It's COVID Year 3 and the CDC Is Still Confused and Confusing
Plus: Conspiracy theory research, student loan forgiveness, and more...

Trust the experts? If the pandemic were high school, we'd be juniors by now. Yet the fact that we've entered our third calendar year of full-blown pandemic—yes, technically it started in 2019, but the World Health Organization declared it a pandemic in 2020—feels surreal and almost unbelievable. While a lot has changed since early 2020, many things remain stubbornly and depressingly similar.
Schools are still closing without much warning, plagued by both politics and logistics. COVID-19 tests are still hard to come by. We're still arguing about how to keep people in jails and prisons safe. Shows and festivals are once again shutting down. Hospitals are being overwhelmed. Flights are getting canceled.
And public health officials still can't get it together. Their guidance is slow-moving, prone to flip-flopping, and weird, often out of line with scientific best practices, practical behavior, or both.
Take the latest from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), which since the start of the pandemic has been providing a master class in how to confuse the American public. For a long time, the agency recommended that Americans who test positive for COVID-19 quarantine for 10 days.
We now know that most infected people are not contagious for that long—here's a great thread about testing and contagiousness that elaborates on this. Which means that officials have been asking many people to disrupt their lives for days longer than is necessary.
We've known this for a while. So, last week—finally—the CDC shifted course from its 10-day recommendation, saying five days of isolation were sufficient.
"People with COVID-19 should isolate for 5 days and if they are asymptomatic or their symptoms are resolving (without fever for 24 hours)," the updated CDC guidance says. "The change is motivated by science demonstrating that the majority of SARS-CoV-2 transmission occurs early in the course of illness, generally in the 1-2 days prior to onset of symptoms and the 2-3 days after."
Great, right?
Welllllll…kind of. The agency forgot to include in its advice one important step: a negative COVID-19 test. Meanwhile, it did include some scientifically dubious (or at least incomplete) advice.
The CDC says infected people should follow isolation with "5 days of wearing a mask when around others to minimize the risk of infecting people they encounter." But cloth masks, no matter how well-fitting, likely aren't enough to stop transmission. Even common surgical masks may not do that; for effective mitigation, N95 masks are where it's at. Still, officials refuse to say much about what types of masks people should wear, instead preferring the simple but potentially dangerous message that general masking is protective. This gives people a false sense of security and—if they've read much about transmission and masking—makes the agency seem scientifically unreliable.
Meanwhile, something that actually is consequential for determining—and stopping—potential contagiousness is whether a rapid antigen test comes back negative. Yet this was left out of the CDC's updated advice last week.
Now, top White House COVID-19 adviser Anthony Fauci says the CDC is considering updating its recommendation to say that a five-day isolation period and a negative rapid test are recommended.
The paucity of rapid tests in America may explain why the CDC didn't put that in its new guidance already. Unlike in Europe, rapid tests here remain hard to come by and relatively expensive. And why? Once again, we can blame the federal government. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has been painfully slow to approve new rapid tests.
Regardless of why the CDC didn't recommend testing before ending isolation, the result is once again making the agency appear wavering and unsure.
The oversight—and potential correction—marks the latest in a line of questionable CDC guidance, regarding everything from how the virus spreads to masking to what to do if you are infected. Since the start of the pandemic, messaging from the CDC and other government actors has been confused and confusing. At every step, it seems the agency has managed to undermine public confidence or put politics over clarity.
Is it any wonder many Americans aren't keen to simply "trust the experts" anymore?
(If you'd prefer to end on a more positive note, here's The New York Times with some ways that this point in the pandemic is not the same as two years ago and some reasons for hope.)
FREE MINDS
The conspiracy theory spiral. In two new studies, researchers found that "increases in conspiracy beliefs predicted subsequent increases in conspiracy beliefs, suggesting a self-reinforcing circle," write researchers in the journal Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin.
Conspiracy theories backfire:
People believe in conspiracy theories to address feelings of anxiety, but these beliefs only amplify the negative experience of anxiety, uncertainty aversion, and existential threat.
This creates a self-reinforcing cycle. https://t.co/yroNv5ZGDE pic.twitter.com/p4oitc5DJp
— Jay Van Bavel, PhD (@jayvanbavel) January 2, 2022
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The student loan forgiveness debate is raging again. In his newsletter, Matthew Yglesias—who formerly supported such action—makes good arguments against this plan:
The economy is not depressed, and instead the Federal Reserve is pivoting to fight inflation. That means student loan forgiveness in 2022 is a purely distributive issue — one that will shift resources from the majority of Americans with no student loan debt to the minority of Americans who have it.
Both the debtors and the non-debtors are highly heterogeneous groups, but it's pretty clear that the non-debtors are both more numerous and poorer on average.
So while there are certainly lots of individual cases where debt relief sounds like an appealing idea, under the current circumstances the case for broad debt relief has become extremely weak. There's basically no other situation in which progressives would talk themselves into this kind of idea, which is currently being propped up with some very odd math about the racial wealth gap.
But I'd also say that the discourse around this seems to me to be largely driven by a correct sense that the higher education finance system in the United States is messed up and bad. The problem is that the form of debt relief that is being contemplated — one with no forward-looking reforms and in which even the most dysfunctional or abusive institutions still get paid in full — won't fix anything about the system and could make it worse. Last but not least, I think the fascination with this idea represents a kind of unhealthy obsession with executive branch unilateralism. It's important to understand and exploit the powers of the presidency, but the thing that sane people want here is not achievable through those means. What you need is a legislative coalition for reform, and probably a bipartisan one at that.
More here.
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• The "plot" to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer was an FBI creation, argue defense lawyers for those charged with conspiracy.
• Violence against the government can sometimes be justified, say one-third of Americans polled by The Washington Post. This is up from 23 percent saying so in a 2015 poll and 16 percent back in 2010.
• Sixty-two percent of people in a recent CBS News poll say they don't want Donald Trump to run for president again:
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• States around the country are raising their minimum wages this week. "Starting Saturday, 20 states saw a rise in their minimum wages take effect, while New York's increase began Friday," notes CNN. (See also: "How Economists Learned to Love Minimum Wage Hikes.")
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• Dutch protesters stand up against new lockdown measures in the Netherlands.
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What to my wondering eyes should appear, but was Elizabeth Nolan Brown on Kelly Clarkson's show?
It looked like her from a distance on the TV in the nail salon in my store. Then again, it may have been the scent of nail polish remover fogging my brain.
If the pandemic were high school, we'd be juniors by now.
Some of us were held back, some of us to AP classes.
We're all getting shoved into lockers.
Thats why schools are removing AP classes to keep you with the others.
Get woke! We cannot allow student segregation by ability. Segregation is for anti-racism.
Schools are still closing without much warning...
No one expects the teachers union nonquisition.
Fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms!
And comfy chairs for the lounges.
Don't forget drying racks.
Rogan jumps to GETTR after Twitter suspended Dr. Malone for scientific posts that the government admits is true but infers causes harm and vaccine skepticism.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/did-joe-rogan-just-end-twitter-rogan-announces-hes-joined-twitter-competitor-gettr
Rogan got 8.5M followers the first 24 hours on the app.
I watched that interview last night. In a just world, Fauci would be fired and replaced with Malone.
Watching it now. His discussion on active government attacks and intentionally setting up trials to fail with ivermectin and HcQ is amazing.
It's notable that Malone and Taylor-Greene got their accounts nuked by the Twitter jannies for doing nothing more than directly quoting official government reports.
In an ideal world there would be no public health and if there was they would have no power.
And Gettr gets dropped by its server host, its DNS provider and its bank in 3...2...1...
Learn to love corporate fascism.
Shrike last night reminded people that the leftists changed the definition of fascism to just mean right wing nationalism.
They’ve been redefining the definition for 70 years.
File the serial number off of national socialism and leftists want it yesterday.
Fascism is the real life mature form of communism, no matter what Marxist theory says. See the People's Republic of China.
I've been bringing that up every time he quotes the Wikipedia definition of it. The whole communism/facism dichotomy is a false one that was created out of whole cloth by the former when the Nazis broke the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, and simply became conventional wisdom as it was promoted as the standard right/left extremist dichotomy in the schools for years (the Boomers/Gen-Xers here can probably recall seeing some form of that political line in middle school or high school worksheets).
The only real difference between the two was the former's devotion to international marxism, while the latter cleaved to a form of Bismarkian socialism that promoted nationalistic pride as its bulwark. But to the extent that the latter was considered "right-wing," it was only in its relative opposition to Marxism, not classical definitions of right and left-wing politics.
Yeah but why use historical facts when there’s propaganda you can use?
Well, sure, that was definitely the point. It wasn't until I actually read books about this stuff after college that I realized I'd been sold a line of bullshit. It was particularly reinforced by the New Left academics, who swallowed the neo-Marxists' argument that any path which didn't follow towards communism was going down the road to facism.
That’s the thing these idiot leftists don’t seem to understand. There is actual information out there that’s been around since before the internet, written in books, that they can’t just change to fit their narrative.
And some of us find history interesting for its own sake, not just as a tool to win arguments.
And some of us find history interesting for its own sake, not just as a tool to win arguments.
It's shockingly easy now to see who is actually knowledgeable about the subject matter, and who's simply regurgitating what they read on Wikipedia.
well, the classical (the terms only go back to revolutionary france) definition of 'right wing' is Royalist.
Liz Warren totally not involved.
b-but just make your own platform!
Libertarians are inept at dealing with serious authoritarians.
My wife’s uncle died this weekend. Got the vax, got the booster, got Covid, died of heart failure. In that order.
The entire left, including the fake libertarians of Reason, are suffering from the Mass Formation Psychosis he described.
^100%
symptoms include TDS among others.
Despite no confirmed deaths of kids woth omicron, schools across the nation shut down at the request of teachers. The Science seems to always align with The Left.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/schools-across-the-country-see-last-minute-closures-due-to-covid-19-staffing-issues
As much as I hate the NEA, this time it's really not their fault. This is completely because the CDC won't let go of the Test/Trace/Isolate regime, and so the schools don't have enough heads to get the kids to school or to teach them while they're there. The Superintendents are doing this with minimal input from the unions, because they have to.
The positivity rate across my state is almost 40% right now. Everyone has COVID. Everyone. I personally know at least 50 people that have tested positive in the past week and a half; pre-COVID they'd all be working through it, but they're home isolating for... reasons.
Thats why the focus in testing was always bullshit and I said so in Baileys articles here. It is a means to generate fear. Instead of focusing in death statistics such as age, obesity, etc, they focused on positive tests because everyone is can test positive there. Even if asymptomatic.
If you believed in equality, er, equity, you would not commit the sacrilege of differentiating people by actual, physical characteristics. Claiming that normal, young people have reduced risk is COVID privilege.
You mean except when it benefits a minority like anti viral in new york.
My wife and I both tested positive for Covid yesterday. Oh well, not the worst that we have been sick by a large margin. Should be past it soon
That's a lie. Wuflu is 100% fatal, you have died
Wrong, we are dying soon though. It is a long and painful death.
Same. Another anecdotal data point. We're all positive and the worst of it was a low grade flu for a 1/2 day. When are people going to wake up and move on?
And FTR, vaxed and boosted.
Wife and kid had it a couple weeks ago. Wife had low grade flu for about 18 hours, then nothing. Kid had low grade COLD symptoms for about 12 hours.
Wife was vaxxed, kid was not.
My other son and I were spared, despite my having been next to my wife in the bed for nearly the entire quarantine time.
"next to my wife in the bed for nearly the entire quarantine time"
Go on...
"Love In The Time of COVID"
If we tested for noravirus everyone and everything would test positive all the time. That is just one of the outcomes of the virus becoming endemic. It will always be with us getting passed around. Time to stop testing and accept it is here forever.
They're both complicit here--the NEA used the CDC as a shield to justify their stupid demands, and the school districts fell in line because Trust The Science!
School districts in numerous red areas, notably, told the CDC to go fuck itself and kept schools open and operating irrespective of what they or the teachers wanted.
the NEA used the CDC as a shield to justify their stupid demands
The longer this goes on the less likely I believe that to be true. The CDC is the most panicky organization of them all; the NEA/UFT gave them some cover to do what they would have preferred in a vacuum anyway.
the school districts fell in line because Trust The Science!
Absolutely. We're dealing with a class of people (educrats) whose professional prime objective is avoiding lawsuits. They need someone to cover their ass, so all pressure needs to be directed towards HHS and their supposed underlings at the CDC if we're ever to be past this garbage.
I'm willing to give Murphy some credit here - he's thus far been steadfast against Omicron panic, keeping the status quo and forcing the districts (and hospitals) to make their own decisions based on their own situations. But I really wish he was willing to start pushing back against guidance, even though I know that's not at all likely.
It has always been known that virologists have increased fear factors and expect all coughs and sneezes to be the Spanish flu. They are terrible experts.
Remember. The imperial model predicted 3 million american deaths the first year of clvid.
In related news, the teachers who neurotically demanded that schools be closed until such a time as whatever they happened to set the goalpost at was, are now leaving the profession in droves because these short-term thinking bitches can't handle the very working conditions they demanded be kept in place:
“I can’t do this to myself anymore”: Pandemic stress has propelled some Colorado teachers to leave the classroom
As anxiety, depression and thoughts of quitting rise among teachers, districts are taking small steps to help them cope.
Erica Breunlin
5:05 AM MST on Jan 3, 2022
Those motherfuckers sat on their couches for nearly the entirety of the 2020-21 school year. Many fought to not come back in the 21-22 school year either.
And they’re talking about exhaustion?
GTFO.
Our school had 3rd graders coming back reading at a K level again. It was devastating to see. The charter has many low income students whose parents couldn't work from home during the delays so they often were unsupervised.
Watching my 3rd grader on zoom had half the kids learn early on to claim they had mic/audio issues early in class to avoid paying attention.
In some defense of the public school environment, I'll say that what should have been noted with this little social experiment is how critical a structured, in-person learning environment is to ensure intellectual and emotional development in kids, if your goal is to support an educated, literate society. A virtual learning environment only ensures success for people who are already motivated self-starters, and kids who are already stretching their boundaries on a daily basis to find out what they can get away with doing, will find ways to slack off if their parents aren't constantly on the ball.
Yes, the classroom environment is glorified babysitting to an extent, but as we've seen, in a nation where that educational model is largely the status quo, it serves an important developmental purpose that is completely at odds with the technocrat's bugman vision of a society that's only connected through a computer screen. If the majority of parents are going to rely on that model to educate their kids, it needs to be in-person, not remote, ESPECIALLY at the primary school levels.
“….. were feeling the same kind of exhaustion…. that they typically feel at the end of the school year.”
Yeah man, after holiday break, mid winter break, (a real thing here in WA) and spring break, I don’t see how they survive until June at all.
Got a couple teachers in the family. All they did was bitch about funding and covid on Christmas. These people suck.
Did you use your trademark on them?
To be accurate, many of the resignations are from different teachers. Unfortunately, this includes many of the best, the most senior, and the ones who care most about the children and are most frustrated about the ineffectiveness of this remote learning. So, these are not necessarily the same people advocating and resigning.
Get rid of public schools. Problem solved.
The backlash against CRT is having parents fighting for a return to classical liberal education.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/forming-minds-crt-debate-has-some-conservatives-calling-for-a-return-to-classical-education
But chemjeff says the only bad thing about CRT is the backlash against it.
#RadicalIndividualistsForRacialCollectivism
If you haven't already, read "The Lost Tools of Learning," by Dorothy Sayers.
I just pulled my kid out of Catholic school, because even they are infected with progressive bullshit. Many of them use common core curriculum, and they're taught by lay teachers who were educated at progressive universities. My kids have never been taught by a Nun or a Brother. They've basically degenerated into expensive public schools with religion classes, and occasional Masses.
She's starting a classical homeschool program this week. She starts Latin tomorrow morning.
They've basically degenerated into expensive public schools with religion classes, and occasional Masses.
Yeah, there's no real advantage to private schools anymore because the teachers and administrators are pimping the same Marxist bullshit that they learned from their commie professors.
Homeschooling or forming a neighborhood/community educational co-op with like-minded parents is really the only way to ensure that you're not constantly having to deprogram your kids from the far-left stupidity they're being fed with every day.
I'd add that if you're saving money for your kids to go to college, knock that shit off because there's no way in hell they're going to get a balanced view in their classes, even in a lot of the science fields that are being infected with this bullshit.
If you really must save money for some long-term purpose for your kids after they graduate, tell them they can use it for a trade school, or better yet, take a couple of years off to travel or just work, and figure out what they want to do with their lives in the interim. That will spare them at least a couple of critical years of radical left brainwashing and peer pressure in the universities while their sense of identity is still cooking, and give them an education in navigating the real world that college deliberately retards in the interest of creating left-wing political activists.
Maybe save some of that money for a small business start-up.
If they wanted to do that, fine--I'm not one to encourage further consoooooooooomerism, but at least they'd hopefully be doing something productive with that money rather than subsidizing the lifestyles of academic Marxists.
529 don't have to be used on colleges. They can be used for certification or trade schools too.
Learn to code.
I remember a Nun or two threatening us students throughout grade school. Good times.
Get your kids out of public school, stat
"States around the country are raising their minimum wages this week."
That's terrible news for us Koch / Reason libertarians and our ongoing quest to provide cost-effective labor for our benefactor Charles Koch. Please note, however, that President Biden and the Democratic Congress have not raised the federal minimum wage.
#LibertariansForBiden
#CheapLaborAboveAll
That is a concern, OBL. Until now, all has been well with the Brandon administration.
This bears watching, but I doubt that it’ll catch on. Our low inflation environment just doesn’t justify it.
So I died from the Covid, 2 weeks ago*. I should have gotten the jab. I now regret every decision, I've ever made. But it is all right, everything is all right, the struggle is finished. I have won victory over myself. I love Big Brother.
*I got better.
*Clinks glass of gin and clovves.*
By some contrast, I got both Pfizer shots, the booster, a regular flu shot, never got COVID-19, but still managed to get a stomach virus for two days a week before Thanksgiving, racking up a horrible hospital bill, and still lived to hate that fat, moustachio-ed, Big Brother Son-Of-A-Bitch!
Your Miles May Vary.
DoD creates 50 step process for denial of religious exemptions for vaccines to get around a law requiring individualized review of exemptions. Denial form letter added in the first handful of steps.
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/navy-air-force-allegedly-issuing-blanket-denials-religious-exemptions
Step 1: notify religious person that religion is superstitious nonsense - denied.
Step 2: cull religious person from organization.
Your step 1 is step 50. But steps 1 through 49 are automated.
Step 35: MOST IMPORTANT STEP. Make sure the service member knows why they are a piece of shit.
I know some people in AZ who have gotten a medical exemption from a doctor who apparently specializes in helping people avoid the jab. For a fee.
A cottage industry. Gotta love capitalism. Hope it works for them.
...since the start of the pandemic has been providing a master class in how to confuse the American public.
They've been pretty consistent on one message, regardless of the data that we've all gathered.
Um, fear?
Get a jab. Then another. Then another. Then another.
They've apparently got AOC confused. She thinks she doesn't need to mask up anymore.
And doesn't she know Florida is the last place you want to be maskless. My god, she should know that DeSantis is no Cuomo when it comes to pandemic responses.
She went to a drag show. LGBT and BLM events don't spread covid. Stol being anti science.
When is a penis not a penis?
When you have Vietnamese women giving you Brazilian waxes.
Ah, the wonders of globalization.
Where do you get that done? Asking for many friends...
When your AOC's borfriend.
I'd be surprised if he still has a penis. I wouldn't want any part of my body near those horse teeth.
Youre just mad you can't date her.
Dating generally involves a certain level of conversation. I wouldn't want to date AOC.
I’d still hit it with a bag over her head. That body is nice.
This is called the Dirty Cortez.
Back to ENB copy and paste of yegalsias.
The guy who bragged about gaslighting readers into thinking tax cuts didn't help them.
This guy has been slinging bullshit for 20 years, going back to when he started blogging in 2002. Anyone who doesn't know by now that Matty is a fork-tongued snake that will say whatever he thinks will get him attention is simply obtuse.
What's so obnoxious about Matty's post here is that he's simply stating the obvious--a student loan debt jubilee isn't primarily going to help the poor, who rarely attend college and when they do, they typically start at cheaper community colleges rather than Big State University, which really is over-priced shit.
This is designed primarily as a payoff for the left-wing activists of the upper-middle and lower tiers of the upper class for their advocacy in the service of advancing Marxist ideologies. It's meant as a reward for their political activism, nothing more.
The demand for student loan debt forgiveness is also nothing less than a tacit admission that college degrees aren't worth the return on investment anymore. It's pointless to argue that degree holders earn more money over their time in the workforce if you have to squawk for the government to clear the debt bill that YOU knowingly signed.
In fact, rather than debt relief of any kind, I'd go through the demographic lists on the federal loan ledger, find those listed as "white" in fields like journalism, humanities, and social sciences, cross-reference their social media accounts, jack up the interest rates on the leftists even further, call it "reparations," and tell them to go fuck themselves when they squeaked about it.
If we want more of something, subsidize it. If we want less, tax it.
Hopeless student loan debt is a tax on stupid. Do we really want to subsidize stupid instead?
Go to almost any university or community college. All the staff are Progressives and they are in the business of making as many of the students Progressives as well.
This isn't about student debt so much as fueling the machine.
This isn't about student debt so much as fueling the machine.
The fact that it pays armies of Diversity Directors and functions as a convenient money laundering scheme worth hundreds of billions of dollars is just the icing on the cake.
^
I went back to College when I was in my 30's. I had an English instructor who was an asshole. He didn't like the Military and I was a Vet. He was going for his Masters in Romance Languages and kept talking down the Engineering Students. A few years after graduation, I was starting a new job. On the way there was a drive through coffee shop. I stopped to get a cup and guess who was working the window?
Sarcasmic?
Albert Einstein?
AOC?
She would have picketed your change
They could levy a special one time "tax" on college endowments at whatever rate is necessary to issue checks to everyone who paid off their student loans, then use the remaining balance to pay off existing student debt proportionally, then pass a constitutional amendment against any future federal loan guarantees.
Bonus points for also 'taxing' all campaign accounts of democrat politicians.
a correct sense that the higher education
financesystem in the United States is messed up and bad.However, the financing is probably one of the drivers of this runaway cart. It's a positive feedback loop. Probably needs to be attacked in all aspects at once.
I smell a 3,500 page Comprehensive Reform Bill to exacerbate the problem.
The CDC's actions are only confusing if you're somehow still under the delusion that what they're doing has anything to do with health.
Even when Reason looks like they’re starting to get it, they still don’t get it.
Violence against the government can sometimes be justified, say one-third of Americans polled by The Washington Post.
Talk about burying the lede! The real news here is that two-thirds of Washington Post survey participants think we should still be ruled by the Queen.
In two new studies, researchers found that "increases in conspiracy beliefs predicted subsequent increases in conspiracy beliefs, suggesting a self-reinforcing circle..."
Yeah, that's what they want you to think.
They're not even calling them "theories" anymore?
The accepted narrative is the truth. You can't have theories when the truth has already been proved.
The biggest conspiracy theory of all:
Free markets are a conspiracy to keep you down.
Having to work for stuff is racist!
You’re supposed to woke for it instead.
The public believes that dysfunctional highly regulated markets are free markets. They believe that freedom is the reason for failure and more regulations are the solution. The fact being that the regulation is the reason for the failure in the first place.
Healthcare is a great example.
^
The "plot" to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer was an FBI creation...
Not one of our cherished institutions. I refuse to believe it.
Thank God this couldn't happen at other events like jan 6th.
Ray Epps for the win.
Who is Ray Epps?
—Reason staff
The more videos forced by judges to be released the worse it looks for the fbi and government. Who were the initial 6 black clad people who unlocked all the doors while security simply watched?
^
Who is Ashlii Babbitt?
--Reason staff
Haha, no kidding--this guy is on video MULTIPLE times trying it incite a riot, and he's notably never been charged with jack shit.
People may have forgotten that Epps was also at the Bundy standoff trying to incite a firefight before Old Man Bundy realized what he was doing and told him to fuck off. He's clearly a federal asset whose purpose is to foment violence so the feds have an excuse to crack down.
Violence against the government can sometimes be justified, say one-third of Americans polled by The Washington Post.
By government they mean those who are slow mailing out the checks.
Sixty-two percent of people in a recent CBS News poll say they don't want Donald Trump to run for president again...
It would be too triggering.
So the 2024 election is over now?
Still being fortified through lawsuits and ending the filibuster.
And I'm guessing their polling was the population of Manhattan
It would be hysterical to watch Hillary lose to Trump again. I just don't think the comedy is worth it.
The "plot" to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer was an FBI creation, argue defense lawyers for those charged with conspiracy.
Speaking of conspiracy theories....
It doesn't help your case much when your "conspiracy theories" keep turning out to be the truth.
Like I've said before, there isn't a terrorist plot that the FBI has broken up that they weren't fomenting themselves.
States around the country are raising their minimum wages this week.
In a giveaway to touchscreen manufacturers.
The robots are breaking out the good synthetic oil for their victory party.
Goodbye "genetically modified" food, hello "bioengineered" food.
You know who else was bioengineered?
SuperMighty Mouse?Scott Evil?
Spiderman?
Joe Biden?
Meh. Fuck him.
Soviet olympic womyn?
Dogs?
A black man’s cock?
Number 12?
Everything living that man has ever domesticated on Earth.
Fortunately I get my guidance from the columns here at Reason, which have been paragons of clarity and consistency.
My kingdom for a sarcasm font!
Everyone except Dee can tell that was sarcasm.
The problem with sarcasm is that in 3 days it becomes prophecy.
That means student loan forgiveness in 2022 is a purely distributive issue — one that will shift resources from the majority of Americans with no student loan debt to the minority of Americans who have it.
As opposed to previous years.
In the name of equity, I assume we will soon see a companion initiative to forgive payday loans, rent-to-own furniture contracts, and discount used car notes.
It's important to give lots of money to people who always have to borrow money. They're the ones who need it the most.
Well, if the feds offered to pay off the rest of my mortgage... i wouldn't say no. I don't need them to, but i figure they've stolen at least that much from me in taxes, so i won't feel bad if they did.
More equity in financing all across the board!
Dutch protesters stand up against new lockdown measures in the Netherlands.
Now even the Dutch have more balls than Americans.
PREDICTION: The women protesters will end up paying all the fines
Its closure comes "days after police raided and arrested seven people for sedition at a separate pro-democracy news outlet..."
They tried to report on VAERS?
Read out of context, that almost sounds like domestic news. I had to look for the quote to make sure it wasn't.
It’s not fascism when our government does it.
— Lying Jeffy
"The conspiracy theory spiral. In two new studies, researchers found that "increases in conspiracy beliefs predicted subsequent increases in conspiracy beliefs, suggesting a self-reinforcing circle,"
If the establishment wants people to stop worrying about conspiracies, they need to stop with the conspiracies, or at least be a little more secretive.
Trumpeting Agenda 2030 and all their other stupid ideas doesn't help.
Neither does troops in the Capitol, purges in the military, FBI sicced on parents, suddenly forbidding discussions of electoral validity after five years of doing exactly that, and illegal Whitehouse requests to censor people who challenge party narratives.
Trump russia does not lead one to Blue Anon conspiracies. See Shrike.
Remember when Trump spouted that crazy conspiracy theory that the FBI was tapping his phones at Trump Tower?
Or when Papadopoulos had that crazy conspiracy theory that the government had sent foreign assets to try to set him up for prosecution?
Wait? Are we not doing that kind?
Oh, how about the time that the government and the press all insisted that Covid-19 came from people at a wet market in China eating live bats? You know, the one that would get you banned from Twitter, Facebook and YouTube if you disagreed with?
What.... Not doing that kind either?
But see, here is the problem. That these conspiracy theories are not 100% false, does not mean that they are 100% true, nor does it vindicate the type of paranoid, non-falsifiable thinking that they represent.
For example:
Oh, how about the time that the government and the press all insisted that Covid-19 came from people at a wet market in China eating live bats? You know, the one that would get you banned from Twitter, Facebook and YouTube if you disagreed with?
AT THE TIME, that was the most likely explanation, because the scientific experts that we all relied upon said that was the case. It was not some government conspiracy to oppress people. It was our best knowledge AT THE TIME. When new knowledge came to light, our understanding of events also changed.
But to the paranoid thinker, every change of mind is proof of ill intent. That is just not justifiable.
Lol. Jeff still believes trump russia was legit. But he isnt a leftist folks.
Everything cyto said is 100% true.
The crazy part about Trump being wiretapped was that Comey and Brennan are the ones who told him.... And then they went out and told the press that he was nutty and no such thing ever happened.
and by the way. Here is some more evidence for the natural spillover hypothesis for SARS-CoV-2.
https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/11/19/1040390/covid-wuhan-natural-spillover-wuhan-wet-market-huanan/
You really enjoy missing the point, don’t you?
Not by accident
Remember... At the time there was zero evidence to back up the bat at a wet market claim because there never were bats at a wet market. So the At The Time best evidence was never true, and was trivially disproven had anyone asked.
But as to your article with new evidence:
There is scant evidence in that evidence.
But here is evidence that they are backing their way to a conclusion:
Originally, the claim was that bats were sold at this market. Subsequently we have learned that this has never been the case. This is not addressed at all.
There were 3 cases at the lab. This was the primary evidence that sent the Chinese research team into investigation mode. They loudly yelled to anyone who would listen. They were branded kooks by the American press and were blacklisted very quickly. This, despite expertise in the relevant field and experience with the lab in question.
None of this is addressed at all.
They claim there is no evidence of a superspeader event at the market.... saying this argues against a lab leak. That is not what this argues. A bat or a trader (the new theory) coming back with covid and passing it along would be a classic single point source at the market. Their evidence actually shows that it did not originate at a single time in the market, but may have been significantly spread there by up to a third of early infected.
For some bizarre reason they claim this shows it originated at the market. This is completely backwards. It argues strongly that it originated elsewhere and may have spread there. They say there is one strain that was spread at the market, and another that has never been found associated with the market. This is extremely strong evidence that it did not originate at the market.
All of which is beside the point. The "crazy conspiracy theory" which was so dangerous that we had to ban people from repeating it was that it did not originate from people at a wet market eating bats from the region where covid originated. This guy says straight up there is no evidence for mammals who could have carried the virus. So he posits that a trader got infected a thousand miles away and brought it there.
He asserts that this is more likely than a virologist studying coronavirus in bats from that region (which they were in fact doing at the Wuhan lab) getting infected. He may be right.... But that is one hell of a leap.
But it completely debunks the original story which was treated as gospel here. The one that disputing would get you banned.
And we know for a fact that we were lied to by the US officials involved. They have admitted as much.
So: confirmed, the bat at a wet market is completely debunked. This could have easily been debunked immediately, as there were never bats there. Yet we had months of stories about wet markets and B roll footage of live animals in cages and editorializing about how dangerous this is. And nobody bothered to listen when the researchers in China said this wasn't true.
Not confirmed: any direct source for the virus.
This could have been handled early on. We were told it was handled. We were told they independently investigated and found it not to be related to the lab strains. Then we found out no such investigation actually happened, and the same guy was in charge of all of it. Oops. So now we will never be able to trust them when they say "we tested the strains at the lab". Even if it never was there, we can never know for sure because they lied about the investigation.
So well done. By banning dissent or discussion we have obscured the truth... Probably beyond repair.
Why is it a problem for people to question the official government statement, oh great individualist?
That these conspiracy theories are not 100% false, does not mean that they are 100% true, nor does it vindicate the type of paranoid, non-falsifiable thinking that they represent.
chemtard once again indulges in false dichotomies to cover for his lefty boos.
If it’s not 100% accurate, no one should be allowed to say it!
Unless it furthers the Democratic Party's narratives and then it's a-okay.
Bullshit lab leak was the most likely source from the start you lying leftist cunt. Wuhan lab was always the most likely, they did research on fucking coronavirus there, they did gain of function research there. Look, we have an outbreak of a world ending virus out of Atlanta, I'm thinking CDC not fried chicken. You on the other hand will probably blame team red.
How about the one that says there’s a white supremacist hiding around every corner?
The one about minorities who don’t blindly adhere to liberal orthodoxy are white supremacists?
Not those either?
Another habit of highly conspiratorial people is exaggerating.
But lying and sealioning are fine, right Mike?
Cite?
Dutch protesters stand up against new lockdown measures in the Netherlands.
No mention of Dutch police standing up against the protesters with dogs and horses and tear gas and water cannons and batons? If you wonder whose side the cops and the military are going to take come the revolution, I think there's your answer.
The Dutch are just one step from the Germans, and you know how they feel about authority.
The conspiracy theory spiral. In two new studies, researchers found that "increases in conspiracy beliefs predicted subsequent increases in conspiracy beliefs, suggesting a self-reinforcing circle,"
These days it's more like, "conspiracy theory beliefs lead to eventual vindication within a few months"
What are you trying to say? That there are a bunch of pedophiles in power and Epstein didn’t kill himself?
I can’t even.
Okay, which one of you is this?
https://www.8newsnow.com/i-team/i-team-i-knew-we-took-it-too-far-accused-capitol-rioter-arrested-in-las-vegas-says-trump-incited-his-actions/
Yes. They are being forced to make statements in court as part of their plea agreements. Some of them being banned from watching the news or participating in forums.
Youre fine with this because it gives you the posterior evidence even though made under duress.
Youre an authoritarian asshole who supports this shit.
Everybody admits the riot was bad. Only retards claim it was an attempted coup.
chemjeff has an IQ in the 80s i'm pretty sure so ... there you go
It's odd that you don't think that forcing dissidents to make political denouncements after months of illegal incarceration is wrong.
...wait. Scratch that. It's completely expected of you.
Where Holland goes, we SHOULD follow:
"Dutch riot police clash with anti-lockdown protesters"
[...]
"Hundreds gathered in a square in the Dutch capital on Sunday to oppose Covid restrictions introduced by the government on 19 December.
Police dogs were deployed as a small number of agitators confronted officers in riot gear. It is understood that at least one person was detained.
Another person walked through the crowd carrying a “Trump 2024” flag..."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/dutch-riot-police-clash-with-anti-lockdown-protesters/ar-AASmfV5?ocid=uxbndlbing
The salient quote about the "conspiracy theory" that the Whitmer plot was an FBI operation is
"There were 5 people in the car that supposedly cases the governor's mansion. Two were homeless guys and 3 were working for the FBI."
IIRC, more than half of everyone involved were feds.
Yet we're supposed to believe the FBI wasn't heavy on the ground on 1/6.
"People with COVID-19 should isolate for 5 days and if they are asymptomatic or their symptoms are resolving (without fever for 24 hours)," the updated CDC guidance says.
"and if they are asymptomatic or their symptoms are resolving (without fever for 24 hours)" ... then do what?! This "guidance" is not a sentence.
Full sentence from the CDC:
"People with COVID-19 should isolate for 5 days and if they are asymptomatic or their symptoms are resolving (without fever for 24 hours), follow that by 5 days of wearing a mask when around others to minimize the risk of infecting people they encounter."
Trust the experts? If the pandemic were high school, we'd be
juniors by nowbeating up Fauci in gym class.FTFY
LOL
/thread
"increases in conspiracy beliefs predicted subsequent increases in conspiracy beliefs, suggesting a self-reinforcing circle,"
Who told you this? Did THEY tell you this?
Hospitals are being overwhelmed.
No they're not, but I'm willing to run with this narrative because they're getting overwhelmed "with a highly effective vaccine".
No they're not, but I'm willing to run with this narrative because they're getting overwhelmed "with a highly effective vaccine".
Yeah, to the extent they're being overwhelmed, it's because they stupidly cut their staff back in 2020 after putting a moratorium on elective procedures, and are now paying out the ass for traveling nurses and doctors to make up for the problem they created themselves. It's not due to a lack of available space, or the states would be scrambling to set up treatment wards in tents or convention centers like they did early on.
There has not been any effect on hospital staffing due to vaccine mandates or quarantine restrictions.
It's all due to weather.
Hospitals are being overwhelmed.
The thing is, Oster's post (the linked article) doesn't make that point AT ALL. In fact, the whole point of her article is the data used to track if hospitals are "overwhelmed" is so shitty at describing the hows/whys that it's effectively useless.
ENB misquoted something a doesn't understand dick? Say it ain't so!
S&P +0.14%
Talk about confusing! How long can Lord Snorzos and his Druish Army keep this communist Biden economy going? Now that inflation has inflated to its postwar historic average the collapse is coming any day now!
Australian man self-immolates after ranting against COVID vaccines
Finally! Someone shows us the way to demonstrate a.) the proper level of support for the greatest President ever, Donald Trump and b.) how to defeat the scientific tyranny of Fauciism.
MAGA; Let’s all demonstrate our love and devotion to Dear Leader by filling up our gas canisters and buying matches!
you're embarassing yourself
The actual unopinionated COVID facts:
1. You can still get and spread COVID while wearing masks
2. You can still get and spread COVID regardless of your vaccination status
3. You can still die from COVID regardless of your vaccination status
4. There are zero long-term studies of the effects of the vaccines
"Conspiracy theory" is a pejorative for skepticism. You should never trust any government. There have been so many truths that were regarded as conspiracy theories in their time that calling something a conspiracy theory is meaningless.
Theory: Government employee Anthony Fauci CONSPIRED with media propagandists to discredit/slander the Barrington Declaration scientists.
A conspiracy theory that we now know is fact.
In 1940, Lysenko became director of the Institute of Genetics within the USSR's Academy of Sciences, and he used his political influence and power to suppress dissenting opinions and discredit, marginalize, and imprison his critics, elevating his anti-Mendelian theories to state-sanctioned doctrine.
"Conspiracy theory" is a pejorative for skepticism.
No. What distinguishes a conspiracy theory from mere skepticism is that, at least in principle, the honest skeptic's concerns can be addressed. By contrast, the conspiracy theorist's claims are unfalsifiable and can never be addressed, not even in principle, because once one of them is, the goalposts are then just moved further down the road to the next most ludicrous claim.
while this description is true, the media and the government label anything a conspiracy theory if it defies their narrative and ESPECIALLY the things that are true (see origin of wuhan virus for prime example)
"ESPECIALLY the things that are true (see origin of wuhan virus"
We don't know for sure where the SARS-COV-2 virus came from. We may never know. So, how can you, sitting in your den somewhere in America, claim you know the truth?
It came from the Wuhan virology lab
You'll be hard pressed to find that in a definition for a conspiracy theory because it isn't the definition.
I have doubts about a variety of conspiracy theories, like the 2020 election, that can be easily addressed. The issue is that they are not addressed and the people who could address them refuse to do so.
Funny earlier in the comments we discuss lefties changing definitions to fit their argument, and now here’s Lefty Jeffy adding meaning to conspiracy theory that’s not actually part of the definition.
A conspiracy theory is just a theory that two or more people are involved. The term arises from the JFK assassination, where 'conspiracy theories' were theories proposing there were more people involved than Oswald. (ie, a theory that involved a conspiracy).
Now, as the Oswald acted alone was the official story, 'conspiracy theory' should probably best be understood as 'theory which goes against the official narrative'. Not all conspiracy theories are wrong - anyone who blindly trusts the government narrative in all cases is a fool.
I do not mean to imply by this statement that any particular conspiracy theory is right. Most of them are also false. (Almost all theories are false - even the ones that get it mostly right are probably wrong to some extent).
Well you would know all about goalpost moving to keep a false narrative alive. EXPERTS
These were all conspiracy theories a few months ago lol
Let's go through these:
1. You can still get and spread COVID while wearing masks
That is true, but depending on the situation, your chances of getting and spreading COVID while wearing a mask is reduced.
2. You can still get and spread COVID regardless of your vaccination status
That is true, but depending on the situation, your chances of getting and spreading COVID while vaccinated is reduced; furthermore, the chances of having a severe adverse event is greatly reduced if vaccinated.
3. You can still die from COVID regardless of your vaccination status
That is true, but depending on the situation, the chances of that occurring is far lower if vaccinated.
So these first three statements are all true, but miss the larger picture. It is POSSIBLE for bad things to happen even while taking preventive measures, but the preventive measures make the bad thing less likely to occur. It is not a black/white thing. It is a matter of statistics.
4. There are zero long-term studies of the effects of the vaccines
With every other vaccine, severe adverse reactions, if they occurred at all, occurred after a few months of study. There is no reason to believe that these vaccines should be any different. How long-term of a study would satisfy you in this case?
depending on the situation
That you have to insert that qualification in three straight responses shows that you're not dealing in facts, just spin (sort of like "they're just having meetings, guys!").
Thanks for proving my point. I'm double vaxxed and boostered and all I did was post objective information. You immediately operate from the govt PoV that objective truth might lead someone to think it's not worth being vaccinated or observing protocols so you go on the defensive and assume I'm suggesting that I don't recommend people do these things just because they're imperfect.
This is where vaccine hesitancy really comes from.
For long term studies, normal timeframe is 5 years. COVID has not been detrimental enough to make me feel comfortable with forgoing such studies. I won't be taking any additional boosters or vax until then.
You didn’t post the whole truth. You lied by omission. You purposely distorted the truth by taking low likelihood outcomes, and throwing away the stats on how low the likelihood of the outcomes is.
Holy fuck, the projection in this post could reach Pluto.
The way you presented the objective truth gave the misleading impression that you were opposed to such things, by highlighting the lower-probability events over the higher-probability ones.
Consider the two statements:
"You can still die in a car wreck even if you wear a seat belt."
"Wearing a seat belt reduces your chances of dying in a car wreck."
They are both true statements, right? Which would one use if one were opposed to wearing seat belts, and which would one use if one were in favor of wearing seat belts?
You are illustrating the central disease of modern discourse. It is not that people like Joe Rogan or Dr. Malone (or anyone else with a youtube channel, for that matter) actually lie when they are discussing vaccines or COVID. It is what they don't say, and how they frame what they do say. They do so to generate a particular impression, and it isn't by accident.
For long term studies, normal timeframe is 5 years.
Which vaccine was studied for 5 years before being approved for general use?
What is it with Branch Covidians and their stupid seat belt analogy? It's almost as dumb as comparing the coof to polio and smallpox.
It's interesting that to make your list of four points you reduced widely-available data giving percentage estimates of various outcomes to black and white statements. Why did you do that?
Caw caw!
It's interesting that the counter his four points you deliberately misinterpreted his statements. Why did you do that?
Wait til he reads Jeffy’s response!
• The "plot" to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer was an FBI creation, argue defense lawyers for those charged with conspiracy.
I and several others have been pointing this out (in this comment section) since the day after the FBI arrested the clueless idiots in MI that they framed/stung (i.e. organized, duped and financed).
Meanwhile, Reason has not yet written one article exposing this FBI sting operation that was strategically orchestrated to help Democrats win the 2020 election in MI.
the FBI doesn't arrest bad guys anymore. They setup and frame idiots who can't see it coming.
Are you calling Malcom X’s daughter an idiot?
Real libertarians are also still waiting for Reason to publish its first article acknowledging that unarmed peaceful protester Ashli Babbitt was shot dead by a Capitol Police Officer on Jan 6, 2021, and/or why that shooter was exonerated by Nancy Pelosi (without any details of the shooting or the inquiry made public).
Seems like there are NO real libertarians left at Reason.
Seriously, how would Reason cover a story of some random cop shooting an unarmed person, regardless of circumstances, then the Mayor of wherever just comes out and says he looked into it and it’s all good, move along?
Some stories are more local than others.
That's not what Rich Uncle Charles pays them for.
Who is Ashlii Babbitt?
--Reason staff
I think they did a brief blip on the capitol police not being subject to FOIA. But not much. And there's been no discussion of the capitol police, who are exempt from public scrutiny, expanding outside of the actual capitol.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/january-6-capitol-riot-capitol-police-field-offices-florida-california/
You'd think a libertarian publication would have concerns about this.
Meanwhile, Reason has not yet written one article exposing this FBI sting operation that was strategically orchestrated to help Democrats win the 2020 election in MI.
Reason doesn't do government overreach.
The fbi is the largest domestic terrorist organization in the US
The FBI has around 35,000 employees (depends on your search engine)
The US democratic party has 50,000,000 members
the irony is that no group of people is more convinced of conspiracy theories than Blue Anon
I strongly recommend Scott Atlas' new book "The Plague Upon Our House", which delineates how Tony Fauci, Deborah Birx and then CDC Director Robert Redfield (all of whom are left wingers who hated Trump) took control of the White House's Covid Task Force, ignored the massive death rate in nursing homes, imposed nonsensical mandatory testing policies for healthy individuals, and urged all state and local governments to impose unscientific, totalitarian and economically disastrous lockdowns in March 2020, and then sabotaged Scott Atlas' efforts to end the lockdowns (especially at schools), protect nursing home patients and limit testing to those who can actually benefit.
Oops. The correct title of Scott Atlas' new book is "A Plague Upon Our House".
“and then sabotaged Scott Atlas' efforts to end the lockdowns”
Assuming a typo?
I've described the pandemic as "Fauci's Afghanistan". He has no interest in ending it.
Good tip. Thanks.
Two paragraphs from part of the introduction-
"...In considering all the surprising events that unfolded in this past year, two in particular stand out. I have been shocked at the enormous power of government officials to unilaterally decree a sudden and severe shutdown of society—to simply close businesses and schools by edict, restrict personal movements, mandate behavior, regulate interactions with our family members, and eliminate our most basic freedoms, without any defined end and with little accountability.
And I remain stunned at the acceptance by the American people of draconian rules, restrictions, and unprecedented mandates, even those that are arbitrary, destructive, and wholly unscientific. The acquiescence of the citizenry to such extraordinary and ill-conceived restrictions in a nation that was founded on the principles of freedom from an overbearing government, in a country that stands as the world’s beacon for independence and liberty, is nothing less than shocking...."
Will Scott atlas shrug?
As I've said here before, the answer for those buried in student loan debt is to make the loans dischargable under bankruptcy, like any other debt. Instead of a blanket forgiveness, the student loan debtors would have to convince a judge that they are unable to pay the loans back. Those whose educations have paid off for them and are earning good incomes would still have to pay. This is the just and normal way to handle hopeless indebtedness.
Yep, and that's the rub because most of these loans are held by people who can actually pay them, they just can't pay them and afford that sweet condo in DA BIG CITY while experiencing DA BIG CITY lifestyle.
And at the other end of the scale, we have many student loan debtors who borrowed for worthless trade school diplomas from for-profit diploma mills. Those people are victims of fraud and are worthy of our sympathy and a second chance.
The current system has rules allowing discharge of debt due to fraud it is just a tedious task that requires effort. But people don't want to learn facts, it is easier to whine about things being unjust and use the fraud people as an excuse to get their loan forgiven.
I'm just saying that the justification for forgiveness of debt under bankruptcy should be the same for student loans as for any other debt.
I like that suggestion or recalculate all loans at the prime rate, not the ridiculously high rates that were charged. Require the payment of that amount and not the full amount. And do it with legislation that limits new student loans to be required to always be prime or less.
To be fair, federal student loan interest rates are not that high. Maybe it comes from growing up in the early-mid 80s, but a 6.5-7.5% interest rate for tens of thousands in loans for a degree always seemed pretty reasonable to me.
I think the problem is that people are now getting loans for 0% for cars and 2.5% for mortgages and think that rate should apply across the board.
24 states have already set records for new daily covid cases in 2022 (i.e. during the past two days), and 21 of those states have reported >100 cases per 100,000 people.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/09/01/816707182/map-tracking-the-spread-of-the-coronavirus-in-the-u-s
With a highly effective vaccine.
Breaking: Hipster in Silicon Valley wearing cargo shorts and sandals is more of a vaccine expert than the guy who invented the technology.
To be fair - hipsters have always known more about everything.
Reason and the CDC critics are not doing much better. So Reason is worried that people will become complacent if they are told masks help? Says who? So should the CDC not recommend masks out of paternalistic sentiments? Isn't that one of the reasons people critique the CDC?
The funny thing, as always, is that for every CDC critique there is an equal and opposing critique from another direction. The media needs to wake up and own it's role in all this. From the beginning they have jumped on every little thing and made it a scandal. when they didn't say masks were necessary right from the get-go the media had to yell about it for months. Had they forgotten that the CDC is not the only source of information? We all read the same media who made it obvious that we should be wearing masks and yet the media wants us to wait around for official pronouncements from the CDC which, of course, as soon as they are made, the media will dutifully attack and confuse us further.
Anyone with a 7th grade reading level now knows that they should wear better masks, isolate if having symptoms, until you get a negative test or wait out 5 days or so because you probably are not shedding much, especially if vaccinated. Blah blah blah. We are not stupid. But apparently Rason is and the people who are supposedly "confused" because they need to wait for the CDC to tell them every little detail, which is no one because the Trumpers only listen to their ego and Liberals actually read a diverse set of sources.
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article
His whole spiel is nothing more than a regurgitation of the current propaganda line, with a dose of appeal to authority ("Anyone with a 7th grade reading level "). This is like 14th-century nobles arguing that women can't get pregnant if they didn't enjoy having sex with the guy who's banging them--they don't actually know the facts, they're just regurgitating whatever they heard on NPR that morning.
No wonder shitheads like this are called NPCs.
Maybe he's talking about double masking. Remember double masking? Why aren't we double-masking anymore?
Why didn't Fauci recommend three masks last fall? My only effective model for the pandemic is ruined?
"Just wear the whole box."
"...Anyone with a 7th grade reading level now knows that they should wear better masks,.."
Fuck off and die, slaver.
We are in a fucking mass psychosis.
The waiting in line in the cold is hysterical to me. If I think I'm sick I'm not standing outside for 4 hours - I'm going to bed.
I don't believe they had a choice. This was a requirement to allow your child to enter the public school system.
Can't believe they haven't already withdrawn from public schools. I guess some people don't have a choice, or don't think they do.
No, there's not widespread awareness of the resources available for home schooling. Most any parents who can read and write can handle it.
It would be funny if they all got pneumonia and died. Granted that would be counted as a covid death
waited four hours for rapid coronavirus tests
If we've redefined "vaccine" and "democracy" and "misinformation" and "sexual preference", why not "rapid"?
'Rapid' is like 'speedy'. As in the 'right to a speedy trial' ... which is hardly speedy these days.
If you take the plea bargain then the trial is over before it even began! You can't get speedier than that.
And if you don't take the "bargain", they'll bury you under the jail.
You don't get a trial now a days
You can demand one, but you'll be punished for it.
The answer is obviously to shut down testing centers.
https://mynorthwest.com/3295367/uw-medicine-testing-site/
University of Washington Medicine has announced that it will temporarily close three COVID-19 testing locations beginning Jan. 4. They will also limit the availability of access to its other nine testing locations in Western Washington to those who are symptomatic or have had a known exposure to COVID-19.
Karenmaskwaffe hardest hit.
Hooray! Elizabeth is back!
Watching Rogan/Malone on YouTube. About 40 minutes in "something went wrong" video deleted. Searched again and found another post. A half hour later same thing. Full episode deleted. Only clips available now.
Watching Rogan/Malone on YouTube. About 40 minutes in "something went wrong" video deleted. Searched again and found another post. A half hour later same thing. Full episode deleted. Only clips available now.
Yeah, the YouTube tranny jannies are on a deletion spree.
Not surprising. This might be what you're looking for: https://odysee.com/@QuantumRhino:9/Dr.-Robert-Malone-with-Joe-Rogan---The-Joe-Rogan-Experience--1757:8
Thanks for the link. Really fascinating conversation. Wonder if Ron Bailey will cover it. Nah.
He's still hiding under his bed from Omicron, despite his vaccination status. LOL!
Build your own Silicon Valley and Gates-funded fact-checking empire.
Well my first priority is to get a sarcasm meter. Kinda pricey item and I have budgetary constraints. Next step is to build a social network empire. I'll send you a link.
Still on Rumble.
It was brought up somewhere else that spotify hosts the Joe Rogan show. It might be a license take down. It remains on spotify.
Speaking of conspiracy theories, the Washington Post's on-line front page today is mostly a look back at the January 6, 2021 "insurrection" and how it almost destroyed democracy in the United States forever - and how Republicans will still do it if, for example, the media doesn't shape up and expose their evil plots.
The real leftists know that you can't get to true Democracy without a little (Great) Terror.
How about to due process and a speedy trial for those detained in prison for being there on that day?
Thats Dr. Joe Rogan to you.
Still pissed he didn't die from the coof, you obese sack of monkey shit?
I would like to think the CDC left off the requirement for a negative Covid test because they have actually functioned in the real world, unlike ENB. The virus is spreading because the FDA can't get off their asses and allow a plethora of rapid kits.
On Dec 19 my daughter attended a party. On the 20th one of the girls had a cough. She was able to get tested on the 23rd. Results returned late on the 23rd. I am then informed on the 24th (yes Christmas eve) that she was exposed 6 days earlier. We happen to have a rapid test from when I had been sick in the summer. My daughter tests positive and we inform all the family that had left the day before to travel to 3 different states. Every store is sold out of rapid kits. I live in the suburbs of Houston. Every store includes over 40 Walgreens and CVSes in a 10-mile radius. We try to get tests on the 27th. Long lines everywhere. We book rapid tests for the 31st, but we keep looking on the 27th. My son gets one from the vaccine trial he is in. I get one from a random shipping container in a parking lot. On Wed we learn my son tested negative. My husband gets a random rapid test from the DPS office when he goes there for other reasons so we learn he is negative. On Friday now 13 days from the family's initial exposure and 7 after the positive test, I am finally able to get a rapid test that gives me negative results. On Sunday, January 2nd I get the results from the random shipping container test.
But yeah, let's all just shut down and isolate whenever we have an exposure until we can get a negative test. Not counting the going to 10 different stores trying to find a rapid kit or driving around to find somewhere that can test you.
I was able to get a test easily with in 24 hours in August. You would think that the 'public health experts' would have advised a ramp up of production going into winter.
On the other hand, fuck 'em if they can't take a joke.
Come on now, who could have predicted a massive rise in cases as we moved into the colder months? We're not warlocks here.
Not to mention that people young enough to have children living with them are in more danger from a car accident with all that driving around than they are from COVID-19.
Yes, I would not have worried as much about tests if we weren't the caregivers for my 93-year-old Granny. I didn't care if I had it. I was trying to confirm that we weren't passing it to her.
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