Can the FDA Stop States From Banning Abortion Pills?
The FDA could work with the Department of Justice to sue states over mifepristone bans. But should it?

If you need any more evidence that the abortion law landscape will get even more murky than we can imagine, look no further than this statement from U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland. With more than a dozen states moving to make abortion illegal within their borders, America's top cop suggests the feds could thwart this by citing Food and Drug Administration (FDA) authority.
Reacting to last week's Supreme Court ruling overturning Roe v. Wade, Garland said "the Justice Department strongly disagrees with the Court's decision."
The Department stands "ready to work with other arms of the federal government that seek to use their lawful authorities to protect and preserve access to reproductive care," Garland added. "In particular, the FDA has approved the use of the medication Mifepristone. States may not ban Mifepristone based on disagreement with the FDA's expert judgment about its safety and efficacy."
Mifepristone is part of a two-pill regimen approved by the FDA to terminate pregnancies up to 10 weeks.
States that have banned or plan to ban abortion say this prohibition applies to not just surgical procedures but also these pills, which provide what's called medical abortions. Garland's statement suggests the federal government won't let the latter happen.
"The Justice Department will use every tool at our disposal to protect reproductive freedom," said Garland. He added that "few rights are more central to individual freedom than the right to control one's own body."
That last statement is a bit ironic coming from a federal government that still criminalizes marijuana (not to mention many other drugs), routinely cooperates with local police departments to catch people having sex for money, tried to strong-arm employees of private companies into getting vaccinated, and is instituting a new war on nicotine.
But at least Garland recognizes that people have some right to control their own bodies. That's unambiguously a good thing.
Whether FDA authority should be used to stop state abortion bans is another story. Could doing so risk further politicizing the FDA, setting the stage for the agency under the next Republican administration to ban abortion pills based on moral—not safety—concerns? Does it set us up for a whole bunch of back-and-forth over the legal status of drugs depending on who is in power—thereby raising the stakes of presidential elections further? Or is this just common sense, that states can't ban drugs and devices the FDA has approved?
As it stands, the FDA has set some minimum rules regarding abortion pills and states are free to enact further restrictions.
Mifepristone was first approved by the FDA as an abortion drug in 2000 and, until not long ago, the agency said women must physically visit a medical office to have it prescribed and dispensed by a "certified provider." In July 2020, however, a federal judge temporarily suspended the in-person mandate, saying that the pandemic made it too substantial an obstacle to obtaining an abortion. And in December 2021, the FDA said it would permanently allow people to get abortion pills mailed to them after a telemedicine appointment.
This does not mean women across America are able to do so, however. At least "19 states require the clinician providing a medication abortion to be physically present when the medication is administered, thereby prohibiting the use of telemedicine to prescribe medication for abortion," according to the Guttmacher Institute. Seven such requirements were passed just last year, along with six new laws banning the mailing of abortion pills in some states.
These types of telemedicine abortion bans are already the subject of a pending federal court case.
GenBioPro Inc, which sells mifepristone, is suing over a Mississippi law banning remote prescription of abortion pills. The company argues that Mississippi's law is preempted by the FDA—that is, federal approval trumps a state restriction. Mississippi's law is "an impermissile effort by Mississippi to establish its own drug approval policy and directly regulate the availability of drugs within the state," says GenBioPro's lawsuit.
GenBioProg's argument is a little shaky, say some legal experts. Congress has never explicitly said that FDA drug approval preempts state laws (as it has with medical devices). And "the court has generally moved in an anti-preemption trend and has been skeptical of arguments that a state law generally impedes the interests of the federal government," lawyer Ilana Eisenstein told Reuters recently.
But "similar challenges have succeeded before," notes Reuters. "In 2014, a Massachusetts federal judge struck down a state law seeking to regulate opioid drugs more stringently than federal law on the grounds that it was preempted."
And state laws totally banning an FDA-approved drug may be different than state rules simply regulating how it is prescribed. "The courts have generally found that the states have regulatory authority over the practice of medicine," Wendy Parmet, director of Northeastern University's Center for Health Policy and Law, told Bloomberg Law. But saying "'You can only prescribe it from an in-person visit in the first six weeks of pregnancy,' becomes a very different case than just saying, 'You can't sell a drug that's on the interstate market,'" she points out.
How governments will handle abortion pills crossing state lines will be one of many battles in the upcoming "interjurisdictional abortion wars," suggest David S. Cohen, Greer Donley, and Rachel Rebouché in a forthcoming article in the Columbia Law Review.
They note that in a post-Roe world, the FDA could work with the Department of Justice to sue states over mifepristone bans. This seems to be what Garland was hinting at in his statement. But how such suits would play out is unclear from current case law.
No matter what happens, abortion pills may still be fairly easy for women in these states to get prescribed remotely, as Reason's Jacob Sullum noted last December. "If you think states can actually prevent medical abortions, you must be unfamiliar with the war on drugs, which has failed for more than a century to stop Americans from obtaining politically disfavored intoxicants, even when they are illegal in every state," Sullum writes.
And even if American doctors won't prescribe to people in states where abortion is banned, some international doctors and pharmacies will.
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No the FDA shouldn't have the delegated right to prohibit this. Congress should debate and pass a law if they so desire a national uniform result; until then leave it to the States.
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Just a thought: When Trump was saying vaccine trial readouts were coming in November, and that states should be ready, Newsome was saying that California wouldn't allow the vaccines to be distributed until their own scientists did a study. Cuomo said the same for New York.
What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander and all that. If a state could override the FDA then, it can now.
Anyway, you're right. You want a law? Have legislators pass a constitutionally sound bill that an executive can sign. Problem solved.
1) It is not happening
2) We don't need yet another drug overpriced by gangsters
States can mandate that the pill's delivery system be via Juul.
Brings a whole new meaning to "smoke yourself thin!"
Thread-fucking-winner.
You're the shining juul of this website, Fist.
Awww.
Is that because of the constant vapor I produce?
Yes. I always think of you when I see a guy with a neck tattoo driving a car with bubblegum scented gasses streaming out his window.
Out: Netflix and chill.
In: Hotboxing with a vape pen.
Why is Reason advocating for FDA overreach now?
Means ends something something
Reason isn’t. ENB is.
Reason is to ENB as Science is to Fauci.
So, Reason wouldn't recognize ENB if she bit them in the ass?
Reason is to ENB as the Wuhan Lab is to Fauci.
^
List "federalism" among things ENB does not get.
Also, did not Garland support Biden's attempts at implementing a vaccine mandate? His support of bodily control is limited only to killing unborn humans.
There's a split in the movement between libertarians who believe federalism and subsidiarity are essential to liberty and libertarians who think decentralization is just a tool that can be whipped out to make conveniently self-serving legal arguments or put away when your side of an issue in a position to dictate national policy. ENB and most Reason liberaltarians fall into the latter camp.
Garland and the rest of the leftists have it all exactly backward, but then they are working from a conclusion back toward an action. Just because it is allowed does not mean it must be allowed. Should Chevron or Ford sue that California's specific rules are too restrictive since there are federal standards and more importantly, which side of that suit would Garland stand? Any honest person knows he would flip positions in such a case.
Sort of like how Trump and the rest of the right wingers worked backwards from the conclusion that the election was stolen to the action of restricting voting.
It's not like it's ivermectin or HCQ, FFS. I mean zero self awareness by some zero.
The "morning after" pill is one of the best strategies to reduce medical abortions. First it takes the process out of the doctor's hands and into the mother's. If the Radical Religious Right really does want to arrest desperate women, then make them stand up and say so, and display their true colors.
Does personhood start as conception? Or when the blastocyte attaches to the uterine wall? Or when cell differentiation begins? When the neural groove forms? When the placenta forms? Or as late as when the child is old enough to vote Democrat?
The pill works by preventing implantation, bypasses most of these debates. I do not consider it abortion, any more than I consider a failed implantation to be a miscarriage.
Thus the morning after pill, like the birth control pill, should be make over the counter without a prescription. Those two things are the best way to REDUCE ABORTION. And it reduces it peacefully without need for culture war or imprisoning mothers. Also cut the red tape surrounding adoptions so that mothers can bring their babies to term with confidence that they can have a good home.
The heavy jackboot of government is never the answer, not even in the abortion debates. Peace and persuasion is always the way to go. If you still think the pill is immoral, then get out there and convince people of it with peaceful persuasion, and stop using governments and cops and prisons. I am pro-life myself, and will stand with peaceful protesters at a march, but damn those who decide to commit violence against mothers and doctors for disagreeing with them.
You go, Brandybuck! You are going to force those irrational, silly, religious conservatives to live in a progressive, rational, secular society, even if it takes the heavy jackboot of government to do it!
Congrats, you completely missed my point. Two points.
No, I got your point exactly: you believe that liberty begins and ends with individual choices. You entirely fail to understand that liberty also includes the freedom to choose under what kind of government and laws you want to live.
Even radical communists love liberty since they choose the kind of government and laws they want (us) to live under! Everyone loves liberty, hooray! Liberty is meaningless now, hooray!
If individual liberty doesn't trump your right to choose laws for your neighbors to live under, you're on the wrong site. If you think a woman's right to choose to reject an undesired, parasitic growth with less cognitive abilities than a retarded flounder should be overruled by people like you who won't be dealing with the leaky bladder and slabs of flaccid skin for the rest of their life, you're on the wrong planet.
Yes. In fact, the objective of radical communists is to achieve individual liberty
I'm not pro-life. As far as I'm concerned, women can have as many abortions as they like. I think everybody who is pro-choice should go to the legislatures and make their case.
But I am a law abiding American citizen, which is why I recognize that the SCOTUS ruling is correct and that such decisions need to be made by the legislative branch.
And I am someone who experienced communism first hand, which is why I recognize liberty-spouting totalitarian assholes like you for what you really are.
Look at Mr Brady buck here saying that a person become a mother at the moment of conception
I will almost always tend to side with deregulation. Even in cases like this where I don't like the outcome. I also am for deregulating birth control for similar reasons.
The question I struggle with is, what would I vote for in my state? I actually don't feel bad at all about charging the woman with a crime as well. I think the people who argue everyone but the woman should be charged do a disservice to women and attribute to them something akin to moral incompetence that I find disgusting. This goes hand-in-hand with my deregulatory stance, as I also believe that implies people must accept the consequences of actions they chose.
But I also believe that life begins at conception. I think this is murder. And so if a state level question came up to ban abortion (except in cases of the baby already being dead, or ectopic pregnancy, some exceptions) from birth I think I would be for it.
While, I'm against birth control morally, I would not vote to ban that as I don't think another life is involved. The morning after pill I'm conflicted, but probably would not vote to ban. I'd have to think more about that one.
Superstitious, half-educated, faux libertarian right-wingers are among my favorite culture war casualties.
Anyone dumb enough to believe fairy tales are true has no legitimate role in reasoned debate among competent adults, particularly with respect to public policy. Childish, silly fucking fairy tales. No different than believing that John Blutarsky is or was a senator, or that Bug Bunny's statements were sacred, or that magic beans lead to a giant atop a beanstalk.
These deplorable slack-jaws can't be replaced -- by their betters -- fast enough.
I agree. Pathetic hicklib 46 IQ child molesters like you who believe that Vladimir Putin hacked into voting machines in 2016 to steal the election from Hillary Clinton in order to help Donald Trump on account of he's a Russian intelligence asset with compromat in the form of a secret tape of him getting peed on by Russian hookers in a Moscow hotel should shut the fuck up while the adults are talking. Or better yet, go play in traffic.
Hillary still lost. Roe is still gone. It's still illegal to ban handguns. How's that sweet, sweet culture war curb stomping taste you pathetic little bitch?
Fairy tales like the government being able to successfully plan an economy from the top down? (Also known as the Intelligent Design Theory of Creationist Economics). Or the fairy tales about the government being a source of infinite largesse and spending? (Also known as the Beanstalk Thesis).
Blutarskyism isn't limited to the Right.
Hey, Bluto learned a lot in seven years of undergrad college.
If you still think the pill is immoral, then get out there and convince people of it with peaceful persuasion, and stop using governments and cops and prisons.
Nobody tell brandy that the states doing this are duly elected.
Electing people to do the truncheoning for you is still truncheoning. Jackbooted thugs don't suddenly become God's Angels of Peace just because their chief was elected.
Elections do not define morality, otherwise Biden would be Pope.
So voting isn't an affirmation of policy?
You really need to spread your post-electoral modernism to the rest of the country. Why are you wasting time on abortion when you've solved all the major problems?
Quite literally no one has suggested banning the morning after pill or hormonal contraceptives you disingenuous fuck, and it was your Democrat butt buddies who torpedoed Republican efforts to make hormonal contraception OTC.
I would have happily bought your mother a fucking house if she'd had you aborted. Goddamn what a lying, stupid, obnoxious, absolute fucking bitch you are.
“But at least Garland recognizes that people have some right to control their own bodies. That's unambiguously a good thing.”
He doesn’t. You did a wonderful job of listing all the ways he’s proven he doesn’t believe this in the preceding graf. He’s being mendacious, at best, and I don’t think the ranking member of the DoJ picking which arguments he likes based merely on their intended outcome is unambiguously good, either.
"He added that "few rights are more central to individual freedom than the right to control one's own body.""
...after said rights have been ignored for years.
Not ignored, trampled on with glee.
Meanwhile:
DOJ says it will 'vigorously defend' Biden OSHA COVID-19 vaccine mandate in court
"right to control one's own body"
That's a freaking laugh after he fought tooth and nail to make the COVID vaccines mandatory.
You know if we could hook up the Democrats flip flopping on an issue to a generator, "green" might be possible.
“But at least Garland recognizes that people have some right to control their own bodies.” No. Garland believes people should be able to end unwanted pregnancies. That’s all. It has nothing to do with bodily integrity. If the fetus was outside the body he’d still have this position.
States are banning Mifepristone because of FDA's expert judgment about its efficacy.
Well, wherever that right may be found, it is not found in the US Constitution and the federal government is not empowered to enforce it.
In fact, the FDA itself frequently violates it by denying people medical treatments and drugs they want, even if their own lives are at stake.
But somehow, when it comes to an easily preventable, natural, and healthy condition (i.e. pregnancy), somehow you find some essential "right to control one's body".
Government medical experts withhold experimental medications from the people who would like to try them, and forces experimental medications onto the people who would rather not try them.
Indeed. And, I am all for changing that.
But I will not be lectured about a "right to bodily/medical autonomy" by a bunch of leftists who have been infringing on everybody's right to bodily/medical autonomy for years but use abortion for political opportunism.
Only five days and already I'm sick to death of this topic.
Can we please get another Covid wave or a new war or some world leader dropping dead? Anything to shift the news cycle off SCOTUS.
Can I pick the world leader? I would pick Biden, and tredue
You hate America so much you'd inflict Kamala as president?
Elderly Democrats are still under the illusion that Biden is what he pretends to be. I mean, if you just get a three second clip, you could be fooled.
With Kamala, there is no fooling.
And it's not like either Joe or Kamala are in charge anyway.
President Kamala would do what she has been doing, which is doing the things that must be done in order to keep doing what needs doing.
I'm loving it. Especially if you actually stick to the judicial side of things. There is a lot of genuinely interesting discussion about judicial philosophy coming out of this, and that's been a favorite topic of mine the last year or two.
If by "genuinely interesting discussion about judicial philosophy" you mean "dressing up histrionic screeching that every judge appointed by a Republican is a big fat poopy head in some multisyllabic words and a few half-remembered Latin phrases from law school", I guess.
The fda is a trash heap, test assured they will "discover" the power to do this once the pharma companies check clears
Millions of pro choice people like myself are contacting women and girls online and letting them know we are willing to mail abortion pills to them. If they are being mailed from home addresses then good luck to state prosecutors trying to stop them all from being delivered. And if a prosecutor in one of these states does find out I mailed them and tries to prosecute me, well good luck trying to get my state to cooperate (they will not).
Congratulations rednecks you've stopped 0.0% of abortions.
This sounds in no way creepy. Do you include pictures of your private parts with your letter?
aww, NOYB looking for ways to get himself dick pics delivered in the mail without giving away how gay he is is adorable
That was a pretty weak dig.
Oh, honey dearest, I have been in no way hiding how gay I am. If you're the rugged outdoorsy type, can bench press more than 250 pounds, and didn't vote for Hillary or Biden, send me a face pic. Otherwise, I'm not interested.
Isn't it funny watching leftist LGBTQIDOUBLEPLUSGOOD activists go straight to sexual preference insults, and then own goal themselves even further when it turns out the guy they called a fag is actually gay? It's like when they call Clarence Thomas a nigger and an uncle Tom every time SCOTUS releases a ruling. It's almost like leftists have no principles or something.
They’re all ,Ike that. For being so ‘anti-racist’ they have no problem with saying racist shit when those minorities are disobedient and isn’t stay on the democrat plantation.
whoa, my bad, Republicans usually aren't so open about their pole smoking.. you've won my admiration!
Millions of pro choice people like myself are contacting women and girls online
*starts backing away slowly*
"Hey baby I've got a vape pen that prevents pregnancy if you suck on it. Wanna come over and hotbox with a vape pen?" /making it a thing
Is there a mailing list of ahem loose women and girls? Journolist 2.0?
So a large scale conspiracy to commit murder? Gotta love the ghoulish zeal.
If a medical abortion is child murder, then why are you so hellbent on forcing persons who desire to murder children to be parents? Sure they could opt for adoption, but are under no obligation to do so and there would be no basis to compel them to. So which is it? Is murder just grossly inaccurate? Or are you in favor of those who desire to murder children parenting children?
there would be no basis to compel them to
Ooh! Sick DCFS burn!
Child protective services takes away children from their families for shit like making them walk to school, leaving them in a car for 5 minutes, or for giving their kids a name they don't like, but you think there would be no reason to remove a child from the care of a person who expresses their desire to kill that child? Or are you suggesting that our theoretical murder mommy is going to keep those violent desires masterfully concealed and also not act on them in any other way that would endanger the child, and raise it for 18 years just to pwn the religious right (that'll show 'em)? You want to maybe have another think on this one and try it again?
They’re welcome to put them up for adoption. No one is forcing them to raise the children. Just not murder them.
considering most of the aborted are future democrats, I'm sure you'd take a hit of that ghoulish zeal in murdering them at some later point in their lives now that the Jesus states have saved them
Who says the pro-abort crowd isn't a cult?
This is 100% cult behavior.
Raise your hand if you are in any way surprised that shreek is contacting little girls online and trying to mail them abortion pills?
And yes, this is another shreek sock. He started it years ago to troll one of the regulars here whose handle was "loveconstitution1789" (all lowercase, no dash). No, I'm not sure why he trotted it out now when loveconstitution1789 stopped posting here after Biden got elected. I think he just hopes people will forget so he can get some replies, like when he dug up hiss AddictionMyth and Dajjal accounts from 10 years ago because he couldn't get anybody to respond to his bait on his main or his MollyGodiva accounts anymore.
Absolutely, this is war with an illegitimate court packed by the GOP with 2 stolen seats.
Vaccines are a public health issue affecting others besides the individual. There are in place in all states existing mandates for vaccines and have been for a very long time. "Freedom" snowflakes can cry in their beer.
>>war ... illegitimate court ... 2 stolen seats ... public health
strike four!
Oh, "two stolen seats" is the talking point now. I see.
Conservatives have no problem with rational vaccine mandates, they simply objected to an untested vaccine with massive side effects and limited efficacy being pushed for corrupt and political purposes.
Why don't you worry about your own beer, little snowflake.
If the first seat was stolen, and the Senate was required to give Garland a hearing, then the second is legitimate. If the second seat is stolen, and the Senate was required to not have give ACB a hearing, then the first is legitimate.
Proggie logic fails again.
It was her turn/
Bob Tuesday
The 2 situations were not even close though the 2nd demonstrated the complete lie and hypocrisy used by the GOP. Voting had begun when they ranked through the pessimistic losers pick.
Coupled with the fact that 5 of the 6 voting for Dobbs were appointed by presidents rejected by voters the court is undeniably packed with rejects at war with Americans
Presidents who are rejected by the voters do not get to appoint supreme court justices, sarcasmic. Do you know why? Because they are not the president. The person who wins the election by securing the votes of the highest numbers of electors becomes the president.
sarcasmic proves yet again that the "special" in "special pleading" has the same meaning as the "special" in "special olympics".
The schools have truly failed at teaching civics.
The GOP followed procedures. And since Bork and Thomas, the Democrats don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to complaining about SCOTUS nominations. So go suck it up.
Furthermore, the GOP appointed judges actually produce logically coherent legal reasoning, while the three progressive judges explicitly use their position to legislate from the bench.
" Senate was required to give Garland a hearing"
Actually not. Where did you get that idea?
It was only required to receive Obama's nomination That it did.
Well, it is war.
The left keeps telling us it's war.
We should start acknowledging that they are at war with us, and treat them as the enemy combatants they are.
Your leader already tried to overturn the last election you stupid twit and you all applaud him. That's war
In fact, sarcasmic, nobody attempted to overturn the last election, and even if they had that would not be war, that would be sedition. Sometimes sedition leads to war, but they are not the same thing. War is more like what happened when a 17 year old cherubic little boy smoked 3 of your pedophile Antifa buds who chased him down and tried to murder him. You'll know when the war starts because you'll be shitting in your pants begging for your life.
who's "us"? Libertarians or Republicans? last I heard, the latter is as much "at war" with the former as Democrats are
The covid vaccines saved hundreds of thousands lives if not millions and of those dying and hospitalized by it, they were overwhelmingly in unvaxxef. You need to see the data again snowflake?
Take it a little easy, sarcasmic. You're always this stupid and belligerent, but you have literally had multiple typos in every single post since you went on this diatribe. When you can't fucking spell or type anymore, it's time to go pull the murphy bed down and sleep it off.
I'd love to see that data btw! Go ahead and post it. I'll be curious what methodology was used to prove a negative.
Are those the talking points you were issued today?
When your able to disprove them you might have some basis for calling them that. Facts are stubborn things.
You literally did not introduce anything that could be described as a fact. You offered an opinion. Facts are, indeed, stubborn things, like the fact that there has never been a vaccine mandate in any state prior to COVID, not even for public school kids who can opt out; or the fact that the COVID therapeutics do not prevent infection or transmission of COVID and have caused over a million adverse events including thousands of deaths; or the fact that you decided to post a rambling, incoherent, mostly-misspelled rant about vaccines in a thread about abortion drugs.
"You literally did not introduce anything that could be described as a fact. You offered an opinion..."
Joe Asshole is full of shit.
1) There is not one single state in America with a mandate for any vaccine other than COVID. The public school requirements in all 50 states have opt-out exemptions for religious, ethical, personal and medical reasons, and also don't apply anywhere outside of a public school. And even those weak 'mandates' if you really want to strain the term are for half a century old vaccines that have been clinically proven to prevent the spread of disease. Until 2 years ago, there has never been any regulation demanding anyone take a vaccine or drug whose trials have not been completed and that are not FDA approved.
b) The topic under discussion is abortion pills, not vaccines. You should probably start drinking a little later in the day, sarcasmic.
III) Even if vaccine mandates actually existed, there isn't any vaccine against COVID. There are a couple of very bad therapeutics that never prevented infection or transmission of the virus even when the strain that was prevalent was actually the one the treatments were designed to target.
Your self-righteous lefty trolling is fooling nobody. It really is quite insufferable.
Tell me, how did you feel when the dems introduced a bill to increase the number of SCOTUS justices to 13?
THAT is court-packing. Filling vacant seats is not, even if they align with the sitting President's policy preferences.
"If you think states can actually prevent medical abortions, you must be unfamiliar with the war on drugs, which has failed for more than a century to stop Americans from obtaining politically disfavored intoxicants, even when they are illegal in every state,"
Jacob Sullum, J.D., M.D. - Ketanji Brown Jackson School of Law and Medicine.
I mean holy fucking shit! *You* guys are effectively saying, "You haven't really partied unless you've hit the pipe, drank a fifth, and bumped it all with a little dilation and curettage! Who is the government to get in the way of any of that?" JFC, why not toss driving back to your place with a little paint huffing and unprotected group erotic asphyxiation into the mix? Who the fuck's side are you on?
This is why I only read the comments.
"Mifepristone will be as prevalent among women who've forgotten to take their *other* pill the way meth is popular among heroin addicts who forget to take their heroin and wake up 15 weeks sober." - Jacob Sullum, J.D., M.D. - Ketanji Brown Jackson School of Law and Medicine.
so you're saying the War on Drugs has been a success?
Why would the FDA do that? Its run by dems.
FDA entrance exam:
Bodily Autonomy applies to the following:
[ ] 1. Refusing to be forced into an experimental medical procedure.
[ ] 2. Being allowed to smoke tobacco or vape.
[ ] 3. Smoke Marijuana
[ ] 4. Stick an ice pick in a baby's head as it crowns during the birthing procedure
I should have added "only one applies"
funny how bodily autonomy means women have no control over their own body, but unlimited authority to murder their babies.
It's why I tend to disagree with the line ENB has:
But at least Garland recognizes that people have some right to control their own bodies. That's unambiguously a good thing.
I do not believe he does recognize that. It's so inconsistent with everything else in his philosophy. I think some people mean the bodily autonomy argument authentically, but I think many people just use it because it's a convenient argument that seems to convince a lot of people.
Though, it is complicated. Since the left has long had a real tension between the actual bodily autonomy arguers and the rule by expert side of things.
I have no idea. Though I concede that as a practical matter people probably can't stop others from getting a hold of these abortifacients.
So Garland, speaking for the executive branch, has declared war on the judicial branch.
Cool. Who now arrests the insurrectionists?
It will be a Thunderdome battle between Garland and Thomas. With Nutless Johnny (Roberts) clutching his pearls.
The case against the Supreme Court of the United States
The Court was the midwife of Jim Crow, the right hand of union busters, the dead hand of the Confederacy, and now is one of the chief architects of America’s democratic decline.
Well that didn't take long.
Oh and with an article right next to it with a protester lying on the ground with a sign that reads "Save Democracy, PASS S1!"
Umm, whatever your opinion on the Roe reversal, I don't think anyone can deny that you just got a dose of Democracy.
These people have no clue. It's all FEELZ expressed with mindless slogans.
I'm curious what they would replace it with. Surely there would be some sort of judiciary to rule on what laws mean. It's not clear to me what the alternative to it would be.
It's not clear to me what the alternative to it would be.
Given the political culture and precepts, I'm 100% certain that "Not better just different" is an unattainably good outcome. Trials that look like they were lifted straight out of Mean Girls wouldn't surprise me.
Without a new constitutional convention, i got bad news for you leftists who want to get rid of the court....
Nothing says "chief architects of America's democratic decline" than telling legislatures to decide complex issues by passing laws! It's practically Nazi Germany!
No. Even if it did, it would neither be libertarian nor constitutional.
Follow up question, could the FDA overrule states on MJ legalization?
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1535381323396816896?t=yYn01GCfbY8Vb8VbzluQSw&s=19
A gas station owner in Phoenix is selling gas for less than the purchase price to "give a break to the customer and my community."
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He’s certainly getting free advertising. The local news there is probably giving him a lot of exposure. Plus CNN’s dozen or so viewers.
Might not be a bad move considering how tight margins are on gas anyway.
Hmm
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I love how the american left recently discovered the 9th amendment.
And how Pro-Life just undiscovered it...
I think the Paul's pegged it right on when they told reason it wasn't anything but a 'wedge' issue to divide people and Empower Gov-Guns.
Nope; That was the Supreme Courts Job....
They failed to STOP the 'federal' over-reach of the Rogue-Agency FDA.
They failed to STOP the 'state' over-reach into 'pregnant women' PERSONAL LIFES...
Apparently the Supreme Court is just utterly inept to uphold the U.S. Constitution.
I think we've all seen that the FDA can do whatever it wants and woe to the Supreme Court Justice who says it can't.
The FDA shouldn't even exist.
So, no.
Garland's policy is very clear. People have a right to control their bodies. Except when they don't. He will decide which is which. Which is the point.
That's because Garland is really, really smart!
At least he thinks so!
Now do hydrochloroquine and ivermectin.
That idea is back to square One. Squre one was FedGov can ONLY use power specifically granted to, and clearly named as such, to FedGov. Square Two is that per sCOTUS in Roe, Feds have supreme power, states go fly kites.
Square Three dropped last week, SCOTUS says NO Feds cannot dictate on this issue because they do not have that specific authority thus it falls back to the States, where it was at Square One. FDA are part of FedGov and have LIMITED authority to decide what drugs are safe, some about how they might be used, They have NO power to override states on specifics.
So in short, NO.
"Squre one was FedGov can ONLY use power specifically granted to, and clearly named as such, to FedGov. "
Actually, no.
Nothing is going to stop these pills from getting to people
It would take 'inspection stations' at every road crossing of state borders, plus opening of all mail to even approach an effective prohibition.
Fuggedaboudit.
I'm sorely disappointed in the Supreme Court decision on the Mississippi abortion law, for several reasons.
1. Although the strict construction rule can be used to justify the denial of the federal right, the stare decisis rule should have equal weight. We have seen other decisions made on the basis of extrapolation of implied rights in the Constitution, and the right to self-governance surely should take prominence, even for women!
After all, government stops at the skin.
A modern society should be able to distinguish crime from sin.
2. Chief John Roberts admitted the lack of judicial restraint in deciding not merely the case at issue - the MS restrictive window of 15 weeks for a legal abortion - but the entire procedure itself. Despite that reservation he nevertheless signed on to the majority opinion, instead of justifiably dissenting from it as written.
3. More importantly, it's not just wrong, it is a mistake, and could be a death warrant not only for other conservative causes, but even for the structure of the court itself.
My prediction is that this will undermine the popular confidence in the court to such an extent that the move to pack the court with 4 progressive appointees may well succeed now. In addition, this may well have derailed the impending transfer of power in the house and senate to Republican hands, and if the senate Ds achieve a supermajority, now plausible, that will make the packing of the court inevitable. There will be a large number of people in the uncommitted third of the electorate who will never vote for anything or anyone Republican again.
This was a suicidal move. I know the court is supposed to disregard political consequences, but it has neglected that before and should have done so again. I can only suppose that the release of the draft opinion was a challenge, and those 6 on the court rose to it manfully, and suicidally.
60 years ago, abortion tourism had folks traveling to foreign countries. Now, they'll be coming to Oregon and Washington.
I know there will be some who believe this was the right hill to die on, but I disagree.
I hope I'm wrong.
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The first two weeks after conception the fertilized egg is a zygote not a embryo. That is to say the chemicals and instructions to become and embryo exists, but not the embryo. Also we do not force women with tubal pregnancies to carry the babies to full term because it would kill them and the baby.
It seems there could be common ground in the first two weeks, but neither side will give an inch.
Unfortunately, ectopic pregnancies can rarely be carried to term, or at least to viability. With tubal pregnancies, there is no chance that the pregnancy can go on. Sometimes, nature takes care of what would become a dangerous situation itself, and the woman with a tubal pregnancy will have a miscarriage. At other times, this will not happen, and the pregnancy will continue to develop inside the Fallopian tube. In that case, medical intervention is of paramount importance. Failure to remove the embryo from the tube can result in its rupture, and an internal hemorrhage that can prove to be fatal.