predictable (and predictably endless) back-and-forths ensued between domestic Trump critics and indefatigable Orbánologists. As I wrote a year ago, "The pattern is eye-glazingly familiar by now in the age of Donald Trump: Politician does or says something provocative…an appalled political class overreacts; the anti-anti brigades man their battle stations; and around we go, dumbly, until the next controversy."
Mostly lost in this hubbub, however, are two interlocking points of policy significance. Orbán is stoking the possibility of dangerous instability on the European continent, in ways that have very little to do with skin color. And he's doing so while promoting a paranoid anti-Americanism of the type that conservatives used to reject.
Like many of his most incendiary orations, the prime minister's speech was delivered abroad in front of some of the more than two million ethnic Hungarians who live in the bordering states of Romania, Slovakia, Serbia, Ukraine, Austria, and Slovenia. Those Magyars were left stranded outside of Magyarország after the 1920 Treaty of Trianon lopped off two-thirds of Greater Hungary's ahistorically swollen land-mass after the end of World War I.
For Hungarian nationalists—Orbán's base ever since he engineered his party's decisive pivot away from liberal cosmopolitanism in the early 1990s—Trianon is the Original Sin, the crime perpetrated against the once-proud Hungarian nation by a vindictive and possibly jealous world order. Concern over Hungary's Trianon-fueled fantasies of restoring old maps is why NATO made as a precondition of its first post-Cold War expansion that prospective entrants first enshrine their existing borders in treaties while also guaranteeing basic rights to national minorities.
The single most destabilizing thing Orbán has ever done has nothing to do with his controversial views on migration, or his kleptocratic corruption, or even his consolidation of power over Hungary's shrinking civil society. Rather, it's the law, passed a decade ago, giving ethnic Hungarians abroad the right to Hungarian citizenship (and therefore, the vote). A century's worth of bloody European experience has demonstrated what can happen when a national bloc in a neighboring country is encouraged to pledge ultimate loyalty to a country not their own.
Orbán's closing paragraph in his Transylvanian speech is a festival of paranoid and potentially disruptive small-country nationalism:
Hungary has ambition. Hungary has communal ambitions, and indeed national ambitions. It has national ambitions, and even European ambitions. This is why, in order to preserve our national ambitions, we must show solidarity in the difficult period ahead of us. The motherland must stand together, and Transylvania and the other areas in the Carpathian Basin inhabited by Hungarians must stand together. This ambition, Dear Friends, is what propels us, what drives us—it is our fuel. It is the notion that we have always given more to the world than we have received from it, that more has been taken from us than given to us, that we have submitted invoices that are still unpaid, that we are better, more industrious and more talented than the position we now find ourselves in and the way in which we live, and the fact that the world owes us something—and that we want to, and will, call in that debt. This is our strongest ambition.
Such delusional tub-thumping could be more easily dismissed in a less tumultuous time and place. But war—involving disputes over treaty-enshrined borders and national minorities—rages immediately to the east, and Orbán, who is Vladimir Putin's closest friend among leaders of NATO countries, senses opportunity amidst the danger.
"We must be emotionally and financially ready to accept the Hungarian people and/or the Hungarian territory inside Ukraine," Csaba Belénessy, Orbán's friend and former hand-picked head of the Hungarian news agency MTI, wrote in March. "The fact is that Transcarpathian Hungarians are not in a good place, one might say persecuted in Ukraine." Dangerous stuff, at a time of rising tensions and diplomatic antipathy between the two countries.
The Ukrainian government isn't the only mad neighbor. The Croatian Foreign Ministry squawked in May after Orbán said in an interview that Hungary would have a seaport "if it hadn't been taken from us"—a reference to Trianon's reallocation of the now-Croatian town of Rijeka. Romanian President Klaus Iohannis last week said that "It is wrong and inadmissible in principle for a high European dignitary to deliver a speech on the public scene built on the race theory that led to the most terrible catastrophe of the 20th century," adding that "the fact that this happened in Transylvania is a problem for us."
Orbán's irredentist flirtations at a time of European instability remain of little expressed concern to his American fanbase, who prefer to extol his apocalyptic, clash-of-civilizations visions about how "This is the great historic battle that we are fighting: demography, migration and gender." (Part of the gender component, as expressed in the Transylvanian speech: "In this corner of the world, there will never be a majority in favor of the Western lunacy," which he defined as "not only same-sex marriage, but also such couples' right to adopt children.")
The American Conservative's Rod Dreher, having previously proclaimed Orbán "the leader of the West now," read the same words that alarmed so many, and declared: "Extraordinary speech by Hungarian PM shows why he is a Thatcher figure to a future Ronald Reagan." Only the champion of "illiberal democracy" seems to fully share Dreher's prophetic understanding that "liberal Westerners…are so full of self-hatred they are talking themselves into their surrender and annihilation."
A funny thing about those latter two words. Annihilation is what has been happening the last five-plus months to Ukrainian civilians at the business end of Russian bombs. And surrender is what Orbán counsels they do to their desire to have a security guarantee—or rather, what he advises the Americans to negotiate with the Russians after Republicans hopefully re-take the White House in 2024.
There's nothing wrong with having a different view on how the transatlantic alliance should approach the Russia-Ukraine war, and there's something genuinely heartening about conservatives who were once gung-ho about invading Iraq now counseling American restraint. But in lashing their mast to a small-country nationalist, domestic philo-Magyars are cheering on some unseemly Russia-apologia and America-blaming.
For example, Orbán claimed in his speech that with the advent of fracking in the U.S., "America made no secret of the fact that it would use energy as a foreign policy weapon. The fact that others are being accused of this should not deceive us." And: "Americans are able to impose their will because they are not dependent on energy from others; they are able to exert hostile pressure because they control the financial networks." Are these the words of "the leader of the West"?
In one remarkable passage, the same politician who, as a young man in 1989, became famous for chanting "Russians, go home!" in front of Communist Party headquarters now casts aspersions on Washington's role during the Cold War:
Historically the Americans have had the ability to pick out what they identify as an evil empire and to call on the world to stand on the right side of history—a phrase which bothers us a little, as this is what the communists always said. This ability that the Americans used to have of getting everyone on the right side of the world and of history, and then the world obeying them, is something which has now disappeared….It may well be that this war will be the one that demonstrably puts an end to that form of Western ascendancy which has been able to employ various means to create world unity against certain actors on a particular chosen issue.
This is the new Thatcher to our (purely mythical) Reagan 2.0?
Orbán states as fact that the reason for Russia's invasion was NATO's unwillingness to guarantee in treaty form that Ukraine would never be a member. "The consequence of this refusal is that today the Russians are seeking to achieve by force of arms the security demands that they had previously sought to achieve through negotiation," he said, adding: "I have to say that this war would never have broken out if we had been a little luckier and at this crucial hour the President of the United States of America was called Donald Trump."
That there are other reasons, and a track record of Russian military aggression in its Near Abroad predating even the idea of NATO expansion, did not cloud the simplicity of Orbán's view.
In his bottomless defenses of his hero's excesses, Dreher has repeatedly made the point that "Hungarians are WAY more sensitive to preserving their identity among the nations because there are so few of them." Quite so! It's a key reason why no self-respecting American should aspire to Hungarian-style nationalism.
The difference is that Dreher believes, apocalyptically, that Hungarians are "threatened with extinction of their identity through assimilation or some other means," and that somehow the United States is, too. I know our Magyar friends are good at geometry, but that's one Transitive Property application too far. Whatever ails America will not be fixed by aping irredentist Putin-enablers obsessed with books about dusky hordes.
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Is Matt Welch sarcasmic? When did he go all in on performative outrage?
Haha! Probably. All the trolls are Reason Editors.
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Typical Hungarian Kleptocrat selling transit visas to Transylvanians on their way to cheer their God Emperor's CPAC debut.
Hank or Sqrlsy?
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The funny thing is why is the author upset?
Every word is verifiable as true.
There is nothing wrong with Hungarians rejecting mass illegal immigration and maintaining Hungarian culture.
Just like there is nothing wrong with Americans wanting to assimilate immigrants into American culture.
Not if you are libertarian who thinks national borders are just a suggestion that can be ignored for any reason and at all costs.
This is the first article by Matt I have a big problem with. While Orban has said some bigoted things (or possibly said things in a bigoted way) which deserve criticism, I agree with Orban about the US and NATO (specifically the Biden administration, not the Trump administration). Matt links to an article of "other reasons" but fails to see that Russia was mirroring US reasons for invading Ukraine, just like Kennedy blockaded Cuba during the missile crisis. Yeah, we can include "other reasons" including Putin's desire to have control over the resources in Ukraine, but that doesn't excuse Biden's and NATO's refusal to agree to not expand NATO into Ukraine, or even negotiate the matter. Providing Ukraine weapons
The problem with allowing Russia to invade Ukraine and get away with it, is it's going to encourage Russia, and other countries, to do the same. Welch fails to see Biden doing the MIC's dirty work, because there's huge money in it for the MIC and the political class. I believe in minding my own business, but that's not what Biden and the MIC want. Orban is right that Biden poked the Bear.
NATO is an enemy of the American people (not to mention all the countries it's invaded).
They will be used directly against us eventually.
Please explain. That viewpoint seems....a bit extreme. Enemy?
NATO is the globalist totalitarian cabal's muscle, and there is no greater enemy of the American people than they who lied about covid, imposed lockdowns and mandates, dictate radical marxist ideologies rule society, destroy our way of life for the Great Reset so they can build back better, and eventually do even worse in the name of their climate change hoax.
And we thought Matt Welch was sarcasmic.
I'm not sure you've ever thought much in your life
What an insane way of thinking. I knew Reason commenters were a little odd, but this is batshit. Stay away from the conspiracy sites, folks.
LOL
If you're going to try to spray shit to obscure your masters' clear plans, at least add some substance, soy.
Ah yes, the plans of our lizard overlords. Keep living in fear.
In case you didn't catch it the first time, ir looks like QAnon needs to be following "bread crumbs" to Putin's Kremlin:
Watch: Bizarre Russian Ad Lures Expats with Little Girls and "No Cancel Culture."
https://boingboing.net/2022/08/02/watch-bizarre-russia-ad-lures-expats-with-little-girls-and-no-cancel-culture.html
Vixtor Belenko, Yakov Smirnoff, Andrei Sakharov, and Mikhail Baryshnikoff wouldn't fall for this shit. They were and are good people who knew what Gulag-style "cancel culture" was really like. So i llooks like Putin is looking to attract another, shadier element.
We'll know for sure if QAnon's reached Russia when the latest meme from Russia is:
#Vladamir_Putin_Did_Not _Kill_Himself 🙂
It's really sad how committed you are to sucking globalist oligarch cock.
Putin is a globalist oligarch, dummy. He just wants The Big Blue Marble to serve his Revachist Eurasian Empire, in the name of Putin's and Patriarch Kyrill's asshole Abrahamic God.
By the way, who was Putin's prolagandist who dreamed up this video, Humbert Humbert? 🙂
I disagree. One of the conditions for joining NATO is that you cannot currently be in some kind of armed conflict. So just starting the stuff that Putin started in the Donbas region would have kept Ukraine out of NATO. Also, in order to be accepted into NATO, all of the current NATO member nations have to agree, and there were several countries that said they would not approve Ukraine from NATO. So whatever reasons Putin has for invading Ukraine, preventing them from joining NATO wasn't one of them.
OK! Who among you thinks Putin would have invaded Ukraine if Trump were President? Because it looks like Putin's best pal is Biden. Nord Stream 2, anyone?
One of the conditions for upholding the US constitution is not locking down the fucking people because of the flu, yet it happened.
I'm amazed at how trusting some of you are of the most evil people on the planet.
COVID-19 lockdowns have nothing to do with Putin...except that Putin is an ally of Emperor Xi, whose suppression and murder of the doctors who discovered COVID-19 helped spread the contagion worldwide.
Putin sure knows how to choose allies, huh?
Gender lunacy is definitely on the menu.
I wonder if I'll live long enough to reach 2050. It'll be entertaining to watch the Muslim majorities take hold of the political reigns in EU. Sharia Law for All!!!
The global aristocracy are using MENA immigration as a weapon against their native working class, but the second that they're no longer convenient they'll turn on them.
Actually, it's kind of frightening if white folks become an oppressed minority in both Europe and the Americas. Because when whitey feels the oppression and righteous anger, it ain't pretty.
Meanwhile, American Marxists have been corrupting academia and the subsidized sciences for decades, adding trillions to the national debt, destabilizing the power grid, and doing their damnedest to import socialism in all its glorious failures.
Leave us not forget that socialists murdered 100M+ civilians last century. Only 10-20M of those were national socialists.
You forgot destroying food sources
The War for Bullshit (fertilizer) has just begun.
But the National Socialists were supported by Stalin up to 1941. Never forget.
Ever notice how much time is saved here lately by just reading the Headline and author?
You can tell the content without reading it.
Why is Matt Welch pretending that a future speech in Hungary, by a Hungarian politician, to Hungarian people, is somehow about some American voters?
Obsessed much?
Ok, yeah, I should have read a little more before commenting.
But still, Reason writers are extremely desperate to say mean things about a section of the American electorate.
Is it really worth being an asshole to so many Americans for the benefit of people sneaking over the border?
Orban grabbed Welch by the pussy.
Of course he’s butthurt.
C'mon, it was just his pussy hat he grabbed.
Orban resists the total cultural domination of the transos so he's the worse person since Hitler or Trump take your pick.
Park Slope Welchie Boy spent a bunch of time over in eastern Europe doing......... whatever the fuck it was exactly that he was doing over there before the accursed day he somehow ended up over here at this joint.
That's why he has this weird affinity for the region and cares so much about who's running things over there in a way he doesn't give a fuck about who's running Afghanistan, The Maldives, Vanuatu, or any of a hundred other countries you could rattle off.
Orban's not anti-American, Welch, he's anti-you and people like you.
Privileged, white, gentry class bullies who wield phony virtue like a sledgehammer to protect your class interests; delusional perverts who wear the mask of the civil rights movement while assaulting women and maiming children; and racists and race hucksters who resurrect Nazi racial theories in order to guilt idiots out of money.
And nobody who posts this should pretend for a second that Orban and the right are the ones pushing eliminationist rhetoric:
https://twitter.com/mattwelch/status/1102654202545913857?s=12
Welch sure sacrificed some moral high ground with that tweet!
Does Matt actually think this kind of drivel amounts to journalism?
Does Matt actually think anybody's reaction to this kind of drivel is anything other than utter contempt for its author?
It's a libertarian site. You are under no obligation to defend a foreign tyrant.
Muslims are our friends, they bring much-needed diversity to our Western societies with their 8th-Century sensibilities, which diversity is our strength. I just wish we could import some of those Stone Age Pacific Islanders who still practice cannibalism, there's some real diversity for ya.
Hawaii is for the Hawaiians... the fight to take back Hawaii.
Apparently, not everyone feels "enriched" I guess.
It’s different when brown and black people do it.
They get the wrong Monarch and they'll beg to come back. They certainly like "culturally appropriating" Rap music and BLM motifs. They already have high prices, high crime and gun control. I'm sure it would get worse if they were independent.
For example, Orbán claimed in his speech that with the advent of fracking in the U.S., "America made no secret of the fact that it would use energy as a foreign policy weapon. The fact that others are being accused of this should not deceive us." And: "Americans are able to impose their will because they are not dependent on energy from others; they are able to exert hostile pressure because they control the financial networks." Are these the words of "the leader of the West"?
What exactly is so absurd about these statements? Energy independence did indeed change US foreign policy allowing the imposition of sanctions on other counties with little domestic cost while Germany commits financial suicide. And in the current war the US has been using the USD as a weapon confiscating assets of those deemed to be bad actors. As long as the USD remains the world's reserve currency and the Petrodollar can indeed control markets when it becomes a weapon. I don't know much about Orban but he's not wrong about everything.
condemns America for weaponizing energy, antagonizing Russia, and incubating gender "lunacy."
Speaking of Hungarian academics and intellectual, here's Hungarian Canadian sociologist and academic heavyweight, Frank Furedi (still waiting for his book on identity to come out on audio) in my favourite libertarian publication:
The project of exposing children as young as three and four to topics related to sexuality and gender has acquired momentum in recent years.
You mean Disney movies such as Snow White and Sleeping Beauty? Those are more than just a few years old, you know.
The entire story is about how two adults go through outrageously fantastical adventures for the sole purpose of engaging in an overtly sexual act with each other. Which they show to children in graphic detail! It is outrageous. They indoctrinate kids into a sexual agenda that must be resisted by all right-thinking parents.
These stories must be banned.
OH, wait wait wait. The adults in question are *heterosexual*. That's okay then. Carry on!
Fuck off groomer.
“Groomer”, the classic insult to someone when you can’t refute their comment.
Hey, chemjeff stalinist pedophile has found himself a friend!
You can get yeeted along with the aspiring child molester.
Nardz the no-nards conservative is back at it again with the quick wit. Glad you're keeping yourself occupied, bud.
Fuck, youre still claiming snow white is the same as illustrative pictures of men getting blow jobs from kids.
What the fuck is wrong with you? Who told you this was a good argument? NAMBLA?
What place is showing illustrative pictures of blowjobs to kids? Sounds like you’re pulling that out of your ass.
^clear cut example of gaslighting.
Leftists are literally cancer who want to rape your children.
You are mentally ill.
"You mean Disney movies such as Snow White and Sleeping Beauty?"
See, time and time again Jeff comes here and lies, creates false equivalency, creates strawmen, etc., and time and time again people correct him, provide citations, and effectively refute him.
And the very next day he's posting the exact same garbage like nothing ever happened. No lesson ever learned.
This is how you know he paid to post certain things here. Someone arguing in good faith wouldn't post the exact same crap over and over.
Let me spell it out more clearly. Not for the benefit of ML, of course, who is beyond hope. But for the benefit of everyone else.
There is a double standard at work here.
The phrase "topics related to sexuality and gender", as far as little kids go, is defined very narrowly when it comes to heterosexuality. Virtually no one has a problem with kids' stories about princes and princesses falling in love. They can kiss, dance, hold hands, do all sorts of things that illustrate their heterosexuality. Furthermore the prince always looks stereotypically male, and the princess always looks stereotypically female. He is tall, dark and handsome. She is gorgeous in a beautiful princess gown. Of course what they can't do is anything pornographic and have it be appropriate for little kids. No explicit sex acts. And that is of course totally fine. That is the standard for heterosexuals.
But, when it comes to *everyone else*, the phrase "topics related to sexuality and gender" is defined very broadly. So of COURSE pornographic material is out, as it should be. But what is ALSO out is showing two men or two women kissing, holding hands or dancing. What is ALSO out of bounds is showing a man or a woman acting in a nontraditional gender role even if there is no explicit sex. So a man dressing up in drag is "sexualizing children" and scandalous, even though there is no graphic sex, no pornography.
A man dressing up as a stereotypical male is just as much a demonstration of "topics related to sexuality and gender" as a man dressing up as a stereotypical female. But only one of those is considered GROOMING if shown to kids.
Get introduced to the inside of a woodchipper, pedophile
I really hope your neighbors know to keep you away from their children.
See, this is exactly what chemjeff always does.
Here he writes a two paragraph argument of things I didn't say and attacks that. He puts words in my mouth because he can't actually argue against what I actually said.
This is why everyone calls him Lying Jeffy.
So what is your argument then. Spell it out.
I mean, in the past you have criticized drag queens flashing young kids. Fine, yes, we all agree that is objectionable and drag queens shouldn't be flashing young kids. NO ONE should be flashing young kids, drag queens or not. Furthermore, the article above isn't taking exception to 'drag queen story hour' because they're a bunch of flashers, but because the event even exists in the first place.
And you have criticized books in school libraries like Gender Queer. Fine, that book does have some objectionable parts. But the criticism is usually dishonestly framed as being "inappropriate for young kids". Yes it's inappropriate for young kids, it's not even recommended for young kids in the first place. That's not an argument against the book itself, it's an argument in favor of applying a standard of age appropriateness for books, ALL books, regardless if they have LGBTQ-themed issues or not.
And in the comment that I wrote above at 10:00pm, I'm not even referencing any specific argument that you made. I am not putting words in your mouth because I didn't even assign any argument to you in the first place. I am explaining MY position, not trying to explain yours.
This is you attacking me for something I didn't do and cynically trying to claim the role of victim. It's ridiculous.
You're arguing with actual self-proclaimed neo-Nazis, Jeff. Give up. They will never give in until they finally stop the self-denial and get themselves a bit of cock-and-bum fun.
Someone doesn’t know what “self-proclaimed” means.
There are a few neo-Nazis around here, it is true.
I don't know if I'd call ML one. I think he is merely a right-wing troll.
Such as?
Your false equivalence rests on the premise that homosexuality, gender dysphoria, etc. are "just as normal" and should be just as included in young children's education as heterosexuality.
I reject the premise.
Based on… your own opinion? Didn’t realize you were any figure of authority on the matter.
Now you know.
Just how much pandering do you demand for 2% of the population, Jeff?
Leave the kids out of it.
Because it is grooming. Men dress up as "trannies" and love to flash to little kids because it is the nature of this particular set of behaviors to do things against their nature.
If your psychology does not match your physiology, which one is out of whack?
The ancients had a saying, Them that the gods would destroy, first they drive them mad. Reads like Romans One. Revelation 17 refers to Babylon the Great Whore, which is destroyed by the ten kings that "share power with the Beast for one hour". Not long. But like in Rome, where the mob was distracted by circus shows and gladiator bouts and where the depravity was endemic in the lead-up to its destruction, now here we have Babylon, the last great power standing in the way of the Beast taking over, until it falls. And on the way, God just lets it decay and go crazy on its way down.
I mean, the Chinese and the Russians will laugh at Milley's band of limp-wristed nasal-voiced sissies if they have to meet in battle. Contrast their military recruitment videos with Babylon's.
LOL, drivel like this is how you can tell chemtard, radical deathfat has never gotten to first base in his life, much less get pussy, unless it was creeping on a school playground.
No wonder he wants more child molesters to immigrate here.
You're literally beginning to not make sense, and you're 10,000 miles from even addressing the argument.
Showing to kids two men kissing, is called "sexualizing children" and "grooming".
Showing to kids a man and a woman kissing, is called "just another typical Disney movie".
That's my point.
These people don’t get it because they think showing anything homosexual is “grooming”. They’re homophobic themselves, but just don’t want to admit it. I thought this was a Libertarian site, not an alt-right one.
Polite people don't kiss romantically in front of kids, nor do they talk about what they do physically in private. Unless they want to indoctrinate. Pretty simple.
You lost me with a tongue-less kiss being an overtly sexual act.
My grandmother would put her hands on her grandchildren’s cheek. She would then kiss us on the mouth regardless of how old. I suppose you would deem such actions an “overtly incestuous act.”
But hey, you do you.
Ah, so a kiss is an "overtly sexual act". Got it, groomer.
Kissing girls. Eewww!!
They want to ‘educate’ – that is, indoctrinate – young children to interpret their feelings in line with what is described as an ‘inclusive’ and ‘genderfluid’ outlook.
The indoctrination part is telling kids that there is one and only one way to be a man, or a woman. Men MUST wear neckties and pants. Women MUST wear skirts and high heels. Men MUST drink beer and watch football. Women MUST bake cakes and do the laundry. It's in the DNA. No arguing with biology!
No. Nobody is teaching kids what to wear bu sex you fucking idiot.
Ironically it is your side telling kids to dress explicitly as the opposite gender to be happy and accepted.
Fucking creep.
Oh really? NOBODY is telling kids what to wear? Definitely not you crazy conservatives worried about “indoctrination”.
It’s people like you that assume all kids willingly choose to wear “normal” clothes, and anyone different MUST have been “groomed”.
Furedi appears to have touched the right nerves.
For a long time, the message from the media and society at large, was that there was a stereotypically correct way to be a man, and a stereotypically correct way to be a woman. A man is strong, charming and athletic. He can play football and can fix a car engine. A woman has a figure like Barbie and supports her man. She'll put his interests ahead of hers for the good of the family. And if you didn't fit these stereotypes, there was something wrong with you. You were not just a damaged person, you weren't an authentic "man" or "woman". So a man who didn't like sports and doesn't know how to change the oil on his car was not a "real man". A woman who didn't have a perfect figure and who asserted herself in a relationship and took the dominant role was a bitch and a harpy, not a "real woman" who was neither of those things.
THAT was the "indoctrination", Diane.
Now we have schools who are trying to show kids that there is not one single correct way to be a man, or a woman. Which reflects actual reality. And THAT is what's called "indoctrination" by you all.
https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1554926876862296064?t=uSUX-S16d7jEasFEKGuzeA&s=19
SCOOP: San Diego Unified School District claims that heterosexuality is “a system of oppression,” promotes the idea that girls can have penises, and encourages children to adopt synthetic sexual identities such as “pansexual,” “genderqueer,” and “two-spirit.”
Here's the story.
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Hahaha, holy shit, chemfat isn't doing anything here other than confirming that he was a geek who's still pissed that he didn't get to fuck the head cheerleader in high school.
What's your thoughts on Neanderthal society?
I don't have strong thoughts on Neanderthal society and I am not sure how it is relevant here. What are your thoughts on it?
"For a long time, the message from the media and society at large, was that there was a stereotypically correct way to be a man, and a stereotypically correct way to be a woman. A man is strong, charming and athletic."
...and trans ideology is THAT on steroids.
"Girl, you like playing with cars? Sure you're not REALLY a boy?"
Also from your article:
If we continue to encourage children to cultivate their gender identity we will condemn them to a life of confusion and a state of permanent identity crisis.
How dare children be encouraged to develop their own separate unique identity. They need to shut up and conform to their pre-determined rigid gender roles, amirite folks?
How can this drivel of "shut up and obey" even pass as vaguely libertarian?
Of COURSE kids are not fully grown adults and need some structure and rules by the authority figures in their lives. But at the same time I would expect any libertarian parent worth his/her salt to encourage discovery and question established dogma, instead of being told to meekly submit to it.
For the life of me I cannot possibly understand how demanding conformity to rigid social roles is a libertarian virtue.
How dare children be encouraged to develop their own separate unique identity. They need to shut up and conform to their pre-determined rigid gender roles, amirite folks?
Here, chemfat argues that neurotic leftists should encourage children to be as neurotic as they are.
"How dare children be encouraged to develop their own separate unique identity."
How many kids you have? How many have you raised? If the answer is not above zero, shut the fuck up on topics you know nothing about.
My son thought he was a fucking car when he was younger. Yeah, should have humored that shit.
"Of COURSE kids are not fully grown adults and need some structure and rules by the authority figures in their lives. But at the same time I would expect any libertarian parent worth his/her salt to encourage discovery and question established dogma, instead of being told to meekly submit to it."
...like the belief that you can become the opposite sex if you really want it?
For the life of me I cannot possibly understand how demanding that agents of the state be allowed to “encourage”, much less advocate any sensitive topics about sexuality with other people’s children is remotely libertarian.
I don’t think libertarianism is what you think it is, mr radical individualist. Leave the kids out of it.
Can Matt point out anything he was factually wrong about? He keeps hyperventilating and calling him delusional and mischaracterizing pro-American statements as anti-American.
Why is wrong for Hungarians to want a Hungary populated by Hungarians?
India wants an India for Indians, China wants a China for the Han, and Japan wants a Japan for the Japanese.
Why is nationalism only problematic in Europe or America, but not in Asia, Africa, or South America?
It's a bit like the Democrats spending $435,000 in political messaging, warning that a Republican was "too conservative" for the state, and calling that an ad FOR the Republican.
We're playing 117d chess here.
Why is nationalism only problematic in Europe or America, but not in Asia, Africa, or South America?
Yeah, why did Nazi Germany and the Confederacy have to go ruin fascism for everyone else?
Hey the pedo conversation is above. You’ve found a kindred spirit with Jeffy.
Hey, looks like another comment just looking to insult instead of actually debate.
You get really upset that proponents and posters of child porn are being called back.
Hope your neighbors know.
Sounds like projection
Speaking of old Nazis, how's your boss doing, Pluggo?
Proving my poin
Japanese Nationalism and Chinese Nationalism were worse than the Confederacy and Third Reich respectively
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Eat shit and die, asshole.
I understand that the real-world definition of "country" admits to a degree of ethnic/racial/cultural homogenity (not the IdPol definition of course), but hey, there aren't that many Indians in Indiana and I saw we shouldn't give it up!
Don't know about "country", but the idea of "nation" was explicitly ethnic at inception.
I keep trying to join The Nation of Islam and they just won’t allow me to add some diversity. WTF?
Why is wrong for Hungarians to want a Hungary populated by Hungarians?
Hungarians collectively do not have the just authority to decide with whom every other Hungarian may or may not associate.
Here's chemjeff the stalinist pedophile to tell Hungarians who they can and can't associate with.
It is the opposite. Here is chemjeff the libertarian individualist telling the Hungarian government that they may not forbid Hungarians from associating with whom they please.
He didn't say government though - he said Hungarians i.e. the people. whether that's right or wrong you didn't answer you got off track by associating that statement to government.
It is the same argument if one were to refer to a Hungarian collective rather than the government.
Well Jeff, you might as well just tell Hungarians that they have no sovereignty, or nation at all.
Here’s Nardz, the conservative nincompoop insulting people for having an opinion different from his own.
People are free to associate with who they want. It’s the Libertarian position that we do not deny people to the country simply for being “different”.
Hungarians can decide that for themselves.
As for you, I'm hoping you get doxxed so I can permanently avoid your insistence upon associating.
Keep dreaming
Historically the Americans have had the ability to pick out what they identify as an evil empire and to call on the world to stand on the right side of history—a phrase which bothers us a little, as this is what the communists always said. This ability that the Americans used to have of getting everyone on the right side of the world and of history, and then the world obeying them, is something which has now disappeared….It may well be that this war will be the one that demonstrably puts an end to that form of Western ascendancy which has been able to employ various means to create world unity against certain actors on a particular chosen issue.
Again I don't see anything crazy, pro communist or even anti America in this straightforward observation. The US has been doing exactly what Orban is describing, in Kosovo, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan a whole lot more. And 70% of the world's population are not aligned with NATO and the western neocons. China, Russia and the BRICS countries are not interested in the Ukraine and are currently developing their own financial and trade systems. This may indeed be the end of western ascendency.
Let's just say that Orban can say some stupid things, and propose stupid policies. And writers for a libertarian magazine should call them out.
And let's also say that Biden and his Democratic colleagues can say stupid things, and propose equally stupid policies. Once again, writers for a libertarian magazine should be able to call them out.
But not Reason.
Orbán states as fact that the reason for Russia's invasion was NATO's unwillingness to guarantee in treaty form that Ukraine would never be a member. "The consequence of this refusal is that today the Russians are seeking to achieve by force of arms the security demands that they had previously sought to achieve through negotiation," he said, adding: "I have to say that this war would never have broken out if we had been a little luckier and at this crucial hour the President of the United States of America was called Donald Trump."
That there are other reasons, and a track record of Russian military aggression in its Near Abroad predating even the idea of NATO expansion, did not cloud the simplicity of Orbán's view.
It may be simplistic but it is not incorrect to state that the threat of NATO expansion in Ukraine and Ukraine's war of aggression in Donbas were the primary reason's for Putin's invasion.
Back in the 30s and 40s the Japanese used Taiwan to launch it's invasion of China. They pulled off shit like the Rape of Nanking. The Chinese are a little touchy about foreign influence there. When I was a tiny tyke, the Soviets put some missiles 70 miles from our border in Cuba. JFK had a major hissy fit. In 2014 Ukraine removed neutrality from their constitution and began sucking up to NATO spreading the wealth to guys like Joe Biden. They also began a war of aggression against the Russian separatists in Donbas. Everybody knew Putin would be pissed. It's not crazy to point it out.
"I have to say that this war would never have broken out if we had been a little luckier and at this crucial hour the President of the United States of America was called Donald Trump."
In case anyone wonders why Welch wrote this.
And the idea that Russia, and not NATO, has a recent history of aggression is a bit... difficult to support based on the last 30, 20, or even 10 years of evidence.
They also began a war of aggression against the Russian separatists in Donbas.
Umm, it's the separatists that made the first move here.
They started it!
"America made no secret of the fact that it would use energy as a foreign policy weapon. The fact that others are being accused of this should not deceive us."
If you think it's by accident that Putin invaded Ukraine in the two times that he did during anti-fracking admins, I have a bridge over the Atlantic to sell you.
"Americans are able to impose their will because they are not dependent on energy from others; they are able to exert hostile pressure because they control the financial networks."
Again, true. Our reserve currency status gave us all the control of the money. There's a very good reason BRIC's countries effort to kick us off our pedestal should be concerning. Remember when libertarians used to be amenable to us minding our own business?
Historically the Americans have had the ability to pick out what they identify as an evil empire and to call on the world to stand on the right side of history—a phrase which bothers us a little, as this is what the communists always said. This ability that the Americans used to have of getting everyone on the right side of the world and of history, and then the world obeying them, is something which has now disappeared….It may well be that this war will be the one that demonstrably puts an end to that form of Western ascendancy which has been able to employ various means to create world unity against certain actors on a particular chosen issue.
Victor Orban cleary does.
So, as I read this, it seems like the author assumes a few things:
1. Since CPAC is listening to a speech, everyone in CPAC agrees with everything said in the speech.
2. Since everyone at CPAC agrees, all of American conservatives support Orban.
Here's an interesting thought experiment. Some people listen to different ideas. You can listen to them and not agree. Or you can agree with the parts that ring true. Or you can agree with them all, wholeheartedly, and the guy sitting next to you can have a completely different take and not subscribe to any of them.
Fuck I hate the broad brush lazy fucking journalists paint with. Be better.
No one is saying that every conservative agrees with everything Orban says. However it is also true that not everyone gets the opportunity to speak at CPAC, and the fact that Orban was invited to do so suggests that his POV enjoys a broader range of support than your random Twitter asshole.
pariah in Europe and darling on the American right,
Why is that do you think?
Lying Jeffy lies.
I'm curious too. I can't wait to read Jeff's answer.
He "pwns the libs" in Europe.
Well thank god he's doing it, no one else was.
Well he's actually not, and it's a ridiculously shallow reason anyway.
So why’d you say that’s why he’s a pariah in Europe then?
Explains why Reason keeps attacking him.
And Jeffy.
"liberal Westerners…are so full of self-hatred they are talking themselves into their surrender and annihilation."
One need only look at the future agenda of these leaders to see it.
And yes, the West's leaders hate themselves, not their actual selves, but their position over the third world. Why do you think they keep importing them?
Too bad he isn't like his super liberal buddy in the Ukraine. If only he banned political opponents, and rolled all media into state run media
For all practical purposes, Orbán is consolidating his nation's media:
VIKTOR ORBÁN’S ONE-PARTY STATE AND ITS MEDIA
https://hungarianspectrum.org/2018/12/05/viktor-orbans-one-party-state-and-its-media/
Whenever i see the vehement critiques of Orban I go read his actual words... and he sounds completely middle of the road normal leader of any country.
The left is obsessed with race. Everything is about race. Every social ill is related to race. Literally every person's thoughts and attitudes should be completely dominated by racial issues. Every public policy should take race into account.
Unless someone complains about immigration diluting their culture and then any discussion or recognition of culture and/or race is just right wing insanity.
“Diluting culture”? How is accepting people of different races impacting your own culture at all? We get it, brown people scare you. Your “culture” isn’t affected though, you just want someone to blame life’s problems on.
Texans are worried about Californians moving in and diluting their culture, voting commie and ruining Texas like they did to CA.
It has nothing to do with race.
Well thankfully it’s not up to you. Restricting someone’s freedom of movement is unlibertarian. No amount of fear mongering will make it libertarian.
No amount of your leftist bullshit will hide the fact that you are literally cancer.
What's the next libertarian event you plan to attend?
Wow, you make a great rebuttal
FWIW the decline of Dreher as a right-wing intellectual is sad to see. Time was he had a respectable independent conservative outlook, but his fear of teh gays and other "others", and his constant quest for a leader - demonstrated by his switching Christian sects not once but twice - has finally led him to Orban, who he now regularly hails as the Lancelot of the anti-Woke.
That Orban is evidently an authoritarian bigot not merely doesn't matter to Dreher and others like him, it's the root of his appeal.
That's some mighty fine concern trolling, shrike.
I've always said the subtitle to his The Benedict Option needs to be:
Lock Me In The Closet! Stop Me Before I Gay-Marry! 😉
LOL. I was beginning to wonder about Dreher, particularly after he recently divorced.
his "openly racist speech" was a "pure Nazi text worthy of Joseph Goebbels."
Such hyperbole could only be written by a millennial who never paid any attention in history class.
"How everyone I disagree with is a Nazi! - by Matt Welch"
As I've pointed out before, it isn't Nazis who are putting little boys in dresses and cutting off their dicks.
If the Nazis owe any apologies, it sure isn't to the liberals.
Nobody is putting boys in dresses or cutting off their dicks (unless you mean conservatives circumcising their kids). Are more people being open about identifying as non-binary? Yes. Is that decision forced on them? No.
Sure, pedo.
Seethe, snowflake
Apologies from Nazis don't turn back time or bring the dead back to life!
Fuck Off, Witch-Burning Nazi! And sorry if I offended The Schickelgruber Fan Club!...Not!
"Americans are able to impose their will because they are not dependent on energy from others; they are able to exert hostile pressure because they control the financial networks." Are these the words of "the leader of the West"?
How is Orban's statement untrue.
It's not true about our cut-off energy resources or hack-sensitive financial networks now...but it needs to be. And Orbán and his allies Putin and Xi are reason enough why this should be true again. That would be a real MAGA policy.
Matt,
You should really ask your corporate friends (if you have any) of the insanity in DIE ideology in the private space. Daily lectures on "whiteness" occur...supposed finding "racists and bigots" everywhere...
tribal and identity politics..everyone has a tribe with historical grievances but those whose ancestors came from Europe (Irish, Italian, Greek, French, German, English, Polish) are "white" with the little "w" to signify the absolute contempt the "diversity" marxists have for the folks that really built industrial America.
I honestly don't care much about what goes on in Hungary but wake up buddy...the cultural marxists are silencing and economically bashing Americans of the "wrong" ethnicities.
And let us not forgot how certain media elites have "old world grudges"
Chuck Schumer’s son-in-law lands gig at Blackstone.
https://nypost.com/2022/08/03/chuck-schumers-son-in-law-is-lobbyist-for-private-equity-giant-blackstone-report/
WHAT ABOUT SNOW WHITE!?
Karine Jean-Pierre Says It Was ‘Unconstitutional’ For Supreme Court To Overturn Roe
https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1554885788772585475
So many new meanings for old words in just one month.
Dunham’s ‘Sharp Stick’ Features Film’s First ‘Abortion Baby Shower’
https://www.hollywoodintoto.com/lena-dunham-sharp-stick-abortion-baby-shower/
More proof that they do it because they're demonically evil, not because they give a shit about bodily autonomy. The vaccine mandates proved that.
Probably a good time to pimp this book.
Whoops, not meant to be a reply to Dame Dunham's nonsense.
I'll watch it if the shower ends with Dunham soldering her cooter.
How many do you match?:
FBI Whistleblower LEAKS Bureau’s ‘Domestic Terrorism Symbols Guide’
https://www.projectveritas.com/news/fbi-whistleblower-leaks-bureaus-domestic-terrorism-symbols-guide-on-militia/
I’m not clicking that shit!
Far too late. You were put on a watchlist years ago when Jeffy denounced you.
If you're not on a watch list at this point, it's because you're a leftist activist. Everyone else is in the crosshairs.
How can you tell? The image is so small you can't read what's on it.
That's shit web design. Link it to a full sized image.
I know what the gadsden flag means. Around here people started flying it when we opened all our restaurants up after Newsome tried to shut them down two Christmases ago. Some of those folks are still flying them as a fuck you to Sacramento.
The Betsy Ross flag is just cool. Fly it on the Fourth of July for a bit of history, honoring the founding of the nation.
The rest I'd like to see the document so I could know what they mean. It might be helpful for people to tell me what I'm saying when I put a flag in front of my house. I have real trouble keeping up with how horrible I am. I still have no idea how Pepe the frog or the OK sign suddenly became racist.
I'll summarize: you're a domestic terrorist according to the FBI
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/pelosi-departs-taiwan-after-president-tsai-bestowed-highest-medal-china-preps-largest
Now that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is safely in Seoul, South Korea - where neither President Yoon Suk-yeol nor the country's foreign minister will meet with her - as the former is conveniently on "vacation" and the latter is in nearby Cambodia - all that she's offered thus far as an "explanation" for soaring regional tensions, and with Taiwan now finding itself in the direct crosshairs of a nuclear-armed superpower is that people are angry that she went to Taiwan because she's a woman.
Yes, she actually said on Wednesday morning while standing alongside Taiwan President Tsai Ing-wen: "They didn’t say anything when the men came."
Odd how this massive distraction happened at the same time as Paul Pelosi's drunk driving trial.
If China invades Taiwan we just blow up TSMC.
The way to fix everything is to enforce the NAP.
From a libertarian perspective, do members of a community have the right to exclude other potential members from joining the community?
I believe the answer must be "yes, provided that no rights are violated".
Suppose Alice and Bob form a bowling club, and Cindy wishes to join. Alice and Bob may justly decide not to let Cindy join, because Cindy does not have a right to demand that Alice and Bob associate with her against their will. There is no right to involuntary association.
Now suppose Alice and Bob are neighbors, and Cindy wishes to buy the house across the street from a willing seller. May Alice and Bob prevent Cindy from buying the house? The answer must be no. Cindy has the right to form a contract with a willing seller, and since neither Alice nor Bob are parties to this contract, they do not have any power to stop this contract from being executed.
But what about involuntary association? If Alice and Bob cannot stop Cindy from buying the house, now, Alice and Bob will be forced to be neighbors with Cindy against their will. Don't Alice and Bob have a right to not be involuntarily associated with Cindy in the form of neighbors?
The distinction, in my view, lies with the nature of the association. In the first case, the association is the bowling club created by Alice and Bob. They may refuse to let Cindy join *their* club. But they may not forbid Cindy from joining *any* bowling club nor forbid Cindy from bowling altogether. It does not even forbid Cindy from bowling in the same bowling alley at the same time as Alice and Bob's club. The protection against involuntary association is only valid for the club that they themselves created. In the case of the home purchase, however, the club of "neighbor" is not one that Alice and Bob deliberately created and therefore have the power to exclude from. To be a 'neighbor' is a statement of geographical proximity, not necessarily a statement of membership in a club.
What does this have to do with the article? It has to do with immigration and "race mixing". Orban and his defenders like Dreher make a big deal about "preserving identity". But is there actually a recognizable right for a group to "preserve its identity"? Sure, there is - if in the case of Alice and Bob's bowling club, a deliberately created club by the conscious actions of its members to run their club as they see fit. But that is not the case for members of a particular ethnicity or "nation" (as used in the European sense). A person born as an ethnic Hungarian was not selected to join the Hungarian club by some affirmative vote of the membership. Since that person did not ever apply to join the "Hungarian club", whatever conditions of membership that the rest of the Hungarians think are associated with being an ethnic Hungarian can't possibly apply to this person who never consented to it in the first place. So if this Hungarian wishes to engage in some "non-Hungarian" practices such as race-mixing, denying his Hungarian ethnicity, advocating for policies that the rest of the Hungarians disapprove of, the rest of the "Hungarian club" don't have a just power to prevent him from doing so. And a government which sought to impose this standard by force would be violating the Hungarian's rights.
So there is no just power for the government to limit immigration for the purposes of "preserving national identity".
But if you disagree with this argument, why?
May Alice and Bob prevent Cindy from buying the house? The answer must me no.
Not so fast there. Let's say the seller of the house, let's call him Dave, bought the house with a strict provision that he not later sell his house to Cindy. Does Dave have a right to abrogate that contract and sell to her anyway? People may very well want to form neighborhoods on the basis of clubs (What's an HOA, if not?). Are you saying they don't have a right to do that? And once you accept that they do, your entire analogy up to the level of nationhood runs into a lot of problems. It means that a polity can, in fact, define itself exclusively. It means just because Ellen (Dave's daughter) was lucky enough to inherit his house she's no more free to sell to Cindy than Dave was. Dave was only able to purchase the house on the condition of his membership in the club.
Let's say the seller of the house, let's call him Dave, bought the house with a strict provision that he not later sell his house to Cindy. Does Dave have a right to abrogate that contract and sell to her anyway?
Are you asking if covenant deeds should be legal? If so then I think from a libertarian perspective, yes, they should be, although they way they were often used in the past - to further explicitly racist aims - was shameful.
But, what is the analogy for a polity? A Hungarian is born under the condition that the Hungarian act a certain way, such as "no race mixing"? And if the Hungarian violates this condition, then what? He's no longer ethnically "Hungarian"? It doesn't work that way. Having a certain bloodline is not a voluntary act. Whatever conditions his parents wants to place on him for "membership" in the "Hungarian club" are unenforceable.
The analogy for a polity would be that "the club" gets to decide on who is and isn't allowed in the clubhouse. Certainly, there's nothing stopping a club member from advocating "race mixing". But, that doesn't mean the club has to honor your decision to invite a bunch of non-members into the bar for that purpose.
The analogy for a polity would be that "the club" gets to decide on who is and isn't allowed in the clubhouse.
If "the club" here is a particular ethnicity, then when did a potential new member of the "club" get the opportunity to apply for membership or freely consent to its rules?
If one of the rules of the Hungarian "club" is that race mixing is forbidden, then by your argument it seems that new members of this "club" are compelled to accept this rule by virtue of their birth alone. How is this a just result?
If "the club" here is a particular ethnicity,
Why would it be? It seems to me that the more obvious and appropriate definition of the club would be the particular polity of the nation-state. Ethnicity seems more of a factor they're including for membership.
Why would it be?
Well, read Orban's comments.
"but we do not want to become peoples of mixed-race"
By what authority can Orban, or anyone else, declare that "we" don't want to become "peoples of mixed-race"?
Has Orban outlawed miscegenation? Is he worried about Vaclav and Sheniqua having a baby? Or is he worried about importing hundreds of thousands of foreigners and forever changing the national identity?
Unenforceable is the key term here. The Constitution is framed to make it difficult for for idiots to talk the government into sending men to exercise deadly force to compel someone to honor a defective or simply moronic agreement. So far, only on South Park is Apple able to sew your mouth to someone else's ass, and another's mouth to yours mutatis mutandis. But if Tokyo Pink's Austrian Anschluss is successful in turning the LP into a girl-bullying redneck Tea Party Klavern, all bets are off...
From a libertarian perspective, do members of a community have the right to exclude other potential members from joining the community?
I believe the answer must be "yes, provided that no rights are violated".
You could have stopped there and you would be on ideologically consistent grounds. But your sense of fairness once again betrays your individualism.
We are not a bowling club, we are a nation. And government has no right saying who can or cannot purchase a home in your neighborhood. Hungary isn't a bowling club either. It's government doesn't get to say who is or is not an ethnic Hungarian.
Your idea smacks of Hoppeism, that dunderhead influencing the Mises Caucus, asserting that anarchism means immigrants can't enter your land with your permission. What right does he have to say someone south of my property border can't migrate northward?
Likewise, what right do you as an individual have to tell me I can't sell my house to someone of less than pale coloration? To someone who didn't go to the right schools? To someone who might not vote the way you do? What arrogance!
I am agreeing with you here.
What right does he have to say someone south of my property border can't migrate northward?
This is "sovereign citizen" drek of the dumbest kind.
asserting that anarchism means immigrants can't enter your land with your permission.
Definitionally, your land means nobody can enter it without your permission.
This idiocy is where the proglotarian position leads. Not only does it dismiss the freedom and sanctity of contract, it doesn't respect the notion of private property itself.
The key nouns here are right and _____. Power, the time derivative of the capacity to kill is the missing word that signifies sanctioned State (or emergency extrajudicial) compulsion. But a right is a claim to freedom of action that (in a free State) is neither predatory or aggressive. Spooner, Orwell... many valued intellectuals flub this distinction between rights and power.
He is right though.
All a Hungarian junta need do to appear in photo ops with Bush, Mitt and pix of Nixon and Ford is force women to reproduce at gunpoint. It worked for Ceausescu, the Rumanian communist dictator whose boots Nixon and Ford slobbered free of all dust.
Politician says or does something provocative...an appalled political class overreacts; the anti-anti brigades man their battle stations; and around we go, dumbly, until the next controversy
The problem is that those provocative things the politicians in question say are sometimes both true and significant, at least for the life a significant segment of the population. As much as the political class and their media lackey class wants to evade the consideration, importing millions of poor people from a different culture is not an untrammeled good, especially when you have no plans to assimilate them into your civilization, and believe even considering doing so some sort of "cultural imperialism". These aren't the Arab or Indian students you knew in college or the Guatemalan girl you knew in grad school. Those folks are already largely culturally integrated, or at least integrated with "cosmopolitan" culture and were relatively few. These "migration waves" aren't. And if the only response from the political class and their media lackey class to anyone raising concerns about this is to scream racist and talk about their local ethnic restaurant, then it's hardly a surprise when there's a ready audience for those provocative comments and actions who aren't particularly moved by the political and media class's pants soiling.
importing millions of poor people from a different culture is not an untrammeled good
1. No one is "imported". They are not slaves.
2. The right of free speech is not an "untrammeled good". The right to own a gun is not an "untrammeled good". Should these be restricted too on that basis?
Either we believe in liberty for its own sake, or we don't.
1. No one is "imported". They are not slaves.
Sorry my choice of words offended your tender sensibilities. Provide me an address and I'll send you some smelling salts.
2. The right of free speech is not an "untrammeled good". The right to own a gun is not an "untrammeled good". Should these be restricted too on that basis?
Funny, you just provided a clear example of just the behavior of our political class and media class that I was talking about. I acknowledge the downside of a particular policy and you somehow take it to mean I advocate the abandonment of free speech and the right to bear arms. People recognize all the time that the exercise our rights and liberties have downsides. My calling you a lying, scumbag, cocksucker is, if nothing else, a breach of decorum. Yet, we don't assume bad faith for those doing so. And those are the rights that we have instituted our government to protect. I realize you labor under the delusion that governments exist to protect rights in the universal, but most sane people recognize that neither the government of the United States nor the government of Hungary was instituted to protect the liberties of the residents of Timbuktu.
Sorry my choice of words offended your tender sensibilities. Provide me an address and I'll send you some smelling salts.
I don't support using this type of dehumanizing language. If you want to be treated with the dignity and respect that you are entitled to as a sentient moral human being, why not afford that same courtesy to all?
I realize you labor under the delusion that governments exist to protect rights in the universal,
It's not just me:
A *just* government is one that recognizes and protects the inalienable rights of all people, not just those of its citizens. HOW the government does so is a matter of tactics and strategy, not principle. It does not necessarily mean that the US invades Saudi Arabia to free women from oppression. That would be unwise and likely to do more harm than good. It DOES mean, though, that if a married Saudi couple visits the US, and is therefore under the jurisdiction of the US government, that the US government protects the right of the woman to make her own decisions while here even if the husband were to protest that oppressing her would be legal in Saudi Arabia.
but most sane people recognize that neither the government of the United States nor the government of Hungary was instituted to protect the liberties of the residents of Timbuktu.
And in this case, this is about protecting the rights *of citizens* to associate with whom they choose. It isn't about the rights of the foreigners per se, it is about the rights of the citizens. Even if you think that the government shouldn't give a shit about the people from Timbuktu, surely the government must give due consideration to the rights of its own citizens, no?
I realize I'm not talking to a particularly deep or nuanced thinker here, but a right can be universal and the obligation to protect and uphold that right can be specifically local. If the government is anything other than an ersatz parent figure in place to make the world for your choosing, it's an institution created by the a particular polity. And there's no rational reason to expand the authority and responsibilities of said government beyond the bounds of said polity. Given that the only instrument any state has at its disposal is coercion, in fact, expending the lives and fortunes of the members of the polity on behalf of those outside it is radically unjust.
And in this case, this is about protecting the rights *of citizens* to associate with whom they choose.
Except its not restricting the rights of citizens to associate with whom they choose. It's restricting the location of one member of that association. If you're going to try to claim that's not something the government can legitimately restrict, well, then I guess you owe the 1/6 protesters an apology. After all, they were associating in a particular location, and if that's not something the government can legitimately restrict....
a right can be universal and the obligation to protect and uphold that right can be specifically local.
But I agreed with you in this basic concept. We agree that a just government has a principled obligation to protect and uphold the natural rights of *all people*, right? The only remaining question is the tactics or strategy used to meet this obligation.
Except its not restricting the rights of citizens to associate with whom they choose. It's restricting the location of one member of that association.
Oh come on, that is trying to be too clever. That is like saying that COVID lockdowns didn't violate anyone's association rights, they just restricted your physical location. What, Zoom chats aren't good enough for you? So, COVID lockdowns forever?
The Jan. 6 rioters are imprisoned because fundamentally they violated property rights. They have the right to associate, they don't have the right to violate property rights in doing so though.
If a citizen wishes to associate with a non-citizen, in the citizen's country, what rights does this association violate?
The Jan. 6 rioters are imprisoned because fundamentally they violated property rights.
On what planet is the Capitol private property. Don't get me wrong. I'd be happy to see government privatized. But, I don't think we've arrived at AnCapistan quite yet.
I don't support using this type of dehumanizing language. If you want to be treated with the dignity and respect that you are entitled to as a sentient moral human being, why not afford that same courtesy to all?
Because the people you simp for don't deserve it.
Why do you think you deserve it?
You are literally cancer.
Either we support the Constitution of the United States or we help totalitarian criminal states wreck it. This last is what I have watched every anarcho-communist and anarcho-fascist infiltrator do since before there was an LP for them to target and burrow into. The "foolish consistency" that hobgoblinizes "little minds" is the communist anarchist idea that being disarmed and nationless while surrounded by totalitarianism is good. Ask any Jew who survived the Kristallnacht.
Those folks are already largely culturally integrated, or at least integrated with "cosmopolitan" culture and were relatively few. These "migration waves" aren't.
I'm pretty sure that similar arguments were invoked against (legal) immigration to the US of Irish, Chinese, Jews, etc. in times past.
And they were right, until immigration restrictions in the early 20th century largely resulted in that cultural assimilation taking place.
I haven't read the speech in it's entirety, but based on the excerpts, there's little that can't be verified as true.
More amusingly, Welch demands our outrage, but can't explain why. Is it really outrageous that Hungary wishes to remain Hungarian? Why?
By what just authority does a Hungarian government, or a Hungarian collective, have the power to tell other Hungarians how to "act Hungarian"?
If an ethnic Hungarian wishes to "race mix" with non-ethnic Hungarians, why should anyone have the just authority to stop that?
Um, maybe the authority delegated by the Hungarian people who elected him?
Let me put it this way: if put to a vote, how many Hungarians would disagree?
The mob doesn't have the just authority to deprive individuals of their fundamental right, just like an authoritarian government doesn't either.
Unless of course you're willing to submit yourself to the judgment of the mob when they inevitably declare "Hate speech from Nazis should be illegal". I don't think you'd like that result.
The mob doesn't have the just authority to deprive individuals of their fundamental right, just like an authoritarian government doesn't either.
"Fundamental Right" as defined by whom? Presumably you can produce the stone tablet from on high?
Unless of course you're willing to submit yourself to the judgment of the mob when they inevitably declare "Hate speech from Nazis should be illegal". I don't think you'd like that result.
Many countries have, and that is entirely their prerogative. In fact, virtually no other country on earth recognizes the American concept of free speech.
Just so you know, I'm not a Nazi, and really don't know enough about Nazi philosophy to tell you whether I agree with them or not. It simply chaps my ass that liberals seem to regard themselves as their moral superiors, without much ground to stand on.
On the other hand, if my choices were between voting for a Nazi or voting for a liberal, I'd vote for the Nazi and never look back. At least the Nazis left us a few useful things like modern rocketry, the Autobahn and the VW Beetle. The ultimate achievement of liberalism is waving their damned rainbow flag in our faces, 7/24. It ain't like it would be a hard choice.
Many countries have, and that is entirely their prerogative.
They have the prerogative to be wrong, that is correct.
"I'm not a Nazi, I would just vote for a Nazi over a liberal".
This is the state of the world today. We have people unironically saying this shit. It's disgusting and you should feel ashamed.
You would choose to side with genociders because you can't stand the "woke" crowd. It's telling what your priorities are, and human rights isn't one of them.
You aren't human.
You are literally, not figuratively, cancer.
You have already transgressed against us, you intend to continue transgressing, and you need to be fucking killed.
Careful, the lizard overlords might hear you
yup, Ludwig von Mises happily plowed ahead with his intellectual endeavors concerning human liberty knowing it would find its ultimate expression in trumptardy dudes on the internet impotently assigning death in Reason's comment section to anyone critical of ethno-nationalist, group-conformity thingamabob and its undisputed historical reputation for achieving freedom!
I'm glad somebody else notices.
You would choose to side with genociders because you can't stand the "woke" crowd. It's telling what your priorities are, and human rights isn't one of them.
I think the ghosts of about 30 million Native Americans might want to have a word with you about siding with genocide, to name one of many examples.
You are an idiot.
By the way, how many wedding parties have the Nazis droned lately?
Yeah, what I thought...
Only because they don't (yet) use the technology.
Fuck Off, Witch-Burning Nazi! And your drone's getting a sky-full of glitter, some microwave jamming, and crossbow shaft up it's plastic ass if it hovers over my lawn!
Great, the US government is bad too. That's not the comeback you think it is.
no shit.. unless Nemo is some bizarre combo of Trumptard AND agitator for returning North America to the injuns, his comeback makes little sense..
MAGA!
I have Cherokee and Blackfoot in my many-spledored gene pool, and the genocide inflicted on my predecessors doesn't justify the genociders you support! And make no mistake, the Nazi version of Manifest Desfiny would be no better than the previous one and would be more prolific with th Nazi's killing technology!
Fuck Off, Witch-Butning Nazi! And stay the fuck away from my pemmican burgers!
Modern rocketry, the Autobahn, and VW Bugs could be done and made by private individuals, regardless of "race" and nationality, without Nazism.
In fact, the Nazis cribbed rocketry from the Chinese and used slave labor for all of their creations, which prolly explains why the first V2s were riddled with defects.
Moreover, these inventions could have even been and, in fact, are now made better, with the ideas, creativity, and dynamism of free people.
Fuck Off, Witch-Burning Nazi! And get Herbie The Love Bug off my damn lawn!
Modern rocketry, the Autobahn, and VW Bugs could be done and made by private individuals, regardless of "race" and nationality, without Nazism.
Sure. And if your aunt had balls, she could be your uncle. Except she doesn't. But these days, who knows? Maybe she'll have a pair stitched on for you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just like the internet would be so much better if the private sector had invented it.
Except the private sector never got around to doing it. DARPA did.
Governments have been launching satellites since 1957. In fact, the first government to do it was communist. And guess what? Both the US and the Soviets were reliant on ex-Nazi scientists to develop their technology for at least the first 30 years.
The "free market" didn't launch a damn thing until the 21st century, and even at that, if it weren't for government contracts, there would be no "free market" in launches.
So, this is what libertarianism has come to. Standing on the sidelines crying about how much better the free market would have handled things the free market never attempted to do.
Sad.
This one's for you kid!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvggevL_1OE
Humans have sent dots and dashes (the telegraph.) voice (the telephone and radio,) text (the teletype,) pictures (the facsimile,) and moving pictures and sound (television) both wired and wireless without government and damn sure without Nazis.
You don't think it would have been just a short step to consolidate them all into one medium? You don't think private individuals would have eventually demanded that and made that?
And as for Werner Von Braun and the boys, one thing they didn't for their efforts was a "Heil! Their efforts were in the service of us "degenerate Mud People" Americans. So much for their 1000-year Reich.
As for DARPA, it was private indiviuals and private enterprise that made the Internet the tool of every human on the Planet and continues to expand it to places preciously unreached and will expand it anywhere humans go under the sea and between Planets and stars, while you're still stuck here on this mud-ball with your "Blood and Soil."
And speaking of playing in traffic, you can go fill potholes on your Autobahn.
Fuck Off, Witch-Burning Nazi!
Yeah, you don't know anything about Nazism, but you sure as fuck know they murdered millions and made murderius machines.
Fuck Off, Witch-Burning Nazi!
I know for a fact that two men whose writings helped introduce me to Libertarianism--a great Hungarian Libertarian/Objectivist Philosophy Professor Tibor Machan and a great Hungarian-Jewish Libertarian/Secular Humanist Psychiatrist Thomas Szasz--would both say that Victor Orbán doesn't speak for them as Hungarians or as human beings.
And having suffered life under both Nazism and Communism (Machan in particular had an Antisemitic father,) they would both say what I say to you:
Fuck Off, Witch-Burning Nazi! And Goulash Before Gestapos and Gulags!
What we don't have in America (or at least didn't used to have) is an ethnic identity. Not so in Europe. Your identity there is tied up in who your distant tribal ancestors were. Much of the 20th century tried to mix this up, with the constant rewriting of boundaries and such, but pretty much one is judged by who their ancestors were. Hungary is no different.
America exists because people left all that shit behind. We're a meritocracy, your worth is based on what you have done, not who your great granddad was.
Which makes it sad that American conservatives are embracing Orban. I've heard it said over the weekend that he's a nobody, that conservatives don't know who he is. But yet he's one of the main speakers at CPAC. There's at least a significant number of conservatives who are buying into his Ethnicism. But what Ethnicity is America supposed to be? Are we supposed to be more Nordic or more Slavic?
Ethnicism doesn't make any sense here and conservatives need to keep that filthy ideology out of here.
Brandybuck,
You missed the entire point.
In Hungary, to be be Hungarian is an ethnic thing.
In the U.S. to be American is a cultural thing.
Americans used to have a social agreement to follow the constitution, follow the law, play by the rules and arbitrate differences in the courts.
We acknowledged defeats at the polls, and agreed that our opponents had the right to free speech
People who immigrated here were taught to assimilate, to speak English and to honor the flag and the nation that let them enjoy constitutional rights.
Ideally, your color, religion or ethnicity were meaningless.
We did not always live up to those ideals, but that was what united us as Americans.
What point did Brandybuck miss? He nailed it about Orbán and how anathema he is to what the U.S. is supposed to be about and so did you.
There's at least a significant number of conservatives who are buying into his Ethnicism.
That doesn't have anything to do with it. Orban's being invited because "conservatism" is evolving to supporting nationalism, anti-interventionism, and anti-cosmopolitanism as part of the current political realignment going on.
The post-WW2 conceptions of "conservatism" and "liberalism" are functionally dead at this point. The populist, Western, libertarian conservatism of Goldwater and Reagan failed due to multiple factors in the last 30-40 years--retreat in the face of the cultural left, failure to actually follow fiscally conservative precepts, various foreign and domestic policy fuck-ups, the subversive influence of ex-Trotskyites and their spawn--and is being replaced by one that largely aligns along nationalist vs. internationalist precepts.
Conservatives are abandoning the idea of "small government" and "free markets" because the former resulted in their political enemies taking over the government and quasi-government organizations to impose left-wing policies even in nominally "conservative" localities, while the latter gutted their economies and communities. The house rules now are that you don't abandon government structures, because those aren't going away and doing so just concedes that ground to the enemy. You take them over and use them to impose your own policies, the same way your opponents have done for decades. "Small government" vs. "big government" doesn't apply here anymore; it's "social conservatism" vs. "social liberalism," where you reward your friends and punish your enemies, just like Obama promoted.
That doesn't have anything to do with it. Orban's being invited because "conservatism" is evolving to supporting nationalism, anti-interventionism, and anti-cosmopolitanism as part of the current political realignment going on.
Conservatism has certain general principles - or, perhaps, better termed "heuristics" which make it appealing to "conservatives", but when their deeper feelings are appealed to, by e.g., Trump or Orban, that these appealing ideas run counter to the conservatism they claim to follow, they cease to be conservatives, though they may still self-describe thus.
Haidt is good on this, but I have a simpler formulation. It depends on who is defined as "us", how strong the barriers are between "us" and "them", and the extent to which the world is viewed as zero-sum. This formulation explains US (and Hungarian) "conservative" approval of Orban.
You may well be smart enough to fill in the rest yourself.
This is a big plate of bullshit designed to somehow rationalize conservative fascism.
Well done. I bet you yourself even believe this crap.
Sez you, Rock Head.
I'm still a Rugged Individualist Goldwaterite who says stay out of my wallet, my holster, my boardroom, my bedroom, and above all my cranium.
I'm an peaceful, affable guy, but don't try to make me do anything! That goes whether the coercer is a home-grown Collectivist or Theocrat, Ivan The Russian Bear, Genghis The Chinese Dragon, or the Sheikhs, Mullahs, and Tin-Pots of the Islamic World! To all of them, I say: Fill your hands, you Sons-O'-Bitches!
" 'Real' American" appears to be a new self-identified ethnic category - consisting of right-leaning white Americans who don't live on the coast and who have sympathies for the Confederacy.
"We're a meritocracy, your worth is based on what you have done, not who your great granddad was."
What a quaint 1960s-civil-rights-era notion about merit vs. ethnicity.
America is still all about ethnicity -- it's just that the "who's on top" has flipped. Largely due to what Dreher has accurately identified, "liberal Westerners…are so full of self-hatred they are talking themselves into their surrender and annihilation."
“We’re a meritocracy.”
The diversity, equity and inclusion folks have no idea what that means.
You know it's telling that when Orban makes "anti-woke" comments, Reason calls that un-American. Very telling.
The guy has a wry sense of humor. During WW2, Pelley's Silver Shirts and the German-American Bund bawled loudly about Hitler's Catholic church and Madonna paintings and pumped up Lutheran Positive Christianity as it was wrapped in the Nazi platform. To counter this, the "Why We Fight" propaganda series spliced in shots of church steeples dynamited by our communist allies occupying Europe--to palm those off as Nazi attacks on the Baby Jesus for Republican and Dixiecrat consumption. The first casualty...
Orban's biggest sin is that he won't kowtow to the liberal world order. Surprised Reason can't see that.
And how would you have voted in Germany in 1932, mein freund?
I mean, this guy is everything they want. They're not exactly quiet about their march to fascism, at least if you're paying attention. They're definitely giving up on democracy instead of "conservatism" (whatever that means for them these days) just like David Frum predicted.
This piece confused me. Albeit, the rare times I read a piece here the same ensues.
Though, usually whatever myopic "argument" being couched in the given "thinker's" unabridged dictionary security blanket which has exploded upon (invariably) his bespectacled confirmation bias, to beg exhaltation in whatever mediocre accolades, stands glaring at the outset.
But here, we embark, um, "reasonably" upon the issue. Until, shortly into our walk, we meet:
"The pattern is eye-glazingly familiar by now in the age of Donald Trump: Politician does or says something provocative…an appalled political class overreacts; the anti-anti brigades man their battle stations; and around we go, dumbly, until the next controversy."
Before, we then return to a lengthy fleshing-out of the well-stated, and supported, countering of the above's flip and unsupported dismissal thesis.
In fact, that Orban, Putin, Aleksandr Dugin, Le Pen, Thiel, etc., etc's global metastasizing cancer of a petulant fear of change, bonded in an ambiguous & farcical, white Christian nationalist identity - propgated & capitalized upon by the likes of one uber-petulant Steven K. Bannon - & the more petulant Stephen Miller?
Makes the quite opposite qualification v. an "overreaction" to this movement's multiplication of that inciting klepto-fascist xenophobe "Politician" who ostensibly "does or says SOMETHING provocative," singularly. And inert.
Why, then? The need to redirect to the argument, repeated, assuring this degree of concern to be, "dumbly," just a shallow and "predictible overreaction"?
Has there not been progress, and a sustained and greater subscription to the message's instillation of some easily, superficially-identifiable & "existential" fear; of course, per "them." That infectious, invading "other." (Whom inariably rear an Hydra head, before we the hero cleanse our tribe of its ill in as many a mass grave as required.)
We've seen this movie. We know its genisis. We see its heads rearing. Again.
Was Our Capitol, Our seat of government not attacked? To the seditious, embedded politician co-conspirators' gaslighting of the event, and continued domestic attacks towards divisive inticement? Was not Our peaceful transfer of power, then 224 years old, not disrupted to a pre-planned, almost constitutional crisis? Have not Our republic's institutions been chiseld towards failing, and subject unchecked Trojan Horses via "Acting" department heads? Whom We now find a curious unity in thier having suffered Our republic's communications, key to these attacks, missing en masse?
Are We not still awaiting accountability? As its fire stokes; not the least of is represented by the importation and celebration of little Hungary's petty tyrant.
Are we not seeing the rapid erosion of Our democracy's adherence to concession upon loss, post-political competition? (And, as Our highest court is now poised to remand our comman law, embedded precedent wherein Our res publica's PEOPLE vote for their representatation. In consent of their governance. A high court writ large looking to dispense with Our once stable fabric, for an imagined textual reset back to some 200-plus years-lost implication?
Do we not now see regular political and religiously-founded shadow dockets, or not, reversing Our fundamental human rights, and rights bequeathed Our American citizenry; wherein said court's review conveniently ignores the 9th - of Our original 10 Amendments? Ignore the 9th's explicit raison d'etre?
As a liberatarian, I would think you would share in the alarm at the fast encroachment. Clear & present in the poisonous ideas being sold in US. Via this foreign cult of personality whom you rightfully identity as a nationalist, devoted to other than Our commonwealth. Yet, here and being promoted, now, by those with which We have entrusted US.
But then, the piece's one, early contradiction, aside?
It seems that you are.
LOL
You're ngmi
Izzat chu, Agile Cyborg? 😉
"...Was Our Capitol, Our seat of government not attacked?..."
No, TDS-addled steaming pile of lefty shit.
There is a lot of Soros money in DC, especially for drug legalization. Will Reason tell us of any conflicts here?
I don't understand. Academics, journalists have only studied fascism from the right, politically...they don't look critically at left wing fascism because it's their home team. The issue is much deeper, which Milgram studied after WWII and found shocking results. The headline is disingenuous, click-bait at best. Doesn't anyone have the imagination to see that left wing progressives could stoke a future world war based on climate or environmental justice? Who's to say they aren't waging an economic war against businesses in our backyards for that very reason? There's also the other phenomenon, where journalists, celebrities can't criticize Democrats/liberals/progressives without making "equal" criticism of Republicans/conservatives/libertarians. When every political campaign is a "fight" anyone who disagrees with you is an enemy. Milgram's experiments show the awful results of this mentality.
Fascism is both a general and a specific thing. Environmental protection is not traditionally considered an element of it.
But you plan on defining any environmental or other regulation on corporate interests as fascism, it seems.
Ackshuyally, historically, Eco-Wacko ism is part of both Old School Nazism and Neo Nazism.
The Nazis decried cities and the despoilment of a supposedly prisine "Nature" from a Golden Age and blamed both on "Jewish Capitalism."
This ideology is also shared today on Neo-Nazi videos and in the recent manifestoes of Neo-Nazi mass shooters. They also attribute overpopulation to procreation and immigration of "non-White Third-Worlders," also blamed on the Jews.
Study up and do better, Tony.
So is anyone allowed to believe that the natural environment should be preserved from destruction, or do we have to turn the oceans to acid and turn every forest into a crater or else we're Nazis?
The level of stupid here is almost unbearable.
If "the environment" doesn't include a man's dams as well as a beaver's, then yeah.
Not sure why you associate Republicans and conservatives with libertarians, fwiw. There's an infantile delusion amongst some right-wingers that has them self-describe as libertarians, but we're not required to indulge that delusion.
Kill, or be killed.
These leftists cannot survive a direct fight, but they will create hell if nobody fights back.
I agree with some of what the author wrote, disagree why some. He makes some good point, others are not so good. However one thing is clear: his knowledge of the history of the Southern part of East Europe is woefully superficial. Only superficial knowledge would make someone to write about "Greater Hungary's ahistorically swollen land-mass". It was not ahistorically swollen in the early 20th century, which the Trianon Treaty somehow corrected, but it had remained historically unchanged up to that point - for about 1000 years. Look it up if you don't believe me. And it goes beyond superficial, it is the sign of an arrogant level of incuriosity, when he chides the Hungarians stranded on the other side of the border for considering Hungary as the country of their own. I wonder how old the author was when he was first able to tell the difference between Budapest and Bucharest.
So, I guess we're not allowed to talk about unchecked mass migration of very different people into our countries and what effect that is having?
Seems that those who tell us we're not allowed to say anything are more of a worry than those who don't quite say the right thing.
Ignoring real problems and overly exaggerating others: the new normal.