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Abortion

Senate Democrats Try and Fail To Codify Roe v. Wade Abortion Protection

Plus: Texas' social media law goes back into effect, inflation worries voters, and more...

Robby Soave | 5.12.2022 9:31 AM

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Senate Democrats tried—and failed—to codify Roe v. Wade's protections for abortion on Wednesday, with all Republicans and Sen. Joe Manchin (D–W.Va.) opposing the measure, named the Women's Health Protection Act. The vote was 51–49.

"This vote clearly suggests that the Senate is not where the majority of Americans are on this issue," said Vice President Kamala Harris yesterday. "A priority for all that care about this issue — the priority — should be to elect pro-choice leaders."

Democrats would have needed 60 votes to get the bill passed. But they didn't even get to a simple majority. The Washington Post has more:

The lack of a long-range plan of action has become especially conspicuous after the leak of the draft opinion, which represented the culmination of a nearly 50-year effort by conservatives to reverse Roe and pave the way for state efforts to severely restrict or prohibit abortion. The frustration was captured last week by California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D), who responded to the opinion by asking, "Where the hell's my party? … Where's the counteroffensive?"

In another internecine squabble, many Democrats responded to the draft opinion by calling on the Senate to again debate eliminating the filibuster — the 60-vote supermajority rule that allows a united minority to block most legislation — even though a January test vote on voting rights legislation showed that there is not enough support for it among Democratic senators.

A group of lawmakers has begun meeting to plan next steps on related measures, thinking about what the Democrats can advance via legislation or administration action. The effort is being led by Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.) and includes other female lawmakers in Democratic leadership: Sens. Debbie Stabenow (Mich.), Elizabeth Warren (Mass.), Catherine Cortez Masto (Nev.), Amy Klobuchar (Minn.) and Tammy Baldwin (Wis.), according to a Senate Democratic aide, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe internal discussions.

But interviews with lawmakers this week revealed clashing views over how best to highlight the looming threat to abortion over the coming months, including whether to hold votes on narrower bills that would protect only a portion of the rights secured by Roe and related cases but could serve to more sharply highlight the depth of the Republican opposition.

Justice Samuel Alito's draft opinion is still the only one circulating within the Supreme Court, according to Politico.


FREE MINDS

Texas' controversial social media law, which punishes tech platforms for banning users over political content, is back in effect. An appeals court ruled Wednesday that the law should remain in place while its constitutionality is decided by another court. As The Texas Tribune reports:

The decision hands a win to Republicans who have long criticized social media platforms such as Twitter for what they call anti-conservative bias — disapproval that was amplified when President Donald Trump was banned from Twitter for violating the platform's rules on inciting violence during the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol.

The order did not evaluate the law on its constitutionality but instead allows the law to go back into effect while the case proceeds in district court, according to a statement from one of the plaintiff groups. The ruling came from a three-judge panel on the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals — which is often considered the most conservative appeals court in the country — and was not accompanied by a written opinion explaining the decision at the time of publication.

Chris Marchese of NetChoice, a trade group that works with tech companies, described the decision as an unprecedented assault on the First Amendment.

As promised, our full statement. HB 20 is an assault on the First Amendment, and it's constitutionally rotten from top to bottom. So of course we're going to appeal today's unprecedented, unexplained, and unfortunate order by a split 2-1 panel. https://t.co/hChUkISHtO pic.twitter.com/UwdIVIHIn5

— Chris Marchese (@ChrisMarchese9) May 11, 2022

The law is indeed a mess that will significantly compromise the ability of tech companies to remove content for any reason, since they won't want to risk lawsuits from litigious, aggrieved parties.


FREE MARKETS

Rep. Katie Porter (D–Calif.) told Politico that many of her Democratic colleagues have been reluctant to acknowledge the toll that inflation is taking on working class families:

Only after Rep. Katie Porter put bacon in her cart at her local grocery store recently did she notice that its price had spiked to $9.99 a pound. Reluctantly, she put the package back.

It was a dose of reality that Porter, a California progressive and single mother of three, has long understood. But she's not sure all of her Democratic colleagues share her interest in connecting to average Americans' experiences outside the Beltway.

When Porter gave an emotional speech about how inflation has been hitting her family for months during a private House Democratic Caucus meeting last week, she said it seemed like the first time the personal toll of high consumer prices had sunk in for some lawmakers in the room.

"Too often, Congress recognizes issues too late," Porter, a top GOP target this fall in a swing district, said in an interview. "I had a colleague mention to me, 'We're not seeing it in the polls' … Well, you don't know what to ask."

Panic about inflation actually shows up quite easily in the polls, so the fact that Democrats don't recognize how much it matters to voters is a significant indictment. More than a month ago, Gallup found that concerns about inflation were higher than they have ever been.


QUICK HITS

• The U.S. is expected to reach a "grim milestone": 1 million deaths from COVID-19.

• Health and Human Services Secretary Xavier Becerra told governors that the administration does not know "when the [public health emergency] will end."

• Finland's leaders want to join NATO.

• Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R–Ga.) and Dan Crenshaw (R–Texas) feuded on Twitter over sending aid to Ukraine.

• Did the American Civil Liberties Union forget that women exist?

Abortion bans disproportionately harm:
▪️ Black, Indigenous & other people of color
▪️ the LGBTQ community
▪️ immigrants
▪️ young people
▪️ those working to make ends meet
▪️ people with disabilities

Protecting abortion access is an urgent matter of racial and economic justice.

— ACLU (@ACLU) May 11, 2022

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Senate Democrats tried—and failed—to codify Roe v. Wade's protections for abortion on Wednesday...

    Gays hardest hit.

    1. Moonrocks   3 years ago

      Note that this somehow isn't a Bipartisan rejection of the Democrats' bill.

      1. MasterThief   3 years ago

        By the standards of Reason and the media at large, this is how it should be reported. However, the standards are clearly just based on partisanship.
        In fairness, I don't consider something "bipartisan" if there's just a few members who vote against their party. This is no more "bipartisan" than all the garbage Romney or a few other RINOs vote along with dems on.

        1. Stuck in California   3 years ago

          True.

          Likewise, I don't think it's an "Attempt to codify" the roe v wade. It was nakedly partisan, and not presented seriously. The bill's role was just to try and force a republican vote against it to gain a wedge issue for the primaries.

          A true attempt would be carefully worded, vetted to pass constitutional muster, have multiple sponsors, and likely have either started, or have a similar legislation concurrently, in the House.

          1. HorseConch   3 years ago

            This may help electrify the 15-20% that love killing babies, but I don't see this as a needle mover. The vast majority of us pro-choicers have way more in common with the hardcore pro-life crowd than the ones that want full-term abortion to be legal. As usual, they have severely overplayed a winning hand.

          2. Brett Bellmore   3 years ago

            Moreover, it wasn't an attempt to codify Roe, in the sense that it would have codified a position on abortion much more extreme than Roe, bad as Roe was. It was elective abortion right up to viability without any restrictions whatsoever, and only a bit of meaningless hand waving in the direction of medical necessity after viability.

            S. 4132 (PCS) - Women’s Health Protection Act of 2022

    2. Bubba Jones   3 years ago

      “[Democrats are] trying to make people believe that this is the same thing as codifying Roe v. Wade,” Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin said, explaining his opposition. “This is not the same. It expands abortion.”

      1. R Mac   3 years ago

        A Democrat Senator is being more honest about a Democrat bill than Reason. But it’s got nothing to do with Reason’s mission before the midterms.

  2. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

    How does abortion bans hurt gays?

    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

      They get lumped into the terrible actions of abortion activists decreasing the support of their activism.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        I thought that voiding Roe means we are then committed to banning gay marriage, taking the vote away from women, and restoring slavery.

        1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

          And don’t forget the coronation of the “great MAGA King”.

          1. HorseConch   3 years ago

            That's the most dangerous part. I'm torn, because the CDC makes me think I destroy my guns so that some gangbanger in Chicago doesn't kill some innocent gang bangers with them. On the other hand, how will I protect myself from the current wave of UltraMaga overtaking the country.

    2. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      ^. it literally makes no sense whatsoever

    3. Muzzled Woodchipper   3 years ago

      That was my question.

      How does a result that can only happen after engaging in heterosexual sex somehow affect gays, lesbians, etc “disproportionately”?

      1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

        only proggie logic can explain

      2. Moonrocks   3 years ago

        It makes sense in a world where "cake" is a gender.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          Is or has?

          1. Moonrocks   3 years ago

            Is.

            1. R Mac   3 years ago

              Why not both?

          2. Griffin3   3 years ago

            Yes.
            Don't other the cake!

            1. HorseConch   3 years ago

              It effects it in the same way that Janet Yellin wants us to know that it will harm the economy. Next Biden slobberfest will remind us that the pro-life crowd are causing inflation.

              1. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

                Just look at the cost of baby formula!!

    4. Brian   3 years ago

      Let me put in my crazy hat:

      Ok, so if you’re a trans man and you get pregnant because you’re letting dudes duck your man vagina, you probably want to abort the baby to avoid the baby bump that will inevitably show up and erase your existence. Having to go full term with a baby forces a trans man to live the lie that he is a woman.

      Of course, taking a dick in the cooter seems kind of a womanly thing to do. But apparently the only decent thing is to treat these people however they ask.

    5. Nagger with an attitude   3 years ago

      You know what would be delicious is that if there were a genetic test that could find the "gay" gene and at that point christians using the test and aborting their gay babies when they tested "gay"

    6. EISTAU Gree-Vance   3 years ago

      Dude, everything “disproportionately harms” POC, LBGTQ, etc. etc. It doesn’t have to make sense.

      Don’t you even prog?

  3. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    A priority for all that care about this issue — the priority — should be to elect pro-choice leaders.

    That's surprising, the predictable failure is being used to spur voters.

    1. Brian   3 years ago

      They’ve managed to find the silver lining, somehow.

  4. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

    The public health emergency will end as soon as every "public health" beurocrat is dead

  5. JesseAz   3 years ago

    The AP and Sen Warren think losing a vote 49 to 50 means the minority filibustered the bill.

    The Hill
    @thehill
    .@SenWarren: "I believe in democracy, and I don't believe the minority should have the ability to block things that the majority wants to do. That's not in the Constitution. [...] It's time to get rid of the filibuster." http://hill.cm/Q1zVreV

    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

      Zeke Miller
      @ZekeJMiller
      WASHINGTON (AP) — Senate Democrats' bill to write Roe v. Wade into law blocked by GOP-led filibuster as Supreme Court weighs abortion case.

      1. Moonrocks   3 years ago

        Does this count as disinformation?

        1. CE   3 years ago

          It seems to qualify on 3 counts.

          1. HorseConch   3 years ago

            It's rightfully so fucking stupid that I wouldn't dignify it with the disinformation label. It's certainly an outright fucking lie, though.

    2. Zeb   3 years ago

      So, for example, what if the majority wants to ban abortion after 20 weeks? Or altogether? Is a majority of federal legislators all that counts, or does democracy also apply to state legislatures in, for example, Alabama?
      I guess they don't give a fuck about consistency. But it seems so blatant to one minute argue for a precedent that prevents a particular issue from being democratically addressed and the next to argue that simple majority should always rule.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        My reading of the draft is that the opinion heavily cites abortion as a state issue and federal laws on the issue would also be illegal.

        I'll wait for the final decision. But the implications seem pretty clear. The question wasn't before the court so it wasn't explicitly there, but it sets up the courts to strike down any federal law.

        This should be a state issue.

        Right to travel exists. Pro abortion groups can fund travel for abortion if needed just like some companies are choosing to do.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          But I thought that voiding Roe means that we can legally lock pregnant women into stables along with other livestock.

          1. DesigNate   3 years ago

            TJJ assured me that it means women are going to be forced to get pregnant.

            Finally, equity for ugly dudes to procreate is just around the corner!

            1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

              B.S. LIES....... I said it means women are going to be forced to reproduce.....

          2. TJJ2000   3 years ago

            Well one thing is for sure.... It legally REQUIRES the (mythical creature) "baby" be locked up into the stables of another person. I just can't figure out if the Stable-Hand mother is getting screwed here or ?baby? is but it sounds like something they should work out together instead of having EVERYONE'S NOSE IN IT.

            1. R Mac   3 years ago

              “It legally REQUIRES the (mythical creature) "baby" be locked up into the stables of another person.”

              Don’t know why you’d bring horses into this.

        2. Bubba Jones   3 years ago

          That's not how I read it. They documented that it wasn't a pre-existing right in state or common law.

          The topic was a state law, so they deferred to the state. I think SCOTUS has a long history of letting feds overrule states on anything they want.

          1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

            It does, though we've seen a court that has slowly began to lean back towards the idea of enumerated powers of the Constitution. It's a hard road, let's hope it keeps going that way.

          2. TJJ2000   3 years ago

            Ironically that's how Roe v Wade came to the SCOTUS..
            Texas banned abortion entirely and Roe questioned the laws Constitutionality and SCOTUS gave 'PEOPLE' an inalienable right to their body up to 'viability'...

            Without fairy tail creatures it makes complete sense.

            1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

              Frankly the SCOTUS would be wise to rule a persistent right to Fetal Ejection but State's can take interest on it's process (not killing what might be-made individual).

              But lets get real here there is ZERO chance before 'viability'.

              1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

                And because the chance of individual existence is ZERO it's not SAVING a D*MN thing (except mythical creatures in one's one imagination)... IT IS FORCED reproduction.

      2. Quicktown Brix   3 years ago

        This is simple. The minority shouldn't be able to block the majority when we're discussing an issue where I agree with the majority...even a 49% majority apparently?

      3. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

        The Left has no history. The arguments they made yesterday do not have any influence over the arguments they make today or today on tomorrow. They are not advancing principles, just their momentary advantage.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

          They are not advancing principles, just their momentary advantage.

          Their will to power is a more precise way of putting it.

          Hitler actually mentioned in Mein Kampf that the main reason he hated communists so much was because you could have a discussion with them, and the very next day they'd make the same arguments as if they hadn't been addressed the day before.

          Unfortunately, the only thing that really breaks through the far left's obstinancy is direct force, which is why guys like Frank Little ended up swinging from a rope, and most radical leftist movements end up getting liquidated when the people they're targeting decide to fully fight back instead of taking half measures--because they realize that these people have a messiah complex, and aren't going to stop due to the fact that they feel entitled to whatever it is they're trying to achieve ("perpetual revolution").

          1. Griffin3   3 years ago

            Huh. "the very next day they'd make the same arguments as if they hadn't been addressed the day before." overlaps a lot with the discussion of people acting like NPCs.

    3. Nardz   3 years ago

      "and I don't believe the minority should have the ability to block things that the majority wants to do. That's not in the Constitution"

      LOL

    4. Moonrocks   3 years ago

      and I don't believe the minority should have the ability to block things that the majority wants to do

      So she's pleased with the outcome of the Senate vote?

  6. JesseAz   3 years ago

    Biden seems very angry that his policies are helping lead to inflation and other issues. Starts screaming about lines for food boxes and ultra maga again.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/KamVTV/status/1524503313475162113

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      “The great MAGA king”!

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        He can't meme like most democrats. These new phrases are exciting the right. Trump was already releasing trailers about king of maga and ultra maga merchandise.

        1. Nardz   3 years ago

          The great MAGA king leading an ultra MAGA army to conquest just sounds so right

    2. Nardz   3 years ago

      https://twitter.com/MythinformedMKE/status/1524762003465809922?t=WWm3oiNtpk-BpCY6v-QtrA&s=19

      [Meme]

    3. R Mac   3 years ago

      That’s…terrifying actually.

  7. JesseAz   3 years ago

    Democrats say we need abortion due to inflation.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/democrat-katie-porter-women-need-to-be-able-to-have-abortions-due-to-bad-inflation-under-biden

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      See, we told you inflation would be good for people.

  8. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Where the hell's my party? …

    Trying to abort its future base up to the point of crowning.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Or at least the first third of the baby emerging.

      1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

        It's better that 10,000 poor babies are killed than accidentally allowing another Tim Scott into the world.

  9. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

    "Rep. Katie Porter (D–Calif.) told Politico that many of her Democratic colleagues have been reluctant to acknowledge the toll that inflation is taking on working class families"

    OK. Even if the i-word existed*, Democratic disconnection from working-class concerns is actually a good thing. Because the modern Democratic Party's base is Wall Street, Silicon Valley, multimillionaire entertainers, and billionaires.

    #OBLsFirstLaw

    * Of course, Reason's leading economics expert has repeatedly explained that the i-word is a wingnut.com myth; the Biden economy is so fantastic that the only way to criticize it is to lie.

  10. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

    .. and I don't believe the minority should have the ability to block things that the majority wants to do.

    Really? Because that’s actually the way things are set up. We protect the minority.

    “Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what they are going to have for lunch.”
    —Benjamin Franklin

    1. R Mac   3 years ago

      Benjamin Franklin owned slaves. Check mate.

      1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        I will no longer use $100 bills.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          So brave!

          1. R Mac   3 years ago

            And stunning!

  11. JesseAz   3 years ago

    Looks like rig counts are going to flailing again.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/while-gas-hits-record-high-biden-administration-cancels-enormous-alaska-oil-and-gas-lease-sale

    Apparently doubling lease costs on the limited lease options on land most likely not to have energy while having the DoJ group with environmental groups to help sue oil producers for environmental justice has caused the number of bids to decrease. Who knew.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Not getting into money losing operations is corporate greed.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Just like not letting progressives impose a totalitarian state is fascism.

    2. Minadin   3 years ago

      Yeah, I saw that this morning too:

      https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-alaska-oil-gas-lease-sale-canceled/

      Right as gas prices are hitting record highs on a consecutive daily basis.

      1. Nardz   3 years ago

        I'm amazed that we're apparently still ok with this

        1. Minadin   3 years ago

          The QT across from my office had a price of $3.99 for regular when I arrived for work yesterday, and $4.29 when I went to lunch.

    3. Moonrocks   3 years ago

      No, you don't understand. It's those greedy evil capitalist oil companies that are gouging Americans by not pumping more oil to sell at record high prices.

  12. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

    The only reason to say abortion "hurts" the trannie is because it forces them to face the reality that what they identify as isn't what they are

  13. Agammamon   3 years ago

    I have a question - if there is no constitutional right' to abortion and this it's is something left up to the states to regulate, what would have been the point if they had passed this?

    I mean (assuming RvW is overturned) once RvW is overturned *this law* would also be unconstitutional.

    1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   3 years ago

      It would be a great way to finally trim back the Commerce Clause

    2. Full Of Buckminster   3 years ago

      Overturning Roe v. Wade doesn’t mean it’s up to the states, even though that’s what just about everyone Is saying. It means it’s up to the legislatures, including the federal legislature.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Alitos draft strongly hints the federal government does not have a constitutional allowance over the abortion issue.

      2. Agammamon   3 years ago

        No, the opinion states that it should be overturned because the federal government has no authority to regulate abortion - it's neither a 'constitutional right' nor one of the fedgov's enumerated powers.

      3. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

        The opinion (correctly) states that the Constitution makes no mention of abortion and, accordingly, it is within the powers of the state governments and not the federal government.

    3. Not Robbers=Nut Rubbers   3 years ago

      What's going to be great is when this is the issue that gets the filibuster nuked by Republicans. Listening to Democrats scream about states' rights, which right now they view as dog whistles for every identity group they can name, will be sweet music.

      1. TrickyVic (old school)   3 years ago

        The dems loved state rights when the subject is legal weed.

        1. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

          Or immigration.

        2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

          Sanctuary cities.

          1. Stuck in California   3 years ago

            I recall some very loud Ds here talking about secession when Trump was elected. Seriously. Even got sympathetic press.

        3. DesigNate   3 years ago

          Or owning other people.

    4. TJJ2000   3 years ago

      Excellent question; And I'd say the point was to put the POWER of every maternal healthcare choice into National Hands. Granite this particular legislation would try to supersede State Powers for Individual Choice but as someone else posted.

      If the 'feds' can force reproduction they can also force abortion....

      And don't kid yourselves. If SCOTUS isn't going to hold that a pregnant Woman is property of herself (or has any rights to her body with ZERO reason) they sure as heck aren't going to block any other legislative force. As-if the mountains of federal legislation outside the boundaries of the premise of the U.S. Constitution wasn't already showing that in truck loads.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Do you think a fetus with unique DNA is part of the mother? I mean science used to assume that, but that was over 100 years ago at this point.

        1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

          Do you think a pregnant woman is more than one person?? /s
          I have "science" that says what you see isn't what is *real*... /s

          And P.S.; Every person (mythical creature) has a inalienable right to live in somebody else's womb. /s

          Funny; I thought every person without crime had an inalienable right to not be seized by someone else.

          1. R Mac   3 years ago

            Sqrlsy?

            1. DesigNate   3 years ago

              I don’t think he’s parody.

              1. R Mac   3 years ago

                Just being diligent.

          2. But SkyNet is a Private Company   3 years ago

            Are you high, or just deranged?

          3. TJJ2000   3 years ago

            Name-calling is always the default option for failed propaganda.

            1. R Mac   3 years ago

              Not calling names, just asking.

              1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

                No; I don't use any other screen name.

                1. R Mac   3 years ago

                  Was “loveconstitution1789” your father?

                  1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

                    Nope; but whatever happened to that guy?
                    I tended to like his input.

    5. Square = Circle   3 years ago

      what would have been the point if they had passed this?

      It was never intended to pass.

      1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

        It was just soft-core porn for the real porn to show up after SCOTUS rules 'those' pregnant people have no body rights.

        1. soldiermedic76   3 years ago

          That isn't what the decisions states. And I see you ignore all the arguments that contradict your simplistic and wrong interpretation. Typical of the pro-choice crowd (which I actually fall mostly on), you would rather argue a caricature rather than the actual facts or positions of those whom disagree with you. Keep it up, the more you demagogue the more likely people will solidify into the very position you state they already have.

          1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

            You're probably right.... The State's (having been already given interest in a 'part' of her) can already force any 'viable' pregnant woman to do whatever they want and they haven't started dictating meal plans yet even though the door is open.

            I get a little over excited seeing the government enact more and more and more and more dictation/regulation everyday. See the frog in the boiling water more than I prob should.

  14. Longtobefree   3 years ago

    a "grim milestone": 1 million deaths from COVID-19.

    I guess then, not so grim?
    63 million aborted babies,

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Hey, if those babies didn’t want to be aborted, they wouldn’t have dressed like that.

    2. JesseAz   3 years ago

      You mean 63 million potential covid spreaders.

    3. TJJ2000   3 years ago

      What "babies"???

      1. soldiermedic76   3 years ago

        Babies is a colloquial term, it doesn't have an actual scientific definition. The correct term is infant after delivery. Trying to argue semantics when you aren't even using the correct term is an idiotic debate strategy. The correct scientific and medical term after delivery is infant, not baby. Baby is a common use and can apply to the concepta at any point after conception. God I love the pseudoscientific semantics pro choice people try to use. Like above, neither the zygote, embryo, fetus or infant are mythical beings. They are separate humans genetically and physiologically. You are arguing the rights of personhood based upon a human beings place of residency. It's a losing argument, as polling shows while even the majority support legal abortion they also support laws regulating this and support laws that ban most abortions after a certain point in fetal development. The Mississippi law, which was the focus of the USSC case, is in line with the vast majority of the developed world, especially the western world. It isn't an arcane law that creates a sexual serfism. It's a fairly well accepted limit, and balances the rights of the mother against the rights of the fetus. Stating this however, weakens your case that the pro life Republicans are harkening to implement a real life handmaiden tale. It's a disingenuous argument based not on the reality but on fear mongering. And frankly it's a losing strategy, because most people don't support abortion up to and including active labor.

        1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

          Oh horsesh*t.... I'm countering B.S. imaginative propaganda..... I thought maybe you had something important to say - ur just white-knighting for the Pro-Life mob.

          What "baby"???

          1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

            I.e. Set if FREE and we'll see just how "human being" it really is.

    4. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      I’m sure there are many anti-abortion conservatives who are very concerned whether that is from or with COVID-19, but quite unconcerned with distinguishing between embryos, fetuses, and babies.

  15. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

    The U.S. is expected to reach a "grim milestone": 1 million deaths from COVID-19.

    After 2-1/2 years.
    The official predictions called for 3 million in one year.

    1. Zeb   3 years ago

      Yeah, counting year over year is not right. If we did that with flu we'd be into many millions.

      1. soldiermedic76   3 years ago

        Probably billions, world wide, if not higher. Influenza has been around for a very long time, and causes hundreds of thousands of deaths world wide almost every year, and tens of thousands on the US. In the US, if we estimate an average of 10,000 deaths a year, and limit it to the founding of the country, 1776, death toll would be 2.45 million. Spanish influenza killed 500,000-800,000 in the US alone in 3 years (and our population was a third of today's). If we adjusted for today's population, Spanish flu killed up 1.5 to 2.4+ million in the same time frame as what COVID did.

        1. soldiermedic76   3 years ago

          It should also be noted that COVID deaths are heavily biased to the right, while Spanish influenza deaths were biased to the left (killed healthy young and young adults at a higher rate than older people). US deaths also don't count the US servicemen who died overseas, and deaths from influenza are estimated to approximate deaths from combat during that period.

    2. JesseAz   3 years ago

      Over half under Biden.

    3. CE   3 years ago

      See, the lockdowns worked.

    4. Moonrocks   3 years ago

      One thousand, one million, what difference, at this point, does it make?

  16. JesseAz   3 years ago

    Project Veritas continues to fight over recordsegally seized by the FBI around claims they stole Schley Bidens diary. It wasn't stolen. They don't have it. They tried to return it through the group that does have it.

    https://justthenews.com/accountability/media/project-veritas-lawyer-fbi-doj-harassing-journalists-critical-biden

    1. Illocust   3 years ago

      I don't see them getting very far. My understanding is they have to fight this in a New York Court. Which means they'll be hard pressed for a fair trial.

      1. Nardz   3 years ago

        I'm amazed that we're apparently still ok with this

        1. Idaho Bob   3 years ago

          "We" aren't ok with this shit. Many of us understand there is only one box option remaining.

    2. Moonrocks   3 years ago

      They don't have it.

      So the FBI is engaged in disinformation? What's going to happen to them?

    3. Overt   3 years ago

      This should be a big fucking deal. Especially this:

      "Calli's motion revealed how in March, Project Veritas was notified by Microsoft, its electronic communications service provider, that for over a year the government had been secretly seizing and reviewing the media organization's emails and other electronic information through sweeping search warrants under nondisclosure orders."

      Since March of 2021, the fucking FBI was reading PV's emails. This is an enormous breach of public trust, and it shouldn't be a surprise that it started up right after Biden's administration came into power.

      1. Nardz   3 years ago

        And?
        What are we, or anyone, going to do about it?

        1. Cyto   3 years ago

          Ooh! I know this one!

          Not a damn thing!!

          Did I get it right? I got it right, didn't I?

          1. Yatusabes   3 years ago

            +1

      2. JasonAZ   3 years ago

        You'd think a Libertarian magazine would cover a story like this, but icky conservatives get what they deserve.

  17. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

    "Abortion bans disproportionately harm:
    ▪️ people with disabilities"

    Yeah. By allowing them to exist at all.

    There are so many genetically defective, barely human creatures whose pathetic lives simply are not worth living. Like dwarves. Or retards. Or people with 11 fingers. Or 9 fingers.

    If you don't share my enthusiasm for using abortion to exterminate genetic impurities, you're a literal Nazi.

    #LibertariansForEradicatingTheUnfit
    #SupportingAbortionMakesMeAGoodPerson

    1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   3 years ago

      Too subtle

    2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Needs more references to billionaires.

    3. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

      #IsOBLrelatedtoMargaretSanger?

    4. R Mac   3 years ago

      Who would we toss at the fair?

    5. TJJ2000   3 years ago

      I so should've had sex today; I probably didn't allow someone to exist... Wonder if the "baby" white-knight squad is doing to come after me.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Every sperm is sacred.

      2. JesseAz   3 years ago

        It is amazing how bad the pro abortion crowd arguments are getting at this point.

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          Disingenuity is the only defense they have.

          1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

            Believing that People should have complete ownership over their body is soooooooooooooooooo Disingenuous... /s

            1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

              Sure, as long as you don't fuck over other peoples bodies to do it.
              I'm fine with abortion if nobody gets hurt, but you guys always want to kill someone over it. It's like you think bodily autonomy only counts for one person.

              1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

                Establish the 'kill someone' else and your stance might have a prayer.

                Matter of fact; If one was just to make *actual* "killing" of the fetus illegal but allowed it's *freedom* as an individual then all would be perfect right? right?...

                Free the Fetus!

                1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                  Establish the 'kill someone' else and your stance might have a prayer.

                  Okay. Killing a living human being in any stage of their life.

                  "If one was just to make *actual* "killing" of the fetus illegal but allowed it's *freedom* as an individual then all would be perfect right? right?..."

                  Lol, wut? Did you hit your head?
                  Yes, killing people should be illegal.

                  1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

                    Just because "killing people" should be illegal (WHICH IRONICALLY ALREADY IS)... Doesn't mean you can run around calling everything you want a 'person'.

                    What "person"???

                    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                      The fetus which is obviously a living human being you nauseatingly dishonest fuck.

                    2. TJJ2000   3 years ago

                      Oh; That mythical creature (pre viable) that you *PRETEND* is a living human being but *CANNOT* make it a living human being with all the medical technology in the world at it's whim???

                      The only one's being dishonest around here are propaganda indoctrinated fools; who can't face even a speckle of reality.

                2. Yatusabes   3 years ago

                  You literally no nothing about this topic.

                  Gametes / Germ cells are haploid, 23 chromosomes. They have no cytosolic organelles to synthesize ATP. They can not conduct aerobic nor anaerobic respiration. They can not undergo cell division. When germ cells fuse (sperm and egg) they create a cell with diploid chromosomal number, 46 chromosome, have cytosolic organelles, can synthesize ATP, undergo aerobic and anaerobic respiration, and undergo cell division, because live cells are defined by these very traits

                  Proaborts live in the middle ages when it comes to the sciences. You people are purposely evil

                  1. Yatusabes   3 years ago

                    no = know

                  2. TJJ2000   3 years ago

                    but, but, but "The Science"....

                    Well let me clue you on your "science"... It still can't make that thing an Individual.... Only imagination can.

          2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

            Well, that and drama queen ranting.

            1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

              "Just shut-up and take our dictation over your personal life."
              - signed; the proud dictators.

              1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                My personal life doesn't include killing other people. Nobody's should.

                1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

                  What "other people"???

                  1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                    The embryo, the fetus, the infant, the child, the teenager, the young man, the father, the grandfather.

                    Tell us again about the birth canal fairy and how only she can turn you into a human.

                    1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

                      My appendixes are human; maybe you'd like to ban appendix removal too? People having a right to their body??

                      Yeah right... That stuff inside you might be human!!!! /s

                      How about we set the 'human' FREE from it's bondages and find out how much B.S. the Pro-Life crowd is sponsoring....

                    2. TJJ2000   3 years ago

                      And what is the purpose of all the B.S. propaganda???
                      [WE] MOB RULES!!!!!!

                    3. JesseAz   3 years ago

                      Your ranting again implies you believe a baby in the womb is a growth of the same mother until it magically switches DNA through the magic of the vagina fairy.

                      I'm guessing you failed biology?

                    4. TJJ2000   3 years ago

                      The magical switch is when you allow it to be FREE'D...
                      And it ****IS*** an actual Living, Breathing **INDIVIDUAL** PERSON.

                    5. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                      "My appendixes are human; maybe you'd like to ban appendix removal too?"

                      If you're appendix was an individual then yes, you disingenuous fuck. But unlike a fetus it isn't.
                      I realize you're dishonest little game here is to play a fetus off like any other organ, but it's not. It's got a unique genetic code with it's own appendix, and heart, lungs, liver, bones and a working brain.

                      But you realize this and are lying to assuage your guilt. You're such a fucking monster.

                    6. TJJ2000   3 years ago

                      OMG Really! Well set that individual free and we can all move on with our lives. What's the point of this back-n-forth arguing about a mythical creature? MAKE IT INDIVIDUAL if it truly is an INDIVIDUAL.

              2. But SkyNet is a Private Company   3 years ago

                Yeah, how dare they tell those slave owners what to do on their own plantations

                1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

                  Set the "slaves" FREE!!!!!!!!!!!

                  1. R Mac   3 years ago

                    How about the puppies?

                  2. TJJ2000   3 years ago

                    What "slaves"??? <-- Exactly..... I have to admit it's funner playing with mythical creature ?rights? game, but it's definitely more stupid/imaginative. No unicorn should have to be bound like that!

                    1. R Mac   3 years ago

                      Are you talking to yourself?

        2. Minadin   3 years ago

          https://notthebee.com/article/its-shocking-how-little-the-left-understands-the-pro-life-movement

      3. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        Yes, because it's not like we've been calling for over the counter pill sales and for lazy sluts to use them and condoms.

        1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

          Well after the "baby" squad cancels a Woman's right to her own body..

          THEN you all can FORCE her by LAW to take her pills...

          1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            Lol, like after the murder squad cancels a child's right to their own body.

            Only the lazy whore gets bodily autonomy, right?

            1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

              What "child"???

              1. Yatusabes   3 years ago

                ^^^^

                Anencephaly

              2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                The one in the pregnant woman's belly you dishonest fuck. You can be someone's child at 8 hours or 80 years.

                The birth canal fairy doesn't exist.

                1. Yatusabes   3 years ago

                  This child:

                  https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-reacts-leaked-draft-supreme-court-opinion-abortion/story?id=84467397

                  "The idea that we're going to make a judgment that is going to say that no one can make the judgment to choose to abort a child, based on a decision by the Supreme Court, I think goes way overboard," he said.

                  Thus Joe Biden spaketh

                  1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

                    Set the "Child" Free!!!! Funny you slavers have such a qualm about it.

                    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                      The slavers are the psychopaths who refuse to recognize the humanity of the aborted.

                    2. TJJ2000   3 years ago

                      Frankly; The only one who cares about YOUR humanity is YOU.
                      Trying to use Gov-Guns to FORCE others to have your level of humanity ISN'T (**I REPEAT** IS NOT) humanitarian AT-ALL!!!

                      Remember how leftards like to use Gov-Guns to Steal and then likes to pretend its 'charity'... Same exact thing.

                2. TJJ2000   3 years ago

                  Gosh; You sure it's legal to have that child LOCKED UP like it is?
                  Maybe everyone can lock all the children up into little boxes too?

                  Obviously those "children" you so adamantly insist exist MUST BE all locked up in someone else for their own safety....

                  You see; It doesn't matter how you swing it - your imaginative creature is going to come back and byte your reasoning BECAUSE..... It's imaginative... (INCOMPLETE).

    6. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

      Man, I love that this topic is apparently personal enough to you that you drop your usual satiric tone and go pure bitter.

      1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

        ^This (and why it's such a heated debate)..
        Keyword --> "personal".

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          "Keyword --> "personal"

          So you pressured some woman to abort, and now you don't want to admit to what you actually are?
          Is that it?

          1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

            Oh look; The new narrative is everyone's but a fertilized egg...

            I knew your psychopaths would figure out a way to imaginatively dismiss everyone's Individuality.... It was just a matter of time to generate the B.S. propaganda.

            1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

              Yeah, that's right. The psychopaths are the ones that don't want to murder kids.

              Chopping them to bits and selling their bodyparts is a totally non-psycho thing to do. Stupid fucking ghoul.

              1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

                What "Kids"??? --- Who's the psychopath with imaginative creatures?
                I'm sorry that the defeat of indoctrinated propaganda offends you so..

                But when it comes to [WE] Gov-Guns making people's *personal* life choices for them the tyranny needs to be stopped even if it requires de-indoctrination.

                YOU don't have to believe a word of it though; JUST DON'T FORCE others to live by it.

                1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                  You're the psychopath, the kids are the fetuses you want butchered.

                  Nobody has the "life choice" to murder another, nutbag.

                  1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

                    Set ?your? Kids fee of their bondage then.............

                    We can play this game for years; and your still going to loose any simple reasoning on it because it's all B.S. propaganda indoctrination that doesn't stand up to *reality*.

        2. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

          Please don't interpret what I'm saying.

  18. JesseAz   3 years ago

    Democrats including the white house continue to encourage protests at the houses of justices despite federal law making it illegal.

    https://thefederalist.com/2022/05/12/white-house-press-secretary-encourages-angry-mobs-surrounding-supreme-court-justices-homes/

    Sullum, where are your articles??

    1. Longtobefree   3 years ago

      I have been waiting for Reason to publish the home addresses of the other justices, you know, for equity and all that jazz.

      1. Ronbback   3 years ago

        it would be interesting to see what would happen if pro lifers protested at pro abortion judges homes. I think we all know the answer to that The question then becomes why isn't anyone doing just that..

        1. R Mac   3 years ago

          Nobody’s funding it?

          1. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

            Or they are working.

        2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

          No we don’t “all know the answer to that question”.

    2. But SkyNet is a Private Company   3 years ago

      That law doesn’t say what it says because ULTRAMAGA

      1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

        So sayeth the MAGA KING!

    3. Nardz   3 years ago

      I'm amazed that we're apparently still ok with this

    4. TJJ2000   3 years ago

      OMG! Charge the White House for Insurrection!!!!
      Oh wait; Which party did it?

  19. shortviking   3 years ago

    “The law is indeed a mess that will significantly compromise the ability of tech companies to remove content for any reason, since they won't want to risk lawsuits from litigious, aggrieved parties.”

    That’s a problem somehow?

    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

      They would be treated like other companies like the oil industry.

    2. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

      Apparently the maxim that more speech is the counter to bad speech is no longer the driving principle.

      1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

        Hasn't been for a very very long time. I use to comment on many boards but got kicked off of *all* of them for using curse words like Patriot, U.S. Constitution and Individual Liberty. Especially during the war on tobacco.

        https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-google-facebook-would-not-exist-without-government-funding

        1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   3 years ago

          Maybe it was because you are a nut bag who can’t argue in good faith

          1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

            Faith of what? Your dictatorial religious high-ground over other people's PERSONAL LIFE'S???

            You know what's really sad... I thought this kind of bigotry was mostly exclusive to the leftards but boy you Right-Side bigots can push B.S. just as well.

            I wonder if the LIMITED government party was *actually* LIMITED government if it wouldn't take over the leftards.

            1. R Mac   3 years ago

              You don’t know what “argue in good faith” means?

  20. Cronut   3 years ago

    The democrats did not "try to codify Roe."

    If they wanted to codify Roe, they would have gone with the Collins/Murkowski bill, which specifically codified Roe and had a much better chance at generating some real legislation.

    Instead, they went with their extreme version, which they knew wouldn't pass. Schumer didn't have the votes for it and he knew it.

    This was more performance art designed to stoke outrage and had nothing to do with passing any law to codify Roe.

    1. JimboJr   3 years ago

      they havent acted in the past (Obama, super majority) and they wont act now (other than show votes) for one big reason

      That being, it is almost literally all they have. The "we are going to do something about abortion" shtick is all they have.

      "Let us handle COVID" - disaster, clown show
      Economy - absolute disaster, in part due to the above
      "Parents, you can fuck off and let us handle educating your kids" - highly unpopular, and they are finding that POCs dont like it either

      Pretty much the last thing they have left is being the abortion people. They have no other case to make to the public.

      Unless the public as a whole is clamoring for being preached at about 5 genders, men with cocks are women, and everything is racist.

      1. Cronut   3 years ago

        ^^^

        Same reason they never did anything about immigration or criminal justice reform. Solving the problem would rob them of their issue.

        It's also the reason the Rainbow Alphabet Army adopted the trannies. Their issue got solved, then they had nothing to screech about.

        1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

          POWER over the people.
          No matter what POWER..

          What's really sad is that it's already been sucked up so much only the most ridiculous 'claims of POWER' are left.

      2. TrickyVic (old school)   3 years ago

        Codifying when they had a chance would deny them the use of gotta ya questions during SCOTUS confirmation hearings. It's been used as a way to polarize people about the court.

      3. Overt   3 years ago

        This and Immigration- they are the two big footballs that they forever hold out for their constituency. If they ever allowed those footballs to be kicked, these single issue voters wouldn't stay on their team. That is why for the next 50 years, democrats will promise action on immigration and abortion, and instead deliver social programs and green energy handouts to their connected allies when they are in power.

    2. JesseAz   3 years ago

      Last week it was jeff saying we had to worry about the gop attempting to pass abortion laws at the federal level.

      1. CE   3 years ago

        We'll see, after the midterms.

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          So far their statements all discuss state level actions.

      2. TJJ2000   3 years ago

        Projection has always been the lefts biggest character quality.

      3. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

        Maybe. I hope the court would strike down any federal law under powers concerns, that said, it is still better for this to be in the legislature.

        1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

          ...because the [WE] foundation owns YOU.....

    3. CE   3 years ago

      Yeah, the article headline is just a Dem talking point. One of the Dems (Mancin) even said if they had only tried to codify Roe v. Wade, he would have voted for it. A few Repubs may have as well.

      1. Cronut   3 years ago

        The Collins bill had a shot at getting to 60, with probably some debate and amendments. But the progs, who are the democrat base now, are abortion absolutists.

        Why moderate dems don't rebel against Schumer and Pelosi for destroying their party, I'll never know. Tacking hard left just seems like a terrible political strategy if you want to win elections.

        1. R Mac   3 years ago

          The Democrat party is not controlled by their members of Congress.

        2. Moonrocks   3 years ago

          Why moderate dems don't rebel against Schumer and Pelosi for destroying their party, I'll never know

          Maybe there aren't any moderate Dems left.

          1. Cronut   3 years ago

            I think there are probably some who aren't fully on board with the agenda and who are at least a little bit uncomfortable with it, and still have some regard for process and constitutional governance. Those ones have to know that continuing to push farther left is a losing strategy.

            The progs definitely don't value constitutional governance and have no regard for preserving institutions of government. They're all about mob rule.

            I don't have a lot of sympathy for any moderates that may exist when they get eviscerated in the fall. They should have told Schumer and Pelosi to fuck off when they had a chance, and put AOC in her place. But they didn't, so now they get what they get.

            1. Muzzled Woodchipper   3 years ago

              There are plenty….

              Remember the huge arguments Democrats had immediately after the election when they had seats taken away because of their hard left message? Even entrenched Democrats in some states got beat because the overall Team Blue message was “Socialism!”

              There has been a rift. It’s just that the message didn’t take and they’ve just gone further and further left.

  21. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

    "The U.S. is expected to reach a 'grim milestone': 1 million deaths from COVID-19."

    Just remember to assign blame in a rational, fact-based manner. Every covid death under Drumpf should be blamed on Drumpf. Every covid death under Biden should be blamed on Drumpf and #DeathSantis.

    #ILoveScience

    1. TrickyVic (old school)   3 years ago

      It would have been 0 deaths if we all would have worn three masks from birth.

  22. Longtobefree   3 years ago

    It seems that actually reading the bill shows that it does just a bit more than codify Roe v. Wade.
    Like allow for federal funding of abortions
    Like allow abortion up to birth, not viability
    Like not allow religious exemption from performing abortions
    etc

    1. Cronut   3 years ago

      Collins and Murkowski put forward a bill that specifically codified Roe, and kept religious liberty and state restrictions on viability intact. Schumer told them to fuck off.

      Schumer does not actually care about codifying Roe.

    2. But SkyNet is a Private Company   3 years ago

      Also- nullified all parental notification laws

    3. TJJ2000   3 years ago

      AND WITHOUT CONSTITUTIONAL RULING (hut hum Roe v Wade)!!!!
      IT JUST MIGHT PASS SOMEDAY!!!!

      1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

        Giving the Government *UNLIMITED* Powers for Purity is no different than giving it *UNLIMITED* Powers for Equality.....

        1. R Mac   3 years ago

          YEAH!!!!!

  23. damikesc   3 years ago

    "Senate Democrats tried—and failed—to codify Roe v. Wade's protections for abortion on Wednesday"

    Zero limitations is not codifying a damned thing, Robby. Are you a reporter or a stenographer?

    1. R Mac   3 years ago

      I’ve been assured that Robbie is a legit journalist and not a mouthpiece for Democrats. Because of some stories he did years ago.

    2. TJJ2000   3 years ago

      What this? SCOTUS shouldn't LET the 'feds' do that?
      I thought the whole point was SCOTUS couldn't do anything about it anymore.

  24. damikesc   3 years ago

    "• The U.S. is expected to reach a "grim milestone": 1 million deaths from COVID-19."

    The VAST majority under Biden, who said 250,000 dead is a disqualifying number for somebody to be President.

    1. Cronut   3 years ago

      It's because those damn UltraMAGAs won't wear masks.

      1. Longtobefree   3 years ago

        Damn right we won't.
        Because they don't work.
        Science.

        And you might notice we are still here - - - - - - - - - - - -

        1. Cronut   3 years ago

          You and your MAGA KING, planning your next insurrection.

  25. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

    So is the ACLU defending rights or defending the ability to convince the undesirable classes to eliminate themselves?

    1. Longtobefree   3 years ago

      The ACLU is defending it's fundraising capability, and fascism.

    2. CE   3 years ago

      They didn't actually forget about women, but with no trained biologists on staff, they didn't want to make any statements they didn't understand.

  26. JesseAz   3 years ago

    Judge says they will end contempt charges of 10k a day for trump over documents he doesn't have and wrre never shown to have if he agrees to pay the 110k already accrued over documents he never had or produced.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/11/trump-fine-contempt-new-york-letitia-james

    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      Looks like the judge is searching for an escape hatch.

    2. Super Scary   3 years ago

      This is what they call "trying to save face."

  27. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

    Did Mr. Buttplug end his commenting hiatus yesterday? I thought I saw him take a break from his yacht-buying spree to deliver his trademark #DefendBidenAtAllCosts analysis.

    Hey Peanuts isn't this Biden economy amazing? Warren Buffett is up $3.78 billion this year! Don't believe wingnut.com lies about HAPERINFLATION.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Plus, WTI is lower than Brent because of high demand!
      (WTI has been lower than Brent for decades)

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        Poor Pluggo. His lies are so tragically transparent.

    2. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

      I'm still hoping we get HAPAInflation, which is an increase in the supply of half-asian women.

      1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        Nice.

  28. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Rep. Katie Porter (D–Calif.) told Politico that many of her Democratic colleagues have been reluctant to acknowledge the toll that inflation is taking on working class families...

    I can't imagine why.

    1. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

      Lets go Brandon!

      1. Moonrocks   3 years ago

        Lets go Brandon!

        1. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

          Let's go Brandon, I agree.

  29. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    The U.S. is expected to reach a "grim milestone": 1 million deaths from COVID-19.

    With.

  30. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Health and Human Services Secretary Xavier Becerra told governors that the administration does not know "when the [public health emergency] will end."

    When Trump stops stealing mailboxes.

    1. Nardz   3 years ago

      I'm amazed that we're apparently still ok with this

  31. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Finland's leaders want to join NATO.

    Ha. Putin, you dumb fuck.

    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      If NATO had ended with the Cold War and a new mutual defense treaty was created instead, we wouldn't be seeing half of these problems with Russia.

  32. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R–Ga.) and Dan Crenshaw (R–Texas) feuded on Twitter over sending aid to Ukraine.

    WE ARE HEADING INTO RECESSION.

    1. damikesc   3 years ago

      I can feel bad for Ukraine and still say "Sending them $40B when we are in the midst of inflation problems and tons of other issues is a stupid idea"

      1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        Well, giving money away could reduce our money supply……

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          Fight inflation by inflating the globe? Bold strategy cotton.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

            OK, then, let's just burn it.

        2. TJJ2000   3 years ago

          It's too bad that no matter how much of they make up for some reason it's still vaguely tied to people's labor.

      2. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

        They're already used to launder enough of our money, for fuck sake.

      3. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

        sending them 40b AT ANY TIME is a stupid idea

        1. Dillinger   3 years ago

          we're gonna need new secret labs.

        2. Moonrocks   3 years ago

          On the bright side, it's going to be half as stupid next year.

          1. Cronut   3 years ago

            Given the current volume of stupid going on now, I will be happy for a 50% reduction to bring us a little closer to normal stupid.

        3. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

          Hey at 10% that's 4 billion back to the big guy

  33. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Did the American Civil Liberties Union forget that women exist?

    No, but they're all trans men now.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      They aren’t biologists!

  34. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

    On what constitutional basis does Congress have any authority to set abortion law for the entire country, overriding the will of the states?

    1. Brandybuck   3 years ago

      > will of the states

      The states do not have a collective singular will.

      1. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

        Did not not say they did. The Democrats in the Senate were attempting to impose their will on all the state legislatures, when it is the states that have the proper authority.

        1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

          "when it is the states that have the proper authority" -- Not when it comes to body ownership...
          Why this is just slavery-day mentality 101.

          1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   3 years ago

            Are you so incredibly dense that you can’t even address the point that it is more than one body involved? And it isn’t “mythical”?

            1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

              Set if FREE and the FACTS will present themselves.

      2. R Mac   3 years ago

        That’s the whole point dumbfuck.

    2. TJJ2000   3 years ago

      OR .............. The People????????

  35. JesseAz   3 years ago

    Mehmet oz seems to have decided to end his campaign as he calls for the cdc to study gun violence.


    Dr. Mehmet Oz
    @DrOz
    Right now, the @CDCgov is NOT funded to study gun violence in this country. It’s time we treat shootings as a public health problem. Contact your congressperson today to demand they fund the #CDC to comprehensively study gun violence. #EndTheBan http://congress.gov

    1. Moonrocks   3 years ago

      Right now, the @CDCgov is NOT funded to study gun violence in this country.

      Then where did yesterday's CDC study on gun violence come from?

      1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        The first one is free.

        1. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

          Gotta get those 'experts' hooked.

      2. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

        Even then, it's just weird to call for the CDC to do it.

  36. Sevo   3 years ago

    CA legislature too stupid to learn:
    "Court: California’s under-21 gun sales ban unconstitutional"
    [...]
    "In a 2-1 ruling, a panel of the San Francisco-based 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said Wednesday the law violates the Second Amendment right to bear arms and a San Diego judge should have blocked what it called “an almost total ban on semiautomatic centerfire rifles” for young adults..."
    https://apnews.com/article/california-gun-politics-san-diego-b9a81a718cd16085604b9acaf3046f35

    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

      The petitioners got lucky on the judge draw. They will get an en banc ruling to reverse sadly.

      1. Sevo   3 years ago

        Thereby allowing the 9th to get yet another bitch-slap.

    2. TJJ2000   3 years ago

      Don't worry.. You can own a gun but your body can't.

    3. Muzzled Woodchipper   3 years ago

      Remember: it’s A-Okay for 14 year old girls to have unlimited abortions at any time during pregnancy, okay for 9 year olds to get treated with hormone blockers so they can “change their sex”, but a 20 year old (who may have just returned from deployment) can’t legally exercise his rights.

      Because racism or something.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Nicely put. Now do 2+2=5.

  37. Ra's al Gore   3 years ago

    Illegal migrants first to get ‘pallets’ of hard-to-find baby formula
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/illegal-migrants-first-to-get-pallets-of-hard-to-find-baby-formula

    The nationwide shortage of baby formula that has sent mothers desperately rushing from store to store has evaded one lucky group: illegal immigrants detained by Border Patrol.

    According to videos posted by a Florida lawmaker, the Biden administration has been shipping “pallets” of baby formula to migrant holding facilities.

    “They are sending pallets, pallets of baby formula to the border,” said Republican Rep. Kat Cammack in one of two online postings yesterday. “Meanwhile, in our own district at home, we cannot find baby formula,” she added, holding a photo of empty shelves where the formula would be.

    1. Ra's al Gore   3 years ago

      https://twitter.com/johnrich/status/1524547046539210754

      Bill Gates is heavily invested in lab produced breast milk? And now we have a baby formula shortage? Uh…ok…anyone gonna cover this story?

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

        Bill Gates is pure evil. Seriously. But I can't bring myself to sell my Microsoft stock. Do with me what you will.

    2. Nardz   3 years ago

      I'm amazed that we're apparently still ok with this

    3. Ronbback   3 years ago

      kind of like the ammo shortage a few years ago. there was no shortage just our government buying up all the stock to prevent others from getting it.

      1. American Mongrel   3 years ago

        And then banning Russian ammo. Pretty sure Russia made about 90% of practice ammo.

    4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Democrats = taking stuff from people so they can play compassionate

  38. Brandybuck   3 years ago

    Both parties want to take stuff to the extreme. That's probably why this bill failed. Make some compromises instead of drawing an either/or line in the sand. Try to get protection for just the first trimester. Stuff like that.

    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

      And brandy jumps in with a both sides in a discussion about an extreme bill only one side produced.

      1. Sevo   3 years ago

        Brandyshit is still trying to justify his raging case of TDS.

      2. Cronut   3 years ago

        It's "both sides" because the progs wanted an extreme law, and the republicans said no, fuck you.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          Exactly. Just like anyone who resists a totalitarian progressive state is a fascist.

    2. damikesc   3 years ago

      What bill did the GOP propose that was so extreme the Senate rejected it 51-49?

      How about any bill this year?
      Last year?

      1. Bubba Jones   3 years ago

        GOP is doing that at the state level.

        1. damikesc   3 years ago

          Can you cite the bills?

    3. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      Looks like the Democratic leadership think their best move, leading up to the mid-terms, is to be able to point at the evil Republicans who shot down the Democrat’s abortion rights bill.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Not a Democrat.

  39. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1524761450618789888?t=SsiwmSKDzwnoLapeyhXMhA&s=19

    From UNITED STATES House Armed Services Committee This Morning

    [Pic]

    1. Sevo   3 years ago

      Did you find those nasty Ukrainians under your bed again, nardz? Are they threatening your BFF Putin?

    2. Nardz   3 years ago

      Syphilitic sqrlvo, you're muted because you're completely worthless, yet you insist upon responding to my posts.
      Eat a bullet, neoconlib pussy.

      1. Sevo   3 years ago

        Stuff it up your ass, warmonger.

        1. Nardz   3 years ago

          You're the one sucking Lindsay Graham's cock, sqrlvo.
          LOL at the State Department bot calling someone else a warmonger.

          1. Sevo   3 years ago

            Yeah, assholes like you supporting a hostile invasion really aren't warmongers, right shitpile?
            Stuff it up your ass, warmonger

            1. Nardz   3 years ago

              LOL
              Sqrlvo is so stupid, he accuses people of being warmongers for... opposition to US involvement and escalation.
              Your intellect is basically KARen level, sqrlvo.
              Let's hope the syphilis kills you soon

              1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                Cut it out you two.

                NATO definitely deliberately incited Putin, but Ukraine still didn't deserve to be attacked by him. Both the Western leaders and Putin wanted this war for their own evil, stupid, selfish reasons. Zelensky is definitely a thieving conman and a crook who got rich taking bribes, but so are Biden and Putin.

                There, you can get mad at me instead.

                1. Sevo   3 years ago

                  "NATO definitely deliberately incited Putin,..."
                  Not buying that; there was and is no gain to any NATO member in 'inciting ' Putin.

                  1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                    "here was and is no gain to any NATO member in 'inciting ' Putin"

                    I know that you know better than that, Sevo. You're not a dummy.

                    Trudeau was facing an actual rebellion and had just resorted to an enabling act, Boris Johnson had a party rebellion on his hands and was a hair's breadth away from from being removed, the Yellow Vests and Le Pen were poised to kick Macron out, the CDU were facing massive blowback for the Merkel years, and Biden was facing catastrophic midterms and polling in the toilet.

                2. Nardz   3 years ago

                  Syphilitic sqrlvo is free to shut the fuck up and stop replying to my posts like a McCain idolizing little bitch at any time.

                  1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                    Stop it.

              2. Sevo   3 years ago

                "...opposition to US involvement and escalation..."

                Which is exactly my position; yours is support of the poor victim Putin!

                1. Nardz   3 years ago

                  You are really, really stupid, sqrlvo.

                  1. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

                    I have to be honest, I am not enjoying the pissing match between you and Sevo. You both make good points on a number of different topics. I don't always agree with your points (You, Sevo), but I do always think about them because it is not just crap.

                    Maybe you both try a short-term cease fire for a few days?

  40. Sevo   3 years ago

    "Long after blockade, Canada’s truckers have a political champion"
    [...]
    "Canadians were shocked when a group of truckers rolled their rigs into the nation’s capital earlier this year, paralysed the downtown area for weeks and demanded that the government lift all pandemic-related restrictions.
    The demonstrations spread to border crossings, forcing car manufacturing plants to shut down and disrupting billions of dollars in trade with the United States. In the end, the prime minister took the extraordinary step of invoking an emergencies act allowing the government, among other things, to freeze protesters’ bank accounts.
    Now, the truckers and their supporters have become an important constituency and are being courted by the country’s Conservative Party, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s main political opposition.
    Many in the party are busy rewriting what happened on those chaotic days in February, glossing over the blockades’ illegality and an arms cache found at a protest in Alberta where authorities said protesters were ready to use violence to block a border crossing there..."
    https://indianexpress.com/article/world/canada-truckers-political-champion-7913338/
    It's a NYT story, so "illegality" is the way a protest became an "insurrection" and it's likely the "arms cache" was a couple of hunting rifles.
    But more power to them and please head south of the border!

    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      The "arms cache" came from RCMP seizures in several other places in Alberta before the protest and had nothing to do with the protesters.

      The RCMP flat out lied, but nobody was fired, and no major media journalists cared.

      1. Sevo   3 years ago

        Hmmm, learning from their southern cousins...

  41. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    What's the difference between an unwanted fetus and illegal aliens, homeless squatters, or free-loading tenants?

    1. P.P. Schaeffer   3 years ago

      It's kinda weird that we live in a time where half of country celebrates "men" getting pregnant while they're upset that women are getting pregnant.

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        *sad chuckle*

    2. Cronut   3 years ago

      You're allowed to get rid of the first one?

      1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

        "We'll fix that!", signed the Pro-Life [WE] mob.

  42. Dillinger   3 years ago

    >>"Where the hell's my party? … Where's the counteroffensive?"

    La Leak was the counteroffensive.

  43. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    "Only after Rep. Katie Porter put bacon in her cart at her local grocery store recently did she notice that its price had spiked to $9.99 a pound. Reluctantly, she put the package back."

    Somebody ask Porter how she feels about California requirements for hog raising that greatly increase farm costs--and if she understands how that might affect prices.

    1. Sevo   3 years ago

      Or ask her who got her vote last election.

  44. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    "Panic about inflation actually shows up quite easily in the polls, so the fact that Democrats don't recognize how much it matters to voters is a significant indictment."

    When's the last time that Democrats wanted to address voter concerns (except for progressive activists and those on the dole, assuming those are not all the same people)?

    1. R Mac   3 years ago

      Fortifying elections is so much easier.

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        More reliable and you can campaign from your basement.

  45. Dillinger   3 years ago

    >>The U.S. is expected to reach a "grim milestone":

    somebody used to montage all 487 media dummies saying the same thing it was always a hoot

  46. Weigel's Cock Ring   3 years ago

    Biden admin cancels massive oil and gas lease sale amid record-high gas prices:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxbusiness.com/politics/biden-admin-cancels-oil-gas-lease-sale-record-high-prices.amp

    In case there's somehow still some doubt left in your mind that the all time record, sky high gas prices you're paying right now are the intentional, desired policy outcome of this shitty ass administration, reading this article should remove it once and for all.

    Dipshit Dave Weigel the rig counter hardest hit.

    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      Impossible, just yesterday Buttplug swore that canceling pipelines and banning drilling everywhere doesn't affect prices.

    2. Sevo   3 years ago

      He's got Misek as an advisor:
      Rob Misek
      March.5.2022 at 8:47 am
      "The fuel price has nothing to do with supply and demand.
      More people are working from home than ever before. Demand is down."

    3. American Mongrel   3 years ago

      They aren't close to the record, but it is clearly intentional.
      I'd guess 2008 prices were probably close to 8/gal when adjusted for inflation. If you went by Big Mac index, you'd be looking at 14/gal. Unfortunately, I think this means that things are going to get much much worse before they get better.

  47. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    ACLU@ACLU
    Abortion bans disproportionately harm:
    ▪️ Black, Indigenous & other people of color
    ▪️ the LGBTQ community
    ▪️ immigrants
    ▪️ young people
    ▪️ those working to make ends meet
    ▪️ people with disabilities
    Protecting abortion access is an urgent matter of racial and economic justice.

    Nothing more racially just than aborting the offspring of immigrants, lesbians, blacks, indigenous & other people of color, right?

    Serious though, how do progs get away with saying shit that could have come out of the mouths of Himmler or Goebbels.

    1. JimboJr   3 years ago

      Im at the point where as soon as I hear "disprortionately affecting blacks, indigenous...blah blah" I immediately either tune out or eye roll. Or both.

      Of course many things are going to affect POC more, as especially blacks are likely to be in a lower socioeconomic standing. But I'm so tired of hearing it I have to just tune it out now. You could almost apply it to anything and have a grain of truth in it.

      Disneyland is expensive and blacks have less money to spend there on average so Disney is disproportionately hurting blacks and benefiting whites.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Don't forget Snow "White".

      2. But SkyNet is a Private Company   3 years ago

        World Ends Tomorrow! Women and blacks hardest hit

        1. JimboJr   3 years ago

          While I did chuckle out loud at this, and I know this would potentially be a real NPR or MSNBC headline, it would one of the times you could argue it absolutely is not true

    2. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

      Did you catch the interchange between Yellen and Tim Scott? Talk about someone truly disconnected from the reality of Americans.

      Someone tweeted it best: Love how an old, white multi-millionire woman tells a black man (of poor origin) that his mother is a loser for choosing to have him (and not abort the pregnancy).

      Janet Yellen is a fucking disgrace.

  48. Muzzled Woodchipper   3 years ago

    I wonder how the left will take this very harsh lesson in the faith of government granted “rights”….

    1. Moonrocks   3 years ago

      It'll just reinforce their belief that they must hold on to power by any means necessary. Because, you know, those Literal Nazis that don't approve of culling the minority herds.

  49. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

    The U.S. is expected to reach a "grim milestone": 1 million deaths from COVID-19.
    ------------
    More than two fucking years later and they are still making this 'mistake.'

  50. Michael Ejercito   3 years ago

    More died of COVID under FJB's watch

  51. Overt   3 years ago

    A reminder from last night:

    https://news.yahoo.com/fbi-whistleblowers-claim-agents-investigated-024910174.html

    FBI Whistle blowers talking to Congress allege that, "FBI received a tip that a mom had told a local school board, “We are coming for you.”...An FBI agent reportedly interviewed the the mom, who said she was upset about a school mask mandate and wanted to elect new board members."

    Remember, we were assured by all the very serious people who believe the Right is just making shit up that Garland's letter directing the DOJ to investigate parents going to school boards wasn't chilling. It was just talking about having meetings, after all. Perhaps those same very serious people can explain how sending FBI agents to talk with mothers is just having meetings and doesn't have a chilling effect.

    1. R Mac   3 years ago

      Lying Jeffy lies for his lefty handlers.

    2. Moonrocks   3 years ago

      For context, protesters screaming “We are coming for you" at the private residence of Supreme Court justices will likely never get visits from the FBI.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        THAT'S DIFFERENT!

    3. Overt   3 years ago

      Let's be clear here:

      I don't support threatening government officials with bodily harm. But if these reports are to be believed it is painfully obvious that:

      1) The parent wasn't threatening bodily harm. There is no evidence to suggest that their threat was anything more than political (replacing the board in upcoming elections).

      2) The board (or whomever complained) was obviously stretching to get this actionable, merely by imputing a threat based on a parent exercising her constitutional rights to associate with other like minded parents, and 2nd amendment rights of owning a gun. This latter point is especially slanderous. Owning a gun doesn't make you likely to harm people you disagree with.

      3) Even if we were to assume that this case was one that warranted investigation, it is a wholly local matter. Raising this to the federal level is wasteful to the taxpayers. It turns protected political speech into a high stakes interview with a Federal Agent, where the penalties for innocent mistakes up are far, far, far more serious than with a cop.

      Sum this all up, and it is clear that what the Right, and myself, and even Reason alleged is true: This letter and subsequent actions of the DOJ and School Boards were not only not called for, but are deliberately designed to intimidate Parents who are trying to affect change on their local school system.

      The folks in these comments who insisted that the letter was benign - and that it was only talking about meetings- were wrong, and should cop to that.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        "There is no evidence to suggest that their threat was anything more than political (replacing the board in upcoming elections)."

        Not voting for progressive candidates is violence.

      2. Square = Circle   3 years ago

        This letter and subsequent actions of the DOJ and School Boards were not only not called for, but are deliberately designed to intimidate Parents who are trying to affect change on their local school system.

        Note that even though the NSBA admitted that the letter had essentially been written by the DOJ, and Garland admitted it, too, and said that they don't consider 'unruly parents' to be Domestic Terrorists, he still hasn't closed the investigation he opened on the basis of having received the letter.

    4. TJJ2000   3 years ago

      But someone said once we had to have Commie-Education.

    5. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      It's not happening.

      Ok, well, ok, it's happening but it's not as bad as you say...

  52. Cronut   3 years ago

    https://www.target.com/b/tomboyx-x-target/-/N-q643le6jhh

    Target is selling "binders" and "packers" now. It's all gross, but the entire concept of "packers" is especially gross.

    1. Cronut   3 years ago

      Just out of morbid curiosity, I googled packers. There are companies that sell that shit as small as size 4. They sell tiny fake penises for children that small. How is that not grooming?

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

        Reason: Proof the market works!

      2. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

        I mean, I buy them by the case even though I'm a dude. That's just because I like my junk to look like a sea anemone.

    2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Underwear for shit packing?

    3. JimboJr   3 years ago

      From one product description

      "GLSEN leads the movement in creating affirming, accessible and anti-racist spaces for LGBTQIA+ students. "

      It's always gotta be all the things. It cant just be some weird gender sex thing it also is antiracist, somehow.

      Im sure they'll be adding "climate justice friendly" to the tag line. Gotta keep adding to the frankenstein monster.

    4. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      Trans or gender nonconforming folks everywhere can now just head over to their local Target and (discreetly and affordably) get some affirming clothes!

      If you’re not familiar, binders (also known as compression tops) are garments that trans men, trans mascs, nonbinary people, and others who want to reduce the size of their chests wear to help relieve dysphoria. Packing underwear is used by trans masc people to wear a packer, which gives the appearance of having a penis or bulge.

      I... yeah, don't have any words here...

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

        I now regret not binding my daughter's feet when she was a toddler.

      2. JimboJr   3 years ago

        I feel like its almost becoming rote at this point to say it, but dont a lot of civilizations start doing this weird, abstract, non-essential weirdness when their civilization is about to collapse in some major way.

        This feels like that.

        1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

          Yes. Camille Paglia talks on this very subject.

        2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

          Or as Douglas Murray says, "The barbarians will be at our gates and we'll be debating their gender pronouns."

      3. Cronut   3 years ago

        It's really something. There really aren't any words.

    5. Overt   3 years ago

      The think that boils my blood most about this is the brand name.

      "Tomboy"

      Hey, fuck you. Just because a girl is a Tomboy doesn't mean they ACTUALLY want to be a boy. It doesn't mean they have gender dysphoria, and want to hide their breasts. Sometimes girls want to go play baseball and football, and back in the days, that was hard to do wearing the clothes normally available to girls.

      This is yet another area where the Trans are coopting and undermining the messages that feminists worked so hard to communicate. The reason we had tomboys was that society had an unreasonable expectation of what WOMEN should be. They weren't supposed to play baseball, or roughhouse, or ride horses- so they had fewer options for active wear, and often had to wear men's clothes.

      My wife is insulted by this bullshit. She was a proud tomboy because she was REJECTING the notion that wearing pants, playing ball, and going into engineering fields was "Boy's stuff". She is a proud woman, who still loves men and loves her lady parts. Being a tomboy wasn't saying "I am actually a boy".

      The biggest enemy to feminists and the gay community is the Trans who are leeching off their success like parasites.

      1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

        [WE] mob building.... Because of unlimited democratic POWER..

      2. JimboJr   3 years ago

        lots of people have said it, but the trans movement seems like a low key poison pill for the actual pride movement and feminist movement all in one.

        Chapelle got the essence of it, as he usually does, before most 2 or 3 specials ago.

      3. Cronut   3 years ago

        Yeah, I was a tomboy growing up. My youngest is one now. I always joke that she's my "son," because she's so un-girly. But she's not a boy, she's a girl. Just because she plays hockey and can throw a haymaker like nobody's business doesn't mean she's not a girl.

      4. JimboJr   3 years ago

        "The think that boils my blood most about this is the brand name.
        "Tomboy" "

        Yes completely agree with this, and felt the same way when I saw that.

        They are trying to conflate two things that absolutely are not related. There have been so many girls that are into "the guy stuff" that absolutely are not transgender or nonbinary or anything else. Its extremely creepy.

  53. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    Has peak Woke finally been achieved?

    MSNBC Guest Wants to Have Sex With the SCOTUS Leaker and ‘Joyfully Abort Our Fetus’

    1. Dillinger   3 years ago

      ya creepy. she limited her dating pool.

    2. JimboJr   3 years ago

      this feels like the videos of the girls celebrating and drinking going to the abobo clinic.

      This is the left's fault. Their attitude is so far from "safe legal rare" that they can get fucked. It's not enough to be that, we have to celebrate abortion.

      It's telling that essentially what will happen is most states having some sort of european style ban (15 ish weeks) and the mere fact that they cant have their drive through abortions and be cheered for it drives them insane.

      They can get rightly fucked.

    3. Nobartium   3 years ago

      Leftists are subhuman, in that they refuse to learn from their mistakes. Abortion is the ultimate example of that.

      1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

        Yeah... Anyone who drives a car, gets in an accident and requires medical procedure to fix it should have it denied! /s

        When will you stupid subhumans ever learn that driving vehicles cause lethal accidents whether you intended them to or not! /s

        Save a Horse -- Bring back the Horse and Wagon...

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          "Whoops, I got drunk and accidentally hit another car, can you please go shoot the occupants?"

          Yeah, that analogy checks out.

    4. Cronut   3 years ago

      I don't think there's a peak woke. It just keeps going. It's like stupid. When you think it can't get any dumber, it does.

  54. Jerryskids   3 years ago

    When Porter gave an emotional speech about how inflation has been hitting her family for months during a private House Democratic Caucus meeting last week, she said it seemed like the first time the personal toll of high consumer prices had sunk in for some lawmakers in the room.

    She then went on to say that rising inflation was one more reason to support abortion on demand. I wish I were joking, she really did say that.

  55. Jerry B.   3 years ago

    "HB 20 is an assault on the First Amendment, and it's constitutionally rotten from top to bottom."

    Allowing more free speech is an assault on the 1st Amendment?

  56. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

    But interviews with lawmakers this week revealed clashing views over how best to highlight the looming threat to abortion over the coming months, including whether to hold votes on narrower bills that would protect only a portion of the rights secured by Roe and related cases but could serve to more sharply highlight the depth of the Republican opposition.

    Oh look, it might force lawmakers to confront some kind of answer on limits to abortion. Oh Noes!

  57. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

    Weird question here, really off-topic. I know some folks are farmers here and I have a question:

    I'm trying to do farming on approximately 3000 sq/ft. Want to do row cropping. At this size is it worth it to get a walking tiller? If so, is there one folks here can recommend.

    Second, I'm farming in a weird environment, southern Arizona. I've been reading about various things for this and am open if anyone has resources I can read further in.

    This is all mostly a fun thing for me to try, but I hope to get better at it over the years as I learn.

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      Farmers for Trump...

      Second, I'm farming in a weird environment, southern Arizona.

      I hear tumbleweeds and mesquite will grow well.

      1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

        Mesquite for sure. Chilies as well. Luckily, I have a well and the level of agriculture I'm doing is pretty low.The daily water usage for my plants now is well below a shower. Estimating on a quarter acre it's not too bad.

        1. mad.casual   3 years ago

          Chilies as well.

          Never grew hot peppers. Good addendum to the 'crop' section I mentioned below, though; we always used the walking tiller for sweet peppers. Pollination was never a problem and the amount of bare ground between plants would've made hand tilling a bitch. Again, not sure how that translates to hot peppers.

          1. mad.casual   3 years ago

            Again, not sure how that translates to hot peppers.

            Oh, huh. Perennials south of zone 9, annuals north of it. So, maybe even get away without really having to till.

            1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

              Yeah, it does frost where I am, but it's not too hard of a frost and it never lasts throughout the day. So, people just cover their crops during the coldest nights of the year here.

              1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

                What part of Southern Arizona frosts?

                *googles*

                Well ok then, learn something new every day. I grew up in the high desert of New Mexico to the East. You definitely get some serious frosting in the winter time. I'm surprised about Tucson, though.

                1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

                  Yep, my gut would be that Yuma is the least amount of frosting in the state. Northern Arizona is actually cold and gets real snow and blizzards. The desert is just so dry that you get huge temperature swings.

                  Even right now, it's a beautiful 70 degrees, will probably be 90 by the end of the day, was 55 last night.

                2. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

                  I love New Mexico. If it wasn't an almost tragically poorly run state I'd have no problem buying property there. I really do think it's very beautiful, from Silver City to Las Cruces, to Santa Fe and Raton.

                  Roswell... it's fine. It's west Texas.

                3. mad.casual   3 years ago

                  What part of Southern Arizona frosts?

                  It's funny to think about 'too hard a frost in S. AZ' in relation to feet of snow and inches of solid ice in the Midwest. Also kinda funny to think about the abundance we live in that pretty much every local big box store has shelves upon shelves of sprouted pepper plants every Spring. There are regions of the planet where this plant will live for years and it's cheap and efficient enough to grow the fruit there and ship it here but no, we need to have shelves full of fresh plants, not seeds, for people to buy every Spring. People talk about the amount of food people waste, but the energy actually produced food. I wonder how much energy gets sunk sprouting and distributing those plants only to never get sold or worse, get sold and have further labor sunk into them only to die before bearing any fruit because somebody forgot to water them for a week or we had a cool summer or they got planted in the shade of a maple tree that wasn't tall enough to shade them out last year. I mean, I know it's probably less than the average cost of yard maintenance, but still, 'not enough abundance to feed 10B people?' Sure.

                  1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

                    The best pieces of information about food supply are:

                    1) People are getting too fat, not too skinny
                    2) In the US we've started to use less farmland because we no longer need as much space for it to feed our populace
                    3) Assholes like me are increasingly raising crops "for funsies."

                    1. mad.casual   3 years ago

                      3) Assholes like me are increasingly raising crops "for funsies."

                      I don't have a problem with people growing crops "for funsies". I have a problem with people who are worried about the plastics and the food supply who don't seem to realize that if government went 'full COVID' on food production. We could use every plastic bag, bucket, and bottle (in addition to the arable land) to produce probably 10X as much food as we could possibly eat and 90+% of it would still go to waste. Wild strawberries grow in back yards all over our neighborhood. People kill them. I forage a bit and know of several berry patches that are too big and thick for one person to pick in a season and I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who knows about them. The Malthusians' interpretation is wrong. It's not that the planet wouldn't or couldn't support another 7B of us, it's that the poor and lazy, including intellectuals, couldn't or wouldn't put in the effort to support themselves. Yes, we can wipe out whole ecosystems of indigenous, unmaintained food sources, but the relatively slim amount of both physical and intellectual labor that could not just preserve them, but expand them, is enormous and shrinking.

            2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

              "Perennials south of zone 9, annuals north of it."

              Zone 2b here. I'm green with envy.

              1. mad.casual   3 years ago

                Yeah. I generally think of perennial fruits as woody or vine plants. The idea that peppers are annuals is pretty pretty surprising.

                soldiermedic mentioned, a couple days ago, that GMOing annuals to perennials was a bit of a holy grail of food production and I was dubious. Again, not to disagree with the potential for converting any given crop to perennials, but GMOing a solution that currently exists as "Grow them several hundred miles further south." seems like a bit of solution in search of a problem.

      2. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

        Also, I didn't vote for Trump even once. I voted for Johnson in 2016. I voted for Kanye in 2020. Thankyouvermuch.

        1. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

          Well, I'd start with the 6 legal MJ plants you can grow (12 if somebody else lives in your household).

          1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

            Alas, I'm a drunk not a stoner.

            1. Dillinger   3 years ago

              you can still grow them for others.

        2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

          A vote for Kanye was a vote for Trump.

    2. mad.casual   3 years ago

      I'm trying to do farming on approximately 3000 sq/ft. Want to do row cropping. At this size is it worth it to get a walking tiller? If so, is there one folks here can recommend.

      Personally, I'd say 'yes' to anything over 2000 sq. ft. area-wise. However, between soil, irrigation, specific crop, and surrounding vegetation, I might take a pass.

      Soil - Hard clay or soft sand I would hand till. Fertilizing and watering is going to be your labor suck.
      Irrigation - If you plan to run an irrigation system, in AZ, I'd imagine you could take a pass and let everything outside the irrigation range fry. Broadcast would be a different story. Broadcast with clay sucks to till.
      Crop - If you're doing perennials like potatoes or strawberries, again, pass. Rent or beg/borrow/share a tiller and till the rows once to plant every several years. If you're doing annuals, rotating, or splitting the acreage... it depends.
      Surrounding vegetation - If you've got already got wild, noxious weeds growing in/around the plot, till. Otherwise, get a hoe or hand pull anything growing in between the rows.

      There are, of course, various other personal and aesthetic factors involved. Dad had one walking tiller when he was in his 40s with a full time job, a 40-yr.-old wife, and two teen boys for 8 acres of "non-commercial" row crops. Now that he's retired, approaching 70, he uses a pull-behind and enjoys the grass growing up between the rows of some of the lower crops.

      1. mad.casual   3 years ago

        Dad had one walking tiller when he was in his 40s

        I should add that I can't really recommend a brand as this is the tiller I currently use. I suppose you could probably find a used Wheel Horse somewhere, but that is its own ball of wax.

      2. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

        Thank you for the response.

        As far as soil, it's not that bad, neither hard clay nor soft sand. It's very basic and salty though and that's going to require probably years of fertilizing and work to get it more reasonable, but that's why this is a long term project. If anything, it's closer to clay though, and so I will take your comment into account.

        Irrigation - I'm doing small enough that this is going to just be drip irrigation. So, relatively conservative with a focus on crops that do well in the heat and dryness of the area. Chilies. Gourds. Melons actually do pretty well I'm told. Things like that. I also have a little 1x1 yard herb garden in my fenced back yard, but that's outside this talk.

        Crop - Chilies are a big one, which do last several years if you keep them from frosting in the winter. Other stuff, not so much.

        Surrounding vegetation - weeds are not super bad here. I will play that by ear though as the current stuff I'm growing is just a raised bed they left on the property and they aforementioned herb garden. It's small enough that it's difficult to say how it will scale.

        Like I said, I don't know what I'm doing and am just figuring things out, but I appreciate the response.

        1. mad.casual   3 years ago

          Gourds. Melons actually do pretty well I'm told.

          Yeah, if you're tilling the whole plot for other crops I'd get a tiller. If I were doing 1-2000 sq. ft of rambling melons and gourds, I wouldn't till anything except the planting mounds 4-8 ft. apart. Especially if it's fairly barren anyway. Tilling 16+ sq. ft. for the ~1-2 sq. ft. it actually takes to plant the melons and that the vines will grow over anyway would be a waste of money on a tiller, IMO. Just till the mounds by hand and go out a couple times a week and pull anything that may look like it could be in the way.

  58. davidtracy   3 years ago

    Legal abortion cannot be codified by the federal government. The federal government may not tell a state how to conduct its business unless the US Constitution prescribes or prohibits something.

    1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

      I'm not so sure of that once the SCOTUS throws away the Roe v Wade Constitutional Guardrails.

    2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      What Congress could do is codify the right to travel to another state for medical treatment that is legal in that other state, without any retribution from one’s resident state. That would probably pass Constitutional muster, and would counter the most egregious of the red state laws being passed (i.e. laws that attempt to control a woman’s right to travel out of state and get an abortion where it is legal).

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Right to travel is already a precedent...

    3. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      Oh, and as someone pointed out on another thread, the Democrats could codify the right to use home abortion drugs that have been approved by the FDA.

    4. Tony   3 years ago

      That's a question that will go before the Supreme Court. There is such little consistency in commerce clause rulings that the Supreme Court would probably just do what they've always been doing in commerce clause jurisprudence and pick the side they want to win.

  59. But SkyNet is a Private Company   3 years ago

    More babies in nice restaurants

  60. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

    Or even worse, long airplane trips.

  61. Anomalous   3 years ago

    Cannibalism isn't the answer.

  62. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

    No she isn't. Chief Warren has not suffered any consequences for any other of the many stupid statements or flagrant lies she has told throughout her career. Why would that change now?

  63. But SkyNet is a Private Company   3 years ago

    Im -I’m gonna get me a beer

  64. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

    Winner

  65. TrickyVic (old school)   3 years ago

    Oh now you tell me.

  66. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

    Then you're asking the wrong question.

  67. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

    Fat Bastard hardest hit...

  68. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    Hearing a fussy baby never really bothered me. I don't get how some people get so angry about it.

  69. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

    It can be frustrating, I suppose, I think it's a good thing though. I love more babies.

  70. Stuck in California   3 years ago

    You'll just have to trust me. It can be awful to those of us who have become inured to it.

    Also, it's not "fussy" babies so much as loudly crying babies or, more often, toddlers left to run rampant.

    The vast majority of parents with babies at places where I hang out are zero hassle folks. They do good parenting, and if their kid fusses it's just dealt with and nobody cares. But the outliers who don't take the crying ones outside or tame their toddlers are impossibly annoying, even if you're not personally bothered.

  71. Nardz   3 years ago

    It's really the only way.

  72. Stuck in California   3 years ago

    Maybe you could make a modest proposal of the correct question to ask.

  73. Stuck in California   3 years ago

    have NOT become inured to it

  74. JSinAZ   3 years ago

    And do it swiftly.

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