With Deception and Misdirection, House Democrats Vainly Try To Make the Case for Banning 'Assault Weapons'
No, these rifles are not "the weapon of choice in most mass murders."

The House of Representatives is expected to vote this week on H.R. 1808, which would ban the production and sale of "assault weapons." That category includes semi-automatic rifles with features such as pistol grips, folding or adjustable stocks, barrel shrouds, and threaded barrels. The bill also would ban a long list of models by name. Setting the stage for the vote on H.R. 1808, the House Committee on Oversight and Reform today grilled manufacturers of the targeted rifles, emphasizing that they make money by selling the guns that Democrats want to ban, a fact the bill's supporters view as self-evidently scandalous.
The Democrats on the committee offered little evidence to support that perspective. In particular, they failed to show that "assault weapons" are especially likely to be used for criminal purposes, as opposed to lawful purposes such as self-defense or sport, or that prohibiting the features listed in the proposed ban can reasonably be expected to have a meaningful impact on gun violence.
In a press release she issued today, committee Chairwoman Carolyn Maloney (D–N.Y.) repeatedly asserts that "AR-15-style assault rifles" are "the weapons of choice for murderers responsible for America's deadly mass shootings." She reiterated that claim at the hearing, calling such rifles "the weapon of choice in most mass murders."
That is clearly not true. According to a recent National Institute of Justice report on public mass shootings from 1966 through 2019, 77 percent of the perpetrators used handguns. About a quarter of the perpetrators used weapons that would be covered by legislation like H.R. 1808.
Mass shootings represent a tiny share of all gun homicides—somewhere between 0.2 percent and 2.6 percent of the total in 2020, depending on how mass shootings are defined. Contrary to Maloney's claim, handguns account for the vast majority of firearms used in mass shootings, and they account for an even larger share of weapons used in all gun homicides: more than 90 percent in cases where the type of firearm was specified, according to the FBI's 2019 data. Rifles of any sort, only a subset of which would qualify as "assault weapons," were used in less than 3 percent of those cases.
Prior to the federal "assault weapon" ban that expired in 2004, according to a widely cited study published that year, guns covered by such laws "were used in only a small fraction of gun crimes"—"about 2% according to most studies and no more than 8%." Most of those were pistols rather than rifles.
It is clear from these data that the rifles Maloney wants to ban, contrary to the impression she is trying to create, are rarely used to commit crimes. Given the popularity of such firearms, it follows that they are overwhelmingly used for lawful purposes.
"AR-15 rifles are among the most popular firearms in the nation, and they are owned by millions of Americans," the Firearms Policy Coalition notes in a lawsuit challenging New York's "assault weapon" ban. "A recent survey of gun owners indicates that about 24.6 million Americans have owned up to 44 million AR-15 or similar rifles….And according to industry sources, more than one out of every five firearms sold in recent years were rifles of the type banned by New York."
Maloney unwittingly underlines this point by complaining about rising sales of such rifles. "Gun manufacturers collected more than $1 billion from the sale of AR-15-style semiautomatic weapons in the last decade," she says, "and sales are increasing as gun deaths and mass shootings rise."
The New York Times likewise implies a causal connection between sales of these firearms and recent increases in gun homicides. "The leading manufacturers of assault rifles used to perpetrate the deadliest mass shootings in the United States have collected more than $1 billion in revenue over the past decade as gun violence across the country has surged," it says.
But for much of that decade, the homicide rate in the United States was flat or falling. It rose slightly in 2019, then jumped by 29 percent in 2020. Even on its face, that trend does not support the theory that Maloney and the Times are pushing.
Furthermore, that theory cannot possibly be true unless "assault weapons" played a major role in 2020 homicides. But according to a Pew Research Center analysis of FBI data, the share of homicides involving any sort of rifle in 2020 was similar to the percentage in 2019.
The Times seems unfazed by those numbers. Its reference to "gun violence across the country" includes a link to a March 23 story about the "surge in U.S. shootings." Although the story is illustrated by a photo of a man buying a rifle at a gun store, the article says nothing about "assault weapons." It opens with descriptions of three shootings but does not specify the firearms that were used.
Maloney today demanded that rifle manufacturers "apologize to the victims" of crimes committed with their products. "When someone pulls the trigger, you refuse to accept responsibility," she complained. The continued sale of "assault weapons," she said, is "the very definition of putting profits over people." Given the data on firearms used in homicides, including mass shootings, the same dubious logic would apply with much greater force to handgun manufacturers.
Yet the Supreme Court has said that the right to own handguns, which it described as "the quintessential self-defense weapon," is guaranteed by the Second Amendment, notwithstanding the prominent role that such firearms play in homicides. More generally, it said the Second Amendment covers bearable arms "in common use" for "lawful purposes," a description that plainly applies to the rifles that Maloney wants to ban, which play a much smaller role in violent crime.
Antonia Okafor, national director of women's outreach at Gun Owners of America (GOA), illustrated those lawful purposes by explaining why AR-15-style rifles are useful for self-defense. "The AR-15 allows women to have a larger firearm without having to absorb the recoil as much as one does with a smaller handheld firearm," she told the committee. "The AR-15 makes it easier for those who have a physical disadvantage [relative] to the attacker to have the upper hand. Having a rifle allows me the advantage of being able to shoot the attacker from much farther away than a standard handgun."
Okafor added that she is "the proud owner" of a Daniel Defense rifle, which is "by far lighter than any other rifle I own." She said it is "easier for me to hold" and does "an incredible job of absorbing the impact after each trigger pull." Those characteristics are appealing to elderly gun owners as well as women, she said, citing a GOA member who "use[d] an AR-15 to effectively stop a mass shooter" at his church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, five years ago.
Okafor also mentioned a 2019 incident in which "a woman in her ninth month of pregnancy" used "her family's AR-15" to "stop two armed attackers in her home." And she cited "a black Army veteran" who used an AR-15 to protect his family by "fend[ing] off two intruders from his home."
Such examples may not prove that AR-15-style rifles are superior to the alternatives for self-defense. But Maloney and likeminded politicians suggest they are good for nothing but mass murder, which is obviously not true. Maloney et al. want to limit gun buyers' choices based on that false premise.
As Rep. Andrew Clyde (R–Ga.) noted during the hearing, the distinctions drawn by H.R. 1808 make little sense if the aim is to reduce mass-shooting deaths. Under that bill, for example, a semi-automatic rifle that accepts detachable magazines would be illegal if it had a threaded barrel, a barrel shroud, or a folding stock. Yet removing those features would not make the rifle less deadly: It would still fire the same ammunition at the same rate with the same muzzle velocity.
President Joe Biden, who brags about supporting the expired 1994 "assault weapon" ban, nevertheless concedes that it left lots of equally lethal firearms on the market. He wants to "stop gun manufacturers from circumventing the law by making minor modifications to their products—modifications that leave them just as deadly." But those gun manufacturers were not "circumventing the law"; they were complying with the law, which required changes that, by Biden's own admission, left firearms "just as deadly." H.R. 1881 does not solve that problem, which is inherent in the arbitrary definition of "assault weapons."
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People who know nothing about something they want to control.
What's your point? Ignorance is the traditional foundation for populist authoritarianism.
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Oh….. right, same problem.
People fear that which they do not understand.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed unless congress doesn't like the way it looks.
Sorry you damn fascists, that ain't the way it reads!
Riddle me this: what do the democrats want to do to us that is so evil they know it would be the thing to drive us to rebellion, so we must be disarmed first?
Riddle me this: what do the democrats want to do to us that is so evil they know it would be the thing to drive us to rebellion, so we must be disarmed first?
I think, on average, there isn't an ulterior motive. They mean what they say. They think the proliferation of guns is why we're so violent. They're just wrong.
You get better understanding when you grasp that the average person, even the average politician, is simply not that good at lying and they mostly mean what they say. They're just wrong.
I think you are right. I don't think many politicians think that deeply about anything, or are competent enough to secretly plan some nefarious plot like that. They are mostly completely unserious thinkers who just repeat what they think they are supposed to say and get emotional about the things they think they are supposed to get emotional about. Same thing with climate change, race relations, etc.
This is how they got away with death camps in Europe. Nobody believed it was possible.
It baffles me that some people bend over backwards to continue giving undue credit for good faith to those who have proven themselves thoroughly evil over and over and over again.
Think some are just afraid to admit the truth.
I don't give any credit for good faith or intentions. The road to hell and all that. Plenty of evil has been done by people who thought they were doing good.
Great point.
A lot of things are possible. Most won't happen.
But I'm not saying that politicians won't make bad things happen. Only that for the most part they are more useful idiots than evil plotters. And banality and incompetence can bring about great evils.
I disagree entirely. Someone who is wielding as much power and authority as a federal elected official does, without paying some attention to the reality of what they are trying to enact into the legislation, is very much evil.
If we held them to their constitutional limits they wouldn't have this kind of legislative power to wield against us or the spending power to bankrupt us. Unfortunately both sides of the aisle think the constitution only applies to the other side, and the voters of both parties feel the same way.
>>on average, there isn't an ulterior motive
the people running the show or their idiot voters?
I don't think it takes too much intelligence/talent/wisdom to look at what's happening in, for example, the Netherlands and consider what would happen if those farmers were armed.
I think you really have to distinguish between the useful idiots, and the people at the top. Sure, the useful idiots mean what they say; They're idiots.
But why do they think something so stupid and easily proven wrong? Because they're being manipulated by people who are less stupid and more evil.
"They think the proliferation of guns is why we're so violent."
If they really think that and really believe banning guns would solve this problem, they should also ban violent movies and other media. They won't, of course, because they are hypocrites, but that's not exactly news.
Lockdowns, CCP-style?
We have "a well regulated Militia" it is called the Department of Defense, something the A2 adherents fail to address or understand. No need for weapons of war in the civilian sector. They are damn sure not for hunting.
Not sure if serious, but I'll bite anyway. The D.O.D doesn't meet the definition of militia, whether from an originalist or modern interpretation.
If your comment was made in earnest, I find it troubling that anyone would be so willing to rely on the Pentagon for the "security of a FREE state".
Any Fucktard Authoritarian who uses the phrases "Weapons of War" or "Assault Weapon" or "Shoulder Thingie Thar Goes Up" has just become a Self-Proclaimed Fucktard Authoritarian.
@Apollinair, It would seem Ukraine has discovered the value of a civil defense in addition to a standing army. I am not willing to turn over defense of my house and family to professional soldiers or police whose priority will never be me personally. As for the AR-15, it is not a weapon of war. No modern army uses anything close to it. The AR-15 platform just happen to look a lot like M16A2, M16A3, M16A4 and M4 true assault rifles used by several modern militaries. While it is true that AR-15 can share accessories with their assault rifle cousins, they do not share the same fire controls. Calling them assault rifles is like calling an F-150 a Kenworth.
Starting next year, the M-16 and M-4 are being phased out as a weapon of war, to be replaced with a full size cartridge firing rifle, the XM-5.
Which should be offered for sale to law abiding citizens.
Semi-auto version exists, MXC Spear. Chambered in .277 Fury (6.8x51mm). Made by Sig: https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/you-can-buy-the-armys-new-rifle-from-sig-sauer/
Currently a bit expensive still (8K?), but the US market will figure it out as always. Cartridges can be had on ammoseek for about $1.50 a piece. I will get one as soon as I can.
Is it just me, or are we getting some pretty low quality trolls in the comments the last few weeks?
KMW’s plan is to draw in the ignorant … for the clicks that raise ad rates. She doesn’t care if they degrade the level of discussion.
Agree.
Same with allowing the obvious 50 centers, and all the shopright bots telling us how they made 600thousand us dollars this week. Clicks is clicks.
When an illegal immigrant commits a murder does Carolyn Maloney (D–N.Y.) accept responsibility?
The descriptive clause has no change of effect on the independent.
"Blue being a pretty color on the sky, the government should not be able to ban blue" would not change the meaning to only protecting a picture of a blue sky.
What really needs to be done is to examine how the type of grammatical construction in the 2nd Amendment was used at the time the Constitution was written.
re: "it is called the Department of Defense"
No. Just no.
Someone doesn't understand the definition of militia, nor does he seem to understand the preparatory clause is not the definitive clause. As for weapons of war, which style weapons wasn't used in warfare? Bolt action rifles were specifically designed for warfare and are still used by marksman and snipers.
A militia is made up of citizen volunteers who bring their own weapons.
The DOD is not that.
The distinguishing feature of a militia is that when the government calls them out, they can say "no".
(remember the sixties poster 'suppose they gave a war and no one came?')
The DOD is not that.
No, these rifles are not "the weapon of choice in most mass murders."
What they are is the closest your average citizen will have, to be able to take up arms against this increasingly tyrannical government.
As had happened mere years before the Framers attached the Bill of Rights to the newly ratified Constitution.
It is those citizens, in whom the defense of liberty is granted, through the existence of the Second Amendment.
The 2A was never about hunting.
Only idiots think it was.
I mean we just had a case of a dem senator admitting ar 15s were common use and protected by Heller but he continued to push it anyways because it being common use is the problem.
Democrats dont give a shit.
His audience was was the far-left, who never encountered a gun they didn't want to ban.
You really have to ask?
It's pure kulturkampf. It's red meat to ultraliberal wackos who earnestly believe that "no one needs an AR-47" and that the only reason THEY want to keep them legal is so that Big Arms can profit off the mass murder of children and black people. They can put out a campaign ad showing off how "tough" they are on "gun crime" and "violence" and that's really the extent of it. There is an object liked but none of their own supporters and liked by many of their opponents' supporters. Ask them how many would support banning MAGA hats.
Never mistake a politician for someone who actually cares about an issue. They care about getting (re)elected, that's it. I guarantee you, if the 12th congressional district of California suddenly became overrun with gun nuts, you'd see Nancy Pelosi cutting the ribbon on a dozen shooting ranges and firing off a full auto weapon for the cameras.
Remember when Barack Obama shot a gun to "prove" he went skeet shooting "all the time"?
Oh sure, Obama went Skeet shooting all the time. I checked on that, and Skeet Ulrich is very much alive and unmutilated. So once again, Obama is a total fraud.
Perhaps the way to get Democrats to back off on their abortion fetish is to turn it into a constitutional amendment.
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>> help me find a place and just try to learn Spanish for a year or something
go no further south than Dallas.
Mexicans are sick of Californians, too.
Don't they care about the jobs these immigrants are bringing to their country? How selfish.
Even if it were true, so what? They are effective weapons. That's the point, and why (or part of why) people want them for legal purposes. All weapons can be put to good or evil uses.
The pen is mightier than the sword, and it is being used very destructively in these here Newnited states.
Never bring a gun to a pen fight
Resident gun queer Jacob misses the point that though mass shootings are a relatively small percentage of gun deaths in America - as if that was supposed to be comforting - they are frightening for being random and therefore not defensible. The higher the number of dead, the more likely that an AR15 like weapon was used because the only thing they are good for is murdering humans and blowing up deer and wild hogs.
Yeah, yeah, we know gun queers like those here know more about their phallic crutch than the rest of us, so instead of pretending there is no problem in America and making fun of those not into your cult, you come up with the best ways to reverse the horrible, frightening, and to the rest of the world, embarrassing data on gun deaths in the US. Clearly you don't give a fuck, or more importantly can't imagine not having your toy, or even worse after the last month somehow think that more guns and Texas like laws will make things better.
Been there, been doing that, and the good guys with a gun, like you pretend to be at the range, are losing big time to the nuts and criminals who bought their glock out of a trunk - probably stolen from your father-in-law - or an AR15 legally on their 18th birthday. Help us out here and tell us how to make your hobby less lethal.
dude no. this didn't work.
Please don't feed the trolls.
So sad.
The hobby would be more pleasant if you would hold the target.
Scary movies have the potential to scare people, same with Halloween. Both should be banned because JF is a scared child.
Blowing up deer. You truly are that fucking stupid.
He doesn't understand that the 5.56 mm isn't that powerful of a cartridge and is convinced it's somehow some super cartridge. It's so super that the Army has been trying to replace it since it's introduction and is returning to a full size cartridge next year when the first of the XM-5 rifles will enter service. The Army has given up on the small, fast cartridge theory and is returning to the full size battle rifle school. The Marine Corp is also considering following suit.
Sure soldier, the US military has just been wrong for 50 years and has been arming our troops with pea shooters instead of lethal weapons combining killing power and ease of use.
The saddest part about this is his understanding appears to be about the average level of understanding of the bill's drafters. You can go through the whole list but the fact that the exceptions include several variants of the M-1 Carbine, BAR, and Mini-14 tell you pretty much everything you need to know. They just looked at pictures of guns and said "Scary/Not scary" and went with that.
Joe Friday is clearly a midwit sophomore at a state university.
The hobby is not more lethal than driving a car, imbecile. In fact, car accidents cause more deaths. Ban cars first, idiot.
5.56 - Risk/benefit.
Look it up.
I did, dipshit. The benefit is that our society remains free and we can defend ourselves. The overwhelming majority also uses the AR for sporting. Hundreds of millions of Americans agree with me by owning a gun. Tens of millions of americans agree with me by owning 44 millions of ARs.
The deaths by guns compared to the number of gun owners and lawful owners doesn’t even appear in the decimals looking at the percentage, that’s how small it is.
Yes, risk/benefit. Cope. Seethe. Continue to lose.
I hate to feed the trolls, but "blowing up deer"? AR-15 are commonly chambered in .223WIN, which is a round that is not even legal for hunting deer because it is not lethal enough for taking down larger game.
Besides, I've put hundreds of rounds through my AR-15 and haven't killed a thing with it, let alone masses of people or blown up any deer. I must be using it wrong.
Thanks for confirming the uselessness of AR-15 type guns except for continuing the immature impulse of American boys to play army at the range, or if they go nuts, to blow up schools and theaters.
So first you say that an AR-15 will blow up a deer, and that the military has been using it for 50 years, so it must be useful in its intended role, then you say it's useless.
You need to work on your trolling consistency.
You need to work on your trolling consistency.
No. He needs to die in a fire and stop inflicting his willful retardation on other people.
Fuck off and die, Asshole
Just suck start a gauge and make all your troubles go away.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults.
Not a one of his posts is worth refuting; like turd he lies and never does anything other than lie. If something in one of Joe Asshole’s posts is not a lie, it is there by mistake. Joe Asshole lies; it's what he does.
Joe Asshole is a psychopathic liar; he is too stupid to recognize the fact, but everybody knows it. You might just as well attempt to reason with or correct a random handful of mud as engage Joe Asshole.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults; Joe Asshole deserves nothing other.
Eat shit and die, Asshole.
Nobody here gives a shit about what a self professed democrat thinks about the 2nd Amendment and his retarded understanding of the Constitution and it’s history.
Retarded raving faggot is being a retarded raving faggot again.
Maybe he’ll be murdered by one of those vio,ent criminals he and his fellow travelers enable.
"In a press release she issued today, committee Chairwoman Carolyn Maloney (D–N.Y.) repeatedly asserts that "AR-15-style assault rifles" are "the weapons of choice for murderers responsible for America's deadly mass shootings." She reiterated that claim at the hearing, calling such rifles "the weapon of choice in most mass murders."
"That is clearly not true."
How dare you! In woke world, we all have our own lived (or imagined or projected) experiences, and we reject the idea of universal, objective truth. Mahoney knows what feels right to her (and to enough of her voters and donors). Besides, she is using impeccable modern logic: shootings are bad, mass shootings are really bad; guns are bad, scary TV-style black guns are really bad; therefor scary black guns cause mass shootings.
anyone on the floor right now respectfully calling the Distinguished Representative from New York a fucking moron?
Bottom line. Australia, New Zealand and other countries have ENDED their problem with mass shootings by banning assault style rifles and semi-automatic weapons. - We clearly need to do the same.
easier to gofund your one-way ticket.
No thanks. I'll just fix my country.
good luck with that.
Do you have to break it first like most democrats?
No. Clearly, the gun industry/gun lovers are doing that.
The 2nd Amendment stands and you won't "fix" the US to your liking. "Fix my country" like it's only yours, spoken like a true authoritarian pig.
The country has a choice. They can either continue having irrational worship of the personal possession of weapons of war, or they can exercise good sense, and be satisfied with single shot guns.
Fortunately, most Americans want strong gun control. To be forced to follow your minority is what would be authoritarian, pig.
44 million ARs in the hands of 24+ million Americans, that's for ARs alone. More than 50% of Americans in a household with guns. They are more common use than marijuana.
Your "majority" that wants strong gun control doesn't exist. Especially as soon as they understand the terms of that.
Cope. Seethe. The war has been settled. You lost long ago.
"Single shot guns", you're such a fucking whiny loser bitch LMAO
"...The country has a choice..."
Correct. I choose to have ignorant piles of lefty shit like you fuck off and die.
I'll just fix my country.
Not without a rifle you won't.
Don't need it. We have laws, law enforcement and the greatest military on earth. But thanks for the "concern."
Yeah, go try and "fix it", you laughable imbecile. Nothings gonna happen. Trillions of private property in the US will not be seized just because you're a whiny little idiot who wants to fix something. LOL you're so fucking lost 😀
"...We have laws..."
Yes, shitpile, those laws specifically allow me to own guns.
It wasn't concern. It was a statement of fact. And, true to fact, when you foist the work and responsibility of fixing 'your' country off on better men than yourself, you didn't fix it, they did. Creating an appreciable question of whether it's 'your' country or not.
You sound like an clueless, entitled 16-yr.-old who's pretty sure he's got life figured out, driving around in his Dad's car.
Stack up or Shut up, Mr Big Mouth.
"...I'll just fix my country."
Asshole, MY country allows me to own guns in its founding document.
Fuck off and die.
It was also much easier for them to remove rights and push people into concentration camps for covid even when not infected.
He who trades security for liberty deserves neither.
But you support Trump forcibly rounding up the homeless and putting them into camps.
Lol. This is getting pathetic for you. I even said I was against it freely.
Wow. You really are a delusional moron.
So pathetic. I want to know why you got fired. For being an asshole? Creeping on the new secretary?
You're just back peddling. Everyone knows what you already said.
Lol. Keep at it sarc. Proving everything I've ever said about you buddy.
More proof! Keep it up!
You just proved that you hate Mila Jovovich by not contributing to a charity that benefits fighters in Ukraine! You bastard! You hate The Fifth Element! Asshole!
I can't wait to see where this spiral ends. You already tried for your sympathy posts this morning. This bottom is going to be glorious.
You can have plenty of "security" with regular rifles, shotguns and non semi-automatic weapons. -- Weapons of war should not be in private hands.
Over 90% of all common use guns are semi automatics dummy.
Right. - That's the problem.
Fuck off and die, slaver.
^^^ Right THERE.
Fucktard Authoritarian.
No. It's clearly the gun lobby that has been authoritarian, insisting on having such loose gun control, it has caused an epidemic of mass shootings for the last few decades. While the majority of Americans are opposed to this horrific state of affairs.
Actually, it's really the buyers of more than 400 million firearms all across the US, which is something very democratic if you think about it. And there is nothing you can do about it.
Seethe, stomp impotently, remain irrelevant.
I own a bolt action. That's my only non semi-automatic "weapon."
One of my favorites is a Marlin Model 60 that was build in the mid 80s. It's a .22 reloading rifle with a tube magazine. Because the tube magazine holds 15+ rounds it's an assault weapon according to the law.
The company redesigned the gun to legally produce it in CT where the company is located. Meaning they made the tube under the barrel a little shorter.
Laws are stupid.
Some laws are. Complete bans on assault style rifles and semi-automatic weapons have worked well in preventing mass shootings in New Zealand, Australia, and other countries.
Then move there smooth brain. I’m sure the Kiwis would love another frightened and stupid sheep to fucking slap around.
I love my model 60!
All weapons are "weapons of war", you midwit.
That's just a semantics game. -- Single shot guns can be justified as hunting, target practice and personal protection. The rest can't.
Semi-Autos are regular rifles....Would lever action be allowed under your dystopian rule?
Only our current mass shooting problem is dystopian. Just look at the gun laws in New Zealand and Australia for the specifics.
Come and take them then.
Law enforcement and the military will, if necessary. Rational gun owners will comply, especially if there's a gun buy-back plan as some countries have had.
Rational gun owners will not have their property taken away, this is the US. In my mostly blue state, a certain piece of gun legislation didn't make it out of the committee because local politicians are more in touch with their constituents and have self-preservation instincts.
You really lost the culture. Accept it and move on. Americans voted you out with their wallets and their property.
I know I am shattering your gun grabbing fantasies right now. It is delicious.
Also why did you ignore all the countries with strict laws and still have gun violence?
Such as?
Graph for you in link.
https://www.gunfacts.info/gun-policy-info/guns-in-other-countries/
That site is indicated as dangerous, virus containing by my software. Try cleaning up your act.
Eat shit and die, asshole.
Your software sounds as if it is just as scared and wussified as your Ebert quote LMAO
LOL
Commit suicide, then we'll talk
Thanks for showing you have no arguments.
A2. You lose, shitpile.
Get up off of your damn knees.
No, they didn't. The actual statistics demonstrate that their gun bans had essentially no effect on violent crime rates.
No thanks to the dis-information.
Semi automatic shotguns are by far the most common hunting shotguns around. Semi-automatic pistols are by far the most common pistols sold. Semi-automatic hunting rifles are also fairly common. Also, semi-automatic rifles are not weapons of war. Additionally, if you know your history bolt action rifles were specifically designed for warfare, and most successful bolts are derivatives of Mauser's patented design, that was utilized in military rifles specifically. In fact the only reason bolt action rifles ever became more popular than semi-automatic rifles (which, semi-automatic rifles, outsold them at the beginning of the 20th century) was because of cheap abundant military surplus bolt action rifles at the end of the first world war. The most popular caliber of hunting cartridges are the .30-06, which was specifically designed for warfare.
I would've assumed pump shotguns are most common. Regardless, semi's are perfectly fine. Just inherited my grandpa's Beretta 12g semi upon his passing, its become my go to for shooting clays but too nice to drag through the woods for hunting purposes. The old 870 express works great for that.
See New Zealand and Australia for how banning semi-automatic weapons works.
It didn't do shit. As has been explained to you.
False.
Additionally, despite the laws, compliance was and remains extremely low, with very few semi-automatic rifles being turned in as required, therefore the number of semi-automatic rifles in these countries, in the hands of civilians, remains virtually unchanged from prior to the law. Therefore you want us to believe a law that is mostly ignored, did almost nothing to decrease the number of these types of weapons, somehow miraculously ended mass shootings (which were extremely rare before hand, so much so that no statistical difference can be inferred because of the infinitesimal data set).
Thousands of guns have been turned in during gun buyback programs in the US alone. Nevertheless, the program, by its nature, is not designed to get all the guns.
It's part of a larger package of law enforcement and social awareness that incentivizes casual gun owners to get rid of them, depending on how you turn the dial, potentially leaving only the real nuts behind, treated with suspicion by both law enforcement and society for their shady gun fixation.
There's nothing written that says we can't have tens of millions of nutbars in America. It's basically a national pastime.
But it is not logic to say that because some program is imperfect that therefore we have to adopt a policy of maximum gun proliferation. Even if you refuse to take any responsibility for the US's anomalously high rate of gun deaths.
Of course, you know half of all "gun deaths" in the U.S. are suicides, right?
Closer to 60%, some years almost 2/3rds.
Almost every gun turned in during so called buybacks are worthless, often not even functioning, pieces. They're completely useless. God, tonight's not your night to make salient points, is it?
Also, shall not be infringed bitch.
All the policy we need.
The tragic fire at my ice fishing cabin took all of my guns
Shit! Not even frozen lakes are safe these days. Thanks Biden.
You're a faggot.
Of course a country without guns has fewer gun deaths. Just like a country without cars has fewer car accidents. But the utility of cars and guns is more important than the accidents and crimes commited with them.
More than 10 million new gun owners in the US in the last two years alone, many democrats too, and there is nothing you can do about it, coping, seething loser ahaha 😀
The New York Times likewise implies a causal connection between sales of these firearms and recent increases in gun homicides. "The leading manufacturers of assault rifles used to perpetrate the deadliest mass shootings in the United States have collected more than $1 billion in revenue over the past decade as gun violence across the country has surged,"
The NYT? How long is Reason going to continue to allow bird cage liner to be cited by its editors? Revenue is not profit. Conflating the two is completely intentional. And no mention of those 'leading manufacturers' contracts with governments?
Who fact-checks the fact checkers?
what kind of bigot doesn't accept the NYT as expert opinion?
I bet he's one of those polish apologist who claim the Nazis invaded Poland in 1938 and not the other way around.
Could just as easily say "The leading manufacturers of over-powered cars used to perpetrate the drunk driving homicides in the United States have collected more than $1 billion in revenue over the past decade as drunk driving across the country has surged,"
P.S., I thought AOC told us not to use the word surge?
"Societies are in collapse because power has been concentrated in the hands of small men made big with guns. I understand guns in war, in hunting, in sport. But when a man feels he needs a gun to leave his house in the morning, I fear that man. I fear his fear. He believes that the only man more powerless than himself is a dead man." -- Roger Ebert
Post your address.
Why would I do something so ill-advised? - Has anyone ever done that for you? - Bizarre.
Why wouldn't you? Oh because it is not safe to do so. The same reason people carry, because criminals don't follow the law.
But you expect women to refrain from getting abortions because the law says so, do you not?
You just reiterated the quote. Not a single person I hang out with carries a gun, and these are not people who would do well in a street brawl.
There used to be one guy I would see at the bar who did. He was a racist paranoid asshole. How the fuck are we supposed to know who the good guy with a gun is? Do they wear name tags?
Oh good God, this stupid argument. If you carry a gun it means you can't fight. Uh, duh. Fuck, I don't care how good a street fighter you are, someone comes at you with a weapon, you're likely to get fucked up. Also, you think you're a good fighter, until you meet someone who is better. And for a woman, or a person with a disability relying on your own strength is asking to get fucked over. God, this is one of your stupidest fucking posts ever, and that takes a lot. Uh duh, racist. Give me a fucking break Tony, you're usually better than this.
So you admit right wingers would carry out acts of violence against someone just because they disagree with them in a comments section. No surprise. - It reminds me of the Republican who attended a Charlie Kirk meeting and asked him, "When do we get to start shooting Democrats?"
Just add that to the pile of reasons we need to ban assault style rifles and semi-automatic weapons.
Nice try at twisting what I stated. BTW, I'm not a Republican, just to clear that up. Also, you haven't demonstrated shit. If not fear, why else would you hide your address? No one threatened you, I simply pointed out that you and others, including myself, won't post our address out of a realistic assessment of the danger, and our fear of that danger. You're simply to narrow minded to understand I guess.
Complete nonsense. - Banning semi-automatic weapons works, and there is zero real sacrifice to do so.
I own several hunting semi-automatic rifles and shotguns. That is a sacrifice, it takes away my property that I legally purchased and use legally. Additionally, no banning semi-automatic does not work, you've had it explained at length why it didn't work in Australia or New Zealand. You keep saying it despite multiple posters giving you information to the contrary. In other words your incapable of learning and adapting.
Complete lies. -- Most countries that ban sem-automatic weapons have buy-backs, so there is no sacrifice. Of course, no one even attempted to discredit that Australia and New Zealand stopped their mass shooting problem with semi-automatic bans.
Just more "info" from your backside.
LOL you're such a seething little loser bitch 😀 Democrats were a large portion of the 10+ million new gun owners during the pandemic alone and guns are common use items, including AR15 which there is 20+ million in civilian hands and THEY WILL STAY there
cry more you little bitch boy clinger dumbfuck HAHAHA 😀
Who said all Democrats are right? That's clearly not true, especially with the majority of Dem politicians who are actually corporate Democrats, little different from the corrupt Republicans, both serving the same corporate donors.
The people voted with their dollars. A large portion of the 10+ million new gun owners in the pandemic are Democrats and it doesn't matter if they're "right" in your opinion, because recent gun control efforts put them in the same position as Republicans: They will see how little concern their party has for their rights to their property.
Brace for the midterms, democrat shill. Your hated republicans will take over.
Enjoy your delusion. This is a democracy and will remain one. Most Americans want strong gun control.
Fuck, I understated the number, I must have read over that. Ok, so it's 44+ million AR15's in the hands of more than 24 million Americans. And that's only AR's.
Duuuuude, the left is FUCKED beyond any repair for centuries in their doomed, authoritarian gun-control misery which they so desperately cling to. Wow, have they lost MASSIVELY. Man, I wish Roger Ebert were here to be informed about this. I would love to see his reaction. Delicious.
Just keep thinking that. Most Americans have had it with these mass shootings and are ready to follow the lead of Australia and New Zealand.
You have nothing to back that up, while I have the following:
1.2 guns per person in the US. 400 million guns. more than 10% of those AR15s. "Assault" weapons bans don't even matter anymore at this point, because even in the GULAG of NY the compliance rates are embarrassing and will be even more so, nationally.
The people voted with their dollars. The war is settled. You lost. Stay triggered, loser.
I always back up what I say, because I only speak the truth, as opposed to Republicans who only speak lies.
From Axios: "Seventy percent of Americans think enacting new gun control laws should take precedence over protecting ownership rights, according to an ABC News/Ipsos poll out Sunday."
"Why it matters: The findings indicate widespread support for stricter gun control laws in the wake of mass shootings in Buffalo, New York, Uvalde, Texas, and Tulsa, Oklahoma."
"The big picture: On the flip side, 29% of respondents believe protecting the right to own a wide variety of guns should be a higher priority than enacting new gun control laws, the poll suggests."
The gap between the two positions has widened by 9 points since March 2021, when the same poll found that 66% of people favored new gun control laws, while 34% preferred protecting gun ownership rights.
THE lead of Australia and NZ? LAUGHING MY FUCKING ASS OFF YOU IDIOT
In Australia, like half a million guns were submitted in total? We have fucking 44 million AR15s alone, 88 times that, you absolute idiot.
NO, for property rights alone, this won't happen. Gun owners DOMINATE and their position will consolidate more because people have voted gun grabbers out with their dollars.
Cope, seethe, lose.
It's nonsense to claim policies can't work because countries are not the same size. I just showed how 70 percent of Americans want strong gun control laws.
Just to let you in on a fact: Partisan politics has little to nothing to do with it
YOU are the reason the founders made sure the Bill of Rights, including the 2nd amendment, was made part of the Constitution.
YOU and people just like you with your ignorant, idiotic, stupid, biased, bigoted views are one of the main reasons we will keep our arms.
Because you are just that dangerous.
Your and your ilk are the wanna-be dictators with the overweening desire for the power to tell other people how to live their lives.
That's just nonsensical projection. -- The 2nd Amendment refers ONLY to a "well-regulated" militia for the purpose of organizing an army to defend against attacks by other countries. In those times, every adult male was considered a part of the defense, in a reserves type military. - Now we have the best military in the world and have no need of that kind of arrangement. Especially in these crazed, violent times. - Mass shootings are not an acceptable price to pay for anything.
Well-regulated meant smoothly running and maintained back then, faggot.
Shall not be infringed. The right of the PEOPLE. Cope, seethe, lose, cry, vanish.
>>>"Well-regulated meant smoothly running and maintained back then"
You guys come up with a piece of nonsense and never let it go. That is as phony as a three-dollar bill.
"But when a man feels he needs a gun to leave his house in the morning, I fear that man."
Insightful comment for a guy who wrote for the Chicago Sun-Times ...
But probably did not have to go to theaters on the south side.
You forgot the most important part - that he fears his fear.
He can be a crybaby who fears someone else's fear and he can also fear their fear of his fear and do another dumb loop in his brain because he is an obsessed little autistic wussy fuck but WE DONT CARE because he is dead and his opinion is irrelevant outside of the communities of coddled, degenerate, liberal dead ends of evolution. Go cry with your dead Ebert and go fear my fear, or whatever the fuck, you twisted idiot.
Me thinks thou dost protest too loudly. - Ebert was clearly right. You have given zero reason why gun lovers shouldn't be content with single shot guns.
LMAO you're such a fucking loser.
Single shot guns aren't useful for self-defense at all, that's one big reason. A single shot gun will not stop a perpetrator who will have regular capacity magazines from 15 to 30.
You're a pitiful clown. And will continue to lose in court and in the culture war, where people value their ability to defend themselves very much.
The whole point is there won't be "perpetrators" with semi-automatic guns. Laws against them work. "Perps" will go after you with single-shot weapons.
Mostly, self-defense starts with the good judgement of not being in dangerous areas. If there's danger around your house, start or join a neighborhood watch and run them out.
Roger Ebert panned Howard The Duck. Fuck him.
You are easily offended. Kind of like a snowflake.
And you're a dumb fuck that doesn't understand the humor of that statement. Kind of like a dumb fuck.
Humor? - Now that's funny. (Unintentionally) Neither of you should quit your day jobs.
He humorously dismissed your quote of Ebert by stating his own subjective opinion as if he were reviewing Ebert, but you goddamn agenda-driven moron aren't even getting that, despite your intellectual and moral high ground, you pathetic, wannabe smart, leftist dumphole.
No. That didn't happen, of course. Learn that tossing insults does not constitute debate or win you any points. It just indicates your inability to debate.
Learn that pointless rambling and non-facts make you ineligible for debate and therefore you will only get insults for being the whiny, triggered, wussified moron you are, who incidentally lost the culture on guns HUGELY. Cope. Seethe. Cry more. 😀
Insults don't bother me. They run off my back like water. They just show you have no arguments.
He also made a pun, but whatever. Just get any part of it, that would be enough for a start.
No. It was a lame fail.
Have you noticed that your opinion doesn't matter to the people here? And that your "facts" aren't really facts? Lol you lost, stay triggered. 😀
I hadn't noticed. I'm not here for a popularity contest. I just throw light on all the lies.
A film critic, really? That's your source for a discussion of firearms, a fucking hack film critic who has been wrong more often than right about films? Fuck, that's asinine.
Roger Ebert was probably the most beloved and respected film critic in America. - His wisdom and powers of observation naturally spread to other subjects.
It's telling that gun lovers don't care about any of that and just want to tear him down. --- Tsk.
He is a film critic, and his history of criticism is dubious at best. The fact that you gun grabbers resort to a film critic as proof of some profound wisdom is insightful into how under informed you are (see above how all your previous arguments are destroyed with just a little knowledge). I'm not tearing down Ebert so much as pointing out the stupidity of using his uninformed opinion as proof of anything outside his area of expertise, and BTW Siskel was always a better and more accurate critic. Ebert rode on his coattails.
Complete nonsense. -- The wisdom was completely evident in the words themselves. You just don't want to acknowledge that wisdom so attack the messenger. You'd attack even if Jesus said it.
No it wasn't fuckhead. It is obvious only to you because it backs up your ignorant stance. But because you're ignorant, and you see it as wise, is the real indictment of the lack of wisdom of the statement.
More pitiful belief that insults equals debate.
YOU. DO. NOT. DEBATE.
YOU. SPREAD. FALLACIES.
YOU. ARE. NOT. WORTHY. OF. DEBATE.
Nice projection. Republicans' favorite tool of dishonesty.
Nice projection. The right wing's favorite tool.
I'd actually disagree with Jesus on that and would attribute him being so out-of-touch to the fact that he is the son of God and can be reborn.
Jesus also could just ignite his attackers into flames or make them explode, sort of like a 5.56 round right? Or blow their lung out like a 9mm. Being the Son of God has its perks, not sure crucifixion would be worth it though.
That figures.
Which you can't.
Also, Ebert also has a well deserved reputation of being an elitist who disparages the masses.
What are we supposed to like about the masses?
You've got that right. Especially the lying Trump cultist, democracy haters.
This says everything about progressives. You claim to back equality but what you really mean is enslavement of your leaders. Because progressivism has always been about elitism (and generally hidden racism) and authoritarianism. From it's very inception in the latter 19th century. Thanks for proving it again, you and Tony's rather pathetic attempt at humor. Uh duh, that was funny. SMH. Fuck, you haven't demonstrated anything close to a truly intellectually honest or deep argument, yet. You did try a rather puerile appeal to authority, but chose a film critic as some grand philosopher of social righteousness. It's pretty fucking sad.
Hi. Elitist here. Guilty. I like elite things. Elite music, elite movies, elite food and drink, elite sportsmen, elite educations, elite suits, elite neighborhoods, and elite haircuts.
Elite is a synonym of good in my book. If you're a simple country person without any education in the finer things, I see you not as a bad person, but as a victim. A victim of a society built by assholes who continue to exploit your provincialism for votes.
This is not, I hasten to say, the blind worship of people with money. I want everyone to have access to elite things. That's the vision. What the fuck do I gain from being surrounded by "masses"?
"Elite is a synonym of good in my book."
Another symptom of your narcissism. Simple things can be good too. Are you proud to be this spoiled? Or did you really do it the other way around, you use elite in place of good? Like, cashier gives you change and you autistic weirdo say "THANK YOU, HAVE AN ELITE DAY!" Lmao
And now don't tell me that you never get change because you have a fucking ELITE credit card lmfaaaao
More deluded nonsense and insults parading as debate. Progressives are the only politicians who are honest and actually represent the working class. -- Republicans, corporate democrats and Libertarians are the corrupt elites, of course.
LMAO so retarded. Nobody debates you shill, because you have no points. Go somewhere where people aren't so far ahead of you.
When you can't respond to points, toss insults.
The proven democracy haters are the ones who stole the 2020 election.
The LieCheatSteal party and the RINOs.
smh - When you can't handle reality, retreat into Trump Quack-anon lies and fantasy.
You retreated into your libtard parallel reality first thing. Not sure why you're whining around here.
You haven't demonstrated anything of the sort. Just more grabbing inspiration from your backside. - This used to be a place for intelligent conversations. -- Every once in a while, I like to inject some thinking here.
Oh, brother. - Pull some more "information" from your behind.
As soon as you do. Fuck, you have been wrong about everything you've posted, moron.
Easy to say. Impossible to show. Especially to someone who thinks piles of insults constituted "debate."
You're an irredeemable moron if you think anyone is still taking you seriously. The only thing that saves you from absolute humiliation is a like counter. I suspect you're even getting torn apart on Twitter.
More Q-fantasy
Let's make a fair deal, I think soldier expects too much from you.
We will provide more information as soon as you just stop spreading DISinformation. Think that's feasible for you, fuckstick?
I speak only the truth. That has always been my overriding policy. It's clear Republicans are the party of lies.
"I speak only the truth."
Laughing my ass off, are you a troll who is actually in favor of guns? You really must be a parody. Think anyone is remotely credible who makes a statement like THAT one? 😀
Wisdom and powers of observation? No, it doesn't naturally go outside his area of supposed expertise. I'm just still amazed you thought a film critics opinion was pertinent to any discussion. It's mind boggling. Should we see what Rachel Ray's opinion on the deficit is? While we're bringing in impertinent opinions to the discussion. Maybe Martha Stewart's opinions on National Defense?
So desperate to discredit. - Millions of people relied on and enjoyed Ebert's wisdom and skills of observation. - You won't change that here. I'd quit before I got too far behind if I were you.
Lmao just like Joe Vegetable Biden has followers on twitter. Yeah, makes the veggie burger such a credible source. Not even Dems want him and you won't change that here. You're so insanely dumb lol
No. You reveal your ignorance by assuming I'm a Biden supporter.
You didn’t even get my point lmao
Im saying that a random millions number following someone (twitter followers in bidens case, ebert readers in eberts case) is not indicative of anything.
Furthermore you are the first to assume everyone here’s a Republican.
You’re really not that bright are you?
Again, there is little difference between Republicans and Libertarians. They both believe in unfettered capitalism which is rapidly destroying the planet.
Lol Ok, Karen. Go live in Venezuela then. Idiot.
No they didn't. The list of movies he panned as bad that became blockbusters and classics is legendary. There's whole lists of them on the internet. Dead Poet Society, The Usual Suspects, Die Hard, Clock Work Orange, Team America, Raising Arizona, etc. No one really based their decisions to see a movie on his recommendations. You're vastly overstating his influence. Which I suspect you weren't even alive for most of.
You couldn't be more wrong. Funny how you went to all the trouble of digging up someone's list of movies they disagreed with Ebert about.
You should watch your assumptions. Ebert began his career as a movie critic in 1967, and I have been following him from that beginning. Wikipedia notes:
"In 1975, Ebert became the first film critic to win the Pulitzer Prize for Criticism. Neil Steinberg of the Chicago Sun-Times said Ebert "was without question the nation's most prominent and influential film critic," and Kenneth Turan of the Los Angeles Times called him "the best-known film critic in America."
He won a prize, whoops doesn't prove millions of people based any decision on his wisdom. Blind appeal to authority and worship of credentialism, hardly the signs of someone who is capable of critical thinking.
So desperate to discredit. - Millions of people rely and enjoy the utility and practicality of AR15 style rifles. - You won't change that here. I'd quit before I got too far behind if I were you.
The lamest projection I've seen here. Congratulations.
LOL you are relying on majority opinion when it comes to the importance of your dead idiot reviewer, but not when it comes to millions and millions of Americans who have invested billions in their privately owned guns.
You have a low IQ, that's really what your problem is.
Respected by "the right people". Siskel was the better of the two.
Funny how all right wingers automatically say that.
If people disagree with you they're automatically right wingers? Explains a lot about your ability to analyze and apply subjective thinking skills.
No. - There's much more that goes into it than simple disagreement. It's clear you're the one with limited thinking skills.
You're starting to sound like a bot.
Bye Bot.
Try tossing the kitchen sink. Nothing else works for you.
LOL I have to admit i sympathize with anyone who realizes that really nothing works with you. You really are an uncontested moron.
His wisdom and powers of observation naturally spread to other subjects.
His research in black body radiation was truly groundbreaking.
Fucking idiot.
When you can't respond to points, make lame insults.
You have no points, dipshit. Can't expect folks with brains to respond to you. Quoting movie critics when it comes to guns. I bet you dumbfuck believe that suppressors really make the thing sound like some muffled laser gun huh? 😀
[Sigh] Right wingers will never understand that though Ebert was considered a great thinker, the power of the words in the quote I presented is self-contained, not relying on Ebert's reputation, like any great observation.
Of course, gun nuts automatically reject that wisdom.
Yea, youre embarrassing yourself by labeling that historically oblivious and almost partisan drivel as “wisdom” to begin with. And then you treat as if there were any legal consequences to draw from it.
Legal scholars all across the world and millions of gun owners in the US are laughing at you right now.
Lame whistling in the dark.
Yeah, there's nothing that can make the light go on for you. Will remain in the dark. Lol you're such an idiot
When you can't make a point, make a false equivocation.
That never happened, of course. -- Right wingers just make stuff up and see what might stick to the wall. Pathetic.
so you're a right winger? LOL you lost
That never happened, of course.
You mean Ebert DID do research in black body radiation? You know, because his knowledge of film was so broad and all.
Your baseing you enter belief in gun control on the words of a guy who loved the happening and phantom menace, and also thought die hard was one of the worst movies ever
No. I'm basing my belief in gun control on the experience of New Zealand and Australia who, when they each had mass shootings about 30 years ago, took the wise step of banning assault style rifles and semi-automatic weapons. - That stopped the problem and is what we should do.
Ebert was addressing the problem at a deeper level. I suggest you watch the movie he was reviewing, "Men With Guns."
And you were proven wrong about this above when you claimed this. So you're basing your analysis on false information. That explains a lot. Also, I'm pretty convinced you don't even know what semi-automatic means.
Wrong on all counts again. Where do you imagine you "proved me wrong?" - It must be more Q-anon fantasy.
Its obvious to us that you have no clue about guns. Tough luck for you, idiot.
When you can't respond to points, make lame insults.
Yeah, and if your "debater" doesn't have any points, ignore their pseudo-debates and insult them instead like they deserve.
I seriously doubt Roger Ebert feared the police, the quintessential example of a person who feels a need to carry a gun around all day. How reasonable or unreasonable it is for a person to feel a need to have a gun to leave the house depends enormously on where they live, where they need to go, and what they need to do during the day. And even for those for whom it seems unreasonable, to ascribe a single uniform psychological motive for such, as Ebert is doing here, is sophomoric, treating people as 2-dimensional movie characters. That some opponents of gun control do the same has no bearing, assertions otherwise are merely tu quoque fallacies. Just because one's opponents are hypocrites doesn't mean they are wrong.
Ebert was a fine movie critic. But that hardly makes him an expert on whatever topic he put pen to paper on. I wonder how many people quoting him on this also agree that video games can never be art, and that is a topic that is at least related to film criticism. To venture into areas unrelated to film criticism such as your quote, how many agree with him that abortion should only be allowed in cases where continued pregnancy carried severe risk of physical harm to the mother? I mean, I don't agree with him about video games, abortion, or about everyone who feels a need to carry a gun outside the house. But what could I possibly know, I'm not a famous film critic.
Like most Republicans, you can't refute the quote I gave, so you attack the messenger. In the real world, most people don't carry guns, no matter where they live. I know that's hard for gun nuts to comprehend, but give it a try.
The particulars of Ebert's life don't really matter. All the truth and power is contained in the words of the quote.
There is no “refuting” this quote because it didn’t even present a fact, just some subjective, historically oblivious opinion of a guy whose opinions were by far not agreed upon measuring by the success of the movies he negatively reviewed.
Look up “refute” (in gods name). You’re embarrassing.
I'll summarize the quote for the comprehension challenged. - If you have to have a gun to walk around in the world, you're a coward, and present a mortal threat to those around you.
And that is your historically challenged opinion and not a fact. Therefore refutation cannot be performed.
Try again, bot. By the way, have I already told you that you totally and completely lost the culture war on gun control and that gun owners literally DOMINATE by any relevant metric? 😀
So you believe self-preservation is an unnecessary instinct that harms others and should be quelled? Remind me not to pick you for my evolutionary success team.
So many cops will be sad. Take away their guns and what will they kill dogs with? They have so many dogs to fear!
Most police don't need guns in countries with sufficient gun control. They have special armed squads that can be dispatched if a rare gunfight breaks out. - This also makes the world much safer.
LMAO, sure. You gotta be the most naive person I have seen, you beat Joe Friedbrain at this point.
Oh! Look!
Appeal to movie critic "authority"!
3rd grade?
I'll think about this being a serious attempt at reducing gun violence if the final bill contains no exemption for law enforcement.
Wow. - So you feel you need to carry high-powered weapons to defend yourself from the police? -- Paranoia (or criminality) strikes deep.
He has a point
https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1552271170816200704
Scott Adams
@ScottAdamsSays
Am I supposed to feel as if the President of the United States is my personal enemy?
Because I do.
Every time Biden says "insurrection" I imagine people who look a lot like me being imprisoned by people who have been duped by Biden's gaslighting.
There is a line.
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Nonsense. The vast majority of the mass shootings have been carried out by right wing, white supremacists. -- Your fear is like that of slave owners who fear the deserved rebellion of the people they have persecuted and exploited.
Yeah, like Seung-Hui Cho, who killed 32 and wounded 17 more. White supremacist for sure.
Asshole.
Whoops. You ignore I said "the vast majority." - No cherry picking allowed.
Or the shooters for the University of Iowa shootings, or the Fort Hood shootings, or Pulse nightclub shootings, or the Trang Dai Massacre shootings... and those are just 4 examples that leap to mind (I'm not listing shooter names as I do not wish to make their names any better known and there is clear reason to think such notoriety is part of the appeal of such mass murders). And that doesn't even get into white shooters where their motivations are unclear or at least not obviously related to right wing politics or white supremacy (again, only listing ones that leap to mind), such as the Café Racer shootings, Aurora theater shootings, Sandy Hook Elementary School shootings, 2017 Las Vegas shootings, Parkland Florida shootings, and for that matter the Uvalde shootings. None of these are right wing or white supremacy related without torturing the meanings of these terms.
And what does "vast majority" mean? 90%, 75%, 50.1%? And this puts aside issues surrounding formal operational definitions of 'right wing' and 'white supremacy'. I suspect that you do not actually have any data to back up your contention and are just going from some recent shootings where there are clear right wing and/or white supremacist motives (i.e El Paso and Charleston church shootings leaping to mind) and extending this to a "vast majority" because you want it to be so.
But let's play devils advocate and assume for a moment you are right, that right wing white supremacists are responsible for the "vast majority" of mass shootings. Your preferred way to address these shootings by a distinct subgroup of people (who if one adds in the criteria that almost all mass shooters are male, makes them a minority no matter how broad the right wing and white supremacist net is cast), is to take away the ability of EVERYONE to buy, if not continue to own semi-automatic weapons, currently the most popular firerms in the United States. Really? Seems a rather over broad and heavy handed approach, hardly one tailored to address the problem given your supposition about motive. How is such a broad prohibition justified given a narrow range of people using these weapons for mass shootings? And this doesn't even get into the difficulty and costs/harms of actually enforcing a prohibition on ownership of semi-automatic firearms in the U.S. with any plan where step 1 isn't "invent a time machine."
I have no doubt it seems like a "broad and heavy handed approach" to gun lovers. Fortunately, most Americans aren't gun lovers, they're people lovers, especially all the family and friends of thousands of innocent citizens killed by the easy access to weapons of war.
You feign ignorance by not acknowledging that massive proliferation of guns is the problem. The more guns in circulation, the more gun thefts happen, and the more unstable people will get hold of them, by purchase, theft, borrowing, whatever.
New Zealand, Australia and other countries stopped their problem of mass shootings 30 years ago by banning assault style rifles and semi-automatic weapons. We can do the same and desperately need to do so.
"Fortunately, most Americans aren't gun lovers"
Millions, millions, millions... 44 million AR15s alone and there is nothing you can do about it but seethe and cry and stomp irrelevantly in defeat, loser. 😀
Just keep thinking that.
Australians are paying the price for being disarmed. It's delicious. They didn't have many guns to begin with either. They don't have the American spirit.
What "price" do you imagine Australians paid, other than being free of mass shootings for 30 years? --- We could do with a lot less of the insane spirit of violence.
Yeah, okay, if you expand the meaning of both terms to the point where they are entirely meaningless.
Huh. Which "both terms?" As it sits, it's your post that is meaningless.
Right wing and white supremacists to apply to mass shooters. Fucking reading comprehension is also apparently a skill you lack. And you try to insult my intelligence. Hilarious. Go back to your bubble where people actually think you are intelligent, because so far you've demonstrated no ability to apply critical thinking skills here.
I have employed far more than two terms, of course. Your desperate attempt to discredit me with insults reveals much.
Why do you suppose both the FBI and Homeland Security have designated white supremacist terrorists as the biggest domestic security threat?
Nobody is desperate here except for you, clinger. Just let it go, you will not take my property away, or that of 150 million americans for that matter. You lost, clinger.
I won't, but the country will. - Try to satisfy your violent streak with single shot guns. What a coward.
"Mass shootings" are defined as more than four people shot.
The vast majority of those happen in places like Chicago, Baltimore, D.C., New York, by definitely non-whites, and not arguing for white supremacy.
Oh, and almost all of them are with hand guns, not semi-auto rifles.
That's an interesting definition, but most people see the difference. Four victims or less is usually not a random shooting. It's the end result of escalating conflict between people that know each other, or the victims of a thief or other criminal armed with a gun.
The real terror comes in the shootings of larger groups that are clearly random, and thus, could happen to anyone, for no reason at all.
The majority of shootings is just gang on gang violence anyways. Criminals know what they sign up for. There goes another one of your non-points. You are being shattered here without a safe space, and it must hurt a lot. Delicious.
Inter-gang violence, personal arguments, shootings during robbery and other crimes are not at issue, of course. - We're talking about the monstrous, insane mass shootings of completely innocent people. The majority of those were carried out by right wing white supremacists. -- Try to keep up.
Your fear is like that of slave owners
You mean Democrats?
Fucking Pavlov's dog over here.
You people could have black guys leashed to your wrist and you'd still be insisting Democrats are the real racists because someone told you something they read in a middle school history book.
Uh huh. Which party was formed in opposition to slavery?
And not all Democrats are racists. Only the progressive ones.
Such desperation! - You deny Republicans have currently declared war on Blacks and other minorities and try to hide it by going back to Lincoln, who is turning over in his grave that bigots like you try to claim him.
Yeah, we do, because nothing of the sort actually had occurred fuckhead. Only fucking morons believe that bullshit propaganda. Let me guess, you're one of those proggies with a white savior complex, aren't you? Believe you can save the BIPOC? And don't realize how racist that shit really is. We had a word on the Rez for fuckers like you, while I was growing up and it wasn't complimentary.
You are full of false assumptions, but it's not worth giving out personal information to counter. It's clear from the foregoing discussion you have zero insight into others.
For someone thinking "independently", you sound a lot like MSNBC I have to say. "False assumption" really is your middle name, isn't it?
Thanks for that non-comment. I rarely watch any of the corporate media, since they all push a corporate agenda - especially Fox.
Why do 90% of black people vote for Democrats?
Explain it without saying something fucking racist, if you can.
LBJ explained it, quite succinctly.
Yes, he was a LieCheatSteal party member.
Why are black people massively overrepresented in the violent crime statistics according to the FBI? Just because a sub-population has a certain attribute, that doesn't mean it's a good thing.
Black people probably vote democrat because they think it's gonna help them somehow. But Germans voting for Hitler also thought he was gonna help them somehow.
What was your point again?
Perhaps it's because they have been relegated to the worst neighborhoods, where violence is common, and because of the massive racism in this country that has made Blacks constant targets, to the point of lynching and police killings of unarmed Blacks.
Yeah, neighborhoods are violent on their own. And 50 years of equal rights and partially preferred treatment (Affirmative action which was even voted out in California) certainly haven't enabled them to change a thing, huh?
Jesus Christ, you are so insanely stupid, did you receive training to get there? 😀
I hope the commenters aim with their guns is as bad as it is here.
When you ignore a person's points that you're responding to, it's like admitting you lost the argument.
lol - Yeah. They insist on being treated like angels as they attend their Klan meetings.
Autonomous Zones in Seattle. Riots all over the country. Political vandalism. Cancelling. Laws dictating gender pronoun use in Canada. Murder during BLM protests. But the left insist on being treated like angels as they attend their riots.
Now you attempt to re-write history. Research showed 93 percent of all BLM protesters were peaceful. The other 7 percent were thieves, vandals and right wing operatives breaking lots of glass and starting fires, taking advantage of the distraction to blow things up for the TV cameras. Add the presence of crazed predators itching to kill people like Lee Rittenhouse.
Contrast that with the REAL, deadly riot that was the Jan 6 insurrection, that did much more than kill people. The treasonous attack on the heart of our democracy in its most precious and crucial moment was the most heinous crime and threat to America since the Civil War.
Ok, now you definitely revealed yourself to be a paid operative for a narrative. And it's rare when I say that, I normally give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're just dumb.
The only person killed on Jan 6 was one of the protesters. Again, AUTONOMOUS ZONES in Seattle, riots by BLM and antifa (and people saw this when their neighborhoods got cardboarded). The nutjob from California who wanted to assassinate Kavanaugh but then decided otherwise when he saw his security? (yes, guns work, not being a soft target works).
Kyle Rittenhouse defended a premise against violent rioters and pedophiles.
You will continue to lose in politics, the courts and the public mind. I will think about vermin like you every time things shift in favor of the people again. And the way things change will haunt you, I'm sure.
Oh, brother. Kyle Rittenhouse was a demented man-baby who should never have been allowed a weapon. When he finally got a hold of one, he was heard to say, "I can't wait to shoot someone."
He went to a BLM protest to hunt people to shoot. He only got off because he somehow got the most crazed, right-wing, dishonest judge imaginable. That turd of a judge obstructed the prosecution at every opportunity.
Rittenhouse delivered a great precedent to consolidate our 2nd Amendment rights. He is a free man and on his way to getting rich with activism, interviews, books etc. before hitting 25 years of age.
Kyle Rittenhouse is actually becoming a huge winner after prosecutors tried to steal his childhood.
Rittenhouse killed leftist rioters, violent offenders and pedophiles in self-defense. Good riddance.
Cope, seethe, continue to lose. 😀
@5.56 July.28.2022 at 6:48 pm
Interesting there is no reply button after your post.
Rittenhouse is a stone, cold, racist killer. - He was the first person to shoot someone. He was the attacker. The others were trying to subdue the creep who had just killed someone
And who the hell is "Lee" Rittenhouse? Are you even from the US? The timestamps of your posts are strange.
Lee Ritenour, the famous jazz musician, popped into my mind. Rittenhouse was nothing special so did not warrant much place in my memory. Sorry I'm a human being and not a computer.
Personal details don't matter. Only the strength of the arguments.
Well, strength of the arguments doesn't seem to work in your favor LOL 😀
Of course it does. The inability of anyone to refute the hundred or so points I have made is clear evidence. -- Everyone here is whistling in the dark.
The klan and neo-nazis are politically socialist.
There goes that classic Republican projection. - Pathetic.
He isn't a Republican. Nor are most of the posters here, moron. This isn't a Republican site. Some vote Republican, but more of us vote LP. You don't even fucking know what site you're on. Fucking hilarious. Another drive by proggie, come here to school us, who doesn't even have basic knowledge and can't defend his talking points when they're called out for the falsehoods they are. I'm betting he believes he is winning too. Because they always do. See Joe Friday who claims to always win the arguments. So much so that he barely posts anymore.
Libertarians are little different from Republicans, since both have the central belief in unfettered capitalism. It is unfettered capitalism that has created our most massive, existential problems, suffering and threat to all human life.
It should be embarrassing to be this stupid but I know you're incapable of being embarrassed. People believe in capitalism not because it's perfect but because it is the best possible condition for humans to flourish. Fuck off to Cuba or North Korea and suck a dictator off if you hate it so much.
Do you somehow imagine you refuted my points? - If so, you're in sorry condition. The corrupt, humanity killing capitalism is best represented by the fossil fuel industry that has known for decades they are killing the planet, but simply don't care.
That in no way can be called the "best" of anything. It's insane, slow murder/suicide.
Are you a miserable misek sock puppet? Insists on "refute, refute, refute", when there is nothing to refute because there are no points. Yeah, kind of fitting.
Denial is a river coming out of your backside.
Most people aren't Republicans here, but I would sure choose a Republican over a Democrat any Planck time of the day. It's fucks like you who make me say this. It's literally trigger pulling in self-defense.
When you can't respond to points, make lame insults.
“ There goes that classic Republican projection. - Pathetic.”
This doesn’t contain a point to respond to. Like all your other posts. You need to start accepting that the majority of commenters here are significantly smarter and better informed than you and all you will get is being shit on for your fallacies. Look for a place where people aren’t this ahead of you, please. It’s turning into an ethics question at this point.
This guy is going to give up after a day or two of constantly being the dumbest non-sarc in the room.
Of course it has points. - Your insults don't amount to a hill of beans and only indicate you have zero real knowledge and don't know how to debate. - Look up "projection" to actually learn something useful.
I know what projection is, it is your preferred mode of "debate", very obviously. You're intellectually unarmed, in addition to having no guns. I mean, look at you, you are nothing.
You project about projection! -- Classic. 8^)
What is the weather like on your planet?
Bringing up slave owners. It's fucking pathetic. You're hitting all the most used tropes of progressive talking points and still failing to make anything close to a cognitive argument. You do realize all gun controls laws were originally enacted for one purpose, to keep blacks and other minorities from owning guns, and that gun control laws are the most disparately applied laws, even worse than drug laws, in the country? No you don't. I would personally like to see more minority gun owners, not less. I don't care who practices their 2A rights, because they apply to every citizen. Also, just FYI, the first time the militia clause was argued as a means to justify gun control, was in Arkansas in 1849, in a law passed to keep free blacks, Amerindians and immigrants from buying guns, since they couldn't serve in the militia. The racism of gun control goes back decades. The 1968 gun control law was passed on fears of blacks owning guns. Saturday night special laws, ditto. The NFA, blacks and Italians were the target of those laws. You can't find a single gun control law that doesn't have racists roots. It's always funny when a gun grabber calls racism, because nothing is more racists since the passing of the 13A then gun control. It is the one set of rules left over from Jim Crow that continues to this day, and surprise, the party of Him Crow is the ones pushing it again. There is whole books dedicated to the racist history of gun control, I suggest you read them. Sorry, they don't have pictures, and you'll have to get someone to sound out and explain to you the polysyllabic words.
Wrong on all points. - Primarily, the second amendment only refers to a well-regulated militia. We now have the best military on earth and no longer need any amateurs to defend the country.
I have no doubt that all laws have been used agains Blacks and other minorities to their maximum by the mostly racist police force.
But there's no denying that New Zealand, Australia and other countries solved their mass shooting problem by banning assault style rifles and semi-automatic weapons.
Everything I've read in these comments simply confirms the premise that gun lovers are cowards. You somehow imagine that if you give up your rapid fire guns, you won't be able to defend yourself with just single shot guns. -- That's pretty pathetic, especially considering the stopping power of shot guns.
Again the well-regulated part has been debunked everywhere. It just meant running smoothly, and the 2A also has a clear clause referring to the right of the "people" and all arms in general. You lost.
Australia solved their problem, but with the insane extend of their lockdowns, they lost all credibility as a free country anyways and their covid camps show that.
The president of Ukraine could have used a 2nd Amendment. Australians could use one too. Maaan, the US is fucking great.
And that coward argument is what a little kid would say, or some faggot teen liberal arts student.
Gun owners DOMINATE. It's amazing. 😀
"Running smoothly" was written into the Bill of Rights! --- LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No. The coward designation fits perfectly. Most people are not cowards and don't feel they have to "protect" themselves by carrying guns and building personal arsenals in their homes. -- Such craven, abject cowardice.
The US has no mass shooting problem, compare the number of gun deaths to the hundreds of millions of legal gun owners, and Justice Thomas correctly stated that the overwhelming majority of gun owners use their guns lawfully.
Cars are being used for crimes such as running people, drug trafficking, kidnapping and also there's plenty drunk drivers.
These use cases are actually ABusing the tool that is a car. You wouldn't ban cars because of that.
Same with guns. The most prevalent use cases in 99.99999% of all situations are fine and lawful. ARs are the MOST POPULAR platform in the US. That is why you have lost the culture war and will continue to be irrelevant.
You keep saying I'm wrong, that I provide no information but you haven't yet shown how I'm wrong on anything, nor provided any information just empty talking points. The history of Him Crow and Gun control is well documented. As is the militia clause argument and the falsehood of it. There are books written on it, peer reviewed historical papers on both subjects. There is the writings of the person who wrote the 2A, and those who voted for it, which contradicts your opinion. These are all historical facts. You haven't provided any information. You made a statistically impossible to prove statement, that these bans stopped mass shootings in Australia and New Zealand. But the fact is that mass shootings were so rare (less than one in a decade event) in these countries before the ban went into place that no conclusion can be drawn as to how well the worked. Additionally, both governments admit that people aren't complying with the laws, and that the number of semi-automatic weapons hasn't dropped that dramatically, ergo, people still own these guns, so any decrease in mass shootings can't be linked to these guns being taken away, because that hasn't happened. Additionally, New Zealand only passed their law a couple years ago. Given the once in a decade mass shooting rate, it's really stupid to say they've worked since the law isn't even a decade old. The mass shooting that led to Australia's law was the first in a decade, so your trying to make the case on a sample size of n=1. This is statistically impossible. The sample size is, by any definition of statistics, to small to draw a conclusion. If you don't believe me, try running a chi-square ot student T-test with n=1 on any statistics program, I recommend SAS, and try to run it with n=1. You can't. It doesn't work. There is no power. You can't do it. Your point is moot since you can't prove it. Instead you insist on it being correct because it suits you, not because the data supports that assumption. It is like saying we'll outlaw meteorites and since no meteorites strike America, the law obviously worked.
Dunno if you were here when a demented woman posted as "White Indian", (supposedly) promoting the advantages of a nomadic existence over what history plainly shows as the preferred sedentary alternative.
She would show up, reply to a rational refutation of her bullshit with something along the lines of "You're wrong; I win!" and leave the argument.
Someone here will remember her name, but this slimy shitpile is strongly reminiscent.
She was the first to suggest that engaging lefty shits like this is a waste of time; like Joe Asshole; JT needs nothing more than to be told to fuck off and die.
If you think it's intolerable when Democrats legitimately win elections, imagine how I feel when Republicans illegitimately win them.
Yeah. Can you imagine what right wingers would do if Democrats actually did steal an election as they did to Al Gore and John Kerry?
Al Gore and John Kerry. Fucking hilarious. Yeah, you're a deep thinker. Fuck.
You are either in deep denial or just extremely unaware of reality.
Wow, didn't expect that to devolve so quickly into support for the contention that political partisans of the right and left are remarkably alike in their style of thought. Only on similar bizarro worlds did John Kerry or Donald Trump have elections 'stolen' from them. In our reality, they both just lost the election.
Republicans stole the 2004 election through massive voter suppression and purges, and every dirty trick imaginable.
From Wikipedia:
>>>"In Nevada and Oregon, a company hired by the Republican National Committee solicited voter registration forms, but was accused of filing only the Republicans' forms and shredding those completed by Democrats."
The cheating was so bold, that John Pappageorge, a Republican state legislator in Michigan, said in summer 2004, "If we do not suppress the Detroit vote, we're going to have a tough time in this election."
Funny you didn't mention the worst theft which took place in 2000. It all hinged on the recount in Florida, which the complicit Supreme Court halted, declaring Bush the winner. When the re-count was actually completed, it was determined that Gore had actually won. But, too late, for some reason then.
Of course, Trump's claims of a stolen election were completely false, like everything the compulsive liar says. 50 courts around the country confirmed there was zero evidence to back the frivolous claim.
OH! OH! First the shitpile gives us a movie critic and now we get WIKI!
How can anyone refute THAT?!
Eat shit and die, asshole.
Sorry the facts upset you so much. Perhaps you could try being a better person and learn to get along with all races. You'd be amazed at the great friendships you are missing.
Arguing with anonymous strangers on the internet is a losers game. They turn out to be, or are equivalent to, a self righteous 16 year old with infinite amounts of time. Neil Stephenson, Cryptocomican.
IOW, don’t feed the trolls. We have a mute button for bots and fifty centres, use it.
No, these rifles are not "the weapon of choice in most mass murders."
Christopher Walken is the weapon of choice.
So the Legislative Branch is in open rebellion with the Judicial Branch?
Resist!
"the weapons of choice for murderers"
It's just advertising these tools to murders. Basically it's nothing more than "only an idiot mass murder would choose any other weapon - what are you? Some kind of stupid moron?"
It seems a little irresponsible to advertise AR's this way but I acknowledge their right to free speech. I sure hope they don't get used in an illegal way or perhaps they might run afoul of some of the new laws related to advertising guns to minors and nut jobs.
Guns don't kill people, advertising kills people.
Actually, according to something I found on Reuters, surprisingly, it's actually people, not guns, who kill people. To the inquiring sociopath: People refers to humans and therefore doesn't refer to objects.
But guns make killing people so easy. Any racist coward can simply pull a trigger and end someone's life. - We must remove that easy path.
We ban so-called assault rifles because those are what's used to slaughter whole classrooms of children periodically. We'll come after the less spectacular weapons later, once we get the idea in people's heads.
I'll imply a causal relationship: you can't shoot anyone if you don't have a gun. We regulate laundry detergent more than tools designed specifically to kill people.
I know you can't make heads or tails of this extremely simple logic, because doing so would be acknowledging that you have the blood of countless children on your hands. Well I hate to break it to you, but it turns out that shilling for arms dealers is just as bad as it sounds.
"We'll come after the less spectacular weapons later, once we get the idea in people's heads."
At least this part is honest.
Be nice and we'll let you keep single shot rifles and handguns.
Try and take them. BTW, my user name is not made up, it's a titled I earned, so you're welcome to try.
Don't worry. It will happen. All it takes is the right set of laws, as many other countries have found out. - I doubt the police and the military will have much trouble enforcing them.
Are the police and military pro-gun or anti-gun? What makes you think they will want to enforce your bullshit?
There's this thing called the law, that police are sworn to uphold. -- What makes you think police will trash their jobs and honor to join a doomed rebellion?
The leftist rebellion would be doomed.
Recently, an entire police department in NC resigned because they got woke leadership: https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/southeast/north-carolina-towns-entire-police-department-resigns/
Expect more of that from Americans with a spine and principles.
Lol You are so lost 😀
lol - There's no such thing as a "leftist" rebellion. Not unless the fascists take over. - All the Left is is representing the working class, i.e. the majority of Americans.
So it's ok when government kills millions. That is in no way mass murder.
Who said that's okay? - Which form of killing are you referring to?
LMFAO You are so fucking lost, you think the military will have trouble enforcing taking away the property of more than 150 million armed Americans while Putin struggles to take over Ukraine after their president armed the population last minute? 😀
LMAO you have lost the culture war.
There won't be 150 million fighting against the law, of course. Most people will comply and sell back their guns. - The few crazies that remain will be handled.
LMAO it only takes 10 % of that to be a huge problem for fascists like you.
Again, loser, check the assault weapons ban compliance rate in the deepest blue states like NY. It's below 20% I think.
The most peaceful outcome for you would be that people just ignore it and law enforcement will have no way to enforce even a fraction of it, then the next elections will get rid of the party that instated the ban for good.
I'm telling ya, most people who are asking for bans like that are pansies like you and therefore nothing would be enforced, even in the case of political suicide of the party who signs this into law. Check out where you idiots are going already with HR1808, whose floor vote has been suspended, and we are talking about a House that's pretty blue right now. And even now, it's not happening.
Politicians are smarter than you, sheep. They don't WANT this ban to happen, you fucking idiot. They KNOW it is doomed. They are just signaling to YOU, sheep.
No. It's clear the pansies are the sad sacks who can't face the world without a gun in their pocket. -- What miserable, cowardly creatures.
The entire armed forces of the US is around 2.5 million, that includes uniformed police. The NRA alone has a membership of around 10 million. There is 150 million armed Americans, so if ten percent resisted it would outnumber the military by six to one. Also, how much of the military would actually obey those orders. I've served, I doubt you have, and I can guarantee it's going to be less than 50% because we swear an oath to the Constitution, and your ordering them to attack their friends and family, additionally half of the military is reserve or guard, which means they live with us, and often are part of those that own guns and would tell you to go fuck yourself. So now your vaunted military to enforce these laws (BTW the US military is barred from enforcing laws within the US borders by law since 1878) that will actually be willing to take away 2A rights, break 4A rights, how else do you know who owns guns, and is willing to break long standing federal law, your looking at a force of around 600,000 to police 150 million gun owners. How do you think that would work?
One good missile is worth a million guns, and no life is risked in launching it. - You're delusional if you think anywhere near the total of all American gun owners would join your crackpot rebellion. Most of those people are like me who own one or two regular rifles or pistols. Clearly, you don't speak for us.
The military has recognized the problem of white supremacists in their ranks and are taking steps to eliminate it. - From Military Times:
>>>"In the wake of reports that current and former service members are under investigation for their participation in the Jan. 6 protest and subsequent attack on the Capitol, the Pentagon is making an effort to reinforce its policies on extremism..."
"“We clearly recognize the threat from domestic extremists, particularly those who espouse white supremacist or white nationalist ideologies,” the official said. “We are actively involved in always trying to improve our understanding of where the threat is coming from as a means of understanding and taking action.”
"The official pointed to studies on domestic terrorism, which have found that “between 2001 and today right-wing extremists are responsible for more deaths in this country than any other extremist group,” the official said..."
"The FBI regularly updates the services and DoD when it becomes aware of currently serving and former troops who pop up in their domestic extremism research, the official said, though he could not share statistics..."
“There were cases of current and former military that were made public [during the BLM movement],” he said, including an active-duty airman accused of shooting and killing a federal law enforcement agent on behalf of the Boogaloo Boys, an antigovernment group that has been implicated in domestic terror..."
You don't think that more than 50% of the military will NOT support attacking their own people which they vowed to defend?
LMAO you lost. Just accept it.
Such fantasies. -- The military will do as they are commanded. That's what makes them the U.S. military. - You must be thinking of some banana republic somewhere.
You know nobody in the military and are a libtard that is divorced from reality. They swore to defend the Flag in their oath. The sovereign are the people. Most of them know that.
It's fun taking you apart like that. 😀 Keep em coming, loser.
I see why all the Quack-anon people are so addicted to their fantasies. They just can't deal with reality or the facts. Both the FBI and Homeland Security have designated white supremacist terrorists as the biggest domestic threat.
"Such fantasies", spoken like a truly arrogant little democrat bitch from above, huh? 😀 Who has fantasies of seizing TRILLIONS of private property from their citizens, while all across the country even local politicians can't disarm a thing.
The policies and overreach you propose are so insanely outlandish that even CA and NY have nothing remotely this restrictive, but I am the one with "fantasies", loser? 😀
Such desperate crying. My, my. -- The majority of Americans are already demanding strict gun control, especially after these latest massacres in Buffalo and Uvalde.
Just get used to having single shot guns. That's more than enough killing power for civilians, especially considering the stopping power of shot guns.
No, what you'll do is foment a rebellion, and it will be the gun owners who come out ahead.
So, keep it up.
More delusions of grandeur. - So give me a brief inventory report of how many tanks, missiles, jets, drones, trained soldiers, bombs and secret weapons you have.
As many as the Taliban.
What a silly non-answer.
Dumb ass. 4th and 5th generation asymmetry doesn't mean a thing to you, does it?
You merely show yourself to be an ignorant troll.
It clearly means way too much to you. - Watch out for those Jewish space lasers!
Amen!
Figured so. You don't want to persuade you want to dictate and rule. It's in the makeup of any proggie. You probably also think free speech is fascism, that shrinking the government and making the legislature pass laws rather than the executive branch, unelected officials at that, is fascist and a threat to democracy. I doubt you have an original thought in your head. It's all empty talking points.
More right wing projection. It's you folks that attacked the Capitol Building in the most sacred moment of our democracy. - That makes you the fascists, of course.
So point proven: "I doubt you have an original thought in your head. It's all empty talking points."
lol - Desperate right wingers call the attempted coup on our country and precious electoral process "talking points." - So pathetic.
Wait, the reading of already-known elector totals is now 'the most sacred moment of our democracy?'
Holy shit you guys are insane.
The electoral process was not yet complete, and the Trump-directed mob did everything they could to stop it. -- Your denial is typical.
Fuck off and die, slaver.
You should deeply consider your inability to respond. - All you folks need to join ARLA. - Assault Rifle Lovers Anonymous
A2, asshole.
Fuck off and die.
You do realize that your admission is precisely why gun control proponents have zero credibility when they claim to only be interested in 'gun safety," claim to support the 2nd amendment, or insist that gun owners are literally paranoid to think anyone is trying to take their guns away. The later of these being the very definition of gaslighting. They all come across as lies because, as you admit, they are. The actual goal is to seize firearms to create a disarmed public, ensuring that only criminals, the state, and the corporations that control the state have access to firearms (firearms having long been one area where corporations have had far more rights than actual people). And that you have no problem being deceptive about your goal, even to the point of abuse, so long as you get what you want.
Of course at least it explains why you would appear to have come to the bizarre conclusion that if people who want to kill kids in a classroom couldn't get a gun with a barrel shroud, they would just give up on the shooting and do nothing. You know that the laws you are pushing under the claim to protect kids from school shootings do no such thing. It's all just a ruse. Justified by the assumption that at some indefinite point in the future where only the criminal and the powerful have guns, school shootings will be impossible. All the while doing yiour best to induce anxiety and a sense of inevitable hopelessness in kids and parents over an event, that while too common, is still about as likely each year as their chances of being killed by lightning strike.
What's worse is that we have learned a fair amount about what is going on in the heads of most school shooters, at least teens and young adults and have a good idea how to prevent these shootings. But neither Republican nor Democratic party is all that interested in using this information, which suggests targeted anti-suicide measures are likely to be effective. Both would rather continue to use guns as wedge issues to rally their core supporters to culture war.
So cut the nonsense about blood on hands, because continuing to focus on banning certain firearm models as the way to stop school shootings is just delaying taking steps that might actually reduce their incidence. And it turns out that cynically using school kids deaths to further a culture war agenda to disarm the public by deception and lies, while avoiding doing things that might actually decrease school shooting deaths is as bad as it sounds.
A nonsensical word salad. - Ask any of the families of the victims of mass shootings where they stand on gun control.
Your empty construct fails with the slightest breeze. Seventy percent of Americans think enacting new gun control laws should take precedence over protecting ownership rights, according to an ABC News/Ipsos poll.
You guys shout, scream and curse a lot in a pathetic attempt to make it seem your support is significant.
There, there. It will be all right. Nobody's going to come kill you when you ONLY have single shot rifles, hand guns and shot guns to protect yourself.
"You guys shout, scream and curse a lot..."
Read A-2 asshole (who as a losing pile of this) shouts and screams a lot.
Oh, and then fuck off and die; make the world a better place.
A-2 is all about a "well-regulated militia," which we don't need any more in modern times since we have the greatest military in the world.
I see the stupid sumbitch who can't read is still here hoping someone else is as stupid as he is.
Eat shit and die, asshole.
You're a fucking idiot.
I'll imply a causal relationship: you can't shoot anyone if you don't have a gun.
So people who follow the law will lose their guns while people who don't follow the law continue to have guns? Or are you implying that a law banning guns will magically make the banned items disappear?
No. Most people are law abiding and will comply with the gun buy-back. The crazy few that don't will be dealt with.
And you rely heavily on dishonest straw man arguments. -- I haven't heard anyone saying there should be a ban on all guns.
"No. Most people are law abiding and will comply with the gun buy-back."
Laughing my fucking ass off, you have no clue about Americans. At this point I doubt you're really from the US. Again, compliance in Gulag NY is embarrassingly low, and that's NY.
It's over. Stop clinging.
The denial running through this place is as thick as frozen molasses. - You are basically at war with 70 percent of Americans. Just sick.
" I haven't heard anyone saying there should be a ban on all guns."
That's what this new "assault" weapons ban would try to do and that dishonesty is what democrats will pay dearly for.
lol. --- Paranoia strikes deep.
With the admission of Representative Jerry Nadler (Chairman of the Judiciary Committee and chief proponent of this bill) that the "the purpose of the bill is to ban weapons that are in common use in the USA today," didn't he just demonstrate that this bill is an attempt to restrict civil rights under the 2nd Amendment, as articulated by the US Supreme Court in Bruen and Heller? How does this not represent a *criminal* violation of 18 USC 241, "Conspiracy against rights?" And if this bill were to pass, would that not equally make every legislator who voted for it and any law executive officer who tried to implement it guilt of 18 USC 242, "Deprivation of rights under color of law?"
Mostly because the second amendment doesn't refer to private gun ownership outside of the context of allowing it for the purpose of raising a well-regulated militia to defend the country from external attacks.
The U.S. clearly doesn't need such a rag-tag, amateur group of "soldiers" in the modern era.
Not learning a thing, again, well-regulated militia meant smoothly running and maintained.
There's also the right of the people which shall not be infringed. And it is to defend against threats foreign and DOMESTIC.
You lost the culture war. It's incredible how much of a desperate clinger you are. Your tears are delicious. 😀
>>>"well-regulated militia meant smoothly running and maintained."
lol. - Now the Bill of Rights is addressing janitorial duties. - No. Well regulated means assuring the militia serves the country and not some racist group trying to carry out a sick purge.
"...Well regulated means assuring the militia serves the country and not some racist group trying to carry out a sick purge."
Too stupid to have an argument like shitbag here? Invent a strawman!
Fuck off and die, asshole.
With Deception and Misdirection, House Democrats Vainly Try To Make the Case for Banning 'Assault Weapons'
It's a good thing they don't do this with anything else.
Are you under the impression you made some kind of point? - I hate to burst your bubble, but no.
I see the stupid sumbitch who can't read A2 is still here.
Re: the H.R. 1808 hearings. Did anyone else hear quaint echoes of the 1954 Kefauver commission hearings on Seduction of the Innocents by Evil Demon Comic Books and Their Publishers?
I have often heard democrats making the statement that when the Constitution was written that the firearms of the day were muskets and that current semi-automatics like AR-15 style firearms are assault weapons and therefore not what the Founding Fathers were referring to. Well guess what cupcakes, muskets were the 'assault weapons' of the day when the Constitution was written. So even if they didn't specifically imagine what future weapons would be like they certainly did imagine that firearms would technically advance and change which is probably why they referred to them as "arms".
By the way, do democrats think that the Founding Fathers imagined there would be such a big problem with defining what a female was or how about "birthing person" or gender dysphoria? Doubt it.
That's a straw-man argument. You know that's a dishonest "debate" technique, right?
I have never said anything like that. Try to restrict your arguments to things that someone in the discussion is actually saying. -- It's called honesty.
The founding father were thinking of people just like the white supremacists of today when they said the militia needs to well-regulated -- meaning weeding out racist violence junkies.
Lefty shitpile attempts to deflect; fails.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
When you can't respond to points, make lame insults.
Except that adhokrudnum never referred to you at all.
He directed his comments at "Democrats," which in this discussion, is clearly me.
Hey Reason,
There is just as much correlation between increased sales of "assault" weapons and mass shootings are there is between rising CO2 levels and climate change.