The County Where Businesses Can Self-Identify As Parks in Order to Keep Sex Offenders Away
"There's currently no way for me to even know where that buffer zone is."

In 2020, an ordinance in Brevard County, Florida, permitted a business to certify itself as a place where children congregate—the moral equivalent of a park—thereby making it a crime for anyone on the sex offense registry to venture inside, or loiter nearby. The idea, apparently, was to make kids even safer from danger.
But, "proximity" laws prohibiting sex offenders from public places like playgrounds have not been shown to make kids any safer, says Emily Horowitz, a sociologist who researches sex offense law and policy.
At the same time, under this law, people on the registry have no way of knowing which businesses have self-certified themselves as child-gathering places. That means registrants don't know which establishments they are barred from entering, or even going near. But if they get too close, they are violating their registration requirements, which could land them in prison.
"Protecting children from harm is a goal shared by all, but this law does nothing to advance that goal," says Sandy Rozek, communications director for the National Association for Rational Sexual Offense Laws. "It is a 'feel-good' law, not a 'do-good' law."
Even before the self-certification law, Brevard registrants were required to stay at least 1,000 feet away from parks, playgrounds, schools, and daycare centers. But since the self-certification provision took effect, registrants have felt compelled to bring the matter before county commissioners and explain how it hampers their ability to live in society.
Merely attending a meeting of the county commissioners is impossible, however, as Brevard's Government Center is less than 1,000 feet from a high school, making it a crime for anyone on the registry to enter the building.
Two years ago, when the self-certifying ordinance was first proposed, friends and family members of registrants spoke on their behalf at a public meeting, asking the commission not to pass it.
Only Bryan Lober, the commission chair, voted against the law. As he noted at the time, "It's a little troubling that we can't have folks here who this is going to directly impact."
After the law passed, the Florida Justice Institute filed a lawsuit saying it infringed on the right of citizens to air their grievances. In March of 2022, the commissioners finally modified the code just enough to permit people on the registry to attend a meeting. (The lawsuit is ongoing.)
At that meeting, held this May, the registrants explained how the new law impacts their daily lives.
Vincent Rinaldi told the commissioners that he had needed to get a document notarized at his bank, but couldn't go inside because it's near a park. He is also the sole caregiver for his life partner, who is sick and in a wheelchair. While the original ordinance made everyday life trying, the newest one makes life almost impossible. "There's currently no way for me to even know where that buffer zone is," said Rinaldi at the meeting.
Rinaldi's partner testified that he "cannot bring me to medical appointments, cannot bring me to CVS, cannot bring me to my medical equipment provider, because they're all within a thousand feet of a school playground, park, or day care center." She fears that if Rinaldi ever has to take her to the hospital, he will be arrested.
Charles Violi, also a registrant—due to an arrest 22 years ago—worries that if he accidentally enters, or even goes near, an off-limits business, he will be violating the ordinance and end up in prison.
Sentences for violating registry requirements can last for years. And yet, Violi said, "There are no maps or lists of locations that tell me if I am too close to restricted areas."
The self-certification law stipulates that while the county "will attempt to ensure" that the list of no-go establishments is up to date, it nonetheless "makes no express or implied guarantee concerning the accuracy or completeness of any information or data on the registry."
One thing that does not seem to have gone into the making of this law is a look at the actual recidivism rates of those on the registry. It's among the lowest for all offenses: about 5 percent, and nearly zero more than ten years after the original offense.
That may look like the registration is working at preventing child exploitation. But in fact, it doesn't move the needle at all, according to multiple studies comparing the rates of sex offense before and after implementation of public registries.
The men testifying—two of them veterans—said they asked only to be treated like other people who had done their time and then been allowed to go about their lives. Commissioner John Tobia, sponsor of the ordinance, replied: "Excuse me? Are you saying you're the victim here?"
The contempt "was horrifying," says Horowitz. Testifying about a law that doesn't make kids safer, whose "sole purpose is to inflict endless punishment," she said, isn't self-pity. It's protected by the First Amendment.
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"There's currently no way for me to even know where that buffer zone is," said Rinaldi at the meeting.
That's the beauty of the law! If only all laws could be this vague and obscure, we could all be unknowingly committing three felonies a day!
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Asking for a friend: how do these zones actually work, even in places other than Retard I mean Brevard county? I see two possible ways that former kiddie-diddlers would legitimately be afraid of walking by the playground on their way to the post office: electronic monitoring/ankle bracelets, or being recognizable enough to the general public or even just the town cops that you wouldn’t want to risk a black-and-white driving by at the exact moment you’re walking by the playground. Otherwise who’s gonna know, and how?
is like hidden landmines ... one wrong step and boom.
You can get on the registry for public urination.
You can also get thrown into prison for simple possession of marijuana. It just accounts for about one order of magnitude less than 1% of all cases.
I have a feeling you're on the kind of drug that isn't in the legal grey area, but clearly illegal.
former kiddie-diddlers
Most people on the list are not "kiddie-diddlers". They include ALL types of "sex offenders", many of whose offenses had nothing to do with having sex.
many of whose offenses do not involve interaction with another person in any capacity, like public urination.
Or viewing online pornography.
I knew a guy who was on a registry for interaction with an underaged girl. She turned out to be younger than he thought, 15 gets you 20 sort of deal, and he had to register. After Megan's Law it appeared on a state web site, too, and follows him for life. Still don't know why he trusted me enough to reveal that, but I guess since it was public he figured I'd hear about it eventually as he was a regular client.
Fuck up when you're 19 and 30 years later you're still branded, and in this state that can be for life, regardless of how squeaky clean the rest of your record.
It's really hard to be associated with the child molester contingent and get any sympathy, though.
Here's an interesting tidbit for you: you cannot be jailed for viewing online pornography anywhere in the United States. Now, indulging your deranged, insatiable thirst for child porn, that's a different story.
There are states where citation (no jail time) offenses (like public urination) will land you on the sex offender registry.
I would love to know what's in your closet, "Calista." The ones who crow loudest have the most to hide.
That is false. When you view an image on line, you are technically "downloading" it, because it creates a temporary internet file on your drive. Most people have no idea how to access those files, but, nevertheless, if forensic examination reveals such files on your drive, then you have committed the crime of "possession" of illegal pornography. It might not be standard practice to jail people for that, but you can still end up on an offender list. As others have pointed out, you don't have to commit a jailable offense to be put on the lists.
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All it takes is someone taking a picture of you too near a place, posting it on Facebook, and you being identified by someone.
Then the cops come get you.
Perhaps if you're a middle aged couple in Alaska and someone who vaguely looks like you is spotted on a surveillance camera at the capitol on January 6th 2021 and a SWAT team shows up in the middle of the night to kick your down in and shove automatic weapons in your face to search your house for Nancy Pelosi's non-existence laptop. If you're a kiddie fucker nobody will do anything to you, because all of the most powerful people on society are kiddie fuckers.
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Chem Jeff want to know if child molesters can also identify as 8 yearolds
Would they then re-offend every time they masturbated?
I self-identify as an amusement park.
Overpriced and crowded, with anthropomorphized cartoon animals?
Man, now I want to identify as an amusement park, too!
Just call yourself Congress.
Radio host in these parts used to call it Disneyland on the Potomac.
Three branches of government. Three rings under a big top circus. Coincidence?
Someone caught pissing in a bush at night can end up on the registry? Or a 17 y.o. having consensual sex with his 17 y.o. girlfriend? So, ruin their life with cruel and unusual punishment.
And I'll bet all or some of those commissioners consider themselves to be Christians.
I'll bet some of them have done things that would put them on the registry if they got caught.
Sometimes there's other issues involved.
In the late 90's there were rumors about homosexual men meeting and having sex in the restrooms of a State Park. As a result the Park closes the restrooms. A bit later the rumor resurfaces except now they are having sex on the Park's trails. The State Police form a task force to stake out the trails. They don't find anyone having sex, but, they issue several citations for people urinating in the woods. A few years later the County Sex Offender Registry is up for refunding. The people running it are afraid of losing their jobs because it doesn't have anywhere near the number of people on it that they said it would to get their initial funding. One of the County Prosecutors gets the bright idea of adding people charged with "indecent exposure" and "public urination". This idea goes to a Judge who is against it at first, until the Prosecutor brings up that many of the "public urination" citations happened in a park and there could have been children involved. The Judge signs off on it. Retroactively over 100 people are added to the offender list. The List doesn't say what the crime was that put people on the list, just that they are on it. It took over five years to get those people off the List. In the meantime several of them lost their jobs and had to listen to rumors spread around about them. All of this because of a rumor that had no basis in fact. Twenty years later the Park still hasn't opened the restrooms.
Now this same area has an annual rumor about men in white vans stalking children at the local Walmart. Why is it always Walmart?
Glad I heard this rumor. It needs a 3-pong attack.
We switched to black vans and black skin just to throw them off! Hardest part was the switch to Target, so we're trying Dollar General.
I absolutely love that this is the hill you autistic fucking retards decided to die on. Not 2 and a half years of house arrest of 300 million people. Not forcing people to receive an experimental medication against their will. Not a 27 trillion dollar national debt. Not public schools showing pictures of children giving blowjobs to adults in classroom curricula and then banning parents from school meetings when they merely read passages from that self-same cartoon pornography book. Nope. People protecting their kids from pedophiles. Because every person on the sex offender registry is just some poor drunk college kid who got sent up the river for pissing in the bushes.
The libertarian tent is far, far too small to accommodate Mormons who want to be left alone in the Utah desert to marry their 4th sister-wife, but just large enough to fit George Soros and about 10 million convicted kiddie fuckers.
Take your Save the Children QAnonsense and shove it firmly out of the end you both speak and poop from.
Oh yes! There are plenty of fake Christians out there! They toot their own horn over their own piety, but conveniently ignore the part of the Bible that says (in paraphrase) "If you don't forgive others, don't expect God to forgive you."
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I think this will get some traction.
While the modern Left is all about 'self-identification', they're also full of 'minor-attracted persons' - you know, pedophiles - and this would really hamper these basement dwellers if they ever went outside.
"cross generational relationships".
"Building on the work of Foucaut"
THERE'S NO CONNECTION TO POST MODERNISM!
As I said in a previous thread, pederasty is and always has been the dominant form of male homosexual expression. It is adult men who are attracted to other adult men who are the outliers in the male homophile world.
If the children identify as parks, will they be safer?
I dunno. Sounds like they could get peed on.
I will stipulate that some of the loudest advocates for this legislation are themselves uncaught sex offenders.
That's not too surprising. Every accusation from Marxist psychopaths like yourself is actually a confession.
Me thinks they protesteth too loudly!
John Tobia was upset we implied he's a Nazi. Well, if you hate being compareds to a Nazi, then don't behave like a Nazi. If it goosesteps like a Nazi, then it's a Nazi.
Logue likes to prove the validity of Godwin's Law.
It is amazing that in America a legislature can make a list of outcasts from any conviction they want that occurred at any time they want and then use that list to pass laws that make existence a crime punishable by prison...
No hearings, ex-post facto and no requirement the law has to actually protect. It only has to want to protect....
I left the registry. You guys can't make me follow laws like these. You all want to allege someone is a continuous danger after they have served a sentence? You need a COURT OF LAW with hearings and lawyers and appealable decisions.
No ex-post facto laws. No double punishments and no "cruel and unusual" punishments.
You all violate those with impunity..and then you think people have to follow your laws?
Hardly..and I won't.. not ever again.. too bad for your registry.. I laugh at it ....
“One thing that does not seem to have gone into the making of this law is a look at the actual recidivism rates of those on the registry. It's among the lowest for all offenses: about 5 percent, and nearly zero more than ten years after the original offense.”
That can’t be true! Nancy Grace assured me that the recidivism rate among sex offenders is well in excess of 1,000%! She wouldn’t lie to me, would she!
3 word answer IN A HEARTBEAT!!!!
Nancy Grace is one of the most vile and hateful women I've ever had the displeasure of seeing. Right next to her is Gloria Allred.
We should encourage this and more. Then when a judge looks at the lawsuit he will be able to say without a shadow of a doubt sex offenders laws are punishment. Once these schemes are considered punishment (which they obviously are) then the Constitution can kick in. Apparently, for some reason in this country, rights don't exist if the intention of a particular statute isn't punishment.
Sex offenders do not want to be isolated from there children gather, including on the Internet. They want to be free to groom.