The Study That Convinced the CDC To Support Mask Mandates in Schools Is Junk Science
Plus: Julian Assange faces extradition, the GOP is paying Donald Trump's legal expenses, and more...

On September 28, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Director Rochelle Walensky shared the results of a new study that appeared to confirm the need for mask mandates in schools. The study was conducted in Arizona over the summer, and published by the CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report: It found that schools in counties without mask mandates had 3.5 times more outbreaks than schools in counties with mask mandates.
The significance of that finding should have raised eyebrows, according to The Atlantic's David Zweig. "A number of the experts interviewed for this article said the size of the effect should have caused everyone involved in preparing, publishing, and publicizing the paper to tap the brakes," he wrote in a new article that explores the study's significant flaws. "Instead, they hit the gas."
His article demonstrates quite convincingly that the study's results are suspect:
But the Arizona study at the center of the CDC's back-to-school blitz turns out to have been profoundly misleading. "You can't learn anything about the effects of school mask mandates from this study," Jonathan Ketcham, a public-health economist at Arizona State University, told me. His view echoed the assessment of eight other experts who reviewed the research, and with whom I spoke for this article. Masks may well help prevent the spread of COVID, some of these experts told me, and there may well be contexts in which they should be required in schools. But the data being touted by the CDC—which showed a dramatic more-than-tripling of risk for unmasked students—ought to be excluded from this debate. The Arizona study's lead authors stand by their work, and so does the CDC. But the critics were forthright in their harsh assessments. Noah Haber, an interdisciplinary scientist and a co-author of a systematic review of COVID-19 mitigation policies, called the research "so unreliable that it probably should not have been entered into the public discourse."
It turns out that there were numerous problems with the study. Many of the schools that comprise its data set weren't even open at the time the study was completed; it counted outbreaks instead of cases; it did not control for vaccination status; it included schools that didn't fit the criteria. For these and other reasons, Zweig argues that the study ought to be ignored entirely: Masking in schools may or may not be a good idea, but this study doesn't help answer the question. Any public official—including and especially Walensky—who purports to follow the science should toss this one in the trash.
In other COVID-19 news, the CDC is now recommending the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines over Johnson & Johnson due to the rare blood-clotting issues relating to the later. According to Fox Business:
Regulators eventually decided that the benefits of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine outweighed the risks, but the FDA released new data this week showing that more cases have occurred in the summer and fall.
Women between the ages of 30 and 49 are most affected by the blood clotting issue at a rate of about 1 in 100,000 shots.
Health officials have confirmed 54 cases of the blood clots, nine of which have been fatal, CDC official Dr. Isaac See said Thursday. Two more deaths are suspected to be related to the blood clotting issue.
The J&J shot doesn't seem to provide much protection against the now-surging omicron variant, in any case.
Speaking of omicron, the latest COVID-19 variant is spreading throughout the U.S., and is already causing a wave of shutdowns on some college campuses, including Cornell University, Stanford University, Georgetown University, New York University, and Princeton University. That these campuses all saw cases spike despite 95 percent vaccination rates likely means that the vaccines are not doing nearly enough to slow and stop infection, though they still seem to offer significant protection against severe disease and death.
That will end up being key: In Washington, D.C., for instance, high vaccination rates meant that while the delta wave did cause a spike in cases, the city's death rate did not increase at all.
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— Christian Britschgi (@christianbrits) December 16, 2021
Hopefully, we see something similar with omicron, though everyone should prepare for Democratic officials to bring back mask mandates (and maybe lockdowns) in response to rising cases. Mayor Muriel Bowser will probably reinstate D.C.'s mask mandate—just as soon as her own holiday parties are over.
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Last week, a British court ruled that Julian Assange could face extradition to the U.S. Assange's legal team has argued that doing so would put Assange's health in grave danger: He has already suffered a mini stroke, and his brother has said, "I have no doubt he will die" if extradited.
For years, the founder of WikiLeaks hid in the U.K.'s Ecuadorian embassy to evade government authorities who want to prosecute him for publishing the Chelsea Manning leaks, which revealed horrific wrongdoings perpetrated by the U.S. military. The effort to punish Assange is a blow to freedom of the press and the First Amendment, and one that all civil libertarians ought to oppose.
One MSNBC columnist, Frank Figliuzzi, is treating the possible extradition of Assange as a potential window into…the Mueller investigation:
Former President Donald Trump already faces a future filled with legal battles in multiple federal, state and local jurisdictions from Georgia to the District of Columbia to New York state and Manhattan. And, now, a British court decision against WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange could resurrect the two seminal questions from special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation: Did Trump obstruct justice, and did his campaign collude with Russia? Assange, an Australian citizen sitting in Her Majesty's Prison Belmarsh in southeast London, may hold the key that reopens the prosecutive possibilities.
Liberals should be howling about the unjust persecution of Assange, not salivating at the near-zero chance that he would provide new information that would bring back the possibility of criminal charges against former President Donald Trump.
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The Republican Party is paying Trump's legal expenses, according to The Washington Post:
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- New York City's new mayor, Eric Adams, wants to close Rikers.
- Trump's efforts to force the Senate to ditch Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R–Ky.) aren't going very well.
- Many universities are requiring students to get booster shots.
- A Florida man was banned from a United flight after attempting to wear a red thong as his mask.
- Anthony Fauci prefers the word "requirements" to "mandates."
- A Soho Forum debate announcement:
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New York City's new mayor, Eric Adams, wants to close Rikers.
Is he going to stop making everything in NYC illegal?
Did he have an extended phone call with London Breed?
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Trump's efforts to force the Senate to ditch Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R–Ky.) aren't going very well.
Besides his election, when has Trump been able to get anything over on the establishment?
Poor Trunp, stymied by Deep Republicanism.
Before anyone says different, White Mike is totally not a Democratic party shill. He swears it. Just ask him and he'll tell you.
White Mike is an unapologetic (D)ee
Even though he covers for chemjeff who thinks people should defer to the expertise of public school teachers about what to teach their children.
He's not a democrat, and sarc is funny.
And Jeffy is honest.
And reason is a libertarian magazine .
And Sqrlsy is clever.
Is there a study cited in support of mask use that isn't junk science (or doesn't actually show what people claim it does)? I keep looking at them and have yet to see one that isn't garbage.
I've tried and failed to locate something credible as well.
There was an excellent study done by a guy at MIT about indoor mask use. It didn't really support universal masking or anything, just presented some good data on viral circulation, though everyone misinterpreted it.
What it DID point out was that masking and distancing did jack shit indoors by themselves. What matters is viral concentration and time of exposure, so if you're in a room for a long time with infected people masking means very little, and 6 feet or 30 feet might as well be the same.
The main mitigating factor was fresh air, so opening the doors and windows or having fresh air move through in some other fashion significantly lowered the viral concentrations.
As I said, it was heavily misinterpreted. What it really said was masks work to reduce transmission only where they work -- which is for brief, close, face to face conversations -- and in an environment like a closed room for an extended period masking and distancing doesn't help at all.
These aren't data that support universal masking, outdoor masking, masking and 6' distancing in schools or anything. They also don't say masks don't work ever, just that this model shows they are ineffective when in a room with infected people for longer periods.
The misinterpreters of course said that it meant masks never do anything (places like here), or that it means masks are needed everywhere all the time (lots of mainstream media of a certain ilk).
So, there are likely more good studies saying things on the subject, they're just being buried in the noise. I'm guessing the evidence is not conclusive. But, whatever they say, they will just get misinterpreted as badly as this NOT good study Reason has pointed out to justify whatever the fuck Wallensky intends to do anyway.
And the most important aspect, as you alluded to, was completely ignored: we need to get the viral particles out of the air in indoor environments. For all the studies and arguments and rules/regulations about COVID, I have heard barely a peep about HVAC systems. Presumably, you would want a system that could pull air through a HEPA filter and operate full time. But what about the design of the air return? How much volume of air needs to be filtered to make an impact? What else is needed to make indoor air nearly as safe as outdoor air?
We had an opportunity to make retrofits to buildings that not only would have allowed businesses to reopen faster, but would have continued to provide benefits against influenza and cold for years to come. Instead, public health officials and researchers focused so much on masks and social distancing, they squandered an opportunity to harden society against this and further airborne pathogens.
Good point.
One local leftist councilmember (who has literally been run out of town) was having fits last year because people weren't wearing masks on the seawall where we go to take walks. Outdoors, with a breeze off the water, on very wide walkways (not narrow sidewalks) where we're never getting close to one another for more than a moment as we pass each other.
This is a year into the whole thing when outdoor transmission was pretty much assumed to be zero, and still policymakers are focusing on the wrong things. It has been another year since that council meeting (she was soundly voted down, and over 100 people spoke against her while 4 or 5 were on her side) and still I see Sacramento, NYC and State, Washington state, etc... all acting like they haven't learned anything since April 2020.
As Rand Paul said, cloth masks give people a false sense of security. Very few people understand how Covid is spread. They think it's spread by spending any amount of time near a person without a mask on. Once you understand how Covid is actually spread, then you start to see how nonsensical many of the mitigations are. You also see that they are not doing things that would actually prevent the spread of the virus. In my office, flimsy surgical masks are required when you leave your office; however, people will have long meetings in closed office spaces. When you mention "ventilation", people really don't get it. It feels like we're still living in 1918 as far as medical science goes.
Imagine if the billions of dollars spent by government to “fight Covid” by paying people not to work and enriching cronies had been spent on things like this, and being able to increase ICU capacity when needed.
Not that the government should really be doing any of it, but if they’re gonna do something, might as well do something somewhat beneficial.
Exactly my feelings. I don't think schools should have been given tens or hundreds of billions of dollars to fight COVID (beyond the libertarian argument: it is focusing on the low risk population). But I am especially certain that the money should not have been spent on those stupid plastic desk shields or on hiring janitors to "deep clean" one day per week. Fix the HVAC and maybe you improve the situation a little, but now you also have a system that might reduce the number of colds and flus in the future as well.
You shush. Our little, rural school is getting new turf baseball and softball fields to fight covid. Those will definitely help.
My son's teacher got a new electric car!
Uh...to fight covid.
The misinterpreters of course said that it meant masks never do anything (places like here)
You caught COVID by posting these forums without a mask?!?!
Go ahead, call me on my mendacious, unscientific misinterpretation. Dumbass.
I know for certain that I was posting on these forums last October when I caught the coof. I can't prove that any of you fuckers didn't give it to me that day. I don't remember what else I was doing that day, but I was definitely on here.
You know, now that you mention it, I was also on these boards when I caught Wuhan virus and died. Hmmm…
Me too!
I got better.
Not that I've seen.
Anecdotally, it's obvious that masks are doing something: my kids have brought home far fewer colds this year than in prior years, and the ever-present daycare cough seems nonexistent.
I don't consider this to be a good thing, long-term, but it is nice to longer be dumping money into children's Tylenol.
I am just as intrigued by how people think about risk, and how politicians respond to (and manipulate) that thinking. IMO most people struggle to think quantitatively, and often default to absolute yes/no and all/nothing determinations. And of course, most of these people struggle equally trying to relate benefits and costs.
Thus while we can probably assess the effectiveness of masks as non-zero, for many people that means masks are "highly effective" if not magically perfect. And for most people, operating on an emotional level, masks are as much magic talisman as actual medical devices. Consideration of degrees of effectiveness, and then dependencies on mask type, fit, protocol, context, etc. do not matter to them--or to political/health leaders, who have their own motivations.
Very well put.
Decorating with garlic to keep vampires away.
I do this and it works. Not one vampire has every been in my house.
Also works for ninjas, cyborgs, bigfoot, mutants, and zombies, I am informed.
And tigers.
Can't forget tigers.
Also works for nymphomaniacal barely-legal supermodels.
And the free money delivery service.
To be fair, vampires may only enter your house if invited in. So, it’s not the garlic, it’s your lack of manners.
Is that still the rule?
I mean, now vampires don't go in sun because they sparkle... I just don't know what's real anymore in the monster world.
They pose as CPS inspectors and demand unannounced entry now.
This prolly explains why garlic supplements are used for heart health. They keep away stress-causing humans as well as undead bloodsuckers. 😉
Well put. I'm an analyst so I live in these little grey areas. But the people I deal with, at home and professionally, are mostly wired for binary assessments, so it makes conversations about assessing marginal differences on both a qualitative and quantitative standpoint difficult.
And after 21 months of mask mandates showing no discernible effect at all (in state to state comparisons), politicians still refer to them as "proven mitigation tools" to fight the pandemic.
The evidence for masks as as strong as the evidence for climate change and Keynesianism!
The dumber you are, the more likely you won't wear a mask or Vax, which correlates almost perfectly with the Dems (96 %) and the Stable Genius poorly educated Republicans (54%) he loves. Seems that the "thin the herd" used by many species is survival genius.
The dumber you are, the more likely you won't read the article OR the comment being discussed. Somehow, that makes me think you are using self-flattering definitions of "educated" and "dumb".
Bless. yore. heart.
Here is a little math for you. Masks are NOT 100% effective. Social distancing is NOT 100% effective. Vaccines are NOT 100% effective. Avoiding crowds and indoor places that have poor airflow (ventilation) is NOT 100% effective.
Washing your hands often with soap and water for at least 20 seconds is NOT 100% effective. If you’re not able to wash your hands, use an alcohol-based hand sanitizer that contains at least 60% alcohol is NOT 100% effective.
Cover your mouth and nose with your elbow or a tissue when you cough or sneeze. Throw away the used tissue. Wash your hands right away is NOT 100% effective.
Avoid touching your eyes, nose and mouth is NOT 100% effective.
Clean and disinfect often-touched surfaces daily is NOT 100% effective. Were you able to add that up or NOT?
In the mean time Pink Eye is rampaging through the schools in my area. Our Governor just got defeated in Court over his mask mandate. We'll see how things go after the first of the year.
Are you some kind of anti-masker? All Dems should definitely wear masks to avoid pinkeye, the opaquer the better.
Sanitary measures have sky rocketed in classrooms over COVID, so I don’t see why that shouldn’t be given some credit for less sickness.
I honestly don't think the "enhanced sanitary measures" form the balance of the margin in my own case. Our daycare has always had a rigid regimen of handwashing, disinfecting, etc. Aside from the state-mandated masking and post-exposure room closures, not much has changed.
As an analyst to you have data to support your conclusion that enhanced sanitation did help? Wu flu isn't transfered by surface contact which has been proven, but most other colds are.
Thanks for pointing this out.
One of the covid theater measures is the enhanced deep cleaning stuff. Fomites are rare transmitters for colds, too, though some other diseases can be transmitted (like flu) from fomites, especially if aerosolized in certain environments. So maybe that has made a difference.
The problem with this, in a 'Rona context, is that people won't shake hands for fear of covid. But they do that stupid fucking elbow bump thing.... which gets them way closer on a face to face basis, which i WAY more likely to expose them to the aerosolized respiratory output of the other person than just shaking hands like a normal human being.
People are REALLY fucking bad at assessing risk. That's why someone afraid of flying has no fear while speeding on the freeway while using their phone.
I’m not ascared of flying OR speeding down the freeway while using my phone.
Yeah, the analysts (and lots and lots of other people) are stuck in their own little bubble(s). There's lots of feels and cognitive dissonance going on. The school is having a bake sale and Mrs. Casual commented that she wouldn't buy anything this year because she doesn't know how any of the food was handled and packaged.
In depthTrivial discussion revealed that she knew the facts full well (community of Karens, school managed event, she's a helthcare worker, etc., etc.) and effectively didn't care because germs are icky and COVID is a germ. The next night, we the kids took off to a pizza party.It's like the cops who say "Children under 18 aren't allowed out in public." seemingly unaware that virtually every HS in the country releases virtually every 14-18 yr. old to the wind 5 days a week, 3/4 of the year.
I don't and I won't - I'm not exactly cataloguing all my kids coughs and sneezes, and I'm too small of a sample size from which to draw any firm conclusions anyway. But I think we already got any possible benefit pre-COVID when I moved to the current school from their previous center, which wasn't so rigorous about surface cleaning and handwashing.
so instead of developing stronger immune systems they are setting kids up to get sicker later.
^This
Yep
That's assuming the whole "I don't see the flu." thing isn't an illusion.
Fewer (play) dates, fewer places to go in public, fewer holidays to visit relatives, the local grocery store wiping down the kiddie carts like they never have before... but, nope, straight to "Masks Work!" from a *data analyst*.
Can't fly on Fri. 13th, but if the plane crashes on Sat. 14th, that's OK.
That's assuming the whole "I don't see the flu." thing isn't an illusion.
My health system had twenty inpatients test positive for the flu all of last flu season (10/2020 - 9/2021). We've had two hundred in Oct/Nov of this year.
Fewer (play) dates, fewer places to go in public, fewer holidays to visit relatives, the local grocery store wiping down the kiddie carts like they never have before...
My kids don't ride in kiddie carts (my wife takes them shopping masked, I don't bother); family mixing is unchanged from pre-COVID; we've haven't let COVID stop us from mixing with family since May '20; family is the source of all playdates. It could certainly be a residual from the adults being less social, but the disease path in my house has always been from the kids to the adults.
but, nope, straight to "Masks Work!" from a *data analyst*.
This is a shining example of what Earth-based Human Skeptic posted upthread. I said masks seem to be doing something - I didn't say they're some sort of godsend or anything. Hell, I won't even wear one unless forced and even then am as noncompliant as I can get away with. But on the margins? I'm sure there's some positive effect.
What was the testing regimine for the flu last year? One study showed the flu tests lose efficacy in as little as a week while covid can test for 3 months. How many times was covid tested only? How long did they wait to see a doctor or get a test?
It could certainly be a residual from the adults being less social, but the disease path in my house has always been from the kids to the adults.
For symptomatic or asymptomatic illnesses? Did you know that young children's immune systems aren't generally as strong to some diseases as adults but are stronger to others? So... PCR'ed it all up did you? No wonder COVID analytics are as fucked as they are. Keep talking, it all makes more sense the longer you do so.
Is it the mask? Or is the constant hand-washing and pouring disinfectant all over everything?
Disinfectant?
Social distancing?
Forced quarantine?
Voluntary quarantine?
Retrofitted HVAC (or even just better, or even just clean filters)?
Home cooked meals?
General awareness of asceptic technique?
More 1-on-1 education to (re)enforce asceptic technique?
Nope. Just "Muh masks work!".
Just like burying your murder victim 6 ft. below the some contraband, the police dogs don't know any better and the police officers don't care care to dig deeper once they've found evidence. Fuck the truth. That shit's hard work.
Of all the junk science mask studies promoted by the CDC, this is by far my favorite.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6928e2.htm
Proof!
My favorite part:
Overall, 67 (48.2%) clients volunteered to be tested, and 72 (51.8%) refused; all 67 nasopharyngeal swab specimens tested negative for SARS-CoV-2 by PCR.
More than half the people contacted during the contract tracing process refusing to be tested is somehow evidence that masks work?
Fuckin' selection bias, how does it work?
It is evidence.
Not proof, evidence. Evidence that is very hard to interpret without any control, with massive selection bias, with an environment that isn't controlled (fresh airflow, for example, is a good mitigator, and it WAS Missouri in May)... lots of mitigating factors.
This evidence does NOT support, scientifically, the propaganda graphic in the study. It's just plucking a data point and using it to match your preconception.
The EPA did one at the beginning to evaluate particulate reduction through various common mask types. (The EPA did invent these tests, so it's reasonable). The result was quite low. Most mask types reduced particulate by 20%-40%, with the better ones being full-wrap-around masks (notably, the bandana in the "bandit" style was one of the most effective) since you don't have the bypass by the ears.
Also, please note that these masks were clean, fresh, and properly secured in laboratory settings, compared to a mask that sits in your car glovebox or purse and is showing wear on the elastic earpieces.
This was my actual basis for action. If you are in close, casual contact, a mask might actually reduce your viral load enough to prevent infection (especially in a medical setting where you can expect people to actually be sick). However, in extended contact, you are wasting your time.
" hid in the U.K.'s Ecuadorian embassy to evade government authorities who want to prosecute him for publishing the Chelsea Manning leaks, which revealed horrific wrongdoings perpetrated by the U.S. military."
Don't fib, Robby. They don't give a toss about that. As proven by Manning getting his sentence commuted.
They're mad because of the Snowden stuff, and apocalyptic with rage over the Hillary stuff which they figure lost them the election to Orange Hitler.
Let's not forget that Assange is a Russian agent and Wikileaks works directly for Putin and the KGB, just like Donald Trump, FOX News, and JK Rowling.
"Donald Trump, FOX News, and JK Rowling"
The American left's Axis of Evil?
Joe Manchin is too evil to be included on any list for the lunatic lefties. His own category of evil is required.
They are mad at assange for releasing DNC emails that hurt Hillary.
Like Pelosi apologists getting mad the the person taking a photo of her unmasked at a salon.
I'm no supporter of Nancy Lugosi and I got mad at that. Who wants to see that?
Nancy is a super spreader of government irresponsibility. Also, likely a vampire. Not a sexy sparkly one, but an ugly boring B movie one.
The Unindicted Co-Conspirator wants to replace her, but I don't know the logistics of that while serving multiple life sentences.
Bradley Manning leaked those papers. Don't want to know what Chelsea leaks,
A number of the experts interviewed for this article said the size of the effect should have caused everyone involved in preparing, publishing, and publicizing the paper to tap the brakes...
Tap the brakes on something that furthers the narrative? I don't think so.
That's usually when they stomp on the gas.
"Unintended acceleration"?
No, completely intended.
But after the crash, they claim they had both feet on the brake pedal.
Any public official—including and especially Walensky—who purports to follow the science should toss this one in the trash.
The CDC itself has become trash so it's the perfect place for a shoddy study to land.
They're als the ones telling us we need boosters of the old varieties, and doesn't matter what kind, to protect us from the new cold wave. I'm no expert, but you wouldn't think a completely different mRNA "vaccine" after a J&J one would have any impact on the effectiveness of the J&J. I guess that's code for the fact that they are like a short-term prophylactic, but universal magic vaccine sounds much better.
"One MSNBC columnist, Frank Figliuzzi, is treating the possible extradition of Assange as a potential window into…the Mueller investigation"
Another bombshell.
We've reached the tipping point.
The walls are closing in.
It's the beginning of the end.
#ItsMuellerTime
Breaking News.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjvRJLUWwFs
Ferris Mueller’s Day Off
Scent of a Muell(er)
you never done see me askin' for a UFO in Tomahawk County
You can't imagine how long that "Mueller?...Mueller?...Mueller?..." has echoed in my head and gone unsaid! Thank you for confirming I may not have totally lost it.
Iirc, that was uttered by then actor and former Nixon speechwriter Ben Stein.
Yes. He also had a comedy trivia show called “Win Ben Stein’s Money” that was co-hosted by then funny Jimmy Kimmel.
A former coworker appeared on that show. He didn’t win but Mr. Stein remarked how smart he was (triple 9 club level). He later won a national poker tournament so I don’t feel bad for not winning on the tv show.
I see Ben Stein almost every summer. He has a home in Sandpoint.
https://www.cbsnews.com/live/#x A lot of good advice from Ben.
Groundhog impeachment
Mueller's Crossing.
Remember when Trump made noises about having Clinton prosecuted and jailed was considered a huge breach of political etiquette to criminalize a defeated opponent, despite Trump doing very little to realize that goal after being installed as president?
It is almost as if, that was not the actually an etiquette they believe in.
The J&J shot doesn't seem to provide much protection against the now-surging omicron variant, in any case
Pfizer pays bigger kickbacks.
The J&J shot doesn't seem to provide much protection against the now-surging omicron variant, in any case.
Looks like Johnson & Johnson hasn't got enough investors/former officers on the boards of public health.
Liberals should be howling about the unjust persecution of Assange...
IT WAS HILLARY'S TURN
What does Hillary have to do with Liberals?
With eye of Newt and wing of bat she turned them into progs.
Persecution, not prosecution.
Anyway, I wonder which of them was responsible for more classified material getting into Russian and Chinese hands.
What difference, at this point, does it make?
One is much easier on social media.
The study was conducted in Arizona over the summer
And the CDC didn't think to question a study on schools conducted during the summer? Reminds me of Bellesiles claiming he got a bunch of his data from old San Francisco probate records after forgetting that all the old San Francisco probate records had rather famously been destroyed in a fire in 1906.
Good point.
Have you been to Arizona in the summer? Everyone is dead from the climate change-inflated heat. And alt-right Nazi government.
Also arizona doesn't have its cold season in the summer.
The Republican Party has agreed to pay up to $1.6 million in legal bills for former president Donald Trump to help him fight investigations into his business practices in New York...
Well, I stand corrected.
Isn't $1.6 million pocket change for almost everyone involved?
Not when they are using their own money.
Most of them are bordering on bankruptcy from lawyers' fees for crimes committed. Prosecutors say a Company Named “Fraud Guarantee” Was a Scam by Rudy.
As if the RNC has not be scammed for 6 years by the biggest grifter of all time (GOAT).
Hoes mad!
It is a culmination of a 6 year crime spree breaking every law possible in the Constitution.....High Crimes, Misdemeanors, Treason, Emoluments ($1.7 Billion) foreign and domestic, Hiring illegals, Bribery, Election payoff, Obstructing Justice, Hush money, Abuse of power, Obstruction of Congress, Tax Fraud, Misappropriating government funds, Lying to the American People, Aiding and abetting in the murder of thousands and Rendering himself obnoxious.
Take your meds.
I was thinking about Bone Spurs Dementia medication, but it looks like it is not working.
Try more options.
https://www.bu.edu/articles/2017/soda-bad-for-brain/
So you drink a lot of soda.
No, see my article above.
Someone has been reading pelosis fan fiction
She has led House Democrats for 16 years, Your She has led House Democrats for 16 years, Your Honour I rest my case.
Is your case that you’re a moron?
If you can't win a debate, go immediately to the slanders. Trouble is you don't get any points for consistency. Thanks.
You're consistently an idiot, how does this factor in?
He wins points for consistency. But nothing else.
It is easy to keep score, I have not slandered anyone once.
See Kuckland....Pelosi remark.
Moron....never read a book in their life. Too busy working in the family (Trump business). Claims he is the greatest at everything.
Wut?
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/americas-first-post-text-president/549794/ Donald Trump has told us he doesn't read because he is too busy, so we know he doesn't read, and it shows. Doesn't read PDBs, tears them up and throw them away, knowing they are supposed to be archived. Interns making $60,000 yr spent hours taping the pieces back together. He is easily the dumbest prez of all time doesn't even know how to spell what.
All those things are documented on Hunter's laptop. I'd bet you want to snuggle up on Hunter's laptop.
I wanted to but Beavis and Butthead Trump Jr was more entertaining.
Is this SQRLSY?
If it is it’s a separate account. Got sqrlsy on mute.
Want to see the future of the RNC look at the investors in the Trump Casinos. That giant sucking sound you hear is the RNC money going to Trump.
Actually, that was either your party's chances at midterms, or it was pudding pop time for Sloppy Joe. Maybe both.
Many universities are requiring students to get booster shots.
I'm beginning to suspect universities are by and large helmed by groupthinkers and virtue signalers, oblivious to the bubble they're ballooning to the limit.
The system's feature, not a bug.
You forgot Marxists and really, really empathetic people who really, really care about victims of society.
And dissenters, like babies, are not people, so it's all fine.
But we should still all mask and get booster shots. Science!
Booster masks?
A Taylor Swift album party in Sydney, Australia, appears to have been a superspreader event, with authorities issuing an urgent warning after the party was connected to nearly 100 Covid cases.
"Connected to". One of the giveaway phrases of fake news.
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/taylor-swift-music-event-covid-19-super-spreader-close-100-test-positive I guess you were right...Fox news...the super spreader of fake news.
A Florida man was banned from a United flight after attempting to wear a red thong as his mask.
The Science will brook no mockery of the signaling.
Thank Jeebers for Florida Man.
So many questions. Whose thong, to begin with?
Indira Gandhi's
Well then, no more questions.
Just stop asking questions at "Florida man."
Are masks made from bras still ok? Asking for a friend.
It would have been OK but he didn't remove it from his girlfriend.
Anthony Fauci prefers the word "requirements" to "mandates."
Public health policy is 10% gas and 90% lighting.
100% at the top of my list of lying assholes I'd live to run into, in a dark alley, late at night, with a crowbar. Fuck that disingenuous garden gnome.
Mayorkas admits to working with silicon valley to censor speech.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp3r04dfpZA
This is fresh off Twitter banning people for saying the scientifically true fact the vaccinated can spread covid.
I had very robust discussions with individuals [in Silicon Valley and the tech sector]. You know, the “How to accomplish it?” is something that is not easily navigated. We recognize that the First Amendment concerns are extraordinarily important.
"Muh private government department!"
It's been shown time and time again that Facebook, Twitter et al. are illegally censoring speech on the orders of elected officials and government bureaucrats, but Reason and the usual suspects here are still pretending it's not a first amendment issue.
Oh, but they weren't made to. Just asked. Also, the businesses all get favorable regs and contracts. Nope, nothing to worry about here.
You forgot threats made or strongly suggested by the feds.
Yea, a powerful fed recognizing 1st amendment concerns at a private company. Definitely nothing to see here. I'm glad he's protecting the 1st amendment, not helping suppress protected speech.
The illegal part is the government asking them to do it, not their doing it, no?
I'm usually opposed to the death penalty, but it should be applied to politicians and government agents who violate the constitution. Why didn't the constitution include an enforcement mechanism?
So in your mind hiring a contract killer is wrong but pulling the trigger on request is just fine.
Not analogous.
Looks like Twitter will have to ban Scientific American for spreading misinformation then:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-risk-of-vaccinated-covid-transmission-is-not-low/
Once infected, vaccinated people seem to transmit COVID similarly to unvaccinated people; there’s no reason to suspect the same isn’t true for children, the youngest of whom are still not eligible for COVID shots. And yet many vaccinated people are walking around this holiday season thinking their immunizations are force fields that not only protect them, but also shield vulnerable loved ones. They are not.
And ban CNN (and the CDC):
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/05/health/us-coronavirus-thursday/index.html
Fully vaccinated people who get a Covid-19 breakthrough infection can transmit the virus, US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said Thursday.
"Our vaccines are working exceptionally well," Walensky told CNN's Wolf Blitzer. "They continue to work well for Delta, with regard to severe illness and death -- they prevent it. But what they can't do anymore is prevent transmission."
“anymore”? So it was preventing transmission, then just stopped?
I suppose it's not impossible that it did do that before delta was big. But I don't think there is evidence to support that.
More of the skeptics may get the shots if they were the least bit honest about them. A 0-3 month possible shield against severe illness is an easier selling point to someone than telling them there's no way they'll ever get it, then letting us know there may be a "breakthrough infection", them we witness plenty of "vaccinated" people dying, the start mixing "vaccines"/Boosters. For something developed so carefully in a certain regimen, it seems quite out of place to start telling everyone to get whatever and how ever many shots they want.
"This wonder cream will clear up your acne in days! Side effects include depression, suicidal thoughts, sudden hair loss and a new invisible friend."
An honest risk assessment of vaccine vs. virus ain't gonna happen.
That's why nobody should be criticized in the slightest for not taking advice from any of the "expert" cocksuckers.
"The effort to punish Assange is a blow to freedom of the press and the First Amendment, and one that all civil libertarians ought to oppose."
Unlike mean tweets, right?
Can you explain further how you see an equivalence?
To you? He'd have better luck explaining something to a tree stump.
Lol. So true.
So, the answer is no.
I'm going to call you Sealioning Man from now on, because that's like your superpower here.
You’re to good to stick with plain old squawking?
Don't misgender him/her and throw him/her a fish now and then.
Sealioning is a harassment tactic by which a participant in a debate or online discussion pesters the other participant with disingenuous questions under the guise of sincerity, hoping to erode the patience or goodwill of the target to the point where they appear unreasonable. Often, sealioning involved asking for evidence for even basic claims.[6]
Hahaha, nailed it. I wonder on the origin of the term...
This cartoon.
http://wondermark.com/1k62/
Anthony Fauci prefers the word "requirements" to "mandates."
And those who resist he prefers be called "traitors" rather than "dissenters".
Buttigeig prefers the requirements for mandates.
I guessed you would get "behind" that one.
"A Florida man was banned from a United flight after attempting to wear a red thong as his mask."
Time for another Borat movie already?
Don't do your own risk analysis. Submit. Vaccinaye everyone. This is a mandate. They are safe with no side effects! Look at the trial! Whoops, don't use the J&J one unless you have to.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/cdc-fda-investigating-possible-j-j-vaccine-link-rare-neurological-n1273748
And they restate the warning just this month.
https://yournews.com/2021/12/15/2267418/fda-strengthens-warning-over-severe-condition-linked-to-johnson/
The Study That Convinced the CDC To Support Mask Mandates in Schools Is Junk Science
Just like every mask study the last 2 years. We have 18 months of data. There is zero correlation between mask policy and infection rates.
The one positive study done on mask usage was a non real world example where theybhad 2 isolated cages with a straw between them. The mask was sealed to the straw. That is not how masks are worn.
Millions of Republicans are dying every day because they don't believe masks work in all surgeries. Not true, but actually more factual than post above.
Lol. You are that dumb huh. Please show a single correction study of policy vs infection rates. Difficulty, dont choose studies that ignore seasonality like comparing NY to GA in September.
The largest outbreaks right now are on highly vaccinated areas that have had strict mask policy.
Are you denying reality?
https://mises.org/wire/why-there-no-correlation-between-masks-lockdowns-and-covid-suppression
Here is a little math for you. Masks are NOT 100% effective. Social distancing is NOT 100% effective. Vaccines are NOT 100% effective. Avoiding crowds and indoor places that have poor airflow (ventilation) is NOT 100% effective.
Washing your hands often with soap and water for at least 20 seconds is NOT 100% effective. If you’re not able to wash your hands, use an alcohol-based hand sanitizer that contains at least 60% alcohol is NOT 100% effective.
Cover your mouth and nose with your elbow or a tissue when you cough or sneeze. Throw away the used tissue. Wash your hands right away is NOT 100% effective.
Avoid touching your eyes, nose and mouth is NOT 100% effective.
Clean and disinfect often-touched surfaces daily is NOT 100% effective. Were you able to add that up or NOT?
Erm, no. The mask studies have been a masterful display of what goes wrong when sociopolitical hiveminds, confirmation and selection biases, and in-group biases take root in the sciences. The run of the mill cotton face coverings people cling to are not effective at stopping the passage of the small vapor and dust particles that NCoV tends to 'ride' on. Your anti gee oh pee bias makes you look stupid, since you offered no support for your assertion.
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210727/cdc-expected-to-call-for-masks-again-even-if-vaccinated
"the passage of the small vapor and dust particles that NCoV tends to 'ride' on"
What is this nonsense? No, no-one claims they do. They stop the droplets of your saliva and nasal mucus which you spray when you talk, breathe, etc.
Frankly, we'd rather people like you would wear masks even when there isn't a pandemic on, because of your poor personal hygiene.
#truth-millionseveryday
Dear dbruce,
You are boring, and an asshole. Please die in a grease fire.
Kisses,
UCS
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210131/cdc-recommends-mask-fitters-for-better-covid-protection
Masks work at preventing bacterial transmission, not viral transmission, and this is the sole reason why they are worn in surgery. Bacteria are several orders of magnitude larger than viruses.
And much more likely to cause nasty internal infections.
This. It's pretty evident that whomever is running the dbruce sock doesn't understand the difference between bacteria and virions.
virion – the infectious particle that is designed for transmission of the nucleic acid genome among hosts or host cells. A virion is not the same as a virus. The virus is a distinct biological entity with five different characteristics. Others believe that the virus is actually the infected host cell.
Also icky people juice to the face.
https://thepointsguy.com/news/cdc-issues-new-mask-mandate/
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover-guidance.html
POLITIFACT!!1!
LOL!!!!! Only it’s funnier when he does that….
TRUMP PANTS ON FIRE https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/sep/28/donald-trump/trump-falsely-describes-arizona-audit-findings/
“In 2020 we won (Wisconsin). " https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/05/donald-trump/trump-misses-mark-claim-wisconsin-republicans-refu/ It goes on and on and on and on. Oldest one.... stated on February 10, 2011, in a speech at the CPAC conference:
"The people that went to school with (Barack Obama), they never saw him, they don't know who he is."
Although I hate to admit it, it turns out that, as some of the progressive trolls around here have pointed out, lately, Biden's Build Back Better budget reconciliation bill is actually wildly popular in West Virginia. This means that, yes, Joe Manchin is going against the will of the people of West Virginia in opposition to the bill.
I started asking myself why so many people on the right got so confused about this--thinking that the people of West Virginia were against Biden's Build Back Better bill. How could I have been so wrong? Well, after poking around on the internet, I think I've found the reason. It's because we've all been lied to by the right wing media! Here's an excellent example:
"A pair of polls of constituents of important swing vote senators Kirsten Sinema of Arizona and Joe Manchin of West Virginia suggest Democrats are failing to win over voters in their states.
A majority of those polled (52%) in West Virginia supported scrapping the Build Back Better bill, citing concerns of inflation and potential future tax increases. Only 32% is (sic) respondents supported passing the bill now. Results in Arizona were only slightly more favorable, with a strong plurality of voters (47%) still opposed to the bill.
This poll may be a warning to Democrats as they enter final negotiations on the reconciliation bill.
First, the strategy taken by progressives of accusing senators Manchin and Sinema of corruption and attacking them in local newspapers is likely counterproductive. By framing the issue as an issue of a progressive agenda against their constituents wishes, they are actually forcing Manchin and Sinema to take a harder position than they may have wanted to.
Second, and more importantly, this is a warning that passing Biden's agenda alone is likely not going to be enough to bolster Democrats in the 2022 midterm elections.
----Daily Kos, October 26, 2021
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/10/26/2060416/-A-sobering-poll-most-Arizonan-WV-voters-oppose-Build-Back-Better-bill
If it wasn't for the right wing media spreading this insane misinformation, none of us would have made such fools of ourselves believing such crap. Of course the Green New Deal is popular in West Virginia. Why wouldn't it be? No, they're not worried about inflation. Why would they be worried about that?
Because they love spittin' tobaccy?
The Daily Kos and Jacobin are right-wing rags, always regurgatating Trumpista talking-points.
I guess Shrike and White Mike were right after all.
+1
Oh, and that was at the end of October. Because inflation hasn't picked up sense then (anywhere but in the false narrative of the right wing media), I'm sure the people of West Virginia are even more in favor of Build Back Better than they were in October.
Because they know inflation is a tax on the rich who all squirrel their money away in mattresses and they will all get pay raises to offset any minor transitory inflation which was really caused by Trump.
Not quite OBL, Ken, but real close...
Sen. Joe Manchin is heavily invested in the energy industry, raking in $500,000 in 2020 from an energy firm he founded in 1988. An analogy would be the guy who has everything invested in buggy whip companies, he would never vote for a car company subsidy.
When the media say "voters like the BBB plan", what they mean is "people want more free guaranteed benefits, as long as they don't have to pay for them with higher FICA withholding rates".
What they mean is, individual elements of the BBB had high approval in polls that lacked context about what the rest of the bill contained, how big a chunk it was going to take out of your wallet, and how much its going to lower your standard of living.
What they mean is, individual elements of the BBB had high approval in polls that lacked context about what the rest of the bill contained, how big a chunk it was going to take out of your wallet, and how much its going to lower your standard of living
and how those high-polling individual elements have now been quietly removed.
So none of these polls ask: “Would you support a bill that would require all new cars have a breathalyzer built in that would require you to blow into before you could drive?”
In that poll I would say I agree with that, guaranteed to save lives, not only there's but others.
Is there any authoritarian bullshit you won't support?
Probably if the breathalyzer analyzed for cock breath.
The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety estimates once this technology is in all new cars, it will save an estimated 9,400 lives every year, essentially eliminating drunk driving.
I am against the Bone Spurs authoritarian coup to overthrow democracy.
If the rich are taxed for it, the middle-class taxes are cut, it pays for replacing lead pipes, etc. and creates jobs and something the rich have trouble realizing, it makes them richer than if they had got a tax cut, see Bill Clinton surplus.
And if someone is .01 over the legal limit and there’s an emergency that requires them to drive I guess they’re just fucked?
More than likely, they are the one who caused the emergency.
Cite?
Drunk History
TV Series
2013–2019
From the lead editorial in today's WSJ
"The Senator has ample support for his positions in West Virginia, where a recent poll showed three-quarters of residents oppose the Biden plan."
https://www.wsj.com/articles/mau-mauing-joe-manchin-joe-biden-build-back-better-congress-democrats-11639694989
The most recent published poll of WV voters (finding 74% oppose Biden's Bullshit Bill) was conducted a month ago.
https://wvmetronews.com/2021/11/15/wv-voters-slam-biden-approve-of-justice-manchin-in-latest-mbe-research-poll/
"Nearly 74 percent of voters also said Manchin should oppose the president’s Build Back Better plan."
Regulators cherry picking questionable data to justify policy goals and procedures? I'm a shocked!
Your winnings, Madam Director.
(Hands Wolensky a tenured faculty position at Harvard and half a dozen major health care board seats)
The Republican Party is paying Trump's legal expenses
The Con Man's family business has never been audited. But since it is private with no Board no one cares. They'll never reconstruct the finances so he will skate.
(Trump claims he has been audited by a small green eyeshade bookkeeper)
"The Con Man's family business has never been audited"
Except for three and a half years by the IRS that went into his presidential term, and on several other occasions. But otherwise no.
turd lies.
Saved by the OLC Memo but he is not covered by it anymore.
New 59 cent troll?
Muted, so all I know is it's some steaming pile of lefty shit spouting the same discredited lies.
I’ll give you a hint: POLITFACT!!!!!!!! (You were there for that)
Or poor example of parody. Was muted after shotgunning yesterday’s comments.
Or some assholish combination of the two like sarc.
The world's biggest grifter will accept your donation, he has a lot of criminal lawyers he needs in a hurry.
Ooh. .75?
I accept with honor.
Congrats on the raise?
thanks for agreeing with my post, all though it is getting more common.
Whooosh.
Wow. He really is that dumb.
Hahaha! You’re the funniest joke on these boards!
The IRS can't audit the Trump business, you idiot. Like a Deloitte audit.
They can audit his tax returns.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
If anything turd posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental and/or irrelevant
turd lies; he does nothing else.
Attorney Generals can if there have been crimes committed, which the Unindicted Co-Conspirator has committed (dozens) with his "enforcer", who has already served his time. Keeping two sets of books makes conviction easy, Mob bosses protect their "books" with their life because it is automatic jail terms if they get in the wrong hands.
Yes, I’m sure he personally keeps the books for an international multi billion dollar company.
The law applies to all.
Except the Clintons.
Except six years of lock her up, lead by Bone Spurs who donated $100,000 to the foundation in 2009 and reserved a table at the Clinton Foundation gala for $10,000 in 2010.
or the Biden family business.
fake news
Well then it’s settled!
Trump has faced a decade-long tax audit. The IRS doesn't like it when a company is using two different books, like the Mob. Only about one in 100 businesses is audited each year by the IRS.
Why would there be a Deloitte audit of a privately held business? What would they be looking for and for what purpose?
It’s like recommending a pediatrician a childless couple.
Tax zapper software – also referred to as “sales suppression software” – is a technology which can enable businesses to deliberately underreport their sales in order to underpay their true sales tax burden. They still charge the customer sales tax but don't give to govt.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
To Catch a Predator should audit your web history.
To help clarify here, SBP2 is referencing a financial statement audit, where an independent accounting firm opines on whether an entity's financial statements, as presented to the accountants by the management team of the entity, is free of material misstatement.
Not to be confused with a tax audit where a government agency ask a taxpayer to verify the information and positions self-reported on said taxpayer's tax return.
Pretty sure banks loaning him money have had a look.
To further clarify, turd is a TDS-addled piece of shit who will exaggerate any possible hint of wrong-doing regarding Trump in the hopes someone else will buy his bullshit.
Just trying to clear up some upthread confusion between the two distinctly different activities that share the same name: audit.
Banks will look at whatever FS you give them, whether audited, reviewed or compiled, and make their own assessments, using whatever metrics, risk assessments, values, etc. tailored to their own needs as lenders.
Yes, I'm sure most everyone here understands that, but when publicly traded banks make loans in the millions, the books are likely to get very close scrutiny.
Since privately held companies don’t disclose those kinds of statements, what is there to audit?
Allen Weisselberg: Earlier this month, the longtime chief financial officer for the Trump Organization was charged with tax crimes tied to perks he was given in lieu of salary. "All told, the indictment alleged, he evaded taxes on $1.76 million in income over a period beginning in 2005 and concealed for years that he was a resident of NY City, thereby avoiding paying city income taxes." Weisselberg pleaded not guilty. The Trump Organization, which was also indicted.
Soave still thinks this has anything to do with science? Does he even read the comments at Reason?
But, the News is on twitter.....
Seconded.
Christian Walker on Twitter: Any liberal who attacks me today is racist and homophobic. They made the rules, not me.
As a gay Black man Christian I can only imagine your sufferings as the son of Herschel Walker. How you can merely get out of bed in the morning is beyond me.
A follow up: Does he have an onlyfans account? <I My friend Glem Greenwald want to see exclusive content beyond the video where he complains about gas prices in his Givenchy hoodie. Anybody know?
https://twitter.com/keithedwards/status/1470081071723208711?s=21
Tom Elliott
@tomselliott
.@NYCMayor De Blasio defends vax mandates: “Human beings are pretty predictable. If you say, ‘Your paycheck depends on it, or your ability to enjoy life, and go do the things you want to do,’ people will make the practical decision … but we’re not pushing hard enough"
Yeah, he needs those .38 service revolvers to 'pus hard enough'.
Biden bounce: The stock market is up 40% since the 2020 election
I don’t know how the press gets away with these obvious lies. I and the entire working class population can barely get out of bed in the morning in Joe Biden’s communist Amerikkka.
Now that the DNC strives only to please investment bankers and childless suburban women, what other propaganda do you expect?
Totally. At least with Trump he told us gay, Black Americans everything he was doing to help us out so that now we’re literally running every Fortune 500 company in America. He was much better.
You forgot about the pedophiles. They seem to be a good chunk of the constituency these days.
Not if we arm more young boys.
How's that working in Chicago?
https://fortune.com/2021/11/16/biden-stock-market-performance-2020-election/
Season 2 of the The Witcher is up on Netflix. If we had a discussion about whether The Witcher is ripping off Michael Moorcock, I'd side with those that say it does. I'd hope there was a second discussion about whether Moorcock was a communist, in which case I'd say that stealing intellectual property from a communist is fucking hilarious--even if it's still wrong.
P.S. The difference between left-anarchists and communists can be subtle.
The Witcher was first conceived in 1980s socialist Poland. I think the novels were written after the Iron Curtain fell.
And Elric has been around since 1961.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elric_of_Melnibon%C3%A9
Moorcock borrowed from Morse mythology.
Witcher author says Elric inspired his work. Moorcock claims plagiarism. Looks like it gets some back and forth in online forums. Probably like Elminster is Gandalf. Etc.
The Poles like The Witcher. My guess is that Tony prefers Moorcock.
Morse mythology?
So Thor is now the god of the telegraph?
Yup. Hopefully, nobody will Freya wire.
*Norse
Finnish mythology and the Norse are different.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalevala
Finnish is interesting. I understand Finnish and Hungarian to be mutually intelligible. They both came from the same place in the Urals.
The Norse came from the same place as the Indo-Iranians. That's the politically correct term for them these days. People get excited when you use the old name for them.
You know who else was really interested in the Indo-Iranians?!
The Glazers? They did hire Arians to be the Bucs head coach.
That's a different kind of Aryan.
Fans of the coach may call themselves Bruce Nation as opposed to…
Estonian is also related to Finnish and Magyar.
Moorcock borrowed from Finnish mythology.
Witcher steals Elric wholesale.
Stormbringer is a Tyrfing Xerox. Tyrfing is Norse.
"Kullervo then asks of Ukko's sword if it will have his life. The sword eagerly accepts, noting that as a weapon it doesn't care whose blood it drinks—it's drunk both innocent and guilty blood before.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kullervo
Stormbringer is from Kullervo--the Finnish myth.
Wiki says no.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stormbringer
"The theme of a cursed sword which causes evil deeds when drawn goes back to the sword Tyrfing in Norse Mythology, with which Moorcock was likely familiar."
----Your wiki
Moorcock didn't get it from Norse Mythology. Kalevala is Finnish. He took Stormbringer from Kullervo.
Here's Moorcock himself:
"Anderson's a definite influence, as stated. But oddly, the Kalevala was read to us at my boarding school when I was about seven. And, of course, Longfellow pinched the metre from the Finnish, as he stated . . . . However, from a very early age I was reading Norse legends and any books I could find about Norse stories, as well as hearing The King of Ireland's Son at the same school.
----Michael Moorcock
https://web.archive.org/web/20131221023636/http://www.multiverse.org/fora/showpost.php?s=cd0e5b39fac54cb1ac8a400c60a700fd&p=15991&postcount=17
The thing is that the story of Stormbringer is so close to Kullervo, that if Moorcock had said it was all from Norse mythology, I'd accuse him of lying. It's from the Finnish!
Incidentally, the story from Disney's The Lion King was stolen from Kimba the White Lion They just changed the name of the lion from Kimba to Simba. I don't believe Disney has ever admitted to buying out the rights to Kimba, but I remember seeing a TV show where a reporter kept trying to ask the creators of Kimba if they'd be paid off to keep quiet about it, and they would only respond with "no comment". The similarities of the stories are too close for The Lion King not be taken from Kimba. If Disney denies it, Disney is lying. If the creators of Kimba deny selling out, they're lying--based on the similarities.
That's what we're looking at here with Stormbringer.
Apocalypse Now was based on Heart of Darkness.
Don't believe everything you read on Wiki. They got this one wrong. It may be that they don't recognize or understand the difference between Norse mythology and Finnish mythology. It's something a lot of people don't understand. There's no reason to know much about it unless you're into comparative mythology--or maybe Finnish black metal and Finnish doom metal. Why else would anybody know about that stuff? No one's an expert on everything.
I was mocking your Wiki post. :p
Given borrowing/assimilation of mythology and the proximity of the two cultures, they could be the same sword (I’m not that interested to research dates and etymology).
Several days of the week have Norse origins.
Moorcock's Hawkmoon books, at least the first 4, are great. A power-driven society that forces everyone to wear masks against a group that is willing to fight to be left alone.
This is the series that needs to be developed right now.
+1
Elminster > Gandalf
Forgotten realms forever!!!
Tony likes poles too.
I don't care either way, as long as the Witcher 4 comes out and is of comparable quality of the Witcher 3. Witcher 1 and 2 are both good, but 3 is one of the best games ever made.
The show was unwatchable for me, but YMMV.
Ken that's funny you made that post - just yesterday I asked my buddy whether the witcher was something derived from Elric etc stories.
*GASP*
YOU DON'T SAY!
I for one am enjoying this age where words mean nothing and science is politics.
True story. A decade ago when working at a state CDC, some decisions were made as such: “We agreed with you last time on policy over your coworker. So we are going to side with her direction this time.” Merit of argument was not a factor.
tits for tat.
Feste: “But, indeed, words are very rascals, since bonds disgraced them."
Viola: "Thy reason, man?"
Feste: "Troth, sir, I can yield you none without words, and words are grown so false, I am loathe to prove reason with them.
"For years, the founder of WikiLeaks hid in the U.K.'s Ecuadorian embassy to evade government authorities who want to prosecute him for publishing the Chelsea Manning leaks, "
1) the UK government didn't want to prosecute him for the leaks; they weren't illegal under UK law in the first place.
2) the UK government wanted to prosecute Assange for jumping bail
3) It was Bradley Manning who stole the classified documents and turned them over to WikiLeaks, not Chelsea. (Bradley was not yet Chelsea at the time and is still a biological male even if he had his peepee whacked)
Was his hero John Wayne bobbit?
So, you are advising Assange to have a sex change opersation?
Poor Dee.
"2) the UK government wanted to prosecute Assange for jumping bail"
And perverting the course of justice.
And of course to hand him back to Sweden so he can be jailed for what little remains of his life after he's served those terms, because, violent serial rapist.
In other COVID-19 news, the CDC is now recommending the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines over Johnson & Johnson due to the rare blood-clotting issues relating to the later.
Which we knew 9 months ago or so.
Here is a detailed article on what we knew 9 months ago, for those who are interested in deeper understanding:
https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/coronavirus-vaccine-blood-clots
You mean it’s not settled?
To think Mike is on the forefront of claims here that vaccines have no risk and science is settled.
The CDC said the problem is rare, but it has been seen at a rate of about one case in every 100,000 doses given to women 30 to 49 years old — the group at highest risk. About 15% of cases of TTS have been fatal, according to CDC data.
"Any public official—including and especially Walensky—who purports to follow the science should toss this one in the trash."
You assume they were actually looking for data or real answers to the question of whether masking in schools is beneficial (it's not), instead of looking for any study that supported their already-selected conclusion.
Trump's efforts to force the Senate to ditch Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R–Ky.) aren't going very well.
Do not cross The Dotard!
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
The Republican Party has agreed to pay up to $1.6 million in legal bills for former president Donald Trump to help him fight investigations into his business practices in New York
I am assuming the FBI is investigating this and charges will be forthcoming? I mean, if they have notes and records of the meetings and discussions, it's pretty difficult for the parties involved to deny they committed the crime. Whatever crime it is that they committed by agreeing to help pay Trump's legal fees. I'm assuming they committed a crime?
Funding an insurrection. Or funding The Insurrection.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-inundated-over-dozen-lawsuits-1660406
Anthony Fauci prefers the word "requirements" to "mandates."
Whatever he says, Fauci resides at the intersection of Lysenko, Mengele, and Clark (of Tuskeegee Experiment fame).
The agencies Fauci has worked for his entire career are the very agencies that conducted the Tuskegee Syphilis Study. Why would he act any differently?
the extended U.S. Public Health Service Syphilis Study at Tuskegee. The CDC, which by then controlled the study, reaffirmed the need to continue the study until completion; i.e. until all subjects had died and been autopsied. To bolster its position, the CDC received unequivocal support for the continuation of the study, both from local chapters of the National Medical Association (representing African-American physicians) and the American Medical Association (AMA).
Anthony Fauci prefers the word "requirements" to "
mandatesmadness."Fixed it for him.
Unicorn Abattoir prefers the word "asshole" to "Anthony Fauci".
You know who else imposed onerous rules based on junk science?
The Roman Catholic Church?
I can't believe the mental hoops some people are jumping though to justify not wearing masks. I might not wear one when I walk my dog in the park, but put me in a cigar tube in the sky with 300 other people who may or may not have been vaccinated, damn sure I going to be wearing a mask ; the BEST mask I can lay my hands on.
If I ran the airline I would not serve food or give anybody and excuse to remove their mask.
We are in a critical existencial stage for the economy and the nation as a whole. We can't AFFORD to have too many people sick for too long. They are non-productive and thus producing no wealth for anybody. Sickness is a drain on the GDP. The sick can't spend money they haven't earned. If they can't earn, they can't buy anything except on credit. If they get government money, that is on credit too. They can't be taxed on money they didn't have. If we don't stop covid, this perpetual motion machine is going to stop.
COVID is not suppressing the economy. Irrational reactions to COVID are.
Wrong idiot. It's scared little morons as yourself THAT KEEP THE WHOLE THING GOING!!
The Phucko Knows
The Study That Convinced the CDC To Support Mask Mandates in Schools Is left-wing fearmongering propaganda. The outcome of the study was of course per-ordained.
The whole covid scam is based in junk science. Covid-19 has never been isolated in a lab. The PCR test can NOT test for a virus. Never in the history of man has a study that past a per-review shown that mask prevent the spread of anything. The changing of what being asymptomatic MEANS without a shread of scientific evidence. U covid idiots also can't seem to fathom WHAT "happened" to the flu. U actually think covid cured it. The 6' social distancing in America.., while other parts of the world have from 3' down to 1 1/2'. Why? Because AGAIN.., it's not based in science. U also got shots full of drugs that don't stop the test subjects from "catching" it.., getting sick from it.., spreading it or dying from it. Humanity is full of scared and usless creatures who bathe in fear porn. The CDC says u have 99.97% chance of survival. It also says only 6% have actually died from a virus. BOTH r within the same data points as the annual flu. Hummmmmm...
As I said... THE WHOLE THING IS BUT JUNK SCIENCE!! Humans r truly nothing more then the pawns they were meant to be.
The Phucko Knows
SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, was isolated in the laboratory and is available for research by the scientific and medical community. Everyone 6 months and older should get a flu vaccine every season with rare exceptions. Vaccination is particularly important for people who are at higher risk of serious complications from influenza.
The Assange extradition is very odd. Why bother? Once the extradition is approved (or rejected, as may turn out to be the case), the European and UK trials for rape and perverting the course of justice take place first. As do the jail terms.
The US is never getting its hands on Assange simply because he's spending the rest of his life in UK and Swedish jails. For particularly disgusting crimes, too.
So really, why bother?
"Liberals should be howling about the unjust persecution of Assange"
ROFL. He's a self-confessed serial violent rapist. There is no unjust persecution. Just a rapist who fled justice and got caught.
Assange's defence was not that he didn't do it - his sworn testimony, on oath, in court, was that the facts as alleged are true. His _sole_ defence was a point of law: he claimed to have found a loophole that meant his rapes weren't criminal. When multiple courts laughed at that defence, he fled to the embassy.
Assange has denied any criminal wrongdoing.
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https://peg.bocsci.com/catcs/764/ga-peg-ga/
GA-PEG-GA is a linear polymer containing epoxy groups at both ends of the molecular chain, which is a type of PEG reagent.
It's just a ruse to shut down swim meets and let the current controversy of the day whither.
"3. If people are not falling deathly ill, a spike in "cases" is a rather meaningless metric."
Has even less meaning when the actual numbers are seen; CA now has an infection rate of 5 one-thousandths of 1%. This is a "spike", causing the tearing of hair and rending of garments among the chicken-little classes (Newsom, et al)
1) viruses are spread more when there is NO shutdowns. 2) All vaccines work at less than 100%. Boosters increase that number. 3) Virus's goal is to spread and then mutate. The more they can spread increase's ability to mutate.
Scientists in the U.S. Army are developing a Covid-19 vaccine designed to protect against current and future variants—and even other coronaviruses— and are expected to announce positive early results within weeks, a head researcher told the military news outlet Defense One on Tuesday 21, 2021.
I mostly blame Johnson.
Sorry, whose Johnson wasn't sufficiently well greased?
Don’t blame me, I voted for Johnson.
He used up all the grease?
Johnson killed Kennedy.