While Dying Children Called 911 for Help, 19 Uvalde Police Waited in the Hallway. For 45 Minutes.
"There were 19 officers in there," said a police spokesperson. "In fact, there were plenty of officers to do whatever needed to be done."

With the shooter trapped in a classroom, the Uvalde police considered him "a barricaded subject" and believed "there were no more children at risk," Steven McCraw, director of the Texas Department of Public Safety, said in a press conference on Friday. When pushed, he admitted that this assessment was wrong.
It was catastrophically wrong.
In fact, while 19 police officers dawdled in the hallway, the children trapped in the classroom with the shooter frantically cried for help and called 911, explicitly stating that some were dead but others were still alive. As that was happening, the Uvalde police not only stood back—they actively prevented a Border Patrol tactical unit from trying to enter the classroom.
According to the most recent timeline of the shooting, police entered the school around 11:35 a.m., just two minutes after the gunman, 18-year-old Salvador Ramos. By 12:03 p.m., at least 19 officers had gathered in the hallway near the classroom. The Border Patrol tactical unit arrived at the school between noon and 12:10 p.m., but the Uvalde Police Department prevented these officers from storming the classroom until just before 1:00 p.m.
"There were 19 officers in there," said McCraw. "In fact, there were plenty of officers to do whatever needed to be done, with one exception: The incident commander inside believed they needed more equipment and more officers to do a tactical breach at that point."
That commander's erroneous belief that the active threat to children had passed is not merely wrong, it is obscene: The still-living children repeatedly alerted law enforcement to their dramatically unsafe situation.
A timeline of 911 calls made by students. https://t.co/K0dTwnreMx pic.twitter.com/CID9Cd8zOc
— Samuel Oakford (@samueloakford) May 27, 2022
As sickening as it is, this is worth repeating: With the children wounded, bleeding, dying, and frantically—quietly—calling for help, the police stood by, waiting for even more assistance. They told the Border Patrol to hold off, and they actively restrained parents outside the school who begged them to help and even volunteered to do so themselves.
>> @ShimonPro's first Q at the press conference: "You say there were 19 officers gathered in the hallway or somewhere. What efforts were made to try and break through that door? You say it was locked. What efforts were the officers making?" The awful answer: "None at that time." pic.twitter.com/qM1liHrY2e
— Brian Stelter (@brianstelter) May 27, 2022
The public is still learning the truth of what actually happened on Tuesday. But based on what is currently known, it is hard to imagine a more appalling response from law enforcement. In fact, the word appalling doesn't even do this calamity justice. The police failed so completely, so utterly, so pathologically during those key 45 minutes—undoubtedly the longest 45 minutes of the fourth-graders' lives—that one wonders how such failure is even possible.
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that one wonders how such failure is even possible.
I don't.
It's government, it's bureaucracy, and it's the crowd effect -- someone else will take care of it. Witness the one cop who responded to a call from his wife by abandoning his haircut and going on-campus to get kids clear.
Every single one of those deadbeat useless cops should be fired, lose their pensions, and be remembered forever after as the 19 deadbeats.
HE BORROWED A SHOTGUN FROM HIS BARBER.
Texas, motherfuckers!
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That would likely be a illegal transfer here in New Jersey. Better kids should die, than someone should fail to get the state’s permission to give a gun to someone else, without a mandatory background check!
take the "illegally tansferred gun". wade in there and take out the perp.
If charged for the "illegal transfer" of the twelvebore, let the jury decide. My strong bet is there is NO WAY they won't aquit.
"...Every single one of those deadbeat useless cops should be fired, lose their pensions, and be remembered forever after as the 19 deadbeats."
Henceforth 'celebrated' as "The Cowards of Uvalde".
I was thinking "Poltroons of Uvalde".
"Pusillanimous Poltroons of Uvalde"?
I suppose 19 children murdered while 19 cowardly cops stood by and abetted the slaughter by actively interfering with parents trying to stop it is a relatively small price to pay to really hammer the fuck home the need for armed teachers, since if any of the teachers had been armed, the cowards wouldn't have been able to prevent them from rescuing the children, since it would mean the cops would have to actually risk going into the building before the massacre had finished.
Eggs and omelettes, after all, or so I'm told. Seems pretty rough on the families though, not to mention the kids.
What exactly do the fucking cops do? Harass and kill civilians seems to be their only MO - well, besides of course raising revenue from traffic violations. Oh and legalized stealing via asset forfeiture. Seriously, during Covid, there was no cops in sight - ever. We handled our business with petty thieves ourselves, the rest of society went on perfectly fine. It’s not like the cops are gonna stop the petty thieves anyway. They come, make a report and then nothing gets done.
So keep up the good… work? Whatever. Cops suck.
if armed and trained adult staff had been allowed at that school, the perp never would have gone in there in the first place. He'd KNOW he'd get taken out before his second or third shot sould be discharged, this making his sick mission an EPIC FAIL
The cops don't show up or do anything when needed, crime is skyrocketing because bail is racist or something, and the people in charge of the fedgov are explicitly calling for more rioting and the literal murder of their political opposition.
I don't think many people are going to be to keen to disarm.
"I don't think many people are going to be to keen to disarm."
This is an understatement.
Gun sales will soar but this time with Hispanics. Blacks are already on board. Thing is, ammo is hard to find these days at reasonable prices
It's getting a little better. We'll see how long that lasts. I started making my own, but primers are still pretty hard to come by and expensive when you can find them.
I was just about to say exactly this. Maybe it's time to start a little primer manufacturing business.
Supply and demand. It's the real law of the land.
I will bet there are over 100 federal forms and permissions you will need to manufacture primers. And they will all be stonewalled by democrat bureaucrats.
Thing is, ammo is hard to find these days at reasonable prices
Which has been the case for like a decade. What's up with that? Is there something keeping new ammunition factories from opening, or has new gun ownership just been accelerating all that time?
Starting with Emperor Hussein, the feds have been buying up guns and especially ammunition to keep them from citizens.
> Is there something keeping new ammunition factories from opening
Democrats?
I mean, I've had the exact same thought and it's really the only thing that makes any sense. When it had just been a year or two, I could see not wanting to invest, but at this point it seems like a pretty guaranteed winner.
both. New envirofreak rules make working with lead and other involved cheimcals very difficult. FedGov ARE buying trillions of rounds of ammo, and have been for a decade. The kinyun saw well to that. The reqeuirements for hazardous explosive manufacture are steep but not unattainable. Permits to operate such businesses are harder to get these days because of the high exolosive factor. Some of the rawmaterials are dear and hard to get, Suppy chain issues.
BUT.. it can be done. The machinery to perform the manufacture is not cheap, but when the product is now selling for so much, that can easily be dealt with. Main issue is the crazy storage issues imposed by BATFE for wich products. Doable, but takes quite a bit of land for buffer zones", and specified capacity limits for storage volume of different classes of product. Can't have more than specified quantity of each class of explosive in the same storage space, and minimum distances separating each storage enclosure. I know guys dealing in fireworks, and these ARE issues. If I had a pile of cash I'd explore the requirements and costs of going into that business, though. No question I could sell as much as I could produce.
When seconds count, police are right outside the door with their thumbs ......in their pockets.
Yeah, tell me not to own a gun but to instead just call law enforcement if I hear someone breaking into my house. That ship has not just sailed, but it went off the edge of the earth never to be seen again.
Go on any of the lefty echo chamber websites like the Washington Post etc and all you'll see in the comments is idiots screaming that we need to ban 'assault weapons', increase the waiting period for a gun to 6 months, or even completely outlaw all civilian ownership of firearms (um...2nd amendment anyone?) - if this incident showed me anything it's that you certainly can't rely on the police to swoop in and save the day...but these knuckleheads apparently see things a little differently than I do
This incident shows quite clearly that if you want your kid's lives protected, you do NOT rely on cops. They will first make sure none of them suffers an injury.
Knuckleheads will knucklehead. guaranteed.
It is firmly established science that mass shooters are not _deterred_ by the prospect of being killed in the act, but that the exact reverse applies. It's murder-_suicide_ they're committing, and the latter part is key: the less likely they are to be killed in the act, the fewer mass shootings/stabbings/whatever.
If you want to prevent mass shootings, rather than stop ongoing ones, it's best to make sure that potential shooters know they will be arrested and jailed for life rather than killed in the act.
Nope. Their "prize" is a high body count. Deny them that on regular basis and the fad will fade into the sunset. The ONLY thing that will increase the likelihood this will happen is to have armed and traine school staff ready, willing, able to take out the perp when the body count is in lo single digits. Its been proven.
Compare the Sandy Hook elementary school incident with the West Freeway Baptist Church incident, and the Clackamas Town Centre Mall incident, three days before Scammy Crooks. Two victims in each of the above incidents before perp was deactivated. WHO remembers them? Almost nobody. WHY? No high body count. Two is a common number in car crashes, not even newsworthy on a national scale. Both were stopped by private citizens, armed, skilled, ready, and present. The press have forgotten them both. Look them up.
I agree the best way to stop these things is to have armed people in the scene who can respond directly. But, I'm not sure how much "fame" factors in considering how many of them commit suicide rather than stay alive long enough to enjoy any fame.
^This. More often than not, the perp's escape is via suicide. The worst thing is being caught and spending a lifetime under confinement and control by the society they hate, not to mention the magnitude of guilt they may or may not be capable of feeling.
They told the Border Patrol to hold off
Can't have the Border Patrol be heroes, that's bad for the narrative. Just let the kids die.
Yeah, small town Texas police departments are *infamous* for their leftwing political orientation . . . .
Did you have a point? Or just slinging bullshit?
https://twitter.com/FischerKing64/status/1529979690210930688
If you wage a war on cops for over a decade, make it impossible to do the job, smear them as racists, don’t be surprised if good cops leave, and potentially good cops never sign up. There will be all kinds of externalities.
The cops are the states enforcers, and the state gets the cops it needs to enforce the laws it wants to enforce.
For example, all the cops that refused to enforce lockdowns were removed and replaced by cops that were fine with enforcing lockdowns.
True. And also if your force is in fact racist, brutal and treats the public like enemies of the state that they can steal from with impunity while getting to dress up like soldiers and play soldier in armored vehicles, potentially good cops never sign up.
Let's rephrase that truthfully, Mr. Disinformation Fudge Boy:
If cops are trained and incentivized to chase speeders to seize civil assets, shoot chihuahuas, throw flash-bangs through windows, and gang up on sleeping innocents pegged by lying snitches ....
... why the hell would you expect them to show any actual bravery in any actual dangerous situation?
"If you wage a war on cops for over a decade, make it impossible to do the job, smear them as racists, don’t be surprised if good cops leave, and potentially good cops never sign up."
I'm sorry I don't buy this. This is Texas. These people are in small town, rural community. The type of place where in fact the people fly their blue-line American flags and wave at the cops when they drive by.
The chief of police, Daniel Rodriguez has been in that position since 1997. This has been through multiple administrations in the county, including Republican and Democrat leaders.
Government failed these children, their families, and the people of Uvalde. We need to resist the urge to pigeon-hole every single event into the greater political kulture warz. It wasn't caused by BLM or other asshats in urban blue zones. It happened because when push comes to shove, Government generally promises much and delivers very little. It demands our obedience and fails to serve us.
The lesson to be learned is that citizens can not and must not rely on someone else to provide for our life, liberty or defense. It is our own responsibility and every time we leave it in the hands of an appointed or elected bureaucrat, we risk disaster.
As far as I know, it is not the job of law enforcement to "save" people. Think about it... if it was actually part of the job description, every police department would have been sued out of existence long ago for not saving everyone. Basically, their job is to mop up after a crime and pursue the law breaker. Because it used to be tradition for cops to try to save people, the public got used to the idea and still think it's a thing. But apparently it's no longer a thing. This is why we need to be prepared, with effective tools, to defend ourselves and our children.
This is why we need point out at every opportunity that police have no duty to protect you -- it's up to you.
Shoot somebody in self defense and the cops will arrest you. And if the assailant you shoot is the right color, the government will ensure your life is ruined.
Not in Texas!
Does Austin count?
It's worse than that. Not only is it not their job to save people but it's not their job to prevent or prosecute crime either. Their job is to maintain public order on behalf of the state.
Most police do this remarkably well including this lot here. They even managed to keep the Border Patrol in order for a while.
A) The police are the first to tell us that they are here to "protect us". "Protect and serve" is in several PD mottos. The whole "Thin Blue Line" nonsense is specifically constructed to insinuate that they are standing between us and the bad guys.
B) The idea that they could be sued for not doing their jobs is not terribly worrisome to me. It is a travesty that the courts have protected them from even gross dereliction of duty in this regard.
c) I would love to protect my kids, but I can also expect the people who carry guns around all day do the same, especially since they make claims to do so.
True. According to multiple SCOTUS decisions, police legally don't have to lift a finger to help you or respond to your 911 calls. It's insane. We can only rely on ourselves, especially after these last few years that showed that while police don't have to help us, they'll readily oppress us under their heel for the government as they did during unconstittutional covid restrictions.
“Alex, the answer is “anarcho-tyranny.”
Awwwww
Sorry..you didn't phrase it in the form of a question...what did you wager? All of it...that will take you to $0"
Defund Public Schools.
Yep. Then you end up with low IQ cowards or bullies. Take your pick.
Each time I think about how long these "law enforcement officers" stood outside the school, doing not only nothing to rescue these children, but stopping parents from trying to do so themselves, I become physically sick to my stomach. All the while they were listening to the gun shots and the sounds of the children's screams, and being told of the 911 calls coming in from children asking for help.
Every single one of these cops should be fired with no retirement pay. There are a lot of job openings at dollar stores and restaurants. They can go work there.
"If you wage a war on cops for over a decade, make it impossible to do the job, smear them as racists, don’t be surprised if good cops leave, and potentially good cops never sign up. "
If you have a system that selects lazy, racist, violent, crooks as cops, don't be surprised if we spend a decade pointing out that they're lazy, racist, violent, and fucking awful at the job.
The simple, observable fact is that police departments are cliques full of the stupid and lazy, sitting by while their colleagues who are actively breaking the law steal, murder, and deal drugs.
https://twitter.com/raquellrussell/status/1530262839537147904
The police will breach the doors of private homes in the middle of the night to confiscate drugs, but not to save the lives of elementary school children.
^This
And by the way, another bunch of smoke screen being put up was that the police were flummoxed by a steel door.
Don't buy it.
Here is a steel door with an extra reinforcing drop bar being breached in 1:07:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vLDCJk3wNk
They could have breached that door less than a minute. They chose not to.
Why would a school district install a door impenetrable by law enforcement? As this crisis shows, once a bad actor gets inside, the impenetrable door will prevent anyone from assisting the hostages...
Let's not forget, the school/community chose to keep the side doors to the school unlocked.
It was not impenetrable to anyone who was willing to try.
Airline cockpit doors?
Yeah I heard them trying to make an excuse of 'we had to wait for keys', and my first thought was - what, Uvalda police and the Uvalda fire department have never in their lives heard of a Halligan bar? Gimme a freaking break
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halligan_bar
what's crazy is the perp didn't have to breach any doors, he walked right in! WTF were the administrators of that school thinking leaving the doors unlocked when the jackass was standing outside shooting randomly at bystanders, the school building etc for 12 minutes? They had plenty of time to at least make sure the doors were shut and locked but failed in even the most basic of tasks
They could have just gotten a key (like they ended up doing) at any point. They weren't even trying to gain access to the room the easy way.
Because breaching doors of homes late at night isn't actually dangerous. That's just a lie they tell the courts so they can play tacticool. When push comes to shove, police are institutionally cowards, and those who are not personally cowards follow cowards' orders to a fault.
This.
https://twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/status/1530237453801603072
Tired of people acting like Texas law enforcement didn’t spring into action to save those children. They armored up and brought out the MRAP and went in there ready for battle.
Oh wait. This was what they did to a bar that tried to serve some beer during COVID lockdowns.
Everything's bigger in Texas, even the cops.
"tbf to those guys, they didn't necessarily want to bring the MRAP, it was just the only vehicle they fit into"
FATALITY
Shots. Fired.
It *was* a Fat-ality.
Again, in the context of letting the incident commander, who seems to have violated policy and made several bad choices, fry, you're one of the 19 cops in the hallway. You know the policy, you're set to go hot but, apparently, can't breach the door. Do you go berserk trying with the knowledge that some of the other 18 douchebags in the hallway are going to stop you? Do you take a couple minutes to psyche up a couple of fellow officers/douchebags into having your back? Do you kick the incident commander in the nuts, draw your gun on the first guy who tries to stop you?
I agree that all the above, and more, demonstrates your willingness to do the right thing but it all takes time, doesn't explicitly fall under the policy of "go get the perp", and, arguably, makes you less capable of breaching the door and effectively ending the situation.
Trying is the 1st step toward failing...
Bureaucracy held trained men in the hallway and restrained parents outside while children died and your response is "whatcha gonna do?"
And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Just so we're clear, I asked a pretty specific question pretty consequence-free two hours ago and you didn't answer.
What's your course of action or policy Officer Tackleberry?
What was your specific question? All I saw was a bunch of rhetorical pontificating.
You're in the hallway outside a barricaded doorway surrounded by 18 other douchebags all with orders to stand down and wait for SWAT or whatever while kids are being shot, what do you do?
Ask Hugh Thompson.
What do you do? You tell the bossman giving orders that he's a coward and a scumbag, and break down the door. If the others try and stop you, then they are actively engaging in assisting a shooter, and should be arrested.
This isn't even slightly complex. You have to be a complete and utter scumbag, the very lowest sort of barely-a-human-being, to even consider for a moment that there is any other possible course of action.
The simple fact is that we all know that any adult present, even if entirely unarmed, had a duty to storm the classroom - their own life doesn't even come into it for a second. This is just the basics of being a responsible, civilised adult unfortunate enough to be present at such an incident.
In the words of Birger Eriksen, who ordered his forces to fire on an unidentified German ship, "Either I will be decorated, or I will be court-martialed. Fire!"
That ship was later revealed to be Admiral Hipper-class KMS Blucher. It was sunk with heavy loss of life and helped delay the German invasion of Norway long enough for King Haakon and the Norwegian government to flee the coming Nazi occupation.
Responsibility is not about making the right decision, or even thinking you are capable of dealing with the problem. Responsibility is realizing that nobody else will do anything if you refuse to act. It means accepting the risks of your decision and deciding anyways.
I feel bad for the cops. They have to live with this on their conscience for the rest of their lives while they go home to their families and children. However, if you don't want to have to make decisions like that, don't become a cop.
I didn't say anything about responsibility. If you're known for a phrase like "I am ashamed of you. They couldn’t hit an elephant at this distance." or "Custer's luck! The biggest Indian Village on the Continent!" responsibility doesn't much matter to you or the people around you. Just ask Chuck P.
You are just a raging asshole. Where did I ever once talk about shooting the motherfucker? You seem to be the one who is making assumptions.
Personally, I really do hope there are some suicides among those that stood in that hallway or restrained parents outside. It would serve as a testimony to the severity of their mistake.
i saw a video interview in Spanish of the mother of the shooter, Adriana Martínez Reyes, where she is an absolute mess mentally. Incoherent, cognitive dissonance, likely due in part from her years as a drug addict. Likewise with the grandfather of the shooter: ashamed, tormented, stammering, it appears to me he and his wife (grandmother shot in the face) did not know what to do with the kid. Father missing likely had a lot to do with it with.
The breakdown of the nuclear family, just like Leftist Prog trash have advocated for decades, has come to fruition.
Glad we have role models for the nuclear family like Trump, who also brought up it's demise as a cause.
Look, the guy enters the school with a shotgun or 22 and the cops are most likely not considering their odds so carefully. Human nature.
So what's next on the gun grabbing agenda? After the "assault weapons".
The question is how many kids survived that room. It sounds like the perp was in that room long enough before police arrived to have done all the killing then. I suppose more details will emerge.
Read the damned timeline. They made repeated 911 calls to announce there were some left alive as he was executing children while cops held parents back and retreated.
Excellent! It is so easy to judge after the fact, when one was not ever present.
Go display your Asperger’s somewhere else.
"I feel bad for the cops. They have to live with this on their conscience for the rest of their lives while they go home to their families and children"
I don't feel bad for them, and won't feel bad for them even if they're prosecuted and jailed for aiding and abetting a mass murderer. [Not that they will be, their mates in their gang will protect them, just as they cover up every other crime they commit.] Let's be clear, these weren't people faced with a difficult decision. They're scum who chose to let a mass-shooting of children continue because they couldn't be bothered to intervene.
Every single one deserves to be named and shamed. They deserve to be spat on in the street. They deserve to find that no business in town will accept their money, that their neighbours won't talk to them, and that people cross the street to avoid them when they see them coming.
It is really hard to think of a worse set of scumbags than these. This isn't one or two 'bad apples'. It's an entire police force that has just demonstrated they're merely pretending to be police. They have committed any number of criminal offences here, and need to be banged up for years.
You breach the fucking door because there are kids being executed in front of you.
Nobody could ask the staff for keys? Nobody had a shotgun to blow off the lock? There were no windows?
Bullshit. Absolute craven bullshit and you want to cower behind "policy."
Dude...
You are usually a pretty level headed and bright guy on these boards but something about this seems to have broken your brain.
Watching you try and do mental gymnastics to figure out every way we could give the benefit of the doubt and/or excuse gross inaction while the slaughter of children was happening is baffling.
This is like watching jeff and the lefties try and find ways 2+2 COULD equal 5 in some way shape or form because they are weirdly invested in that side of the argument.
You have made it clear that you aren't the type that says "put me in coach" and thats fine. If I had to guess what kind of doc you are I would assume maybe an internist, an office based doc, pathologist etc. Something low stakes, where you have no pressure and unlimited time to pontificate.
But sometimes a situation calls for a different kind of guy. Apparently the new squad that came in and said "WTF is going on why are you fuckers still outside this door an hour later, fuck your boss we are going in NOW" were the latter.
Clearly there's only one answer here: abolish assault weapons.
Also, make murder illegal.
No. Clearly, the answer is to equip every child with an assault weapon.
No big deal. My AR-15 identifies as a single shot hunting rifle. So it will be exempt. Anyone who says otherwise is white nationalist, racist. Trans hating bigot.
it blows my mind how many braindead leftys seem only capable of repeating 'ban the scary black gun!' like a broken record and refuse to...I dunno...maybe look at the fact the shooter was able to just casually stroll right into the school and do as he pleased for an hour
We'll need Joe Friday to define them. And after that's done, to tell us which weapons are next on the agenda.
This is all the evidence you need: At 12:21 you could hear over the phone (on the 911 call) that three shots were fired.
If the commander claims that he thought it wasn't an "Active Shooter" situation then he is a liar or deaf. He was there in the school and he heard those shots. It wasn't a barricaded suspect. It was an active shooter. Whether the 911 dispatchers were on the radio with him or not, he cannot deny that there were shots being fired.
It wasn't a barricaded suspect.
Neutralized. He may've been barricaded, but he was still a hazard to himself and, more importantly, others.
Right, I am referring though to the dichotomy that the spokeshole was making on today's press briefing. He said that the Commander on scene thought that it was no longer an "Active Shooter" situation but was in fact a "Barricaded Suspect" situation. Last night they were saying the same thing- that they thought he was contained where he couldn't do any more damage.
Well, that would be believable if not for:
1) The 911 calls saying he was still shooting people behind that door.
2) The sound, through the door, of kids screaming and being shot.
3) Another report (unconfirmed on Drudge) that police even called through the door, telling kids to shout if they were in there, leading a child to shout and get shot.
They knew. They knew that there were people on the other side of that door being shot and they chose to wait.
They knew that there were people on the other side of that door being shot and they chose to wait.
(Acknowledging lack of confirmation) I'm not so much of a coward that I can't admit that I wouldn't at least need a minute to pick up my own guts after calling out to a kid on the other side of the door and, seemingly, getting them shot. Especially that young. My kids or face-to-face, it would only enrage me. Someone else's kid, somebody's probably going to have to slap me across the face.
You really need to shut the fuck up.
You actually are (or were) a cop aren't you Chuck? No introspection, no question of whether you've got all the facts, no care about any consequences of any of your actions, no ability to analyze actions or policy after the fact adjust and do better next time, just a stupid, empty, psychotic sense of self-importance and bravado so simultaneously unassailable and fragile that you get pissed off every time someone questions anything. Even when there are no consequences to asking questions. Who cares if you've got the wrong room, wrong address, wrong suspects? Just kick in the door and keep squeezing the trigger until all the threats, no matter how small, are neutralized. If somebody thinks you're wrong, they should just shut up and obey.
Not even close to my history or my feelings on the matter. As a matter of fact, I have not made a comment yet that has not been supported by the reporting up to that time, and your spin on it is mystifying. So far, my guesses about the gaps in reporting have been 100%.
Why you lashing out at someone expressing anger and indignation over what happened is beyond me. It is clear at this point that a large measure of this tragedy was preventable except for paralysis whether it was bureaucratic or cowardice.
I am losing my mind over the fact that the right of the people to defend themselves and others even has to be defended. The experience in Uvalde once more proves that turning over our rights to engage those who would do us harm to "police authority" clearly only ensures that we lose that right. They cannot and will not protect even the most vulnerable if there is risk involved.
Not even close to my history or my feelings on the matter.
You say that like I'm having trouble guessing what your feelings are when you tell me to shut the fuck up.
Why you lashing out at someone expressing anger and indignation over what happened is beyond me.
So, when you told me to shut up, was that because I was involved in the Uvalde situation or because you're just mad, claiming you know what's best, and that other people should shut up?
I wonder what the incident commander would've said if one of the people under his command piped up and said "Shouldn't we be going in there?"
No clue. Apparantly much like you, nobody had the balls or humanity to try.
And I too would like to see you shut the fuck up with trying to excuse other cowards for their failing.
And it was STILL 30 more minutes before they went in.
WHAT THE FUCK
How many times to we hear about a HUGE disconnect between what the dispatchers are saying and how the cops act?
Does dispatch not tell them what is happening?
Do they tell the officers but the officers don't care?
I'm thinking the latter.
Then there's the fact that cops routinely lie about literally everything, even when caught on camera. Thing is, they believe their lies. They really do. I believe they think that they shape reality because they can literally kill people who argue with them or refuse to obey, and since might makes right they're always right.
Whether or not dispatch was reaching them, there is no way they didn't know shooting was still going on in there. Any claim that they thought it was a barricaded suspect only just doesn't hold water.
Like I said, they lie about literally everything. I wouldn't trust a cop to tell me the time.
To make things worse the small town of Uvalde actually their own SWAT team. So what were they so busy doing that they couldn't respond to an active shooter? Why did the Border Patrol need to do their job instead?
https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxdwgn/uvalde-swat-team-bragged-about-training-at-schools-on-facebook
This is so bizarre. Alex Jones' claims about school shootings being government false flags seem a lot less ridiculous now than they did 10 years ago.
Sometimes I think Alex makes up a bunch of shit. Then the feds listen to his show to figure out what crazy shit they should implement.
It's good cover. Then they can just dismiss critics as Alex Jones nutjobs.
I hadn't considered the trick of implementing popular conspiracy theories because nobody would believe anyone trying to claim it was really happening.
Clever.
Evil, but clever. 😉
Uvalde SWAT has now replaced Tits on a Bull in Texan idiom.
I was listening to a reporter who said they had asked about why the SWAT team wasn't there and the response was that they are part-time.
Must have been a solid door. I hope they report the details on it. It held off 19 officers and a Swat team for 45 minutes. I would like that door on my house.
Maybe the cops need to spend fewer hours at the donut shop and a few hours learning from their Brothers in the Fire Department.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vLDCJk3wNk
1:07 Minutes to break through a steel door, with a reinforcing drop bar behind it.
They could learn a lot from firefighters about getting ready, equipped and where you need to be quickly.
Do they make 6' or two-piece Halligan bars? That's an awful lot of lead to eat standing in the middle of that door for 1:07.
I guess you could just use a regular Halligan bar and slide 1/2" steel pipe over it to increase the length.
Most of the time he spends in front of that door is dealing with the steel drop bar, which would not be in a school door. Had this just been a normal steel door that you see in schools they'd have been in within 30 seconds.
Yeah, this came across as 'wrong' to me. You're technically correct according to the viedo but I wasn't actually worried or thinking about the drop bar both for the reason you stated and for the fact that the halligan bar (and the axe) is long enough that you could overcome the lock without putting vitals in the doorway. Still an awful lot of lead to eat standing in the middle of that door for :30.
The guy (or two) could drive the head of the halligan bar in with the axe from their position behind the door, then the other guy only has to pop into the doorway to lever it out of the casement and open. Probably better ways, but that seems best/most expedient with the tools on hand. Maybe drive the halligan bar into the lock longways. Still (I think you'd agree) 30s standing in the door frame with a shooter on the other side would probably be the last 5-10s and probably a couple of guys after you's lives.
They probably didn’t need a Halligan bar, or whatever. The off duty border patrol officers who finally did the entry apparently just got the key from one of the teachers, and opened the door that way.
Firefighters were present during the incident.
They have 12 guage shotguns don't they? One shot with double aught into each hinge. Presto, door open.
One shot with double aught into each hinge.
Breaching rounds. Count it off first either way. Doubt the 5 yr. olds would figure it out by the count of 3 but I'm pretty sure both my teens would know.
This. You need actual breaching rounds on a steel door. Sintered metal powder and heavy propellant. Buckshot will not do.
Oh and you need a breaching barrel, because an ordinary barrel will at least bulge, if not outright split from the backpressure.
I've got a standard Mossberg 12 gauge "tactical" shotgun that fires breaching rounds just fine. Maybe it's the slightly shorter barrel.
The perp could have shot a lot more kids during those 1:07 minutes if he hadn't done so already.
Why is the commentary here so focused on what the police could have done better, now that the situation is better understood than in the heat of moment, rather than on all the renewed cries for more "gun control"?
This is just more proof that those who describe Libertarian thought as useless philosophy that will never compete with alternatives as being correct.
^
"Why is the commentary here so focused on what the police could have done better, now that the situation is better understood than in the heat of moment, rather than on all the renewed cries for more "gun control"?"
Why do idiots like you and nardz focus on one issue only? Are your mental abilities too strained to understand that, yes, we can push back on 'gun control' at the same time we can hold the cowards of Uvalde accountable for allowing the murder of those kids?
It really isn't more difficult than walking and chewing gum; give it a try.
All I can say to you is: “Are you fuckin’ kidding me?!”
Why is the commentary here so focused on what the police could have done better, now that the situation is better understood than in the heat of moment, rather than on all the renewed cries for more "gun control"?
Because I see the perpetual-loser gun control argument and the 'find an oak tree with one branch for every officer on the scene' argument as roughly equal threats to liberty and am capable of addressing more than one problem at once, some more expediently than others.
'find an oak tree with one branch for every officer on the scene' argument
And that's not to say no officers should suffer any consequences. Collect the facts, call the officers to answer for them before 12 angry men, then find an oak tree with the appropriate number of branches, send the rest on their way with varying degrees of "Thanks for your positive contribution and do your best to make tomorrow better than today."
That doesn’t sound like you’re backing the thin, blue line.
Every last one of them needs to leave law enforcement immediately. Go be Wal Mart greeter, or work at Jiffy Lube, or maybe start a lawn service. Just don't do anything that might make people think they can depend on you when lives are at stake.
Of course that does create the problem of finding replacements. Because what right minded person would want to identify as an Uvalde cop after today?
Has anyone one noticed the online narrative being pushed that "the good guys with guns argument is settled now." I have a feeling this is an intentional misunderstanding of that defense of gun rights, as though the 2A crowd has been all this time including law enforcement as the good guys who need gun rights. They fucking already have gun rights. That they might get them exclusively is what the concealed/open carry crowd is trying to avoid.
Really? I avoid that shit, so I haven't seen a lot of that argument. But how does it even make sense? Because some cops failed to act, no one could have? An armed teacher in the school couldn't have stopped him?
And are they saying that nothing can stop a bad guy with a gun?
Nobody said they had any sense.
They're saying that if government can't, no one can.
If one of my kids is ever in that situation you all have my permission to use me as the bullet catcher to give someone a clear shot.
Just don't miss.
Just don't miss.
This, IMO, is the trick. I know I'm a better shot than you :), the question is, "Will I throw your life away in front of your kid to take a shot through a door/window?"
Oh no, the only way it works is as an entry stack. You come in behind me and break in whatever direction I do not. Then you engage whoever is shooting me. Even if that means shooting through me.
Ask Reason favorite David Frum
Yeah David Frum made that argument earlier today. It is disingenuous as fuck. Seriously. Fuck him.
He knows what he is doing. He spent enough time pretending to be a conservative to know that when people talk about a "Good guy with a gun" they generally talk about the good guy who is there right at the time the shooting starts.
So not only is he trying to ghoulishly score political points on the bodies of dead kids, he is doing it with extra lies that he has to know will not be productive.
But no police showed up for twelve minutes. Where were the good guys with guns? Texas is filled with people who have guns, there are no restrictions on citizens over 18, and it's open carry. So unless you're saying that people in Texas aren't good, why didn't anyone take care of the problem? There must have been dozens if not hundreds of citizens in close range who had guns and who heard the shots at the funeral parlor and outside the school.
You're not gonna make it
Hearing shots and having knowledge of the tactical situation sufficient to respond are two different things.
Also, it highlights the advantage of having armed teachers or staff right there in the situation who can respond directly rather than police who arrive later and ave to enter the situation, putting themselves in harm's way, with inadequate tactical information.
"have" not "ave"
What part of an 18-year old with a gun, shooting for 12 minutes outside of a school, is confusing? What tactical knowledge did people need to know that he was a threat?
Yep, definitely not gonna make it
They aren’t sending their best
Exactly where he was. Eventually, he was bottled up.
Not for those commenting here. They're all heros who would have reacted as cooly and calmly as the cartoon characters they favor.
If there were no police at the scene the 'good guys' would have organized and charged the school in minutes -- guns or not.
Yeah, sure. Just call out the posse. Faster than a police response any day.
Faster than a police response which is specifically not responding. That's the whole point. Or do you think parents would have just sat outside the school listening to their kids get shot if police weren't around?
That's who started this? That's bad, even for him.
Since when do leftists consider the police to be the good guys?
Not that many leftists here, but not many here considering the police to be the good guys right now.
That’s dumb: we need good guys with guns because cops suck.
https://thepostmillennial.com/woman-with-gun-shoots-kills-man-who-arrives-at-graduation-party-shooting-at-guests
Well that's going to suck for *that* narrative, then... 😀
The best way to disarm Germany was to wait for a Jewish kid to shoot a nazi then act all victimized. But this was 1938. For 5 years Germany had had a single party of Conservative Christian Xenophobes eager to see to it that only the Gestapo and SS have weapons... and they got their wish. A year later they had their war.
A national shame.
Were I a cop I'd be royally pissed off at what they did, and how badly they have stained what was otherwise an already badly tarnished role in society.
You ask yourself what could be worse than nineteen dead children and the universe laughs.
20?
Objectively?
A dead junkie.
A small town in Texas. They should have just called on the locals to respond.
(seriously).
The cops kept the parents from 'responding'.
They should have just called on the locals to respond instead of the cops.
That's what I meant. The well regulated militia, if you will.
Well, if you had dealt with parents who believe they know more than anybody and that they can just drive up to a school under seige and snatch their children out of harm's way with not repercussions in a nanosecond, you'd be a lot more realistic than this.
If you had something which could be confused with a brain, you might not be making an ass of yourself.
Fuck off.
Yes, actually. Did you miss the videos of cops arresting parents for trying to storm in anyway?
One mom managed to talk her way out of cuffs, then ran and hopped the fence to get her kids out. An off-duty BP agent commandeered hid barber's shotgun and got his kids, plus a wing of the school out.
That's what they had to do to put down Charles Whitman.l
Who knows? If the town gets to decide, maybe they'll just abolish their police force and replace it with a watchman system.
'Mistakes were made, procedures were followed.'
I have a hard time believing the police would admit a mistake.
"Our internal investigation concludes that, despite the tragic loss of life, procedures were followed."
They actually just did like an hour ago. It was too obvious, so now they are trying to claim the guy in charge didn't know about the calls from inside the room, I guess. That will turn out to be a lie too, I'm betting.
And they couldn't hear the gunshots from right outside the room at 12:21, either?
^^ FFS
"...undoubtedly the *LAST* 45 minutes of the fourth-graders' lives..."
Struggling to come up with an appropriate punishment for these dick-heads.
Not one tough guy cop could walk over to the window(s) and shoot that asshole? Two or three couldn’t jointly rush the room-yea, and confront mortal risk-and take him out? Wtf.
Next time, let mom or dad run the show. They’d have tried to save the kids, all else be damned. There are no other exigencies. None.
And fire whoever came up with the do-nothing-until-the-feds-get-here-in-an-hour plan. Clown Maximus.
Their strategy was apparently to wait for the shooter to run out of ammo.
Did they study Zapp Brannigan at the academy or something?
This used to make me laugh so much. And now whenever I hear it again, I will think of this thread. Fuck you. Not your fault. But fuck you all the same.
a great plan to lessen danger for "first responders"... who's who's response was to cower behind their vehicles
I don't know about Uvalde, but everywhere I have lived, the cops have body armor. Getting shot is part of the deal.
Yeah the classroom was on the ground floor with an easily accessible window. If you can't find the fucking key maybe send nine guys out to the window? Not rocket science.
Well, cops definitely aren't rocket scientists, so...
More wood chippers please
As that was happening, the Uvalde police not only stood back—they actively prevented a Border Patrol tactical unit from trying to enter the classroom.
Remember, don't teach people HOW to think, teach them WHAT to think.
I’d take the entire staff of Reason magazine through a law enforcement tactical crash course so that they’d sound less ideologically stupid when babbling their laughable tendentious BS on police tactics…
Oh look guys, here's the expert on police tactics and protocols again. He KNOWS. He's probably a cop, so he KNOWS.
Remember, anything police train to do is correct! We can't point out obvious flaws cuz we are stupid rubes who haven't been indoctrinated by police training yet! It can't possibly be that police protocols are stupid, cowardly, and full of illegal actions, even though we see it time and time again. No no, it can't be that. We should just trust these idiots to know better than us because they were trained by other idiots who in turn were trained by other idiots.
Oh, btw, even the Uvalde police are now admitting they made the wrong call, so stuff your thin blue line logic back up where it came from.
Not to defend the police, or JAQ0, but I do have a problem with Robby "Can somebody change this tire for me?"/"Superficially credible accusations" Soave casting aspersions on anyone for making bad tactical decisions with bullets flying in real time. He's not necessarily wrong, but I wouldn't put him towards the top of the list of people to make things right.
Agreed Rico is clearly out of his depth and obviously NOT displaying the sort of circumspection that Reason writers typically display for pretty much anyone other than BadOrangeMan.
That said must wonder if more people might have lived if cops had the same culture for protecting kids that they have for protecting each other.
And, deep down, I think that is what the tousled wit is trying to get at.
Tousled twit
I thought "tousled wit" was great sarcasm
That said must wonder if more people might have lived if cops had the same culture for protecting kids that they have for protecting each other.
I don't think the teacher, SRO, or whomever else left the door unlocked should escape the magnifying glass either. I think it's much less of a question if more people would've survived.
Propping that door open was criminal negligence at the very least.
And, not being 100% familiar with the teacher's union situation in Uvalde if that's even relevant, I wouldn't be surprised if, under the roar of the crowds for "Gun Control!" and "Defund the police/ACAB!", the teacher quietly gets a lawyer from their/a union, a summer's vacation, and the same job there or somewhere else in the fall. And nothing else happens.
Nonsense. It's a town of 16,000 people. You don't get to shift blame from the armed, trained cops who had strength in numbers but who didn't do ANYTHING but claim the shooter was "barricaded" into a classroom when he actually wasn't. Chances are the state and school district don't pay for electricity or up-to-date HVAC equipment sufficient to cool the building. Or maybe the school district got a warning from ERCOT to turn up the thermostat to avoid brownouts lol.
Correct. You cannot blame the teacher for the entire episode, but you can blame him/her for criminal negligence.
You do NOT drive to the local market without a seat-belt; you practice safe procedures always, so you don't end up T-boned by the drunk at the intersection a block from your house. Suggest flying lessons or managing a racing team as a real curative for 'I think I can get away with it this time'; those check-lists are not optional.
The teacher here chose to ignore safety procedure to save him/her a few seconds or perhaps a few minutes; time is irrelevant, the result was foolish, tragic and criminally negligent. Further, the administration should be held liable for sloppy safety training efforts.
There is plenty of blame to go around here and each and every contributor should be held accountable.
And, no, nardz, just to make sure your feeble mental abilities get the message: That does not mean yielding to 'gun control' folks who do not understand A2. See? some of us can walk AND chew gum.
Get 'em!
So how many cops do you need to mount an effective offensive against a lone gunman who is actively shooting children? And once you have them there, how long do you wait to get moving? 40 minutes?
If those are your tactics, you need to be fired. This scenario has happened before, and waiting to do something has already been proven costly to human life.
I think I'd just take the chance, honestly. I'd rather die trying than live with that failure to act. Quite literally.
Remember the lone officer that stormed the U of T tower and stopped the killing? I do. Different times.
And he only had a revolver.
Yeah, but the gunman was firing off the tower and the officer had the element of surprise. Anyone could've done what he did. Just ask Chuck P.
What is a window? What is a shield? What are a pair of balls?
"...What are a pair of balls?"
Any and all of the "Cowards of Uvalde" would like to know.
Kill another whale with your power
Or shoot a bunch of kids from a tower
Snipe them in their cars
Blood keeps them warm
Flo and Eddie
Bet ya someone will leak in a week or so that the chief was in fact told about the 911 calls. But police lives are so much more important than your kids' lives in blue minds.
At the very least he should have been aware of the gunshots inside the class at 12:21, when his officers are perched outside the door.
He was probably like "Well NOW they're all dead..........."
Blue Lives Matter
The good guys were able to go home that night and tell their wives what a rough day they had. Evil everywhere, except in the mirror.
Evil, cowardice, poor judgement, and lack of tactical information are different things.
You're right. So what do all the self righteous bastards here really know?
Seems more than the idiot asking the question.
Eat shit and die.
How many cops does it take to mentally masturbate in the hallway while innocent children are being murdered on the other side of the door?
Just one. The other 18 exclaiming, You're getting huge man. You're getting huge!
Cops went home safe. Nothing else matters.
Cowardly fucks.
????
my thoughts exactly
Robbie, now that the details of what went wrong came out will you write an article with the facts?
Shooter used a door propped open by a teacher.
Resource officer was off site, nobody knows why yet.
Officer drove by shooters crashed car but didn't see him kneeling behind it.
The calls to the police (and you saw this im the media) was of a barricaded shooter, not active. Training says to wait for swat in those situations.
A lot of bad happened. It wasn't all due to willful fear.
Robbie, now that the details of what went wrong came out will you write an article with the facts?
Phbbt! In two weeks we'll learn that the FBI put Ramos up to it, ordered local SWAT to stand down, and instructed LEOs on the scene to restrain parents and delay CBP while they evaluate the situation. Maybe a year later, Reason will mention that the FBI was involved when the charges against people on the scene were dismissed.
Few people here have ever been in a firefight. Even though I'm not much of a cop fan, I'll cut 'em some slack in this case. What this incident shows is:
1) The perp was alone with the defenseless victims in the room long enough to do the killing without needing a military-style weapon, could have used a lever or bolt action or hunting-style semiauto with detachable mag. Perp had plenty of time to reload.
2) The advantage of having armed defenders, teachers or staff, in the situation who could respond directly and immediately, having been thrust into the situation, and not having to willfully enter it with incomplete knowledge as cops would have to do.
3) Having guarded points of entry, other doors locked, only open from inside.
"Few people here have ever been in a firefight."
Irrelevant; if you are frightened, take a job as librarian.
"Even though I'm not much of a cop fan, I'll cut 'em some slack in this case."
Yeah, 19 stood outside a door WHILE a thug shot and killed how many of the total?
I'll cut them some slack if it means they just wear a "I'm a Coward of Uvalde" sign around their necks for life.
Excellent!
Bullshit. The police were IN THE FUCKING HALLWAY, and the shooter was ACTIVELY SHOOTING while kids spent an HOUR inside calling desperately to 911 for help (with shots audible in the 911 calls as well). Barricaded shooter my grimy asshole.
yeah, the shooter was barricaded, but kids were calling the whole time and still alive in the room with him.
Did the room have no windows?
The calls from the kids saying they were still alive was not a "barricaded shooter." Horseshit.
"A lot of bad happened. It wasn't all due to willful fear."
Yeah, certainly the attendance at the mandatory "safety meeting" could have been a contributing factor, BUT 19 OF THEM STOOD IN THE HALLWAY LISTENING TO SHOTS AND DOING NOTHING AT ALL!
So there goes the argument that all we need is more good guys with guns.
Correct. What we need to do is to hold teachers personally and criminally responsible for the defense of the children in their charge. So, strictly speaking, we need more gals with guns.
So there goes the argument that all we need is more good guys with guns.
Explain.
"The Narrative" never need explaining.
You're free to go about disarmed.
The moment you argue to disarm the people, you become an imminent deadly threat.
Good luck with that.
Actually, the "good guys", the teachers and staff, had no guns. They were dependent upon police entering from outside to rescue them.
Both the school/teachers and police have failed to protect the kids: they didn’t secure the buildings, they didn’t have effective security, they failed to intervene.
And why is that? Because as parts of the government, they don’t beat any responsibility and face no consequences. They won’t even lose customers over this.
I guarantee you, children would be protected of these were private schools and private security, subject to civil liability and criminal penalties.
For starters, private schools works have annual safety training, access control, and probably encourage or even require teachers to be capable of deemed self defense.
https://www.cato.org/blog/are-shootings-more-likely-occur-public-schools
I think you mean "armed" self defense, not "deemed". The d and e are close to the r.
So, schools - and other public spaces - should be locked down prisons?
Maybe we should just teach our children that, in case of emergency, run like hell away from danger?
When a nut job gets inside of a Walmart, is the store civillay liable for the actions of said nut job because they didn't do enough to keep them out?
What happens if said nut job is non-white? Is that racism?
Maybe we need to accept as painful as it is, that shit happens. And that none of us, have control over every event in our lives?
I ride a motorcycle. I really, really don't want to be injured or killed. But, is everyone else responsible if I am?
" is the store civillay liable for the actions of said nut job because they didn't do enough to keep them out"
A pretty simple change would be that if any building bans guns, they take full responsibility for protecting the safety of the people inside and bear strict civil liability if something happens.
I like this idea.
"So, schools - and other public spaces - should be locked down prisons?"
Did you bring that strawman all the way from home, or find it on your way?
Locally sourced. Fair trade. Vegan. It's a hell of a strawman. 😀
And conflating a "prison" with a structure where someone inside might be safe is a particularly idiotic touch!
"...I ride a motorcycle. I really, really don't want to be injured or killed. But, is everyone else responsible if I am?.."
A truly STUPID false-equivalence. Suggest you STFU until you quit drinking or learn to think.
What is it about American police work that attracts cowards? The job is less dangerous than being a fisherman, but our cops all seem to be candy asses.
Most police shootings of innocents happen because the cop says he "was in fear of his life". Yeah buddy, that's part of the job.
If you can't take the heat, get out of police work and let somebody with guts do the job.
I suspect they don't start out as coward, but somehow get socialized after a while to become afraid of their own shadows.
I wonder where the massive fear of small pups with wagging tails comes from. Are they only comfortable with Belgian Malinois / German Shepherd type dogs that they sleep with?
Seems like being a cop in the US is like being in the military in some dictatorship. You get to fool around with a lot of weapons and look tough and if people object to your bravado you can push them around or worse. It only comes apart if you ever have to fight a real army.
The job is less dangerous than being a truck driver. Or a garbageman.
I'm glad we're all 100% focused on what's important here: hating local cops.
Guess the totalitarian leftists are right- abolish the police!
I'd be ok with that, but something tells me the msm isn't pushing this spotlight on the shitty cops because they intend upon leaving themselves, and their totalitarian leftist comrades, defenseless.
And it won't be self defense that's promoted.
Nope. We're looking at another step toward nationalized, political police.
not local cops, PUSSY cops who stood around and DID NOTHING. THE BORDER PATROL TOOK HIM OUT.
Cool.
Super productive topic.
Glad we face no other issues.
Yes, it is. Shame you are incapable of seeing more than a single issue.
You sure as hell aren't, syphilitic sqrlvo.
But you do seem to be enjoying the circle jerk here.
Please take your double digit IQ to the bathhouse where it active impresses people.
"You sure as hell aren't, syphilitic sqrlvo.
But you do seem to be enjoying the circle jerk here.
Please take your double digit IQ to the bathhouse where it active impresses people."
Folks, for your viewing pleasure you see the asshole, twitter-cited ignoramus nardz attempting (and failing) to respond to the simple statement that the ignoramus seems incapable of walking and chewing gum.
Eat shit and die, you pathetic excuse for humanity.
My point throughout the thread is that everyone is focusing EXCLUSIVELY on the "cops bad" angle of things and shamelessly jerking off to it, yet the imbecile sqrlvo invokes the worn out leftist cliche "walk and chew gum" to demonstrate that he'll tolerate no mention of anything else, or that he is far too stupid to understand any writing above a 2nd grade level.
Syphilis is a hell of a way to go out. How embarrassing.
Exactly! They've got us on the ropes. The only answer is: More gun control!
Full disclosure. I live in CA and this is all that's being debates. As though more words on paper would have somehow prevented this.
The underlying premise, not being clearly articulated of course, is that if we only banned guns and no one had a gun, this wouldn't have happened.
Which is true. If this could actually be accomplished.
Just like those other "civilized" countries.
Which is not.
Every cop that was there that day that sat around for an hour needs their badges and pensions stripped. Local, federal, and everyone in between.
Great, we've got the narrative set.
99% agree that these cops suck.
So... let's keep talking about how these cops suck?
Masturbation is super fun I guess?
Definitely don't want to talk about anything like timing w/left's renewed push for totalitarian gun control, how the teen w/drug addicted single mom could afford multiple ARs and pistols, how the corrupt FBI has just been revealed as grooming the previous shooter in Buffalo, why were feds on the scene so quickly, who was giving orders, or why children aren't taught to fight back if trapped.
Nope, cops bad, end of story.
Gee, nardz, maybe dealing with more than one issue is just too hard for you.
LOL
What a fucking moron.
Sqrlvo, kill yourself and save your completely worthless self further embarrassment.
Which PD do you work for?
Fuck off, faggot leftist.
Keep sucking msm cock like a good little bitch.
Cowards that stand by and let children get executed do NOT get to hide behind their badge when they have absolutely failed their duties on all levels.
I support police as a societal necessity. That does not mean I will not call out wrongdoing.
Great.
Good job.
Virtue signaled.
Let's definitely spend the next week saying the exact same thing day after day while rolling over and doing absolutely nothing to fight totalitarian leftism.
Libertarian moment!
"We're looking at another step toward nationalized, political police."
LOL have you been hiding under a rock? We already have nationalized, militarized political police. Try holding a public rally in Florida (unless you're protesting Cuba lol).
Fuck off and die, leftist bitch.
I'll meet you anywhere in Florida you'd like.
You can even bring your comrade sqrlvo with you, though I suspect you're both far too fearful.
If it was that bad of a risk of tyranny, you should be buying AR-15s and opposing gun-control.
https://twitter.com/NRA/status/1530313507455094788?t=MTwTt4iv9ZMI8NHTR8_Psw&s=19
President Trump honors Texas hero Jack Wilson at #NRAconvention.
Wilson famously stopped a church shooter in White Settlement, TX, saving countless lives with one perfect shot from his concealed firearm.
[Video]
If only all Americans carried a pistol with them everywhere they traveled locally.....
......
Police: Woman with pistol killed man who shot at crowd of people in Charleston
https://wchstv.com/news/local/victim-hospitalized-in-charleston-shooting
Police said a woman who was lawfully carrying a pistol shot and killed a man who began shooting at a crowd of people Wednesday night in Charleston.
Dennis Butler was killed after allegedly shooting at dozens of people attending a graduation party Wednesday near the Vista View Apartment complex. No injuries were reported from those at the party.
I do.
I used to until that tragic boating accident...
Congrats to him. You've named one of the only two such incidents where, in a country with more guns than people, a legally armed citizen stopped or shortened a mass shooting event. What about all the other ones? Do you honestly expect us to believe that in every other mass shooting there wasn't at least one armed individual nearby? Also what would happen if, during a mass shooting, a legally armed individual or individuals unholstered their own weapons and brandished or fired them? Would the cops know they were dealing with the "good guys with guns" or would the cops simply assume they were shooters and mow them down?
"only two"?
If you're just going to blatantly lie, nobody is going to pay any attention to you.
Just don't it, cut its throat, and move on.
Thank goodness we can sleep soundly, tonight, knowing that we don't need to actually do anything, and the free market will just solve it, someday.
It already has. How many shootings at private schools?
What does "the free market" have to do with murders that take place in government-designated gun-free zones?
There was an ARMED school guard in this so-called "government designated gun-free zone."
He wasn't there, for reasons not explained, which should have been obvious to the arriving cops.
This is a cop-fuck up rivaling the incompetence of drollin' Joe's attempt at an Afghan photo-op.
It might be sarc, but, if so, you ought to establish a rep for sarc before attempting such.
Guessing it's a fucking lefty ignoramus hoping someone is stupid enough to equate "free market" with, uh, not really sure.
Joe Emenaker? Eat shit and die.
Did any children die in the time between the police arrived and when they finally when in? Would an immediate entry have saved some children?
Yes.
Provide factual evidence please.
Kids were calling 911 and you could hear shots in the background.
In the 12:21 911 call you can hear shots fired.
If the police are in the hallway, they can obviously hear those shots fired.
They still waited 30 minutes to go in.
Even if no more were shot, I’d imagine that 45 minutes was plenty of time for some of them to bleed out.
Watch the videos.
Yes. The kids were calling 911 every few minutes while they waited an hour inside. Shots can be heard in several 911 calls. Kids gave what amount to a running tally of how many were still left alive every time they called.
...and they just sat there waiting to be rescued or shot?
Never occurred to them to try something else?
They tried calling 911 . . .
"Never occurred to them to try something else?"
First, try reading the article you idiot.
4th grade is 9 year-olds
Can still bum rush a shooter once they figure out their only option is to just sit there and wait to get shot
I'm not condemning the kids, I'm condemning the culture/system that tells them nothing but how to be victims
Good try at walking it back. Number fooled = zero.
Sqrlvo really is unintelligent.
I mean, what the fuck does he think is being walked back?
The world will be a better place when he finally stops breathing.
Guess if the cops had done their f*cking jobs, we'd know the answer to that question, now, wouldn't we?
cops and those who suck their dicks love to tell us that the police are the last line of defense between criminals and us and we seem to love telling cops thank you for your service...
and when the shit hits the fan these guys stand around with a thumbs up their ass for better part of an hour.
those cowardly sons of bitches need to find a new line of work...
shame on you you pussies!!!
Agree. More people need to realize that being police is not even in the top 10 most dangerous or lethal jobs in the USA.
What kind of pansies did Uvalde PD hire, anyway? There were MOMS outside ready to rush the damn building and the cops were restraining them. Total bunch of pussies.
As a former Combat Vet....it is not as simple as you explain this....I think the Police should have reacted quicker et al....but there has to Command and Control, Figuring out the shooters area etc....Containment....
Ulvade should have reacted more quickly...they have a population of 16, 200....how much training do you think a City that small supplied to their officers?
My High School was over 4k students.
While kids are getting shot, no-one needs to carefully figure out his area. They knew what room he was in. You bust in and intimidate him while you're shooting him! You use your firearm training and you break and move and fire!
The city of 16 thousand has a SWAT team. Not sure why it took them more than 5 minutes to get there.
Want to figure this out? Asylums. Get the crazy off the streets. In the last the streets.
I started a new job in my metropolitan city this week...guy walking down the monorails with nothing but grey tighty whitey underwear on, lady masturbating in front of our 2 buildings which are 26 and 28 floors tall...and a dead guy.
but hey! they are free range crazy!
Lady masturbating in front of you? Where the fuck is that? Seattle? Maybe Portland? Sounds northwesty.
Your bedroom. Your wife. Jesus. Someone relates a story like that and you jump to political conclusions. What is wrong with you?
A lot going on in that guy's bedroom.
Learn to take a joke.
What the fuck difference does it make if some dude is walking around in tighty whiteys, or some chick is publicly masturbating? At least they're not shooting anyone. The dead guy? Just call the coroner. At least he's not shooting at anyone.
What the fuck difference does it make if some dude is walking around in tighty whiteys, or some chick is publicly masturbating? At least they're not shooting anyone. The dead guy? Just call the coroner. At least he's not shooting st anyone.
JFC
Pretty sure you were capable of providing a worthless comment; thanks for proving it.
Sqrlvo, everybody!
Thanks for proving the appropriateness of that nickname.
LOL
Too late. The Republicans started dismantling the mental health 'infrastructure' in the 80s and Bill Clinton joined in later. Who's going to pay for these asylums? Surely not a bunch of libertarians, lol.
Say this was really no longer an “active” shooter situation but a “barricaded”shooter situation. Didn’t he just barricade himself in a room with a bunch of fucking people he just shot? Don’t you kind of need to get to those people as quickly as possible rather than sit there with your thumb is your ass for 45 minutes? I’m not a medic, but I’m pretty sure that, in dealing with major gunshot wounds, time is of the essence.
They need to be trained to bust in and start shooting with the hands and the legs, so such a criminal suffers enough for his actions (though it will never be enough).
They already are.
Before: Don't bust in until situation is determined and attempts at communication have been made.
Today: I and active shooter situation bust in immediately and neutralize the threat.
Train to shoot to paralyze - neck shot, spine shot, center abdomen or groin to penetrate to the spine. Or shoot to blind. One one of these pukes is paralyzed, blinded, or otherwise suffering horribly, turn 'im into a posterchild for all the potential perps. Go to the places on the internet where those types hang out, based upon survey of previous perps browsing history. Send 'em pictutes and stories of the perps suffering. Let 'em know what'll happen to 'em, and that the world will celibrate their misery.
"once one of" not "one one of"
"pictuRe" not pictute"
This further reinforces my belief that we need martial law in the inner city.
Too bad The Siege's General Devereaux is a fictional person...
What does a bunch of cops sitting on their asses while a shooter in a rural school district kills a bunch of kids have to do with MARSHALLLLL LAWWWW in the inner city? Is that you, Tom Cotton?
The Army has the meams, motive, and opportunity to do a better job.
Parents need to quit asking questions like the police are the authorities! The police are the servants of the community. Parents need to start TELLING them what they're going to do (lock the school doors, post a guard, etc.)!
The parents are the people! Government is by and for the people!
Well, you go ahead and we'll follow.
A common refrain during the Viet Nam era: Heroes die first.
Hint: The parent's kids were not at risk in VN.
Got any other bullshit to sling?
We also need to teach our kids to not be victims, and gang up on someone attacking them! Four or five kids at once, attacking an 18 year old, could bring him down and beat him to submission.
4th graders 9 yrs old, maybe 75-100 lbs. 4'10" to 5ft
I wrestled in HS. The only senior on the team. And in the hightest weight group.
Nothing gave the non-seniors more pleasure than kicking my ass.
Nothing motivated my ass more than not letting the lower classmen humiliate me.
If that whole class ganged up on the puke in a coordinated way, they could possibly take him down. But it still would be bloody. And they wouldn't know what to do unless they trained for it.
So maybe start training them for it?
Yeah, 3rd grade attack training!
Try buying a second brain cell.
Servile pussy.
Next gun-grabbing cunt who tells me that we don't need guns because the cops will protect us is going to have a very bad day.
-jcr
Is that a threat?
-kar
Sounds like it. Let's set up a live-stream video so you can tell John in person.
Combat vet is right.
Sadly for Reason, blaming the police in a tough situation like this is just as bad as blaming guns. It's Monday morning quarterbacking. It serves no purpose.
But it sure as hell provides fodder for the pols that would like to keep us divided to ensure their continued rule over every aspect of our lives.
Leave the post mortem to those involved. Focus on the real issues.
The police sat their with their thumbs up their assholes, for an HOUR, while kids inside were bleeding out and being shot and desperately calling 911. Meanwhile the only thing the polcie were doing was assaulting and arresting parents outside for daring to demand these motherfucking cowards do their fucking jobs.
And?
What the fuck does having that discussion, clearly being pushed by media, get us?
Idiotic response; no surprise.
It might get us better cops, in case that is a mystery to you.
Hahahahahahahaha
Keep supporting that San Fran gov, sqrlvo
Cite, fucking ignoramus? I'll be waiting, and copy-pasting your bullshit, asshole.
You continue living in San Fran, no?
Suck that commie dick, soy.
Are you a cop?
No.
Do you live in Florida?
nardz is a commenter of very limited mental abilities whose abilities are so limited nardz has no idea when to STFU.
And nardz is extremely defensive regarding his lack of intelligence; he'll call you names and claim you support that which you never have!
It ain't easy being stupid and nardz is a shining example.
Eat shit and die, nardz.
Please come to Jacksonville, faggot.
Let me know when you'll be here, and one of us can hold the other accountable for your inferiority complex.
Few people here have ever been in a firefight. I'm not a big cop fan, but I'll cut 'em some slack on this one.
19 of them milling around in the hallway for 45 minutes while kids are getting shot won't get slack from here.
Heads need to roll.
Why would you cut them slack if you'd actually read the story. Doesn't look like much of a "firefight" until the Border Patrol showed up. For the 1 hour prior, including a 12 minute walk to the school after crashing his truck during which time he was firing at members of the public, the local PD sat idly by....wait, sorry....they sat idly by inside the school and actively restrained parents who were willing to actually do something about it. Sounds to me like these Uvalde cops (and most cops everywhere) have a cojones problem.
They get to keep the proceeds from asset-forfeiture seizures with total impunity just the same. About 95% of the parents voted for exactly that, and for evidently deadly government schools. The politicians they elected did not hire the cops to be brave... just to rob people. Only Reason magazine mentions these awkward facts.
"Sadly for Reason, blaming the police in a tough situation like this is just as bad as blaming guns. It's Monday morning quarterbacking. It serves no purpose..."
Bullshit.
Want the cops to do their jobs? Identify the ones who didn't, fire 'em and recruit ones who will NOT stand aside as some thug opens fire on kids.
What purpose do YOU have in mind?
The cops deserve a lot of blame in this case.
No one would blame a lone cop for waiting for backup before going in after an active shooter, but they had dozens of cops.
And I do think the cops should prevent civilians from rushing in. You could end up with a lot more dead civilians if you don't. But that only holds up if the cops move in quickly and do their jobs, not wait while more children are shot and children already shot bleed out.
"...And I do think the cops should prevent civilians from rushing in..."
If they refuse to do so?
Nope, get out of the way!
ACAC (All Cops Are Cowards)
All? I'm not a big cop fan, but I'll cut 'em some slack on this one. Ever been in a firefight?
Where was the fire fight? It wasn't like the gunman had a MG42 and squad to keep the cops heads down. This wasn't fucking Normandy.
+ many.
19 cowards against one coward; the odds are right there.
The pot calling the kettle black.
If certain weapons are outlawed, they will be obtained on the black market. As for this shooting rampage, the police made a bad judgment of the situation. But what if the police had information and killed the shooter on his way to the school? Would it have been "Hands Up, Don't Shoot !" globalist sponsored riots throughout the nation like in 2020?
Damn transphobes!
"If certain weapons are outlawed, they will be obtained on the black market. As for this shooting rampage, the police made a bad judgment of the situation. But what if the police had information and killed the shooter on his way to the school? Would it have been "Hands Up, Don't Shoot !" globalist sponsored riots throughout the nation like in 2020?"
Uh, how heavy is that strawman? If you need help carrying it, the ignoramus nardz is always available.
The problem is that frantic parents, telephoned by their crying children, were being blocked from entering the school. This election year, tell candidates that this is a reason to REPEAL the federal ban on Teflon-coated rounds, so parents in that situation can, as quickly and efficiently as possible, clear a path into the school to minimize the loss of innocent human life. Families miss having their child at the supper table, but I don't think any family will miss having a stressed-out goon coming home, getting smashed on "confiscated" drugs and beating up on them.
Whack job christianofascist libertarian-impersonator detected. This is just the sort of infiltrator the GOP wants voters to mentally associate with the word Libertarian, now that voters are everywhere looking for alternatives less hideous, coercive and dangerous than the Gee-Oh-Peee...
Why is a school police officer -- a dawdling half-step above a rent-a-cop -- the 'incident commander?' Municipal or state police should never defer to campus cops, hospital cops, plant cops, or any other glorified security guards. Most or all of those private police agencies should be disbanded. Municipal and state police should conduct law enforcement, not amateurish security personnel who answer to private employers.
In addition, it has been plain for decades that our society needs to find ways to attract better people to law enforcement (and the military).
Better judgment, better temperament, better character. Better training, better equipment, better education. Better accountability, better oversight, better management.
Fewer half-educated, officious, authoritarians seeking the respect they couldn't get without a bad and a gun.
Eat shit and die, asshole bigot.
Politicians order these goons to equivocate vices into crimes and use that as a pretext to commit murder and robbery. Those same Kleptocracy politicians offer their goons immunity from prosecution, lest any become hesitant or importuned by pangs of conscience. Who sends Mr Stedenko, the narc, to lecture children on the joys of initiating deadly force against the defenceless since 1971?
The failure of the gun lobby strategy - more cops and other means to combat a nightmare scenario of very high danger - is being avoided by the right on this. The simple answer is the shooter should not have had easy access to a military weapon which not only blows up kids pretty quickly, but also gives second thoughts to any cops trying to subdue him.
We can't safe plan our way out of this unless we put our kids in bank vaults and get Jack Reacher to stand guard without sleep. Your right to own a gun should not include military weapons designed to kill other humans as quickly and easily as possible.
As to the other excuses, I loved Trump complaining about the demise of the nuclear family. What a role model, that is if your pregnant wife (3rd one) doesn't mind your screwing porn stars while she's pregnant.
More lies from Joe Asshole.
ALL these kid shootings occur in government schools. Non-government schools that survive despite looter taxation and meddling are safer for kids than bank vaults--when it comes to comparisons. Have any looter republicans introduced a bill to exempt private schools from taxation the way they exempt mystical schools and churches?
Progressive: Fuck your thoughts and prayers! Fuck you’re “nows not the time to jump to conclusions”! We need to be talking about the problem and finding a solution!
Normal person: OK, why aren’t the schools and police unions doing their jobs effectively here?
Progressive: Whoa whoa whoa! Slow down! Now’s not the time to question our brave heroes who are recovering from a tragedy!
Brian, you write as if having a shooter armed to the teeth with military grade weapons occupying a classroom full of kids is a normal situation that we should expect to go well. Dude, that's never going to go well. Audie Murphy and John Wayne are dead and Jack Reacher is a fictional character. This isn't a western or Matt Damon movie.
with military grade weapons
Ow, my sides...
Okay, time for you to explain to us what "military grade weapons" are, and why the shooter's firearm was one.
Compact semi-automatic with high capacity magazine firing high velocity rounds. The weapon was designed for military use.
High velocity rounds do extreme damage to flesh and organs, often exploding them from proximity. This is attested to by numerous ER docs - including military veterans - who have treated these type wounds as well as normal handgun wounds and you can easily find this evidence by googling it. The physics behind this fact is that the damage from an object in motion is = mass/2 X velocity squared. Part of the design of these weapons is the higher velocity allows smaller rounds and that means the shooter experiences less recoil, thus maintaining better control.
In my opinion, reasonable gun control would include a ban on sales to the public of weapons with both semi-automatic and high velocity capabilities. Size of magazines should also be restricted.
“ The weapon was designed for military use.”
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
I like the description of a 36" OAL gun as a "compact semi-automatic". Like he'd be OK with things if Ramos had lobbed a couple of cannonballs or artillery shells into the school.
I like the designation of cannonballs or artillery shells...I'm for the right to bear arms, uninfringeable. Where can I buy my own nuclear missiles and roof mounted automatic gun turrets with large caliber ammo? MY RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS CANNOT BE INFRINGED!!!
Nukes are WMD’s.
Goddamn you gungrabbers are fucking stupid.
Compact semi-automatic with high capacity magazine firing high velocity rounds.
You mean like exactly like millions of ordinary hunting rifles? How the fuck does that make them "military grade"?
Do you even know what those words mean?
I know your boss at the fifty-cent factory assigned your sock an average Joe-sixpack construction foreman persona, but you're really just some fat little blue-haired, inner-city, antifa-wannabe who never graduated highschool, never worked in anything more laborious than a barista and doesn't know anything about firearms. Amirite?
Not even close, but your fantasy personal attack is obviously filler for a complete lack of a rebuttal.
Here's some basic facts about me:
I haven't lived in a city (small or large) or a suburb since 1969. I have an AA degree from one of the better state U's. I own a business and have been making payroll for over 40 years.
Try working with that next time you don't have an answer.
"...In my opinion, reasonable gun control would include a ban on sales to the public of weapons with both semi-automatic and high velocity capabilities. Size of magazines should also be restricted."
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults.
Not a one of his posts is worth refuting; like turd he lies and never does anything other than lie. If something in one of Joe Asshole’s posts is not a lie, it is there by mistake. Joe Asshole lies; it's what he does.
Joe Asshole is a psychopathic liar; he is too stupid to recognize the fact, but everybody knows it. You might just as well attempt to reason with or correct a random handful of mud as engage Joe Asshole.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults; Joe Asshole deserves nothing other.
Joe Asshole = sqrlvo
Intellectually at least
I'll give the asshole nardz credit for being such an obvious ignoramus.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
If the government unions whos job it is to protect people won’t do it, then we’ll have to let people do it themselves
Tasing the parents actually willing to go Jack Reacher for their own children: aren’t unions great?
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults.
Not a one of his posts is worth refuting; like turd he lies and never does anything other than lie. If something in one of Joe Asshole’s posts is not a lie, it is there by mistake. Joe Asshole lies; it's what he does.
Joe Asshole is a psychopathic liar; he is too stupid to recognize the fact, but everybody knows it. You might just as well attempt to reason with or correct a random handful of mud as engage Joe Asshole.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults; Joe Asshole deserves nothing other.
Progressives: You’re not allowed to question your government, your public school system, or the law enforcement agencies responsible for protecting you. Now, go ahead and completely disarm.
Me: No thanks. Good luck in the midterms!
Huh? Did you read the article? Cops aren't even obligated to protect you. Why do you have such a high level of confidence that when you need them - and you're not a billionaire or famous - that they'll actually help you?
Instead we get tropes and talking points. Do you believe cops should be accountable? Do you think qualified immunity needs another look? How about civil asset forfeiture and the war on (some) drugs? How about quasi- or illegal surveillance of your cell phone? Nope, just a bunch of word salad about pwogwessives and public schools. Here's a hint: Actual leftists and progressives question police and schools all the time.
Today's progressives tend to suck FBI cock.
The same mystical party that sends cops to shoot and rob people over plant leaves, and wants men with guns to hunt fleeing pregnant women and capture them into involuntary servitude also helps the Dems disarm harmless people for any pretext. I am really looking forward to these mid-terms, and hope they will be as the iceberg that sinks the Satanic.
If you think the police are here to protect YOU, you're wrong.
https://therealnews.com/he-called-cops-for-help-they-broke-down-his-door-and-arrested-him-instead
Are there any billboards available in the vicinity? I'm strongly tempted to put up a sign saying "There is no apology more sincere than Hara-Kiri."
-jcr
The police "dawdled"?
Isn't this what REASON has demanded?
Surely REASON does not want to the police to go in, guns blazing, like paramilitary cops.
Next time there is an active shooter, we can send in the REASON crew to read the Non-Aggression Principle.
Can you give us a cite where a Reason writer proposed "dawdling" when a gunman was killing people?
Reason wants politicians to NOT send cops to shoot people over non-violent, non-crimes the superstitious refer to as vice. Nobody at Reason ever said the cops should let violent murders occur while they are busy robbing elderly people's life savings under cover of asset forfeiture. Didn't these murders ramp up after G Waffen Bush convinced the cops their job was to rob the defenceless?
Still waiting.
Or should you just admit to being a random bullshit slinger?
Looking like the latter, asshole
Hey, shitpile, how long does it take to defend your bullshit? Perhaps more time than you could live, asshole?
LOL
Sqrlvo doesn't realize that he is just as idiotic as the sqrlsys, Hank Phillips, KARen, etc
The syphilis sqrlvo got from turning tricks in SF bathhouses really is accelerating his decline.
I'll give the asshole nardz credit for being such an obvious ignoramus.
Eat shit and die, asshole.
...whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. A week ago it was white supremacists that supposedly went amok shooting people. There was no White Supremacist shooter. Before that it was guns that supposedly attached to people and went off shooting. Yet 50 and 100 years ago there were lots of guns and no amok Americans. Only after the Nixon Administration and Silent Majority took over government schools did we begin hearing about these shootings, 99.9% of them in government schools and mystical churches. Do government schools and mystical churches cause the shootings?
I will give sqrlvo credit here though: like a good little Brock boy, he did successfully prevent any discussion other than "cops bad"
He'll now be muted again, though he'll continue stalking me because he is sick, pathetic, and not nearly bright enough to know when to shut the fuck up.
I'll give the asshole nardz credit for being such an obvious ignoramus.
Eat shit and die, asshole.
What would Kyle Rittenhouse do?
Probably not waited for an hour!
It's not getting better:
"...As the gunman fired at students, law enforcement officers from other agencies urged the school police chief to let them move in because children were in danger, two law enforcement officials said.
The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they had not been authorized to talk publicly about the investigation.
One of the officials said audio recordings from the scene capture officers from other agencies telling the school police chief that the shooter was still active and that the priority was to stop him. But it wasn’t clear why the school chief ignored their warnings..."
https://www.columbian.com/news/2022/may/28/police-inaction-moves-to-center-of-uvalde-shooting-probe/
To repeat, this happened in Texas and the solutions are from a thoroughly red state legislature and governor. This is what you all proscribed - armed guards at schools will take care of it. Well, maybe, but maybe not. We're talking chaotic charged situations with a shooter who has arms as good as the cops. If you have Jack Reacher on your force, maybe it ends up like in the movies. If not, shit happens!
PS Bears noting only because of ideology of many here, but the Feds were the cops who brought this to an end and apparently they were held back at 1st by the locals.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults.
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Joe Asshole is a psychopathic liar; he is too stupid to recognize the fact, but everybody knows it. You might just as well attempt to reason with or correct a random handful of mud as engage Joe Asshole.
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I spent 25 years in LE, and live in a community that had a nearby school shooting years ago. Since that happened we were trained that once you got on scene, the first few officers, or the first two, or just you if you're the first one there, get your guns out and head directly to the shooting and engage the suspect. No waiting, no standing by for a tactical team, you just go. The quicker you engage, the quicker you divert the suspect from his goal of murder, and the more likely either you take him out or he takes himself out.
The NBC station in Houston today reported that the US Marshals are claiming they were told to stand down by local cops. Like when are US Marshals ever told by a hick town police force to stand down? All the different law enforcement divisions are shifting blame and pointing fingers. Story just keeps getting more disturbing
The Uvalde police show go to their local sporting good store.
They could buy some buy some balls there.
Government have an interesting way of managing this sort of incident. They work hard to prevent a non-police solution t be successful, whilst at the same time working even harder to assure no one but "the Only Ones" are ever armed and present when needed. They HATE being upstaged by any entity other than themselves. Thus their drive to disarm you and I, and/or otherwise. prevent them from being effective.