Television

The Real-World Conflicts in Yellowstone Can Be Solved by Markets, Not Drama

Media elites ignore the heartland-themed show, and the real issues behind it, at their own peril.

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Yellowstone, the modern-day Western starring Kevin Costner, is one of the most popular shows right now. The series, which just wrapped up its fourth season, follows Costner's John Dutton as he fights to preserve his family's way of life on a sprawling ranch in Montana's Paradise Valley. The action-packed drama has captured the attention of Americans across the country—many of them in small-market towns and cities in "flyover" states.

The show's popularity—with its sometimes corny dialogue and Middle America–focused themes—has media elites scratching their heads. Vox called it "a watchable yet almost relentlessly three-out-of-five-stars TV show" and lamented that it "is not particularly interested in saying anything grand or sweeping about the world." HBO's Succession, which has a similar family business legacy theme, is an Emmy-winning darling of media critics, but it draws only a fraction of Yellowstone's viewership. Just 1.7 million viewers tuned in to Succession's season finale last month, compared to more than 11 million for Yellowstone's. A Yellowstone prequel starring Tim McGraw and Faith Hill that debuted last month, 1883, drew nearly 5 million viewers, making it the largest cable premiere since 2015.

Yellowstone's appeal, along with the apparent disinterest of the chattering class, reveals familiar red-state–blue-state cultural divisions. The show isn't moralizing or preachy. But part of its appeal is how it features real-world issues facing heartland communities—topics that are often unfamiliar, or poorly understood, by coastal critics who might perceive Yellowstone as lowbrow.

Consider the show's depiction of the tensions between urban and rural communities—whether in the context of disputes over water rights, property boundaries, or wildlife interactions. Our organization, the Property and Environment Research Center (PERC), which is based in Bozeman, Montana, near where Yellowstone takes place, recently published an entire magazine issue exploring issues in the show. Many of the plotlines involve big-city developers or transplants butting heads with locals who see the outsiders as a threat to their traditions and livelihoods, and the result is usually conflict instead of cooperation.

For instance, in the series premiere, developers from California sit in a Bozeman conference room looking over their plans to build a subdivision next to the Duttons' ranch. When one wonders whether they can unilaterally dam a river, diverting it from the ranch to supply their vacation-home development with water and power, another says: "On our land, it's our river. This isn't California, gentlemen. This is Montana. We can do whatever we want." It's fantasy—a sophisticated Western water rights system known as prior appropriation emerged more than a century ago to preclude such a conflict-ridden approach—but it captures the urbanite-elite disdain for traditional ways of life that Yellowstone so often illustrates.

Take another example: the Duttons' constant challenges with federal endangered species regulations. At various times throughout the show, the Endangered Species Act is either hamstringing the Duttons' cattle-ranching business or being used by their adversaries as a weapon to remove them from the land. In one scene, a lawyer for a real estate investor devises a plan to use environmental regulations to attack the family with "a thousand little cuts." In another, one of the Duttons' cowboys shoots an endangered grizzly bear in self-defense, prompting a protracted investigation and an attempt by the Duttons to avoid legal punishment under the Endangered Species Act.

The basic problem with the Endangered Species Act is that it penalizes landowners who, like the Duttons, provide habitat for imperiled species. The show shines a light on the urban-rural divide between animal-loving city dwellers who want to save species and the rural landowners who bear the costs of doing so. This often pits endangered wildlife against landowners and leads to a "shoot, shovel, and shut up" approach that is bad for species as well as people. "When someone kills a bear," says the local sheriff in the grizzly bear scene, "10,000 vegans send letters to their congressmen. You should have buried that thing in a hole before I got here because I ain't the problem—the feds are!"

Other scenes depict challenges associated with wolves and livestock. As wolf populations have rebounded throughout much of the American West in recent decades, some states have created funds to compensate ranchers for livestock lost to wolves and other predators. Such programs have helped ranchers mitigate some of the costs of living with wolves, but they do little to turn wolves into economic assets in the eyes of rural landowners. For wolf recovery to be sustainable, strategies will need to benefit the local communities that bear the costs of providing habitat for the predators.

Similar issues are playing out in real time. Montana and Wyoming have both recently petitioned the feds to remove grizzly populations from the federal endangered species list, citing dramatic recoveries in recent decades and growing conflicts with rural landowners and residents. Despite attempts by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to delist Yellowstone grizzlies dating back to 2005, the species remains listed in the region due to protracted litigation from environmentalists. Meanwhile, controversies over recent wolf-killing measures adopted in Montana and Idaho are prompting calls to relist wolves, which had previously been delisted. And in 2020, Colorado voters approved a ballot measure to reintroduce wolves in the state—in what amounted to a stark urban-rural split—angering rural residents who will bear the costs. Grim us-versus-them outlooks over wildlife turn disputes about species into all-or-nothing battles, ultimately undermining landowners' incentives to help recover wildlife.

Strife doesn't have to triumph. In the real-life Paradise Valley in Montana, ranchers face many of the same challenges as the Duttons—pressures to subdivide, the reality of being land-rich but cash-poor, and modern global economic shifts that increasingly make it difficult to stay in the business of bringing beef to market. To help address such challenges while also promoting conservation, PERC recently launched a new tool to reward landowners for providing wildlife habitat, funded entirely by local groups interested in conserving iconic Yellowstone wildlife. Last fall, we partnered with one ranch family to create the state's first-ever "elk occupancy agreement"—a voluntary contract that compensates the family for setting aside 500 acres of land as winter habitat for the valley's migratory elk herds.

Other similar free market arrangements are in the works in the valley, all with the same goal: to reward private landowners who voluntarily conserve habitat that does not benefit just them but also serves as a boon to Bozemanites and even faraway out of staters, many of whom may never vote the same way they would. More new tools will be needed to replace controversy with cooperation, and connect animal-loving urbanites to ranchers who provide habitat, especially given the national backdrop of polarized red-county–blue-county politics. Even as it exaggerates conflict on the screen, Yellowstone frequently alludes to the underlying institutions that are supposed to help settle conflicts over water, land, and other resources. While the show often chooses violence, we shouldn't have to in the real world.

"There's a war being waged against our way of life," John Dutton says in the latest season. For many people across the country, this sentiment rings true. Yellowstone captures it, and, in the process, the attention of more viewers than most other television series. Media critics, along with conservationists and policy makers who care about these issues in the real world, dismiss it at their own peril.

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  1. Television is sophomoric and patronizing. Go out into the real world. Unless you are Reason’s resident pedophile, in which case it would best to plug in and remain that way.

    1. There are MANY resident pedos here!

      Sevo the Pedo, sitting on a park bench, eyeing little boys with bad intent: “How do you like to entice the little tykes? I like to use candy!”

      Sharing-that-bench, Chumpy Chump the Toddler-Humper: “Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker!”

      1. Oh, did Sevo post links to pedophilia like Buttplug actually did, or are you trying to sweep the whole thing under the rug because Buttplug's on your "team"?

        ᛋᛋqrlsy One, pedophile apologist.

        1. Don't even have to guess that's the TDS-addled spastic asshole. Seems he's still butt-hurt since I pointed out how fucking narcissistic and stupid you'd have to be to hope anyone other than your mommy would read those piles of shit.
          Fuck off and die, asshole.

          1. "Fuck off and die, asshole.

            You first! Else you're a hypocrite, advocating that others should do, what you will not! "Do as I say, and not as I do"!

            Sevo the Pedo, whining crybaby, once threatened to take me to the courts of Government Almighty!

            Let’s see now, Super-Perv-Predator-Sevo the Pedo, hippo wearing a speedo… Apparently what the law supposedly prohibits (IF you do NOT have enough money and lawyers to defend yourself)… Is making “credible threats” against others online! So, apparently, making threats to reveal more truths about the predatory nature of the pedo habits of Sevo the Pedo ***IS*** a credible threat!
            Did you think all of this through, Sevo the Pedo, with your LONG, well-documented history of being one of the biggest, most empty-headed, unfounded-accusation-makers in Gay ol’ San Fran, and on Reason.com? A hundreds-of-years-old English-style legal presumption is that one gets to confront (challenge, ask questions of) one’s accuser. Are you ready to reveal your REAL ID to all of the decent people that you have pissed off, for no other reason other than keeping on satisfying your sadistic trolling boner?
            Might as well reveal your real ID NOW, Sevo the Pedo! Get it over with!

            PS, precedence doesn’t favor Your lost cause, whining crybaby… See Elon Musk and pedo lawsuit… https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50695593 … Elon Musk wins defamation case over 'pedo guy' tweet about caver

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        2. Mammary-Fuhrer tries to pretend to NOT understand that the supposed doings of accused persons, can ACTUALLY have been done by "identity thieves"... Despite Mammary-Fuhrer, herself, being an identity thief! (This is above and beyond the "Big Lie" thing of endless repeated lies, with no proof offered).

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          In https://reason.com/2021/03/21/why-we-still-shouldnt-censor-misinformation/#comment-8818090 Mamma fesses to her being an identity-thief and sock!
          chemjeff radical individualist
          March.21.2021 at 4:27 pm
          Uh oh, I think you left your sock on.
          Reply
          1. SQRLSY 0ne
          March.21.2021 at 5:06 pm
          Yeah, sigh.

          Hey MammaryBahnFuhrer, Expert Christian Theologian! Did Jesus appear to You in a vision, and tell You that ID theft is a GREAT, wonderful thing? Or ARE You Jesus, returned to us, maybe?

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            How is your new org coming along? Are you gaining many new converts and perverts to the Nazi party?
            And where do we sign up for your Der Sturmer?

            Reminder of ᛋᛋqrlsy's Nazi past:

            "SQRLSY One
            September.30.2020 at 12:53 pm
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            November.1.2020 at 8:51 am
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            “My spirit will rise from the grave and the world will see I was right.” ― Adolf Hitler

            SQRLSY One
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        3. The feces-eating squirrel regularly provides chaff and redirect for the resident pedophile regarding him posting child pornography here.

          Makes one wonder whether one is the sock of the other. Another question is why none of the federal agents that stop by the comments have ever investigated this. Other than select progressives, folks tend to be in unison that law enforcement investigating and prosecuting these heinous acts is the right thing for them to be doing.

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      2. SQRLSY

        I sure hope you are not intentionally trying to protect SPB by pushing the pedo accusation all across the boards. Because to do that is not helping anything. It is normalizing the trafficking of child porn. Perhaps this wasn't your intent, but I ask that you stop that. Child Porn is a serious problem, and we should save the accusations for people who ACTUALLY POSTED IT, like SPB.

        1. "...save the accusations for people who ACTUALLY POSTED IT, like SPB."

          I await your proof. Else you're almost definitely engaging in "The Big Lie"... Repeat it often enough, and it becomes true!

          Keep in mind that there is a LONG-LONG history here, of people ID-stealing! If you KNOW there is a proven child-porn-poster here, and you KNOW for sure, who exactly it is, why aren't you taking it to court? Take it to court, like Sidney Powell did!

          https://reason.com/2021/03/23/sidney-powell-says-shes-not-guilty-of-defamation-because-no-reasonable-person-would-have-believed-her-outlandish-election-conspiracy-theory/
          Sidney Powell Says She’s Not Guilty of Defamation Because ‘No Reasonable Person’ Would Have Believed Her ‘Outlandish’ Election Conspiracy Theory

          1. "I await your proof. Else you're almost definitely engaging in "The Big Lie"... Repeat it often enough, and it becomes true!"

            1) Let's just say that you are right and- for the first time in over 10 years posting to this site- I am actually lying. Even in that best case scenario, you are saying it is acceptable to knowingly lie about someone in retaliation for someone lying.

            2) But in fact you don't know I am lying. So, instead, you are saying it is acceptable to knowingly libel somebody- and normalize the practice of trafficking Child Porn- merely because you don't believe me.

            Why should anyone listen to what you are rambling on about? Your actions speak larger than your rants. And your actions are: "I will intentionally, and knowingly libel my enemies if I don't agree with them. Even if that means normalizing behavior as despicable as child pornography."

            It's pretty sad, honestly.

            1. So you have EXACTLY as much proof that the real person behind "Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2" is a pedo, as I have that YOU (or Sevo the Pedo, or Chumpy Chump the Toddler Humper, is a pedo). It's pretty sad, honestly.

              Turn-about is fair play! Forest-fire fighters fight forest fires with forest fires, with "firebreaks"! Soldiers fight evil violence-addicted violent assholes... With violence! LEARN what it feels like to be constantly hounded by what may or may not be lies, as if they are fully KNOWN to be true! "They" (mindless idiots who don't have the knowledge or the benevolence to intelligently discuss politics or ethics) have constantly "refuted" what I have to say, by claiming that I have proclaimed that I like to eat shit! Yet they can NEVER trot out the quote or citation! Empty-headed morons, they are!

              I have the humility to loudly proclaim that I don't know FOR SURE whether the real person behind "Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2" is a pedo, or not! I see that YOU lack the humility to forthrightly state that! "Let's just say that you are right and- for the first time in over 10 years posting to this site- I am actually lying."

              Mealy-mouthed fence-straddler! You don't have the HUMILITY to forthrightly state the plain TRUTH, do you? I DARE you to speak Humble Truth!

              Humility is a MUCH underappreciated virtue! See this: https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/12/27/army-has-introduced-new-leadership-value-heres-why-it-matters.html Even in a supposedly “proud” profession, wise leaders treasure humility!

              Do YOU have any humility?

              1. Fuck off with your phony protestations of humility, you pedophilia apologist.

              2. "So you have EXACTLY as much proof that the real person behind "Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2" is a pedo, as I have that YOU (or Sevo the Pedo, or Chumpy Chump the Toddler Humper, is a pedo)"

                Whether or not I can prove it, what you are doing is different. You *know* for a fact that you are lying. You are even admitting to it.

                "Turn-about is fair play!"

                This is only Turn-about if I know I am lying. You don't know one way or the other if I am lying. But you do know that you are lying. It isn't turn-about- it is retaliation. If this were a workplace, and sevo accused someone of something, and couldn't prove it- for you to then say "Well I am going to make something up about you" it would be actionable under law. Even morally speaking, there is no moral calculus where responding to an unproven allegation by making shit up is appropriate.

                "Hey, I know you couldn't prove that is true, so I am going to now accuse you of embezzlement!"

                The appropriate response is to adamantly say it is not proven.

                "I have the humility to loudly proclaim that I don't know FOR SURE whether the real person behind "Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2" is a pedo, or not! I see that YOU lack the humility to forthrightly state that! "

                Unfortunately all your moral posturing went to shit when you decided to make shit up about Sevo. You have now advanced the moral proposition that if you don't believe the accusation of someone, it is ok to just make shit up about someone else.

                And by the way, who lacks humility here? Me, who says I witnessed this happen, or you who says that 1) my testimony doesn't count, and 2) you get to libel people because you don't believe my testimony?

                That said, let's get the party started. We know that Reason scrubbed the offending thread. Is there anything short of providing you a link to a post that no longer exists that will prove to you that I witnessed this at the time?

                Let's say I can show you the day it happened.
                Let's say I can show you that the day before he was posting, and then the day after that he was not just banned, but reason had SCRUBBED the prior month of posts from him.
                Let's say I can show you that I was there posting in threads at the same time.
                Let's say I can show within a few days of that, this was being discussed.
                And let's say that I can show within a couple months, Shrike (SPB) under a new handle was copping to being banned even if he = doesn't admit to why.

                I'm not asking you to convict this guy in court, I am just asking you to have the "humility" to not try and retaliate to protect someone that I credibly claim posted links to kiddy porn.

                What say you?

                1. "Let's say I can show you the day it happened.
                  Let's say I can show you that the day before he was posting, and then the day after that he was not just banned, but reason had SCRUBBED the prior month of posts from him.
                  Let's say I can show you that I was there posting in threads at the same time.
                  Let's say I can show within a few days of that, this was being discussed.
                  And let's say that I can show within a couple months, Shrike (SPB) under a new handle was copping to being banned even if he = doesn't admit to why."

                  That is FIVE "let's says", without proof! I guess I'm asking too much? "Let's say" you're just pulling stuff out of your ass, as far as an impartial reader can tell! Or one like me, who wasn't here (???) 12 years ago, when these alleged things supposedly happened?

                  "Whether or not I can prove it, what you are doing is different. You *know* for a fact that you are lying. You are even admitting to it."

                  Do I know if Chumpy Chump is a Toddler-Humper, or not? No, I don't know either way, FOR SURE! And I have the humility to admit that, just as I have the humility to say I don't know FOR SURE whether or not the same is true of "Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2"... When are YOU going to have the humility to do the same? If you have PROOF of this, then WHY aren't you taking it to court? If your wife for some crazy reason gets a hair up her butt, and posts under user-name "Sarah Palin's Buttplug 3"... Maybe just to call some attention to herself... Is SHE now a pedo, too? Would you accept that as proof, enough to, say, divorce her, or have a knock-down drag-out spat over it?

                  Then how about my questions?

                  What (of any positive value) are YOU doing, by constantly hopping on the Buttplug-is-a-pedo bandwagon?

                  Are you...

                  '1) Bringing him to justice?

                  '2) Refuting what he writes?

                  '3) Showing him what it feels like to be called a pedo, because HE is always calling others pedos? Do you think that he doesn't already KNOW what it feels like to constantly be called as pedo?

                  '4) Making these comments any more of a joy to read?

                  '5) Getting jollies for your "punishment boner", inflicting "punishment" anonymously?

                  1. You're defending posting links to child porn, you sick fuck.

                    1. He thinks that intentionally lying about someone is the same as calling out someone for something that actually happened.

                    2. "He thinks that intentionally lying about someone..."

                      Ken pointed this out several months ago; those of us capable of adult discourse make a mistake quite often in assuming our interlocutors are also adults capable of intelligent discussion.
                      Well, no. You think the person you're dealing with it capable of understanding a rationally-argued position, and, as evidenced by this pants-shitting toddler, you'd be wrong:
                      "The five rules of stupid"
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O9FFrLpinQ
                      The TDS-addled spastic asshole is STUPID and needs to be understood as such.

                  2. "That is FIVE "let's says", without proof!"

                    I didn't provide proof because I was asking if you will accept all those "let's says" as adequate proof. What say you?

                    If I can provide you proof for each of the "let's says", will you apologize to Sevo for libeling him? Will you stop acting like defending a person accused of posting CP requires making shit up about others? I'm not even asking you to convict him in court- just admit that possibly there is a dispute here, and maybe your hubris (the opposite of humility) was out of place.

                    Will you do it?

                    1. If you can prove that "Sarah Palin's Buttplug" (WITHOUT getting ID-hacked by Tulpa or Mammary-Fuhrer or some other lying, thieving, evil person) posted a child-porn link, AND that the real "Sarah Palin's Buttplug" is the same as "Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2", then I'll admit that comparing "Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2" to Sevo and Chumpy Chump wasn't fair. What I'm asking for seems entirely fair to me.

                      People are ENTIRELY too eager to believe made-up bullshit with little or no evidence, when the victim is of the WRONG TRIBE! As evidence for this, don't forget Sidney Powell... Who had no evidence!

                      https://reason.com/2021/03/23/sidney-powell-says-shes-not-guilty-of-defamation-because-no-reasonable-person-would-have-believed-her-outlandish-election-conspiracy-theory/
                      Sidney Powell Says She’s Not Guilty of Defamation Because ‘No Reasonable Person’ Would Have Believed Her ‘Outlandish’ Election Conspiracy Theory

                    2. So is that a no, then?

                      Predictable. You can throw around any accusation you want as retaliation but nothing short of a confession from SPB will be good enough for you.

                      Sure seems like you have circled those wagons to protect your tribe.

                      "People are ENTIRELY too eager to believe made-up bullshit with little or no evidence, when the victim is of the WRONG TRIBE! "

                      But this is *not* little or no evidence. I was there and saw it when it happened. If I could provide the evidence listed, would you apologize for making shit up (with no evidence)?

                    3. "Sure seems like you have circled those wagons to protect your tribe."

                      Pure projection! For every time I have called Sevo a Pedo, Sevo the Pedo has called me and others "turd lies", "addled spastic assholes", etc., with the exact SAME lack of data as I have trotted out when calling Sevo a Pedo... Probably HUNDREDS of times! Sevo is a MUCH bigger offender here! Have you called down Sevo? I've not seen it... Is Sevo perceived to be in YOUR tribe, maybe?

                      Meanwhile, "Mother's Lament" (AKA Mammary-Fuhrer) can be SHOWN (as I have repeatedly shown) to be an ID-thief! ID theft is THE biggest root cause here of... Do we KNOW for sure that Buttplug was making that post, or was it Mammary-Fuhrer or Tulpa that was making the post? If you were REALLY concerned about lying and evil-doing, you'd be pecking at the keyboards, calling down Mammary-Fuhrer, with least 1/10th as many keyboard-pecks as you've spent chastising me. I've seen NONE of that!

                      Oh, wait... Mammary-Fuhrer is with YOUR tribe!

                2. "...I'm not asking you to convict this guy in court, I am just asking you to have the "humility" to not try and retaliate to protect someone that I credibly claim posted links to kiddy porn

                  What say you?"

                  You respond as if to a reasonable, competent adult, but I really have to ask: Have you read the tantrums this assholic pile of shit has posted?
                  Do you seriously expect an infantile intellect like this to give you an answer which is not the product of that infantile intellect?

                  1. "Have you read the tantrums this assholic pile of shit has posted?"

                    This, from the empty-headed poster who constantly call others "turds" and "addled spastic assholes" and so forth, without presenting ANY evidence that these accusations are true!

                    Overt has spilled a lot of ink calling me to task, and I've not seen him doing that to Sevo the Pedo, one of THE most repetitive and empty-headed, non-evidence-based insult-slingers here on these pages. Then there's Mammary-Fuhrer, known ID thief, who steals IDs, which is a MAJOR root cause here of the confusion going on... Did "Buttplug the first" really post porn, or was his ID stolen by the likes of Mammary-Fuhrer? I've not seen Overt calling Mammary-Fuhrer to task either!

                    Just an idea now... Could blind TRIBALISM be a root cause here?

                    1. SQRLSY has spent a lot of ink claiming that he is teaching HUMILITY. In order to teach humility, SQRLSY appropriates the privilege for HIMSELF to make stuff up in retaliation for an accusation. See, SQRLSY isn't a humble judge of the facts, he has already decided that the facts don't matter, and moved onto execution of punishment.

                      Because SQRLSY is humble. He's so humble that after I have proposed to offer proof several times, he has not once agreed to see the evidence- because he has already judged this case, in all his humility and decided that the only empathetic way to carry on is to knowingly libel others.

                      And despite the fact that I argue with Sevo regularly, for some reason this is all justified because of Tribes.

                      This is not the first time he has knowingly, admittedly made stuff up about people in the other Tribe...for some reason he always has justification to do unto others what he would not like done unto people who agree with him.

                      Very humble.

                    2. "He's so humble that after I have proposed to offer proof several times, he has not once agreed to see the evidence..."

                      I've seen all the scanty evidence you've sent so far! If you have more, I will GLADLY look at it! When are YOU going to have the humility to simply admit, in plain and simple words, which you do NOT later take back, that "I do NOT know FOR SURE that the currently-posting Buttplug has ever posted child porn"? WHY is this asking too much of you?

                      I wrote... If you can prove that "Sarah Palin's Buttplug" (WITHOUT getting ID-hacked by Tulpa or Mammary-Fuhrer or some other lying, thieving, evil person) posted a child-porn link, AND that the real "Sarah Palin's Buttplug" is the same as "Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2", then I'll admit that comparing "Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2" to Sevo and Chumpy Chump wasn't fair. What I'm asking for seems entirely fair to me.

                      WHY is this SUCH an unreasonable request? And WHEN are you going to condemn the endless empty-headed potty-mouthing of Sevo, and the ID-stealing ways of Mother's Lament? Tribalism, maybe? It is as good a fit as anything that I can think of!

                    3. "I've seen all the scanty evidence you've sent so far!"

                      I haven't presented any evidence other than my testimony. I have asked numerous times what you would do if I presented the additional, itemized evidence. Rather than simply answer you want to hedge and deflect. Just answer: If I go through the trouble of presenting the evidence that I itemized, will that be good enough for you? I'm not going to go through the trouble of digging up years old Internet Archive data if you are just going to say "Well it could have been an impersonator, so your evidence doesn't matter."

                      ".. If you can prove that "Sarah Palin's Buttplug" (WITHOUT getting ID-hacked by Tulpa or Mammary-Fuhrer or some other lying, thieving, evil person)...What I'm asking for seems entirely fair to me."

                      I told you what evidence I was willing to provide and asked if it will be good enough. Before I go to the trouble, I want that answer. Because I get the feeling that after I provide that evidence, it will still not be good enough.

                      After all, I could provide a screenshot of SPB's actual post, and you could always say "Well that could have been someone else hacking the account."

                      And this basically undermines your argument more than mine. Because what you are really saying, by taking this tact, is that for a person as humble as you, there is no proof ever that a post came from a specific person. Which makes me wonder why you feel justified in retaliating against people you disagree with. You call Sevo a pedo on this thread. Why? How do you know that Sevo on this thread is the same one who accused SPB last weekend? Can you prove it 100%? No?

                      SQRLSY, you have rhetorically painted yourself into a corner. If the evidence I have offered to provide isn't enough to support my testimony, then essentially nobody can EVER reference prior behavior from previous threads, because even linking to the thread can't prove that the person wasn't hacked. As someone who spends every waking hour on a jihad to impute motivations into the trumpaloos, it undermines your behavior far more than mine.

                      " And WHEN are you going to condemn the endless empty-headed potty-mouthing of Sevo, and the ID-stealing ways of Mother's Lament? Tribalism, maybe?"

                      No, and I want to be very clear on this. Please go back and see when I have actually taken you to task, and you will see very clearly this is untrue.

                      1) The first time I took you to task was because you came into a thread that had decent conversation going, and decided to summon the trumpers with a provocation out of the blue.

                      2) The second time I took you to task was because you were accusing people in an article (Not Sevo, or the trumpaloos) of wanting to kill people "eating with chopsticks".

                      3) The third time, in this article, I took you to task because you are trying to normalize accusing people of spreading child porn. I believe it is such a breach of acceptable behavior that it should be reserved only for credible cases. And while I understand that you do not feel I can make a credible case, that is different from KNOWINGLY falsely accusing someone, which is what you are doing.

                      So, please understand: My criticism is of your behavior. It is not my fault that it seems Right-leaning people trigger this behavior in you. It isn't my tribalism, but yours.

                      I have told Sevo and ML and Jesse to knock it off in the past. And they didn't listen to me. And so I no longer tend to read their posts. I don't generally respond to that crap because it brings no value. *shrug*

                    4. If you can prove that "Sarah Palin's Buttplug" (WITHOUT getting ID-hacked by Tulpa or Mammary-Fuhrer or some other lying, thieving, evil person) posted a child-porn link, AND that the real "Sarah Palin's Buttplug" is the same as "Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2", then I'll admit that comparing "Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2" to Sevo and Chumpy Chump wasn't fair. What I'm asking for seems entirely fair to me. I don't see why I should change my stance on that...

                      I'm glad to hear that you've chided the worst offenders here. That they won't change, is no surprise to me.

                      I understand that the original SPB (or Tulpa) post is gone now, so you can't link to it. Them's the breaks! I don't know where else we can go with this. A MAJOR root cause of the doubts here, are the ID-thieves! Mother's Lament should be reminded of that on a regular basis! MAYBE she'll see Her own evil one of these days, and work on fixing it!

                      I frankly can't see what SPB would have had to gain by posting a porn link. It smells a LOT more, to me, of Tulpa stunts! And "The Big Lie" has been directed at me as well, started by Tulpa! "They say" that I admitted that I like to eat shit, but they can't link to where I posted it! That's why I sympathize with SPB... Probably (obviously I don't KNOW for sure) another Tulpa stunt. Mammary-Fuhrer the known ID thief wasn't around back then, but who knows if She'd be up to similar things, if She (Queen of the Internet Cesspools) knew that She could get away with it.

                      I'll stop tweaking Mammary-Fuhrer when She apologizes. On the rest of them, I'll have to see if I can cut back some. It's hard, you know!

            2. Let's just say that you are NEVER wrong in your assumptions and accusations, then! When you do your so-called "best" at speaking the truth as you know it! It's pretty sad, honestly.

              1. Ok, even if I am wrong, are you saying that justifies making shit up about other people? Is that it, SQRLSY? You don't like this charge I leveled on SPB, so you are going to libel someone else you don't like? Because maybe I was "wrong in my assumptions"?

                Please. Heal thyself, before telling me about humility. It takes some giant fucking balls to say that my testimony is an "assumption" that it justifies knowingly libeling another person.

                1. See Elon Musk and pedo lawsuit… https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50695593 … Elon Musk wins defamation case over 'pedo guy' tweet about caver

                  NOT libel! Empty-headed bullshit talk! Just like Sevo the Pedo calls anyone who proves Sevo wrong "spastic", etc.! WHY are you NOT utterly OUTRAGED the Sevo does this, all day, every day? Could it be... TRIBALISM?

                  1. "Just like Sevo the Pedo calls anyone who proves Sevo wrong "spastic", etc.!"

                    Oops. You just revealed what this is about. It isn't about SPB at all. Sevo has hurt your feelings telling you that you are Spastic. Rather than do what dozens of other people have done, and ignore him, you have decided to try and hurt him more.

                    I get it now. I shamed SPB by pointing out that he spread Child Porn around. And you, who is so hurt by Sevo's constant trolling, decided you could use the same tactics.

                    Well I'm sorry, SQRLSY, I don't know what makes Sevo tick, or why he is the way he is. I have tried hard not to get in the middle of the constant shit slinging between you two. As far as I'm concerned, you two are the Taliban and Northern Alliance busily murdering each other, and as much as I wish the two of you would knock that shit off, I've never been interested in dirtying myself getting in the middle of it.

                    Unfortunately, you went and made your fight *my* fight. You could have continued shouting names at each other all day long, but instead you decided to normalize the accusation of trafficking in CP. Again, I could care less that you and Sevo talk shit about each other. What I care about is that you saw that accusing someone of trafficking CP to work, and now you want to punish someone you don't like. I'd shame you, but this really indicates that you are not in a mind to feel shame.

                    Look man, I've been there before, back in middle school. It sucks when you can't get along with mean kids, and they can be dicks. I don't know if you knew this, but they came after me for awhile on this site, as well. Ignoring them was the best thing that ever happened. Instead you let them get to you, and you continue to lower yourself to their level. And rather than just wallow in those mud pits, you are now trying to draw me in.

                    No. Thank. You.

            3. So I'm trying to forthrightly SHOW empty-insult-slinging people what it is like to be constantly hounded by other people who want to "refute" what they have to say, by slinging lies or most-likely lies (unverifiable statements).

              What (of any positive value) are YOU doing, by constantly hopping on the Buttplug-is-a-pedo bandwagon?

              Are you...

              '1) Bringing him to justice?

              '2) Refuting what he writes?

              '3) Showing him what it feels like to be called a pedo, because HE is always calling others pedos? Do you think that he doesn't already KNOW what it feels like to constantly be called as pedo?

              '4) Making these comments any more of a joy to read?

              '5) Getting jollies for your "punishment boner", inflicting "punishment" anonymously?

              1. "What (of any positive value) are YOU doing, by constantly hopping on the Buttplug-is-a-pedo bandwagon?"

                I'm not jumping on any bandwagon. I have been clear with SPB2 since he started posting that I find his behavior repugnant. Since I was there at the time, and have children, I actually take it quite personally that SPB posted kiddy porn and ran away with his tail between his legs then had the gall to show back up a couple months later, pretending nothing happened. He is certainly within his rights to post, but I am equally within my rights to call him out for that bullshit.

                I actually didn't care, and said nothing about it, when SPB came back under another moniker. I merely engaged his arguments then. But when he started showing back up under the SPB2 handle, that was too much. Not only had he posted content that is abusive to minors, but he didn't even have the decency to let that identity die the shameful death it deserves. No, he is trying to resurrect the SPB name, just as Epstein tried to do after his short prison sentence.

                So what am I trying to do? I am trying to set a baseline of behavior that I will accept. And posting kiddy porn, and expecting everyone to just be ok with that after putting 2 after your name doesn't reach that baseline. *shrug*

                There is one thing that your handle brings, and that is the reputation it has earned. And SPB earned a reputation as a trafficker in kiddy porn. And if SPB2 isn't ACTUALLY the same person, then he should understand that he is coopting the reputation of a CP trafficker, and change the name accordingly.

                1. "And if SPB2 isn't ACTUALLY the same person, then he should understand that he is coopting the reputation of a CP trafficker, and change the name accordingly."

                  Agreed. If SPB1 really did that (I wasn't here to see it), then grabbing SPB2 as a handle is in bad taste. VERY bad taste! I'm glad to see that you're actually acknowledging that it might NOT be the same person. THAT is at least a WEE tad of humility! Kudos!

                  1. You know full well what Shrike did, and that both Buttplug 1 & 2 are his handles, you sick fuck.

                    You're dispicable.

                    1. "You're dispicable."

                      It's spelled "infantile".

                    2. "You know full well what Shrike did..." I don't know that, and neither do you! Did YOU steal his ID to do this? Known ID-thief?

                      Hey MammaryBahnFuhrer… How is Your new org coming along? Are You gaining many new converts and perverts to “Expert Christian Theologians for Identity Theft?” And where do we sign up for your newsletter?

                      In https://reason.com/2021/03/21/why-we-still-shouldnt-censor-misinformation/#comment-8818090 Mamma fesses to her being an identity-thief and sock!
                      chemjeff radical individualist
                      March.21.2021 at 4:27 pm
                      Uh oh, I think you left your sock on.
                      Reply
                      1. SQRLSY 0ne
                      March.21.2021 at 5:06 pm
                      Yeah, sigh.

                      Hey MammaryBahnFuhrer, Expert Christian Theologian! Did Jesus appear to You in a vision, and tell You that ID theft is a GREAT, wonderful thing? Or ARE You Jesus, returned to us, maybe?

                  2. " If SPB1 really did that (I wasn't here to see it), then grabbing SPB2 as a handle is in bad taste."

                    And? And I was justified in calling that person out as a CP poster. If they are choosing to assume that identity, then they should assume the shame of posting child porn, correct?

                    "THAT is at least a WEE tad of humility! Kudos!"

                    SQRL, if you knew what humility was, you'd be so embarrassed by your posting that you would log off and burn your computer. You are literally trying to shame me for "assuming" that someone posted CP, even though I was there when it happened. And your method of shaming is to make up the same lie about another person.

                    Consider that for a second. You are accusing someone of a *federal crime* because you think I am mistaken. That isn't humility. That is you thinking you are better than me. That is you thinking that it is OK for *you* to libel in order to counter (what you assume is) libel. Even if I were a liar, *you* are engaging in the practice of your enemies. You think it is ok for YOU to do what you hate...because why? Because you are good? better?

                    Spare me with your humility bullshit. It is a cloak of fog that you think hides your naked tribalism. It isn't working.

                    1. So you're back-pedaling now? A wee tad ago, you were admitting that you don't know for sure that "Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2" is the same person as "Sarah Palin's Buttplug" was. Above and beyond that, no one posting here knows FOR SURE that "Sarah Palin's Buttplug" really posted the porn link... It could have been Tulpa, with Tulpa's ID-stealing tricks, like sticking in an extra ASC II "hair space" in the ID-name. Or it could have been Mammary-Fuhrer, the known ID thief (but also a "Christian Theology Expert"). Hypocrisy and deception ABOUNDS around here!

                      Reason's moderator may have not cared to parse out the fine details, and just nuked the whole page, and banned "Sarah Palin's Buttplug" with or without hair-spaces, or with software that ignored hair spaces. I DON'T KNOW!!! And neither do YOU! And ***IF*** you had a modicum of humility, you'd admit that!

                      "You are accusing someone of a *federal crime* because you think I am mistaken."

                      I am showing empty-headed insult-throwers what it's like to have empty-headed insults thrown at them. I have just as much evidence (nothing but my accusation), at the end of the day, as you have against "Buttplug".

                      Imagine that you're buttplug, your ID got hacked, and "your" stuff got nuked. Wouldn't you be a WEE tad tempted to get a new, derivative handle just to say "fuck you" to Tulpa, or Mammary-Fuhrer, or whoever stole your handle? If you had EMPATHY, you could put yourself in Buttplug's shoes, imagining that this might be the case. Ethical people with empathy (and not knowing FOR SURE) would give that serious consideration.

                      If my ID had gotten hacked like this, I'd have moved on, and picked an entirely new handle. But I'm not Buttplug.

                      I don't know this FOR SURE, either, but I suspect this is all tribalism. If Buttplug was a Trump ass-kisser, none of the Trumpaloos would be making a big deal about maybe-he-posted-porn, or maybe-it-was-Tulpa-or-Mammary-Fuhrer.

                    2. "So you're back-pedaling now?"

                      No. I continue to make the same case. You are coming up with alternative theories of what happened, and rather than spend endless hours explaining why I know that in fact SPB2 is SPB, I am stating it doesn't matter. Even if SPB2 is merely a person co-opting the identity of SPB, it should be equally shamed.

                      "I am showing empty-headed insult-throwers what it's like to have empty-headed insults thrown at them. "

                      First of all, no you aren't. I have offered to deliver proof. Now you are making up a bunch of justifications of how it is that I am *mistaken*. Not how I made up an "empty-headed insult".

                      So in fact, you are being an arrogant ass, SQRLSY. You are lecturing me about humility as you claim the right *to make shit up* in retaliation for someone *maybe* being mistaken in what they saw happen. (Again, I was there and know what I saw. I am just pointing out that even if I *were* mistaken, you are not showing humility here, you are claiming a mantle of hubris.)

                      "I have just as much evidence (nothing but my accusation), at the end of the day, as you have against "Buttplug"."

                      You don't know what evidence I have. I offered to provide evidence I have, and asked if it is enough. You haven't answered me.

                      "I don't know this FOR SURE, either, but I suspect this is all tribalism. If Buttplug was a Trump ass-kisser, none of the Trumpaloos would be making a big deal about maybe-he-posted-porn, or maybe-it-was-Tulpa-or-Mammary-Fuhrer."

                      Unfortunately there are a couple problems with your statement.

                      1) You are not showing HUMILITY as you pretend to know what I would do if circumstances were reversed.

                      2) You show so much hubris that once again, you fail to note that you are talking to Overt, not one of the trumpaloos. They are not in my "tribe" any more than you are.

                    3. "You don't know what evidence I have. I offered to provide evidence I have, and asked if it is enough. You haven't answered me."

                      Again, I'll look at anything you send. And again, WHY is the following asking for TOO MUCH? "If you can prove that "Sarah Palin's Buttplug" (WITHOUT getting ID-hacked by Tulpa or Mammary-Fuhrer or some other lying, thieving, evil person) posted a child-porn link, AND that the real "Sarah Palin's Buttplug" is the same as "Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2"..."

                      "They are not in my "tribe" any more than you are..."

                      Yet you did the EXACT same thing that their (your) tribe does, when I posted the below! You denied it (without refuting ANY of the points made in the link), by essentially saying something like "anyone who quotes Salon is a lying, trolling asshole"). Anything not from YOUR tribe, has GOT to be false! Are you going to tell me that this is NOT tribalistic? Do I have to find your quote where you said that? If so... Will you humbly FESS UP if I find it?

                      https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
                      Trump’s Big Lie and Hitler’s: Is this how America’s slide into totalitarianism begins?

                      The above is mostly strictly factual, with very little editorializing. When I post it, the FACTS never get refuted… I only get called names. But what do you expect from morally, ethically, spiritually, and intellectually bankrupt Trumpturds?

                      Totalitarians want to turn GOP into GOD (Grand Old Dicktatorshit).

                2. OK, Overt, I'm beginning to question YOUR intelligence.
                  You seem to be missing the obvious and continuing evidence that you are under the mistaken impression that you are dealing with an adult.

                  1. This isn't about SQRLSY. Or you, for that matter.

                    1. OK, it seems to be about YOU.
                      YOU seem to fantasize that you can rationally argue with some infantile intellect and convince that sort of idiot by logic.
                      What sort of fool does that? Are you really so convinced of your ability to make a logical case that an assholic piece of shit like that will accept it?

                    2. Put more simply: Grow up; grown-ups do not attempt logical argument with kindergarten kids.

                    3. "Put more simply: Grow up; grown-ups do not attempt logical argument with kindergarten kids."

                      Nor do grown ups engage in the kind of shit slinging you do. Fuck man, not even kids do. What you are doing is reserved for monkeys. The day I take "growing up" lessons from you is the day I eat a bullet.

                      I am doing this for one reason: An asshole posted CP on this site and tried to strut back in pretending that it never happened. And SQRLSY, in his little spat with you, thinks he is being clever by trying to make that accusation become no less common than "Your Mom" jokes.

            4. "...Why should anyone listen to what you are rambling on about? Your actions speak larger than your rants. And your actions are: "I will intentionally, and knowingly libel my enemies if I don't agree with them. Even if that means normalizing behavior as despicable as child pornography.""

              You really have to keep in mind that you are dealing with an intellect barely above infantile; this is someone who probably still shits his pants.
              Tantrums are the default response to any input other than 'mommy loves me!'

              1. You resent the hell out of the fact that many other people are flat-out, better, more honest people than you are, right? More “live and let live”, and WAAAY less authoritarian?

                https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/in-love-and-war/201706/why-some-people-resent-do-gooders
                From the conclusion to the above…
                These findings suggest that we don’t need to downplay personal triumphs to avoid negative social consequences, as long as we make it clear that we don’t look down on others as a result.

                SQRLSY back here now… So, I do NOT want you to feel BAD about YOU being an authoritarian asshole, and me NOT being one! PLEASE feel GOOD about you being an authoritarian asshole! You do NOT need to push me (or other REAL lovers of personal liberty) down, so that you can feel better about being an asshole! EVERYONE ADORES you for being that authoritarian asshole that you are, because, well, because you are YOU! FEEL that self-esteem, now!

                1. You're nowhere close to a do-gooder, you're a chronic liar, a habitual troll, an authoritarian apologist and a pedophile defender. You're practically the opposite of a good person.

                  1. "Everybody knows" that a previous poster known as "Mother-Humper's Lament" posted child porn, and then the whole page's worth of comments were taken down! "Mother-Humper's Lament" then simply came back as "Mother's Lament", the cement-headed, AKA MarxistMammaryFuhrer.

                    Look everyone!!! I have now PROVEN (beyond a reasonable doubt) that MarxistMammaryFuhrer is a child-porn-posting pedo!!!!

                    1. What a sick fuck you are, because you have always known exactly what Shrike did, and you're still covering for him.

                  2. "What a sick fuck you are, because you have always known exactly what Shrike did, and you're still covering for him."

                    Some months back, Ken pointed out the excesses of STUPID; I am here to point out the excesses of TDS.
                    Our TDS-addled spastic asshole toddler is not alone in condemning any action by Trump, but the pathetic piece of infantile shit is unique in inventing fantasies to support his level of TDS, including (for whatever imbecilic reasons) arbitrarily accusing others of truly horrible acts.
                    I did seek legal help regarding this pathetic pile of shit's accusations, and, unless I'm willing to yield my anonymity, the steaming pile of shit is welcome to lie about you, me and everyone else who preferers anonymity.
                    There remains a simple solution, which I took a month or so ago:
                    MUTE THE ASSHOLE.
                    It's not as if s/he's ever posted anything worth your or my consideration as other than trolling. Further, it reduces steaming piles of shit from the thread you're reading.
                    Right up there in the upper, right corner: MUTE THE ASSHOLE.

          2. He got his nick banned for it which is why he now goes by '2', and Reason nuked the entire comments section for the article.

            But of course you know all this, you disgusting piece of shit. Your pretending not to know because you're covering for for a teammate. It's tribalism. He posted child porn links and you're lying about it because of tribalism.

            1. So you have no proof, either. What a surprise!

              Repeat the lie enough, and it become true, right, evil tribalist? The vote-stealing Demon-Craps are drinking the blood of good Christian babies, so now we can burn them like witches, right, death-and-destruction-luster?

              Hypocrite ID-stealing LIAR!!!

              1. The proof is the deleted article comments under the article, that has never happened before here, and the testimony of dozens of people here that witnessed it, you demented fuck.

                You're really doubling down on denying something that many, many people here witnessed, all because of tribalism.

                Fuck you for defending it, Sqrlsy.

                1. Many, many, MANY people in the Dark Ages KNEW that there were witches! They SAW the witches! They Spiritually KNEW that the witches cause still-births, crop failures, and illnesses, and they KNEW that the witches sacrificed babies to Satan! So they burned the witches and stole their properties, just like Mammary-Fuhrer endlessly repeats lies, to justify HER evils!

                  Hey Mammary-Fuhrer the Evil Cunt! You evil Trumpaloos have done the SAME shit, with respect to me and my supposed deliberate shit-eating!!! So I KNOW about EVIL ASSHOLES like You, Queen of the Internet Cesspools!

                  What does it gain a Chthonic Cunt, to lose Her soul, just to gain an Internet Cesspool? What are You going to DO with Your Reign over the Internet Cesspool?

                  So MarxistMammaryBahnFuhrer the tribalist witch-burner…
                  So how long till you feel that you’ve built up your tribalistic lies enough, sufficient for you to be justified when you come over here and kill me, and steal my property? Why do you want to steal my property? I DO own MANY books, but they are CLEARLY too long and complex for you to read and comprehend!

                  1. Yes, but you're an actual fucking witch, Sqrlsy, and you know it.

                    1. So when are You and the Trumpaloos coming over to kill me and steal my shit?

                      I say again... Why do you want to steal my property? I DO own MANY books, but they are CLEARLY too long and complex for you to read and comprehend!

                    2. Killing people is what you lefties do, Melvin. Quit projecting.

            2. I think he is lying about it for pleasure.

        2. You're replying to a narcissistic, spastic asshole whose sole concern is himself. It should be obvious from his rantings that the world exists for his entertainment and any harm caused to others can be blithely ignored.
          He needs to get fucked often with rusty garden implements.

        3. None of the narcissists in the commentariat have spoken out against the poster of the kiddie porn.

          1. Have you “puppets for trolling” ever considered that your spasms of outrage (at your ideological opponents) might actually be attracting MORE attention to their ideas? I am slightly tempted to make a “sock” for myself (like Tulpa and Mammary-Fuhrer like to do) and call myself “Sarah Palin's Buttplug 3”… Then I can attract endless legions of morons barking like dogs, and caw-caw-cawing like crows, with endless sounds of fury indicating nothing but empty-headedness!

            But then I could post some MOST excellent web pages (that actually contain… PREPARE yourselves now… IDEAS instead of grade-school-level, unfounded insults!) like…

            http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Do_Gooders_Bad/ and http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Jesus_Validated/ .

            … And SOME more astute and intelligent readers might actually READ them!

            1. Sooo, you would willingly style yourself as the third coming of a known pedophile? That would seem to be not the most intelligent decision in the world... then again it is you we're talking about here.

              1. "... known pedophile?" You have PROOF??! And you are SITTING on it, doing NOTHING!?!? NOT taking it to court?!? What kind of anti-justice, evil asshole are YOU?

                Or are you like your hero, Sidney Powell?

                https://reason.com/2021/03/23/sidney-powell-says-shes-not-guilty-of-defamation-because-no-reasonable-person-would-have-believed-her-outlandish-election-conspiracy-theory/
                Sidney Powell Says She’s Not Guilty of Defamation Because ‘No Reasonable Person’ Would Have Believed Her ‘Outlandish’ Election Conspiracy Theory

                Which particular lies are you wanting to hear and believe today, hyper-partisan Wonder Child?

          2. Like this TDS-addled spastic piece of shit, the sole principle involved with the sorry lot of them has to do with tribe; that and that alone determines good or evil.

            1. MASSIVE projection here from Sevo the Pedo, who has NEVER met ANY aspect of the "R" Party, or Der TrumpfenFuhrer, that Sevo the Pedo does NOT like! Endlessly lusting after 1-party, "R" party rule! Even though NONE of the Trumpaloos here can EVER trot out ONE SINGLE EXAMPLE of a 1-party state that provided long-term peace and prosperity!

              https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
              Trump’s Big Lie and Hitler’s: Is this how America’s slide into totalitarianism begins?

              The above is mostly strictly factual, with very little editorializing. When I post it, the FACTS never get refuted… I only get called names. But what do you expect from morally, ethically, spiritually, and intellectually bankrupt Trumpturds?

          3. Give spb time, he'll do it again.

            CP traffickers are always repeat offenders.

        4. Are you telling me Biden supporters are okay with pedofiles? What a shock

          1. I see! So you’re saying that the Intergalactic Sub-Smegmonic Boogoidian-Strawmen-Hybrids have deployed booger-beams (Those unspeakable BASTARDS) and have hijacked your tinfoil hat! You have my sympathies, but no more… I have no good advice for you, sorry! Other victims of the Intergalactic Sub-Smegmonic Boogoidian-Strawmen-Hybrids that I have known? They all ended up on Skid Row, and I could NOT help them!

            1. It's not strawmen when it actually happened here, you piece of shit.

              1. Mammary-Fuhrer is a necrophiliac! Pass it on!

              2. Am beginning to think they are the same person. Or at least engage in the same activity.

                1. Chumpy Chump the toddler-humper is the one and the same as Der TrumpfenFuhrer, Destroyer of Democracy! Pass it on!

                  1. Honest question. Everyone here despises you and thinks you're a retard. Nobody thinks you're witty or funny, just a shitposting troll. Even the members of your "tribe".
                    Almost all your interactions here are overwhelmingly negative.

                    So why are you here? Do you like being hated? Do you get a kick out of being told to 'fuck off' by dozens of different people a day?

                    1. Read or at least skim the following 2 web pages for a DETAILED explanation of WHY some folks fight back against the Jesus-killers, Mahatma Gandhi-killers, Martin Luther King Jr.-killers, etc. Against people like YOU, oh Servant of the Evil One! But I know... You're gonna refute it all by NOT reading it! Ignorance-worshipping, evil-worshipping Queen of the Cesspools!

                      There’s very little good news in there for the INDIVIDUAL teacher. What little good news in this phenomenon is that AFTER we have killed the teacher, THEN we often at least START to listen to what they had to say!
                      My tribe’s lies leading to violence are GOOD! YOUR tribe’s lies leading to violence are BAD! That describes YOU, EvilBahnFuhrer the Jesus-Killer! That is why you and some of your fellow troglodytes hate me!

                      Examine your SOUL, EvilBahnFuhrer the Jesus-Killer! What gains it a EvilBahnFuhrer the Jesus-Killer, to win the world, and ALL of the echo chambers, if EvilBahnFuhrer the Jesus-Killer loses Her SOUL?

                      See http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Jesus_Validated/ and http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Do_Gooders_Bad/

                    2. "...So why are you here? Do you like being hated? Do you get a kick out of being told to 'fuck off' by dozens of different people a day?"

                      Same reason toddlers do; tantrums get attention. And an opportunity to act-out in front of adults.

                    3. If Sevo the Pedo was as "adult" as it thinks that it is, it would be able to refute THIS:

                      https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
                      Trump’s Big Lie and Hitler’s: Is this how America’s slide into totalitarianism begins?

                      The above is mostly strictly factual, with very little editorializing. When I post it, the FACTS never get refuted… I only get called names. But what do you expect from morally, ethically, spiritually, and intellectually bankrupt Trumpturds?

                      Totalitarians want to turn GOP into GOD (Grand Old Dicktatorshit).

                    4. "Jesus-killers, Mahatma Gandhi-killers, Martin Luther King Jr.-killers, etc"

                      So Sqrlsy the shitposting troll and serial harasser compares himself to Jesus, Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr.

                      I'm not sure if any of them defended posting deepweb kiddie-porn links on comment boards like you do, Sqrlsy.

                    5. "When I post it, the FACTS never get refuted"

                      It's been point-by-point refuted by over a dozen different people here, many, many times, you chronic liar.

                      And every time someone refutes it you ghost the thread, only to pop up on another claiming nobody refutes it. You're so amazingly dishonest.

                    6. None of them blessed witch-burning, Jesus-killing, Mahatma Gandhi-killing, or Martin Luther King Jr.-killing like You do, Oh Regal Queen of the Internet Cesspools! WHEN are You going to QUIT, Oh Regal Queen?

                    7. Regal Queen of the Internet Cesspools refutes ALL non-Mammary-Fuhrer-compatible things by NOT reading it! Or by merely saying "not from MY Tribe"!

                      Hey Mammary-Fuhrer... Your evil shit is "not from MY Tribe"!

                    8. "When I post it, the FACTS never get refuted"

                      Taking whine lessons from Misek, I see.

                    9. Yes, Misek, Mammary-Fuhrer (AKA "Mother-Humper's Lament" who posted child porn), Sevo the Pedo, and SmegmaLung, DO all whine a WHOLE shit-load about nothing other than their own constant lies!!!

                    10. You can't even argue any more. Just relegated to calling names like an angry drunk.

                      How pathetic.

                    11. "You can't even argue any more. Just relegated to calling names like an angry drunk..."

                      Open some evidence otherwise, but AFAIK, the TDS-addled spastic asshole hasn't offered anything an adult would consider an "argument" in the entire time I've been here.
                      Toddlers don't 'argue'; they throw tantrums. And shit their pants.

                    12. Hey Sevo the Pedo! Here is your BIG CHANCE to be a Hero of ALL of the Trumpaloos, and DEMONSTRATE your rational, data-driven, adult nature, and refute the below! With something OTHER than, "It's not from MY Tribe, so it can't be true", or, Mammary-Fuhrer-like, "I refute it by NOT reading it"!

                      https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
                      Trump’s Big Lie and Hitler’s: Is this how America’s slide into totalitarianism begins?

                      The above is mostly strictly factual, with very little editorializing. When I post it, the FACTS never get refuted… I only get called names. But what do you expect from morally, ethically, spiritually, and intellectually bankrupt Trumpturds?

              3. Sbp literally posted child porn. Biden literally molested his daughter.
                Do these people not get that?

                1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland has PROOF of these things with high-fidelity, unadulterated video, and COULD take it to court, winning a solid VICTORY for Truth, Justice, and the American Way... But can NOT, because of mind-control beams from the Lizard People!

                  The Lizard People ALSO screwed over Sidney Powell, using these same dastardly methods!

                  https://reason.com/2021/03/23/sidney-powell-says-shes-not-guilty-of-defamation-because-no-reasonable-person-would-have-believed-her-outlandish-election-conspiracy-theory/
                  Sidney Powell Says She’s Not Guilty of Defamation Because ‘No Reasonable Person’ Would Have Believed Her ‘Outlandish’ Election Conspiracy Theory
                  Which particular lies are you wanting to hear and believe today, hyper-partisan Wonder Child?

                2. Squirrel gets it. And wants more of it. Hence the displayed behavior here.

                  1. Chumpy Chump the Toddler Humper makes sure that the little tykes get it!

                    Chumpy Chump for ABSOLUTELY sure, likes to distract attention away from the SERIOUS dangers of Der TrumpfenFuhrer and His Trumpaloos taking down democracy!!! Let's talk shit-eating and totally unproven allegations of pedophilia, or Lizard People, or ANYTHING other than the dangers of a 1-party "R" state!

                    https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
                    Trump’s Big Lie and Hitler’s: Is this how America’s slide into totalitarianism begins?

                    The above is mostly strictly factual, with very little editorializing. When I post it, the FACTS never get refuted… I only get called names. But what do you expect from morally, ethically, spiritually, and intellectually bankrupt Trumpturds?

                    Totalitarians want to turn GOP into GOD (Grand Old Dicktatorshit).

                    1. *Calls people 'Marxist'*
                      *Posts Salon Magazine articles*

                      ᛋᛋqrlsy doesn't know what Marxist means I guess.

                    2. Mammary-Fuhrer is a hide-bound Marxist 'cause She will NOT support Section 230! Prove me WRONG, MarxistMammary, by saying that You have made a MISTAKE (OMG!!! The Horrors of THAT!!!), and that You now support the "1A of the Internet Era"?

                      "Christian Theology Expert", my ass!!!!

                      The Gospel according to MarxistMammaryFuhrer:

                      MammaryBahnFuhrer can’t refute the FACTS, as usual… What a surprise!

                      Lusts-after-your-web-sites Marxist “Christian Theological Expert” MammaryBahnFuhrer thinks that one of the Ten Commandments read as follows:

                      Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s. Unless thy neighbor art a corporatist in Thine Righteous Eyes, in which case, Thou shalt steal ALL of their stuff & shit, howsoever Thy Power-Hungry Right-Wing Wrong-Nut Marxist Heart may desire.

                  2. See? Tantrums.
                    Infantile 'intelligence'; what you get when you deal with a misbehaving child still not potty-trained.

                    1. Do you recall the awesome enchanter named “Tim”, in “Monty Python and the Search for the Holy Grail”? The one who could “summon fire without flint or tinder”? Well, you remind me of Tim… You are an enchanter who can summon persuasion without facts or logic!

                      So I discussed your awesome talents with some dear personal friends on the Reason staff… Accordingly…

                      Reason staff has asked me to convey the following message to you:

                      Hi Fantastically Talented Author:

                      Obviously, you are a silver-tongued orator, and you also know how to translate your spectacular talents to the written word! We at Reason have need for writers like you, who have near-magical persuasive powers, without having to write at great, tedious length, or resorting to boring facts and citations.

                      At Reason, we pay above-market-band salaries to permanent staff, or above-market-band per-word-based fees to freelancers, at your choice. To both permanent staff, and to free-lancers, we provide excellent health, dental, and vision benefits. We also provide FREE unlimited access to nubile young groupies, although we do firmly stipulate that persuasion, not coercion, MUST be applied when taking advantage of said nubile young groupies.

                      Please send your resume, and another sample of your writings, along with your salary or fee demands, to ReasonNeedsBrilliantlyPersuasiveWriters@Reason.com .

                      Thank You! -Reason Staff

                    2. The "Tim" copypasta always comes out when Sqrlsy realizes he's lost, and decides to rage quit.

                    3. Mammary-Fuhrer, send samples of Your Holy Queen of the Internet Cesspool Writings RIGHT AWAY to ReasonNeedsBrilliantlyPersuasiveWriters@Reason.com !!! You are sitting on an un-tapped GOLD MINE, I am tellin' ya!

                    4. "The "Tim" copypasta always comes out when Sqrlsy realizes he's lost, and decides to rage quit."

                      Have a hard time recognizing the sewage-spouting as 'staying' vs 'quitting', and the spastic piece of TDS-addled shit never does quit.
                      'Tantrums are us'!

                    5. Kind of a heckler’s veto. Except verbal heckling doesn’t have a mute option.

      3. Well, look how far this has gone so far. Mission accomplished. SQRLSY One the resident trolling shit poster. What a waste of space.

    2. To help address such challenges while also promoting conservation, PERC recently launched a new tool to reward landowners for providing wildlife habitat, funded entirely by local groups interested in conserving iconic Yellowstone wildlife. Last fall, we partnered with one ranch family to create the state's first-ever "elk occupancy agreement"—a voluntary contract that compensates the family for setting aside 500 acres of land as winter habitat for the valley's migratory elk herds.

      If the compensation's good, then that sounds like quite a PERC, eh? 🙂

      To get to your original topic, yes, a lot of TV is like that and I went years without watching in the Nineties, but ever since I discovered streaming last year, I've also discovered many great historical and scientific documentaries from which to learn much.

      Netflix, Disney +, Tubi.tv, and Pluto.tv all have great documentaries and Sling and Hulu look promising too. Even on HDTV rabbit ears, I've discovered great documentary channels like QuestTV and programs like Life 2.0.

      News on streaming TV is more diverse than it once was in the days of three networks, a couple of independents, and PBS. Both major networks and stations like NewsMax, One America News, Glenn Beck, and The Young Turks have boats in the stream. Even where I don't agree with the slant, I'll watch to develop an edge and get the mental ball moving. (See what I did there?)

      As for entertainment, you'd love all the Lego movies and shorts out there, as they are absolutely rift with the funniest groaner puns! The better movies and TV series from the past all find a home in the streaming world too.

      Newton Minow's "vast wasteland" has become Town and Country and Country Come To Town and a New Atlantis and The Final Frontier all at the same time!

      You don't have to live there and shouldn't of course, but it is a much more welcoming place than you may have experienced in the past.

      Try it, yoi'll like it!- 1972-Alka-Seltzer Commercial
      https://youtu.be/9qdfMYFl0Ic

  2. It takes two writers to write about a television show?

    1. Three more than it does for the actual show.

  3. I wouldn’t mind living in the real Paradise Valley, if it weren’t for the winters. My significant other doesn’t care for that kind of cold.

    1. Paradise valley is overpriced and overran with Californians. There's plenty more of Montana just as beautiful and a hell of a lot cheaper.

      1. And it isn't the cold, it's the wind that'll get you.

  4. "And in 2020, Colorado voters approved a ballot measure to reintroduce wolves in the state—in what amounted to a stark urban-rural split—angering rural residents who will bear the costs."

    The only "fair" way is to begin reintroducing wolves first where the majority of local voters approve, e.g. Denver and Boulder counties. Let the hipster vegans offer up their pets and small children.

    1. "Let the hipster vegans offer up their pets and small children

      Don't give them ideas. They're only an NPR article away from sacrificing to Moloch already.

      1. *Soft, unobtrustve, ambient NPR voice* "So, you've got your first-born male child and your nubile teen daughter and Scruffy the dog all ready to offer to the Babylonian harvest god...Hmm!...Hmm!...Hmm!..."

        1. Now see? I don't pick on JHVH-1/Allah exclusively. He's just one of a whole line-up of asshole gods and goddesses who, thank The Void, do not exist.

          1. The void doesn't exist!

            *tips Cappello romano*

            1. Nice hat, but, it's not that a vacuum cannot exist. Rather, it's just that it takes a massive amount of energy to maintain an artificial vacuum.

              1. Ah, but you said void. Not vacuum.

                A vacuum is devoid of matter but not energy or space-time if I remember correctly. And a vacuum does not mean that the curvature of space-time is necessarily flat: a gravitational field can still produce curvature in a vacuum in the form of tidal forces and gravitational waves.

                *tips bourrelet hat*

      2. What do you think the abortion sacrament is?

        1. Yes, but it isn't compulsory yet.

        2. Per Einstein, matter is just slowed-down energy, if a vacuum is an absence of matter, than it is also an absence of energy, as well as an absence of tides to wave and objects to produce and be affected by gravity. Also, the definition of void includes vacuum, so if a void does not exist, than neither does a vacuum for "Nature to abhore." It's all distinction without difference.

          And since 99 + percent of the known Universe is void/vacuum, if one is to believe that a God created the Universe, then, comparatively speaking, he didn't really create much.

          *Tips invisible fedora.*

    2. Our family hunting grounds are in northern colorado, where wolves have already been encroaching. The wolves have cleared out the elk herds- they now run farther south. For the first time in 20 years, the hunting party came out with no deer (which do not migrate like the elk).

      Colorado's elk hunting has been a huge attraction to the state, and a major source of funds. The CO Department of Parks and Wildlife has used the funds to preserve habitats, manage state parks and safeguard the state's wildlife. If you are walking a trail in Cherry Creek, Chatfield, Roxborough, or Eldorado, you may have paid for the Starbucks and your hiking pants, but hunters paid about 70% of the costs of trail management. If you see deer, herons or falcons, that is because hunters have funded the preservation of that habitat for decades.

      The city dwellers who passed this law acted with a level of assholery that will only be matched in 10 years by their cluelessness when state revenues cannot fund their morning coffee walks with the girls any more.

      1. Tranq some wolves and drop them off in the city/suburbs at 4 am

    3. Had an argument years ago with a relative who was an anti-wolf hunt activist. The people in Michigan’s UP were complaining about the increased wolf population and the resulting incidents of wolves attacking pets and livestock. She just didn’t understand that wolves will expand their territories once they reach a certain density. She lived in a big city and never had to deal with the problem.

      1. Killing pumas in CA has been illegal for long enough now that they do not fear humans. Now, the humans must fear them.

      2. She soon may, not with wolves since they avoid urban areas but with coywolves who have little issue residing in city parks and other green patches. Then again she may welcome them if they keep the rat population in check.

    4. That might cause them to paws their campaign.

      1. Until they find an Escape Claws for their gentrified lair, they vulpine for the pre-campaign days.

  5. "But part of its appeal is how it features real-world issues facing heartland communities—topics that are often unfamiliar, or poorly understood, by coastal critics who might perceive Yellowstone as lowbrow."

    Yeah, those stupid lowbrow things like how to produce food and energy--not just in theory but in truckloads and megawatts. The ignorant irony is that the dependency of urban on rural people only runs one way.

    1. It runs both ways. You think rural people manufacture their own pickups, tractors, firearms, electricity, fuel, fertilizer, all out of cattle bred out in the boonies?

      Get real.

      1. Electricity, fuel, fertilizer aren't manufactured in heavily urban areas.
        No city is going to have a oil refinery, nuclear plant, hydroelectric dam or potash mine inside city limits.

        I would also argue that most of the new manufacturing plants are built near small towns rather than cities, to escape onerous municipal regulations.

        Skeptic is more right than wrong.

        1. You must have never been to Texas.

          1. There's a city with a refinery or a nuke plant in it in Texas?

            I was in Edmonton, Alberta last year and nearby Strathcona county and Sherwood Park have loads of refineries and upgraders in them, but there's nothing in the city and they're definitely in countryside even though they're very close to Edmonton..

      2. We’ll see who hurts more if the truckers go on strike.

        1. Or mortuaries. Remember the toilet paper shortage?

          Everyone is dependent on everyone. The only way to be truly independent is live stone-age style.

          1. "...Everyone is dependent on everyone..."

            Which is true and is also the reason that Newsom, shutting down 'non-essential' businesses, has lead directly to container-ship traffic jams, empty shelves, inflation, empty containers where they are needed and so forth.
            Stupid sumbitch thought he was smart enough to select which parts of the economy would be allowed to run without harming the rest.
            Beware: This asshole might be droolin' Joe's replacement.

            1. When was the last time Gavin Boy received the kind of reality check on his hubris that he’d be forced to heed? As a fellow Californian, I seriously CAN’T recall!

          2. No, there is dependent and then there is dependent. Sure your financial advisor for your IRA is important but that doesn't mean shit if the farmer isn't producing food to stock the shelves. One is a convenience the other essential to living at all.

            1. That "farmer" is likely Archer-Daniels Midland, or the equivalent, and believe me, their financial dept is every bit as important to them as their production dept.

              1. Bullshit. ADM buys from farmers, they don't grow it themselves, just purchase it and process it.

                1. Same for CHS, inc.

                2. Which makes zero difference.
                  Those farmers are subject to A-D M's financial decisions; farmers are no more removed from the financial markets than are those peddling smart phones.

      3. My eyes are opened. I always thought the Wyoming cowboy wrangling his herd in a blizzard, and the farmer sweltering in the sun to get his artichokes tended, did so out of simple altruistic love for the folks in NYC and LA.

    2. Yellowstone ? Never fucking heard of it.

      1. Perhaps Stone of Color?

        1. At first I thought it read: Jelly Stone. What can I say—I made a Boo Boo!

  6. I remember reading about some midwest scheme, private of course, which paid ranchers real compensation for livestock killed by wolves, coyotes, foxes, and other predators. Not so much compensation that ranchers would start breeding wolves a la Indian cobras and Indochina rats, but enough, and promptly enough, that ranchers no longer felt they had to shoot predators on sight.

    I also have some vague recollection of a different scheme putting up video cameras which city slickers subscribed to, the plan being to compensate for predation. But I don't remember even the most basic details, such as where the cameras would be or whether it was ever actually implemented.

    1. Oregon State University, University of Idaho and IDFG did a comprehensive study on wolf predation in the Salmon River Valley, and only about 40% of monetary loss was from killed animals. The largest loss was from aborted fetuses from wolves chasing the herd. Every calf you loose to abortion is a huge cut out of your paycheck. The saw herds with birthrates as low as 60%, whereas industry standard is around 90%. Conception rate is around 85% but you usually cull the opens before winter because who pays to feed an open cow?

      1. Birth weights were also severely depressed in wolf stressed herds, which increases calf death loss.

  7. "...Last fall, we partnered with one ranch family to create the state's first-ever "elk occupancy agreement"—a voluntary contract that compensates the family for setting aside 500 acres of land as winter habitat for the valley's migratory elk herds..."

    Gonna bet getting out of that agreement when it's no longer to the owner's advantage is like getting out of jail early...

    1. Sound the bugle!

    2. If there are too many Elks, just Lodge a complaint. (See? It’s really a no-moose proposition!)

      1. You done out Chumby'd Chumby!
        http://instantrimshot.com/
        I can only hope for such an accomplishment!

    3. Conservation easements and such are fairly new, and the case law on them is fairly unsettled.

  8. Media elites ignore the heartland-themed show, and the real issues behind it, at their own peril.

    What "peril" exactly are a bunch of billionaire-owned progressive propaganda outlets in from "ignoring" certain topics? Please do tell!

  9. Other similar free market arrangements are in the works in the valley, all with the same goal: to reward private landowners who voluntarily conserve habitat that does not benefit just them but also serves as a boon to Bozemanites and even faraway out of staters, many of whom may never vote the same way they would.

    To what degree are the Duttons actually private land owners? A lot of ranching involves ownership of a smaller piece of land and use of vast amounts of public land for ranching.

    1. You’ll have to ask the writers.

    2. Don’t know about the Duttons, but I have a lot of cattle ranchers in my family. All privately owned land with no use of BLM land.

    3. Depends on which part of the country you are in. Even in Montana it changes from county to county. And the reasons they have those grazing leases is because they had been using that land for decades before the government came in and created the BLM or USFS.

      1. Conservation easements and such are fairly new, and the case law on them is fairly unsettled.

  10. The Dutton's seem to take care of problems the American way..not the woke way. John Dutton is the Godfather...mfer!

  11. Tree-huggers and Endangered species "gang clubs" are nothing but [WE] mobs exercising their illegitimate criminal powers to go out and steal what others have created/earned.

    It all comes down to a [WE] gangs Power to Steal with Guns (Gov-Guns).

    Anyone truly interested in saving species waters and feeds them (i.e. WORKS and EARNS) and see's them daily; not a bunch of gun toting thugs from Detroit city central.

    People need to realize the only thing that separates government from any run of the mill group of people is those legal GUN-FORCES... We need gov-guns to ensure Individual Liberty and Justice. We DON'T need [WE] gangs using GUNS to oppress and get what self-entitled thugs think they want to TAKE! And that is the difference between leftard National Socialists (syn; Nazi's) and USA patriots. Whether the government and it's gun-force monopoly should be used to ensure Justice or used to Oppress and Steal and get one's lazy self-entitled *ss what it wants.

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