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Russia

Russia Is Getting Canceled

Plus: Remembering life before smartphones, Biden's SOTU may pay lip service to deficit hawks, and more...

Eric Boehm | 3.1.2022 9:30 AM

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Russia is getting deplatformed from the world. The war in Ukraine is in many ways a traditional military clash involving tanks, missiles, diplomats, and supply lines. But nonstate actors have started taking sides—well, taking one side—in ways that the world hasn't seen before, with private sector businesses and international organizations responding to Russia's attack on its neighbor by cutting ties with Moscow, and in some cases sacrificing huge sums of money. Combined with the sanctions imposed by the United States and Europe (and perhaps motivated by them too), this mass exodus of foreign capital is demonstrating how the market can punish even powerful states for dangerous and unjustified behavior.

Shell, General Motors, BP, and other major firms have announced plans to leave Russia. FedEx and Germany-based shipping firm DHL are suspending deliveries to Russia, and Denmark-based Maersk, the world's largest container shipping company, says it is considering suspending all shipments to Russia.

"Companies are basically saying, 'We don't want to be part of this,'" Nick Tsafos, an expert on energy and geopolitics at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, tells The Washington Post. The Post notes that some of these moves are being made despite huge costs: Shell is abandoning several joint projects with Russia-based Gazprom, sacrificing more than $3 billion.

When the Cold War ended, Bloomberg reports, businesses poured into Russia to take advantage of a freshly open market with millions of new customers and the country's vast natural resources. The past few days have been a stunning reversal of that same rush, with energy companies, major international law firms, and exporters either announcing plans to scale down their operations in Russia or exit the country entirely:

The list of those cutting ties or reviewing their operations is growing by the hour as foreign governments ratchet up sanctions against Russia, close airspace to its aircraft and lock some banks out of the SWIFT money messaging system. With the ruble plunging and the U.S. banning transactions with the Russian central bank, operating in Russia has become deeply problematic. Some companies have concluded that the risks, both reputational and financial, are too great to continue.

The exodus is not limited to "hard" industries like energy and banking. Entertainment companies and the organizers of international sporting events have moved swiftly to exclude, cancel, and ban Russia. Disney is canceling all future film releases in Russia. The upcoming Batman film will not be released in Russia, Warner Bros. announced. And Netflix said Monday that it will not comply with new Russian rules requiring that it carry state television programming, a decision that will likely result in the streaming service being banned from Russian internet networks.

Even FIFA, the hideously corrupt international body that governs global soccer and organizes the World Cup, is taking action against Russia. After several European national teams said they would refuse to play Russia in upcoming World Cup qualifying matches, FIFA announced on Monday that it would give Russia the boot.

We are witnessing the first geopolitical 'cancellation' of the 21st century.

— Jason Willick (@jawillick) February 28, 2022

Thankfully, some companies that may help ordinary Russians survive what is likely to be a devastating economic collapse are refusing the join the parade. Binance and Coinbase, the world's two largest cryptocurrency exchanges, have promised not to unilaterally ban all Russian users.

In a statement to Vice, Coinbase said it would work to block "accounts and transactions" linked to targets of sanctions but would allow other Russians to use the service. "Our mission is to increase economic freedom in the world," the company said via a spokesperson. "A unilateral and total ban would punish ordinary Russian citizens who are enduring historic currency destabilization as a result of their government's aggression against a democratic neighbor."

That's a tricky balance to strike, but one that both governments and private actors must keep in mind as the war continues along both state-based and nonstate fronts. Sanctions and economic warfare will devastate Russian civilians who have nothing to do with—and in many cases actively oppose—their government's horrific actions in Ukraine. War always comes with collateral damage, of course, but steps should be taken to limit that fallout. Companies cutting ties with Russia should follow Coinbase's example whenever possible—though that's not really feasible for nontech firms like BP and Shell.

Meanwhile, Western nations imposing sanctions should also provide an open door to any Russian citizen who wants to escape the economic punishment being aimed at the Putin regime.

Senior EU officials tell me the EU is considering offering qualified Russian ???????? citizens EU ???????? passports - to accelerate Russian economic brain drain

This is just one of many innovative measures being considered to complement economic sanctions now in place ????????????????

— Mujtaba Rahman (@Mij_Europe) March 1, 2022


FREE MINDS

Was life better before smartphones? It's popular to condemn technology for all manner of psychological and social ills, but Matt Ruby offers a few—or, well, actually a lot—of counterpoints. Via his Substack, The Rubesletter:

I used to get lost all the time. I'd ask for directions, look for landmarks, fold maps, carry a guidebook, and keep an atlas in the glove compartment. I never knew when the next train was coming. I waited around a lot.

I memorized phone numbers, jotted things down in notebooks, had conversations with taxi drivers, talked to random people at bars, wrote checks, went to the bank, and daydreamed. I was grossly inefficient and terribly bored. I rarely got what I wanted and, when I did, I had to wait at least 8-10 days for it to be delivered. I was not archived, nor was I searchable; things I said just disappeared forever.

Read the whole thing.


FREE MARKETS

President Joe Biden will deliver the State of the Union address tonight, and he may even pay some lip service to deficit hawks. "President Biden will call on Congress to send him legislation that lowers costs of everyday expenses working families face and lowers the deficit by rewarding work, not wealth," the White House said in a fact sheet distributed to reporters in advance of the speech.

That's an acknowledgment of domestic political reality. After a year of trying and failing to convince Sen. Joe Manchin (D–W.Va.) and other moderate Democrats to support Biden's deficit-inflating "Build Back Better" plan, the White House is apparently ready to try a different approach.


QUICK HITS

• A family that escaped Afghanistan in August is now caught up in the refugee crisis unfolding in Ukraine.

• "Make the State of the Union boring again."

• Russia may have committed a war crime by using a so-called vacuum bomb in Ukraine.

• Periodic reminder that nationalism is collectivist and gross:

This is all nationalism has ever been: Using people as political pawns, cannon fodder, and buffers. pic.twitter.com/DJLhgVskzv

— The Alex Nowrasteh (@AlexNowrasteh) March 1, 2022

• Remote work is proving to be more persistent than expected.

• Don't forget to wear your mask and maintain social distancing while huddling in your nuclear fallout shelter.

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Russia is getting deplatformed from the world.

    Even from Facebook. At last, our elections are safe.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      We better fortify them just to be sure.

    2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      Looks like Davos activated their bat signal. Time for American companies to get involved in the Ukraine/Russia war.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Netflix already unleashed their awesome power. What else do you want?

        1. Ska   3 years ago

          A new season of Peaky Blinders.

          1. Uilleam   3 years ago

            Seconded.

            1. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

              With you. And the Last Kingdom too.

              1. Ska   3 years ago

                Uhtred son of Uhtred approves.

              2. Uilleam   3 years ago

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                2. R Mac   3 years ago

                  ^

          2. MK Ultra   3 years ago

            As soon as the Beeb finishes showing the season, it'll be on Netflix.

            If your nom-de-Reason is in reference to the genre of music, you might find this interesting. From the creator of "Peaky Blinders."

            https://britishperioddramas.com/news/steven-knight-early-1980s-two-tone-music-scene-drama-series/

            1. Ska   3 years ago

              It is - though I'm more into the original Jamaican artists. Still, I'm down with the Two-Tone and will definitely keep my eyes open for a series based on that scene.

          3. Nardz   3 years ago

            I'm still waiting on The Boys.
            Also Tribes of Europa was fun.

        2. JesseAz   3 years ago

          Their morality of course doesn't extend to China.

        3. CE   3 years ago

          A goodwill chess mission to Russia by Beth Harmon, if Russia agrees to replace Putin?

        4. Dillinger   3 years ago

          Nyetflix

          1. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

            ^Golf clap

      2. inoyu   3 years ago

        Putin is a bloody realist in the face of the completely insane western world. He has said that Russia has abundant energy because of Nuclear power and natural resources. When the west runs out of bluster and energy, the shoe will be on the other foot.
        He will say, "I told you so" as he has done many times. Unfortunately, it is against the universal social law to listen to him.

    3. Nardz   3 years ago

      Google has to censor Russian sources, because wouldn't want the peasants getting other perspectives.
      So much standing up for freedom!

    4. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

      Russia is getting deplatformed from the world.

      Aw, Jeez! Now all the Russia-loving Alt-Right Intellectual Dark Web crowd will be commiserating! Maybe offering themselves as martyr Putineers for Putin!

    5. Titus PUllo   3 years ago

      Can we cancel China too US corporate oligarchs?

      Time to end deficit spending, have the Fed stop monetizing the debt and engage only in Free Trade with China (that means neither side puts up tariffs, subsidizes their companies AND don't peg their currency to the others. Better yet settle trade in gold and not fiat currency. That would stop this "China has cheap labor" very quickly

    6. ricbee   3 years ago

      If not another dime drops into Russia,the Oligarchs and Putin still live like kings.Only the people suffer. Just like N Korea.

      1. Lord of Strazele   3 years ago

        The truth hurts.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Binance and Coinbase, the world's two largest cryptocurrency exchanges, have promised not to unilaterally ban all Russian users.

    OH OF COURSE BITCOINERS. THE FASCISTS.

    1. CE   3 years ago

      And totally not to cash in on the ruble panic.

  3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    All this righteous corporate posturing about Russia, and at least pretending to sever business relationships means little. Let's see how these same companies respond when China invades Taiwan.

    1. mad.casual   3 years ago

      Uh, excuse me, it will be totally different when the People's Republic Of China cracks down on dissidents in the Republic Of China. What we can be sure of is that then, whenever it happens, is not the time for commentary or rash action based on misunderstanding and misinformation. - Brought to you by our corporate sponsor...

      1. Not Robbers=Nut Rubbers   3 years ago

        There's only One China recognized by the US government so there's no need for Sleepy Joe to head back to Washington when the invasion comes. It's just a strong central government response to an insurrectionist province.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          I wonder if Harvard, when they limit admissions for Asian American students, have a way to filter out kids with Taiwan heritage or sympathies.

          1. Not Robbers=Nut Rubbers   3 years ago

            They added a question to the application for Asian students...if their favorite color is not red...you know they are running dog lackeys.

            1. ricbee   3 years ago

              I would not be surprised.

              1. kevrob   3 years ago

                All incoming students have to love Crimson.

      2. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

        Just quelling an insurrection. Taiwan's existence is the worst attack since the Chinese 9/11. It's like the Civil War plus 9/11 put together. Totally different.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          Also NBA and Disney and Apple and Amazon and...

      3. JimboJr   3 years ago

        This will be exactly the tone on the MSM. Guaranteed

    2. Claptrap   3 years ago

      Totally different. Ukraine is internationally recognized as a sovereign state. Taiwan is simply a self-governing province whose privilege of self determination can be revoked at any time.

    3. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      They all lined up to do business with an actual genocidal slave-holding state, knowing it was engaged in genocide, but Russian imperialism is a bridge too far.

      1. R Mac   3 years ago

        Normal parameters!

        1. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

          Adults recognize the difference immediately!

    4. CE   3 years ago

      China is hopefully considering that reaction right now. China has a lot more to lose by being cut off from the world economy than Russia does.

      Wars for territorial control and natural resources are a relic of the more barbaric 20th century. Success in the 21st century depends on the education and skill levels of your citizens, as well as the stability and integrity of your legal, financial and market systems.

      If destructive and deadly wars can be prevented by corporate posturing and disengagement with the offending nations, that's a very promising new development. (Of course any new power can and will be used hypocritically, and no doubt abused at some point.)

      1. Nardz   3 years ago

        China will takeover Taiwan w/o military invasion.
        It's a much, much, much tougher nut to crack through direct assault.

      2. MurphysLuck   3 years ago

        Right...and the Great War was the war to end all wars. Instead of utopian dreams I'm of the opinion this is going to end up badly for Ukraine and the global government/economy as whole. Instead of reforming Russia seems like the west is trying to choke them to death and that doesn't bode well as they are too big to fail. China will be the biggest winner in all of this.

    5. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

      However they react, it still wouldn't save them from nationalization. Maybe that's what it will take to see the light on Red China.

    6. Hank Phillips   3 years ago

      Taiwan has nuclear weapons, so that would be The Unparalleled Invasion. Taiwan used to be Formosa, the beautiful island where Portuguese and Dutch farmers planted poppies and coca. Prohibitionist arrogance versus European trader connivance killed roughly 25 million Chinese in the Opium Wars and religious Taeping Rebellion. What was left on the mainland degenerated into communist slavery and dreams of threatening Taiwan.

  4. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    The upcoming Batman film will not be released in Russia

    Thank God Russkies don't have access to bit torrenting.

    1. Hank Ferrous   3 years ago

      People still pay for movies? I can guarantee they don't in most of the rest of the non post-industrial world.

    2. CE   3 years ago

      and they won't even have to convert their rubles to Bitcoin, because they already have

  5. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

    .. send him legislation that lowers costs of everyday expenses working families face..

    Why didn’t they do this before? Absolute genius.

    FJB

    1. Not Robbers=Nut Rubbers   3 years ago

      Remember this when their "solution" is price controls rather than market-oriented fixes. There's no economic crisis the government won't use to increase meddling in the economy.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Get woke! Prices are just arbitrary numbers that evil corporations use to extort money from oppressed people. Its about time we used Democracy! to impose some economic equity.

        1. Not Robbers=Nut Rubbers   3 years ago

          Cynthia Nixon? Is that you?

  6. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Was life better before smartphones?

    The coming thermonuclear war will help us find out.

    1. Longtobefree   3 years ago

      Be safe and order three years of Daytimer now!

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

      I don't know if life was necessarily "better," but the release of the iPhone is definitely a technological watershed that marked the decline and eventual death of the internet as most of us remember it. Prior to it being released, you had to deliberately set time aside to get online and do stuff, so the internet was still relatively dominated by tech geeks, and interaction by normies was mostly limited to news and maybe a few niche blogs.

      Smartphones set off the explosion in social media, particularly utter toxic waste sites like Tumblr, that allowed people to basically be online all the fucking time. It's a Pavlovian device that encourages nonstop use, from it's constant "dings" for notifications to the sweeet dopamine hits from social media updoots. A lot of our current social dysfunction can be traced to the ubiquitousness of these things.

      The irony is that Steve Jobs just wanted an easier way for people to download stuff from iTunes and increase revenue in that area, and decided that integrating the phone, internet, and iPod in to one device was the best way to do that. I don't think he really expected people to be on the internet all the damn time posting shit on social media instead of buying songs from Apple.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        When smartphones were released, the whole concept of the internet as a free exchange of ideas and alternate perspectives outside the establishment had an expiration date, although we didn't realize it at the time. Something like that is just too easy of a target for authoritarians to exploit--they can not only track your every move, because it has a GPS, but it's even easier to justify spying on your browsing history for wrongthink.

        1. CE   3 years ago

          The smartphone is the greatest invention since the automobile.
          You just have to stay off anti-social media.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

            Sure, and I am, but my lack of participation is a drop of water taken out of the Pacific Ocean.

      2. Claptrap   3 years ago

        This is pretty much my take on it. We had smartphones before the iPhone, but with poor internet connectivity, low ease-of-use, and an immature (and pre-monopolistic) social media sector. Once all that changed, the things turned into catalysts for idiocracy.

    3. Hank Phillips   3 years ago

      Smartphones can be used as radiation meters. They are way better than the baked sheetrock and bits of tinfoil approach of the 1980s.

  7. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    President Joe Biden will deliver the State of the Union address tonight...

    The level of stimulants they're going to have to pump into him, it might be his final.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      It will be like nascar, just watch it waiting for a crash.

      1. Rich   3 years ago

        "We now go to the Progressive Response."

        1. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

          This was good enough to be its own comment.

        2. Quo Usque Tandem   3 years ago

          Brandon AND AOC? I can't even...

          1. mulched   3 years ago

            It's that ugly-ass Tlaib.

        3. JesseAz   3 years ago

          There are now 2 progressive responses to their own SOTU.

          It is hilarious.

          That big tent is collapsing quickly.

          1. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

            Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

            1. R Mac   3 years ago

              Lol, I just looked it up. Yep.

              https://news.yahoo.com/rep-rashida-tlaib-respond-bidens-113257860.html

              1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                And other one.

                https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2022/03/01/dallas-rep-colin-allred-to-give-congressional-black-caucus-response-to-bidens-state-of-the-union/

    2. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

      I'm sure he'll be napping all day to prepare.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        It makes the blood transfusions easier.

        1. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

          And the transfusions of Boost and Jello Pudding.

    3. Longtobefree   3 years ago

      As usual, the Bee has it covered - - - -

      https://babylonbee.com/news/state-of-the-union-will-just-be-90-minute-broadcast-of-dumpster-engulfed-in-flames

      1. The Encogitationer   3 years ago

        That could be the new 24/7/365 channel on Pluto.tv 🙂

        1. kevrob   3 years ago

          Reminded me of the WPIX--TV Yule Log.

          https://youtu.be/VEx4KMzPegc

    4. CE   3 years ago

      By next year they can go with Animatronic Joe. Robots like Ameca are already more lifelike:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzBUm31Vn3k

      And then when his term is over, they can just sell the android to Disney for their Hall of Presidents Minus One.

    5. Ronbback   3 years ago

      hopefully it will be the shortest to go with his short attention span

  8. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    President Biden will call on Congress to send him legislation that lowers costs of everyday expenses working families face and lowers the deficit by rewarding work, not wealth...

    So the price of the access Hunter's paintings buys is going down?

    1. mad.casual   3 years ago

      rewarding work

      He worked really hard on those paintings!

      1. HorseConch   3 years ago

        So, what he's saying is that he wants congress to introduce a bill that repeals anything he has done since he's been in office.

        1. Minadin   3 years ago

          Works for me, he's been in office since before I was born. Let's reset back to a 1970's era level of deficit spending and debt.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Thank god the government has the power to set prices.

      1. Not Robbers=Nut Rubbers   3 years ago

        They will after Congress passes price controls on all those pesky items like food and fuel. It's really too bad government doesn't have the power to make people produce products at a loss.

        1. Quo Usque Tandem   3 years ago

          Soviet style bread [and everything else] lines to follow; of course Comrade Sanders said those were good, "because it meant people were getting food."

          1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

            The lines will be longer because you have to stand 6 feet apart .

          2. R Mac   3 years ago

            Will you need photo ID to get your bread, or just a vax passport (with a photo ID to prove it’s you)?

            1. Moonrocks   3 years ago

              You will, but there's still the election line loophole. Just say that you're there to vote and they'll wave you through.

            2. CE   3 years ago

              If the line gets too long, their will be a COVID booster station mid-way, in case yours expires.

    3. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

      I've sold all my rubles and Canadian dollars to buy Hunter Biden NFTs.

  9. mad.casual   3 years ago

    Russia Is Getting Canceled

    Russia Russia? The landmass, the people, the language, the culture, all of it? Like 'Africa is getting canceled' or 'Mexico is getting canceled'? I mean, I'm all for cancelling shit holes but I know some people are averse to celebrating that sort of thing.

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

      Nobody cancelled Canada or Australia. Odd.

      1. Fat Mike's Drug Habit   3 years ago

        It's totally fine to conduct warfare against your own citizens, you're just not allowed to conduct warfare against other people's citizens.

        My citizens, my choice.

        1. Muzzled Woodchipper   3 years ago

          Especially when there’s clear evidence of White Supremacy™️ and documented violence, like with the truckers.

          1. Fat Mike's Drug Habit   3 years ago

            Right, in that case you're basically obligated to get violent or you're just as bad as the racists.

            1. Nardz   3 years ago

              ...uh oh

              https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1498535111482122245?t=WYpTZIlHAurIRGnJCvaAOw&s=19

              As US media celebrated average Ukrainian citizens taking up arms against Russian troops, the ultra-nationalist Azov Battalion's National Corps published a propaganda video of its fighters training and passing out arms to residents of Kharkiv, transforming them into combatants.

              From an FBI indictment of US white nationalists who trained with Azov/National Corps: "Azov...is known for its association with neo-Nazi ideology...[and] is believed to have participated in training and radicalizing US-based white supremacy organizations."

              [Link]

        2. mad.casual   3 years ago

          It's totally fine to conduct warfare against your own citizens, you're just not allowed to conduct warfare against other people's citizens.

          Are you saying the Russians living in the Ukraine aren't citizens because they live on the other side of an imaginary construct? 🙂

      2. Moonrocks   3 years ago

        That was the good kind of Aggression.

  10. Moonrocks   3 years ago

    Russian aggression

    Is this the new buzzword? I've seen it in like three Reason headlines so far.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Yup. The newest thing that Serious People can feel strongly against.

      1. Cronut   3 years ago

        They're selling I Stand With Ukraine masks on the internets, so Serious People can feel extra super good about themselves.

        1. Spiritus Mundi   3 years ago

          Capitalism!

    2. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

      An invasion to grab territory is pretty aggressive.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        That's what the Neanderthals said.

      2. Moonrocks   3 years ago

        Not aggressive, Aggression. When was the last time the entire institutional machinery called anything Aggression? It just seems bizarre.

        1. CE   3 years ago

          and descriptive.

        2. Zeb   3 years ago

          Seems like a reasonable word to use.

  11. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    That's an acknowledgment of domestic political reality.

    I think the acknowledgement of the domestic political reality was when they started sowing doubt in the upcoming midterms.

  12. Rich   3 years ago

    War always comes with collateral damage, of course, but steps should be taken to limit that fallout.

    Failing that, at least shelter from it. 8-(

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      And wear a mask.

      1. Quo Usque Tandem   3 years ago

        Well that is very important when you shelter; and don't let too many in because social distancing....don't want to catch a cold when you are trying escape radioactive fallout you know.

    2. Carl Cameron   3 years ago

      The Koch fortune is built on commerce with Stalin's Soviet Union and Hitler's Nazi Germany.

  13. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    A family that escaped Afghanistan in August is now caught up in the refugee crisis unfolding in Ukraine.

    They're moving to Taiwan next.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Is the family name Donner?

    2. Stolid Citizen   3 years ago

      So fucking clever/snarky/snide of you. Fuck off fake libertarian.

      1. Uilleam   3 years ago

        Dude relax. Its FOE making his rounds. The fact that he's still posting here after the great breakup is a blessing.

      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        Dilate more, shitlib.

      3. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

        That's what I was going for.

        1. Uilleam   3 years ago

          'golf clap'

      4. R Mac   3 years ago

        Hoes mad.

        1. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

          Kind of an odd one to get worked up over.

  14. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    "Make the State of the Union boring again."

    So the ladies shouldn't wear all white in solidarity with Tara Reade?

    1. Moonrocks   3 years ago

      Make the State of the Union boring again

      We can't worry about the state of our union, there's a war on!

  15. Rich   3 years ago

    I used to get lost all the time. I'd ask for directions

    "Oh, you're WAYYYYY off!" (Props to Roney Dangerfield.)

    1. Rich   3 years ago

      *Rodney*

      *** gets coffee ***

    2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

      Real men don't ask for directions. We die in the woods.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Actual real men know what they are doing and where they are going. Modern neutered real men posers try to act like actual real men and die in the woods.

        1. Claptrap   3 years ago

          Orienteering is a dying skill. I doubt I could even compensate for magnetic north anymore.

          1. Longtobefree   3 years ago

            It will be noted in the margin of a decent map.

          2. CE   3 years ago

            And you can't even call it that any more.

            1. Pepin the short   3 years ago

              Terrain feature navigation FTW.

        2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

          That explains why you're dead and being eaten by coyotes.

          1. JesseAz   3 years ago

            Didn't you say you were too scared and incompetent to carry a weapon when decrying how awful it was Rittenhouse wasn't guilty of murder?

          2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

            Hey troll. You missed a post.

            Here.

            https://reason.com/2022/03/01/russia-is-getting-canceled/?comments=true#comment-9380720

            And there's five posts of mine on this thread that you haven't shit on.

            https://reason.com/2022/03/01/why-cant-we-build-anything/?comments=true#comments

            Get busy troll. You're slacking.

            1. R Mac   3 years ago

              Poor sarc.

            2. JesseAz   3 years ago

              Lol. You're sad. And pathetic.

              Want me to link the Rittenhouse post?

        3. JesseAz   3 years ago

          Needs more bear selfies.

    3. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

      "Turn left where the old schoolhouse USED to be"

      (also Rodney Dangerfield)

      1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   3 years ago

        I learned to travel by asking if my target was in a specific direction, because I could differentiate yes and a finger pointing elsewhere, while "past the schoolhouse and turn left at the bridge" was too many possibly unfamiliar words.

    4. Roberta   3 years ago

      "I was a little off. We're not on Route 35. We're on Jackrabbit Road. And we're not in Pennsylvania, we're in West Virginia"

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76aw4DTusNo&t=186s

      followed by

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeEFsMpJcmI

      ...when they finally get there, very late.

  16. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

    "Periodic reminder that nationalism is collectivist and gross"

    Ugh. For sure. Totally gross.

    Know what's not gross? Analyzing the war in Ukraine in terms of its potential to create refugees who might end up in the US where they can provide cost-effective labor for Charles Koch, the billionaire who funds Reason.com.

    #CheapLaborAboveAll

    1. Moonrocks   3 years ago

      I thought Ukrainian nationalism was suddenly good. Did that change since last night?

      1. mad.casual   3 years ago

        Nationalism bad. Collectivism bad. Ukraine good. Russia Bad. BOWF SIDEZ!

  17. Weigel's Cock Ring   3 years ago

    Only approximately 12 hours remain until Sleepy Joseph Brandon Robinette Biden Jr. finally reveals himself to the world as the second coming manifestation of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, lifts his arms, utters a divine incantation, and performs the miracle whereby he eliminates the Covid 19 plague from existence and ends the global pandemic in an instant.

    This is certainly going to be his most incredible accomplishment since he resurrected himself, moved aside the stone, and exited his own tomb roughly 2,000 years ago.

    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      and performs the miracle whereby he eliminates the Covid 19 plague from existence and ends the global pandemic in an instant

      Uncle Joe's so amazing.

    2. CE   3 years ago

      I bet the mask comes off, dramatically. But probably no hat top to Trump for expediting the vaccines.

  18. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    This is all nationalism has ever been: Using people as political pawns, cannon fodder, and buffers.

    What if your national identity is being pawns?

    1. mad.casual   3 years ago

      [sic] political buffers

      I identify as pH ~7.4, to be sure.

      1. Quo Usque Tandem   3 years ago

        So you're neutral about most everything?

        1. Minadin   3 years ago

          Seems a little bit basic to me.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Battered Nation Syndrome.

    3. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      This is all nationalism has ever been: Using people as political pawns, cannon fodder, and buffers.

      This is all globalism has been so far. Using people as political pawns, cannon fodder, and buffers while ushering in a new age of imperialism under globohomo.

      The system nationalism replaced wasn't better and concentrated rule over hugely diverse populations in the hands of a few imperial elites. And reviving this system is what the globalists are struggling for and it will be even more destructive than nationalism.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

        How dare you. Everyone knows the Great Reset will empower the individual.

  19. Rich   3 years ago

    "Make the State of the Union boring again."

    Require the President to handwrite a letter to Congress from time to time. Use pens made from pardoned-turkey feathers.

    1. Longtobefree   3 years ago

      And sustainably sourced ink?

      1. CE   3 years ago

        Or written in their own blood, to incentivize keeping it short.

        1. perlhaqr   3 years ago

          I think you're onto something here. Only we extend it to Congress, and mandate that every bill up for a vote has to be written out, longhand, in their own blood, with a quill pen, in at least a 12 point font, by the primary sponsor. Alone.

          I bet they'd get shorter quickly.

  20. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Remote work is proving to be more persistent than expected.

    We can't have the economy completely shut down again for the next pandemic.

  21. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Don't forget to wear your mask and maintain social distancing while huddling in your nuclear fallout shelter.

    And for fuck sake, recycle your MRE packages.

    1. Rich   3 years ago

      And remember: "If it's yellow, let it mellow."

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        True eco-warriors drink their pee.

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          So does Kevin Costner.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

            See, those Hollywood types sure know how to Science!

    2. raspberrydinners   3 years ago

      You might need to get a job.

      JFC, who has the time to shit post on here like you do. At this point like 90% of the posts on this are all you.

      Get a life man.

      1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

        FoE has been first on the Mourning Lynx for at least a decade. Don't spit in his milk.

      2. mad.casual   3 years ago

        JFC, who has the time to shit post on here like you do. At this point like 90% of the posts on this are all you.

        Oooh! Somebody's jealous!

      3. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

        No employer would allow me divert from my work the substantial amount of brainpower I obviously use crafting my comments for those 20 minutes a day.

        1. Cronut   3 years ago

          Raspberry has never had an employer, or a job, so it wouldn't understand.

      4. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        Raspberries hasn't heard of smartphones and apparently is sitting on his computer to post.

        1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

          +1 dial up modem.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

            At the library.

            1. R Mac   3 years ago

              Where else do you want homeless people to spend their day?

              1. Trigger Warning   3 years ago

                That made me think of J sub D for some weird reason. Poor guy.

                1. perlhaqr   3 years ago

                  What happened?

      5. Agammamon   3 years ago

        And yet you came here and posted this.

      6. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        It's fucking delightful how ass-blasted you are at a long-time poster who primarily just puts up a bunch of jokes in the morning.

        The fact that you and White Mike both dislike him confirms his status as one of the best posters here.

        1. R Mac   3 years ago

          The fact that Dee doesn’t understand what Fist is doing confirms he’s autistic.

    3. Cronut   3 years ago

      It's a good thing I got those 4 tests in the mail. I'm set for the apocalypse now.

  22. Sevo   3 years ago

    "Climate change is progressing faster than expected, threatening human health"
    [...]
    "The environmental and societal impacts of climate change are progressing more rapidly than previously expected, nearing limits to what society can feasibly adapt to, according to a recent report..."
    https://www.healio.com/news/primary-care/20220228/climate-change-is-progressing-faster-than-expected-threatening-human-health

    And yet, not a single one of the predictions of doom has been shown to be anywhere close to reality...

    1. mad.casual   3 years ago

      In apparent violation of Paris Accord, Russia rapidly accelerates local climate change in the Ukraine in excess of the limits that humans can adapt to.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      When will they get to being alive as a risk to human health? Don't we have enough data yet to prove that every living person will almost certainly die?

    3. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      Is there anything that ClimateChange™ cant do?

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Like god, it is so powerful it can't undo itself.

        1. Longtobefree   3 years ago

          And yet, the simple act of becoming socialist will hold it at bay.

      2. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

        It may be strong enough to end a war - or begin one.

    4. CE   3 years ago

      And it's happening much faster than they predicted 20 years ago.
      But don't go back and check what was actually predicted 20 years ago, please.

  23. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

    Ukraine is not America's fight

    Let's remember this as we think about Russia and Ukraine. There is no vital US national interest at stake. Friends back their friends; America has NATO's back. But this is a European problem that Europeans need to take the lead on solving.

    America should not send weapons to Ukraine. America should send their weapons to NATO allies, who can then decide what to do.

    One day, the fighting will be over. America should retain the ability to influence events the day after vis a vis the Russians. Russia will respect America for not directly sending weapons to Ukraine. This is an important distinction that seems to be lost.

    Also, I am 100% convinced that the American people are being deliberately manipulated into trying to make Ukraine's dispute with Russia an American dispute with Russia. Just look at what the MSM, politicians and 'elites' are all saying. We are being pushed to get more involved and make Ukraine America's fight. NFW.

    America has to prepare for a much more important looming conflict: Taiwan.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Taiwan? The elites and corporations will have a very different set of messages about Taiwan.

    2. Cronut   3 years ago

      The American people are being deliberately manipulated into making the Ukraine problem a US problem because it's politically better for Biden to have people focuses on Ukraine and RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA, rather than the crippling inflation at home, or the couple thousand trucks on their way to DC to protest, or talking about what happened in Canada, or paying attention to what's going on with mask mandates and covid "science," or the countless other things Biden has fucked up. The Biden administration is a complete failure on every level, and focusing on Ukraine and RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA lets them off the hook on it for at least as long as it continues.

      1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

        Yup. Now when there's escalating costs and supply shortages and an energy crisis, he can just say, "It's Russia's fault!" People were starting to catch on when he said the same thing about COVID.

        1. Cronut   3 years ago

          He fucked up the energy issue so bad, he even said it in his speech on Ukraine: "Standing up for freedom has a cost."

          They have no intention of backing away from their disasterous and ruinous GND bullshit, and the Ukrainian invasion and any subsequent energy issues- including out of control costs- will be billed as "the cost of defending democracy."

          These people are truly and deeply evil. I have no doubt the US will continue to meddle in this mess, just to keep it simmering as long as they can in order to benefit from it as much as possible.

        2. Lord of Strazele   3 years ago

          Some of it is Putin's fault. The oil price is manipulated by a cartel and dictators. It's not a free market. These groups are fucking you and you dont seem to understand that.

    3. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      "Also, I am 100% convinced that the American people are being deliberately manipulated into trying to make Ukraine's dispute with Russia an American dispute with Russia."

      This.
      We've been all saying for months now that the Democratic Party desperately wanted conflict with Russia so that it could survive or postpone midterms.

      1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

        And to post-hoc justify their TDS. The aggressive Russians have been trying to destroy America all along and now they're doing it! We have to stop them on behalf of Democracy!

    4. Sevo   3 years ago

      "Let's remember this as we think about Russia and Ukraine. There is no vital US national interest at stake. Friends back their friends; America has NATO's back. But this is a European problem that Europeans need to take the lead on solving."

      Let's further remember that the US is but a peripheral and recent agent in what is and has been an extremely long history of issues between what is now Russia and Ukraine:

      1. Sevo   3 years ago

        Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK-yJD_fAtk

        1. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

          You and I agree, Sevo. Ukraine is really a European problem. It is their backyard. And Ukraine is a poster child for 'erstwhile ally'.

  24. Sevo   3 years ago

    "Many Capitol riot cases could hinge on 1st trial’s outcome"
    [...]
    "The Justice Department launched one of the largest and most complex criminal investigations in its history after a mob of Donald Trump supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol over a year ago. Now it’s time for a jury to hear some of the government’s evidence about the unparalleled attack on American democracy.
    The first trial for one of the hundreds of Capitol riot prosecutions began this week, with jury selection starting Monday for the case against Guy Wesley Reffitt. The Texas man is charged with bringing a gun onto Capitol grounds, interfering with police officers guarding the building, and threatening his teenage children if they reported him to authorities..."
    https://www.capitalgazette.com/news/nation-world/ct-aud-nw-capitol-riot-trials-20220228-fgkwfsd5qfasndkas3hhziw4cu-story.html

    They're also eyeing charges of late library book return and creating a nuisance. Really serious stuff here; how long has he been incarcerated?

    1. mad.casual   3 years ago

      -Presented with a range of new security options in the wake of the attack, Speaker Martin remained careful to balance safety with public access to the House of Representatives. “We did indeed tighten up the security arrangements a good deal,” the Speaker observed. “Nevertheless I rejected the most ambitious proposal, one that called for installation of bullet-proof glass around the front of the galleries. For one thing, I was advised that the weight of this glass would be too great for the galleries to support. For another, I felt that, danger or not, Americans do not want their Congress walled off from the people by glass.”
      -All five injured Members recovered from their wounds and returned to their House service. Congressman Bentley, the most seriously injured, continued serving in the House until 1961. Representatives Davis, Jensen, and Roberts served for a decade before leaving the House in 1965. Of the group, Representative Fallon remained the longest, serving until 1971 and chairing the Committee on Public Works.
      -Page Bill Emerson later served as a congressional aide before winning election to the U.S. House as a Republican from Missouri in 1980; he served from 1981 until his death in 1996. Page Paul Kanjorski was elected to the U.S. House as a Democrat from Pennsylvania in 1984 and served from 1985 to 2011.
      -The four Puerto Rican nationalists—Lebron, Miranda, Cordero, and Rodriguez—were indicted, tried, and convicted in federal court for their actions. They received sentences ranging from 16 to 75 years in federal prison. More than two decades later, President Jimmy Carter granted clemency to the shooters.

      Carter's fault, as usual.

    2. Stuck in California   3 years ago

      >and creating a nuisance

      Well, at least everyone else on the Group W bench won't have to move away from him while they figure out if he's rehabilitated himself.

  25. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    Periodic reminder that nationalism is collectivist and gross

    Periodic reminder that globalism is imperialist and tyrannical.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      If there was only some other option besides nationalism and globalism.

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        I'm actually a localist, but I still think nationalism is 1000 times better than global imperialism.

    2. Nardz   3 years ago

      And waaaaaaay more collectivist

  26. Sevo   3 years ago

    Nardz has competition for idiot of the week:
    "S.F. teachers union official sparks controversy by sharing a social media post blaming the U.S. for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine"
    [...]
    "“While we do not support the Russian invasion, we reserve our strongest condemnation for the U.S. government, which rejected Russia’s legitimate security concerns in the region, with total intransigence that they knew could provoke such a war,” read the post by Leela Anand of the U.S. Party for Socialism and Liberation..."
    https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/S-F-teachers-union-defends-VP-who-shared-post-16958208.php?cmpid=gsa-sfgate-result

    1. mad.casual   3 years ago

      Nardz aside, I won't hold my breath waiting for the "Libertarian Socialists Embrace Putin" article from Reason.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Thank god for the teachers, and their efforts to prove that despite some recent statements from the mayor, and regressive results from recall election, SFC is still a national center of retarded leftist insanity.

    3. Nardz   3 years ago

      It's fun watching sqrlvo work himself into a stroke

    4. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      Sevo versus Nardz.

      Now I guess sarcasmic's gay fanfic about the two of you will never come true.
      https://reason.com/2021/10/03/how-the-cdc-became-americas-landlord/#comment-9138013

      Poor sarcasmic.

  27. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

    Was life better before smartphones?

    Yes. I read this article a couple years ago. I thought it was pretty interesting.
    https://www.nationalaffairs.com/publications/detail/the-erosion-of-deep-literacy

    1. Cronut   3 years ago

      Great article. There are certainly some things that are easier and more convenient due to smart phones, and there is some benefit to having a tiny computer in your pocket that can deliver the collected knowledge of the entire world on demand, wherever you are. But none of that information means anything if you can't read and synthesize it.

      I especially liked this point:

      "And many, particularly those who have never inculcated the discipline that comes with a serious education, have become, as Senator Ben Sasse puts it, 'addicted to distraction.'"

      I don't think technology is bad in itself. I think the lack of serious education among modern people, coupled with the endless stream of bread and circus available on the internet, leads to terrible outcomes.

      1. Longtobefree   3 years ago

        My son always describe (smart) phones this way;
        "I have in my pocket a device that can connect me to almost anyone in the world, and also give me nearly instant access to all the knowledge of mankind. I use it to trade snarky comments with complete strangers, and look at funny pictures of cats.

        1. Cronut   3 years ago

          We have infinite knowledge in our pockets and the magic of instantaneous, face to face communications with anyone on earth, and the best we can come up with is Tik Tok.

          1. Nardz   3 years ago

            This is why we must throw more money at "education"!

            1. Cronut   3 years ago

              Literacy is racist.

              1. Nardz   3 years ago

                Damnit!

      2. CE   3 years ago

        If you're looking to Senator Sasse for guidance, you're looking the wrong way.

  28. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

    Russia may have committed a war crime by using a so-called vacuum bomb in Ukraine.

    According to the article, they hit a military base with it, so I'm guessing no. We've used thermobaric weapons from Vietnam to Afghanistan (remember the MOAB). They're not banned under international law.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Does a vacuum bomb clean up after itself?

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Not if its a guy vacuum bomb.

      2. Agammamon   3 years ago

        The Russians use cheap vacuum bombs that spew out nearly as much dust as they vacuum up so when you're done things are as dirty as before - the dirt is just spread out more evenly.

        I don't wanna pimp Chinese stuff but Shark vacuum bombs are the shit.

        1. Moonrocks   3 years ago

          Sharknado bombs?

        2. Cronut   3 years ago

          Dyson vacuum bombs are way overrated. Shark can do the same thing at half the price.

      3. Longtobefree   3 years ago

        They did, but they are not solar powered, so that function was disabled.

    2. Kevin Smith   3 years ago

      Yeah but we call them fuel-air bombs, and that sounds waayyy less menacing than "vacuum bomb," so its OK when we do it

    3. DRM   3 years ago

      Yeah. The use of any weapon "could constitute a war crime" if used on civilian populations, but there's nothing especially illegal about bombs that use air as their primary oxidizer.

      That The Usual Idiots™ often run around screaming their heads off about fuel-air explosives, cluster munitions, white phosphorous, land mines, depleted uranium, or the like doesn't actually make the use of any of them war crimes, or even particularly notable compared to other weapons of war.

  29. Ragnarredbeard   3 years ago

    Counterpoint: life was pretty good before smartphones.

    - no texts
    - no/few spam phone calls
    - no idiots walking into shit because they were starting at their phone
    - no idiots driving recklessly because they were texting or talking on the phone
    - no artificial brain attached to my hand meant I had to actually know how to do stuff like add 2+2

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      No mean tweets.

    2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      - no idiots driving recklessly because they were texting or talking on the phone

      ?!!

      If only. More like driving 10mph under the speed limit, not going when the light goes green and leaving 7 car lengths between cars at the light which causes me major problems with the light cycle is short.

      1. Nardz   3 years ago

        ^

        Though some of us developed the skill to text w/o looking because there was a numeric keypad. Can't do that with smartphones.

        666-44-0-9-33-555-555

    3. Cronut   3 years ago

      Nobody talking on their cell phones while ordering coffee at Dunkin Donuts. That is the rudest thing on earth. I miss manners.

    4. Kevin Smith   3 years ago

      -less communication
      -they'd just call your home phone during dinner
      -idiots still walked into shit because they were looking at something else, like reading a newspaper
      -idiots still drove recklessly because they were distracted by something else, like reading a newspaper (yes, people did this while driving)
      -the average person was never able to do stuff like add 2+2 in the first place

      1. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

        -less communication And less tracking. Kids in particular were far more free range. There was the occasional phone booth if you absolutely, positively had to make that call.
        -they'd just call your home phone during dinnerBut the Paleolithic phones DID have a ringer shut off.
        -idiots still walked into shit because they were looking at something else, like reading a newspaperMaybe, once in a blue, blue moon. Nothing like the distractions of today.
        -idiots still drove recklessly because they were distracted by something else, like reading a newspaper (yes, people did this while driving)See above. Sipping coffee. Never saw too many readers driving. People could wait to get the news. The instantaneous need to know was not even close to today.
        -the average person was never able to do stuff like add 2+2 in the first placeProbably right there. haha

    5. CE   3 years ago

      1. We had pagers.
      2. We had more spam phone calls, and had to answer them instead of just ignoring them to voice mail.
      3. Who cares?
      4. Plenty of idiots drove recklessly then too.
      5. True.

    6. EISTAU Gree-Vance   3 years ago

      2+2=5. Duh.

      Don’t need no smartphone for that.

    7. perlhaqr   3 years ago

      Man, the distracted driving thing is real. While I'll admit that there's almost certainly a factor of my being less of an idiotic young male than I was 25 years ago as part of it, but riding a motorcycle on the street these days is fucking scary as hell. People didn't pay attention to motorcycles before they were rolling around staring at their phones. Now it's insane.

  30. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

    Thankfully, some companies that may help ordinary Russians survive what is likely to be a devastating economic collapse are refusing the join the parade. Binance and Coinbase, the world's two largest cryptocurrency exchanges, have promised not to unilaterally ban all Russian users.

    In a statement to Vice, Coinbase said it would work to block "accounts and transactions" linked to targets of sanctions but would allow other Russians to use the service.

    The fact that this even COULD be a thing tells you that crypto is not the panacea people make it out to be.

    1. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

      Not your keys, not your coins. This is the crypto equivalent of going after banks (but the banks will roll over 100%).

      As we've seen with covid, threatening to revoke businesses licenses is how we do things these days.

  31. Sevo   3 years ago

    "...Even FIFA, the hideously corrupt international body that governs global soccer and organizes the World Cup, is taking action against Russia..."

    What's the IOC, chopped liver?

    1. Dillinger   3 years ago

      Michel Platini has his own wing in the Corruption Hall of Fame.

  32. Ken Shultz   3 years ago

    I think it's true that we're basically looking at cancel culture here against Putin, but I think it's largely consumer driven. Companies are afraid of consumers associating them with support for Putin and his war like they're afraid of being associated with racism, homophobia, etc. To that extent, it's like cancel culture.

    However, I see two important differences:

    1) This cancel culture reaction is genuinely a reflection of consumer opinion rather than the righteous indignation of a few thousand Twitter trolls.

    The thousands of people who were trying to silence Joe Rogan were not representative of the opinions of average Americans--even if they didn't approve of his speech.

    2) Trying to silence Americans for exercising their freedom of speech and trying to avoid supporting companies that profit from Putin's war are two very different motivations.

    Saying something racist, homophobic, etc. may be awful, but silencing people for saying something like that really isn't on the same level as killing hundreds or thousands of mothers and their children for refusing to lick your boot. Words can be hurtful, but they're not tanks and missiles.

    1. Sevo   3 years ago

      "...The thousands of people who were trying to silence Joe Rogan were not representative of the opinions of average Americans--even if they didn't approve of his speech..."

      This became obvious when the site said 'bu-bye' to Young and kept Rogan; the owners want to make money.

      1. Ken Shultz   3 years ago

        Exactly!

        Average Americans don't like racism, but . . . it's not like Joe Rogan ordered the use of cluster bombs on civilian targets.

    2. Nardz   3 years ago

      "I think it's true that we're basically looking at cancel culture here against Putin, but I think it's largely consumer driven"

      L
      O
      L

    3. CE   3 years ago

      Not just consumers, but their own employees.

  33. Dillinger   3 years ago

    >> It's popular to condemn technology for all manner of psychological and social ills,

    alternatively, stop being such a pussy.

  34. Ken Shultz   3 years ago

    British Petroleum and Shell are selling their oil business in Russia short, but look at it from their perspective.

    I've read that the reason that long Russian armor convoy has barely moved for a day or two is because they're out of fuel.

    If you're BP or Shell, why do you want to be part of Russia's solution to that problem?

    When the armor on its way to slaughter the good people of Kyiv got bogged down for lack of fuel, BP and Shell were there to help?

    They've already got the climate activists working to destroy their whole business. Just when you didn't think they become any more villainous, they're also behind fueling Putin's war machine?

    They didn't sign up for that.

    There are a thousand companies with exposure like that. IF IF IF and when China invades Taiwan, we'll see the same thing happen.

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      I've read that the reason that long Russian armor convoy has barely moved for a day or two is because they're out of fuel.

      I find that very hard to believe.

      I've stayed mostly quiet on this who Russia Ukraine thing, but this is the strangest war I think I've ever seen in my lifetime.

      Here's the front page, above-the-fold story in my local daily:

      ‘We’ve been here before’: Fatal shooting underscores longtime problems at Seattle’s Third and Pine

      If this were a Russian Blitzkrieg, with dive bombers taking out bridges, rolling over towns with tanks and laying siege to major cities, I think that the news would just look different.

      Bottom line, I suspect that column isn't moving because Putin doesn't want it to move.

      1. Sevo   3 years ago

        Check this, 2:53 time stamp:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-g1s1K_FCE
        The commentary not a lot earlier mentions that the Russian logistical support is very poor, perhaps because Putin hoped for a rapid capitulation?

        1. Dillinger   3 years ago

          lol the dummy didn't send enough supplies for a week?

          1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

            Couldn’t afford them.

          2. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

            Russia has been the beneficiary of such mistakes by invaders, but a less than a week logistic breakdown is awful planning if that is what is happening.

            1. Dillinger   3 years ago

              what's Russian for "hey guys, I have a quick job for you. shouldn't take two days ..."

            2. markm23   3 years ago

              Napoleon and Hitler's staff were both prepared for a campaign of several months, but not for one that lasted into winter; their main mistake was a failure to appreciate how long it took for troops to march to Moscow when they had to fight battles along the way. (The German army in 1941 was just as limited to the speed of marching troops and horse-drawn wagons as Napoleon's in 1812. They had a veneer of Panzer tanks and motorized infantry that could range far ahead until they ran into prepared positions, but most of the troops still walked for lack of trucks, and most of their supplies and artillery were still pulled by horses.)

              But if Putin's army is truly having supply problems after only two days, that's total incompetence.

        2. JesseAz   3 years ago

          Mike needs a transcription of this video so he can learn from it.

      2. Ken Shultz   3 years ago

        I have no inside knowledge. I'm just putting the available data together and speculating about reasonable explanations.

        That tank column has only moved a few miles in a few days. There's an explanation for that. One of the possibilities is that they're having problems fueling their vehicles. This is a common problem with armor divisions--going back to World War II. The logistics of keeping a huge armor division fueled and your supply lines open is typically a big problem. Meanwhile, I'm also reading reports that Russian soldiers are hungry and looking for food--also indicative of supply line problems.

        And then I read reports like this about this video (which I've watched online):

        "A Ukrainian man has filmed himself offering to tow an enemy tank back to Russia, after spotting the assault vehicle having apparently ground to a halt in the middle of a motorway.

        "The latest in a series of viral clips of Ukrainians bravely confronting Russian troops shows the driver pulling up alongside the motionless military vehicle, and asking several soldiers from his open window whether they have broken down.

        "Upon being told that they have run out of fuel, the driver prompts laughter from the soldiers as he asks: “Can I tow you back to Russia?”

        "According to translations on social media, he then tells the soldiers they are en route to Kyiv after they fail to tell him where they are supposed to be going.

        "Asked by the soldiers for news on the invasion, he tells them that Ukraine is winning the war while Moscow’s troops are good at surrendering because “they also do not know where they are going”. {Ken: LOL}

        "As a parting shot, the Ukrainian claims to have asked “the whole column” of Russian vehicles advancing towards the capital but that “no one knows where they are and where they are going”. The footage shows him driving past yet another stationary tank within 30 seconds.

        https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-man-offers-tow-enemy-173243562.html

        1. Ken Shultz   3 years ago

          I also read that the amphibious troops that invaded from the coast asked the locals for directions.

          We may be seeing life imitating Ayn Rand. Is it hard to believe that the Russian military's logistics are run by incompetent cronies who are really only there for the corruption?

          Shouldn't that be expected?

          The Grozny strategy, where you just send the incompetents in and blow the whole city to rubble may be the only strategy a incompetently run army can execute? Order them to just blow shit up? They can do that--if you can get them ammunition and fuel.

          1. CE   3 years ago

            These are supposed to be the elite special forces going first, for reconnaissance and to take out key military targets. And they are getting obliterated.

        2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

          I did watch Sevo's video and I don't dismiss it out of hand. There may be something to this. Let me be the first to admit that I'd be shocked if Russia's logistics were so bad they couldn't keep a small tank column moving for more than two days inside a tiny European country with modern highways.

          If that's the case, then Komrade Kruschev needs to step into the General's office, slap a pistol down on the table and tell him that he'll have to either explain his failures to the boss or Option B: avoid the red tape altogether.

          My general feeling is that Putin had no plans to "crush" the Ukraine militarily. I have suspected his goal was to move his military into Ukraine with a show of military force and through sheer intimidation cause some kind of brokered deal where Russia would get to annex some portion of Eastern Ukraine and it would all be over by Christmas.

          1. Ken Shultz   3 years ago

            This is just another piece of the puzzle, which may turn out to be false.

            "The Russian advance on Kyiv has "stalled" amid food and fuel shortages, Ukrainian resistance and slower-than-expected troop movement toward the capital, a senior U.S. defense official told reporters on Tuesday. The Russians "are regrouping and trying to adjust to the challenges they have had," the official said.

            ----The Wall Street Journal, 36 minutes ago

            https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/russia-ukraine-latest-news-2022-03-01/card/russian-advance-on-kyiv-stalled-u-s-says-BBsVR5ATba81sDftETfj

          2. Claptrap   3 years ago

            I'm in general agreement, though I think he was really hoping for a quick capture of Kiev, the downfall of the current government, and a snap election to install a pliable dictator on the backs of repatriated eastern votes.

            The ideal scenario here isn't Crimea or Chechnya, it's Belarus.

          3. Ken Shultz   3 years ago

            In regards to their strategy, I posted this in another thread:

            "The initial assault resulted in considerable Russian casualties and demoralization in the Russian forces. It took another two months of heavy fighting, and a change in tactics, before the Russian Army was able to capture Grozny. The battle caused enormous destruction and casualties amongst the civilian population and saw the heaviest bombing campaign in Europe since the end of World War II.

            ----Battle of Grozny (1994–1995)

            That what the Russians did in a similar situation, and that's what they seem to be doing now.

            They turned Grozny to rubble, and that may be what they do to Kyiv. When the finesse game fails due to logistics, you send in the Hanson brothers and just tell them to blow shit up.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUbn5ss8j9c

            1. Ken Shultz   3 years ago

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grozny_(1994%E2%80%931995)

      3. CE   3 years ago

        Maybe he doesn't want to lose another 150 or so tanks. For decades Western Europe feared a Soviet armored invasion. Now the tanks are rolling deathtraps and hard for a Javelin to miss.

      4. Ronbback   3 years ago

        the column may be a rues and full of empty trucks to convince everyone things are going to get worse so surrender. it wouldn't be the first time such action was taken. the allies used blow up tanks during WWII to convince the Nazi's where we were going to go.

        Can't play it safe though gotta treat it as the threat it is

      5. perlhaqr   3 years ago

        I admit, I find it utterly baffling that they might legitimately not have brought enough logistical tail. Putin would have to have known this would not go over well on the international stage. There is no way they didn't plan this out well. Or somebody has fucked up really badly. Or hell, maybe some Ukrainian managed a really lucky shot on a supply depot somewhere?

    2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      And here's the editorial:

      Peace for Ukraine will take sacrifices by Americans

      Why does this particular geopolitical conflict keep causing our elite institutions to warn us that "this one's going to hurt". I don't recall that in previous foreign entanglements. Why, it's almost like the elite media sees this as an opportunity to gaslight us on the causes of our economic pain.

      *waves watch in front of eyes*

      That pain you're feeling? That pain you've been feeling for the last two years? That's because of the conflict in the Ukraine and the sanctions that we had to impose upon Russia.

      Sanctions in Russia...

      Yesss, sanctions in Russia. That's why you're unemployed!

      Sanctions in Russia.

      That's right, sanctions in Russia!

      1. Moonrocks   3 years ago

        If that's the play, then wouldn't a Ukrainian victory be just as bad as a Russian one?

    3. Agammamon   3 years ago

      BP isn't actually selling anything, yet.

      They've dropped a coue board seats from the Russian state oil company, that's it - so far.

      This *is* something you'd in prep for selling - but it could just as easily be for headlines while they outwait the news cycle and then continue on as before.

      1. Ronbback   3 years ago

        Even if they bail out now they will probably buy back in the near future at even lower rates ending up with a bigger portion

  35. Agammamon   3 years ago

    There is no such thing as a vacuum bomb. This comes from a misunderstanding of how thermobaric weapons work.

    And using them is not a war crime - or else the US was guilty of numerous war crimes for using them against Taliban cave complexes.

    1. ThomasD   3 years ago

      Yeah, same goes for cluster munitions. It's not the weapon that's the crime but what you use it against.

      Vacuum bomb is a stupid term. All explosions create some overpressure, magnitudes of difference is somewhat hard to convey.

    2. mad.casual   3 years ago

      the US was guilty of numerous war crimes for using them against Taliban cave complexes.

      Yup. Depending on the stupendously loose definition of vacuum bomb or thermobaric weapon, virtually every conflict for about the last 50 yrs. has been guilty on both sides. RPGs and concussion grenades (as distinct from flash bangs) constitute thermobaric explosives. The US certainly used the MOAB in Afghanistan and the distinction between a clusterbomb and a daisy cutter is a semantic in search of an argument to be made.

      1. Agammamon   3 years ago

        No they do not.

        Thermobaric weapons are weapons where the fuel uses atmospheric oxygen - hence you get a much bigger bang for the amount of fuel your weapon is carrying.

        Conventional explosive carry their oxidizer and are self-contained.

        1. mad.casual   3 years ago

          Not all RPGs and concussion grenades constitute them, but they do constitute them.

        2. mad.casual   3 years ago

          Another thermobaric weapon which is not a thermobaric or vacuum bomb:
          https://twitter.com/fpleitgenCNN/status/1497519335350452231

          Not enough wrinkles? How about Tomahawk missiles? Definitively not, right? The actual answer is "Well, it may depend on the range."

  36. Agammamon   3 years ago

    " Periodic reminder that nationalism is collectivist and gross"

    Then why the opposition to the Russian invasion? If nations mean nothing, nationalism is gross, and borders are a violation of human rights then by your own standards this isn't an invasion of a sovereign nation but simply removing an unethical border whose existence violates human rights.

    It's ok to us violence to do that, right?

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      " Periodic reminder that nationalism is collectivist and gross"

      That statement alone is so profoundly ignorant I'm not even sure where to start with it. It's the kind of shit that gets uttered by a Jr. High kid who thinks xe's smarter than anyone else in the room.

      1. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

        It is the kind of utopian sentiment that gets libertarians dismissed as hopelessly unrealistic and unserious.

        1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

          And profoundly ignorant of not only human nature but the very things that hold us together to actually keep us from constantly being at each other's throats.

          "Oh, if only these social constructs would go away and we all just got together man in a huge international community without flags or borders or national politics, it would truly be The End of History, maaaan."

          1. ThomasD   3 years ago

            "... profoundly ignorant of not only human nature ..."

            That's the fissure that reveals modern libertarianism for what it has always been - a stalking horse for the left.

            We already had a well defined concept called liberty and it's avatar was classical liberalism. There was no need to invent something different.

            Unless something different is what you really wanted.

            1. mad.casual   3 years ago

              We already had a well defined concept called liberty and it's avatar was classical liberalism. There was no need to invent something different.

              Slight disagreement. Classical liberalism was co-opted by the same libertines and bleeding heart liberals. Agreed that libertarianism was no bulwark against further colonization.

          2. mad.casual   3 years ago

            "Oh, if only these social constructs would go away and we all just got together man in a huge international community without flags or borders or national politics, it would truly be The End of History, maaaan."

            Unless pornographers and white supremacists (or far flung adjacents) turned up there, then we'd need the government to grant special protections.

        2. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

          Yeah, but Reason should be more thoughtful than that. Boehm is just an unserious child.

          1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

            When you're a supposedly grown-assed adult and you're referring to geopolitical situations as 'gross' and not in a way that suggests size or scope but instead to relay "ickyness"... it's not a good look.

      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        Especially considering that nationalism is what's motivating Ukrainians to fight back so hard to begin with.

        This is just an infantile take that could only be birthed on Twitter.

  37. Agammamon   3 years ago

    If Bitcoin exchanges can stop specific people from using them, that puts paid to Reason's insistence that crypto is a way to escape state control through decentralized finance.

    We're back to the exact same situation here except the building with your 'money' doesn't say 'bank' on it.

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      ONly the very question I've been asking for years here regarding bitcoin and crypto in general.

    2. Moonrocks   3 years ago

      The exchanges don't own the bitcoin. This goes back to the Build Your Own X argument, but it's literally just that. Foreign banks can make Russian citizens' money disappear, bitcoin exchanges can only make them use a different ATM to withdraw it.

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

        It doesn't change the fact that if bitcoin exchanges are to be successful and 'widely used' that major centralized corporations will naturally form which will handle large amounts of traffic for a global population.

        1. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

          Exchanges don't need to be successful and widely used, though. Bitcoin worked just fine before Coinbase and it will work long after they are gone.

          1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

            I don't pretend to be an expert on Bitcoin, but if what you're saying is true, why do we need Coinbase? It sounds like Coinbase (or any exchange as a business model) is a terrible investment.

            1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

              And by "investment" i mean "business model"

            2. CE   3 years ago

              Coinbase is a way for mainstream investors to participate in Bitcoin price moves without being involved in the messy amateur hour Bitcoin economy, where whole exchanges get hacked and you're out of luck if you forget your password. It's more like a regular bank or brokerage account (but with much higher fees), with all the advantages and disadvantages that brings.

          2. Agammamon   3 years ago

            They do if you want to be able to use crypto with extremely long transaction times - especially if the crypto price is volatile - in order to conduct business on a personal scale.

            KFC is not going to wait 2+ hours for your transaction to clear

            1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

              This is all beginning to feel like that middling Ben Affleck movie where he's a gangster building a casino in the south during the 1930s. He goes into talk to one of the local power brokers who dismisses him and explains that there are more powerful people he's going to have to contend with. Affleck immediately shoots him in the head and says, "Then why the fuck am I talking to you?" (or some such similar collection of words and syllables.

              Point being, if the exchanges are irrelevant to the bitcoin process, then why the fuck do we care if xxxxBase decides to stop doing business with ___________ because they're being Icky and Gross? Why are they even a business model if we don't need them?

      2. Nardz   3 years ago

        Is it true that like 99% of bitcoins are held by 10% of bitcoin holders?
        I've seen the figure thrown out there, but no idea if it's true.

      3. mad.casual   3 years ago

        The exchanges don't own the bitcoin.

        They do, depending on the exchange, own the wallet.

        bitcoin exchanges can only make them use a different ATM to withdraw it.

        Or, by virtue of wallet ownership, make them use no ATM to withdraw it. Seriously, it's not like it's a hypothetical for an exchange to collapse or close down and the owners make off with some or all of the coins. This, or variations of it, have been implemented repeatedly since Mt. Gox, arguably the first BTC exchange, certainly a known flaw since the "Paleolithic Era" of crypto.

        I've been pointing this out since the early days of crypto. If the Fed's control of printing presses and banks (distribution) makes that currency fiat, then the FCC's control of networks and bandwidth makes any currency reliant on network infrastructure the same. Even if they aren't explicitly meddling in it via that end.

  38. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

    Yes, Boehm, foreign policy is icky and unpleasant. It is not necessarily "nationalism" except where practiced by nation states. It is also something that is unavoidable. It has been going on since the Egyptians and the Hittites clashed. Your disgust at it is not going change it. A state is collective organization, but you need such an organization to protect your rights and liberties, and your state must needs deal with other states. It can be ugly, but you do not have the option for the type of purity that will make you happy.

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      But we could achieve The End of History if we become the internationalist globalist village!

      1. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

        Singing Lennon's "Imagine"...oh, wait, that is a terrible song.

        1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

          More like Lenin's "Imagine".

  39. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

    Days since enbs last yglasias reffrence :12

  40. Dillinger   3 years ago

    >>Remote work is proving to be more persistent than expected.

    the office is a dinosaur I'm enjoying its quickened death. fluorescent lamps are Satan's opiate.

  41. Longtobefree   3 years ago

    Basement Bunker Biden doesn't need congress to "send him legislation that lowers costs of everyday expenses working families face", he caused it by executive order, he can reverse it in 30 minutes all by himself.
    Restore oil leases, authorize an AMERICAN pipeline.
    Science.

    1. Cronut   3 years ago

      The science is settled. Pipelines cause climate change.

      Higher fuel costs are the cost of defending the planet. Sure, lots of people will suffer and some may die, but that's a sacrifice Grandpa Joe is willing to make to defend the planet.

      1. Longtobefree   3 years ago

        If he is so sure he is right, why does he stick up a fence every time someone says something mean in Twitter?

        "Mr. Biden, tear down this wall!"

  42. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/CityBureaucrat/status/1498502612982845445?t=TIFo4XNKBPuNfHEJId7Wvg&s=19

    The warm desert of the Ukraine winter
    [Video]

  43. CE   3 years ago

    "President Biden will call on Congress to send him legislation that lowers costs of everyday expenses working families face and lowers the deficit by rewarding work, not wealth,"

    I gave up spittin' tobaccy recently, so I'm not directly affected by the transitory supply chain induced inflation, but this sounds an awful low like price controls and tax hikes, rather than a promise to cut spending and stop making the national debt problem even worse.

  44. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/JesseKellyShow/status/1498460355755790337?t=pGqjKfn3IXJk3wn71HaYMw&s=19

    We’re so screwed.
    [Link]

    1. Cronut   3 years ago

      America voted for nicer tweets. And they got it, good and hard.

      1. Longtobefree   3 years ago

        Some of us voted for a good economy, fewer federal regulations, and more freedom.
        We got Biden instead.

  45. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/SohrabAhmari/status/1498479885861507077?t=xdelxoj5Jv6H94DsW0C4jQ&s=19

    As you grapple with the media barrage on Ukraine, here are some info traps to watch out for:

    Beware emotionally charged images that overwhelm reason.

    Beware the treatment of dissent as treason.

    Beware delusions of our total mastery over complex crises.

    [Link]

  46. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/SouthAsiaIndex/status/1498607419387445249?t=CqwBImEVdnVlHr1rphU-Tg&s=19

    Just In: Russia to invite Pakistan, China, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, India, Ethiopia & other countries in "Anti Fascist Conference."

    ■ Grand Conference aims at combating fascism, to be held in Moscow in coming months.

    1. CE   3 years ago

      I noticed that India didn't vote against Russia at the UN either.

  47. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/The_Real_Fly/status/1498587916360163328?t=zQtK5WH22FEDmdvPQqV2iw&s=19

    US calls for Russian athletes to be thrown out of Winter Paralympics in Beijing

    You read that right

  48. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/Brick_Suit/status/1498452421512626176?t=5J7bLZXL5oAt55l-fdpw8g&s=19

    UKRAINE MEME THREAD...
    Drop what you got here. Any meme you've got that relates to Russia vs. Ukraine regardless of who it favors.

    War memes are hell!

  49. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/NoahCarl90/status/1498599452101287943?t=I73ndf2DihT_7EMDjQ817A&s=19

    Why hasn't Saudi Arabia been sanctioned for its bombing campaign in Yemen? According to Wikipedia, more than 12,000 civilians have been killed to date.

  50. Ken Shultz   3 years ago

    I just watched Boris Johnson respond to a question about establishing a no-fly zone over Ukraine with an answer about how 1) that would entail direct conflict between NATO and Russia and 2) A no-fly zone isn't seriously being considered by any NATO member.

    Good answer!

  51. Union of Concerned Socks   3 years ago

    If I were in charge of a 40-mile military column advancing toward an enemy city...

    And it was brought to my attention that aerial overhead pictures of my assets and movements were being circulated all over the world in near-real time...

    I might get a little concerned about my air cover.

    Fuck Russia, fuck Putin, fuck every single Russian oligarch and every single member of Russian government who enabled this lunatic.

    The Russian people are being fed a shit sandwich (meet the new boss, same as the old boss), and 145 million people who surely just wanted to get on with their lives are going to suffer terribly. If I was one of them, I might just get a little upset.

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      And it was brought to my attention that aerial overhead pictures of my assets and movements were being circulated all over the world in near-real time...

      There's something to be said about a crushing military invasion where local Tik Toker's are able to still send cute videos with sparkly backgrounds.

      I don't know exactly what is to be said, but there is definitely SOMETHING to be said.

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

        Like any other Gen-Z gym rat in 2021, Andriy Kurilenko used TikTok to record his workouts, amplifying his MMA training sessions with distorted chopped-and-slopped Ukrainian rap featuring bass so loud it vibrates your iPhone. His feed was all punching-bag practice, sweaty mirror selfies replete with bulging biceps, shameless thirst traps for his followers.

        Toward the end of January, Kurilenko’s TikToks changed. The tight-fitting workout shirts were gone, replaced with a bulletproof vest and a black skully cap. His demeanor hadn’t changed, but there was a rifle strapped to his chest. With the shift in content came a bigger audience. His videos now receive millions of views.

        Kurilenko has been in Ukraine’s armed forces for three years, he said via DM with help from Google Translate, since he was 19. What does he think of his newfound popularity? “I don’t care. It’s just a video,” he says. To him, the gym videos and shots of his unit out on patrol are the same thing. “I’m shooting my life at work,” he says. “I just shoot motivational videos of my daily life.”

        TikTok’s mind-reading algorithm nearly predicts what you want to watch before you watch it. It serves you a stream of videos it hopes you like and then observes how you respond, whether they’re of gross kitchen concoctions or endless versions of smartly dressed Gen-Zers rotely dancing to Nelly Furtado’s Say It Right. Now the algorithm is trying out something new on many of us. The cute animal videos, self-recorded teen breakdowns, Karens acting up at the local grocery store, and Euphoria reviews are joined by a novel variety of programming: scenes from a sudden war. Call it the birth of WarTok.

        Let me know when "WarTok" looks a little more like this.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

          TikTok’s mind-reading algorithm nearly predicts what you want to watch before you watch it.

          One of the no-kidding freakiest social media incidents I had was back when I was still on Facebook. I developed a sudden craving for Triscuit crackers while internet browsing, and then when I opened up Facebook a few seconds later, saw an ad for Triscuit crackers.

          I hadn't searched for Triscuit crackers in Google, I hadn't said a word out loud, just thought internally, "Gee, a few Triscuits for a snack sounds pretty good right now!"

          I'm sure it was a coincidence, but at the time it was pretty creepy and was one of the reasons I finally deleted my account there a few months later.

    2. Nardz   3 years ago

      On the "news"

      "US officials say there's no sign Russia has achieved air superiority yet."
      15 seconds later...
      "Here's a 40 mile long convoy of Russian equipment on the road to Keev"

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

        Kiev --> Kyiv --> ??

        Hey, media, what's the capitol of Russia?

        Moscow.

        Bzzzt. Wrong.

        Hey media, what's the capitol of the Czech Republic.

        Prague.

        Bzzzt. Wrong.

        Hey media, what the capitol of ___________?

        1. Ken Shultz   3 years ago

          Incidentally, Austria is spelled "Österreich", and Vienna, is spelled "Wien", and Munich is spelled "München".

          The English names for these places were determined hundreds of years ago, and there's no good reason to change them. When Mexicans are talking about New York in Spanish, they talk about "Nueva York", and it would asinine to insist they use English names for places when they're speaking Spanish.

          Incidentally, if you want to have fun with progressive Mexicans, who insist on referring to San Diego as "Santiago", when you hear them say it, inform them that San Diego wasn't named for St. James. They think we're ignorant. Say, "Don't you know anything about Spanish colonial history?!"

          1. Stuck in California   3 years ago

            Who refers to San Diego as Santiago? I've literally never heard that.

            San Diego was named after San Diego De Alcala -- the catholic Saint Didacus. Spanish name of a Spanish saint applied to the area by a Spaniard. In Spanish.

      2. Longtobefree   3 years ago

        On the other hand, to be sure, Russia may not have air superiority over Ukraine, and still be able to defend a convoy outside Ukraine.

    3. Ronbback   3 years ago

      I'm amazed that Ukraine hasn't sent aircraft over that column to shoot it up, do they not have that capability, did Obama make them give up war planes?

      1. Nardz   3 years ago

        Their airfields were bombed to shit and their Jets shot down.

  52. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

    "World War 3 is Really Stressing Me Out," Woman tells Girlfriends over brunch.

  53. Ken Shultz   3 years ago

    "WASHINGTON — Plagued by poor morale as well as fuel and food shortages, some Russian troops in Ukraine have surrendered en masse or sabotaged their own vehicles to avoid fighting, a senior Pentagon official said on Tuesday.

    "Some entire Russian units have laid down their arms without a fight after confronting surprisingly stiff Ukrainian defense, the official said. A significant number of the Russian troops are young conscripts who are poorly trained and ill-prepared for the all-out assault. And in some cases, Russian troops have deliberately punched holes in their vehicles’ gas tanks, presumably to avoid combat, the official said."

    https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/03/01/world/ukraine-russia-war#some-russian-troops-are-surrendering-or-sabotaging-vehicles-rather-than-fight-a-pentagon-official-says

    I wonder what they're doing with the POWs. I wonder if they still want to go back to Russia. They'd probably face a court martial and maybe shot for desertion. I'd love to see some interviews with captured POWs, although it may be against international law to use them for propaganda purposes that way.

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      It's becoming increasingly difficult to parse what's real from what's overhype by the media.

      Here's Kim Iversen (feat. Reason's own Robert Soave) on how much fake video, and in some circumstances literal video game footage is being used by outlets to describe a violent situation on the ground.

      I'm really too lazy (and too busy with RL) to post it, but I had a long post prepared about how this is the ONE area where our [much hated-- and with good reason] corporate news is supposed to shine, and they're failing miserably. The advantage of corporate news is they ostensibly have bureaus in all the world's largest cities who can then dispatch correspondents on the ground so we can get a birds-eye view of what's going on. This is the one area where we should be getting either live or nearly live footage of actions on the ground, instead they're using file-footage from chemical explosions in China, old photos of other conflicts from 2015, stock photos from 2019 and in the most egregious of cases, fucking video game footage as what I can best guess is 'placeholder' video which is to help the viewer 'visualize' what it might be like if 'x conflict expands considerably'.

      This is one area where it's extremely important to not go into full-conspiracy theory mode, but our corporate media is failing us so spectacularly, it beggars belief as to what the real situation is on the ground.

      1. Union of Concerned Socks   3 years ago

        ONE area where our [much hated-- and with good reason] corporate news is supposed to shine

        They shine in one area and one area only: selling ads.

      2. Ken Shultz   3 years ago

        Well, like I said above, the best we can do is look at multiple sources to explain the facts we can verify.

        The fact is that there is a huge column of armor that didn't move for days.

        How to explain it is the question.

        I saw video of a guy rolling up to a tank, and the tanks explaining that the reason they weren't moving was because they were out of gas. He then rolled by another tank that wasn't moving.

        That's a fact that doesn't depend on any news agency.

        I'm hearing from the Pentagon, that the Russians are having problems because they're short on fuel.

        Maybe they're lying! They lied about mobile WMD labs in Iraq, too. I'm not saying it's a convincing fact, but it's another piece of evidence that the armor is having trouble with fuel--coming from a different source.

        Because it isn't conclusive evidence, doesn't mean it isn't evidence.

        Another fact is that keeping armor fueled in hostile territory has historically been a logistical problem with armored vehicles since World War II. Even the generals of the ancient world were worried about maintaining their supply lines in hostile territory.

        It also accounts for the fact that time is of the essence for Putin. He wants this to end quickly, so it's unlikely that he'd tell his armor to take their time until they're ready.

        We shouldn't stop considering other explanations, but I'm willing to go so far as to say this is the most likely explanation. The explanation that seems to be most consistent with the facts that aren't relying on someone's interpretation appears to be that the Russians are having trouble keeping their tanks fueled.

        If the Pentagon came out and said that wasn't the explanation at this point, I might have cause to be skeptical because it doesn't jibe with the other facts.

        That doesn't mean this is the truth, but it may reasonably be the best interpretation we have given the information we have available. That's how science works, too. We can only form hypotheses based on the information we have available, and when new facts come in that conflict with that hypothesis, we'll need to adjust or reject the current consensus.

        1. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

          The problem is: We don't have enough information to formulate a good hypothesis. Few really know WTF is going on in Ukraine, and those who do know are not sharing their information.

          I know this: I do not believe a damned thing the MSM reports
          And this: I do not believe a damned thing politicians say
          And this: Ukraine is not America's fight

          Keep a very healthy and active skepticism.

          1. Ken Shultz   3 years ago

            We do have enough information to form a hypothesis. Because we don't know the absolute truth doesn't mean we can't make rational conclusions from the available data. Science work the same way. If new data becomes available tomorrow showing that the sun really does orbit the earth, then we'll need to thrown heliocentric theory out the window. Until then, the available evidence seems to suggest that the Russians are having a hard time keeping their tanks full of fuel.

            "Originally, fallibilism is the philosophical principle that propositions concerning empirical knowledge can be accepted even though they cannot be proven with certainty, or in short, that no beliefs are certain . . . . Nowadays, theorists may also refer to fallibilism as the notion that empirical knowledge might turn out to be false."

            ----Fallibilism

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallibilism

            One of the important implications is that the things that are most likely to be true are the things that survive the most scrutiny. The theory that the Russians are having a hard time fueling their armor has survived a lot of scrutiny so far. In science, it's the idea that because of the fundamental problem of science, you can never be sure of what new information will become available in the future, and that means your hypotheses are never set in stone. If new data comes in tomorrow that disproves your current hypothesis, you need to abandon it.

            We can form rational hypotheses despite the uncertainty, but the science is never settled. In fact, uncertainty is always a problem. Some things have a much lower degree of uncertainty (heliocentric theory) and some a much higher degree of uncertainty (why the tanks aren't moving), but because a hypothesis is uncertain is no reason not to hold it to be true pending further evidence to the contrary. Given the available information, all I'm saying is that the explanation that is consistent with the evidence so far appears to be the one about the Russians having problems keeping their armor fueled--not that this is the absolute truth.

            1. Nardz   3 years ago

              The invasion is going so poorly for Russia that Ukrainians are desperately begging for the world to come save them or millions will die...

    2. Fat Mike's Drug Habit   3 years ago

      I wonder if Putin will re-implement the WW2 tactic of shooting deserters on the spot. A few loyal guys at the back with rifles keeps everyone moving forward, at least in theory.

      1. Hank Phillips   3 years ago

        Who is Herschel Feivel Grynszpan?

  54. Nardz   3 years ago

    Thread

    https://twitter.com/MorlockP/status/1498653353886289923?t=adwLkJ5-7BvHfFIH5r2e0w&s=19

    1/
    I am very much against the Russian invasion of the Ukraine.
    I am also horrified by the unanimity in opposition to it.
    I've been getting more and more upset about very quick preference cascades, whether they're for things I like, or for things I dislike.

    >>>
    2/
    Fast cascades do not indicate to me that people are grappling with issues and slowly reaching consensus - they indicate a purely social, not intellectual, process where people are snapping-to-grid.
    Conformity propagates outwards through the game-of-life grid.
    Zombies.

    3/
    I am also very much against the SWIFT delisting of Russia, and the seizure of foreign exchange reserves.
    Why?
    Kegan 4 level thinking.
    (a) I want PROCESS with rules, deliberation, and appeals, not mob rule
    (b) I prefer a diversity of geopolitical regimes over a monoculture

    4/
    (c) incentives and second order effects. After this is over, what do Russia, China, Iran, etc. do? Stay on SWIFT? Or make some competitor? Does the dollar stay the world reserve currency?

    5/
    (d) You get to use a doomsday weapon against a zero-day vulnerability just once, and then it gets patched.
    [ overlaps w previous point 'c' ]
    ...so is THIS the event that we want to blow the SWIFT weapon on ?

    6/
    Finally, I hate the baby steps that the entire West is making towards social credit scores.
    Moldbug, in his leaving-Tlon essay talked about how property is inviolable and does not depend on the merit of the holder - because if it can be redistributed based on merit >>>

    7/
    ...then it's not property.
    ...and as we have seen in the PRC w social credit scores, in Canada w the freezing of accounts that [ legally ] donated to a [ legal ] protest group, and now at the international level, the Cathedral HATES property-qua-property BECAUSE veto-proof.

    10/
    ...Bill Clinton's reaction to the 1995 Quebec referendum, where he weighed in and said that if Quebec voted for secession, the resulting state would not be party to NAFTA.

    11/
    It was very clearly an attempt to interfere with foreign politics (someone alert Hillary Clinton; I know she HATES this sort of thing) and at the time I was mystified ... WHY did Bill care if there was 1 Canada or 2 Canadas?
    I had already been a libertarian for years but

    12/
    ...I grew even more cynical at that moment (which is saying something - this is just after I'd watched Bill Clinton and Janet Reno burn women and children to death at Waco live on TV bc they'd embarrassed the BATF's "Operation Showtime" designed to justify higher budgets).

    13/
    So anyway, I realized then that the elite class (a) have sort of a teleological world view where civilization means that everything becomes more and more centralized, and local independence / freedom upsets this vision of the anointed (b) they share class interest >

    14/
    and it was likely physically painful for Bill Clinton to contemplate a member of his fellow elite having half of his serfs stripped away from him.

    15/
    How I want Canada to deal with malcontents: hold elections; see who wants to stay and who wants to leave.
    How I want Ukraine to deal with malcontents: hold elections; see who wants to stay and who wants to leave.
    >>>

    16/
    How I want the US to deal with malcontents: hold elections; see who wants to stay and who wants to leave.

    17/
    "@hippokleides
    In a few short days, we've moved from pundits mournfully intoning platitudes about the terrible return of war to Europe (completely ignoring the 90s, of course) to shrieking for a great power war and explaining nukes aren't that big a deal anyway.
    This is political psychosis."
    [Links]

    18/

    "by right of conquest" is descriptive, not prescriptive ; it explains what HAS happened and not (a) what should happen; (b) the various things that might happen
    Is/ought
    "“By right of conquest” is a thing.
    A bad thing, but still a thing."

  55. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    Regardless of whether Putin takes none, some, or all of Ukraine, his failure to secure a quick win has “accidentally revitalized the West’s liberal order.”
    That would be more meaningful if the West’s leadership weren’t almost entirely useless, stupid, corrupt, or all three — but leaders can be replaced.
    - Stephen Greene

    Accidentally my eye. This is exactly what the Western leaders wanted a war for.

  56. Ken Shultz   3 years ago

    On February 17, one U.S. dollar would buy you about 75 rubles.

    Right now, one U.S. dollar will buy you about 117 rubles.

    https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=RUB

    Am I not reading this right?

    117 - 75 = 42

    42/75 = .56

    That's a 56% drop in the value of a ruble!

    Don't let anybody tell you we aren't doing anything for the Ukrainians.

    1. Ken Shultz   3 years ago

      Maybe that's 42/117 for a 36% drop.

      Anyway, . . .

      1. Union of Concerned Socks   3 years ago

        Upside down; use dollars per ruble:

        1/75 = 0.013333 USD/RUB on 17 Feb
        1/117 = 0.008547 USD/RUB on 1 Mar

        (0.008547 - 0.013333) / 0.013333 = -0.35897
        or 36% decline

        1. Ken Shultz   3 years ago

          Yeah, that's what I realized.

          So, anyway, We've cut the value of the ruble by 36%.

          Don't let anyone tell you we aren't doing anything for the Ukrainians.

          1. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

            Did that make life harder for the average 'Ivan on the street'? I tend to doubt it, Ken. It has been six days since Russia invaded.

            Ukraine needs ammo, bro....Where and when is Europe providing it?

            1. Ken Shultz   3 years ago

              That's already arrived. It came on the ground from Poland.

              The average Ivan in the street is pulling so much money out of their banks, that the central bank had to raise interest rates to 20% to entice them to stay put. The reason the Central Bank raised the interest rate to 20% was because they had to--or make the banks fail for a lack of deposits because the average Ivan on the street is taking his money out. They didn't want to do that.

              The currency has lost 36% of its value in the international market, and that won't promote more exports under these circumstances. Inflation is going up, and their stock market will fall dramatically when it opens judging by the indexes trading in the U.S.--as I linked below. Always trust the market data to tell the real story instead of the news, and the market data is telling us that over the next one to two quarters, the Russian economy will be under tremendous pressure. If GDP dropped by 5% in the U.S., we'd have riots like we had in the summer of 2020.

              Yeah, I think the average Russian will feel it. But I think the Russian oligarchs will feel it the most. Their assets are being frozen [seized] left and right. The owner of Chelsea FC stepped away from the club for fear that the British government would seize it. They're taking everything that isn't in Russia. It's open season. These governments will be seizing all the money they can find and taking it for a 100% discount. I think the coup is more likely than the revolution, and Putin has cost the oligarchs hundreds of billions of dollars at this point.

      2. Longtobefree   3 years ago

        Math is racist

  57. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/JordanSchachtel/status/1498686072661975040?t=BkGl_r6PaxNEVEAD83As7w&s=19

    Zelensky seems to have two options: negotiate terms with Russia or see his already poor country absolutely decimated by war.

    No one is coming to save Ukraine.

    Western leaders have made it clear that option B is their preferred choice.

    Make a deal & live to fight another day.

    It's easy for us to continue to tell Kiev to fight to the very last man. It's much more humble and realistic to observe the actual situation on the ground. This is a chess match that Ukraine is losing, and it's better to take an unsavory deal & regroup than to lose everything.

    Delusional is believing that Ukraine will defeat a military that has already surrounded them, with assets deployed directly in front of them, as Ukraine begs the West for help that is not coming.

    They're giving Ukraine false hope, which is not helpful to Ukraine, but it serves powerful interests in the western world, so they continue to entertain the delusions.

    1. Nardz   3 years ago

      https://twitter.com/JordanSchachtel/status/1498719500799295493?t=UmZsRyTgxyxDekHHVZ7_9Q&s=19

      You have to wonder if Zelensky's hands are tied by more powerful interests. Very possible that negotiating a deal with Russia is not allowed.

      1. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

        Which leader did Ukraine buy? That is the question MSM is pointedly not asking.

  58. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1498697404501180418?t=XZXq8bzzP5P4uKTQS3Qv9w&s=19

    What an odd little map the NYT has created. Ukrainians fleeing violence by heading to the west are "refugees," while Ukrainians fleeing violence by heading east to seek refuge in Russia are just "migrants" (and are graphically minimized to the point of being barely visible).
    [Graphic]

  59. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/TheDigitalBers1/status/1498696655004049409?t=w5EHgmd6umGvJwKF_yWv3Q&s=19

    Pfizer vaccine data. Of particular interest is page 30.

    You’re welcome.

    [Link]

  60. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/TheMarcitect/status/1498668458766131201?t=DfEG3xrMtovWaybjuzcL7Q&s=19

    It looks like we are going to have to go through whatever they have planned before we can get out. They aren't stopping for anything. There are to many people that have bought into it.

  61. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/rcbregman/status/1498673316315467795?t=a9kClOcUrpDpPrVj_raRdw&s=19

    Short ???? on my feelings of deep unease about the current atmosphere, and the dizzying speed with which radical conclusions are being drawn. People who couldn’t find Ukraine on a map a week ago, are calling for a no fly-zone. 1/9
    People who had never heard of SWIFT a week ago, now want even more banks to be kicked off it. People who don't really know what the current sanctions are, and what their effects will be, are calling for more sanctions. More, more, more. 2/9
    People who've been never been excited about military spending, and have always scoffed at the crazy amounts of money the US spends on its army, are now very excited about the German promise to spend an extra $100 billion. 3/9
    People who used to be almost pacifists now want to supply more weapons to Ukraine. Javelins! Stingers! Fighter jets! Don't hesitate, don't delay, it's now or never! It's the whole world against Russia! 4/9
    People who have no clue about the European energy system (and just how dependent we are on natural gas) are shouting that we should just boycot all Russian gas, 'double down on renewables', without any idea of the radical consequences. 5/9
    So many pundits seem exhilarated by this moment, and how it proves everything they've been saying for years ('now more than ever!') – without worrying about how our actions could be counter-productive and contribute to an escalatory spiral. 6/9
    In the words of Dutch historian Jolle Demmers: 'It is precisely the decline and contraction of Russian power, coupled with the possession of nuclear weapons and a tormented repressive president, that poses great risks.' [Link]
    Or like @robertwiblin said: 'If what you do gets three billion people killed it doesn't matter that the cause you were fighting for was just.'
    It almost seems as if we've forgotten nuclear weapons still exist. Even a small chance of nuclear conflict is completely terrifying. 8/9
    After the election of Trump, @mashagessen counseled us to 'Believe the autocrat' ([link]). I think that's especially important when the autocrat is threatening to use his nuclear weapons. 9/9

    1. NOYB2   3 years ago

      Progressives don't mind mass murder, war, or genocide if it is for a cause they believe in. It's always the same.

  62. Enjoy Every Sandwich   3 years ago

    Sting is going to be on tour this year. I wonder if he's still doing that song about how the Russians love their children too, or if everybody is just pretending he never sang it.

    1. Enjoy Every Sandwich   3 years ago

      Or if The Rolling Stones still sing "My Sweet Neocon".

    2. Ken Shultz   3 years ago

      Yeah, that song didn't age well.

    3. mad.casual   3 years ago

      "Play 'Back In The USSR'!"

      1. Dillinger   3 years ago

        please, no.

        1. mad.casual   3 years ago

          Fine.
          "Play 'From Russia With Love'!"

  63. Think It Through   3 years ago

    "I'd ask for directions, look for landmarks, fold maps, carry a guidebook, and keep an atlas in the glove compartment. I never knew when the next train was coming. I waited around a lot.
    I memorized phone numbers, jotted things down in notebooks, had conversations with taxi drivers, talked to random people at bars, wrote checks, went to the bank, and daydreamed. I was grossly inefficient and terribly bored. I rarely got what I wanted and, when I did, I had to wait at least 8-10 days for it to be delivered. I was not archived, nor was I searchable; things I said just disappeared forever."

    You mean, you used to interact with actual humans, in real time in the real world, instead of putting your nose in a screen?

    Is this supposed to be an awful list, or a great list? Most seem pretty great to me.

  64. Ken Shultz   3 years ago

    In other market news, because the Russian markets are closed for trading, we don't get any headlines about them falling. Judging by the Russian index funds that are trading in the U.S., it's gonna be a bloodbath.

    ERUS was at $29.83 on February 23. It's now at $12.50.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/ERUS?

    1. NOYB2   3 years ago

      The stock market ceased to be a meaningful indicator of the economy many, many decades ago.

      US stock markets should probably also fall by 70-80% to get anywhere near the actual value of those assets.

  65. Liborio   3 years ago

    Ever heard of "Liberty Cabbage"? This isn't new.

    1. Ken Shultz   3 years ago

      Freedom fries!

  66. Roberta   3 years ago

    More fuel-air explosives, for peaceful purposes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X2RkSGMa6Q

    1. Roberta   3 years ago

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBOCdEtOGCI for a barrage of them. We call them in fireworks lampares. A low explosive flash charge spreads and ignites a liquid or powdered fuel that mixes with the air. Bright flash, usually an infrared pulse you can feel, big honkin' kaboom and shock wave, and usually black smoke.

  67. TangoDelta   3 years ago

    "I'd ask for directions,... had conversations with taxi drivers, talked to random people at bars..."

    OMG! He actually talked directly to other humans! Odd he complains about being social in person when "social media" is all the rage albeit not actually social, especially twitter which is more a bitch-fest, accusatory, cluster-fuck.

    "I was not archived, nor was I searchable; things I said just disappeared forever."

    Sometimes that's a better option as it likely may be in this case. I guess it's all about getting likes from people who have no lives that you don't give a shit about than actually saying anything that has actual meaning.

    1. TangoDelta   3 years ago

      Oh, no doubt if he loses his phone he'll likely revert to being as precocious as a newborn marsupial unable to find his way out of the pouch.

  68. NOYB2   3 years ago

    "Companies are basically saying, 'We don't want to be part of this,'"

    I suspect what companies are really saying is "we're afraid that if we deal with Russia, regulators are going to come down like a ton of bricks on us".

    It may seem appealing in the short term that institutions can beat Russia into the ground, but the same techniques can be used to beat down anybody or anything who dares to challenge Western elites. And let's be clear here: it is Western elites who are ultimately responsible for this war; Putin is a ruthless dictator, but he is predictable and he simply did what he said what he was going to do. It was arrogant and incompetent people like Stoltenberg who caused this.

    Hopefully, the lesson from this won't be that countries and institutions cower in fear before the might of SWIFT and Maersk, but rather that countries around the world create many different alternatives so that people and countries can't simply be deplatformed, memory holed, or wiped from existence at the push of a button.

  69. Hank Phillips   3 years ago

    We yawn at Dems and Gee-Oh-Pee attacking each other, just not with tanks. But this is too much like Germany's Adolf Putin invading Czechoslovakia 83 years ago. Where are the intelligent Russian military men to shoot or blow up the KGB madman? German military personnel at least tried to decapitate National Socialism. It was the least they could do after letting the berserker run amok in the first place!

  70. mad.casual   3 years ago

    The groundwork for this was carefully established during the Trump administration.

    Before he even announced his candidacy. "Fuck the EU." - Nuland-Pyatt

  71. Sevo   3 years ago

    Duh! We all know that strawmen fear when GG's handing out bullshit.
    Fuck off.

  72. CE   3 years ago

    Ordering your gunmen to attack and kill people and destroy things is pretty much the definition of evil. It's not necessarily a sign of insanity.

    I'm not sure which is worse, the Biden Admin and Europe not knowing that pushing NATO membership for Ukraine would be considered a provocation by Russia, or knowing that it would and hoping Putin would respond as he has, so they could cut off Russia economically and try to encourage the Russian people to overthrow Putin, at the cost of the safety of the Ukrainian people.

  73. Sevo   3 years ago

    Asshole now tries more bullshit.
    Fuck off.

  74. mad.casual   3 years ago

    And the funny part is people are walking around going "Putin is crazy because the thinks the CIA has 500,000 agents fomenting dissent in the Ukraine." much the same way it was said Trump was crazy for thinking the FBI was wiretapping him. Not to defend Putin too vociferously but there's paranoia, there's people out to get you, then there are Americans repeatedly impeaching their own President because they think you're out to get them.

  75. Nardz   3 years ago

    It's quite stunning.

  76. Nardz   3 years ago

    I mean, just look at some of the posts in this thread.
    Relaying msm US intel "assessments" of the way the war is going, and taking it as the 100% accurate truth... as if those exact same sources haven't spent the last 5 years lying big about pretty much everything.
    It's weird.

  77. Uilleam   3 years ago

    Stop fighting you two.

  78. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    ^This.

    Sevo, Nardz and Geiger, save your ire for the liars and trolls. Debate each other properly because I know you both reached your differing positions honestly.

    You're not like Shrike posting Soros.org talking points, or sarcasmic regurgitating shit he heard on CNN.

  79. Ken Shultz   3 years ago

    I think this may be more complicated than you realize, and I think I'm with Sevo on this one.

  80. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    I realize how complicated it is, but I also think those guys are all basically decent people and I hope that they remember that.

  81. Lord of Strazele   3 years ago

    Allied with Italy's economy against the strongest economies on the world. Allied with a monster who is turning every decent against his position. Good. I hope all the rats of this would jump on that sinking ship.

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