Hobbes' Leviathan and Thousands of Others Were Off-Limits to Catholics
Leviathan was a challenge to the governing independence of the Holy See.

The Index Librorum Prohibitorum was a running list of books deemed heretical, blasphemous, or otherwise morally dangerous by the Roman Catholic Church. First published in the 16th century, the Index was ostensibly a response to the Reformation, but its scope went far beyond Protestant theology. More than 4,000 titles would eventually appear on the list, including such literary classics as John Milton's Paradise Lost and Victor Hugo's The Hunchback of Notre-Dame; scientific works by Nicolaus Copernicus and Charles Darwin; even The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.
Political philosophy, too, sometimes made the ignominious cut: The complete works of Thomas Hobbes were added in 1649. Besides containing explicit attacks on various teachings and practices of "the Church of Rome," his Leviathan was a challenge to the governing independence of the Holy See. By defending an absolute (civil) sovereign with power to decide even religious matters, Hobbes ran up against the Church's insistence that it alone was Christendom's spiritual authority.
The Holy See did not merely warn Catholics about doctrinally objectionable content, a service an ecclesiastical body might reasonably be expected to perform. For hundreds of years, with full force of canon law, it prohibited believers from reading or possessing works on the list, punishable by excommunication. (This is not to say the rule was always strictly enforced.)
The fact that Hobbes' works were among those banned points to the problem of such a heavy-handed approach. Today, high school students in the United States and elsewhere study Leviathan alongside John Locke's Two Treatises of Government (which was not listed on the Index, though other Locke works were). It would be difficult to understand the origins of liberal democracy without a view of the social contract theory that so influenced America's Founding Fathers. To prohibit Catholics from engaging with the intellectual history that underpins the modern social order would be a true civic loss.
Happily, Pope Paul VI discontinued the Index in 1966. The Holy See still exhorts faithful Catholics "to be on their guard against written materials that can put faith and good conduct in danger," and the Church may still "reprove" works it considers heretical. But the list and its canonical penalties are no more.
This article originally appeared in print under the headline "Leviathan."
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What high schools teach Hobbes and Locke?
Back in the 1970's mine did. Certainly as brief readings, but also definitely taught as the underpinning of American political theory.
I can't say I recall much of Hobbes, but I've been slogging through Locke's 2nd treatise as I get a chance to get my head into it. I'd very highly recommend it to all of the libertarians; you'll be amazed at how much of the introduction to the Declaration of Independence was lifted from summary statements of various sections. But, even for a good reader, it's rough going since you're dealing both with philosophy that builds on itself at the same time as you're trying to get through the archaic writing style. But give it a try!
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"the underpinning of American political theory"
lol now it's the 1619 Project and the genetics of Thomas Jefferson's (maybe) descendants.
Yeah, from my experience over the last 20 years working with recent high school graduates, I doubt any high school is teaching much beyond Winnie the Pooh and the Honey Jar.
Ackshuyally, that's spelled "Hunny" in A.A. Milne's and Disney's rendering.
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Along the lines of what Ragnarredbeard said except culturally relevant to Zoomers.
I suppose I should've targeted the Boomer audience around here with a joke about schoolchildren having greater exposure Hobbes and Calvin.
Now Calvin and Hobbes I get...both the comic strip and the Theological and Philosophical Authoritarians.
I guess the Papacy saw a little too much of itself in Hobbes.
IIRC "Mein Kampf" was not on the Index.
"In the end, the Vatican worked its critique of Mein Kampf into Mit Brennender Sorge (With Burning Concern), Pius XI’s 1937 encyclical about the challenges the church faced in Nazi Germany."
https://www.americamagazine.org/issue/517/article/secrets-behind-forbidden-books
According to the Catholic doctrine of the state, Hitler came to power fully legally, Wolf explained. So they applied St. Paul’s letter to the Romans, Chapter 13, which says all state authority comes from God and must be obeyed.
Some criticism.
Tbe German voters said it. Hitler did it. The Good Book said it was all right. The Pope and The Vatican believe The Good Book. The Pope can do no wrong in matters Ex Cathedra. The sheeple believe it. And that settles it. /sarc
Oh the horror! The Catholic church expels people who went against its dogma!
Next you’re going to tell us that it’s horribly oppressive for Republicans to expel Cheney. Of course you are.
The Catholic church expels people who went against its dogma!
*(This is not to say the rule was always strictly enforced.)*
So, if (e.g.) you were nominally a Catholic found to have finances intermingled with a group dedicated to blowing up The House of Lords and hanging The Pope *and* had a shelf full of books listed in The Index, The Church could excommunicate you for the books, even if the finances were only incidental. Those bastards!
It wasn't exactly excommunication from the church that the Inquisition dished out (mostly dishing out penances) when it had the local secular authorities deal with repeat heretics, by typically sentencing them to death or life imprisonment (look up Galileo who spent the rest of his life under house arrest for supporting Copernican heliocentrism, contrary to church teachings that man is the center of the universe).
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The Vatican isn't the same as Bushwood or Stepford. It is a State actor and exerts influence over and gives advice-and-consent to other State actors. Forbidden books doesn't just mean no Red Biddy and Cookie for you, but potentially imprisonment, torture, or death.
As for whether the GOP keeps company with Liz Cheney, that is not same and who cares?
I thought the official line in the US was to downplay Hobbes' influence on the Founding. So banning him would be no great loss, right?
What influence did Hobbes have on the Founding of the U.S., except for the roundabout way of saying: "Don't be this asshole"?
"his Leviathan was a challenge" replace "was" with "is"
America has special reason to value Hobbes. It was the intellectual basis for the dictator Cromwell's beheading of King Charles I during the English Civil War, in which quite a few supportive Americans returned to England temporarily. Hobbes's contemporary Locke converted the extreme statism in "Leviathan" to something more egalitarian, and thus provided the likes of T. Jefferson with a good basis for overturning the Church of England in Virginia, which provided so many governmental functions that society truly was still under an English papacy. It also gave him some hollow slogans to use in the Declaration of Independence... but that was nevertheless a form of progress.
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So again, Hobbes is a value because he's an asshole to avoid becoming. I don't recall reading of Jefferson lopping off heads to separate Religion and State.
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