NYC Declares War on Gas Stoves
The city is banning gas appliances in new housing.

New York City Council voted to ban the installation of furnaces, boilers, hot water heaters, and cooking stoves that burn fossil fuels in new buildings lower than seven stories constructed after 2024, and in buildings over seven stories beginning in 2027. The ban is a way to reduce the city's emissions of greenhouse gases that are associated with rising global temperatures. Buildings are responsible for 70 percent of the city's greenhouse gas emissions, chiefly carbon dioxide. New York City is following in the footsteps of other cities run by progressives like San Francisco, Oakland, Berkeley, in California, and Ithaca in upstate New York. In contrast, as of July, 19 states run by Republican legislatures have passed bans against municipal electrification mandates.
Home Innovation Research Labs researchers associated with homebuilder lobbying associations and other construction groups have calculated that the additional construction costs of full electrification of a new house versus a comparable new house using natural gas would range from between $3,988 and $11,196 in a warm climate (Houston), $3,832 and $14,495 in a mixed climate (Baltimore), and $10,866 and $15,100 in a cold climate (Denver and Minneapolis). The researchers estimate that the costs for retrofitting a house that currently uses natural gas for heating, hot water, and cooking ranges between $24,282 and $28,491. Simply replacing worn out gas-fired appliances would cost between $9,767 and $10,359.
The researchers further reckon that the higher installation costs depending upon which mix of electric appliances were deployed would be paid back in energy savings in warm Houston between 27 and 64 years. Of course most equipment doesn't last that long. The installation costs would never be paid back in energy savings in cold climate cities like Minneapolis. Then again, a July 2021 study in Environmental Research Letters finds that 32 percent of single family houses in the U.S. could or have already reduced their energy bills by installing an electric heat pump.
The Consumer Energy Alliance, another industry-allied group, calculated earlier this year that retrofitting all houses that are currently using natural gas for heating, hot water, and cooking would cost $258 billion.
On the other hand, the Rocky Mountain Institute (RMI), an energy think tank with the stated goal of transforming the global energy system to zero-carbon emissions, finds that electrifying new single family homes is actually cheaper than one that uses a mix of gas and electricity. For New York City, RMI's researchers calculate the upfront costs for installing natural gas in new houses averages $21,600 versus $18,700 for full electrification. In addition, total annual utility costs (gas and electricity) for a new house using gas appliances would be $4,310 compared to $3,880 for an all-electric house. In addition, proponents of the natural gas ban argue that the damages of climate change are not being taken into account when comparing the costs of residential electrification versus natural gas consumption.
In contrast, the American Gas Association (AGA) finds that amortizing the costs of electric appliances plus utility bills would increase the average residential household energy-related costs by between $750 and $910 per year, or about 38 percent to 46 percent. The AGA also cites data showing that burning natural gas to produce electricity (40 percent of U.S. electricity is currently generated that way) is highly inefficient compared to using it directly to fuel residential appliances.
"When used directly for cooking, clothes drying and home and water heating, natural gas has a source-to-site efficiency of 92% — meaning nearly all of the energy contained in the original gas is utilized in appliances. However, when natural gas-fired power plants generate electricity for these same appliances, the efficiency is only 37%," observed Dave Schryver, the CEO of the American Public Gas Association in 2018 op-ed. Proponents of full residential electrification will, of course, counter that this is not relevant in the long run since future electric power generation will increasingly consist of solar, wind, and other zero–carbon emissions sources.
Another big issue is that residential consumption of electricity and natural gas tend to coincide. If natural gas is banned, that means more electricity will be demanded by customers at peak times which in turn means spending more to strengthen the electric power grid. The flip side of that issue is that as more homeowners are switched to electricity, the ones still burning natural gas will have to pay ever higher rates in order to maintain the residual distribution systems.
"With electrification mandates the benefits can be relatively easily quantified using the carbon content of various fuels, but the costs are poorly understood," observes University of California, Berkeley economist Lucas Davis in his January 2021 National Bureau of Economic Research study. In order to try to understand those costs, Davis devises an econometric model that aims to figure out how much more annual income householders would want to compensate them for being mandated to heat their homes using electricity versus natural gas. Once he cranks through his model, Davis finds that people in warmer states would only be about $500 worse off from an electrification mandate. On the other hand, residents of cold states like New York, Massachusetts, and Michigan would $3,000 worse off.
With respect to the goal of reducing greenhouse gas emissions, there would be no need to mandate building electrification if it were already cheaper than the fossil fuel alternatives for heat, hot water, and cooking. In fact, Davis points out that "the percentage of U.S. homes heated with electricity has increased steadily from 1% in 1950, to 8% in 1970, to 26% in 1990, to 39% in 2018." Why? According to Lucas, the biggest factor is falling residential electricity prices since 1950 compared to rising natural gas and heating oil prices. In other words, the adoption of electric home heating has been proceeding expeditiously without mandates.
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I doubt gaslighting within NYC will be curtailed.
What the hell will they tell each other to ' stick their heads into' without gas ovens?
"Stick your head in a electric oven lacks panache'!
"The ban is a way to reduce the city's emissions of greenhouse gases that are associated with rising global temperatures. "
ALL credibility lost @ that moronic statement.
0.25 C degree rise, I dont get excited about.
Effing stupidity, and were supposed to take such people seriously?
These people are despotic morons. A republican president putting YC under martial law would actually increase freedom compared to the current bullshit.
I'm surprised the cities haven't used safety as a supporting reason for a phase-out. Every few months you hear of some apartment blowing up in a natural gas explosion. You could probably justify a ban in built-up areas on those premises.
And electrical substation fires never happen?
Brain farts get a pass too.
Hardest hit: Jumping Jack Flash
Good luck getting restaurants to stop using gas.
They are trying in San Fran.
Even homeowners and renters who like to cook tend to prefer gas to electric. Some of my friends have started switching to induction, but you have to get specialized pots and pans for that as well.
Show me someone who prefers an electric range over gas and I'll show you a shitty cook.
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August.24.2021 at 8:49 pm
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And yeah, if I was cooking broiler when you ordered yours MW, I'd find the fattiest, gristliest piece I could find and burn the shit out of it. Nothing personal, but if you want to ruin meat, you won't ruin good meat on my watch.
Depends on use case and tool quality. Anything cooked in thin carbon steel, so anything in a wok or a bunch of the more delicate French dishes, needs gas but anything cooked in a heavier pan works just fine if not better on an induction range, and anything in which you need to boil water to cook is flat out superior on an induction range. However cheap pans for use on a gas stove are still pretty easily used without too much loss in quality or utility, whereas cheapo disc bottomed induction capable pots and pans are complete crap to use compared to the good stuff.
Iron or steel pots aren't special.
How well will electric replace the 50,000 BTU Chinese restaurant wok burners?
not worth a damn.
Wait till the dumbasses suck up the remaining electric supply with naught left for their EVs.
We can get rid of the democrats and stop this kind of stupidity, or bow to these worthless fools and lose all freedom and quality of life.
The rights of one free American are more valuable than a million democrat’s lives
This.
California has trouble keeping the lights on in good times. When it’s bad, they have blackouts and brownouts almost daily. Relying on just one form of energy to heat homes and cook is very unwise.
That is hyperbole brought on by believing everything one reads.
It's not quite that frequent or crisis. But we are working our way towards those conditions.
Yep. I have 200 amp service at my house in a very, mild climate. But, there is enough demand that, switching all our gas to electric would require a significant up grade in service capacity. Which would also mean a bunch of rewiring a new, distribution panel for code compliance.
We're talking $10,000 or more if we were to convert: gas dryer, gas HVAC heaters, gas water heater, gas fireplace inserts and our gas range to electric. And, that's just the electric upgrade. The new appliances would be quadruple that.
But, as a former head of CARB once stated, "We don't take economics into consideration. That isn't our job."
Electric cooktops suck. Gas is much better to cook on. However, I think induction ranges do a pretty good job. They don't require "specialized" pots and pans, just pans that have a bit of iron, if it is magnetic an induction "burner" will work. I do not understand why induction ranges are so damn expensive though.
The elites love going out. Only plebs will be punished.
Nobody needs cooked food.
Sushi for all!
Who cares about the cost or practical impact (or that almost all of the electricity will be from fossil fuels), think of how much better people will feel knowing that everyone is using electricity.
...which is made by:
1. Rubbing Unicorns together
2. burning natural gas
???
We have an excess supply of morons.
Burn them...
I recycle but do not ask me to give up my Gas Range.
It's all about the "feels". That's how we determine public policy these days.
Veritas is Latin. A dead language. Thus we no longer care about truth. ;-(
Puhleeeze. First off, people are responsible for 100 percent of human greenhouse gas emissions, not "the city's" greenhouse gas emissions. And it may have escaped your attention, but people live in buildings, sleep in buildings, and cook in buildings; blaming this on buildings is as good as blaming civilization and wishing for a return to the days before man learned how to control natural fires.
We are all White Indian now.
Now there’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time. A long time.
still too soon.
Like Princess Warren?
The Wicked Bitch of the Northeast herself.
That’s the ultimate goal: remake civilization.
"wishing for a return to the days before man learned how to control natural fires."
Isn't that what the Sierra Club and its ilk are striving for?
Except for themselves of course.
They are the orangutans in Planet of the Apes. The rest of us are just gorillas or chimpanzees. Where do you fall?
"When used directly for cooking, clothes drying and home and water heating, natural gas has a source-to-site efficiency of 92% — meaning nearly all of the energy contained in the original gas is utilized in appliances. However, when natural gas-fired power plants generate electricity for these same appliances, the efficiency is only 37%," observed Dave Schryver, the CEO of the American Public Gas Association in 2018 op-ed. Proponents of full residential electrification will, of course, counter that this is not relevant in the long run since future electric power generation will increasingly consist of solar, wind, and other zero–carbon emissions sources.
This cannot be understated. You're never going to get anywhere with the environmental scientismists by whinging about "cost". Because the rebuttal you're going to get is "The world is going to end in 12 years, and we're worried about the cost?"
You have to carefully point out to them things like thermodynamics, efficiency and loss, and demand to know exactly where the electricity will be produced, and the attendant costs and emissions from said new generation methods.
Rush Limbaugh was totally correct when he described environmentalists as watermelons. Green on the outside, red on the inside. They won't be satisfied until we're all living on cooperative farms.
That won’t satisfy them either. They want everyone to be pre-stone tools caveman, You’re probably not gonna survive lifestyle. It’s the only way to recapture the glory, the pre-racial and pre social economic primordial majesty of being the “noble savage”, as nature intended.
You know, the glories the of using the bathroom in the woods, nearly naked, poorly fed, completely subjected to the whims of nature, and likely dying before you hit 30 years old.
Yeh, you won't get anywhere with ecofrauds that way either, or any way. They didn't get to their position by rational logic, they won't get out of their position by rational logic. They don't give a rat's ass about logic or liberty, only about control and power.
As the founder Green peace noted, environmentalists are just using it to advance socialism, they don't care about the environment
12 years? I think we only have 8 years left.
The date of the impending apocalypse resets every four years. It was 9 years away last year. It's 12 years away now.
I think we only had 8 left in the 70's. There's no way we're not in negatives by now.
Like the local bar that always had a sign: Free Beer Tomorrow.
Sounds a lot like fusion.
NYC lost 25% of its electrical generation capacity when the Indian Point nuclear plants shut down.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/12/nyregion/indian-point-power-plant-closing.html
Don't move the goal posts lest you drive AOC into a frenzy!
And that 37% starts dropping once you factor in that nobody outside of major manufacturing plants are using power factor correction, and just about everything is an inductive load
False. The utility will hang capacitors on the lines for PF correction in other areas.
.But you try to sound intelligent....
FAIL!
"future electric power generation will increasingly consist of solar"
which is 5% efficient on a good day.
Panels are doing good to be 15%. Lose 5% for converter losses...thats for a small system.
Solar, 95% WASTE HEAT.
GD morons
So in the mean time what will they use for fuel, dried unicorn poop?
Today's panels are 20%, not much better but they are getting better. The writing is on the wall. Rolling blackouts and skyrocketing utility costs are coming. Get solar now or cry later.
....get solar and get power over 2 hours per day at noon.
Ceausescu is smirking from his grave
Nope. Once they get what they want - full solar - they'll start attacking the solar panels for contributing to global warming with that waste heat generation.
Next target? The sun itself. They'll propose that we build shade panels in space to stop all the solar insolation. Or, maybe move the over to shade the earth at all times. 🙂
If math is racist then thermodynamics is Nazi death camp human sacrifice.
People really hate the fact that there isn’t a free lunch.
A free HOT lunch at that!
I have solar panels and propane tanks and I will last a few weeks longer than the rest of humanity when the electric and natural gas grids go down. Plus I am immune to Columbia Gas type screwups. (They're the ones who blew up the Merrimack Valley in 2018.)
You’ll be the first one dead. When the Great Blackout comes, you’ll be the only one with lights on for miles.
You’ll stick out and the hungry, cold people will come to you. Inevitably one will be nuts. One will kill for light and heat.
You’ll be the one with light and heat, 2 weeks into the Great Blackout. You’ll also be the first victim.
Sometimes it’s better to just be less obvious in one’s preparation.
I said virtually the same thing when the public agency I worked for - a bus operator - jumped on the EOC bandwagon that the feds were pushing just a few years back.
They were all gung ho to have our headquarters be an EOC. So, I asked, who's going to man the guns when the citizenry realizes we're open, up and running and they show up to loot?
They thought I was crazy.
I retired two years ago. So I can't ask that question again after the riots of the last two years and the smash and grab robberies that have happened all over the Bay Area. Even within a few miles of the location of that agency.
People laughed when I bought a bankrupt old wood stove manufacturing company, but who's laughing now?
They outlawed the sale of regular wood stoves here in Maine. If someone who wants to heat with wood must spend thousands and thousands of dollars on some fancy EPA complaint machine. So much for being a cheap way to heat your home.
EPA complaint machine
Indeed.
Or drive to wherever Jerry is, load it in their pickup, and haul it home. I guess they could also find someone that lives where Jerry does, let them buy it, and buy it off that person to get shipped to Maine.
Tell me it ain't so!
The thing I love(d) about Mainers was their common sense, along with a generally libertarian outlook. What the heck has happened up there?
Have you seen their governor? Also putting in a gas tax to pay for green subsidies
People who vote that way aren't libertarian.
Yeah, past tense used in my comment.... that was 40 years ago.
A recent trip downeast (Blue Hill peninsula) left me rather depressed; I had the impression I was still in Boston suburban Hell based on the number of yard signs I saw for BLM, in support of the CMP corridor, and a few other so-call progressive causes.
Southern Maine (aka Northern Mass) is full of moonbats. As are some of the coastal towns with transplants from southern New England.
Travel north or west of Disgusta and it is still libertarian country.
I believe it was last year during peak covid panic, someone hanged Governor Mills in effigy. See more than a few window stickers with either “Fuck Biden” or “Fuck Mills.”
Massholes.
(You)
Remember to give the transplants a chance - there may be some who are coming up / back with zero desire of inflicting suburban / progressive ways. Just because I've picked up a nasty accent around these PTIAs and busybodies doesn't mean that I think like them.
California is much further down that path.
In the 1970s & '80s, burning wood for heat became a fashionable way to beat the energy crises. So they started banning the sale of woodstoves that weren't catalytic.
But then, as people switched at great cost, they decided we hadn't gone far enough. And, all woodstoves were out. And pellet stoves or - get this - using your gas heater were the preferred alternatives. Much less polluting they told us.
Then, the authorities decided that even the best of pellet stoves emitted too much PM 2.5. So any burning of solid fuel was banned. Stick to clean burning, natural gas they told us.
Now they're after natural gas. They were before NY in this article. You can't install natural gas service in new construction in many cities.
Do you have any idea how many thousands of dollars I've spent over the years, changing fuel sourced heating so that I would not be banished or fined?
The next step will be to "ration" electrical service to each residence.
All for our own good you know.
My house is heated by wood stove. I'd guess it costs me about $100* annually to heat my house all winter plus 20ish labor hours.
*ATV gas, a couple chainsaw chains, 2 cycle mix, bar oil, etc.
I’m in about $100/yr for 5 cords.
Timberline in Idaho Falls makes a slick chain sharpener. Virtually foolproof. Ten minutes a go. They aren’t free but will pay for themselves over a few seasons.
Burn Liberals instead. Plentiful, cheap. No one wants them. Just dry them thoroughly else the stove will smell like shit.
I pay about $600 annually to heat my house and water by nat gas . Zero-ish* labor hours and no need for chainsaw or ATV.
*walk to thermostat to adjust temperature
My heat works when the grid fails
Bonus - My nearest neighbor is 0.7 miles away.
The seller?
Why would people buy bankrupt stoves?
Rimshot!
These figures come nowhere near any costs I am familiar with.
I live in the California Sierras and use propane and grid electricity. My propane costs for 2021 were $1750; for 2020 $1600; for 2019 $2500; for 2018 $1080; and a 4 year average of $1717. My PG&E bills average $70/month, $840 a year. That's a combined average of $2557, and everything I know says propane is more expensive than natural gas.
70 a month? I'm at 170! Granted im in an all electric apt. Stupid la
A neighbor watches TV all the time (I don't even have one, but I do have three computers running 24x7), and his bill is only $40/month.
I've tried understanding PG&E bills, but they are whacked. My December bill has energy charges of $86, but a $21 credit for ... no idea. Some months they throw on some other credit, unexplained.
I don't blame PG&E. They have to dance to the PUC puppetmaster, and those clowns are termed-out politicians given a retirement sinecure by their legislative colleagues, zero experience with anything but grifting votes.
Have you ever wondered why there is an extension cord from your yard to your neighbor’s?
That's one heck of a long extension cord! Minimum parcel size is 5 acres, mine is 16, his is 8.
Now watt do you say?
Good old electricity hose
PGE are saddled with expenses bc of CAs stupidity in creating wild fires bc they wont allow clearing and burning.
Well, I have two homes in the SF Bay Area and my PG&E bill averages north of $300 these days for gas and electricity. And one of those homes is vacant!
And, virtually all my lighting is LED these days. My gas heaters are 80% AFUE. My A/C is 17 SEER. I've sealed and insulated the best I can. My waterfront climate is very, very mild. Rarely below 50 night or day. And, maybe ten days a year over 90.
My PG&E bill for December will be at or over $600 I bet with us being here 24/7 these days. Electricity is $0.33/kWh and gas is $2.58/therm.
Worst of all, PG&E, as the public whipping boy for a bunch of misguided pols is going to end up bankrupt....again. Only this time, they're be a state takeover.
Should I tell you how much I lost in PG&E stock?
Once again if you vote for progressives you deserve to lose your rights
I have been assured both sides are equal in every way.
It’s like comparing two peoples criminal records. The first being guilty of a string of murders. The second guilty of a DUI. Then saying “totally the same”.
Sometimes, one is just a prisoner.
I didn't vote for them. But others did.
None-the-less, if you ain't homeless, illegal, indigent, a person of color you have few rights.
Gee, I wonder why.
"students to pick up supplies, resources and grab-and-go lunches"
Including condoms?
It it Seattle after all. Id expect nothing less.
And probably abortion pills.
Of course. The politicians enacting the ban already have top-of-the-line gas ranges, natural gas heaters, and gas dryers in their homes, because they work better. No one flipping a house on TV ever takes out a gas range and replaces it with an electric cook top.
Force the newly constructed homes for the plebes to use inferior electric appliances, and then hector them to use less electricity between 4 and 9 PM, like California does, because wind and solar aren't as available then.
I knew someone who positively detested gas stoves. Claimed she could smell them and it was disgusting. Replaced gas stoves with electric when they moved. I never understood it, and never met anyone else like that. But her husband believed her.
Believed her, or just got tired of the whining?
A battle he decided to put on the back burner.
Electric stives. For people too damned stupid to light a pilot light.
My 6 burner Thor range- oven doesnt smell. But I Was smart enough to install it without GAS LEAKS!
I'll take a flat top electric over gas any day.
Well, gas stoves and ovens of the past - before 1975 or so - did have constant on pilots and I could always tell when I walked into a residence that had one from the odor.
My current residence, built in 1989 has a GE Profile gas range and absolutely no odor at all.
But, the gas water heater in the garage is over thirty years old, with a constant on pilot. When the wind blows just right, there is a gas smell in the garage.
Needless to say, I'm in the process of replacing it. It's past it's useful life and, I don't want it just going out one day as they usually do and have to scramble and pay big bucks to just get it replaced that day before the wife files for divorce. 🙂
When I switched from my old electric clothes dryer to a gas one, the average dry time for a load of laundry went from ~1hr 20min to ~20min.
Just get rid of the democrats and this all goes away.
But, you'd be foregoing a great opportunity. If we harnessed the gas those gasbags emit, we could keep the nation heated for years.
Too many impurities in PolGas.
Electricity is not an energy source, gas is. All these yahoos are doing is making the system less stable and more expensive. Unless they are going to mandate the Con-Ed build a bunch of nuclear plants in the area, this makes zero sense.
As plug-in vehicles become more prevalent, there will be less stress on the grid.
As battery banks to handle power fluctuations become more prevalent, there will be less demand for lithium.
Without nuclear power and massive amounts of renewables switching to all electric will triple the co2 produced for heat and hot water. It will also cost the consumer more.
Wait til Orofino quits....
Theyll be up Shits Creek.
"New York City Council voted to ban the installation of furnaces, boilers, hot water heaters, and cooking stoves that burn fossil fuels in new buildings lower than seven stories constructed after 2024, and in buildings over seven stories beginning in 2027."
Virtually all great chefs and good cooks (and most other cooks) strongly prefer natural gas stoves over electric ones (as the heat emitted by gas stoves is far easier and timely to control).
Personally, I'd never buy or live in a house that didn't have natural gas, as too many meals I made on electric stoves were overcooked.
It appears the NYC council wants to ban all new restaurants.
Restaurants serve food.
People eat food and fart.
Farts spread Covid and cause global warming.
Now you know how Liberals think...
Is this while their sniffing other people's asses to see who farted?
Magical thinking morons think clean power comes directly from the wall.
City people......
my grandmother (a fine old fashioned lady) could never quite understand why she was supposed to conserve water since every time she opened the tap, water came out, ergo, there could not be a water shortage. Pointing out the low water levels in the reservoirs just outside NYC made zero impression.
City people just don't get it. Never have, never will.
Next on the legislative agenda: Outlaw fire.
You laugh…
No I don’t
This is virtue signaling., because we all know there won't be any need to construct any new buildings in NYC after another year or two of covid mandates.
"...New York City is following in the footsteps of other cities run by progressives like San Francisco, Oakland, Berkeley, in California, and Ithaca in upstate New York. In contrast, as of July, 19 states run by Republican legislatures have passed bans against municipal electrification mandates..."
Brandyshit, sarc and bevis the asshole hardest hit.
Can't have gas? Ok motherfuckers, I'll install a coal range.
-jcr
( golf clap )
I think the wood stove in my house when I was growing up could burn coal.
Good luck with that. These democrat morons pellet stoves are popular where I live.
Ok, that one got away from me,
Great. And you'll be buying that coal where?
Some of NY's best pizza ovens are coal-fired.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal-fired_pizza
https://www.grubstreet.com/2014/02/best-coal-oven-pizza-places.html
I have a neighbor whose new home was all-electric . . .for the first several months.
Then came an 18-hour period about a year ago without electric power. And, a couple of days later, there came a truck with a 500-gallon propane tank.
Homes that are not all electric also suffer from an electrical outage. Gas furnaces need electricity. Been wiser to spend that money on solar and batteries.
false. wiser to have a small generator to power the gas furnace.
Been there, done that.
Your comment was a False Choice failure.
Your pathetic batteries wont last 18 days
Plus, the "all electric" house is primarily powered by natural gas. I guess it doesn't count as gas if someone else burns it.
I have two gas heaters that are fireplace inserts. Actual heaters mind you. Installed in former wood burning fireplaces. They don't need electric service to operate, although they do have it normally to run their blower fans. The fans are an option because they do heat by radiation and convection without them.
They aren't the most efficient, having an AFEU of about 70. But, I have some semblance of an actual fire in a fireplace to stare at while gaining heat in the house. You know, that thing that mankind has done for tens of thousands of years when he was doing his best thinking. Before television or the internet of course. ;-(
You are a fool not to get solar and electric now before the mandates
you are a moron who just got muted
All these wannabe Tony's are so stupid that everyone mutes them, so nobody ever reads the drivel they spew out. I guess they are like the rest of the AOC squawkers.
Uh, there is a move afoot in CA to redo net metering so that the rates payed by the utilities for the solar power purchased from rooftop EV systems are at wholesale and not retail. The mantra is that EV systems are "rich toys" and that "the rich aren't paying their fair share".
Do those claims sound familiar. It's our new Alice in Wonderland thinking where rich is evil and poor is good.
Passage by the PUC will pretty much screw any personal cost effectiveness of solar at home. It is for this reason that I did NOT spend $25 or $30 grand to get solar last year, even though I was planning too.
Go back and see my story of the history and advancing bans on heat sources in California.
So will they quit trying to put nuclear reactor operators out of business? or is this another starving freeze-in-the-dark movement?
No. It’s an attempt to defund police by killing off the population that needs efficient, abundant hydrocarbon fuels.
"Buildings are responsible for 70 percent of the city's greenhouse gas emissions, chiefly carbon dioxide."
I love these claims of attribution for the target activity of the day. I am too lazy to document examples, but I am sure zealots have also blamed transportation, manufacturing, the internet, and mining crypto for at least 50% of emissions for each activity. No wonder we have problems, when a place like NYC has 300% emissions.
For me at least, this article now comes with an ad for wood stoves in the right column.
guess they'll be banning all restaurants. no chef will ever use an electric stove. not gonna happen. any sane home owner would not buy a house without gas everything and especially a stove. cooking on electric is the absolute worst. as usual liberals are insane and demonstrate their complete lack of an iq.
I saw some restaurant on bizarre foods show using a fire pit. Chic and sad.
No chef would want to cook on an electric stove top. The first thing I did when I bought my current house was to have propane piped in, since I'm not serviced by any natural gas infrastructure. And electric heat is fine if you live south of the Mason-Dixon line. But up here in New England, electricity just can't heat air that's below 0ºF to anywhere near a comfortable temperature.
Electric resistance heating can heat anything IF you use enough electricity - but in Maine, that would be considerably more than the usual house electric entrance can handle. If more than a few percent of the houses go electric, this will also draw more than the power distribution lines for a residential neighborhood can supply. And that's assuming that there's a big fossil-fuel power plant somewhere with excess capacity. Solar sure won't do it because there's no sun at night when the heating needs are highest, and wind is not always there.
The only renewable power that is reliable, or even usually available at high capacity between 3 pm and 9 am is hydroelectric - which (1) is only possible where there is a river and a large drop in elevation - mostly where rivers run through a mountain range, (2) competes for water with other uses such as tap water and irrigation, and (3) requires a dam and artificial lake, which are on-going ecological disasters. The USA built-out most of the good sites for hydro by 1940, and overall capacity has been shrinking ever since with inefficient small sites closing and dams being removed.
Most of the remaining hydroelectric power in the northeast is from a single site, Niagara Falls, and it is using up to 3/4 of the river's flow. How much of this power reaches NYC? Or even gets further than the Buffalo metropolitan area? Peak loads begin in the mid-afternoon when the sun is moving away from the best position for fixed solar panels, and continue on past sunset. So solar power doesn't supply the peak load. Neither does wind power, because it cuts out unpredictably. Power storage costs several times as much as the electricity it stores, and has never been built in a size that can supply the power storage. So the peak loads must be supplied by fossil fuels, possibly also with nuclear power for the base load.
The author is simply wrong about the efficiency of gas-fired electrical generation: "The overall electrical efficiency of a combined-cycle power system is typically in the range of 50–60% — a substantial improvement over the efficiency of a simple, open-cycle application of around 33%." (https://www.ipieca.org/resources/energy-efficiency-solutions/power-and-heat-generation/combined-cycle-gas-turbines/) He is apparently referring to open-cycle, a technology that has not been widely used for thirty years, except for meeting peak loads.
The author is quoting someone else.
The person he's quoting is not talking about the efficiency of generation only, but the entire process: converting that natural gas into electricity, transmitting the electricity to a residence, and then to the appliance, and then converted back into heat.
With all of the losses of efficiency that result from various steps in that process - chemical conversion, voltage transformations (up & down), resistance, etc - I wouldn't be surprised if that initial 55% or so efficiency ended up in the 37% range.
California leads again.............and New York follows suit!
More retarded shit from the capital of retarded shit…I noticed though that restaurants, bakeries and laundromats will be exempt, as will gas powered generators, so there ya go-worthless virtue signalling to make little Greta happy.
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