Bitcoin Crashes to $21,000, Coinbase Lays Off 18 Percent of Work Force
Is crypto winter here?

Bitcoin is now trading at $21,000, down about $47,000 since last November when it neared $68,000. Prominent companies like crypto exchange Coinbase, after hiring aggressively all year, have turned to layoffs. Aiming to cut about 18 percent of the work force, Coinbase is basically undoing the hiring gains it made this year. Those laid off will receive at least 14 weeks of severance, with tenured employees receiving an additional two weeks for every year worked after the first.
"We appear to be entering a recession after a 10+ year economic boom," wrote CEO Brian Armstrong in a notice to employees. "A recession could lead to another crypto winter, and could last for an extended period. In past crypto winters, trading revenue (our largest revenue source) has declined significantly…we always plan for the worst so we can operate the business through any environment." Armstrong also admitted to employees that the company grew too quickly and that, in order to survive crypto winters—they've handled four in the past—they need to slim down and better manage costs.
This comes on the heels of crypto bank Celsius' announcement this past Sunday that it would be temporarily freezing withdrawals, sparking fears that it just doesn't have the funds, and cryptocurrency exchange Crypto.com's announcement that it would be laying off 5 percent of its work force (about 260 employees). Meanwhile, the Dow dropped 700 points to "the lowest level in more than a year," per CNBC, and the S&P 500 and the Nasdaq composite also continued their dives. On top of all of that, the Federal Reserve has raised interest rates by three-quarters of a percentage point (instead of the expected half).
"The Fed has a very tight needle to thread here and I think investors and the market, in general, are losing a good deal of confidence that the Fed might be able to do that," Ryan Detrick, chief market strategist at LPL Financial, told CNBC. Meanwhile, the crypto world has plenty of theories about why cryptocurrencies are tracking the stock market so closely and what the downturn means for the future.
Nic Carter, general partner at Castle Island Ventures and co-founder of Coin Metrics, told Reason just a few weeks ago on the heels of the Terra collapse that it's investors trying to manage risk in their portfolios during downturns. "Bitcoin is a great asset to liquidate, [since] it sells 24/7, globally, everywhere," he noted. "Bitcoin's just participating in the broad sell-off of risk assets…a consequence of tightening in the monetary system."
Others, like Bloomberg columnist Matt Levine, argue that crypto's "started to work its way into the real financial system. Some traditional investors also own crypto; if their crypto goes down they might have to sell regular stuff. Some public companies are exposed to crypto (because they are crypto exchanges, because they have levered crypto holdings, etc.), so your boring old index fund might go down when crypto goes down."
Still, others point to the silver linings, such as the transparency amid the crypto crash:
What's absolutely fascinating about this crypto liquidity crisis is that, thanks to blockchain, it's all absolutely playing out in public with everyone watching.
In conventional finance, it would be mostly after-the-fact guesswork, murky SEC filings, and imaginative reporting. https://t.co/hTzCI5E4TE
— Antonio García Martínez (agm.eth) (@antoniogm) June 15, 2022
And to a "weeding out" of hype men and indiscriminate investors, something that's cyclical and not altogether bad:
for folks who've been through multiple cycles it feels like there's a genuine relief that comes with a bit of a pullback
the respite from the mania, the time to focus, the weeding out of opportunists, the doubling down on opportunities
— juthica (@juthica) June 2, 2022
As well as the fact that conventional finance has government backstops during downturns in a way the crypto ecosystem just doesn't:
In TradFi, this is when the Fed injects liquidity that lenders have failed to provide. In crypto, there is no digital Fed to buy vast quantities of distressed coin, no digital OPEC to cut production and support prices, and no digital congress to ratify crypto stimulus packages.
— Cumberland (@CumberlandSays) June 16, 2022
At last week's Consensus crypto conference in Austin, investor Mike Novogratz exuded bullish optimism, pointing to crypto's ongoing success at handling remittances abroad and how there will be much more caution when it comes to algorithmic stablecoins going forward after the drama with Terra last month (more on that here). Novogratz noted that he thinks October, or the fourth quarter, is when we might see signs of bitcoin recovery and cryptocurrency decouple and stop tracking stocks so closely.
Meanwhile, Coinbase competitor and large crypto exchange Binance has apparently not taken much of a hit, posting that it's hiring for over 2,000 open positions. Crypto exchange Kraken, which had two critical pieces written about it (and its founder's "libertarian" philosophy of "freewheeling speech") in Vice and The New York Times yesterday, also posted that it's hiring for over 500 open roles. Perhaps there will even be more roles to fill if employees disgruntled with the company's mission-refocusing choose to take the buyouts offered to them by Kraken's CEO, a la Basecamp and Coinbase.
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In conventional finance, it would be mostly after-the-fact guesswork, murky SEC filings, and imaginative reporting.
I have no idea what he's talking about here. I understand the words but the words are pretty plainly saying "In conventional finance, people can't obtain financial information in real time." which seems very much like retarded beyond-the-Rubicon Kool-aid drinking. Like I get that SEC filings happen post hoc and can retroactively amend information you previously had in real time and the BTC protocol, but not the exchanges, are free of that. But to say what he said the way he said it is just retardedly false.
My bad, sorta, my skimming didn't exactly pick up the topic change. I say sorta as I don't know that "Look! We can objectively try and convict people of being stupid with money in the court of public opinion without due process or the SEC!" is better than the alternative.
I think this is more like how the markets go down one day and the news reporters say shit like "Oh people are jittery about the situation in Foozabar." And then at the end of the quarter, you find out that some hedge fund was liquidating its position in Apple, causing it to tank.
The interesting thing about this is that Blockchain absolutely exposes you to ruthless behavior. Hedge funds and other large investors will use dark pools and other complicated instruments to hide their trading activity, specifically so that other players won't interfere with their price points. But you cannot do that on current blockchains. If you are entering bids and other stuff, it is absolutely known what you are doing.
This is why there was so much speculation that Bitcoin was going beneath 18k- because It Was Known that at that point, Celcius's vault would be liquidated, causing massive fluctuations in price. Interestingly, they were unable to execute this push because as soon as BTC hit 20k, there was so much demand keeping it higher.
The interesting thing about this is that Blockchain absolutely exposes you to ruthless behavior. Hedge funds and other large investors will use dark pools and other complicated instruments to hide their trading activity, specifically so that other players won't interfere with their price points. But you cannot do that on current blockchains. If you are entering bids and other stuff, it is absolutely known what you are doing.
This comes back to what I was saying in the other thread about crypto fans just spouting nonsense out of hand. You're telling me that, in an anonymous system dark pools don't/can't exist? That the push to keep it above 20K was totally not the crypto-equivalent of a dark pool that the largely/totally anonymous system stops from existing? I mean, didn't we all just sit and watch retail investors fuck hedge funds last year? Admittedly, the SEC executed the typical unfucking things up by fucking them up harder, but the idea that the little guy can't ever see what's coming in the market and that an anonymous and cryptographically secure system provides greater insight into the motivations and actors is just nonsense. Opaque transparent unicorn nonsense.
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Again this isn't about anonymity. This is the Dark Forest.
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Right. So, circling back, to the Twitter post, the comment is essentially "TradFi sucks because while you can watch the numbers in real time you never find out what happened until months later after an SEC investigation and number fudging. Crypto is so much better because we can see the numbers in real time and we don't have to any number fudging because there never will be an SEC investigation!"
Maybe we watched a Saudi Prince nearly lose a half billion of his own money, maybe we watched a money manager risk his clients money then illegally phone up his friends to help keep him afloat, maybe we watched a Vice President suffer a Senior Moment and get bailed out by Eastern European oligarchs... but, who cares?None of that matters because we know what's happening in real time*!
*We deliberately design our protocols with encryption so they're intrinsically slower than transmitting plaintext data.
Wait...didn't another Reason article argue that BitCoin was going to save democracy?
Turns out you can't eat zeros and one's.
I can burn paper money in the fireplace. Intrinsic value.
Wait, crypto is a scam? Who knew?
Remember Bernie Madoff?
Pepperidge Farms Remembers...
When do I start *checks notes* believing in the energy and stop worrying about the value?
20k is the bottom. Time to buy.
Crashed to 40% above price on election night.
Pretty good problem to have.
Tech bros need to learn why every developed country came up with a central bank in the first place.
That's easy: to finance wars and to funnel money to bankers.
You did know that, right?
That's easy: to finance wars and to funnel money to bankers.
So the purpose of bitcoin/crypto is to prevent the centralization of wealth/capital?
You did know where you were going with this argument, right?
I admit I wished I understood this stuff better but...um:
I guess I don't understand why these outfits would have to lay off because the "price of the
dollarbitcoin" has begun to plummet.Also, Overt said something to me in a previous thread some weeks ago which kind of caused me to rethink my position, but now I have to confess, I'm rethinking my rethought position.
I made a quick about bitcoin not surging to which Overt pointed out that just like the stock market compared to 1954, it IS surging when comparing the price now vs the price four years ago yadda yadda. I kind of admitted to myself ('cause I won't admit being wrong here) that was a good point and let the whole thing drop. But when the stock market loses 75% of it's value today, no one says "it's surging! Look at what the value of the DOW was in 1942!".
So there's overall surging and relativistic surging and whatever's happening in the right here and now appears to... alas, not be a surge.
But holy fucking shit, these nuanced rules of financial whackbat aside... this is real 1929 shit when an outfit that "holds" your bitcoin suspends withdrawals because they don't have the funds to cover it.
Do you want regulation? Because this is how you get regulation.
I guess, playing Devil's Advocate, it's a question of a collapse vs. a correction. Is it proving to be worth nothing, or is it a correction in an overinflated market. I don't know.
I admit to not thinking much about crypto though. For whatever reason, I've never been able to generate too much interest in it. Same with NFTs. Is it a scam or not? I don't know, I'm not buying it, I'm not going to tell anyone else not to either though.
it's a question of a collapse vs. a correction. Is it proving to be worth nothing, or is it a correction in an overinflated market. I don't know.
A correction is of the order of 20% to 30% down depending on how much you need to reassure investors. Down 70% is unambiguously a collapse.
It' still worth 2 cents! It's a correction!
That's the trouble with those damn computers; sometimes you're the one, sometimes you're the zero.
That's the trouble with those damn computers; sometimes you're the one, sometimes you're the zero.
Winning the internet today, so far!
Why did Coinbase even need 5,000+ employees? They don't make anything and there's no way they needed that many people to run a server room and also have a dozen people staff the phones.
I can't wait to finally be able to buy a graphics card for less than the price of a used car. Get fucked, bag holders.
Quick! It's not too late to get your BitCoin while the prices are still high!