Biden's Gun Control Push Combines Slipperiness With Self-Righteous Certitude
The president implies that anyone who resists his agenda is complicit in the murder of innocents.

President Joe Biden says he wants Democrats and Republicans to join together in responding to mass shootings like the recent attacks in Buffalo, Uvalde, and Tulsa. Yet the speech he delivered last night was suffused with the off-putting, aggressive self-righteousness that Democrats routinely display when they push new restrictions on firearms. Again and again, Biden implied that anyone who questions or resists the policy solutions he favors is complicit in the murder of innocents. As he frames the issue, there is no room for honest disagreement about the merits of those proposals, which are self-evidently the right thing to do.
That attitude is not exactly conducive to building the bipartisan consensus that Biden claims he wants. Nor is Biden's egregiously misleading deployment of the facts that he says demonstrate the urgency and effectiveness of the laws he supports. Biden does not want a rational, empirically informed debate about the costs and benefits of those laws. He prefers emotion to logic, and he demands that everyone else—including the Republicans he accuses of callous indifference to mass murder—do the same.
"For God's sake, how much more carnage are we willing to accept?" Biden asks. "How many more innocent American lives must be taken before we say 'enough'? Enough."
That "enough" refrain, which appears 11 times in Biden's 17-minute speech, is not an argument. It is an emotional appeal that assumes the wisdom of Biden's policy prescriptions and the bad faith of anyone who opposes them.
For the most part, Biden does not even attempt to explain why legislators should support those policies. "The issue we face is one of conscience and common sense," he says. If you disagree with him, in other words, you either have no conscience or lack common sense.
According to the president, for example, it is obvious that Congress should expand the background-check requirement for gun buyers, which currently applies only to purchases from federally licensed dealers, to cover all firearm sales. He thinks that would help prevent mass shootings.
How would that work? That is a question Biden does not want us to ask, for obvious reasons.
The perpetrators of the three recent mass shootings all passed background checks, which means they did not have disqualifying criminal or psychiatric records. Biden mentions six other mass shootings. The expanded requirement that he wants Congress to enact would not have made a difference in any of those cases, because the perpetrators either passed background checks or obtained guns from others who bought them legally—a parent in one case and older friends in another.
According to a recent National Institute of Justice report on public mass shootings from 1966 through 2019, just 13 percent of the perpetrators obtained guns through illegal transactions. So even theoretically, an expanded federal background-check requirement would be a barrier for only a small minority of mass shooters. And in practice, it would not be much of a deterrent even for would-be killers with disqualifying records. Data from states that notionally mandate "universal background checks," which require that every sale be completed through a licensed dealer, indicate that gun owners generally do not comply with that edict, presumably because of the additional time, inconvenience, and expense it would entail.
There is little reason to think gun owners who defy state background-check requirements would be more inclined to obey a federal law demanding the same thing. And since private transfers are both common and generally invisible to the government, effectively enforcing that law would be impossible. The upshot is that would-be mass killers would have little trouble arming themselves even if they could not pass a background check.
The same would be true for ordinary criminals, the vast majority of whom obtain guns from sources that would not be affected by a new federal law. Unsurprisingly, a 2019 study found that California's 1991 expansion of background checks "was not associated with a net change in the firearm homicide rate over the ensuing 10 years."
At the same time, the legislation that Biden supports would transform millions of otherwise law-abiding Americans into federal felons because they decline to jump through government-mandated hoops when they dispose of their own property. For that newly invented crime, they would face up to five years in prison.
Does the uncertain and probably negligible public safety benefit of expanding the background-check requirement justify the massive criminalization of hitherto legal transactions? That's a question Biden does not even bother to ask.
Biden notes that "universal background checks" poll very well. But as The New York Times points out, there is a big difference between those survey results and the support that Americans register for this policy when they vote on ballot initiatives that would implement it. The gap between "expected support" (based on polling) and "actual support" (based on election results) was 28 points in California, 22 points in Washington, 36 points in Nevada, and 35 points in Maine.
When confronted by specific policies they have the power to approve, it seems, voters pay more attention to the details and the likely consequences than they do in opinion surveys. They hear arguments pro and con in the run-up to the election, and they tend to be much more skeptical than the polls suggest. That is the sort of debate Biden wants to avoid by insisting that virtually everyone agrees this is a good idea.
Likewise with the renewed federal ban on "assault weapons" that Biden has long favored. He does not want to talk about the details of that legislation, which would reveal that the category of firearms it targets is defined by functionally unimportant features such as folding stocks, pistol grips, and barrel shrouds. He does not want to address the basic problem with such laws: They leave untouched guns that fire the same ammunition at the same rate with the same muzzle velocity as the prohibited models.
Biden instead insists that everyone knows the 1994 "assault weapon" law, which expired in 2004 and included a ban on the sale of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds, reduced mass shootings. "In the 10 years it was law," he says, "mass shootings went down. But after Republicans let the law expire in 2004 and those weapons were allowed to be sold again, mass shootings tripled. Those are the facts."
There is little evidence to support the implication that the ban reduced mass shootings. Nor does it seem that the law had an important impact on gun violence generally.
"It is premature to make definitive assessments of the ban's impact on gun crime," University of Pennsylvania criminologist Christopher Koper warned in a 2004 report commissioned by the Justice Department. Koper and his co-authors noted that the use of "assault weapons" in gun crimes (primarily pistols rather than rifles) had declined in the six cities they examined, although that change "was offset throughout at least the late 1990s by steady or rising use of other guns" equipped with "large capacity magazines" (LCMs).
"The failure to reduce LCM use has likely been due to the immense stock of exempted pre-ban magazines," Koper et al. said. "Because the ban has not yet reduced the use of LCMs in crime, we cannot clearly credit the ban with any of the nation's recent drop in gun violence." If the law were renewed, they said, "the ban's effects on gun violence are likely to be small at best and perhaps too small for reliable measurement."
That report focused on the impact of restricting LCMs, which it suggested "could have nontrivial effects on gunshot victimizations" if it actually succeeded in reducing the supply available to criminals. Notably, the report did not treat the distinction between "assault weapons" and other semiautomatic firearms as important (emphasis added): "The few available studies suggest that attacks with semiautomatics—including [assault weapons] and other semiautomatics equipped with LCMs—result in more shots fired, more persons hit, and more wounds inflicted per victim than do attacks with other firearms."
Koper et al. noted that the "assault weapon" ban "targets a relatively small number of weapons based on features that have little to do with the weapons' operation, and removing those features is sufficient to make the weapons legal." Biden himself has conceded that the 1994 ban did not affect the lethality of legally available firearms, noting that it allowed the sale of guns that were "just as deadly." That is also true of the new, supposedly improved version that Biden is pushing.
"Evidence for the effect of assault weapon bans on mass shootings is inconclusive," the RAND Corporation said in a 2020 review of research on state bans. It called the impact of such laws "uncertain." Last week, RAND researcher Andrew Morral likewise noted that studies of "assault weapon" bans "don't yet provide enough scientific evidence to indicate what their effects might be."
What about the claim that Biden made in his speech? "By some definitions," Morral writes, "mass shootings declined in the United States during the period of the federal ban, but because mass shootings remain, at least in a statistical sense, relatively rare, and because rates of mass shootings are highly variable from year to year, there are methodological challenges to reliably detecting even fairly strong effects for these laws."
Biden not only ignores these subtleties; he refuses to acknowledge that there is any controversy at all about the impact of the 1994 ban. "These are the facts," he says, implying that anyone who thinks otherwise is either woefully misinformed or maliciously dedicated to promoting the murder of schoolchildren.
Biden also implies that such horrifying crimes are much more common than they actually are. Since 2013, Northeastern University criminologist James Alan Fox reports, "77 students in grades K-12 have been killed in 11 school mass shootings," defined as attacks that injured at least four victims and killed at least one student. When other shootings are included, an average of 10 students are killed with firearms in K-12 schools each year. By comparison, Fox notes, the annual death toll from pool drownings in this age group is about 400.
Biden strives to create a much different impression. "According to new data just released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, guns are the number one killer of children in the United States of America," he says. "The number one killer. More than car accidents. More than cancer. Over the last two decades, more school-aged children have died from guns than on-duty police officers and active-duty military combined. Think about that: more kids than on-duty cops killed by guns, more kids than soldiers killed by guns."
Given the context of Biden's speech, which begins with a description of his visit to Uvalde, casual listeners might conclude that he is talking about school shootings. But he actually seems to be talking about all gun deaths among Americans 19 or younger, including suicides, regardless of where they occur. These "school-aged children" include adults, gang members shot by other gang members, and anyone 19 or younger who kills himself with a gun.
These are all serious problems, of course, but they have nothing to do with crimes like the Uvalde massacre and virtually nothing to do with "assault weapons," which are rarely used in homicides. In 2019, according to the FBI's numbers, handguns accounted for more than 90 percent of the weapons used in gun homicides where the type of firearm was specified. Just 5 percent of those guns were rifles, only a subset of which would qualify as "assault weapons."
That bait-and-switch is characteristic of Biden's approach to gun policy, which confusingly shifts focus between problems of vastly different nature and magnitude, making it impossible to pin down his argument. Policies aimed at reducing the frequency or lethality of rare mass public shootings, or even rarer school shootings, don't necessarily apply to the much larger category of gun homicides, let alone suicides (which account for most gun deaths). It is hard to tell exactly what Biden expects to accomplish or why he thinks the laws he favors would accomplish it.
When you combine that vagueness with self-righteous certitude, you have a recipe for the political stalemate that Biden decries, pretending that he bears no responsibility for it. Given the godawful legislation that Congress tends to produce when both parties cooperate, that may be just as well.
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was suffused with the off-putting, aggressive self-righteousness that Democrats routinely display
when they push new restrictions on firearmsFixed that for you.
As an example, I might cite several times Pelosi saying "We don't negotiate with terrorists." Terrorists being Republicans.
National political rhetoric is so vile as to be unconscionable in polite society. Call me these things -- the sort progressives call me online -- to my face and you're going to have to fight. Nobody wants to win me to their side anymore. They just want to blame the "other" to get their own choir to sing "Amen."
Funny, only the democrats engage in acts of terror.
Ted, a vanishingly small number of folks engage in terroristic acts. that's another word that has been commandeered. it only becomes reclaimed when we call bullshit on those who misuse it.
true dat !!!
it really does help to have run the schools for decades permitting the debasement of the language and bolstering the inability of the lumps to think for themselves. words most often misused are brave, hero, victim, insurrection, fairness...all are used by brainless dullards to further an angle.
the left has been at it for a VERY long time. they did it while we were all at work
Also "racist".
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thank you Stuck...you saved us all a little time today
You know Sullum, maybe you should have spent a little more time during the summer/fall of 2020 examining a Joe Biden candidacy instead of the 100+ crazy TDS articles. Just a thought. Pretty much everything we're seeing was part of Joe Biden's campaign website.
But then again, no more mean tweets...
The last sentence is the important part. Joe has not done anything like deride half the nation, trash News industries, etc.
On the plus side: Brandon has done much to improve Alzheimer’s awareness in the elderly. I’ve got no doubt many are contemplating why taking car keys away from the senescent is so important.
Yep no mean tweets. Rather, we get incoherent statements half the time and the other half could be considered war provocations (that the administration then has to walk back)!
To be fair Reason produced a fantastic 20+ minute video about what a douche Biden is.
Uhm, yeah Biden sucks, but Trump sucks more.
Trump is a simpleton, better cheaper health care insurance from the government.... yeah sure. And I have bridge that I'll sell you.
How about we go for two real candidates with real platforms and real plans and pick between them? I'd prefer a larger field but lets face it, we are a two party system.
"The president implies that anyone who resists his agenda is complicit in the murder of innocents."
Nice. We in the progressive / libertarian #Resistance use that tactic quite a bit.
For example if you click my username you'll read my second favorite writer Shikha Dalmia's assertion that opponents of Charles Koch's open borders agenda are basically as bad as slaveowners.
#ImmigrationAboveAll
You talk with a guilty conscience. If the shoe fits ? #GunRulesNow
What rule? Stop and frisk of suspicious-looking young black men?
Guns rule now. Pass laws fucking around, and find out.
Anyone who supports Biden's plan is personally responsible for every death or injury inflicted upon an unarmed victim of a crime.
What he is openly proposing is to decimate the Bill of Rights.
Remember, remember the eighth of November.
Zero points for fabrication.
Hollow points for leftists
All of the points of the pointy-headed Nadless the Nardless Nasty-NAZI sound pretty hollow to me!
It’s pretty telling that you only ever go after right leaning posters and never the people actively trying to curtail freedom.
Nadless the Nardless Nasty-NAZI constantly lusting after killing people who disagree with him is NOT trying to curtail freedom? And trying to "normalize" this killing-lust? Do you think that the freedom to keep on LIVING is simply irrelevant, or what? Or the freedom to keep on LIVING is important to protect, ONLY for right-wingers and fartilized HUMANS-ONLY egg smells?
Offhand, I am curious... Are the fartilized egg smells of left-wingers sacred, or should all be shot on sight?
Be nice, they can have the full metal.
Word.
158 days.
Was the use of the term decimate intentional? Because it literally would reduce the bill of rights by 1/10
Yes
Democratic Representative David Cicilline: “Spare me the bullshit about constitutional rights...”
Congressman Mondaire Jones (D-NY) : "Enough is enough. Enough of you telling us that school shootings are effective life when every other country like ours has virtually ended. Enough of you blaming mental illness then defunding mental health care in this country. Enough of your thoughts and prayers. Enough. Enough. You will not stop us from advancing the 'Protecting Our Kids' Act today," "You will not stop us from passing it in the House next week and you will not stop us. If the filibuster obstructs us, we will abolish it. If the Supreme Court objects, we will expand it. We will not rest until we have taken weapons of war out of circulation in our communities."
Luckily for America, the Real Americans have been taking names / lists for the last 10-12 years....... and these mooks ain't gonna like it in the future ......
Joe Biden and the democrat party are refusing to close the southern border to slow the illegal importation of fentanyl and other dangerous drugs that kill far more Americans that firearms. They are complicit in the deaths of over 70,000 Americans annually by their inaction on the border.
The inaction on fentanyl involves China as least much as Mexico, so Xiden won’t be touching that issue in any substantial way.
There are revenue streams to protect - - - - - - - - - -
It’s a sort of new triangle trade with “molasses -> rum -> slaves” replaced by “potoba bladders* -> fentanyl -> junkies everywhere”
* Mexican cartels are trading in endangered species (in this case a bladder from an endangered fish) in exchange for fentanyl precursor chemicals. Checkout borderlandbeat webpage for this and other assorted horrors,
That’s “totoaba”, actually.
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2016/08/mexican-cartels-traffick-drugs-humans.html
When are we going to do something about that horrible water drowning all those kids? I'm not going to drink any liquids until somebody addresses this issue.
Not even uisce beatha? The water of life?
http://dhmo.org/facts.html
Biden would be more amenable to guns if abortionists were shooting fetuses.
Excellent.
"Abort them all. Those that escape abortion shall be starved."
DNC plank
And the hypocritical reverse.
"The president implies that anyone who resists his agenda is complicit in the murder of --innocents-- (?babies?)."
Pro-Life's words almost exactly stated by Biden...
Lets try the title...
??Biden's?? Abortion Control Push Combines Slipperiness With Self-Righteous Certitude..
Yep; fits perfectly -- I've said it before and I'll say it again. There is nothing Republican about the Pro-Life Movement.
Roe v Wade was written by a Republican Supreme Court. The Catholic Church (Democrats Majority Religion) sponsored the Pro-Life Movement. Power-Mad RINO'S got left behind on a dangling "Progressive" initiative and it shows by their endless thirst for MORE, MORE, MORE Gov-Gun POWER in the people's life's.
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You've got a lot of 'leftist' in you. Ya know; the way you apparently think your personal stalking and bullying mentality makes any sort of counter-point especially when you can't even get the right person. You probably made that account yourself and thought it was 'woke' cool yeah 🙂 I see a lot of psychopaths on the left do that kind of propaganda making personal attacks. [WE] mob gangster mentality.
don't feed the Americahating far leftist troll ......
+1 West Point abortion.
If you're not behind Biden's gun proposals then you are complicit in the deaths of innocents.
That is obvious.
In what way?
I was complicit in the death of four innocent, unborn chickens and a pig at breakfast this morning.
If you don't want to outlaw the Higgs Boson you support mass murder.
Funn those behind bidens gun bans will be in front of some muzzles
Could be sarc, but more likely STUPID.
Remember a few years ago when religious leaders met in the White House to discuss gun violence?
From an article written by Lois Beckett
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/how-the-gun-control-debate-ignores-black-lives/80445/
(emphasis added)
(emphasis added)
So there was a program proven to reduce violent crime by more than half, and it is being ignored.
This is deliberate.
“Misery” is a sort of political plantation product, and it’s manufacture and display is very profitable for all sorts of rent-seekers, grifters and grant-writing academicians.
Richmond, Va, had a plan too. Project Exile simply enforced gun laws already on the books. But the program was halted because it was "racist".
Wiki: Project Exile shifted the prosecution of illegal technical gun possession offenses to federal court, where they carried a mandatory minimum sentence of five years in federal prison under the federal Gun Control Act of 1968, rather than in state court. Note that federal law (18 U.S. Code § 922(g) & 924) provides for a penalty of ten years in federal prison for being a "prohibited person", i.e., a convicted felon in possession of a firearm, as well as for falsifying information in order to obtain one, or furnishing a gun to a convicted felon.
Within the first year (1997–1998) Project Exile resulted in:[2]
372 persons indicted for Federal gun violations.
440 illegally possessed guns seized.
300 persons arrested or held in State custody.
222 arrestees (more than 74 percent) held without bond.
247 persons convicted.
196 persons sentenced to an average of 55 months of imprisonment.
During the first year of Project Exile (1998), homicides in Richmond declined 33%, for the lowest number since 1987, and armed robberies declined 30%. In 1999, homicides declined another 21%.[2] By 2007, homicides in Richmond were down to 57 compared to 122 in the year before Project Exile.
Amazing how the project help clean up the pox/poc in VA
So. anyone who drives a vehicle is complicit in the 43,000 traffic deaths last year, and anyone who drinks beer, wine, or spirits is complicit in the 14,000 of those deaths that involve alcohol.
Got it.
And if you didn’t wear a mask you were responsible for the millions of Covid deaths. Millions.
Imagine what you’re guilty of because of that Twinky.
Every death from obesity is upon your head if you're ever found in a McDonald's.
The gun laws are making zero common sense. At this point with children being slaughtered just shred the 2nd Amendment. If we can't keep children safe what is the point? If never changing gun rules means keeping the 2nd, then I say just get rid of it. I want children to be safe.
Which Amendment do you jettison to institute “common sense laws” on fentanyl deaths? The 4th and 5th sure, but which others?
I know it can be difficult, but stay on the correct topic.
Which laws do you want to create?
Just take all guns away from everyone except Military and Police. Shred the Second Amendment! If the Senate can't pass gun rules, take that freedom away. At this point the 2nd is murdering children. Vote out anyone who is not willing to compromise. If it is too difficult to figure out, get rid of it.
You going to volunteer to take away your neighbors guns?
Tell us how you see it playing out.
I will vote. That's all. The Government can pry the gun from your hands. You can't compromise. You want to be extreme. Let's go extreme.
You seem to have lost your way on the internet. You clearly want to be over at Vox or Slate, telling millions of your fellow lunkhead citizens what they can and cannot do.
Well, he's just:
Full.
Of.
Shit.
LMAO at this clown^
"Lets go extreme"
Not just "Lets go extreme", "All I'll do is vote. Let's go extreme"
Son, if we put extreme on the ballot, you've already relegated yourself to the "I didn't vote for Pat Buchanan, I swear!" camp.
Ok. Here's my extreme:
More feds will die than the guns they get.
More feds will die than the guns they get.
No, no, no - you don't get be extreme.
Just convince a majority of state legislatures to pass your constitutional amendment and you can start the door-to-door searches. Once you’ve done away with the fourth and fifth amendments (necessary for your door-to-door door kicking) we can look other bits of evidence.
You’re a cop, aren’t you?
You can't do math.
Just take all guns away from everyone except Military and Police.
You mean like the police who stood outside the school and prevented anyone from helping while the gunman inside indiscriminately killed children?
Despite your protestations you seem far less concerned about the children than you do about getting the guns.
If guns are gone. Problem solved. Children will be safe from gun murders.
If you just wished a tiny bit harder we would have world peace. I blame you.
Children will be safe from gun murders.
Let's just go ahead and assume that you can just wish guns exclusively into the hands of the noble military and the wise and benevolent police and so now you've saved children from gun murders, as long as the police and military can restrain themselves.
Do you now go back to sleep, unconcerned by other methods of murdering children?
What about all the black people literally being hunted by the cops? Including precious little children like Tamir Rice. How will they ever defend themselves?
Better hope the magic gun evaporation fairy shows up because that's the only way that's happening.
I always offer leftists the same thing. Being they seem to openly hate everything about the country, best they pack up and leave. Nothing preventing them from living elsewhere.
You said it yourself, guns aren't gone. They're in the hands of police and military. The deadliest mass shooting in Texas still happens. Ruby Ridge still happens. Waco still happens. Oklahoma City still happens. The OJ Simpson trial still happens. The ensuing riot still happens (doesn't turn out so well for the Rooftop Koreans). 9/11 still happens.
For over a year, I have been told by your side that the police habitually gun down unarmed Black men.
Now you want to take away everyone's guns except the police?
Why not let the Crips keep their guns as well?
For over a year, I have been told by your side that the police habitually gun down unarmed Black men.
In the "we need gun control" timeline, that doesn't happen.
Okay, what's your solution when psychos switch to knives?
The castrato Brit’s want to outlaw knives with points. No word yet about pointed sticks.
AirStrip One does have an appropriate answer to the ubiquitous Banana Attack-
https://youtu.be/F4PZXuk3TsM
Get up off of your damn knees.
You might want to read up on how safe children are when only military and police have guns.
"Vote out anyone who is not willing to compromise."
That word (compromise) doesn't mean what you think it does. As used by hoplophobes forever they think it means that we should gratefully give up some of our rights now instead of all of them. Of course, they'll come back for the others later.
Here's a compromise for you. I'll agree to free, instantaneous universal background checks. In return, all state gun laws are rescinded as well as the Hughes amendment.
As a 2nd Amendment absolutist I am against UBCs. But to get California's ridiculous laws and the Hughes amendment repealed I could live with it.
Well then. grow a pair and start the process to repeal it.
It has been done.
I get it.
You fear the street thug.
You fear the gangbanger.
Here is a dirty little secret about our Constitutional protections.
The street thug and gangbanger use them to facilitate their crimes.
They peaceably assemble to plan, plot, and prepare their robberies and drive-by shootings.
They peacefully bear arms to and from the scenes of robberies and drive-by shootings.
They use their freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures to conceal evidence that they committed, or are about to commit, a robbery or a drive-by shooting.
They use their right to a fair trial, their right to an attorney, their right to due process of law, to escape punishment for committing robberies and drive-by shootings.
They use their freedom from cruel and unusual punishment to avoid the punishment that they deserve for committing a robbery or a drive-by shooting, even if they are judged guilty consistently with their other rights.
Without the Constitution protecting these rights, the cops can judge street thugs and gangbangers guilty and give them the punishment that they deserve.
But what you think that the cops will only go after the street thug and the gangbanger?
What makes you think the cops will even go after the street thug and the gangbanger?
No, the cops are unlikely to go after the street thug and the gangbanger... Who might shoot back! Just like school-children-murderers might shoot back! It is FAR safer, and easier, AND more remunerative, to confiscate money, cars, and valuables from innocent travelers, at the airports and on the highways!
But what you think that the cops will only go after the street thug and the gangbanger?
What makes you think the cops will even go after the street thug and the gangbanger?
Because it will be entirely up to the cop to decide who is and who isn't a street thug and/or gangbanger.
How many rights is too many?
Right now the Gun Rights are WAY to many. The 2nd Amendment does not say to infinity and beyond.
The 2nd Amendment does not say to infinity and beyond.
What does it say?
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U R Dum
It's "dumb"
Learn about memes.
Methinks that unpossible for Troll Bones1
It's "dumb"
It's also "you," and "are."
*pats Bones1's head*
Autistic people don't like to be touched sir.
Sorry, I forgot my manners.
It depends on how hot the girl is.
Eat shit and die, slaver.
Actually it comes pretty fucking close,slaver. It says 'the rights of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED'. That is the only amendment that uses that phrase BTW. Obviously you don't understand English.
If you let go of that spoon, then sticking the pin back in when you get scared isn't going to do you any good.
"I want children to be safe."
Do away with rights against illegal search and seizures. I mean, we cannot allow people to plan attacks, right? Do away with cars. Plenty of kids die due to cars. In fact, people should be imprisoned in their homes with no furniture or any means of cooking. Have to save the kids.
There's a process for eliminating the 2nd Amendment. Have you tried that?
nope ......... even the 10%joe knows that process won't work for his Americahating party
I will supply the shredder if this stops Mass Murders.
It won't, but something tells me you'll supply the shredder anyway.
Why won't it. Let's hear your miracle theory.
https://www.npr.org/2019/05/28/727426277/2-killed-at-least-16-others-injured-in-japan-mass-stabbing
https://fas.org/irp/threat/terror_chron.html
https://abc7chicago.com/waukesha-christmas-parade-suspect-darrell-brooks-jr-wisconsin/11643476/
Violence will always exist. Stop acting like a delusional child.
Let's hear your miracle theory.
As Jesse adequately demonstrated for me, you don't need guns to commit mass murder.
This should be facially obvious.
"...This should be facially obvious."
Not at this level of STUPID.
Just like in Britian.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/13/several-killed-in-rare-mass-shooting-in-britain
You ever hear of September 11th, 2001?
Forgotten about the dead dancing grannies and little kid in Waukesha killed by the mass murdering Jeep Cherokee?
There's 400 million guns in the US 80-120 million gun owners. Getting rid of guns is the miracle theory. We also have huge land borders, which criminals can easily smuggle guns across. In addition, it doesn't take a lot of specialized tools to make guns, the British Sten Gun from WW2, a fully automatic submachine gun, can be made completely with parts bought at any hardware store. Also, do you realize what it takes to repeal an amendment? You think you could get that without provoking a revolt? Over half of states also have the right to bear arms in their state constitutions, so you'll also have to get those overturned. The only one who seems delusional is you.
as I always tell them, best they pack their bags and vote with their feet. There's always commiefornia or some other supposed utopia they can go to. But guns aint going away here.
Ah ... but the Kanukistanis and Castro, Jr. ...
Interestingly, the full auto firearms being used by gang bangers, esp in S CA, almost assuredly were smuggled across the border from Mexico. We send them our semi autos (e.g. Fast and Furious), and they send us their full auto assault rifles. Some are AKs, smuggled in from E Europe and the Middle East, and some are M16s/M4s, taken from or sold by the Mexican police and military. Weapons that we cannot legally buy or possess. Illegal for the gang bangers too, but what’s a weapons charge or two, when facing a murder rap too?
The reality is that guns are more profitable, per ounce, to smuggle into this country than some drugs, and esp pot.
not to forget the $30B in guns that 10%Joe left in afganistan that are showing up in America
STFU, asshole.
I'm glad laws against owning guns will work in ways that laws against murder did not.
Biden and the democrats have no interest in bipartisanship or passing any gun control legislation for that matter. They only want to gain political talking points and demonize anyone who opposes them. That’s pretty evident by their actions and Biden’s statements.
This statement is just useless. You get 0 points.
We don’t care about your point system.
This statement is just useless. You get 0 points.
Oh noes!
You're a fucktarded, knuckle dragging shitpanzee. Go play chicken with a freight train until you win.
Did Joe Friday reregister with a different sock. Same level of stupidity.
Your comment makes Jim Eagle look like Jim Dougle Eagle!
Biden and the democrats have no interest in bipartisanship or passing any gun control legislation for that matter. They only want to gain political talking points and demonize anyone who opposes them. That’s pretty evident by their actions and Biden’s statements.
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Just more nonsense w/o facts.
I disagree, but not being the one who said it I'm not sure why you're on my case about it . . . .
You haven't offered anything even approaching facts and you criticize others about lacking facts? Completely delusional aren't you?
"Just more nonsense w/o facts."
Yes, as a steaming pile of lefty shit, that is exactly what you've offered.
This is backwards. The 13% illegality is the minority who will not have more trouble getting a gun; making it harder will affect the 87% who are legal now.
Post it.
It?
Go look at this chart from the CDC -https://www.cdc.gov/vitalsigns/firearm-deaths/index.html#
Not the same “it” as in “[a]ccording to a recent National Institute of Justice report on public mass shootings from 1966 through 2019, just 13 percent of the perpetrators obtained guns through illegal transactions”.
But you knew that.
A whole bunch of equity nonsense. Notice how they don't have the actual numbers, just rates based on race and class?
The CDC is engaging in social engineering.
The CDC has done that all through COVID, tending to put forth rates and relative risk. Never anything that can actually be compared or analyzed further. Never any raw numbers. They put out numbers in whatever form seems to be most useful to them in covering up and obscuring capability to question them. If COVID deaths went from 1 person to 2 people, they would say "100% increase in COVID deaths." and never put out the basic numbers. But if you wanted to try to compute IFR, the would put out the death count, but obscure the infected counts.
Go look at this chart from the CDC .
The same CDC that says more than twice as many people die from alcohol-related causes as from firearms? You saying you're willing to repeal the 21st Amendment to save all those lives?
Clearly bones wants someone to dox him
What is dox? Assumption is why we are in this gun murder mess. I am her.
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This is backwards. The 13% illegality is the minority who will not have more trouble getting a gun; making it harder will affect the 87% who are legal now.
As with all things legislative the Devil is in the details. If it's a 20 question survey and 10 correct answers gets you a pass, the 87% doesn't incur any penalty in increasing the survey to 40, 400, or 4,000 questions. It does make it a slightly more significant barrier to illegal gun owners as they have to answer more questions but, paradoxically, it makes it easier for them (if it matters at all) as they only have to answer a few questions rather than being denied outright. It does however smack of post hoc/Texas sharpshooter hubris. It doesn't really matter how many questions are on the gun control survey if the shooter kills their mother, steals her guns, and goes on a rampage. I'm dubious of the efficacy of adding a "Would you kill your mother to get a gun?" question on any checks.
The president implies that anyone who resists his agenda is complicit in the murder of innocents.
That tactic only works if you give a crap what a senile old serial liar thinks about anything.
I agree with our President. I watched his speech.
You like pudding too? How about sniffing women's hair?
"I agree with our President..."
Hint for you, steaming pile of lefty shit: No one cares what you think,
Eat shit and die; make your family proud.
The Act Blue children are getting worse.
Yes, I saw your earlier comments and I had no doubt that you were the sort of person to be led by a senile old serial liar.
I thought I could have a true gun conversation here. I was wrong. Too many conspiracy theories. The neo-nazis' hang out here too. I will vote against your imagination mouthing. I like facts.
No you didn't. You thought you could whine like an emotional child and gain acceptance. This is a libertarian (at least the comments) site.
Go fuck yourself Nazi.
“ I will vote against your imagination mouthing.”
Not an English speaker, just a 0.50$ army private.
^Doesn't know what an actual Nazi is just uses to to label anyone who dare disagrees with him. My mistake, even Joe Friday and Tony are smarter than this puerile nimrod.
Yeah - I think this is a new interloper.
Question is, how did it find its way here? Do the normies even know what Reason is?
It saw the headline, is my guess, and followed the link. There's no shortage of dipshits who show up to share their ignorant and stupid opinions on topics on the progressives/left-leaning sorts believe that all must be in lockstep with their worldview. Some stay as semi-permanent or permanent fixtures, not comprehending that they are mocked for their inability to back their arguments with facts.
Libertarian? What a fucking joke
Is this why you support taking books out of schools?
Are we talking about democrats here?
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/banned-adventures-huckleberry-finn/
Schools don't have infinitely sized libraries dummy. Lol.
I was a Libertarian before you were thought about as sperm !
You never have been one. You were hanging out with leftist friends one day and thought it would be edgy to claim you were one. You never actually were one.
"I was a Libertarian before you were thought about as sperm !"
We have here a steaming pile of lefty shit who is also a lair! turd, carc, jeff, barndyhit and others come to mind.
Yeah, nothing says libertarian like taking away the right to self defense.
"I was a Libertarian"
I'll take "Shit That Never Happened" for $1,000
Your just another Republican neo-nazi who cares more about your gun freedoms than children living. So fuck you and messed up priorities.
Lol. Hilarious. More emotion please.
As an aside...
Did you know Nazis actually banned private gun ownership for most of Germany when they took power?
Nazis never supported gun rights, you brain-dead asshole. One of the first things Hitler did after the Reichstag bent over and let him legislate by decree was banning private gun ownership. Made the holocaust far easier to pull off.
-jcr
Yet you’re pro infanticide.
The only child on this blog are you dumb Republicans who read the internet and believe every thing you read is fact. How pathetic you all are.
Weird non sequitur full of emotion. Such logic. Such facts. How wet is your pillow?
It’s not an English speaker, seems like an agitprop dope.
I am yes in agreements with your.
Depends on how much he's had to drink.
You’re a silly faggot, aren’t you?
With your church propaganda web sites and Republican delusions made up by any Joe blow without any facts.
Joe Biden does indeed blow.
Why don't you all just move to the Middle East so you can combine your religion with polite and kill each other over religious differences.
So many facts. Such structured argumentation. Lol.
Now I am whining ! You all make me want to throw up !
Rage harder sweetie =)
Your emotional outburst proves you were not looking for facts or a discussion.
I was going to point out to him that his first comment in this discussion was:
Bones1
June.3.2022 at 6:26 pm
You talk with a guilty conscience. If the shoe fits ? #GunRulesNow
in response to OBL quoting "The president implies that anyone who resists his agenda is complicit in the murder of innocents."
But then I saw this string of incoherent fury and decided that this is not a person who's likely to develop any sense of self awareness.
And he MUTES the thread-shitting troll. Which a very rare thing for me.
And take your Christianity and shove it up your ass! You make Christians look like lunatics !
I'm agnostic. Not even a Christian. Kind of a weird aside there. But most leftists that come here are fucking bigots anyways.
Did you get this talking point of Christian terrorists from Sony Hostin of the view? That isn't a libertarian show, you probably shouldn't cite it.
Agnostic here too. When I tell a prog that after they spew some anti Christian bigotry they have no idea what to say.
" I like facts."
I bet you have a "I love science!" shirt too. You seem like the type
I immediately thought of the “I like turtles” kid.
I thought I could have a true gun conversation here.
I'm curious which of your comments you believe was soliciting a "true gun conversation."
Can you read back through your comments on this page and let me know which ones in your mind are conversation starters rather than random flailing attacks on an enemy tribe?
Your spittle-flecked responses to Jesse right here might be a good place to start.
Man, how come only I triggered him lol. I just got here.
Makes me think he is a sock.
I don't think he's a regular - sounds more like a drive-by progressive who thought he'd go piss in the faces of the rubes and finally snapped when you pointed out that he doesn't actually have an argument to make and is just pissing in people's faces.
He seems to have stormed off in a rage now, which is a shame because I was finding his schtick kind of amusing.
Killing an hour watching kid at an indoor jungle gym place. Hope he comes back.
he absolutely seems like a prog who is probably drunk and thought he was gonna go "out-logic" some "nazis" and unfortunately he seemed to be of the middle to upper end up the IQ spectrum for a prog...which is definitely lacking for most reasonable conversations outside of postmodern "everything is a construct" garbage.
No the Neo-Nazis are in Ukraine, being armed by the US government by the way.
You are fucking lying. You came here to troll. You haven't even attempted to enter anything close to an intellectually honest discussion. No one is stupid enough to believe you came here for anything but to troll. Run along with your room temperature IQ.
Instead of these arguments over gun laws, why son't we just ,make it illegal to shoot children? Other than your own, I mean, I wouldn't want to be mistaken for one of those pro-lifer loonies.
Since something liek 60% of all gun deaths in the country are suicides, I propose a common-sense gun control law making suicide by gun a capital offense. Facing the needle will really make a dent in those numbers.
Fuck all you Republicans and your selfish ideas with religion swirled on top ! Fuck your theories and your no common sense bullshit! Your a bunch of sick ducks ! I am a Democrat for over 50 years and you fuckers are clueless !
Bones1
June.3.2022 at 8:17 pm
I thought I could have a true gun conversation here. I was wrong.
Bones1
June.3.2022 at 8:26 pm
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I was a Libertarian before you were thought about as sperm !
So you lied here. Called it. Just another piece of shit lying leftist speaking from emotion. Lol.
I am a Democrat for over 50 years and you fuckers are clueless !
I don't believe you're a day over 25. Prove me wrong.
Nah, I believe it. There are 75 year old utter fucktards as well as 18 year old ones.
We kinda figured you were a blind partisan hack. Thank you for confirming it.
If he was, he would fit right in here.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults.
Not a one of his posts is worth refuting; like turd he lies and never does anything other than lie. If something in one of Joe Asshole’s posts is not a lie, it is there by mistake. Joe Asshole lies; it's what he does.
Joe Asshole is a psychopathic liar; he is too stupid to recognize the fact, but everybody knows it. You might just as well attempt to reason with or correct a random handful of mud as engage Joe Asshole.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults; Joe Asshole deserves nothing other.
Fuck off and die, Asshole.
Good arguments. You've changed my worldview entirely.
Thought you were a libertarian before I was thought of as sperm.
And take your Christianity and shove it up your ass! You make Christians look like lunatics !
Who mentioned Christianity? Who are you even talking to?
The voices are loud. He is raging because he knows this isn't what Brock pays him for. Probably going to go hungry tonight.
Since Trump I will never vote for a Republican. Your all too stupid! Read definions about parties. Go get a clue!
Your all too stupid!
It's "you're."
I want to know what definions are.
They're like minions, but def - it's a diversity thing.
Thought they may be new funions
Library, candlestick, let's say professor plum.
Did I get the clue?
How is Trump worse than FJB?
Mean tweets
So fucking mean. They made people cry and shout into the sky and then post it to Twitter.
Still literally shaking here.
"Since Trump I will never vote for a Republican."
You've been a Democrat for 50 years. Does not seem Trump was the cause of that.
Bones1 Is a staff member trolling us.
I'd say I should be ashamed of Reason, but truthfully, this is what downward spiral looks like.
Nailed it.
One last comment. Look up above and read your comments. I am not a troll. No one is paying me. I WAS trying to start a gun conversation. I am 59 years old woman I was a Libertarian then changed to Democrat. But you have already put conspiracy about who I am. Really people? I'm just an American voter. I'm gone from this website. You ARE truly pathetic.
You never attempted a conversation. Lol. You raged in emotion devoid of logic. Also based in ignorance.
And you were never a libertarian.
"I am 59 years old woman"
I hope you have a biology degree to make such a bold proclamation
So, a democrat since 9 years old? Going to say bullshit, like the rest of the shit it has written.
Woman? Are you also a biologist?
Okay fine I'll bite; how do you propose to repeal the 2nd Amendment? What's your argument as to why and how do you intend to implement it?
You should ask her why gun violence exists in countries without the second amendment.
Acting like it is a catch all solution to end child deaths is just naive.
But that would ruin the narrative.
The most sickening thing you said is that you vote
... and as Democrat for more than the 50 years, more than one of the times at each elections.
"One last comment. Look up above and read your comments. I am not a troll..."
Probably true, just a fucking lefty ignoramus, willing to deprive others of their rights out of your abysmal ignorance.
Eat shit and die, shitpile.
You didn't try to do anything but start shit. So, you say you have been a Democrat for over 50 years above, now you say you're a 59 yo woman. So that means you were a libertarian in 3rd grade???? Can't even keep your lies straight can you?
Not a single response to a comment.
Yes, I'm an asshole regarding assholes such as this, but unless I've been muted by that asshole, it usually gets a reply or two.
Joe Asshole is a good bet, based on evidence.
"I am 59 years old woman I was a Libertarian then changed to Democrat."
"I am a Democrat for over 50 years"
So you were a Libertarian until you were 9, then you became a Democrat as a hobby until you could vote 9 years later, then you turned pro. Yep, you sound like a typical Democrat to me. I believe you!
I’d say he’s a twenty-something ESL from India. He’s also just a troll. DFTT.
You can’t get better comedy at any price .
"...I am 59 years old woman I was a Libertarian then changed to Democrat..."
You might be X years old and you might be a woman, but other than that that, you are full of shit.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
"I am 59 years old woman I was a Libertarian then changed to Democrat."
You've been a Democrat since you were, apparently, nine years old. How did libertarianism lose you so early?
Ill give the current gun grabbers the same deal I will give the WEF billionaires who say I need to do everything possible and change my life to prevent climate change...
"you first, then ill think about it"
So long as their solution is restrictions and carbon taxes on everyone else, and cramping the lifestyles of the non-elite, but private jets, steak, and yachts for them...ill wait until they go austere to even think about taking them seriously. One of those billionaires probably burns in a year more than my family will in a lifetime with their private jet travel alone.
Same with Biden, Kamala, Pelosi, really any of these leftists who's solution is banning guns...give up yours first, and same for your security guards. If I have to give up my guns but you are all allowed to not only own guns, but are surrounded by a squad that are all packing...sorry, I cant take you seriously.
Yes. Trudeau's people will never have problems getting guns. Neither will the 'important' people or the military.
It will only be average people who would be disarmed.
I propose a compromise. I will give up 1 gun for 1 progressive suicide, so long as I can pick the Progressive
Did you start a GoFundMe to stay well stocked?
Dude, I'm sure we can find enough volunteers. I'd clean out 90% of my safe for that deal and consider it worth every fucking penny.
Of course, I'd also be tempted to trade my AR for an apple crate full of throwaways. I mean, if I can *get* 20 or 30 for one...
Logic? Economics? Fuck that. Promise them one ghost gun for two suicides and call it a day.
I'll even go along with a registry. Ghost gun *grabs dry-erase marker* serial No. cfec30e8-e3c6-11ec-8fea-0242ac120002 is available to owner designated by the first two progressives to off themselves.
Biden was, is and continues to be a Two Faced Double Talker. And that Virginia is the beginning, the middle and the oh so sad ending of the story.
Anyone who supports Biden's plan is personally responsible for every death or injury inflicted upon an unarmed victim of a crime.
If this were about saving lives, Biden and Democrats would: (1) strictly enforce existing gun control laws (right now, they just let "non-violent criminals" go), (2) strengthen security in schools.
But this is not about saving lives at all. Politicians realize that the American people increasingly despise them and their policies, so they surround themselves with armed guards, try to disarm the population, and spy on Americans. That's why Democrats and progressives are pushing so hard to kill the 1A and 2A.
“Enough, enough,” U.S. President Joe Biden exclaimed over and over Thursday night, as he delivered an impassioned address to the nation imploring the U.S. Congress to take action against gun violence after mass shootings he said had turned schools and other everyday places into “killing fields.”
If legislators fail to act, he warned, voters should use their “outrage” to turn it into a central issue in November’s midterm elections.
Speaking at the White House, Biden acknowledged the stiff political headwinds as he sought to drive up pressure on Congress to pass stricter gun limits after such efforts failed following past attacks.
When he advocates Hunter being imprisoned for lying on a gun application and unlawful disposal of a firearm, I will take him seriously.
The Nazi's (National Socialists) want more gun control???
What's new?
How Nazism grows.....
This time it'll fix it. This time it'll fix it. This time it'll fix it. This time it'll fix it. This time it'll fix it. This time it'll fix it. This time it'll fix it.
It may be Joe Biden's mouth that's moving, but it's very much still Block Insane Yomomma's hand that's shoved all the way up his ass moving it.
"The president implies that anyone who resists his agenda is complicit in the murder of innocents."
Those are the consequences you twit, and given the record of our country compared to other similar countries - large and prosperous - the answer couldn't be more clear. You can choose to accept that because you think a now moot amendment - there is no constitutionally defined "militia" and hasn't been one for well over a hundred years - is worth more than those innocent lives, but you cannot pretend the trade off is the cause.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults.
Not a one of his posts is worth refuting; like turd he lies and never does anything other than lie. If something in one of Joe Asshole’s posts is not a lie, it is there by mistake. Joe Asshole lies; it's what he does.
Joe Asshole is a psychopathic liar; he is too stupid to recognize the fact, but everybody knows it. You might just as well attempt to reason with or correct a random handful of mud as engage Joe Asshole.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults; Joe Asshole deserves nothing other.
Eat shit and die, Asshole.
Disarm the Ukraine's... Russia will thank you for it.
Then the take-over won't cost any "innocent lives"...
Some things are more important than saving lives dumbsh*t.
I.e. Hey, How about the [WE] mob just locks everyone up in a steal-bared bubble for their own safety.... /s
TJJ:
Ukraine -
Citizens are permitted to own non-fully automatic rifles and shotguns as long as they are stored properly when not in use.
Handguns are illegal except for target shooting, those who hold concealed carry permits, and handguns awarded for service.[1] Concealed carry licenses are available, but are not normally issued unless a threat to life is present and can be proven.[2]
A license is required to own firearms, and a citizen may be issued a license if that person:
is 25 years of age for rifle ownership, 21 years of age for smoothbore weapon ownership, 18 years of age for cold or pneumatic weapon ownership;
has no criminal record;
has no history of domestic violence;
has no mental illness or history of mental illness;
has a good reason (target shooting, hunting, collection).
Once a license is issued, all guns must be kept unloaded and in a safe.
Because of the lack of statutes regarding firearm ownership, authorities have great discretion when giving firearm licenses. The president and ministers often give guns to members of the elite, while making it hard for ordinary people to obtain them. It is estimated that more than 50,000 guns have been issued as presents from authorities.[3]
Gun owners are required by order to renew their licenses and registration of their guns every three years. Failure to comply will result in revocation of the license, as well as confiscation of guns. There is a 10-round magazine limit for rifles.[4]
Off to Ukraine with you Joe...
What are you doing in the USA if you can't handle the freedom?
da, comrade .......
Sullum might be the best gun rights journalist in the country.
World's tallest midget?
In plain English, Biden is a double talking, lying windbag regarding his firearms related blather along with the general run of his commentary and proposals..
At some point a pompous liar becomes simply tiresome. Joe passed that point for me long ago. He can blather but he no longer persuades.
The law is supposed to fail in it's stated objective, the fix will be more laws, followed by even more laws.
Simple minds demand simple answers.
Oh really Dizzle. So when have you been organized and trained by Congress as the Constitution stipulates? When was the last time that occurred, because I missed it ?
Joe F do you still get to keep your nail gun in your world's best contract job?