Transpartisan Coalition Agrees No-Fly Zone Over Ukraine Would Be Disastrous
Spanning many professions and political affiliations, the signatories to a new letter agree that a NATO-enforced no-fly zone over Ukraine would be a mistake.

The continued Russian invasion of Ukraine and mounting civilian casualties have prompted calls for the U.S. and NATO to act. While NATO members are already providing ample military aid to Ukraine, heaping sanctions on Russia, and offering refuge to fleeing Ukrainians, many people in the U.S. are pushing for a no-fly zone to be imposed over parts of Ukraine.
The idea has found willing supporters in Sens. Joe Manchin (D–W.Va.) and Roger Wicker (R–Miss.), as well as Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R–Ill.). Last week, more than two-dozen foreign policy professionals and academics signed a letter calling for a "limited no-fly zone" over Ukraine, "starting with protection for humanitarian corridors that were agreed upon in talks between Russian and Ukrainian officials."
Since then, nearly three times as many foreign policy professionals and practitioners have signed a letter opposing a no-fly zone over Ukraine enforced by the U.S. and NATO. The 78 signatories include former ambassadors to Russia and the Soviet Union, dozens of professors, and former Republican and Democratic Hill staffers, all part of a transpartisan effort cautioning against escalation with Russia.
"A no-fly zone would commit the U.S. and NATO forces to shoot down any Russian aircraft that enter," reads the letter. "It would be naive to think that merely declaring a no-fly zone would convince the Russian military to comply voluntarily. In short, a no-fly zone would mean going to war with Russia."
The letter continues:
There must be a clear ceiling for escalation, as U.S. officials and experts appreciated during the Cold War, when the United States faced a more powerful adversary than Russia represents today. Russian President Vladimir Putin will pay for his reckless gamble in Ukraine. The United States should respond in responsible ways, not make a reckless gamble of its own.
Though implementing a no-fly zone may be emotionally appealing, the signatories recognize that announcing one would not deter Russian aggression. It must be enforced somehow, and even a "limited" no-fly zone could ultimately involve the U.S. and NATO using military force to counter Russian aggression.
This is really important:
Public support for a no-fly zone over Ukraine *plummets* if you actually explain that a no-fly zone would mean war between Russian and the United States pic.twitter.com/a3LapY4Tyr
— Alec Stapp (@AlecStapp) March 14, 2022
Vox's Zack Beauchamp outlined three reasons why even a "limited" no-fly zone would be counterproductive. First, they have a spotty track record as a deescalation tactic: "After NATO imposed a no-fly zone over Bosnia in 1993, its jets had to shoot down Bosnian Serb aircraft that flew into the protected airspace." Second, NATO would likely need to strike anti-aircraft batteries on Russian and Belarusian territory—an obvious escalation. And third, calls for a no-fly zone neglect the fact that Russia has primarily attacked civilian areas "using artillery rather than airstrikes." A no-fly zone misses the root of the offensive problem.
"The letter signers include a lot of individuals who regularly disagree with one another on other foreign policy issues," says Dan Caldwell, vice president of foreign policy for Stand Together and one of the letter's signatories. "The fact that they would come together in opposition to this proposal I think reinforces how insane an idea it is for NATO and the U.S. to try and impose a no-fly zone over Ukraine."
Foreign policy experts of all political stripes recognize the dangers of a no-fly zone, and thankfully, the Biden administration has been of a similar mind thus far. Imposing a no-fly zone would do nothing to deescalate tensions in Ukraine—rather, it would push two nuclear-armed global powers ever closer to lethal conflict.
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It’s stunning the level of ignorance of those calling for a NFZ. These simpletons are a clear and present danger to humanity itself. They are the woke and they need to be dealt with one way or another.
The weird thing is, ALL of my friends from one end of the political spectrum to the other think that a No-Fly-Zone is a terrible idea that would directly result in war with Russia, and since NONE of them want to go to war with Russia over Ukraine, they don't support it.
It makes one wonder - who are the 38% of people who still want to do it even with the knowledge it will directly result in armed conflict with a nuclear power? They can't all be Ukranian refugees.
I dunno, we still have people in here speculating about how NATO would do in a conventional war against Russia. Direct conflict between Russia and NATO will not stay conventional for long so it's a pointless exercise, but it does show that there are a lot of people out there who do not understand what war with Russia actually means.
I have analyzed a hypothetical conventional war between NATO and Russia, but have never stated it would stay conventional. I've often said it wouldn't stay conventional. In fact, in order to assert air superiority would require us hitting targets inside Russia and Byelorus, with bombers and cruise missiles. Once the first cruise missile or stealth bomber crossed into Russian airspace, I suspect that would trigger a nuclear strike from Russia. They wouldn't know if they were carrying conventional or "special" ordinances, and the Russians probably wouldn't wait to find out. It's possible bombers might be able to hit targets without triggering a nuclear exchange if they aren't detected. But as soon as the tables turned on Russia, who truly believes Putin wouldn't go nuclear? The only way to avoid it is for a Tom Clancy style coup a la Red Storm Rising. Great book but fiction for a reason.
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After talking to a few people, I think there may be a younger generation who don’t know about MAD, since they didn’t grow up with the threat of nuclear war hanging over their heads like many of us older people.
Uh, Mike...The threat of nuclear has hung over every generation since Fat Man and Little Boy were made and dropped in 1945.
It's not like all those bombs and ICBMs and world leaders and international terrorists all took a break when Millennials were born.
And the doctrine of MAD is mad. The U.S. bought into it and reduced their arms and even disavowed the strictly defensive ABM and Neutron Bomb (which creator Physicist Sam Cohen only wanted for stopping Warsaw Pact tanks invadiñg Western Europe.)
Meanwhile, the Soviets didn't buy into MAD and kept building nukes and the danger of the weapons persists even greater under Putin today.
It makes one wonder - who are the 38% of people who still want to do it even with the knowledge it will directly result in armed conflict
They’re people who have been trained to emotionally react accordingly to whatever propaganda they’ve been fed. To be on the “right side” of the issue and to socially signal at all costs.
It’s too bad CNN/Fox/Facebook whatever doesn’t tell them to jump off a cliff.
It reminds me of the surge in support for same-sex marriage.
If the academic, media, and entertainmemt elites turned sgainst gsys, half of those who were enthusiastic supporters of marriage equality would just as enthusiastically push gays off the rooves of buildings.
NFZs have worked wonderfully for US conflicts for the last 40 years so why not now? /sarc
I can't see anything deeper than this going on. Remember Hillary Clinton called for a NFZ over Syria if elected while Russia was flying in Syrian airspace, so it seems like an automatic response from NPC level engagement with military matters.
I also love their line "stop saying a no fly zone would start ww3- if the Russians violate it, it would be their fault for starting ww3!"
Fn NPCs
It is people who want to "do something" but have unrealistic hopes to limit the costs of "doing something". It is trying to have one's cake and eat it too. It is a great compromise solution, too little to be effective, too much to avoid the worst possible results.
Came to say something similar. Anyone who doesn't understand what a NFZ is, really needs to take remedial night classes.
Speaking of stunning levels of ignorance, the current Vice POTUS thinks the Ukraine is already part of NATO.
"The United States stands firmly with the Ukrainian people in defense of the NATO alliance," Harris said to applause from the crowd.
https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-12-22/h_2ee0ca37b6577f631528c18edcf80e6d
Remind me again, which of the bonehead writers here voted for this cackling imbecile?
And which of our boneheaded commenters.
Thank you Neville Chamberlain. The article is right, it's ridiculous to use force against an enemy who is using force to systematically take over neighboring nations, we learned in WWII what a disaster that is. They're already having trouble just taking over one small nation, if we were to put numerous nations against them that would somehow make them stronger and more financially stable! Better to just agree to let the former NKVD hero have whatever he wants and hope he doesn't take even more because peace at any cost.
Well, part of me wants to see an NFZ. Because I hoped it would lead to the all-out war with Russia I've been craving since 2016.
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I thought that was Herbert Hoover...
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This. All of this. I read the Vox article Sunday and couldn't find much I disagreed with. It surprises me to see people I'm related to, intelligent people not understand the dangers a war with Russia would entail.
Nardz linked a Twitter thread reposting Reddit warriors who got bombed by Russia while volunteering for the Ukraine Foreign Legion yesterday which really illustrated the impact of bombs on perceived reality.
People think it's Call of Duty shooting Russian pop-up targets. They thought the war was almost won and the hapless Russian tank columns were going to be easy pickings.
It really destroys the Ukraine is winning narrative that they are having to send people to the front without training or even adequate equipment.
"Though implementing a no-fly zone may be emotionally appealing"
To whom? Idiots?
John Quincy Adams, Fourth of July speech, 1821:
"...America...has abstained from interference in the concerns of others, even when the conflict has been for principles to which she clings, as to the last vital drop that visits the heart....Wherever the standard of freedom and independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. She will recommend the general cause, by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example. She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself, beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force. The frontlet upon her brows would no longer beam with the ineffable splendor of freedom and independence; but in its stead would soon be substituted an imperial diadem, flashing in false and tarnished lustre the murky radiance of dominion and power. She might become the dictatress of the world: she would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit."
https://economicthinking.org/john-quincy-adams-july-4-speec/
I agree that it would be folly to confront a nuclear superpower (Russia) in that power's front yard.
Nevertheless, the issues faced by the USA today are fundamentally different from those confronting Secretary of State J.Q. Adams in 1821.
(1) In 1821, the USA was only a secondary power, of local significance. To the extent a commitment was needed to secure global peace and stability, Great Britain was providing it. By 1940-41 by contrast, the USA had become the indispensable superpower, the only power capable of blocking Britain's surrender to Nazi Germany, or in the late 1940s preventing a war-ravaged Europe from collapsing into the Soviet orbit.
(2) In 1821, the USA could pursue a profitable course of naked egoism. Adams steered clear (probably wisely) of the independence wars in Latin America. Over the next generation, we would swallow half the territory of independent Mexico, and, once Britain abolished slavery around 1830, remain the World's most powerful slave society.
Two essays were posted in The Atlantic today arguing that the US should go to war with Russia. At least, they're being honest about what a no-fly zone would mean.
One is by a Ukrainian journalist who remains in Kyiv to care for her elderly parents who are unable to leave the country. I completely sympathize with her situation, and if I were in her shoes, I would also be hoping that the US would go to war with Russia.
Another is by a Johns Hopkins professor and former State Department official who should know better...
today The View called for prominent Ukraine war skeptics to be investigated and thrown in jail and left-wing talking heads agreed
lol even though for the first time in decades we're not even at war
it's like they took all the hysterical anti-war false claims of patriotic dissent suppression from the last 30 years and turned it all into an instruction manual
all we need is Cindy Sheehan baying for Russian blood to complete the circle of lunacy
remember, every sanction they impose on perfectly innocent Russian citizens today will be applied to you tomorrow
The Code Pink paitjful are still protesting this kind of stuff, but the democrats abandoned them when it didn’t serve their agenda. As democrats lack integrity, or principles.
So soon they forget supporting Jane Fonda while she sat on a AAA battery in Hanoi..free speech while the communists were killing American troops and pilots. The left has always had a very authoritarian gene...and for many of them in the foreign policy world it always goes back to the Czar doesn't it. They loved commies didn't they, I wonder why?
Meanwhile, the spill over into other nations has started. Yesterday it was a drone over Poland, a few days ago it was a drone over Croatia (with some reports claiming it was armed).
https://www.the-sun.com/news/4894561/russian-drone-shot-down-polish-airspace/
Idiotic. The time for a NFZ was before the invasion.
Yes, and just as many professions and political affiliations favor a no-fly zone. You can't decide these matters by majority opinion.
All this tinkering around the edges, weapons shipments, etc. just prolong the suffering for the Ukrainian people. Sooner or later, Zelensky will have to accept peace on Putin's terms because when push comes to shove, the West talks tough but isn't going to fight Russia over Ukraine.
Yep...Russia will get Crimea and the Donbas region, and Zelensky gets a mostly free Western Ukraine out of Nato. Or Putin is disposed if the war keeps going and going. Its binary...and while we would like the later, that means many innocent folks will die.
I think Russia without Putin may be even scarier than Russia with Putin.
Both the Russians and Ukrainians use the same SAM systems and AAA. And the Russians have put these systems both in Russia on the border, Belarus and Ukraine itself. US aircraft would likely have to strike these batteries with anti-radiation (radar) missiles so right off the bat you are going to have dead Russians and Ukranians (by mistake.
Then you have the problem of establishing complete air dominance over the skies. That means bombing Russian airfields IN Russia. That is a declaration of war dummies.
Last Russia doesn't have air superiority now. Ukraine still has a viable air defense system anyway (this is due to a bunch of reasons but the one primary problem the Russian Air Force has had is the limited experience of its pilots. Putin spent a lot of money on weapons but they shortchanged training. Most pilots are flying one flight a week prior to the war. There senior pilots get a ton of flight time but the rest get very little.
And finally the Russians rely more on artillery so a no fly zone isn't helping that unless you decide to turn it into a ground attack mode and that is war.
This is an idiotic idea from morons in Congress. It is about the only think I agree with Corn Pop...a dumb dumb dumb idea.
On the one hand, no-fly seems unnecessarily complicated. On the other hand, I don't believe Putin follows the advice of American think tanks or respects their proposed red lines any more than Soviet leaders did. Sanctions are an act of war, military supplies to Ukraine are an act of war, a no-fly zone is war. Basically anything that makes him lose is war. So do we let the Wookie win, or start making a difference? Biden wants the former.
I've contended all along that there needs to be a Yes-Fly Zone for Ukrainian drones dropping porn pics of hawt Russian Girls, Guys, and Trans on the Putineers. Whether they are attracted, repulsed, or indifferent, it will be a shiny thing to put them off their A-for-Armaments game.
Drones could also carry transmitters to interfere with Russian military radio frequencies, RADAR scramblers to mess with RADAR, or even mini Electro-Magnetic Pulse generators to interfere with smartphones. Without coordination by radio, RADAR, and other electronic information tools, the Russian military is without it's "ears" and "eyes" and is in disarray and even at risk for "friendly fire."
To address Putin's less-used Air Force, drones could jam RADAR electronically and with dropping of aluminum foil confetti in the air. Eqipped with explosives and flowin in swarms, drones could keep fighter planes from flying low and also prevent successful HALO paratroopers from making drops into Ukrainian territory.
Also, drones could fly under Putineer's RADAR and drop grenades on artillary and troop strongholds.
Drones can be the friends of peace-loving freedom-loving people if we but use them right.