Robert Reich Smears Elon Musk's Vision for Twitter as 'Dangerous Nonsense'
The libertarian vision of an 'uncontrolled' internet is not the dream of dictators.

Robert Reich is a former U.S. Secretary of Labor, having served under Bill Clinton from 1993 to 1997. He has taught public policy at the University of California, Berkeley since 2006, and is one of the most influential progressive economic writers and commentators alive today.
He attracted attention on social media on Tuesday for writing a particularly awful column titled "Elon Musk's Vision for the Internet is Dangerous Nonsense." It ran in The Guardian.
Reich begins by condemning Russian President Vladimir Putin's authoritarianism: how he hides the truth from the people of Russia by outlawing dissent, jailing protesters, and prioritizing government propaganda over independent media. Reich then turns his attention to former President Donald Trump, writing that the decisions by social media companies to ban the president "were necessary to protect American democracy."
But wait a minute: Why does silencing a political viewpoint protect democracy? How is that any different than Putin saying his silencing of dissenters is necessary to protect Russia? Reich doesn't seem to realize that he is condemning one kind of tyranny while lionizing another, which leads him into a very, very odd attack on Tesla CEO Elon Musk, who recently became the largest shareholder of Twitter after buying a 9 percent stake in the company.
Musk has expressed misgivings about Twitter's treatment of dissenting views, and is worried that the social media site—which serves an important function as a place of discussion and debate among the political and journalistic classes—is increasingly unfriendly to free speech. It's important to be clear that when we're talking about free speech in the Twitter context, we're talking about the principle of free speech, not free speech as protected by the First Amendment. Social media sites are private companies, and the First Amendment protects their right to set whatever moderation policies they want: The First Amendment cannot be cited as a defense by anyone who is shadow-banned or de-platformed on Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, or anywhere else. What we possess, under the First Amendment, is a right to criticize bad and hypocritical behavior free from government censorship.
That's what Musk thinks, it's what I think, and it's what many independent voices on both the left and the right think.
But not Robert Reich. He writes:
Will Musk use his clout to let Trump back on? I fear he will.
Musk has long advocated a libertarian vision of an "uncontrolled" internet. That vision is dangerous rubbish. There's no such animal, and there never will be. …
In Musk's vision of Twitter and the internet, he'd be the wizard behind the curtain – projecting on the world's screen a fake image of a brave new world empowering everyone.
In reality, that world would be dominated by the richest and most powerful people in the world, who wouldn't be accountable to anyone for facts, truth, science or the common good.
That's Musk's dream. And Trump's. And Putin's. And the dream of every dictator, strongman, demagogue and modern-day robber baron on Earth. For the rest of us, it would be a brave new nightmare.
Reich, unfortunately, is deeply confused. The libertarian vision of an "uncontrolled" internet is not the dream of dictators. Dictators like Putin want a controlled internet. Reich is also advocating for a controlled internet—and apparently likes the people who control it right now: i.e., the sort of progressive-minded moderators who don't want people to read about the Black Lives Matter foundation spending millions in donations to buy up real estate rather than promote change, a story that Facebook decided to suppress.
An internet where Facebook hides the truth from users is a controlled internet—it's just one controlled by people Reich approves of. Musk purports to want something entirely different: a social media site where the gatekeepers don't try to suppress information, but instead, allow users to decide what to think and believe.
Under this vision, people will frequently encounter information that is wrong. That's true. But they will also be free to judge for themselves—and thus, we would run less risk as a society of having a truth vigorously suppressed from public discussion because it embarrasses someone in power. Recall that for months, Facebook refused to allow users to talk about the lab leak theory on the platform. Now that policy has changed, as the lab leak theory has enough mainstream credibility and plausibility that even they can't deny it. That's the risk: When we attempt to vigorously stamp out lies, we can blind ourselves to the truth.
Reich is not alone in preferring things the way they are. Ellen K. Pao, the former CEO of reddit, wrote in an op-ed for The Washington Post that "Elon Musk's vision of 'free speech' will be bad for Twitter." It will be bad for Twitter, she writes, because Musk wants to let more people speak on Twitter without fear of censorship.
Progressives like Reich and Pao shouldn't frame their dismissal of free speech as a sort of rejection of tyranny. It's the opposite: It's an embrace of tyranny—of a kind of tyranny that is popular in both Russia and China, the U.S.'s main political, social, and economic rivals. Russia and China don't want their citizens saying whatever they want on social media. Elon Musk does. That's the difference between an uncontrolled libertarian ethos for the internet, and the ethos of the censors.
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TDS is hysterical.
We only want the RIGHT kind of tyranny.
Yes, their brand of it, with them (the undoubted eeeeeleeeet of the planet) in charge.
Wilsonian progressivism writ large.
We're running out of wet mops and butthurt salve for all the Trumpanzee sockpuppets booted off ßhitter, Salon, Mother Jones, and National Socialist Review who come spill their disgusting woes on libertarian platforms. Do they get of to being laughed at?
You’re the expert on being laughed at you senile old faggot.
Robert Reich is a super douche idiot.
"Robert Reich Deletes Tweet Calling for Democrats to Smack Kyrsten Sinema Over Her Filibuster Vote"
https://www.mediaite.com/politics/robert-reich-deletes-tweet-calling-for-democrats-to-smack-kyrsten-sinema-over-her-filibuster-vote
You'd think he'd get cancelled for that.
He has a (D) which really is a (P) trailing around after his bullshit qualifications and CV. So, no accountability for his actions.
He has neither a PhD nor a clue when it comes to economics. But he overcompensates for coming up short, as people like him usually do, by being loud and condescending.
Coming up ‘short’? I see what you did there.
Reich is legitimately one of the stupidest people ever to be held up as smart
He reminds me of a hobbit—the corrupt sort of hobbit who would kill his own friend over a ring and then gradually turn into something like Gollum.
The creep's full name is Robert Third Reich.
Skeptical as I am of anything Musk says or does, if Reich is against it, that's about the best endorsement I can think of for Musk's plan.
Reich doesn't even manage to be right within his area of supposed expertise (economics). He has no credibility when pontificating in his areas of ignorance. Frankly, I can't understand why anyone still gives him air-time.
Yeah, I'm disinclined to take Robert "The Third" Reich's views on liberty particularly seriously, except as a threat.
"Robert "The Third" Reich"
That's what went through my head the other day when I read his Graunaid article. Swap the words "right-winger" for "Jews" and he'd sound like Der Stürmer.
Motherfucker is unhinged.
He gets air time, because he's the wrong in the same ways that others want to be right.
You mean he's "wrong within normal parameters" don't you?
Rossami: "Frankly, I can't understand why anyone still gives him air-time."
Paul Ehrlich: "What? Why would they not?"
Getting air time is easy when you're pushing the party line of the ragtag gang of misfits who run the five tech companies that own and run the five tech companies which constitute something like 20% of the total aggregate capitalization of the S&P 500.
Thank god we've got heroes like Bezos, Cook, Zuck and the guys who run Alphabet to protect us from the rich and powerful menace who would plunge us into a dark age where there's a chance for a legitimate marketplace of ideas where critical thinkers can be allowed to make their own assessments of the relative merits whether or not they choose to embrace the "one true" worldview of the "woke progressives".
Imagine if we had to contend with a version of the internet that aligns with the "dream of every dictator and strongman" instead of one that has more in common with what's available to the public in China, Russia, Venezuela, Cuba....
It is amazing the level of authority he generates with people even though he's not even remotely capable of understanding the most simplistic concepts.
Secretary of Arbeiterpartei is an important government post.
"In Musk's vision of Twitter and the internet, he'd be the wizard behind the curtain – "
Says the munchkin who represents the Lollipop Guild.
Yeah. "Elon Musk's Vision for the Internet is Dangerous Nonsense." as opposed to the mostly peaceful soothsayer it currently is?
Rico, I note that Reich, like you also favors the lefty's catch-all buzzword that came into the limelight during the heyday of the trump presidency: strongman. Since it's a douchey, smug attempt at smearing the leader of a sovereign nation, perhaps it doesn't really fit into the libertarian lexicon. Let other nations do their own thing and all. Progressives, on the other hand, seem very much able and willing to proffer dimestore psychoanalysis that comes with petty labeling, case in point, Reich. Don't be like Reich, it's a good motto.
Their new favorite phrase is that any democrats losing threatens democracy.
Robert lives up to his namesake, that's for sure.
Fourth Reich? The littlest reich?
“ It's important to be clear that when we're talking about free speech in the Twitter context, we're talking about the principle of free speech, not free speech as protected by the First Amendment.”
Wrong.
The concept of the internet, an electronic world overlapping the physical world did not exist at the time of the writing of the constitution.
Therefore it is not specifically addressed one way or the other. It needs to be.
The Supreme Court has already ruled that private areas used by the public are subject to the protections afforded by the constitution, like free speech.
Social media is todays electronic town square overlapping the physical one. It is a public place where private individuals can do business respecting all constitutional protections.
How do you manage to pack so many mistakes into one post?
No, the Supreme Court has never ruled that "private areas used by the public are subject to the protections afforded by the constitution". If you think I am wrong, please cite the specific case with that holding.
Social media has some limited similarity to the proverbial town square but it's actually more like the public tavern - a place where free and open conversations often happened but nevertheless owned by a private citizen and subject to whatever rules the innkeeper set. If you want a true electronic equivalent to a town square, it must be a truly public property - that is, owned or controlled by the government. That's why Trump's twitter account could be subject to First Amendment restrictions while Twitter as a whole was (and is) not.
Nice reply, I wouldn't have been able to word it so eloquently.
You again. The anonymous coward who runs away instead of admitting their errors. Why not, you have neither credibility nor authority.
There is a very interesting supreme court case that deals with the rights of a company that owns a town square to limit speech. Marsh vs Alabama. The ruling was that a company that owned a company town could not limit speech in that town. Here is a link to the ruling.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/326/501
“ The more an owner, for his advantage, opens up his property for use by the public in general, the more do his rights become circumscribed by the statutory and constitutional rights of those who use it.”
In other words, we carry our rights onto private property and everywhere we go.
If you run a business which is open for the general public, you are obliged to respect ALL their human rights.
You analogy is also wrong. People go to a tavern to eat, not to speak. Speech is only moderated for the peace of others who are physically unable to ignore it. People go to social media to speak. Anyone can ignore anything without sacrifice.
Now run away again from your errors.
Further, the tech companies are all in California. The Pruneyard decision might also apply.
Yeah, totally. People never go to the bar to talk and interact with others, it's literally all about quiet eating and then immediately leaving when done.
Jesus, you white supremacists fuck. You're so massively stupid it just hurts to read your posts at this point.
Cmon, you make it too easy for others to feel superior to you.
Be honest, you saw the word ‘Reich’ and became aroused. You’re probably wet to the knees right now.
Yeah, I hoped he might be Robert Reicht, the third.
Fuck off coward.
Coward? Oh please do come for a visit. I’m in WA. You could use some education.
Yes, you’re a no account coward too afraid to be recognized for the garbage you say.
Fuck off coward.
"Yes, you’re a no account coward too afraid to be recognized for the garbage you say."
Steaming pile of Nazi shit seems to think there's a sentence in that word salad.
Stuff it up your ass, shitpile.
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Yeah just keep pushing that bigotry button fuckwit and do us all a favour.
Maybe you two faggots can go fuck each other.
They would argue that they’re not open to the general public, but only the specific public that has contractually agreed to their EULA that sets terms of service.
I would argue no other industry can get away with an agreement that basically says “we can change this agreement for any reason at any time, allowing us to continue to benefit from this agreement, while denying your benefits from this agreement. And we can do it without telling you. And after this agreement is over, we’ll continue to benefit from the agreement, while we maintain the right to slander you for making us refuse to allow you to continue to benefit from this agreement.”
What if Jews wanted to exercise their freedom of expression on your publicly accessible privately-owned business or other private property of yours? You've never answered that question.
Whether you answer yes or no, you've put yourself into Logical Contradiction-ville. That town's not big enough for two mutually-exclusive answers.
Fuck Off, Nazi!
You should stay in the shallow end of the gene pool.
I don’t specifically invite the general public to speak on my property.
Only if I did, would I be obligated to respect their right to free speech.
Even the Joooossssss?
Yeah, even those lying fuckwits.
Jews gotta lie, so they gotta speak and we gotta expose those lies with the truth.
It’s the way of the world!
So….l we’re you raised as a neo Nazi, or did you come upon this yourself?
There’s nothing racist about scrutinizing the tenets of a religion and holding voluntary members of that religion accountable for advocating them.
Jews are taught that it’s okay to lie, period. I was taught that it isn’t. There in lies the conflict.
Their holiest prayer on their holiest day is clearly a plan to lie. The faithful can lie for another year with the comfort and blessing of their religion. If Satan is the father of lies, members of the Jewish religion are his faithful children.
Here is the Kol Nidre text. The holiest Jewish prayer on the holiest Jewish day.
“All vows, obligations, oaths, and anathemas [curses]which we may vow, or swear, or pledge, or whereby we may be bound, from this Day of Atonement until the next we do repent. May they be deemed absolved, forgiven, annulled, and void, and made of no effect: they shall not bind us nor have any power over us. The vows shall not be reckoned vows; the obligations shall not be obligations; nor the oaths be oaths.”
The Kol Nidre is not a prayer. Missing the exhualtations to yahwh and all that. But putting aside your inability to research or comprehend things you use as evidence to support your verbal diarrhea, enlighten me as to what part of the Kol Nidre text instructs those reciting it to lie?
Wait, wait. I should be more specific because that is a mightly long paragraph for someone who clearly struggles with reading... Which of the verbs in the following sentance from the Kol Nidre means 'to lie'?
"May they be deemed absolved, forgiven, annulled, and void"
Making a statement about not honoring an obligation is not the same as lying about it. Period. Sorry Robbo. Try again.
How do you interpret this other than reneging on statements aka lying? Fuckwit
“The vows shall not be reckoned vows; the obligations shall not be obligations; nor the oaths be oaths.”
Saying “an oath is not an oath” is itself a lie.
Saying “an oath is not an oath” is itself a lie.
This from a Nazi scum extremely familiar with lying.
No, that’s from the fuckwit Jews holiest prayer.
The only thing you’ve ever proven here is that you’re a liar. I’ve cited the proof many times. Something you have never done regarding your baseless claims that I have lied.
You’re a liar, like the lying waste of skin Jews who faked a holocaust no less than 166 times, like their brethren who fake cancer on go fund me pages to pathetically beg for money.
The worst thing you could call me is a Jew.
Ah, nuts. I replied to the troll.
Not a troll. A Nazi piece of shit.
Whooosh.
That’s not how whooosh works.
Whooosh.
It seems to me that “whooosh” is intended to demonstrate to others that the hapless target is oblivious to the irony of what they said, making any request for clarification particularly stinging.
Are you still stinging?
So you are a troll then.
Whooosh
Still don’t get it. Sad.
You were attempting clarification while obliviously and ironically incorrectly suggesting the incorrect use of the word intended to describe what you were doing.
You performed the first self-whooosh that I have ever witnessed.
It’s like you shot yourself in the foot.
It was actually more like a triple self Whooosh.
That earned you a top spot in the feeble mental gymnastics.
The competition is fierce.
This statement confirms you don’t know what whoosh means.
He’s more focused on Holocaust 2.0.
You're right. First comes the "Whoosh!" from him, then comes the "Ack!-Ack!" from the Partizan on the ground. 🙂
Judges?
0 0 0 1 0
(It figures the Russian judge gave you a 1)
With the performance of a triple self whooosh with a sting, we have a new champion of the Reason feeble mental gymnastics.
The rest of you losers can fuck off.
Is this what passes for humor among Nazis?
Don’t you want to know what you won?
He probably did this 8n school, thinking it would be clever. Then got his ass beat multiple times, because he’s too stupid to learn, and highly delusional.
He can be (and is) both.
Do yourself a favour and don’t make that mistake again.
Do everyone a favor and commit suicide.
Beg
In any interaction between the two of us, I can promise you I won’t be the one begging.
In every interaction so far you are demonstrated to be a no account lying coward too afraid to be recognized for never proving what you claim nor refuting what you deny.
That’s who you are.
I have no idea how the SCOTUS would rule but I hope your interpretation is correct. Personally I believe that because social media is a major communications channel (arguably the most important communications channel) is controlled by a small number of companies then those companies should be required to respect basic constitutional rights. Or the companies should be broken up into little pieces.
Saying "if you don't like twitter/facebook/reddit/youtube 's rules then find another twitter/facebook/reddit/youtube with different rules" doesn't really apply and the companies that control those media (plus a few others) should be required to uphold free speech.
I used to be one of those who believes people should be controlled because they can't be trusted.
Then I asked myself who will do the controlling? Well, the answer is people.
Then I saw the contradiction. If people are so untrustworthy that they need to be controlled, what makes the controllers so fucking special?
This was before I read James Madison.
“If Men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and the next place, oblige it to control itself.” ― James Madison
He tried. He wrote a Constitution creating an government of enumerated powers to protect unenumerated rights.
But those angels managed to turn it into a government of unlimited powers that grudgingly recognizes enumerated rights.
I've recently seen a similar problem with the scaling of both communist and capitalist economic systems.
IF the systems were run by angels, they'd work to the benefit of all. Or at least they'd work fairly for all.
But they are not. It's like when midwits applaud union victories against the (demonstrably evil) oligarchs. Have they never seen what happens to the people running powerful unions?
Or, when The Party runs things, have they never checked the maldistribution of beautiful young women, dachas, and luxury cars, which, I would wager without investigation, mirrors that in the US, or in the Russian oligarchy?
Yes - I think you have to judge an economic / political system by the results when actually implemented - not by some ideal textbook implementation that could never happen in real life.
capitalist economic systems
I hate to side with them, but this is one thing Bitcoiners get right without realizing it. There is no capitalist economic system(s). It's like saying firearms war systems. Capital doesn't distribute itself, organize people, or control their behavior any more than guns kill people or start a war. Yes, there are fiat, crony, and corporatist systems that utilize capital but they are fiat/crony/corporatist economic systems. This is in distinct contrast to communist systems which explicitly organize people into communes inherently.
"Libertarian" means "bad", it's the same as calling Musk a Nazi, a racist, a white supremacist, a reactionary, or a colonialist - it means nothing other than Reich has no idea what any of those words mean.
Actually it's not. Calling Musk a "libertarian" is saying he's a naïve little man who doesn't understand that people, left to their own devices, will cause chaos and mayhem. People must be controlled.
Calling him a "Nazi, a racist, a white supremacist, a reactionary, or a colonialist" is saying that he wants people to be controlled, but he wants the wrong people to control the wrong things.
Calling him a "Nazi, a racist, a white supremacist, a reactionary, or a colonialist" is saying that he wants people to be controlled, but he wants the wrong people to control the wrong things.
The left has spent the last 10-odd years normalizing "no bad tactics, just bad targets," and are terrified that their opponents might return the favor.
We should. They’ve declared war on Americans. So it’s time for Americans to make war back at them.
No offense but I think you missed the point.
You should know this one, I quote it a lot.
The point is that there is team "people should be controlled" and team "people don't need to be controlled."
Team A argues about who and what will be controlled and by whom.
Team B says leave me the fuck alone.
“Political tags — such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth — are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort.”
― Robert A. Heinlein
I'm on team B.
Good show. Five dollars says the coercive altruist blinks a couple of times in bovine incomprehension, then goes back to begging the State to send men with guns to save others from their vices or force its virtues on them. Any takers?
I'm on team B.
No, sarc, you're not.
You've become one of those on team A whose task is undermining team B by screeching that everything team B does or wants is in direction opposition to team B.
Just like Reason, wherein one can find an article chastising Robert Reich for expostulating on a stance that Reason holds and defends--that censorship is fine, even needed, and is good so long as it is wielded by hands they like.
Scott Shackford advocates having agents of the state teach children to lie to their parents.
Jacob Sullum advocates imprisonment without bail or charge for disfavored political prisoners.
This is not a place where the ideas of team B get any play save in the comments.
And I think Elon is in team B as well.
HAIL ERIS!!!! Discordians, untie!!!
*Eats Holy Hot dog and Golden Apple in devotion to the Goddess of Chaos. Then tips fedora to M'Lady.*
*FNORD!*
-><-
Or he does know what they mean and is purposefully misapplying them.
Robert Reich is just upset that a black man has power.
African american
But, then again, ultimately, we are all Africans and every born or naturalized American is African-American. Hence, why is Reich so upset?
Gosh... what a SURPRISE!
Reich is not confused, he is intentionally calling his censorship good while anything that might threaten him is bad. Even if they are identical in all other aspects. This is deliberate Robby, stop giving these people the benefit of the doubt for speakers at that level.
Why anyone listens to what that sawed off little turd says is beyond me. He’s a just a smug little runt. Both in stature and intellectualy.
^This.
Reich knows damn well what he is doing.
>>is one of the most influential progressive economic writers and commentators alive today
only if you grant him the credit. otherwise he's just a loud Hobbit
Nah! True Hobbits like their Hobbit Holes, which means comfort, not gallavanting off seeking Rings of Power.
Reich is too busy offering his Hobbit Hole up for spelunking to go anywhere.
Reich doesn't seem to realize that he is condemning one kind of tyranny while lionizing another
Yes he does.
the things the authors don't realize could fill Brendan Byrne Arena
Under the Civil War cases and others, the S. Ct., filled with vile mysogynists and racists, gave private companies 'immunity' when it came to violating the Constitutional rights of blacks and women. All those cases have been eviscerated by Amendments, decisions or law (e.g. the color Blind Civil Rights Act of 1964 that directly addresses private company behavior). It is time to end the last refuge of these scoundrels and apply it to companies that censor protected free speech the public square. Let them start their own private network or be banned. How and why any libertarian would be opposed or accept this private company immunity in the 21st Century is pure bull shit.
Every time Robert Reich says something publicly, it is almost always one of the stupidest things I have ever heard a supposedly educated person say. Really. He should know better. And I think "Well, he can't top that one"...and then he does.
^ this. He's the dumbest fuck of all.
Mirror, mirror on the wall.
Reich has to stand on a crate to make that work.
That nattering dwarf is the quintessential midwit who made it far beyond his ability
The magic word is arbeiter.
If you're surprised about this, you've never listened to or ready anything from NPR contributor, Robert Reich.
If you're not surprised about this but heard it from Robert Reich, you're doing it wrong by listening to Robert Reich.
Fun personal fact, Robert Reich was one of the (several) reasons I turned off NPR after 25 years of listening and never turned it back on.
Same here. Also on the list the woke cancelling of Prairie Home Companion.
It's easy to claim censorship is freedom! All you need to do is redefine the word "oppression" so it includes other people disagreeing with you and saying mean things about you. Then when the government censors them it isn't oppressing them, it's stopping them from oppressing you!
Reich appears to be doing a variant of this tactic.
who care what that asshat says? slow news day? puking up a tweet? solid journalism scoop
I read the Reich article in the Guardian yesterday before this column was written and I totally agree with Soave on this, except where he mentions the First Amendment and freedom of speech. He is wrong on those points and I believe that we are moving in the direction that will clarify that.
A state actor does NOT need to be "the" government. A state actor can be one that is carrying out a function that was traditionally performed by the government, or a private entity that has government backing in its actions. Twitter, Facebook and the like are not like editors of a paper where they have control over the content. Twitter and Facebook, as well as other social media giants provide a "public bulletin board" where members of the public can post. The government has given them immunity from lawsuits about what the public post on their bulletin boards. There is, therefore, government backing. On the one hand they don't want to be responsible what the public posts, and on the other they want to censure what the public posts. That is a state actor.
Twitter and Facebook, and the others, should not be able to censure posts on their de facto public square without the due process that is required of the government. I'm confident that this will be the case when it finally reaches the Supreme Court.
Twitter, Facebook and the like are not like editors of a paper where they have control over the content.
Well, they do in fact have control over the content.
"I like masks, because they work" is allowed to be posted.
"I don't like masks, because they don't work" will get censored.
Therefore the only messaging on FaceTwit is "Masks work and you should like them."
You simply filter out all unwanted messages, and let wanted messages through, you build an editorial narrative. Just because the writers aren't employees, doesn't mean you can't steer the conversation.
Twitter, Facebook and the like are not like editors of a paper where they have control over the content
Get to know Bari Weiss.
“ Twitter is not on the masthead of The New York Times. But Twitter has become its ultimate editor. As the ethics and mores of that platform have become those of the paper, the paper itself has increasingly become a kind of performance space. Stories are chosen and told in a way to satisfy the narrowest of audiences, rather than to allow a curious public to read about the world and then draw their own conclusions. I was always taught that journalists were charged with writing the first rough draft of history. Now, history itself is one more ephemeral thing molded to fit the needs of a predetermined narrative.”
https://www.bariweiss.com/resignation-letter
"A state actor does NOT need to be "the" government."
So many self-purported libertarians don't want to or refuse to understand this.
This one little nugget of incoherent rhetoric is how libertarians justify being authoritarian fascists.
"Even though it's a private corporation, it's government because I say so, and thus it can be crushed."
They need to put you back in your restraints.you’re a silly bitch.
What the fuck is a de facto public square?
You can't say anything you want to say in a library, and that's owned by government. They will literally shush you.
Twitter is a private corporation that sells advertising. That is all it is. You just can't handle the fact that Donald Trump is a treasonous bitch who spreads lies to millions. Twitter has every right under the constitution not to publish shit it doesn't want to publish. You are the one arguing to violate the first amendment in a multidimensionally authoritarian way.
But you're probably right about this supreme court.
Everybody knows the authoritarians and dictators crave and open and free internet!
Scratch a progressive, find a Nazi.
That’s always been true.
I was late to realizing that—didn't really see it until the last two years. Watching "progressives" and "liberals" rushing to obey and adore authoritarianism was an actual shock to me. I thought only the far left so totally rejected liberal values.
It took me long enough to figure it out.
Scratch a progressive and you’ll find a totalitarian who isn’t quite ready to get his hands bloody.
The left's attack Yorkie is taking a perfectly understandable position that's almost universal on the left: The end justifies the means. Literally nothing else does.
If the end is good, you can do ANYTHING to pursue it: Censorship, robbery, murder, torture, anything.
If the end is bad, no means are permissible. Not free speech, not peaceable assembly, not self defense, not spending your own money in lawful ways. Nothing. Everything is off limits, kill yourself already and save somebody else the trouble.
And, who decides if the end is good? The left, of course.
Well said.
You are the ones who want to use government to force a private corporation to platform speech it doesn't want to.
This is all beyond your understanding. So go away.
Social media sites are private companies
When is Reason going to give up on this fantasy?
Private in the way any IN-Q-TEL OPSEC is private.
The CIA learned in the 90's that you can evade First Amendment issues by selling shares in its fronts.
"Private" and "clandestine" aren't the same thing.
I've never created a Twitter or Facebook account. I can ignore engaging with them without fear.
Alas, I cannot say the same of the government within whose geographical boundaries I find myself born into.
The two classes of entities are so fundamentally different on this important matter that I am saddened to see any purported libertarian insisting on any sort of equivalence.
When government facilitates and finances a "private company" and flagrantly pulls the strings of control over them, they are something other than "private".
I can ignore engaging with them without fear.
Good luck finding a job, running for office, or even getting a date these days without a social media presence. There are costs to ignoring them.
"[Reich] is one of the most influential progressive economic writers and commentators alive today."
Which says more about those who find him "influential" than it does about him.
The Chron used to carry a weekly column by him, which he wrote once and changed some words each week:
"The rich are getting richer faster than the poor"
Which is a sign that some level of freedom remains, and people can profit from their productive efforts.
Dangerous nonsense indeed!
Imagine a website that masquerades as a public square, allowing people to say whatever they want, as long as they don't threaten anyone directly. Someone could become misinformed.
Pft.... So Reich is a Democrat.. Enough said.
Ya; Whatever preached as the 'right' thing will always be a complete contradiction to the action preformed or requested at the exact same time...
Isn't that like a given for Democrats at this point.
Case & Point; "We're Anti-Racist and Anti-Sexist"... So here we are pitching LAW that favors certain skin colors and certain sexes.
There are very few good democrats left. So few that we can view them all as enemies by default. Destroy them before he do the same to us.
And there isn’t much time left.
In the beginning was USENET.
Most of its "newsgroups" (discussion forums) were unmoderated.
It was the wild west of online free speech. There was no central authority - just a cooperative federation of interconnected Usenet service providers.
And it thrived.
It was a libertarian ideal. I know - I was fortunate to partake of it.
Usenet still exists, though Web forums surpassed it in popularity for reasons that can be debated.
So the idea that there was never a libertarian era of free expression on the Internet is a product of ignorance of internet history.
Not to mention that, today, you can find places on the internet to say literally anything you could possibly imagine saying. Maybe not Twitter, but nobody promised anyone the keys to the Mercedes.
It just seems rather late for libertarians to be discovering that the marketplace is driven by profit motive rather than preserving constitutional rights.
You are a collaborating Marxist idiot. If you had two brain cells to rub together you would flee America ASAP. Before things get really fuck bad for you and your fellow travelers. Americans are tired of being pushed. Now they’re starting to push back.
He's fucked no matter which side wins. The Useful Idiots are always the first against the wall.
Misinformation you say?
US Officials Admit They’re Literally Just Lying To The Public About Russia
https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2022/04/07/us-officials-admit-theyre-literally-just-lying-to-the-public-about-russia/
And from the storied journalistic institution caitlinjohnstone.com.
Another America hater, probably on the Kremlin payroll.
The things being described are good. It's the US acting as an agile global power in furtherance of its security ends. Only someone who hates America would have a problem with that stuff.
Problem is Tony; You leftwits pretend you have redefined America to be just like Democratic Nazi Germany.... Instead of actually using the USA'S definition; The U.S. Constitution.
I.E. You can't hate the U.S. Constitution and pretend you love America.. What you really love is a Nazi-Regime taking over America.
He’s a Marxist traitor. His kind need to be dealt with as such.
“An agile, global power…”
Lol. And when the R’s take over you can go right back to “dangerous, embarrassing menace.”
And all it took for you to get your yay America Pom poms back out was Joe. Fucking. Biden.
Embarrassed yet, tony?
Only someone who hates America would have a problem with that stuff.
Or a libertarian.
Yes, and Reich is as ignorant of economics as Warren and Sanders. That's why he is so popular with progressives.
Twitter can ban whatever the fuck Twitter wants from its own property, libertarian.
If Musk takes over, he can get a very tedious lesson on all the things Twitter already learned, such as that an unregulated Twitter isn't compatible with a world in which Twitter isn't overrun by child pornography and beheading videos.
Notice the government is playing no role in any of this (excepting the SEC violations Musk commits by the dozens).
So many words to say "I suck Trump cock and I want him dictator."
Biden’s White House instructed these media platforms to silence any speech that didn’t conform to the administration’s narrative. Retribution was implied. So fuck you and your disingenuous distortions Tony.
So once again, fuck you. You are a malignant, sociopathic Marxist traitor.
I don't think anyone here would have a problem with illegal pornography being banned from social media. Beheading videos can have obvious informative value. Of course, that can be a problem for someone trying to whitewash Islam.
"It's important to be clear that when we're talking about free speech in the Twitter context, we're talking about the principle of free speech, not free speech as protected by the First Amendment. Social media sites are private companies, and the First Amendment protects their right to set whatever moderation policies they want: The First Amendment cannot be cited as a defense by anyone who is shadow-banned or de-platformed on Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, or anywhere else. What we possess, under the First Amendment, is a right to criticize bad and hypocritical behavior free from government censorship."
Throat clearing bullshit. A big area of private censorship now is social media companies being muscled by government to censor for them.
One of the perks of Subsidizing (Nazifying) everything....
Obama: ‘Google, Facebook Would Not Exist’ Without Government Funding
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-google-facebook-would-not-exist-without-government-funding
"A managed democracy is a wonderful thing... for the managers... and its greatest strength is a 'free press' when 'free' is defined as 'responsible' and the managers define what is 'irresponsible'.” ― Robert A. Heinlein, The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress
Robert Reich sees himself as part of the managerial class.
The First Amendment is a governing restraint for private “front companies” in full or part.
Yes. The government may not contract out actions it is prohibited from conducting itself.
I stopped as soon as I saw Berkley. Anything at that reference becomes bonkers.
A Marxist supports stifling speech and people he does not like? Shocked.
I stopped as soon as I saw Berkley.
If a government agency coerces or deputizes a private company to censor or anything else - it is no longer a 100% private company. The First Amendment does indeed apply in that scenario. Government can’t farm out censorship.
Even government “front companies” (masquerading as private companies) are legally bound by Title 5 US Code 3331 - America’s supreme loyalty oath governing one’s job authority.
This is about loyalty. In this scenario, these aren’t loyal government officials breaking a few laws as a “front company”. These are officials disloyal to their American loyalty oath not to violate constitutional rights.
For example: in February of 2001, The Bush Justice Department attempted to coerce Joe Nacchio of Qwest Communications to commit felonies - on behalf of the government. The Bush DOJ trumped up charges and sent Nacchio to prison for several years. If Nacchio would have agreed to becoming a government front company, think of the precedent and incentive that creates.
Under the above true life scenario, the U.S. Constitution [a wartime governing charter] and all local, state and federal laws are totally meaningless. The Oath of Office is totally meaningless. If an official wants to be disloyal to their Oath of Office, he or she can just “farm it out”. What about farming out torture, interrogations and assassinations? (which also happened under Bush). A bad precedent that is highly disloyal to America’s loyalty oath.
Makes you wonder where the Prosecutors were when Democratic Politicians called in to have entire Right-Wing platforms shut down during the election doesn't it???
Anyone who thinks that Musk's plans for Twitter are anything other than self-serving and corrupt is seriously deluded.
Musk does not give a shit about "free speech." What he cares about is money and power. Now he wants to control an important media outlet, as someone with clear opinions about government and multiple business dealings with government. He also apparently sees an opportunity to squeeze money from willing promoters to get special "access" to Twitter's user base.
Anyone who has watched media degrade and authoritarianism in other countries knows where this is headed. Trump and his GOP goons will spend plenty of money to have free access to Twitter, and to get their misinformation promoted endlessly. Perhaps the Democrats will, too. Moderation and censorship will still happen, just not of political speech that Musk wants to charge for. This swill will lead to further corruption of Washington and local politics - and will likely lead to even worse results in countries that are already degraded, such as Myanmar, Turkey, the Philippines, etc. (i.e., on the order of genocide, extrajudicial killings, etc.)
It will be interesting to see what Reason's take on this will be. The Kochs probably were fine with a disrupting Musk, holding a big stake in Twitter. They might be less interested in a world where Musk holds all of Twitter in his slimy hands.
"Private companies can do whatever they want...........WAIT NOT LIKE THAT"
"They must be controlled by GUNS!!!! Gov-Gun threats... "
Proudly yells utterly stupid and ignorant Nazi-Regime fans.
Humorously; The only "money" that is a threat to a free-market is money used to BRIBE those Gov-Guns of which leftards are so in love with.... Course; most CRIMINAL mentalities are.
How well do you know Musk? Could you get an interview with him on this topic and share it with us so we can hear his thoughts first hand? Or are you a psychic mind reader?
Wow, you lefturds are truly terrified of anyone being able to call you on your bullshit, aren't you?
-jcr
I mean, he's right, but..... we're literaly talking about the oligarch trying to make a ww3 summer home on mars...... i mean, bioweapons labs are the only thing competing with musk for dooms day creds.
Is there maybe a little too much projection fallacy going around? Youd think you were watching a democrat primary or something. Looks like nancy palosi queen of kink factory critisizing trump for taking a porn star for a wife.
Btw, dont even think of running trump again. He cant win unless someone kills baldwin first. No one wants to see baldwin ever again. And dont go thinking that means we dont want the trump media sht storm. Lets be honest, that sht was pretty fun. Nope, i mean very simply, no one want to have to see baldwin again. Trump had it perfectly right about south american catholic pederast heroin cartel anchor babies. Even south americans think so. Seems we all love looking at beheaded heroin cartel gang leaders these days.
Btw, theres some guy in the white house who's head should be delivered to the hague by diplomatic pouch for afghan pederast heroin cartel war crimes. Check the world wide upward trending mortality rate that began in 2010. Yes its awesome heroin adicts died off in the millions but do you know how many billion new ones they made just to do that?
Yes, pornstar and chief did taper off the upward trend but apparently none of the junkies were happy with methadone. They didnt want heroin substitutes, they wanted heroin. Nothing else would do. All trump did was save a bunch of ungreatful slime we'd all be better off without and who where subsequently everyone that defrauded the election to remove him. You can save a heroin junky but you're only saving someone who wants to kill you for it.
Swine flu? What kind of fgt would pivot to how obiden handled swine flu(an act of god) over obiden's pederast heroin cartel heroin epidemic??(an act of obiden)
Thank you, Dr. Bronner.
Still have a label teased off of "ALL ONE"'s soap. Still suspect Hihn was Bronner.
BlackCat13th
April.14.2022 at 10:52 am
"I mean, he's right, but..... we're literaly talking about the oligarch trying to make a ww3 summer home on mars...... i mean, bioweapons labs are the only thing competing with musk for dooms day creds...."
I'm sure a fucking lefty pile of shit fantasized there was a sentient point in that comment.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
Can anyone tell me when the little political hack Reich has ever been correct?
The wokies’ cultural torches and enlightenment crusades have reached diminishing returns. They’re sliding toward the historical grave. Their last, and risible, hurrah was in polluting and puppeteering the Biden regime.
How’d that work out? In a few months, they will effectively go the way of the Bull Moosers: a transient and untenable mindset whose ideas will barely bring glee amidst the drunk, dizzy or deluded.
Oppose free speech if you want to protect lies and preserve stupidity. The internet needs a completely uncensored bulletin board where anyone can say anything and anyone else can comment upon it. Stupidity and lies will be quickly revealed and people will learn to not believe everything they read.
Of course - Robert Reich - who is a prolific liberal propogandist, is afraid of actual uncontrolled freedom speech. His "ideas" will no longer be spoon fed to the masses as unsettled truth - instead of the quacked up reformulated Marxism that the truly are!
Robert "Third" Reich.