Philadelphia's D.A. Sees Little Value and Much Injustice in Gun Possession Arrests
Larry Krasner also questions the effectiveness of "supply-side" measures aimed at reducing criminals' access to firearms.

Philadelphia, like many other U.S. cities, has recently seen a sharp increase in homicides. But in a report issued last month, Philadelphia District Attorney Larry Krasner, a reform-minded Democrat, questions the effectiveness of two commonly proposed solutions to this problem: restricting the supply of firearms, a strategy favored by many Democrats, and prosecuting people for illegal gun possession, which has bipartisan support. The latter approach, Krasner says, is not only ineffective but unjust and racially discriminatory.
As should be clear from Krasner's dismay at a state and city "awash in guns," he is not saying these things because he is reflexively skeptical of gun control or anxious to protect the rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment. He reaches these conclusions based on the meager benefits and substantial costs of two widely popular crime fighting strategies.
The report was a joint effort by Krasner's office, the Philadelphia Police Department, the Philadelphia Department of Public Health, the Philadelphia Managing Director's Office, and the Defender Association of Philadelphia. Their conclusions about the "limited impact" of measures aimed at reducing criminals' access to guns are presented in the "key findings" of the report.
"Addressing the supply side of guns has limited impact due to several reasons," the report says. "First, Pennsylvania is a source state of guns, self-supplying most guns used in Philadelphia. Second, most guns used and/or recovered are those purchased a long time ago, indicating that attempts to limit the future supply of guns now will not impact the current gun violence crisis."
Data cited in the report show how implausible it is to think that seizing guns or restricting sales will have a meaningful effect on their availability to criminals. The number of guns legally sold in Pennsylvania rose from 400,000 in 2000 to more than 1 million in 2020, and those numbers do not include firearms obtained in the black market. The total between 1999 and 2020 was almost 13 million, an average of more than 1,600 each day. The daily average was 227 for Philadelphia and four nearby counties.
Meanwhile, Pennsylvania law enforcement agencies seized an average of 22 guns per day. Philadelphia police accounted for 55 percent of that total—12 guns a day.
Krasner spells out the implications in his own section of the report: "Each day in Philadelphia over the last 20 years, for every 3 guns legally bought or sold (i.e., in circulation that we know about), roughly 1 'crime gun' was seized (i.e., removed from circulation). Compounding the problem, in Philadelphia, only 1 in 4 recovered 'crime guns' were purchased in Philadelphia…and only half of crime guns seized by law enforcement statewide were purchased in Pennsylvania; the rest were purchased out of state or have no known origin."
Furthermore, guns used in crimes frequently have been in circulation for years. The report notes that 60 percent of traced guns "showed more than 3 years between the original purchase and recovery." Given that reality, it says, "there is less investigative value in the original source of the gun (first sale) that is obtained from tracing. The gun may have changed hands multiple times (legally or not)."
The report's analysis of 100 shooting cases underlines that point: When the source of the gun was identified, none was purchased from a licensed dealer. The main sources were illegal transfers and theft, which is consistent with other research on guns used by criminals. Increased legal restrictions on gun sales, such as expanded background checks, do nothing to address these dominant sources, since they have no impact on people who are already breaking the law.
"With so many guns available," Krasner says, "a law enforcement strategy prioritizing seizing guns locally does little to reduce the supply of guns, and, if it entails increasing numbers of car and pedestrian stops, has the potential to be counterproductive by alienating the very communities that it is designed to help." He notes that "people of color are disproportionately stopped in Philadelphia and arrested for illegal gun possession in Philadelphia and statewide." African Americans, who represent 44 percent of Philadelphia's population, account for about 80 percent of people arrested for illegal gun possession in the city.
"Focusing so many resources on removing guns from the street while a constant supply of new guns is available is unlikely to stop gun violence, but it does erode trust and the perceived legitimacy of the system," Krasner writes. "This in turn decreases the likelihood that people will cooperate and participate in the criminal legal system and associated processes, reducing clearance, conviction, and witness appearance rates."
Krasner highlights an oddity of Pennsylvania law that compounds the racially disproportionate impact of arrests for illegal gun possession. For Pennsylvanians generally, carrying a concealed weapon without a license is a first-degree misdemeanor, punishable by up to five years in jail and/or a maximum fine of $10,000. For Philadelphia residents, the same offense justifies an additional misdemeanor charge. As a local law firm explains, the combination of those two charges is "almost always graded as a felony," which means "it may carry significant jail time even for defendants who do not have a prior criminal record."
For people who are legally allowed to own firearms, carrying one without a license "is only a felony in Philadelphia," Krasner notes. "The exact same offense in every other county in Pennsylvania (carrying a firearm without a permit to carry) is only a misdemeanor offense….The legislature's decision to more punitively criminalize
and subject to more collateral consequences only the residents of its most diverse city is inequitable and obviously racist." That policy, Krasner argues, reflects "the money and power upstate legislatures' jurisdictions obtain from incarcerating Philadelphians in their prisons." He condemns "a commerce in the bodies of Philadelphians held in upstate prisons for doing what is not even a crime in the jurisdictions where they are held."
Even if you don't buy all of that, this arbitrary distinction is hard to reconcile with anybody's idea of justice. But it gets worse: For Pennsylvanians with felony records, including nonviolent crimes such as drug offenses, carrying a gun without a license is automatically a third-degree felony, punishable by up to seven years in prison and a maximum fine of $15,000. Merely possessing the gun is another felony, punishable by five to 10 years in prison and a maximum fine of $25,000.
"The current intense focus on illegal gun possession without a license is having no effect on the gun violence crisis and distracts from successfully investigating shootings," Krasner says. While some people arrested for illegal gun possession represent a real threat to public safety, he notes, others are merely trying to protect themselves in dangerous neighborhoods. He says gun possession arrests "must be targeted to distinguish between drivers of gun violence who possess firearms illegally and otherwise law-abiding people who are not involved in gun violence." When "people do not feel protected by the police," he notes, they may "view the risk of being caught by police with an illegal gun as outweighed by the risk of being caught on the street without one."
If controlling the supply of firearms and arresting people for illegal possession are not very promising ways to reduce gun violence, what strategies make sense? Philadelphia saw record numbers of fatal and nonfatal shootings last year: 501 and 1,850, respectively. Yet the city's clearance rates for such crimes are appallingly low: 37 percent and 18 percent, respectively, in 2020, for example. "Out of 9,042 shooting
victims between 2015 and 2020 in Philadelphia," the report notes, "6,910 have not been cleared." At the end of 2021, Krasner adds, arrests had been made in just 28 percent of that year's fatal shootings and 17 percent of the nonfatal shootings. Raising those rates obviously should be a top priority.
The report includes several recommendations toward that end, including "a centralized non-fatal shooting investigation team" within the police department, better support for victims and witnesses, and "data-driven approaches to crime and traffic safety." The authors also describe various intervention and prevention measures that seem promising based on the available data.
One example mentioned by the public defenders group: "Increased reliance on civilian responders to identify and mediate conflict before it escalates to violence is a promising national practice and particularly promising for Philadelphia since 'arguments' are reportedly one of the main drivers of shootings." That was how half of the 100 shootings analyzed in the report started. Nearly one-fifth of the shootings involved drugs, which reflects the impact that prohibition has on urban violence. Fifteen percent were related to domestic disputes. The report notes that "victims and arrestees for shootings tend to be male, people of color, 18-35 years old, and have a prior criminal history."
The Philadelphia report's findings and conclusions suggest that the crime-fighting strategies adopted by other cities may be seriously misguided. As Fordham University law professor John Pfaff notes in Slate, New York City Mayor Eric Adams plans to "aggressively go after guns by increasing detection efforts at state entry points, expanding funding for the New York Police Department's Gun Violence Suppression Division, working more closely with the FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to trace guns, and investing in new surveillance technology to detect illegal firearms." Adams also "promises to revive the NYPD's undercover 'anti-crime units'—disbanded in 2020 amid concerns about unconstitutional stops and excessive violence—and rechristen them 'Neighborhood Safety Teams,' deploying 400 to 500 officers on the streets to focus on 'gun removals.'"
Does this approach make sense in light of the facts described in the Philadelphia report? Pfaff thinks not. He says the report indicates that "gun violence is much more complicated than Adam's blueprint suggests" and that "a better way to focus on gun violence is to target the violence more than the guns."
The Atlantic's Conor Friedersdorf notes that "gun cases pull progressives in opposite directions." While "they generally favor the strict gun-control laws that prevail in many liberal jurisdictions," he says, "they are also sharply critical of laws that yield long prison sentences disproportionately for men of color and cut against reformers' push to reduce mass incarceration." I noted the same tension in my recent Reason cover story about gun control's racist roots and disparate impact.
Here is how Friedersdorf describes the conundrum facing progressive prosecutors: "Which should a D.A. opposed to racial inequity prioritize—the disproportionate rate at which Black and Latino residents are arrested for possessing firearms, or the disproportionate burden gun violence and deaths impose on those same communities?" But if gun possession arrests are not a very effective way to reduce violent crime (especially when they fail to distinguish between "drivers of gun violence" and "otherwise law-abiding people"), this puzzle is not as hard to solve as it might seem.
Cities have to decide, based on the evidence, which approaches offer the most bang for the buck. Devoting more money and personnel to strategies with little chance of success means devoting less to strategies that might actually work. If cops are busy seizing guns and arresting people who arm themselves purely for self-defense, for example, they have less time to identify and arrest violent criminals. This is not a matter of being "hard" or "soft" on crime, as Republicans often frame the issue. It is a matter of being smart or dumb.
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I take it you are being sarcastic regarding the heavily armed insurrection, but it is hard to tell these days as the absurd is now commonplace.
It is irrational to be a law abiding citizen that waits for the justice system to rule on unconstitutional gun laws. I waited 16 years and refused to comply with the required permission slip to carry a firearm for self defense. Had I been in fear of the government, I would have been defenseless. The state legislators know they can keep appeals tied up in litigation for decades which effectively legalizes unconstitutional gun control. If you submit to the law and not carry simply because it is a crime, then you are not free. I am a free man and carry regardless.
Krasner says, is not only ineffective but unjust and racially discriminatory.
Kramer is a racist asshole. If bodies were falling on Rittenhouse Square or Bala Plaza, he'd crack down on it fast. But since they're in places like Olney and West Philly and other places he wouldn't go without a phalanx of cops, he's ok with it.
He knows where his money comes from, and where "those people" live.
Krasner
Krameris a racist assholeShut up!
Maybe we should just follow the Constitution that says nothing about legal or illegal ownership and carry, and prosecute people who hurt others with the gun [or the knife, or the car, or the rock] without respect to the physical appearance of either the perpetrator or the victim. Nah, that'd be racist I suppose. But it'd be a helluva lot simpler, less convoluted, and asshats like Krasner would have nothing to virtue signal about.
I can tell you that increased penalties for gun crimes is not bipartisan.
That's been the irony of the progressive position. They keep clamoring for more "common sense gun control measures," but when it comes to holding people criminally responsible for their actions, progressives are very much on the side of leniency and blaming the system rather than the perpetrator.
That's an easy explanation. People don't shoot people, guns do. Therefore, ban the object, not the criminal.
"The report's analysis of 100 shooting cases underlines that point: When the source of the gun was identified, none was purchased from a licensed dealer. The main sources were illegal transfers and theft, which is consistent with other research on guns used by criminals. Increased legal restrictions on gun sales, such as expanded background checks, do nothing to address these dominant sources, since they have no impact on people who are already breaking the law."
from executive summary of "100 Shooting Review Committee Report", 196 pp.
http://phlcouncil.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/100-Shooting-Review-complete.pdf
That reminds me:
Philadelphia police need the public's help in the apprehension of a Glock 17 that gunned down several people. The gun is suspected to have been used in other violent crimes as well.
Description: Black Gen3 with after market high capacity magazine
Age: 5 years
Known Aliases: Little Weazy G
Last seen in the waste band of an individual that the gun highjacked to evade police.
Reminds of the aftermath of a public assassination caught on TV in David Cronenberg's sci-fi horror film VIDEODROME: the TV news was full of closeups of the suspect gun, a Walther PPK.
go Flyers.
Half the shootings are attributed to arguments. When our parents were kids, guns were readily available - no questions asked - from the Sears catalog or Dad's trunk of WWII souvenirs or as Christmas presents to shoot varmints in garden or fields. Yes, arguments on Westerns on tv were usually settled with gunfire (e.g. The Rifleman). Yet the actual streets weren't littered with gun victims. Arguments were settled with fists, with the winner helping the loser up. Or so it seems. When did attempted murder become culturally acceptable because someone asked your girl out, or said your sister was fat and ugly??
I blame video games.
I blame West Side Story. It glamorized street thugs.
I can't believe I have to clarify this, but I'm sure someone won't get the sarcasm.
It was comic books! Evil pulp comic books like CRIME AND PUNISHMENT, THE PURPLE CLAW, VAULT OF HORROR warping young minds into fiendishness!! And BATAN AND ROBIN seducing the innocents of America into accepting homosexuality!!!!111!!
Thank goodness and decency the US Congress stepped in during the 1950s and held hearings denoucing these purveyers of eeevile!!!!
I actually do blame video games, music and movies. Its kind of naive to think that the three biggest forms of entertainment dont have any influence on culture. Absolutely nothing should be done about it either(no sarc).
I also think the amount of footage of real deaths is worthy of some blame. Humans have become less violent since the days when seeing death was common.
Then there is the breakdown of the family.
The disappearance of real life communities.
The difficulty of relocating and disappearing.
Over crowding.
And yes, the availability, lethality and ease of use of firearms. Killing someone from 50 yards takes a lot less fortitude than doing it with fists, bricks or knives.
I place no specific weight on any of the factors and dont think the government needs to ban any thing outside of the acts of crime themselves.
So as DA he's going to refuse to enforce these unjust gun laws until the legislature resolves the problem, right guys?
So laws are unjust based on the fact that more black people are arrested for the crime? Because intuitively, we all know that criminality is determined by census data. I bet laws are also unjust based on gender and sexual orientation. Obviously, they need to start arresting a LOT more white and Asian lesbians for sum crimes n stuff.
PA appeals court just voided a Philly gun law. Krasner should be happy, no?
"The report notes that "victims and arrestees for shootings tend to be male, people of color, 18-35 years old, and have a prior criminal history.""
That must explain why the stats say overall crime such as burglary, robbery, etc are significantly down, even though murders are up:
The criminals are shooting each other.
Seems like a good reason to have gun-giveaways instead of gun buy-backs.
Given this DA's actions and the results, I hardly applaud his stance. I agree with most of it, except the racism charge. Didn't the enhance Philadelphia penalty come about because of rampant gang violence back in the 1980s and that the failure of the police and DA's to stop it was a sign of racism?
Considering that recidivism is common. Out of 1000 crimes there are not 1000 criminals. Prosecute the ones who use guns to commit crimes and jail them. And for each one you may reduce crimes by 5 or 10.
Penalizing gun owners will get you nothing.
Gun laws do not focus on criminals who use guns to commit murder, robbery, assault, crimes against people, crimes that are malum in se.
Gun laws tended to go after "crime guns" and "criminals" malum prohibitum where non-criminal folks in high crime neighborhoods arm themselves in self-defense, doing what otherwise was legal, owning what was therwise legal before the anti-gun laws.
While I was on active duty as a combat leader I was deployed while I was with 7th ID. While deployed by wife was raped in the parking garage of our apartment building. I applied for a permit to carry and she did as well. We were both denied as the state of California prefers unarmed victims that will not injure their violent criminals that used a GUN when they raped my wife. I have so much regret that I left her without any effective legal means of defense. It was at that time that we both began to carry concealed without permit. We had a choice: effective self defense, or be defenseless victims. I was told during my application interview by a sheriff's deputy that my reason, self defense, for carry was not sufficient good cause and he stated we had an irrational fear regarding being a victims in the future. He was very wrong. Fast forward 8 years and again, my wife was robbed at gun point, but fortunately not raped. I was a soldier living on a soldier's income in Monterey, a high cost living area. We cannot afford to live in gated communities and had to live in the worst side of Seaside that was rife with violent crime. Three years after that last incident my sister in law was carjacked and beaten to death. The two thugs that did it got only FOUR YEARS IN PRISON which enraged me and my brother resulting in being threatened by the judge because of our vocal outburst. When one of them was approved for parole, the San Bernardino DA's office attempted to notify my brother, then called me when he did not pick up to inform him that he was being released and added this warning to me and my brother: "Should anything happen to Mr. Cortez, we will be visiting the both of you". This was due to my brother's implied threat that he will be waiting for him during the sentencing. This is the scum that enforce our laws.
For 16 years we have risked prison for carrying without permit in California. We moved to Tulsa where sane governance exists.
These blanket laws that criminalize a citizen who's only desire is to defend themselves with their lawfully purchased firearms, place people like me and my wife in jeopardy of being sent to jail. Self defense by effective means outside one's home in many states is a CRIME. Evil does NOT make an appointment. This must stop.
We have told our story many times regarding these unconstitutional laws that ensnare otherwise law abiding citizens. I have told my elected officials and the reply basically tells us that they are sorry we went through this, but then go off on a tangent that laws are not perfect leaving me the impression that they will do NOTHING and that innocent citizens caught with an unpermitted gun is a small price to pay. This was Diane Feinstein's basic reply to us. We are just livestock to them.
PS What happened to us was not an unintended consequence of gun control law. It was an intended consequence if I am to judge the state and local lawmakers by their actions as I believe we ARE the targets as they are soft on armed violent criminals and HARD on otherwise law abiding citizens as to be soft on us, may encourage the rest of the sheep to ignore the law and carry without permit for the purpose of self defense. We scare them.
If prosecutions for gun possession are racially I just its because the underlying permit process is discriminatory. Has to be, by definition. So scrap it.
One of these isn't like the other. I would venture to bet a lot of money that almost all gun crimes in Philly are committed by people with prior felony convictions. If they pull felons in possession off the street aggressively, a lot of gun crime would start drying up. Restricting ownership by law-abiding citizens is of no value in combatting violence.
And off to the side, a video is running from Everytown for Gun Safety, Gun Laws Save Lives. Ironic.
“a better way to focus on gun violence is to target the violence more than the guns."
No way!
Philly is a washed in drugs, gangs and murdered people.
By not clamping down on those using and carrying the weapons they will kill down the line.
I actually have zero issue with it being almost all murders are POS on POS, same as in St. Louis, Chicago , Detroit, NYC, Baltimore etc etc.
The community DEMANDING no bail and lesser sentences is also about 90% of the victims because they wanted Tyrone/Leroy out and free.
Once this crime hits the rich area things will change.
Enjoy!
Don't all the gun grabbers say the idea is to keep guns out of the hands of those who shouldn't have them?
If someone, with a gun, gets arrested, that is proof that the person should not have had one, and meets the criteria the gun grabbers claim to be the goal.
Or is the "keep them out of the hands of those who shouldn't have them" just another lefty lie and they really want all guns taken away from everybody?
Why the special provisions of the law for Philadelphia is a question that demands answer, the required answer being conspicuous by it’s absence. That said, and correct me if I’m in error, as I understand, open carry of a handgun in PA does NOT require a license or permit, whereas Concealed Carry does.
By the way, how come the ATF, aka The BATFE, back when it operated as part of Treasury Dept. and now as part of Justice Dept. seems to almost never prosecutes convicted felons in possession of arms, such possession being a violation of long existing federal law?
"The legislature's decision to more punitively criminalize and subject to more collateral consequences only the residents of its most diverse city is inequitable and obviously racist."
Yeah, this is where I start hearing Charlie Brown's teacher saying "wah, wah, wah."
Now I have no connection to the state of Pennsylvania, but I've been in the gun rights game for a long time. And I would be willing to place a Hamilton on the table that this law was not created out of whole cloth by the state legislature to oppress the citizens of Philadelphia, but was requested by the city fathers of Philadelphia itself at some past time, glad-handing the legislature into writing it for them as a special favor.
Anybody from Pennsylvania can confirm or deny this guess?
I don't know that I'd put money on it, but I certainly wouldn't be *shocked* to hear that the law existed due to a request from someone in Philly.
Concentrating on criminals would lead to demographic embarrassment so officials concentrate instead on inanimate objects.
Of the few violent crimes that Krasner deigns to prosecute, Krasner almost always drops the gun charges.
He's a piece of shit - consequently he was re-elected last year by a wide margin. He's so bad that Democrat party wouldn't endorse him.
Hilarious how so many self proclaimed libertarians in the comments are so racist they're cool with government abuse as long as they're against blacks. Lick those boots as long as the boots are kneeling on a black dude with a scary gun.