Deng Xiaoping and the Communist Party Don't Deserve Credit for Chinese Economic Power
China's economic reforms were bottom-up, not top-down.

Apologists for the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) never fail to mention that it lifted hundreds of millions of people out of poverty—conveniently forgetting that a whole lot of that poverty was caused by the CCP's own policies since taking over the country in 1949. The party takes full credit for the country's economic rise, and Deng Xiaoping, its paramount leader between 1978 and 1989, is said to be its "Great Architect."
That claim has augmented the CCP's power. In the 1970s, it looked like the party might become yet another ramshackle regime. Today it is flush with self-confidence, using the country's economic prominence to throw its weight on the international stage.
But the CCP is not in fact the linchpin of modern Chinese economic success. Ordinary people, not Deng, began the reform of China's economy. Real change arose organically from below; it was not, contra CCP myth, the result of Deng's genius. Reconsidering that myth is vital, given that this unearned reputation for turning around the Chinese economy leads many people to misjudge the regime's capacities to this day.
The Chinese party line, alas, has fooled much of the world. For example, in 2017 the BBC effused that Deng created the "state-driven, managed economic system" that is responsible for China's economic growth; to mark the 40th anniversary of Deng becoming the party's paramount leader, The Washington Post gushed that "Deng laid out the foundations for China's success" and instituted policies that "unleashed the creative and entrepreneurial potential of the Chinese people."
Far from embarking on a new correct path, Deng was trying to turn back the clock. He wasn't out to create a new economic system; he sought to restore the planned economy that had existed before the Cultural Revolution. The program he tried to implement after 1978 was based on the "Four Modernisations" Zhou Enlai had introduced in 1963 to revive the countryside after Mao's disastrous Great Leap Forward. During the Cultural Revolution of 1966 to 1976, the party's radical elements encouraged renewed collectivization campaigns. Deng sought to reverse those extreme policies, not the planned economy itself.
Deng embraced reforms conservatively, after events on the ground had already made state restrictions obsolete. Upon taking control of the party, he endorsed private ownership of small plots but forbade dividing up collective land to individual households. It was only in 1982, four years after he took power, that households were officially allowed to contract production rights on collective land. He raised the price of grain that farmers compulsorily sold to the state by 20 percent—a substantial concession, but hardly evincing the kind of vision that the title "Great Architect" implies. Indeed, the year after the "great turning point" in April 1979, Deng and the party leadership ordered those who had left the communes to rejoin them.
The planned economy was undermined and subverted from below well before the communes were officially dissolved in 1983. Decollectivization occurred not because of Deng's vision but because ordinary people, under cover of the Cultural Revolution's chaos, left the communes. Several years before Mao died in 1976, it had become common for people to strike out on their own in search of economic opportunities. The party's leadership lamented that the countryside had "gone capitalist," but it couldn't reverse that trend. By 1980, half of all production teams in Guizhou province and more than half in Gansu were under household contracts. This system gave farmers secure tenures of collective farmland, which significantly increased both their productivity and health. One cadre in Anhui province likened household contracting, as reported by the historian Frank Dikötter in a 2016 article in The China Quarterly, to "an irresistible wave, spontaneously topping the limits we had placed…it could not be suppressed or turned around."
The Ironic Aftermath of Mao's Cultural Revolution
Deng was not changing history; he was swept away by it. As the historian Kate Zhou wrote in her 1996 book How the Farmers Changed China: "When the government lifted restrictions, it did so only in recognition of the fact that the sea of unorganized farmers had already made them irrelevant." Ordinary people, not Deng Xiaoping, resisted and reformed the planned economy.
To understand how the party's control of economic activity slipped, one must look to the history of the Cultural Revolution. Mao's "Great Leap Forward" of 1958–1962 had devolved into a Great Famine, killing tens of millions of people. While they starved, the party ramped up grain exports to fellow socialist countries in order to increase its international prestige.
This forced farmers to circumvent the state's orders—one had to lie, cheat, steal, smuggle, or trade on the black markets to avoid starvation. Apart from the party's loyal hacks, only the lucky or enterprising survived. In the early 1960s, even Mao had to acknowledge that the Great Leap Forward had failed. The Central Committee introduced a few paltry safeguards against extreme collectivization. Villagers were thus allowed to cultivate private plots, but only in their free time.
But Mao soon saw this as backsliding, and he launched the Cultural Revolution to secure his hold on the party. Revolutionary committees took control of China. The People's Liberation Army was ordered onto the streets, and the Soviet-Sino border conflict was used as a pretext to reassert control over the countryside. Private holdings were once more collectivized on a massive scale. But the party tore itself apart in the process; its organization was vitiated by factional infighting.
The Cultural Revolution broke the party's apparatus of control—it lost much of its capacity to coerce people's everyday behavior. During the turmoil, people took back some of their lost freedoms. They expanded private lots, left communes, sold produce for private gain, moved to the cities, and even opened underground factories. It is here that we find the true origins of China's modernization.
Successive waves of terror, starvation, and struggle sessions made many local cadres lose interest in upholding the party line. They instead focused on production; some even parcelled out every part of commune property to the highest bidder. Black markets flourished. Soon private firms ("collectives" only in name) sprouted up; enterprising villagers set up unauthorized brick factories and metalworks. The party leadership lamented that the countryside had gone capitalist, but there was usually little it could do about it outside major cities.
The Chinese People Chose the 'Capitalist Road'
The combined effect of millions of ordinary people engaging in trade and production on their own reshaped the Chinese economy. It took place on the sly, hidden from the party leadership. Had villagers organized in open defiance of party policies, it would've brought the full might of the state on their heads. Instead they outmaneuvered the state furtively. Cadres were helpless before massive non-cooperation; indeed, many authorities soon realized that they could live better if they forgot politics and embraced the profit motive. These bottom-up reforms gathered such momentum that the party leadership couldn't stop them.
Villagers established private firms and factories throughout the country. For example, the rate of industrialization in the countryside of Jiangsu province in the early 1970s far exceeded the rate of industrialization there under Deng. And it was these rural industries that fuelled China's GDP growth. Prosperity came not from the cities or from the state-owned enterprises, but from the countryside. The people who worked in these factories had often left the communes on their own initiative, not on party orders. When Deng became paramount leader in 1978, the silent revolution was already well underway.
Not only were factories established, but markets linked rich and poor provinces. And in the coastal province of Guangdong, traders revived overseas trading links, especially once restrictions were eased in 1972. Deng is said to have begun the process of opening up China, but as early as 1974, the amount of money reaching people in Guangdong from overseas was twice what it had been in 1965. Black markets existed everywhere, and although the state maintained rigid monopolies on several key products, almost everything was sold openly on the markets.
These markets benefited from the state's fixed prices. People were often willing to pay twice the fixed price for commodities, if not more, in order to get any at all. When the state lost its capacity to enforce restrictions on everyday commerce, private markets' higher prices gave producers an incentive to withhold their produce from the state. Thus crumbled major aspects of the planned economy.
In province after province, local leaders divided collective property to individual farmers who lost no time in transitioning from state-mandated monoculture. Although farmers were required to produce grain, many grew crops they could sell on private markets and then bought back their state-mandated grain quota with the profits. Others rented their land to work in industry, sending their earnings back to their families. This occurred regardless of the wishes of the Central Committee.
The party also lost control of people's movements. Villagers moved to the cities in search of opportunity, despite the state's efforts to keep them out. The household registration system was meant to keep track of people, but its agents were routinely outwitted. In Hubei province, the urban population grew by one-third of a million from 1965 to 1970, but by half a million in just the next two years. In Beijing itself, the public security bureau had to employ more than 10,000 officers to keep out unauthorized travelers and residents. Many lived insecure lives, constantly looking over their shoulder in fear of deportation, but they could often bribe their way to a residency permit. Around a fifth of residency permits in Hubei province were acquired by fraudulent means.
During the Cultural Revolution, parts of the party promoted the zealotry that had characterized the Great Leap Forward; in Dazhai village in Shanxi province, they claimed, farmers supposedly worked selflessly around the clock every month of the year. In certain provinces, private plots were collectivized much as they had been in the late 1950s. But other factions of the Central Committee cautioned against such excesses. Policies and counter-policies generated much confusion on the ground. No one could be sure of the "correct" party line.
This confusion gave local cadres considerable freedom to interpret the rules as they sought fit. Far from Beijing's watchful eyes, cadres bothered less and less with politics; more and more, they worked with villagers to establish black markets and decollectivize the countryside. In one village in Shaanxi province, a party report complained that "Not one Party meeting has been called, and not one of the prescribed works of Marx, Lenin and Chairman Mao has been studied." But as historian Dikötter wryly noted in his 2016 book The Cultural Revolution, telephone conferences for some production brigades "were not a realistic prospect, since the lines had been cut down and were used by the villagers to dry sweet potatoes."
Marxism and 'Great Man' History
Marxist theory sees history shaped through the interaction between material forces and social relations of production. But in practice, Marxists have often given themselves over to hysterical personality cults. Instead of rejecting the "Great Man" view of history, Chinese Marxism has succumbed to it. Mao thought that he could reshape the entire economy by inspiring the population into colossal feats of labor by sheer willpower. Deng never committed that blunder, but the fact that he is remembered as the man who almost singlehandedly put China on a new historical path is a testament to how seductive the Great Man thesis remains. And now Xinhua, China's official news agency, declared that "Xi Jinping is undoubtedly the core figure mastering the tide of history."
But neither Xi nor Deng mastered the tide of history. Deng recognized that certain changes were inevitable, but his reforms were little more than legalizations of already occurring practices that he was shrewd enough to claim credit for. Why the party should still be thanked for it is another matter.
When Deng ordered the tanks into Tiananmen Square, his soldiers and generals were ready to commit murder on the proposition that his leadership was in China's best interest. Had he not been forced to introduce reforms, the party's hold on power might have been much looser; indeed, it might even have collapsed. Ironically, the party might owe its survival to the very people it formerly condemned as "capitalist roaders"—the ones whose bottom-up reforms allowed the regime to survive.
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Damn communists. Always lying. Always wrong. Unfortunately our government seems to admire them and want to copy them.
FJB
Yes, this, exactly!
From the article:
"But in practice, Marxists have often given themselves over to hysterical personality cults. Instead of rejecting the "Great Man" view of history, Chinese Marxism has succumbed to it."
Where the Chinese Marxists have failed, WE can make it WORK! A personality cult adoring Der TrumpfenFuhrer will WORK, where they FAILED! 'Cause, well, 'cause we're AMERICANS, dammit!
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Don’t you have more important things to do, instead of thread-shitting here? As San Fran’s foremost homeless hobo, couldn’t you be doing your “squeegee” racket, fighting with the other bums, pooping in the streets, and yelling insane, deluded insults at passers-by?
Smegmalung’s next gig in Gay Ol’ San Fran: Burglary, which San Fran’s media suggests should now be tolerated!
https://www.foxnews.com/media/san-francisco-chronicle-ripped-for-asking-if-residents-should-tolerate-burglaries
San Francisco Chronicle ripped for asking if residents should 'tolerate burglaries'
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At least everyone else is discussing things, but I've seen you do nothing but post identical posts over and over to unrelated issues. They do nothing but waste space and make the comments hard to read.
So I'm muting you. It's the first time that I've muted someone. Normally I can learn something even from people who I disagree with, but not you.
All rightee then! After you mute me, and you or yours are stricken by the next attack of the SmegmaLung from San Francisco, DESPITE my warnings (which you ignored), then it will be on YOU, and not on me! I did my best!
TDS-addled spastic asshole gets flagged.
"...They do nothing but waste space and make the comments hard to read..."
The narcissistic asshole assumes someone is willing to wade through his/her TDS-addled bullshit in the hopes of finding some nugget worth the time?
What sort of an asshole does it take to make that assumption?
The asshole posting as Squ---shit. That steaming pile of shit.
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WHO is the narcissistic asshole here, narcissistic asshole?
In this portion of the thread, you are the only one whose comment is visible. I’ve already muted all of them except rbike and jesse
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I dunno. The disciples are starting to yell, “We’re not gonna take it!” at Donny. All because he’s a Vaccine Wizard.
(Am I trying to hard here?)
I just don't know any moah...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers ... Ask the Groypers!
(I learned something new today... It seems that "Groypers" are a new mutation of the Amphibian People, who USED to be called Pepe the Frog!)
Oh, boy. They’d be fun at Thanksgiving dinner.
Poor Dee, reduced to conversing with sqrlsy.
R Mac Talks Smack, you PROMISED to mute me! HOW do you know that Mike was conversing with me, then?
You let me DOWN with your clutter, talking to supposedly-muted people like me! WHEN will you live up to your promises?
Fuck off and die, TEDS-addled spastic asshole.
R Mac and Sevo would also be fun at Thanksgiving dinner.
Fuck off and die, TDS-addled spastic piece of shit.
You've always tried too hard. Offering nothing but covering for the left.
Yes. You didn't have to waste your time typing any of that, everybody already knows that you don't know squat. But the first two words are at least correct.
I bet you think you are being clever.
No, he is trying to help you. You are too daft to see that.
Quit being rude to people here. You’re treated far better than you deserve. So show a little gratitude.
Oh Great "Make Democrats Extinct", THANK YOU so very, VERY much, for advocating for a 1-party "R" state!
(I am old enough and wise enough by now to know that, sad to say, the Libertarian Party will never get more than a tiny slice of votes, 'cause libertarians aren't power-pigs or self-righteous enough, in a left-, right, up, or down, or even sideways, way, strongly enough, to appeal to the power-pigs and self-righteous ones that make up most of our society. Sad but true.)
So de facto, you and your fellow power pigs are advocating for a 1-party, "R"-party state... As you proudly display in your posting-name. You also want to make REAL libertarians extinct as well, don't you, power pig?
I'd thank you MUCH more sincerely, instead of sarcastically... If you could ONLY name me ONE single case of a 1-party state, where the 1-party nature of the state (party monopoly on politics) brought long-term peace and prosperity? You can NOT do that, can you, ignorant and evil power-luster?
Asshole TDS addled pile of lefty shit gets flagged yet again.
Hey. steaming pile of shit, do you think anyone wastes time reading your bullshit?
No. Outside of one or two other piles of lefty shit, no one does,
Fuck off and die, asshole.
Make me, moronic punk! Do you ever open your own mind long enough to read the vile, empty-headed 1st-grade insults that you so utterly repetitively spew? Hypocrite!
The irony in that statement is beyond belief....
"Where the Chinese Marxists have failed, WE can make it WORK! A personality cult adoring"
Sell your individual souls to the [WE] foundation (democrats foundation); because you don't own you, [WE] own you and our "leaders" will "build back better"....
It amazing me how you leftards can worship your "leaders" and their tin-pot DICTATOR "plans" while simultaneously PROJECTING your own EXACT mentality on those who just appreciate a president the CUTS the tin-pot DICTATOR Nazi (National Socialists) -Regime's power.
The practice of Marxism should be expressly criminalized. A capital offense at the extreme end of the spectrum.
Surprised this hasn’t been mimicked by others. Experiments from China tend to go viral.
Well, they're not necessarily exactly identical experiments, there are several variants floating around.
This sounds remarkably similar to what happened in the USSR, where tiny individual farm plots outperformed the collective farms. From what I have read, individuals gradually spend less and less time working the collectives in favor of working their home "gardens", and the same thing happened in factories -- "we pretend to work and they pretend to pay us" -- until the government finally legitimized the underground reality.
Individualism is human nature. Markets always exist.
markets comprise humans.
Proving your corrolary.
Im glad my name isnt Dung Chow.
80 degrees here in the sun in TN !
"This sounds remarkably similar to what happened in the USSR, where tiny individual farm plots outperformed the collective farms. From what I have read, individuals gradually spend less and less time working the collectives in favor of working their home "gardens", and the same thing happened in factories -- "we pretend to work and they pretend to pay us" -- until the government finally legitimized the underground reality."
Not gonna dig through the books looking for the marginal notes this evening, (Either Pipes or Conquest) but by the time Gorby took power, the USSR economy would not have existed without the illegal markets; most people got what they needed there as the gov't markets were largely empty.
Most everyone in the Kremlin knew this and, further, knew that shutting the markets down was likely to result in riots, so no one was willing to do so. Food production was something approaching the "80/20" rule; 80% of the food was coming from the 20% of private acreage.
Kim's dealing with a similar problem, but his ratio of thugs/population is higher. His problems start when he can't feed the thugs.
I saw this for myself on a 1984 visit to Czechoslovakia, where the wide fields held stunted, thin crops, while the gardens next to homes were overgrown with well tended vegetables and fruit trees.
Collectivism is evil. Those who espouse it are evil or damned stupid.
Especially virulent is the D Nile strain. It’s symptoms include the above mentioned fusion of Marxism and the Great Man Theory. As it mutates, this will give way to such symptoms as “This isn’t true Marxism/Socialism/Communism.” The most recent outbreaks include Venezuela, Vermont and a certain congressional district in NYC. The History Vaccine has proven, at best, partially effective—we as a species seem to require very frequent boosters.
Sending love letters to COMMUNIST Kim Un, who now has Nukes that can reach every US city. Dozens of illegal Secret meetings with COMMUNIST Putin and preferring his word over our 17 Intelligence agencies. Took notes from Interpreter after meeting with COMMUNIST Putin. "Russia (COMMUNIST) if you are listening". Hired COMMUNIST Manafort to run his campaign. People in his campaign lied on their SF-86s about COMMUNIST Russia. His Att. Gen. Sessions lied to Congress about COMMUNIST Russia and his job is literally to put people who lie to Congress in jail. Cleared out the WH of all Americans and brought in COMMUNIST TV to brag and confess to a COMMUNIST that he had illegally fired his FBI Director who was investigating him and his COMMUNIST ties. Then he gave the COMMUNIST Ambassador Top Secret information, throwing our ally under the bus. Perfect call delayed help to Ukraine in war against COMMUNIST Russia. Investigation of Ukraine attack of US election helped COMMUNIST Russia who actually did it. Making up dirt on Biden helped Trump re-election who is a COMMUNIST Russian puppet. Eric: “We don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of (Communist) Russia.” 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies were indicted on conspiracy charges, with some also being accused of identity theft. A total of 272 contacts between Trump’s team and COMMUNIST Russia-linked operatives have been identified, including at least 38 meetings. At least 33 high-ranking campaign officials and Trump advisers were aware of contacts with COMMUNIST Russia-linked operatives during the campaign and transition, including Trump himself. None of these contacts were ever reported to the proper authorities. Trump was told that everyone should wear masks and he said he was not going to because he meets with COMMUNIST Dictators. Allowed Communist Putin to put $100,000 bounty on our troops. Did not believe our 17 Intelligence Agencies about Communist Russia interfering in our election but instead believed in Communist Putin. Instead, the Trump team tried to cover up every single one of them.
You should ask your COMMUNIST nurse to increase your meds.
They said the Trump family have used them all up. I think they are stocking up for when they all end up in jail.
You democrats will all be in landfills before that happens.
famous last words
A total of 272 contacts between Trump’s team and COMMUNIST Russia-linked operatives have been identified, including at least 38 meetings. At least 33 high-ranking campaign officials and Trump advisers were aware of contacts with COMMUNIST Russia-linked operatives during the campaign and transition, including Trump himself.
But there was no collusion! It is just CT!
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a TDS addled asshole and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
#MaddowWasRight
#TrumpRussia
#ItsMuellerTime
Where is the collusion on that paragraph?
By the way. You are aware that most incoming presidents set up contacts with foreign nations right? Or are you honestly that stupid?
"...Or are you honestly that stupid?"
Yes. Yes, turd is and even more stupid than you can imagine.
He is so stupid, he cannot remember which lie he told even minutes ago.
He only knows what his buddies in his NAMBLA chapter tell him.
db, seek help.
https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/ocd/what-is-obsessive-compulsive-disorder
It's beyond help. Zealots typically cannot let go of their bias and bigotry. The best case is isolation, by choice or enforced. Another good option is suicide booth, d-bag, as I don't think you are going to give up your unfounded beliefs, biases, bigotry and bile. D-bag is a bit like RAK, but with the added lame dishonest lefty talking points copied & pasted.
FIRST US ILLITERATE PRESIDENT
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/americas-first-post-text-president/549794/ Donald Trump has told us he doesn't read because he is too busy, so we know he doesn't read, and it shows. Doesn't read PDBs, tears them up and throw them away, knowing they are supposed to be archived. Interns making $60,000 yr spent hours taping the pieces back together. He is easily the dumbest prez of all time doesn't even know how to spell what.
Super legit source from 2018, dbruce.
https://muckrack.com/GrahamDavidA
And wasn't Carl Bernstein's new Trump book full of people complaining Trump was reading all the wrong things? That kind of puts paid to Graham's Atlantic article argument.
“I wanted to always play it down,” Trump told Woodward in an on-the-record interview, according to an excerpt from the book in the Washington Post, the newspaper Woodward has been associated with for years. “I still like playing it down, because I don’t want to create a panic.” But the interview — one of 18 Woodward conducted with Trump — took place in February. Now, in September, more than 190,000 Americans have died of COVID.
July 2021 reporter Carl Bernstein has accused former President Donald Trump of being an “American war criminal” for his actions while in office.
Doesn't the fact that your two shit-flinging sources contradict each other raise alarms for you though?
Is your cognitive dissonance so great that you can ignore the fact that the claims are antithetical?
One has to be lying, but you can't seem to grasp that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlNnzQijyFI
‘This is one of the great presidential felonies of all time’ — Watergate reporter Carl Bernstein breaks down the released tapes of Pres. Trump admitting to downplaying COVID-19 in Bob Woodward book.
Imagine of Bernstein knew an outgoing president worked with the IC to spy in a campaign.
You're still not answering the question. Stop changing the subject and explain how you can hold two incompatible beliefs.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/09/trump-claims-read-bob-woodward-book-rage-one-night.html
You're still evading answering, and many people are perfectly capable of reading a book in an evening. I do it myself all the time.
Now answer the question and explain how you can hold two incompatible beliefs.
More people died under the failed Brandon regime.
223 solution.
I tried but the whole trump family have filled all the openings because they have figured out that a padded cell is better than a metal one. Let me know if one of them goes Epstein.
You mean Epstein-like when Hunter Biden recorded himself fucking his own underage niece? Or Epstein-like when Joe Biden took naked showers with his teenage daughter that she said were "inappropriate" (her words)?
Here's CSpan footage of Biden fondling little girls:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XqF4wA-dco
Is that Epstein-like enough?
The Trump's are going to have a hard time exceeding your lot when it comes to being Epstein, dbruce.
You need better non-QAnon crazy sources unless you really believe the JFK and JR are coming back to life and help trump back to the WH. then24 and national file are extreme right Tin-Foil Hat Conspiracy websites based on the promotion of unproven/debunked claims and a Strong Pseudoscience purveyor based on using junk science to support claims.
Failed Fact Checks Was Nancy Pelosi’s son an executive for a Ukrainian gas company? – FALSE
Says the sons of Nancy Pelosi, Mitt Romney, and John Kerry are all on the boards of “energy companies doing business in Ukraine.” – FALSE
Is the United Nations office in New York recruiting paramilitary troops for disarmament and reintegration of U.S. civilians? – FALSE
A yearbook photo shows Mark Kelly dressed as Adolf Hitler. – False
The Australian government seized and forcibly vaccinated 24,000 students. – False
These guys are so crazy they make QAnon look like a dictionary.
I occasionally enjoy a good word salad too, but not even Tolkien himself could follow your plot.
The first two claims are verified by the FBI, the video is all over the internet and the Biden's have sued to get the diary and the laptop back, while never denying the contents.
The third is raw CSpan footage.
You have to nutballs deep into the BlueAnon cult to pretend that's some sort of anti-Biden conspiracy.
Also, QAnon is a 4chan prank the New York Times now uses to frighten wine moms. If you believe that it's real then you're the crazy one.
Face it, your hero is a senile old pervert and so are his kids.
If CNN ignored it, it never happened.
The Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory is a series of unevidenced claims centered on the false allegation that while Joe Biden was vice president of the US, he engaged in corrupt activities relating to the employment of his son Hunter Biden by the Ukrainian gas company Burisma. They were spread primarily in an attempt to damage Joe Biden's reputation during the 2020 presidential campaign. US intelligence community analysis released in March 2021 found that proxies of Russian intelligence promoted and laundered misleading or unsubstantiated narratives about the Bidens "to US media organizations, US officials, and prominent US individuals, including some close to former Pres. Trump and his administration. The N Y Times reported in May 2021 that a federal criminal investigation was examining a possible role by current and former Ukrainian officials, including whether they used former Trump personal attorney Rudy Giuliani to spread unsubstantiated claims, who is the subject of a separate federal investigation.
The conspiracy theory alleges that then-Vice President Biden withheld loan guarantees to pressure Ukraine into firing a prosecutor to prevent a corruption investigation into Burisma and to protect his son. Although the US did withhold government aid to pressure Ukraine into removing the prosecutor, this was the official and bipartisan policy of the federal government of the U S, which, along with the European Union, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, believed the prosecutor to be corrupt and ineffective, and too lenient in investigating companies and oligarchs, including Burisma and its owner.
In October 2020, during the last weeks of the presidential campaign, the NY Post published an article, with the involvement of Trump's personal attorney Giuliani and former chief strategist Steve Bannon, about a found laptop allegedly belonging to Hunter Biden. The laptop contained an email, the authenticity of which was not verified, which showed what the NY Post characterized as a "meeting" between Joe Biden and a Burisma advisor in 2015, though that characterization was disputed by witnesses. The article's veracity was strongly questioned by most mainstream media outlets, analysts and intelligence officials, due to the questionable provenance of the laptop and its contents, and the suspicion it may have been part of a disinformation campaign.
"The conspiracy theory alleges that then-Vice President Biden withheld loan guarantees to pressure Ukraine into firing a prosecutor to prevent a corruption investigation into Burisma and to protect his son. Although the US did withhold government aid to pressure Ukraine into removing the prosecutor, this was the official..."
Also, it's OK if it's Democrats.
You're trying to change the subject by posting walls of text you stole from reddit.
Quit trying to change the subject and explain why you believe actual video is "coNspiRacy".
Do you think they're deepfaked?
Did CSpan hire a Joe imitator to fondle kids at White House photo ops?
Is Hunter banging his niece actually CGI?
Did Joe's daughter lie?
Come on. Explain yourself.
Founded in 2018, QAnon.pub is a website for far-right QAnon conspiracy theorists. QAnon is a collective of anonymous conspiracy theorists who believe the deep state and media conspire against President Trump. “The theory began with an October 2017 post on the anonymous 4chan by someone using the tripcode Q, a presumably American individual that may have later grown to include multiple individuals, claiming to have access to classified information involving the Trump. administration and its opponents in the United States.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biden%E2%80%93Ukraine_conspiracy_theory I have never been on reddit and don't know why I would.
Who the fuck cares? Founded in 1995 CNN.com is a website for BlueAnon conspiracy theorists. CNN is a collective of attention-whoring entertainment personalities who believe that President Trump conspires against the deep state and media.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN#Website
Now quit evading and explain how all those videos are some sort of MAGA plot.
So basically, you can't deny the Bidens are a bunch of Epsteins, right?
Holy Crap. Paragraph line breaks are your friend.
Ken sometimes skips them, but at least he's writing something worth reading.
This is Dostoevsky level word-wall shit. I stopped caring about the Brothers Karamazov when I got to the part where he had a paragraph that lasted 3 pages. I just didn't care about those russian guys enough to keep reading anymore. And I still had 6 hours left on my flight. Didn't care - put it down, NOPE, Done.
He copypasted it from reddit.
Founded in 2018, QAnon.pub is a website for far-right QAnon conspiracy theorists. QAnon is a collective of anonymous conspiracy theorists who believe the deep state and media conspire against President Trump. “The theory began with an October 2017 post on the anonymous 4chan by someone using the tripcode Q, a presumably American individual that may have later grown to include multiple individuals, claiming to have access to classified information involving the Trump. administration and its opponents in the United States.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biden%E2%80%93Ukraine_conspiracy_theory
Dianne - You would be much happier if you just didn't.
So would we.
Founded in 1995 CNN.com is a website for BlueAnon conspiracy theorists. CNN is a collective of attention-whoring entertainment personalities who believe that President Trump conspires against the deep state and media.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN#Website
Blue Anon
A cabal of democratic conspiracy theorists pushing ideas like Trump was a Russian agent. You got me. I believe bone spurs gets money from deutsche bank, known for money laundering with 2 russian oligarchs co-signed loans for benedict donald, who sued them twice, once for loaning him $300 million which he never paid them back, his reason for suing was "they should have known he wouldn't pay the back." Eric Trump in 2014: 'We have all the funding we need out of Russia'.
You saying things are false doesn’t make them false. As you are a lying idiot.
Kill yourself. The holidays are a great time for that.
Whichever lying piece of lefty shit is getting the benefit of your advice, I'd just add that ANYTIME is a good time for that asshole to fuck off and die.
It took you all of three or four weeks to go totally off the rails. What broke you? Was it the mean tweets or choked on the redpill?
Choked on red tweets. I think.
COMMUNIST Russia helped elect the least COMMUNIST President the USA has ever seen in the last century...
Ya; that makes a whole lot of sense.... dumb*ss.
Central planning simply does not and cannot work. The most tightly controlled systems, prisons, still have people finding ways to get around the rules. If you can't even control a prison population, how do you expect to be able to control a population of free citizens, all pursuing their own individual self-interest? The best you can do is get the hell out of the way and let them go to work getting what they want. You don't know what they want.
With the help of technology, the ChiComs have developed a system of social scoring to track and record every bit of wrongthink one commits and reduce that person’s ability to travel, purchase goods, or participate in life. They have taken 1984 as an instruction manual. More evil than the other evil empire.
A sincere and heartfelt congratulations to representative Pramila Jayapal on being named the 2021 Loser of the Year!
https://spectator.org/pramila-jayapal-the-loser-of-the-year/
Hey Mikey, why did you stop posting about the Durham investigation? You know, what you and Donnie Boy called the "biggest scandal in history"?
Reason won't mention it as you repeatedly said.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a pathological liar and a TDS-addled piece of shit, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
I'm starting to think that the reason Dipshit Dave likes "Peanuts" so much is because it's a cartoon entirely about children. He probably dreams of rawdogging Peppermint Patty.
If you ask that asshole and get an answer, remember turd lies.
I’ve asked him repeatedly to stop calling people peanuts. It’s very creepy coming from a pedo.
Jerry Sandusky’s Buttplug likes to creep folks out.
Hey sevo your responece is expecially poinent for this article and can do double duty!
Chinks lies; it’s all he ever does. Chink is a pathological liar and a TDS-addled piece of shit, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
Chink lies; it’s what he does. Chink is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Happy Hannukah, Dipshit Dave!
If Reason ever has a convention, you should show up. We’ll have law enforcement waiting for you.
Pedo Pluggo believes it is above the law.
The losers of the year are Schumer and Pelosi, and Jayapal is one of the biggest beneficiaries of that.
Pelosi had already promised not to seek the Speaker's chair after the 2022 midterms, but now that her efforts to pass BBB for the progressive--and is seen as having stabbed them in the back by passing the infrastructure bill before Manchin voted on BBB--she's a lame duck. If Pelosi survives in the Speaker's chair until the midterms, it may only be because Jayapal doesn't want to take the blame for the Democrats losing the House in 2022. Meanwhile, it's all the moderates who supported Pelosi against Jayapal who will be losing their seats in 2022--'cause they're the ones in purple and red districts. Pelosi may be holding the gavel, but going forward, Jayapal is the most powerful Democrat in the House.
Schumer is another big loser. His promise to bring Build Back Better to a vote in the House is further evidence of that, too. Forcing moderate Democrats to go on the record for the Green New Deal and BBB seems like a stupid thing for the Democrat majority leader in the Senate to do if he wants the Democrats to maintain control of the Senate after 2022, and surely Schumer understands that. One interpretation of Schumer's promise to hold a vote in 2022 on BBB is that he isn't as worried about maintaining control of the Senate as he is about losing his Senate seat in New York to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez as a primary challenger.
"New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez does not know what her political future holds -- and that includes whether she might challenge Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer in a 2022 primary."
----CNN, August 8, 2021
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/08/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-chuck-schumer-2022-cnntv/index.html
Voters generally recognize that having your state's representative as the Senate majority leader generally means having things go your way in Washington. It's hard to imagine a Senate majority leader losing in an election to a Republican--much less losing to a Democrat in the primaries. I think AOC is a special case. It's not just that she's cultivated relationships with some of the union interests that run New York. It's also that she's the darling of the New York donors. They'd rather give their money and support to a young, minority, firebrand darling than an old school white man.
Both Pelosi and Schumer are big losers here, but I'd give the edge to Schumer--if he loses his seat to AOC--despite being the majority leader in the Senate. In both cases, we're talking about a slow motion train wreck that won't be complete until November of 2022, but the things that happened in December of 2021 will the be the reason both Pelosi and Schumer are gone come November of 2022. Incidentally, Biden won't resign until after the midterms of 2022, and Kamala Harris will be the biggest loser in that regard. Biden won't leave without getting rid of her first.
"Schumer is another big loser. His promise to bring Build Back Better to a vote in the
House[Senate] is further evidence of that, too."----Ken Shultz
Fixed!
Schumer or later, Ken always correct the few minor mistakes he makes.
"Kamala Harris will be the biggest loser in that regard. Biden won't leave without getting rid of her first."
He'll probably try to make her win the primaries for President.
The Democrats' farm system isn't very deep. Harris might win in a primary--as unpopular as she is.
I don't imagine Bernie Sanders, Liz Warren, or Bloomberg beating her outside of the northeast. If I were betting at this point, I'd probably give the edge to Newsom.
Harris won't crack 5%.
Biden already got rid of her, when he gave her the border crisis to handle.
Remember, we're talking about her winning mostly closed primaries all over the country. This is Democrats being forced to choose the lesser of four evils--with some swing states deciding who not to vote for being the deciding factor. Harris was given the nomination by Biden for being the only female, minority bootlicker he could find against the backdrop of #MeToo and BLM. He thought she was more likely to help him win than Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, or Bloomberg, and I'm not sure that isn't still the case--especially when we're talking about closed Democrat primaries.
Biden is 79 and has problems. He might not make it another three years. Sadly, she probably will.
Mushroom dick is 3 years younger and has thousands of problems including jail Epstein problems. Sadly, benedict donald will take half of the Republican party with him to jail.
The walls are closing in!!!!
The Unindicted Co-Conspirator has run out of court delays and now he has to face the music, and it's a tune he will be singing in jail for a long time. Maybe QAnon and JFK jr. will arrive to save the day?
Biden only won because the DNC Old Guard rigged their own elections to keep the socialists at bay; they knew a "moderate" like Biden was their only chance to beat Trump.
I won't make any predictions about 2024. The President's party almost always loses seats in the midterms, so the Democrats are almost guaranteed to lose both houses, meaning Biden's last two years will get nothing done. 2022 is going to be mostly midterm campaigning, leaving little room for any contentious legislating.
Whether Biden resigns or not, whether he leaves Kamala holding the chamber pot for 2024, I do not know. I think his instinct is to stay in power; he knows nothing but politics. Can his handlers push him into retirement? Will Kamala hang tough for a doomed shot at 2024? No idea. The DNC has two train wrecks coming, their wild wing has no principles to guide them, and a lot depends on what Trump decides to do in 2024.
"Biden only won because the DNC Old Guard rigged their own elections to keep the socialists at bay; they knew a "moderate" like Biden was their only chance to beat Trump."
Whatever the DNC did or didn't do, Trump almost beat them despite that and what was unarguably the real factor--which was the economic collapse of 2020. A lot of people blame whomever is in charge when things go bad, even when they shouldn't, and after the pandemic itself, the progressive lockdowns, and the economic collapse of 2020, there was no good reason to think Trump would do as well as he did.
Public opinion is still against the progressives in swing states and swing districts, if the progressives keep railing against Manchin instead of joining him on his side of the issues, they won't have that advantage in 2022.
The dems will loose 2022 then win big in 2024 after fortifying the election process
Biden won because Trump couldn’t rein in his deeply offensive personality.
Biden won because the election was fraudulent. The numbers were ridiculous and not even mail-in voting could account for the incredible increase.
60 courts with 80 judges, 3 on the Supreme Court appointed by Pussy Grabber all agree there was NO election fraud. I live in a state that ONLY votes by mail and has had almost zero fraud.
No judge ruled on anything you lying twat. They all refused to hear the cases and weaseled out on merit arguments.
Name even one time any court said "there was NO election fraud".
I'll wait.
State and federal judges DISMISSED more than 50 lawsuits presented by then President Donald Trump and his allies challenging the election or its outcome. Independent experts, governors and state election officials from both parties say there was no evidence of widespread fraud.
“The Republicans did not provide evidence to back up their assertions — just speculation, rumors or hearsay.” On Nov 27, 2020 a federal appeals court rejected a Trump campaign proposal to block Biden from being declared the winner of Pennsylvania. At the time, Stephanos Bibas, on behalf of the three-judge panel wrote: “Free, fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy. Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so." It added: “Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here." Similarly, on Dec. 12, the U.S. Supreme Court rejected a long-shot lawsuit by the state of Texas and backed by Trump, which sought to throw out voting results in four states. In a brief order, the justices said Texas did not have legal standing to bring the case. On Dec. 1, then-Attorney General William Barr said that the Justice Department had found no evidence of widespread voter fraud in the election, even as President Trump kept up his legal efforts to reverse his defeat. Two weeks later, Barr announced his resignation from the Trump administration.
You are so full of shit.
And yet with all those supposed examples you provided, the media still had to constantlyie about Trump woth made up stories you blindly repeated.
I’ll take offensive personality over failed policies and inflation any day.
Mike stopped just short of yelling "Mean tweets!"
Maybe you cawed her bluff.
As much as I hate to agree with this idiot, he is right. Trump is his own worst enemy who can’t control his mouth or Tweeting fingers. Even the pandemic would not have derailed him if he hadn’t put off the sensibilities of the Karens.
Umm, thank you?
I'm almost certain that this is it for Pelosi and she's not even running again. There are rumors that she has already bought her multi-million dollar Florida retirement house through a straw purchaser.
Yeah, she was planning to retire anyway, and now she's a lame duck.
She burned that bridge with the Congressional Progressive Caucus when she fought to have a vote taken on the infrastructure bill.
They won't do anything for her again. She's working for them now.
Have you seen her speak in public not reading a statement lately? She’s as bad as Biden at this point. Maybe worse.
Did her party want to literally hang her from gallows? Pence refused to let HIS secret service drive him away because he was afraid that benedict donald had forced them to bring him in and hang him. You got WORSE?
Keep on coping.
This is what happens when you smoke unfiltered CNN, kids.
Not even once.
You’re a very stupid sociopath. Not a good combination, but perfect to be a democrat drone.
How long did you wait for JFK and JFKjr. down in dallas, TX? Were those just very stupid sociopaths? Or just some of mushroom dick's poorly educated worker bees? Either way they got stung again by QAnon.
When she tried to explain why it was okay for politicians to insider trade, I think even the party bosses knew it was time to put old Nancy to pasture.
Even dbruces far-left pals are turning on her.
https://jacobinmag.com/2021/12/congress-owning-trading-stocks-corruption-aoc
That is the law the Congressmen made for themselves, I don't like it any more than you. While lawmakers who violate the STOCK Act face a fine, the penalty is usually small — $200 is the standard amount — or waived by House or Senate ethics officials. Ethics watchdogs and even some members of Congress have called for stricter penalties or even a ban on federal lawmakers from trading individual stocks, although neither has come to pass. Nancy has been married to a super-rich wine orchard owner for decades.
Nancy has been married to a contractor who wins lots of no-bid gov't contracts. For decades.
Amazing how all your heroes are corrupt tyrants.
So the greatest communist leaders are the least competent at communism. Might be a lesson there.
Two points:
1) The Four Asian Tigers were a model for what China could be--and Hong Kong's success was a fundamental embarrassment to the communism of mainland China.
"The Four Asian Tigers . . . are the economies of South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore and Hong Kong. Between the early 1960s and 1990s, they underwent rapid industrialization and maintained exceptionally high growth rates of more than 7 percent a year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Asian_Tigers
Hong Kong was especially notable because 1) It was among the most capitalist economies in the world, 2) it was fundamentally as Chinese as the mainland, and 3) the people of Hong Kong didn't just enjoy a higher standard of living than people on the Chinese mainland. The people of Hong Kong had a higher standard of living (GDP per capita) than the people of the UK! It was harder to pretend their wounds weren't self-inflicted by their economic system when Hong Kong was putting both the UK and mainland China to shame.
2) It was joining the WTO.
The has never been a time when more people have been lifted out of subsistence farming level poverty over a shorter period of time than over the last 20 years--which is when China joined the WTO. Pursuing admission to the WTO fundamentally changed China because control of the economy was suddenly driven by market forces rather than the desires of the CCP. Xi's recent behavior towards Chinese companies trying to list on western stock exchanges and even Chinese companies being dependent on other western companies is largely driven by a desire to reassert control that was lost to market forces.
If Chinese companies don't want to do what Xi wants because they're afraid that what Xi wants will hurt their sales and investment sources in the U.S. and Europe, then Xi sees trade and investment with the west as a big problem. See the latest example below.
"U.S. semiconductor giant Intel Corp. . . . apologized following a social-media backlash over a letter it sent suppliers asking them to avoid sourcing from the Chinese region of Xinjiang, where the Chinese government has conducted a campaign of forcible assimilation against religious minorities.
"In a letter to global suppliers, dated this month and published in several languages on its website, Intel called on its business partners to steer clear of the remote northwestern region of China, noting that “multiple governments have imposed restrictions on products sourced from the Xinjiang region. Therefore, Intel is required to ensure our supply chain does not use any labor or source goods or services from the Xinjiang region.”
----WSJ, December 23, 2021
https://www.wsj.com/articles/intel-apologizes-after-asking-suppliers-to-avoid-chinas-xinjiang-region-11640261303?
We see Intel apologizing for publicly refusing to source from suppliers in Xinjiang as a problem, but the fact is that Intel (and hundreds of other western companies) are subject to market forces and consumer sentiment beyond China's borders--and beyond the control of Emperor Xi. There isn't anything good about discouraging Chinese companies' access to investment and access to western companies that will be good for China's economy.
For the CCP to claim that their actions are what caused China's economic boom is especially striking when compared to Xi's actions trying to cut Chinese companies off from western capital and western markets--the very things that made the Chinese economy boom. Xi is consciously and purposely sacrificing economic growth in order for the CCP to assert more control over the economy, and there is no good reason to believe that will results in more economic growth over the long run than there would have been otherwise.
P.S. Milton Friedman was wrong to think he was wrong about the liberating consequences of trade and capitalism--just because it didn't happen as quickly as he thought doesn't mean those forces aren't at play or that they won't result the outcome he originally envisioned for China.
So Intels dissing Groper Joe? So everyone hates him.
To continue the parody, Joe an Lie
Does anybody understand what this guy is saying?
Yes.
"Hong Kong was especially notable because 1) It was among the most capitalist economies in the world, 2) it was fundamentally as Chinese as the mainland, and 3) the people of Hong Kong didn't just enjoy a higher standard of living than people on the Chinese mainland. The people of Hong Kong had a higher standard of living (GDP per capita) than the people of the UK! It was harder to pretend their wounds weren't self-inflicted by their economic system when Hong Kong was putting both the UK and mainland China to shame."
Add:
3) Hong Kong did so lacking in almost all natural resources; they imported almost 100% of what they needed.
Make that 4)
It's what Heinlen meant by the quip about two Chinese getting rich by trading rocks with each other.
Or just compare South Korea and North Korea. South Koreans are not only much wealthier, they are taller and live longer and only have to serve 2 years in the army, compared to 10 for North Koreans.
Communism doesn't just make everyone poorer, it is lethal.
Prior to the commie take-over, the north was the industrial powerhouse of Korea.
You see what commies can accomplish right there; turn what was then a modern, industrial society into a medieval duchy, unable to feed the population, run by blood-thirsty tin-pot dictators.
There have been a lot of reports of China becoming a world power with Xi's aggressive stance showing the west for the weaklings they are. I think that is backwards. Foreign aggressiveness is usually a sign of domestic troubles, whether in democracies or dictatorships. Not always; the US imperialism of the late 1880s seems more like a new expansion once the west was won. But Xi does have domestic problems, as shown by his smothering of Hong Kong and forcing through his life reign instead of stepping down, sort of like FDR running for a third term.
I wouldn't be surprised if the CCP collapses within a decade after Xi either kicks the bucket or has the bucket kicked out from under him.
A China on the brink of decline is probably more dangerous than a China on the ascent, too. When the status quo is going your way, there isn't a need for extraordinary measures. When they start seeing Western markets, investment, and influence as more of a threat than an opportunity, it certainly doesn't mean they're confident.
Their days as the low cost manufacturer to the world may be over. The population is aging faster than any country in the modern world, and relaxing the one-child policy isn't likely to change that--because the forces that are driving the low birth rate (opportunities for women and education) are also the driving force of economic development.
Meanwhile, supply chains all over the world are disentangling themselves from China, and they're trying to deal with a real estate bubble that might make the mortgage crisis here in the U.S. look like a blip. And in the meantime, the Emperor is cutting the consumer technology industries within China off at the knees?
They're not about to collapse into anarchy, and I'm not predicting a revolution or an invasion of Taiwan. But their economy and their development prospects are facing some mighty headwinds. What's happened for China over the past 20 years probably won't be what happens to them over the next 20 years. If we had a government that was capitalist policies instead of socialist ones, we'd be in a position to really take advantage of the situation.
I hope Mexico can step in and take over some of the manufacturing. They have been building some capacity for electronics manufacturing in Tijuana. Growth in that sector would be good for Mexico, but also relieve economic pressure Mexico puts on the U.S.
Maybe that would get some of Biden’s illegals out of the US.
Amid a partial government shutdown sparked by President Donald Trump's demand for $5.7 billion toward the construction of a barrier on the U.S.-Mexico border, about a dozen Latino workers at a Trump golf club were fired because they were undocumented immigrants, according to a report from The Washington Post.
The workers and their attorney told the Post that they were fired from their jobs at the Trump National Golf Club Westchester – located in Briarcliff Manor, New York – after the company conducted an audit of the immigration documents it had been given and determined that theirs were fake. Unindicted Co-Conspirator had regular trips down to Costa Rica to pick up illegals. He liked illegals because he didn't have to fire them, just call ICE.
They have already started genocides, and released pathogens into the world. Weather they are ascending or declining is irrelevant to how dangerous they are.
And for those idiots that say the lab leak was an accident, how would the international community take it if the US nuked Wuhan and being and said "oops our finger slipped on the button, it was an accident"
And bejing *. Stupid autocompleat making me look like an even worse speller than I am
Actually, countries who see themselves as being on the brink of disaster if they don't act are far more dangerous than countries who see themselves as being ascendant.
If wed taken control of China after WW2 instead of just focusing on Japan we wouldnt have this mess.
What makes you think we'd have been any more successful in "taking control" of China than we were in Vietnam or Afghanistan?
Or do you think we should have declared war on China and bombed them to smithereens first--like we did with Germany and Japan?
Is this guy being sarcastic?
Nope, dave is dumb.
We should have permitted our pilots to pursue the ChiCom planes past the Yalu during the Korean War. If the conflict widened we could have nuked Beijing or any other target of interest. The concern at the time was that the Soviets would aid the Red Chinese, but records show that they were incapable of significant help, and would almost certainly sat quietly by.
This was the beginning of American decline.
Once the Soviets chased the Japanese out of Manchuria and North Korea, they left everything, the administration of the government and the Japanese military hardware, to the Chinese communists, who had the Nationalists surrounded in the cities. By that time, there was little the United States could have done to stop Stalin from invading China and supporting the communists--even if there hadn't been an agreement between Stalin and the Allies.
"The Soviet occupation of Manchuria, along with the northern portions of the Korean Peninsula, allowed for those regions to be transferred by the Soviet Union into the control of local communists. The control of these regions by communist governments backed by Soviet authorities would be a factor in the rise of the Chinese Communists and shape the political conflict of the Korean War."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Manchuria#Aftermath
We might have gone to war with the Japanese, the communists, and the Soviets, but why would we assume that the Chinese people would back an American occupation government--or that this war between Soviet backed communists would have gone any better than the Korean War?
Are you sure the communists wouldn't have come to power anyway? The forces that drove the communist victory had a lot more behind them than the U.S. deciding not to win a battle or two--and there is no good reason to think the Chinese people would have reacted differently to U.S. occupation than the people of Afghanistan or Vietnam--or the way the people of Montana feel about being occupied by Southern Californians.
This looks like (Wishful Thinking)^2.
Based on the way they rolled over for the japanese, I wouldnt have been too concerned with their ability to defend themselves.
They didn't roll over for the Japanese. Both the Nationalists and the communists fought like hell--with a lot of support from the Soviet Union. In fact, it was the Soviet Union's support that helped cement the communists decision to stop attacking the Nationalists and concentrate on fighting the Japanese instead of each other. They were fighting both the Japanese army and each other before then. And they took massive casualties. All that broke down when Germany invaded Soviet Union and the money stopped flowing from the Soviet Union to the Chinese armies fighting the Japanese.
And once it became clear that the Japanese were overextended--fighting the U.S. in the Pacific, the Soviet Union, and the various Chinese armies--the Chinese started fighting each other again over who would run the government after the Japanese were gone. Former combatants uniting just to defeat an invading occupation force is a pretty standard phenomenon--going back to the Greeks fighting the Persian invaders and running through Assad and the rebels uniting just long enough to defeat ISIS.
This happened in Vietnam, as well, where the one thing the nationalists and the communists in the North agreed on was that they wanted to be free of foreign domination or occupation--not by the Chinese, not by the French, and not by the Americans. I suspect all sorts of opposing political parties in Poland would welcome American troops and bases in their country at this point--because they fear an invasion by the Russians. As soon as that fear went away (if it ever did), they'd probably want us back out of their country again. And if they wanted to us to leave and we didn't go, there would be serious trouble.
The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President This insightful collection is grounded in historical consciousness of the ways professionals have responded to fascist leaders and unstable politicians in the past. It is a valuable primary source documenting the critical turning point when American psychiatry reassessed the ethics of restraining commentary on the mental health of public officials in light of the "duty to warn" of imminent danger. John Kelly his COS on Jan 6: "thought was literally MAD and needed to be removed by the 25th Amend. because he was mentally unfit. " Mnuchin agreed. Pompeo SOS agreed and thought he should be taken for legal analysis of his mental state.
Lol. Wow. You really are dumb. Those 27 psychiatrists violated their ethics code, yet you raise them up as if they were a non partisan collection of reason.
He’s retarded.
You are confusing the Goldwater Rule, which had its genesis in the 1964 United States presidential campaign. Barry wasn't on twitter 20 hours per day. Stable genius asked about nuking hurricanes. Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley warned senior military officials that the commander in chief could “go rogue” and instructed them to clear any nuclear launch orders with him first. Pelosi feared Trump might use nuclear weapons in his last days in office and asked a top general how stop it. https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a33658771/trump-keeps-saying-the-f-35-is-invisible/
You don't seem to realize most of those psychiatrists were fired for that because no matter how you try to explain it away, they did all deliberately violate the Goldwater rule.
Here's the one who was canned by Yale:
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/03/yale-psychiatrist-who-declared-trump-mentally-unfit-has-been-fired-and-shes-suing/
"Lee’s superiors at Yale warned her about it, and it was one of the factors in her firing:
“Although the committee does not doubt that you are acting on the basis of your personal moral code,” the letter read, “your repeated violations of the APA’s Goldwater Rule and your inappropriate transfer of the duty to warn from the treatment setting to national politics raised significant doubts about your understanding of crucial ethical and legal principles in psychiatry.”
The American Psychiatric Association’s Goldwater Rule states that it is unethical for psychiatrists to comment on a public figure’s mental faculties in an official capacity unless after a medical examination."
There is an epilogue to this book written by the redoubtable Noam Chomsky. The two greatest threats to the planet, he tells us, are global warming and nuclear holocaust, and Trump is a menace on both counts. You do not have to be a psychiatrist to believe that. Benedict donald's continuance of his claim there was election fraud when there has been overwhelming evidence of it not being true. In 2007 he was under oath and the opposing lawyers got him to lie 30 times!! They could have got him to lie 100s of times but they were laughing so hard they had to stop. Trump lied so much and he couldn't remember his lies to questions he just lied about minutes before. Memory Loss, Mood Changes, Problems Speaking and Writing, Difficulty Doing Familiar Things, and Problems With Visual and Spatial Perception.
Steve Bannon says he has Dementia. Did check to see if there was enough people to use 25th Amendment to remove Trump for Dementia.
You’ve got to be a parody. No one could be this willfully obtuse.
Right!
You really got the refuting thing down. Didn't refute even one sentence, so my only conclusion is all of my post is fact. Then to call me some vague negative adjectives. Trying checking out some debate books to improve your formal discourse on a particular topic.
And none of that horseshit you just wrote has any merit from the perspective of the American Psychiatric Association or any serious psychologist.
It's a pack of DNC operatives calling names based on shit they read on CNN.
You could be right or wrong about whether they should be fired BUT it has nothing to do with whether they were right about agent orange. You should read the book, which hit it on the nail, stable genius is the most messed up person on the planet and should be put in a padded room for the rest of his life. He ONLY cares about himself, just look at losing the election which he will never admit losing even though many courts and judges have found him with sparse evidence of any fraud voluminous enough to overturn the "massive landslide win".
Haha!! Every court needs a fool. We have several.
Also, the writer in your old Pop Mech link gives his game away while covering his ass from lawsuits:
"Instead, Trump is most likely using mental shorthand. When he says the plane is “invisible,” he's referring to its radar-evading qualities. This is the most obvious possibility ... but Trump also never mentions radar."
So the whole article was written on a dishonest premise that the writer admits was flimsy, but plows ahead with anyway.
Aren't you embarrassed? To fall for this you have to be incredibly gullible or stupid.
One of the lefty shits muted - assume stupid.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/sorry-donald-trump-f-35-stealth-fighter-not-invisible-167714 Even after people telling him they are not invisible his bad memory keeps him asking how they find the plane when it is invisible. This is one of the reasons he lies so much, 0.87 lies per hour, he can't remember. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwikmZeD54L1AhWoDjQIHT6iB4A4FBAWegQIExAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.politifact.com%2Farticle%2F2016%2Fjul%2F06%2F17-things-donald-trump-said-and-then-denied-saying%2F&usg=AOvVaw3b9HIzIT9X43vsmBLU0lZ6
I’m guessing you bitterly masturbate videos of Trump’s speeches. As you’re so obsessed with him.
No, I usually do your mom from behind, why does she yell your name?
One of the lefty shits muted - assume stupid and TDS-addled besides.
F-35 stealth fighters are effectively invisible to radar. Which is incidentally the only way to see it when a plane is cruising at Mach 1.6 at 50,000 feet.
Yet again your writer is trying to obviously trick the idiots with middle-school sophistry, and yet again he declaims his own article in the small print.
"it is doubtful the president actually thinks the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter is in fact invisible to the naked eye and Trump is probably referring to its radar signature."
So even your own article says it's bullshit. He's trusting a lot of credulous idiots like you will never get past the headlines.
It's funny how you've never actually read your own links. You must be related to Shrike.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a33658771/trump-keeps-saying-the-f-35-is-invisible/
That doesn't mean the 27 were wrong, (a good lawyer can win any case, (See O J Simpson), if you had read the book, you would 100% agree with their analysis. The Goldwater rule should have been gotten rid of decades ago, they kept it for the money. Stable genius is a psychotic liar, with 0.87 lies per hour during his 4 years. Pick up any book on psychology at a library and you will notice that pussy grabber is described to a tee with dozens of different mental disorders that are patterns of behavioral or psychological symptoms that impact multiple areas of life, especially Comm. in Chief. Benedict donald had a dad who was a monster and BD passed it down to his younger brother on a daily basis.
The notion that China's vast energy and transportation infrastructure that has fueled economic growth, has arisen, unplanned, due to bottom up efforts of China's working class is muddle headed.
Cue the socialist assertion, with zero to back its argument. There were a few mainstream 'think pieces' on Deng's 'relaxation' of communism, allowing for small businesses to delve into capitalism. Time mag, NYT, I think, for starters, if you want to look at them. This, and China's expansion via 'public works' projects into Africa and Asia provided more of the required materials and funds to fuel growth than what you are trying to claim, sophist.
"Time mag, NYT, I think, for starters, if you want to look at them. "
My advice: think for yourself and don't rely on Time, NYT or Reason to think for you. The notion that China's infrastructure arose, unplanned, through the efforts of uncoordinated workers is silly on its face.
You completely misunderstand the article. The bottoms up created wealth and commerce that the state confiscated to launch infrastructure projects like the vacant cities and freeways.
You misunderstand me. The bottoms up didn't create any wealth without using the energy and transportation infrastructure that the state planned and built. You can't build an economy without energy.
Their " capitalism isnt. Its 100% Govt controlled. The capitalist front is appearance at the trade zones at the ports.
Past that its 100% CCP.
"Past that its 100% CCP."
No, the private cultivation, trade and use of a mildly psychoactive cancer causer popularly chewed by some men, binglang.( 槟榔) or betel in English continues despite government attempts to suppress it, banning ads on tv, etc. It's important not to overestimate the reach of Beijing, especially in China's vast hinterland, like Hunan in this case.
US economic policy should feature things that bolster our economy and hurt theirs. China is a serious threat. Almost as great as the democrat party.
"US economic policy should feature things that bolster our economy and hurt theirs."
As long as no planning goes into this US economic policy you envision.
Mostly it was unlimited debt and fake projects. The whole house of cards is teetering.
Yeap. Fake urban growth to make the appearance of economic growth.
https://rockriverhills.com/chinas-ghost-cities-where-to-find-them-and-how-to-explore-them/
We need a patriotic president that will work hard to cause the Chinese economy to collapse. Not this senile leftist who is bought and paid for by China.
A new book is pulling back the curtain on how much pussy grabber enriched himself and his family while he was in office, finding that nearly $1.7 billion in revenue flowed through him and his organizations during his four years as commander-in-chief. The Constitution calls it foreign and domestic emoluments.
Nice rebuttal. You must be related to Mikee, who also has a strange understanding of that concept.
"Nice rebuttal. "
Thank you.
"You must be related to Mikee, who also has a strange understanding of that concept."
What concept? The concept that you need a foundation of transportation, energy, literacy etc to build an economy? The concept that providing such infrastructure requires planning?
The US became an economic powerhouse before having all of that, and without the feds controlling it. The interstate system didn't even begin until the 50s under Eisenhower.
You remind me of vandavar bush. As soon as you open your mouth you are completely wrong due to history already proving you incorrect, you are just too stupid to realize it
I was referring to China and the Communist party. Not the US, or the Republican party.
My original comment:
"The notion that China's vast energy and transportation infrastructure that has fueled economic growth, has arisen, unplanned, due to bottom up efforts of China's working class is muddle headed."
We can surely agree. If you want to use electricity from nuclear power plants, for example, careful planning is necessary. Such power plants don't appear without it.
There has to be careful planning to build any kind of energy plant. Is there a point to bringing that up?
He thinks the only people who can do any planning are governments. It's not like private entities do their own extensive analytics in order to produce sufficient energy to meet the needs of their customers.
Now, it's true that there's degrees of government involvement in utilities, which is why they're able to run power lines all over; they can force an easement across private property. But you know who builds and maintains that infrastructure? The private power companies, who keep track of it of outage on a per minute basis. You can be in the freaking mountains, report an outage at 3:00 am, and the power is back on in time for you to drink your morning coffee because it doesn't have to pass through the entire government apparatus.
It doesn't take central planning to figure out where people need power. It takes a marketplace that has buyers and sellers.
"He thinks the only people who can do any planning are governments. "
You misunderstand. China's economic power is founded on and supported by infrastructure. Like it of not, this infrastructure was planned and put into place under the communist party. I understand why you reject this, as it conflicts with your views on how economic growth should proceed, ie from the bottom up efforts of the private sector and nowhere else. I understand your frustration when reality doesn't live up to your expectations. The world is a cruel place.
I don't believe anything about how economic activity "Should" proceed. I don't have a moral investment in what the proper type of system is.
What I understand is that there are hard laws which are simply how economy functions whether I like it or not. There's always someplace that has a shortage of something but has surplus of something else, so what happens is a bit of economic activity where things are transmitted. Humans have worked out lines of communication and valuations of certain products that streamline this but it actually exists outside of humanity as a process recognized as natural selection.
For example, rabbits. They can breed rapidly, which is an asset for them and is basically permanent. They evolved with limited defensive mechanisms-they're quick, but so are their natural predators. When their natural predators thin out, their population explodes. But if their population grows to the point that they're overconsuming their food supply, they max out. Sometimes there's a "market correction" in the rabbit population, where enough of them die off that the population stabilizes again. They don't go extinct because they overpopulated an area temporarily.
For a longer scale example, look at Australia. At one point Australia had an insane surplus of Eucalyptus trees, while it lacked most other forms of vegetation (as the result of an iceage followed by extensive drought). It also lacked any fauna that could subsist on Eucalyptus because it's really shitty for nutritional value. So you have a product with no purchaser until koalas adapted properly. Now that's basically the only thing koalas do-eat Eucalyptus, sleep, and poop. They're so overspecialized that they're incredibly stupid and vulnerable, but they solved a market deficiency.
I don't think any of this is "Good" or "Bad." I don't assign moral value to the laws of economics anymore than I assign moral value to gravity. It just is, it's how this shit works. China tried to change the variables and they failed, and they started succeeding the less they tried to influence it.
" China tried to change the variables and they failed,"
How can China's energy and transportation infrastructure be a failure? Pre-revolution, literacy rates in China were 20~30% for men and much less for women. Now they are over 90% for both sexes, thanks to a state run effort to improve education. Is this another example of failure?
1800s....
WAY b4 the freeway system.
Weird. I don’t even have strong opinions on China, or think I understand China, but you drag me into it because I’m apparently now living in your head.
Mellow out. It’s the holidays.
So no strong opinions on genocidal totalitarians?
Hint they are the bad guys
"Hint they are the bad guys"
China is not a guy. It's a country.
And...?
Okay Germany in wwii weren't the bad guys because Germany is a country
Germany is both a guy and a country. So bad guy, bad country.
Lol wut?
His last name is Land. And he has kids. Hence Father Land. :p
Lol.
You really are Marxist scum.
You've said that before, haven't you?
Democrats.
Hey, you're the one that thinks the Uighur thing is being exaggerated.
I'm in no position to judge. The western media have been on about the Uyghurs for decades. I doubt they're being exterminated. More likely, the plan is to overwhelm and suppress their culture with Han migration, and the iron hand of a police state as in Tibet.
"I doubt they're being exterminated."
Well then you're an idiot who hasn't been paying attention, because they are and it's horrific.
https://reason.com/video/2021/12/21/she-survived-chinas-attempt-to-erase-her/
For being part of the team that's screaming fascist at everyone, you're sure are having a hard time noticing a genocide that's actually happening front and center.
It is possible that mtrue needs a kidney and is getting one in China from harvested organs
id recommend it get a brain transplant first...the current ones defective
"you're sure are having a hard time noticing a genocide that's actually happening front and center"
It's not happening anywhere I can see. And there's reaspn to be skeptical of the claims of Reason, NYT etc, I've spent time in both Xinjiang and Tibet and I didn't notice any genocide. There's plenty of evidence of the plan to overwhelm China's minorities with Han migration, however.
'Prosperity came not from the cities or from the state-owned enterprises, but from the countryside' -a fact that escapes the progressives and DNC. This, and the fact that humanity loathes a collar, thus the more regulation, the greater the tendency to rebel. Money will be made in grey and black markets when onerous statist authoritarian fuckwits' grasp extends to too many aspects of daily life.
Just as prisons are schools for criminals, so is government repression the best school for unfettered black markets. They both breed what they are designed to stop.
Hank Ferrous? Oh the iron-y...
He has a magnetic personality.
Anyone else find it weird that the media is spending as much time on an Oregon dad for saying let's go brandon as they did regarding red SUVs in parades?
You watch too much tv. Broaden your horizons, I suggest. Maybe take up yoga.
A clip for The Life of Brian: What has the Chinese Communist Party done for us?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ozEZxOsanY
Hey. A nice non sequitur. Congrats buddy. You're completely useless as usual.
Instead of spending your time watching tv fulminating over what they show or don't show you could have mastered the downward facing dog.
Didn't work the first time you said it either.
Don't need to give up so easily. Keep reading in any case, I need all the help I can get after my failure to destroy Christmas.
No! Don't look at that!
Look over there. It's an unrelated humorous clip. Let's talk about that instead." - t. mtrueman
"t. mtrueman"
Abysmally stupid and smug about it!
"Don't look at that!"
Yes that is my point. Watching tv and boiling over with anger at what you see is a poor use of your time.
I think it's as necessary now as it was in the 30's.
You seem to be very angry someone is pointing out dems attacking a guy for making fun of Biden.
It was you who brought up the subject, even in the context of an article about China and her economic development, so passionate your anger for Biden. To me he's bland and doesn't inspire any strong emotion. I don't think I've listened to more than a few sentences from him since he was elected. Or before. I watched him in one of his debates with Trump.
Not sure anyone has been able to comprehend more than a few sentences from Biden since he was elected. This is a win though since saber ratting for invasions and racist crimes bills were his signatures before. Let’s go Brandon.
"Not sure anyone has been able to comprehend more than a few sentences from Biden since he was elected."
Possibly. The subject is of little interest to me. I paid a lot more attention to what Trump said, but only for my amusement.
You give advice to people from a place defined mostly of ignorance, in a passive aggressive attempt to annoy people you disagree with.
Worth repeating:
trueman: Abysmally stupid and smug about it!
"attempt to annoy people you disagree with"
Attempt? Read the threads following my comments. Annoying people who disagree with me is my greatest success here. And it's so easy. Like taking candy from a baby.
You democrats are the ones obsessed about it. Hypocritical scum that you are.
I don't watch tv and so I don't discuss things I've seen or not seen on tv that makes me angry.
"You democrats are the ones obsessed about it."
You are the one insisting on discussing it. I advise taking yoga as a more attractive and useful alternative of spending your time. The down ward facing dog sounds demanding, I grant you, but your efforts will surely be rewarded with a sunnier disposition and broader horizons.
I saw it 8 different places and only heard it once.
The more China cracks down on billionaires, the faster China will collapse economically, as the USSR did.
Chink-as already collapsed like we are.
Its just not at the " hungry rioters in the streets".
Chi Coms din' do dat.
TAIWAN DID. TW and SK and Japan did it.
And did it to us btw....
Not the Takers in the CCP.
Im glad my name isnt Dung Chow!
The Chinese Communists have American capitalism to thank for China's economic growth. All the Chinese had to do was provide slave labor to supply Muh Free Markuts with cheap stuff and the money rolled in to China. The government there knew how to convert dollars to hegemony, and here we are.
Wal Mart.
Nuff said.
Those bastards buy on 100-th of a cent on the dollar and peddle crap at Us scale prices.
Worse they eliminated the supply chain and their stores are warehouses with a couple cash registers tacked on front.
Then they pretend to be generous with a tiny discount.
Fuck China
Fuck Wal Mart
Fuck Joe Biden
With hot insider deal for the Biden’s, the Kerry’s, Pelosi, Feinstein, Swallowswell, and many other connected democrats.
I'm thinking the only people who loathe the CCP more than this board are living over there.
Xi, and any other tyrant, holds on by not being entirely unbearable. The best thing any government can do for business is to get out of the way, but now that it's turning into a geopolitical pissing match (cheered on by Trudeau of all people,) I suspect we'll see quality of life dip appreciably as nations force companies to re-source their products.
India could take Chink-as place except the shipping costs are higher and China uses..guess who...for slave labor.
You know who else claimed false credit for an economic recovery?
I-bama!
FDR? And probably every other leftist leader.
So the Lame Stream media LIED AGAIN..
They screamed "3000 flights cancelled"
https://news.yahoo.com/u-airlines-scrap-hundreds-christmas-165427350.html
What made China an economic power is our (the rest of the world) willingness to buy goods from them, overlooking that they could sell things so cheap because of incredibly low labor costs and no concern about the environment
Western companies got addicted to huge profit margins. And as their people grew wealthier, as another market (especially media)
There should be a concerted effort to decouple our economy from China. Instead, Traitor Biden has declared a moratorium on domestic extraction of rare earth minerals, while pushing for EV mandates.
Bone spurs blew that, pulling out of TPP, and letting China build a new one without us and adding India. The world's greatest negotiator, NOT.
Bone Spurs……
Ok faggot,, you do know Biden had as many deferments as Trump, right? And since when has Trump EVER been a war hawk?
Also, TPP was shit. You and your friends should get out of the way, or better yet, kill yourselves. Then we can save this country from your Marxism, and your stupidity.
Bone spurs never had a legitimate deferment, his dad bought a "bone spurs" slip from a doctor who was renting from him. Benedict arnold boasted on Howard Stern of avoiding STDs while dating, vaginas are "landmines ... It Is my personal Vietnam". TPP was crap but it was better than nothing, like what the World's greatest negotiator got for us, not to mention the climate deal, Iran deal, and on and on which he pulled out of because he is a racist and didn't want anything Obama did. Mushroom dick likely killed 1000s of Americans because he threw away Obama's pandemic manual.
"Western companies got addicted to huge profit margins."
Bullshit. If they did, I'd hold their stock.
We all got used to low prices and while China is guilty of slave labor, low labor costs are available elsewhere.
The problem is that the ChiComs have purchased. Most of the democrat party.
Who was that maskless man Tonto?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10344885/Mask-brawl-erupts-80-year-old-man-younger-woman-flight-Tampa-Atlanta.html
Chad Smith.
John Lithgow?
There is no excuse for elder abuse.
If the guy was 80, is younger the default?
You know what irony is? I’ll tell you. Once back in the good ol’ days China was the one stuck in the Cultural Revolution. Now it’s us under Marshal Joe [Biden] and his communist policies that currently are giving us 6% economic growth but next year will probably give us -99.9%. The Biden economic trainwreck is just a few wingnuts away.
Slept during math class?
"But other factions of the Central Committee cautioned against such excesses. Policies and counter-policies generated much confusion on the ground. No one could be sure of the "correct" party line"
That sounds like the Lefts covid response...FJB
Thank you, Gustav Jonsson for an excellent article pointing out yet another of modern history’s stubbornly enduring shibboleths.
More articles like this, please Reason! And as this appears to be Mr Jonsson’s first contribution, please keep him in mind as a potential regular!
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China's own top-down policies definitely created a lot of death and poverty. No doubt there. And it is true that Deng didn't "raise people out of poverty" himself just as it is true that Reagan didn't create an American economic boom. But they were both in the right position at the right time and didn't screw up.
However, this article seems to want to ignore top-down actions that have created a lot of public good. The question should be "at what cost?" not doubting the good can exist.
China can build rail and transport at incredible rates because of control over the judiciary, a lack of property rights, and plenty other controls that I don't with to live under. However if those rail lines connect more people to previously unavailable opportunities then it is good.
My answer to "at what cost?" is "a much higher cost to individual freedom than I am willing to pay" but that shouldn't mean we don't acknowledge the positive things that can result from competent top-down government action.
And yet you miss the BIG picture entirely.
Because you're too busy and brain-washed with with making [WE] mob plans to acknowledge Individual Liberty and Justice.
There is only a VERY FEW items that requires the loss of liberty to sustain nationhood. A Strong National Defense is #1. The rest are outlined in the U.S. Constitution.
What hilarious wit! ... (Did your mommy help you write it?)
Funnier than anything you're EVER written TDS-addled spastic asshole
Fuck off and die.