'Public Health' Has Become a Catchall Excuse for Bad Ideas
From to-go cocktail bans to Neil Young to teachers unions, the pandemic has provided a convenient pretext for selfish advancement.

One of the notable developments of the pandemic era has been the tendency to use public health as a pretext for some other goal that has little or nothing to do with public health. You can see this, in different ways, in everything from Neil Young's war on Spotify and Joe Rogan to teachers union recalcitrance to President Joe Biden's legislative agenda. But let's start with an issue close to my heart: the fight over to-go cocktails in the state of New York.
Until the onset of COVID, it was illegal to purchase a to-go cocktail in New York. Bars and restaurants were strictly limited to on-premise sales. Legally, you couldn't take your end-of-night Appletini home with you. But when local officials shut down indoor dining in 2020, they made an allowance: Cocktails produced in a bar could be sold for takeout consumption. Suddenly, that Appletini became a grab-and-go purchase.
Like many policies enacted in spring 2020, New York's legalization of to-go cocktails was passed on an emergency basis. And in June 2021, the emergency authorization expired rather unexpectedly.
One reason why it expired was that liquor stores, who would prefer to have the market for booze consumed at home all to themselves lobbied heavily against extending the policy. So it's no surprise that in the weeks since New York's Democratic Gov. Kathy Hochul announced that to-go cocktails would be back on a permanent basis, liquor stores have renewed their campaign to stop the policy.
Among the reasons the liquor store lobby has cited for prohibiting bars and restaurants from selling to-go booze: the prospect of a "public health crisis." As Baylen Linnekin noted recently, a lobbying group for New York liquor stores recently warned that permanent to-go cocktails could also "increase DWI incidents and underage sales," as if it's impossible to pop open a beer in the car on the way home from the local spirits shop, or for an adult to purchase a bottle of Jameson and pass it off to a minor.
In any case, what we have is an industry whose entire business revolves around selling booze for people to consume at home strenuously objecting to a law that would expand the ways in which people consume alcohol at home—for public health reasons. Sure.
You don't have to be all that sober to see that there are other motives in play here: Just read the lobbying group's statement, which also warns that Hochul's proposal to permanently legalize to-go sales "will devastate our liquor stores." Given the recent boom in liquor store sales, I'm skeptical that bars and restaurants selling pricey, single-serving, take-home cocktails are all that much of a threat to those whose business involves selling big jugs of Jameson. But in any case, it's clear that the liquor stores are mostly motivated by the threat of competition, not concerns about public health.
There's something at least a little bit similar at work in the recent battle of the bands between Neil Young, Joe Rogan, and Spotify. Last week, Young denounced Rogan's interviews with vaccine skeptics, demanding that the streaming music service ditch Rogan—and saying that if it didn't, he wanted his music removed from the service. Not surprisingly, given that Spotify had awarded Rogan a $100 million contract back in 2020, the service stuck with the extremely popular Rogan. Young's songs will be removed from the service.
Was this really about vaccines? Well, maybe. Probably partly. But there were almost certainly other preexisting concerns in play as well. Neil Young, one of pop music's most outspoken audiophiles, has long been a critic of streaming music, and Spotify in particular, since Spotify does not currently offer high-resolution audio.
Years ago, when Apple's digital music business was still developing, Young backed an expensive device to rival the iPhone, the Pono, which was built for high-resolution music. And in 2015, before high-resolution digital music became common, Young took his music down from all streaming services, complaining that low-quality streaming "devalued" his music.
So Young had a preexisting gripe with Spotify's service that had nothing to do with Rogan's interviews.
It wasn't much of a surprise to see that after Young's music came down last week, he posted another note saying that he felt "better" having left "the shitty degraded and neutered sound of Spotify." He further warned that "if you support Spotify, you are destroying an art form" and told listeners who used the service they should "go to a new place that truly cares about music quality."
Exactly how much of Young's decision was about Rogan and vaccines, I cannot say. But it seems reasonable to suspect that at least some of Young's decision to leave Spotify came as a result of his longstanding complaints about audio quality—which he'd pulled his music from streaming services over before—rather than about Joe Rogan's influence on public health. But public health was the reason the old rock star gave for leaving, and the one that made headlines, perhaps not incidentally putting Young in the spotlight. (Surely unrelated: Did you know he has a new album and documentary out?) Public health provided Young a pretext for doing what he already wanted to do, and gave him attention in the process.
Everywhere you look these days, you can see versions of this tendency, in large and small ways: Teachers unions have spent the last two years using public health fears as an excuse to stay out of classrooms. Biden and congressional Democrats have used the pandemic as an excuse for massive expansions of social spending that have little to do with responding to the coronavirus.
It's not that every emergency measure or public stand taken in response to the pandemic has been a cynical act of self-advancement. No doubt some have been the product of sincere, if sometimes misguided, desires to improve public well-being. But some amount of cynicism seems appropriate; the totalizing emergency of the pandemic has created an aura of permission whereby moves that might otherwise seem selfish can be recast as pure and selfless when the reality is anything but.
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It’s been like that for a very long time. They get a few critical things right and then expand their mission and become worse than the remaining maladies.
"Safety" has become largely synonymous with busybody-ism and rent seeking.
I've about had it with safety.
"No doubt some have been the product of sincere, if sometimes misguided, desires to improve public well-being."
Which is Entire BS bc NONE of them have bothered to even pick up their phobe, go to google and study the pre Panic demic research.
Its easier for intellectually lazy people to blame someone else.
I call it Pubic Health bc. theyre screwing us up the Mud Road.
Try to point something out to your cat. It'll stare at your finger, not what you're pointing at.
People will argue about Rogan and vaccines and whatever -- nobody in the real world gives a shit anymore. If you want it it's available, has been everywhere in the first world since last Spring. If you don't want it, oh well, nothing one random Joe Rogan guest says one way or the other is going to really going to affect the course of the pandemic at this point. And politicians are going to do what they want under the guise of "emergency" regardless.
All this podcast hand-wringing -- It's just for internet fighting, 50 centers, and grandstanders who want to be sanctimonious at this point.
They accused him of presenting "misinformation."
Which is nothing more than a spineless weasel word. Used by spineless weasels to connote something undesirable without actually making any sort of claim that could open them up to suits for defamation.
Anyone using the term should be laughed at for being the spineless weasel they are.
Tyranny.
One day Team Blue’s cheerful support of censorship will bite them in the ass politically, despite all the inevitable gaslighting over “suppression of misinformation” that’s coming.
I just hope it helps keep the uni-party from getting entrenched any further.
Russian Collusion II- Trump strikes back.
Coming to a Political Theatre near you soon!
Hillary hyperventilating into a stroke when she loses again will make it all worth it.
And in a case of "Hey, look at me too!", Graham Nash is also calling for his songs to be removed from Spotify.
"Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out"
Who?
They haven’t said anything yet.
After listening to Fauci, they vowed they Won't Get Fooled Again.
Ah, to go cocktails, an issues the big, important principles, rather than the small beer.
"public health" has long been the excuse for all sorts of corruption and tyranny.
Yeah, I suppose so, but it is also one of the most legitimate functions of government. That is, when there is an actual serious public health crisis.
but it is also one of the most legitimate functions of government.
Cite?
It makes all the pussies feel better when they know the government is doing public health.
"...but it is also one of the most legitimate functions of government..."
Whichever lefty asshole posted that...
Is.
Full.
Of.
Shit.
They have proven that they cannot be trusted at all with that power over the past two years.
If a disease comes around that actually has the potential to (without government help) cause a collapse of civilization, then maybe we can talk. Even then, even if we had airborne ebola-anthrax-leprosy I think you need to convince people, not force them.
The interesting thing about infectious disease is that most of the diseases carried by humans naturally select against being civilization killers. A parasite that kills its hosts before it can spread isn't doing a very good job (evolutionarily speaking). A good virus, like the cold, gets you sick enough to spread it around, and that is it. If the disease is too impactful, you stay home, instead of spreading it.
The Black Death was a unique disease in that it spread on fleas AND humans, so even if the people were at home dropping dead, there were still flea-ridden rats moving about the cities with the plague. (And even more interesting, these fleas hated the sent of camels and horses, which meant that they tended to NOT infect the Mongol caravans that carried them from city to city.) If there is going to be a crazy death dealing disease, it will have to be spread by some other animal that can also live on rats. (Like mosquitos).
Yes. I suppose something like smallpox was scary enough that people would change behaviors when there was a major outbreak and it would die down. And we lived with that for thousands of years without it destroying civilization.
"If a disease comes around that actually has the potential to (without government help) cause a collapse of civilization,"
...then civilization will collapse, because there's no way these muppets are going to be effective at stopping it.
Actual muppets would be more effective than the democrats. And I for one would like to see Animal, hopped up on PCP and viagra, turned loose on congress.
drumsticks up each ass!
"That is, when there is an actual serious public health crisis."
This assumes facts not in evidence. I don't see a "Public Health" clause in the constitution. To me, Public Health is as dangerously abused as "National Security" and "Commerce".
I don't see why I should subordinate my rights to some fictional "Public Health" especially when the government has proven absolutely incompetent at maintaining it, whatever metric you choose.
Cite?
It was the foundation of mass murder in 1930s Germany.
They can't plug the leaks in the narrative.
'Expect the pressure on Spotify to go up. Expect the pressure on substack to go up. Not down.'
With democracy literally hanging by a thread, California's governor decides to take down Death Row, in accordance (?) with California voters' expressed wishes in 2016... to expedite executions.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-dismantle-largest-death-row-san-quentin-state-prison
Newsom, a Democrat, imposed a moratorium on executions in 2019 and shut down the state’s execution chamber at San Quentin, north of San Francisco. Now his administration is turning on its head a 2016 voter-approved initiative intended to expedite executions by capitalizing on one provision that allowed inmates to be moved off death row.
"Do what I say because I am in power and I know what is right!" There we go, a shoe that fits so many feet.
"I do what the People want"
" What do they want?"
" I dont know. I just know they wanted what I did.."
Said every Dictator ever.
Fuck Joe Biden
I wonder if thete is a correlation between opposing the death penalty and being soft on.crime.
Public health was just the excuse they came up with to make an end-around around the Constitution. It would have been OSHA or the FDA or anything else if it would have allowed the 'leaders' to sidestep the law.
They wanted to do something and went looking for ways to make it happen. Same as it ever was.
“They”!!!
Yes, a lot of dumb, unnecessary things have been done in the past couple of years in the name of public health, but there is no reason to think there is some ulterior motive except paranoia.
The motive is what it always is: power.
We can’t let those assholes off the hook.
I prefer they have many hooks.
In various orifii.
Tar and Feathers, too.
If Mike actually cared about these dumb, unnecessary things, he would be spending much less time trying to get us to understand the motivations of the thing-doers and would spend more time actually resisting them. But, like mom defending drunk ol' dad, we ought not complain because he's been under a lot of stress lately.
And removing Trump, you mean.
Cite?
Liarson, you hystrionic Covidiot.
Everyone has been here to watch this shit go down, but somehow you're trying to pretend it's really chcocolate ice cream.
Swallow that load by your lonesome, and go on and trust the government. They've historically had your back, amirite?
Sure dude.... All the talk of a "Great Reset" seems to have avoided your brain over the last 15-yrs. U r nothing more then a mouth piece for wanted ignorance. U seem to rather enjoy wearing that "ignorance is bliss" royal crown.
The Phucko Knows
Oh, look. More evidence that Ivermectin works.
"public health experts" are mythological creatures only. They dont exist in the real world.
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/japans-kowa-says-ivermectin-effective-against-omicron-phase-iii-trial-2022-01-31/
Let's hear it for Horse Paste.
Phbbbt! Clinical trials? Just label it 95% effective and mandate it down peoples' throats or it's not science.
“The company, which has been working with Tokyo's Kitasato University on testing the drug as a potential treatment for COVID-19, did not provide further details.”
Well, that settles it!
Brought to you by Pfizer
No, dipshit, the point is that the question is not settled.
More details in 75 years.
How many other tests would you care to ignore, Liarson?
Only been telling you for about a year now, so I understand if you're struggling.
The CNN is hard to kick.
I saw that Reuters issued a partial retraction/correction. I'm guessing after the bosses in bed with Pfizer saw it, they were not too happy.
Reuters had incorrectly identified this as the result of a phase 3 trial, but in reality, they haven't gotten results from any human trials yet.
It was absolutely correct of Reuters to issue the correction. The results are highly promising, but until you actually put it into people, there is no way to know for certain. I hope that human trials can be organized and report out quickly.
https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/96194
https://www.principletrial.org/
Pubic health
Very important to maintain pubic health.
My PHI mug will look great next to my FBI mug.
Breaking: Justin Trudeau tests positive for COWARD-19.
Are you referring to Canada's dictator, Vladmir Poutine?
“COWARD-19”? Can you deconstruct what you even mean by that?
You probably watch the news which is why you haven't heard.
He moved in with Nancy Pelosi; someone put their feet on her desk which is threatening!
My only disappointment is I didn't think of it. Robby Soave covers it at his day job.
Can you post a cite explaining your premise?
How about u pull your ass off your head first? U continue to prove your emense ignorance of the world around u. R u really this ignorant..., or just collecting a pay check for dispensing propaganda and pure lies? Which makes u one gross ass human being.
The Phucko Knows
Did one of the unvaccinated truckers give it to him?
It's just marketing. Fucking marketing.
AND...will be known as the most profitable scam in history.
Itll be trillions just in US dollars.
I hope Neil Young still has time to organize the next Farm Aid!
You mean Pharm Aid?
Reason doesn't get it yet. It is not, and never has been about public health. Public health has been an excuse to repress, censor, lie, cheat and persecute those seen as opposition. It started Jan. 20th, 2021.
'Public Health' Has Become a Catchall Excuse for Bad Ideas
Bad Ideas Have Always Needed Nebulous, Superficial Catchalls Like 'Public Health' To Appear To Hold Water.
The "Ideas so good they need a torch-wielding mob to enforce them." satire has been replaced with "Torch-wielding mobs are a necessity as long as they have the right ideas." honesty.
In the Bay Area, school districts are fighting to keep schools open through common-sense safety protocols. The three largest districts threatened to strike and all won.
" Common sense" is not science.
Its stupidity of Commoners.
Bloody Peasants...
'Public Health' Has Become a Catchall Excuse for Bad Ideas
Let me save you some typesetting time. Save the headline and be ready to swap 'Climate Change' for 'Public Health' at a moment's notice. Once the pile of shit known as government Covid response has outlived its usefulness to totalitarians they will pivot to impending climate doom faster than Moses Malone on the low post. They have a perpetual taste for pushing people around that will not be sated without fuel from the next moral panic.
Legally, you couldn't take your end-of-night Appletini home with you.
I have no words. Maybe this is some meta call-forward playing off your iTunes reference but I doubt it.
in some circles, the pivot has begun. The NYT, which never saw a mandate or restriction it did not support, has now noticed that prolonged shutdowns of schools cause harm to kids. It's like no one said this more than a year ago. The narrative is beginning to turn; people are going to run away from long-held positions and act as if they never held those positions at all.
Yep! Here you can watch Fauci say that most child hospitalizations aren't even for covid, they just happen to have it. How long have we been saying that?
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/the-great-backpedal-lurches-forward
FUCK FauXi.
With a giant Fuck Stick
"Putin's Threat to Ukraine" will get some miles.
.. Appletini..
If you want to get invited to the right cocktail parties, you have to drink the right cocktails.
The drink choice was worth a laugh there. The best jokes are inadvertent.
To be fair, it's more "has always been" than "has become."
Its been ' subverting the Constitution in the name of emergency' since Lincoln trashed the Constitution And used the US Military to attack the Southern States and murder Citizens.
I'll take your lame column with the usual anti-vaxx/CDC filler based on the pandemic as Exhibit A of your point.
Speaking of bitter old hippies with nothing useful to add, here's Joe Friday!
He should demand Reason remove his comments due to their permissiveness with contrary opinions.
All you need to complete this terrible opinion provided by Joe is dbruce
Don't light the bat-crazy signal
Man, muting that steaming pile of lefty shit has made my days much more pleasant.
What a fucking lying asshole!
"I'll take your lame column with the usual anti-vaxx/CDC filler based on the pandemic as Exhibit A of your point."
Ok, Chemjeff, Mike. Here we go- put your money where your mouth is. Ostensibly Joe is one of the minority of Americans still backing the draconian mandates and restrictions on our freedoms. You have both insisted over and over again, that the only way to deal with Joe is to recognize his humanity and discuss this issue- to actually change his mind on these matters.
Lead by example. I'm waiting.
Every premise you believe in is crumbling in front of you. Are you finally ready to abandon your beliefs and get on the right side of history?
I'll take, "into the bitter screaming void before he admits it" for $500.
Hm, how does this go?
"I feel your pain, loser."
I appreciate Rahm Emanuel for publicly coining "never let a serious crisis go to waste" as a shorthand for this. I do not like the fact that politicians see that as advice and not as a warning, but given that politicians have always taken advantage of crises, it is nice to have a shorthand that indicates how disingenuous political responses are.
What I really despise (regarding this topic) is the circular Progressive logic of "we need to pay for your health care" followed by "we need to regulate you because your choices increases the costs of all of the fanciful things we're trying pay for on your behalf".
Fuck you, cut spending.
Yeah they sure went from "healthcare is a human right" to "do what we say or you don't get treatment" really fast.
Theres no such thing as health care.
The HMO corps invented that in the 1980s.
Health doesnt need care. Just a shot of whiskey now and then.
No shit, Peter. For two years, various officials and wannabe experts have presented conjecture as unassailable scientific fact. And when the following day's talking points contradict the ones from the day before, the speaker and a complaint media pretend not to notice. There was more heartburn expended into trying to pretend that Trump said "you should mainline Lysol" than in the myriad false things that Fauci, et al said and continue saying.
American "Public Health" has become a catchall for Global Laughter and disgust.
American clown car.
At least we’re not Europe.
...only bc we dont have a France...
yet...
Whatever happened to National Security? Wore it out?
The bad ideas are because 'public health' is not a science. It's a branch of medicine, a whole different ball of wax. Medicine has always been political, it's bred in the bone. It's also always been a refuge for scoundrels and charlatans. That's not to say public health doesn't have legitimate use. If we think of it as treating the public as a whole, rather than the individual, we can find it in the practice of doctors washing their hands, Mao's promotion of boiled water, the discovery of radiation dangers with the early use of radium. All steps forward that saved lots of unnecessary suffering.
Eliminate the idea of public health.
Well this Panic Demic did just that.
People without jobs cant afford food or heat.
They do have scenic views living at Rest Areas and Truck Stops in their cars.
"Eliminate the idea of public health."
Because Americans are just fine with outbreaks of cholera in their neighborhoods and would welcome the return of polio and small pox. There are some health problems where it doesn't make sense to treat it on an individual basis. Sometimes you have to approach it as the public body as a whole as the patient, hence 'public health.'
It's not rocket science, it's a branch of medicine. If you can't grasp that simple fact. you keep making idiot statements like 'eliminate the idea of public health.' That sounds harsh, I know, but mother nature has much worse in store than you're likely to receive in my comments.
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.”—C.S. Lewis
"It's not that every emergency measure or public stand taken in response to the pandemic has been a cynical act of self-advancement."
I would like a fucking cite for this.
Its from the Book of Progressive Manuvering Idealogy, Vol. 2.
In the chapter on Making Shit Up.
Groundhogs Dead!
"Weather predicting Milltown Mel dies just before Groundhog Day"
It had Covid and was not vaccinated.
Have yall seen new mexico yet? Ive never seen such a madrasa of junky slime catholics and whores in ma life! Lol. Some gas atation that thought id ever use it or see it again about flipped their shit when they found i walked through all 11 cubic meters of it without a mask. Apparently the whole state has a mask mandate. Ive already had covid (weaksauce) and honestly couldnt give the first fk about wearing a mask. I'd estimate half of the antifa facists come from there and they're all still worried about getting busted for arson if anyone recognised them. So, the whole state has to wear a mask since the bulk of their population is a heroin addicted terrorist racist cult. And here i thought LA was a supreme suck hole. It's got nothing on NM. Cant wait till the real plagues get let loose. No one should have to coexist with these scumbags.
comment of the day!
NM is now off my bucket list
So has anti-semitism, but you aren't complaining about the man behind the curtain.
The man behind the curtain is but the Zionist Jew devil. As with the Jesuit's flying under the Christian umbrella..... These Zionist hide in plain site.., as real Jews do everything the can to protect..., in stead of calling them out for the evil bastards they r.
The Phucko Knows
“Public health” has become the newest version of “racist” - a leftist dog whistle that has lost all meaning. When I hear “racist” I just roll my eyes and tune out whatever the person says because I know it will be nonsense. Now when I hear “public health” I do the same because I know what is to follow is political ‘bravo sierra.’
Not all medical issues can be treated on an individual basis. Sometimes the public body as a whole must be considered the patient. Rolling your eyes and tuning out is not going to change that.
Has become? It's always been that way.