The FDA Should Immediately Approve Pfizer's Anti-COVID-19 Pill Paxlovid
The omicron COVID-19 variant is likely to sweep through the country in the next month or so.

Preliminary data indicate that the new omicron COVID-19 variant is apparently highly contagious, doubling infections every two days or so. In addition, early U.S. data find that the virus variant can cause breakthrough infections in people who have received two and even a third booster dose of current COVID-19 vaccines. The good news from a new South African study is that while two shots of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine provide 33 percent protection against infection from the omicron variant, the inoculation offers 70 percent protection against being hospitalized from it.
In addition, most infections were described as mild and symptoms—nasal congestion, a dry cough, and body aches—resolved in about three days. One big caution with respect to concluding that these data suggest that the omicron variant may be less dangerous is that a significant proportion of South Africans have been vaccinated or had already been infected with earlier versions of the coronavirus which may have blunted the symptoms caused by omicron variant infections. In other words, we don't know whether people who have not yet been infected or inoculated are at more serious risk of hospitalization and death from omicron variant infections.
Considering how fast the omicron variant is spreading through various European countries, it looks likely that the U.S. will experience a winter surge of COVID-19 infections. Vaccinations, especially booster shots, remain an effective first line of defense against the new variant. However, the bureaucrats at the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) have been dilatory about approving a second line of defense in the form of a new antiviral pill developed by Pfizer.
The drugmaker is reporting today that clinical trials find that its Paxlovid pill "reduced risk of hospitalization or death by 89% (within three days of symptom onset) and 88% (within five days of symptom onset) compared to placebo; no deaths compared to placebo in non-hospitalized, high-risk adults with COVID-19." Paxlovid is a combination of the ritonavir protease HIV inhibitor and a new protease inhibitor that targets a specific enzyme that the coronavirus, including the omicron variant, needs to replicate and grow.
"Emerging variants of concern, like Omicron, have exacerbated the need for accessible treatment options for those who contract the virus, and we are confident that, if authorized or approved, this potential treatment could be a critical tool to help quell the pandemic," said Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla in a statement.
The pill proved so effective in clinical trials that the company stopped enrolling participants in its study in early November 2021 because it would have been unethical to give new participants a placebo. The company has been all along sharing with the FDA its data as part of an ongoing rolling submission for emergency use authorization (EUA) of the treatment. Four weeks ago, the Biden administration announced that it had already purchased 10 million treatment courses of the Pfizer antiviral COVID-19 pill.
It is beyond stupid that the agency has apparently not yet scheduled a meeting of its advisory committee to review Pfizer's EUA application. It's not like some 1,200 Americans aren't still dying daily from COVID-19 infections and that another highly contagious variant looks likely to cause millions of breakthrough infections as the winter comes on.
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>>highly contagious ... breakthrough infections
herd immunity. then we can finally shut up about it all.
Don't be coltish- Immunity should be seen, not herd
We need herd mutiny in this country.
This is what I have herd, ass well! And that's swell! Thanks for bringing me out of my shell!
Be advised, though, that there is a Bounty on our Mutiny! We are MOST ASSuredly under scrutiny for our mutiny!
(If assked about ANY of this, I will stay muted, indefinitely! I know nothing!!!!)
The mute in me agrees with your mutiny!
I’d never mute you.
I'll flag the hell out of your trolling shitposts so I don't have to scroll past them constantly, but I'll never mute you, Sqrlscasmic. You're too much of a lolcow.
Actually the truth
Heard about that on the radio this morning. Apparently the feds are buying millions of doses for billions of dollars. When I did the math in my head the per-dose dollar amount had three zeros after it.
I think Americans should have the value of the jabs they have received treated as taxable income.
^What the 'bowf sidez' guy says when he suddenly, two years later, realizes that Trump buying billions of vaccine doses for millions of Americans up front has nothing to do with tribes.
Er... what?
You made a great argument against something I never said.
You trying to impress JesseAz?
Lol. You are so fucking broken.
Keep denying what everyone knows you've said. How many times have you lied about not saying something on the very thread you said it in.
This on top of you in every roundup thread making up stuff your mute list says.
I honestly don't think there is a bigger hypocrite than you on the boards.
White Mike, Shrike and chemleft are bigger hypocrites, but sarcasmic is is easily the dumbest hypocrite. He definitely rides the short bus.
You guys say "should" a lot.
It's not like some 1,200 Americans aren't still dying daily from COVID-19 infections...
That's because they're not. They're dying daily with covid infections.
Not. The. Same. Thing.
It's worse than that. Here in the US, it's enough for a doctor to put "probable COVID-19" on a death certificate (in exchange for a 20% bonus payout from Medicare/Medicaid). Actually having COVID-19 is not required. Even having a barely-detectable amount of the SARS-CoV-2 virus show up in a ludicrously over-sensitive PCR test (the standard for most countries) isn't needed here.
Didn't you hear? This patient has money coming out the wazoo!
I had a wazoo once. Not sure where I put it.
You became it.
Zing
"That's because they're not. They're dying daily with covid infections.
Not. The. Same. Thing."
I have to agree. My dad had his fourth and fatal heart attack in September. He tested positive for Covid and it is listed as the primary on his death certificate. The heart attack is listed second.
Sorry about your dad. That must be hard.
Fake sympathy.
sarcasmic
July.16.2021 at 3:11 pm
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I was going to add something about people who might be splattered by the mess, but nobody cares about your alone ass. Shit. Nobody will know you're missed until they shut the power off and things start to smell.
By the way. This is stage 3 of becoming mike/jeff. The fake sympathy for random posters to appear reasonable when 99% of your posts are trolling.
Sorry your dad's death got used to score political points for the lefty public health experts and used as justification for totalitarian policies. At least you have a hell of a support group for that.
My sister and I tried disputing the death certificate, because he had so many cardiac issues over the years. Wasn't happening. This was in Texas.
My Mom's friend had the same thing happen in Latah County (but since it's Moscow what do you expect, right?).
I mean Moscow makes Boise and Coeur d'Alene look like downright red bastions.
I don't say this to make light of your dad's death, but it's like they're saying if it weren't for that pesky covid, he would've survived his heart seizing up? Makes no sense to me either.
Fuck, that happened here?
Sorry to hear that Idaho Bob.
Sorry about your loss.
^this
the official chinavirus numbers are not just exaggerated, they are completely false.
The media / govt / pharma newly forged alliance really has the perfect threesome going.
Media gets non stop panic machine in hopes someone will watch the dying corporate networks. Dem govt gets to exercise their authoritarian control they so desperately want. And Pharma is making money hand over fist. Each sucks the next's dick so their little machine can keep churning out fear/dollars/sheep.
Gov and media are 69ing each other, pharma is cupping both sets of balls, while they’re demanding that we give the ass end up a good licking.
The media began the non stop panic machine to end the existential threat of the Donald Trump presidency.
All the rest flowed from there.
"The omicron COVID-19 variant is likely to sweep through the country in the next month or so."
Oh my god, people are going to get mild colds in the winter time. Horrors!
Regardless of how vaccinated the herd is.
...we don't know whether people who have not yet been infected or inoculated are at more serious risk of hospitalization and death from omicron variant infections.
I don't think you're allowed to lump natural immunity in with the vaccinated. Anyway, the FDA can't just approve a Pfizer product that hasn't been rigorously tested.
watch them!!! TZhey've not tested any of the other WooFlew products
Pfizer is trying to figure out a way to not compete with its vaccine product with its antiviral product. When they do, it will be approved.
How will we know without MOAR TESTING?
Will the pill be red or blue?
Also, I see very few people mentioning the "miracle in Japan" where the Japanese health ministry allowed covid treatment with ivermectin and they saw a correlated drop in cases.
I'm pretty sure the pill allowing people to make their own choices based on Japanese data will be yellow.
#1 pill!
Sounds perilous.
The suppository version will be ramin noodle flavored.
That cannot be true, the Japanese look nothing m.j like horses.
How can you tell, with all of the pixelation?
Because the pixelated area is so small.
Kinda hilarious, actually.
War... What is it good for?
The FDA... What is it good for?
(Answer as far as I can tell: Gathering POWER for itself, and NOTHING more! ... Generalized: Government Almighty alphabet-soup assholes... What are they good for? Absolutely nothing!)
MEEE, you ask? What am I good for? Give me some weapons, and a bridge to stand by, and I can be a road-blocking block-headed toll-seeking troll as well as any of the rest of them! You can't do what you want to, w/o MY Permission!!! Nanny-nanny-NANNY-STATE boooo-Bah, Bah Humbuggered AGAIN, ye all are!!!
Not bad.
OK, but is anyone who knows where this article is appearing, and who would need to be persuaded by it, going to take it seriously?
I've often started a thought experiment, which is, what if someone took charge of a country's authorities and immediately labeled all regulated products safe and effective? Would the people of that country revolt, rejoice, or what? How long would it be before they discovered this authority was lying, and would they care?
To be taken seriously on a question of scientific fact that would affect law, does someone have to have no discernible ideology? I don't know how many times Daddy said to me, "You're just saying that because you're a libertarian." Sometimes it wasn't even about a matter of fact, so it was equivalent to saying, "You have this opinion in this narrow case because you have the same opinion over the broad range." And it does seem to be true that people are more impressed by in-effect-libertarian opinions, i.e. that a certain narrow thing should be legal, more seriously if they don't think the person espousing it believes the same more broadly.
And would it matter if that authority just came out and said, "All products are now safe and effective," as opposed to deeming them so one at a time? Same question with blanket pardons of classes of convicts who'd committed a victimless crime, versus saying one at a time, this one deserves a pardon. Which sort of action gets more respect?
Why does Government Almighty get to decide which meds are safe and effective for me, in the first place? The incredible strength of the placebo effect should be kept in mind when considering this question.
More importantly in my mind, why this HUGE difference between religion and medicine? How soon will Government Almighty get to decide which RELIGIONS are safe and effective for me? Or political parties either, for that matter!?!
Respect? Government Almighty demands that we respect its guns, jails, handcuffs, etc., and the rest doesn't matter all that much!
Hey, just wanted to say I appreciate the cognizant, on topic posts in this thread.
And I totally agree with you here.
The CNN article about doubling every 2 days appeared at the top of my news feed in Google this morning. In mere months, the virus will outweigh the entire planet!
It’s just a blog post, and it’s appearing on the website. So, probably won’t influence anyone, unfortunately.
Yet you come here hourly to gaslight. Weird.
you are dedicated to gaslighting. here, on a comment thread.
Imagine the incentives paid propagandists have, such as CNN journalists...
I'm sure it will get as much attention as monoclonal antibodies do. Or anything else that veers away from the vaccines.
If the treatment is expensive, thus requiring a lot of government machinations to get it out to everyone, then it'll get attention.
This is a new patented pill. So it is fine. Not like cheap generics.
I had no idea that monoclonal antibodies were generic drugs.
You truly are a submissive to power, aren't you?
EEEK!!!! Sorry about that. I was sparring with JSlave on another thread.
Lol. See post below.
And while I'm at it, what's the efficacy requirement for a patent award?
Apparently zero now. Or expiration date of 14 days since many of these studies measure antibodies for just that long.
Yup. Patent is just a disclosure of a novel compound. No efficacy required.
The last thing Fauci, FDA, NIH, and CDC want is something that will take away their power. Refusing to test potential treatments that keep people infected out of hospitals takes away the hysteria.
The FDA won't even allow home test kits that are available everywhere in Europe as they lose control. Why would they allow a pill that reduces hospitalizations and death?
PCR multiplication = stock price multiplication!
Why is it that you find stuff in the last place you look? Because once you find it, you stop looking. The same thing works in reverse - you only find stuff once you start looking for it. Are we sure omicron is "sweeping" the world, or has it been there all along but we're only now looking for it?
OMG! Omicron is super infectious! The number of cases increase 10-fold every two days!
Really? How long have you been looking for it?
Two days.
GTFOH.
Self-Panicking Pandemic Panic Porn Superspreader™
This article is nothing but a Pfizer ad.
I love the part about it being so effective they quit testing it. Really tingles my pringle.
Like the Pfizer application for children vaccines that said deaths were so rare the efficacy gains were statistically irrelevant
the new omicron COVID-19 variant is apparently highly contagious, doubling infections every two days
Bull. Shit. Anyone who believes this is an idiot. The majority of COVID infections are asymptomatic.
It's true.
The first day they knew about omicron, there was on case.
The next day there were two.
on = one, of course.
See: the NFL rash of "infections" which is occurring at a higher rate than last year, pre vaccine, and which are mostly hitting the vaccinated.
If only they could do something about it... obviously, ceasing to test asymptomatic (aka healthy, or not-sick) people is right out.
And yet the box in the picture is clearly labeled EMERGENCY USE ONLY
Call me when the normal course of testing is complete and the FDA approves the drug unconditionally, and the manufacturers are not immune from lawsuits, and the government is once again collecting adverse reactions.
That's why we gotta keep the 'mergency in place forever. How else are they going to claim endless boundless authority to regulate everything?
So if the FDA does make a decision on Paxlovid...
If they decide to approve it: "It's just another example of Big Pharma in bed with Big Government!!!"
If they decline to approve it: "It's just because they want to keep the fear of COVID going to maintain control!"
Either way, the conspiracy arguments are set!
And of course it's totally not the government's fault that so many people don't trust them.
Some of the mistrust is.
But some of the mistrust is based on a nonfalsifiable paranoia that the government will always be wrong no matter what it does.
It’s the way it’s panned out so far.
There is a difference between skepticism and paranoia. The difference, typically, is falsifiability.
A skeptic offers criticisms that can, at least in principle, be addressed and/or rebutted with words or deeds, to the satisfaction of the critic.
A paranoiac, on the other hand, offers criticisms that cannot be addressed, even in principle, because it is impossible to do so to the satisfaction of the critic. Any attempt to do so leads to goalpost moving, accusations of corrupt motives, insincerity, etc.
There are too many people around here who are paranoiacs when it comes to government. We need more skeptics instead.
When skepticism is buried by "private companies", it's hard to distinguish the line. Look back at all the misinformation that turned out to be true, and tell me I should trust the government.
Look back at all the misinformation that turned out to be true, and tell me I should trust the government.
It is not an all-or-nothing thing. You should trust the government when you have a good reason to, and you should not trust the government when you have a good reason not to.
But it is a fallacious argument to claim that since they were wrong once, they will always be wrong forevermore no matter what. Not just for government, but for anyone really.
I also think one ought to distinguish between a situation where a person makes a good-faith decision based on incomplete information at the time that turned out to be inaccurate, and a situation where a person makes a deliberately bad-faith decision based on ulterior motives. The two are often conflated.
But it is a fallacious argument to claim that since they were wrong once, they will always be wrong forevermore no matter what.
The thing is, government has been wrong about a lot of things consistently for many decades. That doesn't mean you simply assume that they are wrong about everything always. But at some point is becomes sensible to assume that they are wrong as a working assumption until you are given some reason to believe otherwise.
That is fair.
Again jeff, how many generocs have you railed against? Hint. All of them.
You mean like when you shouted ivermectin is only a horse dewormer and ignored every study with a positive correlation ?
some of the mistrust is based on a nonfalsifiable paranoia
You misspelled 'easily provable'.
Two weeks to flatten the curve
Looking back at when that phrase was uttered, back in March 2020, what do you think was meant by it?
Do you think "it was a justification for the hardships of COVID lockdowns based on an assumption that it would be temporary, which turned out not to be true, based on incomplete information at the time"?
Or do you think "it was a deliberate lie to justify more mindless government tyranny that they were planning all along"?
It might've been an actual change in plans. Like thinking at first that all government should do is limit the strain on hospital personnel and facilities, and then moving the goalposts to preventing the natural course of the virus to infect most people.
Yes I think that is what it was. It was not some scheme to tyrannize people. It was not lying government bureaucrats lying to us about their "real motivations". It was the natural evolution of their response to the pandemic.
They may not have the capacity for long term deep thinking required for planning, but they do have the ability to seize an opportunity to expand their power.
Your side is still pushing masks and lockdowns despite 2 years of actual data you stupid fuck.
I would agree with you if two weeks hadn’t turned into nearly two years. At some point between these, they knew or realized they were lying out of their asses.
Not necessarily. When you change your mind, does that mean you were lying previously?
instead, they flattened the economy!
Fuck off, provocateur.
The conspiracy is not if it gets approved. If it is safe, approval would be a positive result for the public. If it not yet known if it is safe, rejection would be a positive result for the public.
The conspiracy would be if it gets approved and they get immunity from liability again. That would demonstrate 'Gov+Pharm 4ever' and 'COVID > any other considerations'.
Did you do any research on the pill. Is it vastly different than other known drugs that are generics you've railed against? Or are you taking Faucis word as usual?
He did a lot of research on rohypnol dosing for minors.
Libertarians for Big Pharma is absolutely the pro-croporate rights message 2021 needed.
Good job guys, OBL is becoming more and more #NotTheBee.
Remember when the people gave the federal government the authority to block medicine sales until the federal government "approves" of them??????????????????
Yeah; me neither.
F'en Nazi's.
The villain in “The Dallas buyers club” was tony Fauci.
He was in the club, or part of the affair in some other way?
You’ll never believe it, but he was a bureaucrat in the pocket of big pharma.
He took major heat from Act Up (an AIDS activist org/communist front). Their open letter to Fauci is just as valid today.
It might be just a little biased - "With 270,000 dead from AIDS and millions more infected with HIV, you should
not be honored at a dinner. You should be put before a firing squad."
NIH/FDA denied the use of a/several HIV drug(s). So HIV patients had to travel to Mexico and smuggle them in; forming the The Dallas Buyers Club. Not sure how much blame Fauci actually deserves for that; he was a lead researcher at NIH working on HIV at the time and depending on which HIV activist you hear from he was an incompetent bureaucrat in the pocket of big Pharma or a heroic scientist battling to find a cure (some of those activist said both).
He is an incompetent fool and a criminal.
Let’s talk about his bad qualities though.
^this
The villain in
“The Dallas buyers club”was tony Fauci.And he would have gotten away with it too if it wasn’t for those darn unvaccinated kids.
The first case of Omicron in the US was a man who was both vaccinated, masked and social distanced.
So? Nobody has claimed vaccination is perfect.
What a low bar you've set. If it saves just one life right?
akshully....
but they did claim the vax worked....
O/T: Hey folks, the AP found the MASSIVE FRAUD from the 2020 election. Here it is!
https://apnews.com/article/voter-fraud-election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-7fcb6f134e528fee8237c7601db3328f
Oh look. More MASSIVE FRAUD.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/jay-ketcik-joan-halstead-and-john-rider-residents-of-the-villages-arrested-for-casting-multiple-2020-votes
Shocking. Another daily beast link. Your most referenced source.
And yet you still deny the more than 20 cases ruled of illegal election changes, near 10k in double votes on 3 state audits, nursing home voting rates doubling without family notice, etc.
You are anything if not objective.
I didn't read the article because this was the headline Far too little vote fraud to tip election to Trump, AP finds
You need to look up definition of MASSIVE because AP calls it TOO LITTLE
change of pace to 2016 Crosscheck PURGED an astonishing 7,264,422 suspects in 2016, yet we found no more than four perpetrators who have been charged with double voting or deliberate double registration.
That seems reasonable and totally possible.
Charged huh? Did you ignore Ga and AZ refusing to charge almost 7k double voters alone?
I’m 98% sure Bruce is a parody account. But the thing I find hilarious about his and Jeff’s “no massive fraud” line of bullshit is how the Democrats (mostly) made it practically impossible to track and prove that the people who voted were eligible to vote, especially with mail-in.
that was the plan from the beginning.
"Because of the Covid, all voting laws are changed and they happen to be changed in ways that make it super hard to tell if the votes are legit! "
The trick that CROSSCHECK used in 2016 to purge millions of votes....they didn't notify the people who had their vote purged, thus no prosecutions. If you live in a CROSSCHECK state you might have had your vote purged in 2016 and not know it. Trump tried to make it across all the states so the Trump family could rule forever.
True story from just last week….
8 vaccinated individuals go on a business trip. 6 of them come back with Covid.
Some fucking vaccine.
100 nfl players last 2 days. All but a handful vaccinated
It is pretty good, isn’t it. Vaccination has kept millions safe from hospitalization or serious illness from the delta variant for months now.
Cite? How many tigers were kept away by my rock?
Hahahahahaha
how do you know?
,It worked. Two didnt get it."
Anthony Fauci
A libertarian magazine should not constantly push for Covid panic.
This isn’t one.
You're right. A libertarian magazine shouldn't. But somewhere along the line, Reason became Emote!, and turned to shit. The comments section is a different story. 🙂
Interesting theoretical; how many hits would Reason get if they dropped comments?
Good thing, then, that Reason hasn’t done so.
At least one federal attorney has done his job by successfully prosecuting a rioter at a George Floyd/BLM protest in Pittsburgh who threw concrete and rocks at police.
https://triblive.com/local/scott-man-gets-federal-prison-for-throwing-objects-at-officers-during-george-floyd-protests/
Non violent rocks.
Peaceful concrete.
Concretely peaceful, on an aggregate level, to include the binding agent! (Be sure to add curing time, and keep it cool and moist. Keep forms in place for 2 weeks or more, if they are bearing structural loads while your peaceful concrete is curing).
Concretely, I say, PEACE, Dudes and Dudettes!!! (And Dudesses too, whatever your preferred personal or impersonal pronouns may be.)
1/25,000
But why a _federal_ prosecutor? It doesn't sound like there were any federal cops involved, so this was a state crime.
This article is nothing more than fear mongering covid porn.
Shame on Ronald Bailey, who knows better than write this awful crap.
How so? He has done this for 19 months now.
Maybe Bill bailey noticed.
does he know better? I'm not sure
It is beyond stupid that the agency has apparently not yet scheduled a meeting of its advisory committee to review Pfizer's EUA application.
I heard Pfizer is also working on a treatment for stupidity. One suspects *that* will not be mandated.
Well that was one moronic read. R we sure this rag is libertarian in its beliefs?
The Phucko Knows
O/T: Oh look, here's a "political prisoner" going to the American gulag.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/14/politics/capitol-pelosi-threat/index.html
And of course "political prisoner" means "a right-winger who is fairly punished for legitimate crimes". Because whenever a right-winger goes to jail for any reason, it's a travesty and a harbinger of tyranny. Because jail is only meant for the "bad people". And right-wingers are good patriotic Americans. They are good people. Sure some of them cross the line to do some things that some might call "illegal", like threaten to shoot the Speaker of the House. But they are doing so out of love for the country and should be excused. Because they are good people.
Hey a strawman arguments from Jeff so he can ignore the non violent J6 protestors in solitary without bail for 11 months.
… like threaten to shoot the Speaker of the House.
Without having a gun.
Read the article. He most definitely did have a gun.
Though he missed the January 6 rally because of car troubles, Meredith was one of the first people charged in relation to the Capitol riot after his mother reported concerning texts to the FBI on January 7.
Maybe, but he wasn’t even there!
Goddamn, that is a great self-own.
He wasn’t even at the protest? And you think this proves anything about January 6th? Hahahaha
Garbage.
PAXLOVID is a protease inhibitor.
Guess what else is and DOES THE SAME THING?
Ivermectin.
Paxlovid cost per treatment? $529
Ivermectin average cost per treatment? $8
Since Ivermectin is generic they redid the ingredients for their pill to be able to copyright it AND CHARGE 35+ TIMES WHAT THEY COULD FOR THE OTHER.
Jeff says this is impossible above.
Since Ivermectin is generic they redid the ingredients ….</I:
See? Now it’s no longer horse paste.
First, ivermectin is an anti-parasitic drug, and the mechanism of action of ivermectin on SARS-CoV-2 is not known. It *may* be a protease inhibitor, or it may not be. Who told you that it definitely was a protease inhibitor?
https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/fulltext/2021/08000/ivermectin_for_prevention_and_treatment_of.7.aspx
Second, protease inhibitors are a CLASS of medicines. There are dozens and dozens of them. Even if ivermectin were a protease inhibitor, it doesn't necessarily mean that it works exactly the same way as paxlovid, or any other protease inhibitor for that matter.
1. Get better sources of information
2. Turn down the paranoia meter a bit
Turn down the paranoia meter a bit
Said the guy foaming at the mouth.
Dumb nazi faggot is still dumb.
For Jeff, obviously.
And here jeff ignores both secondary benefits of medicines, a common practice, and every single study showing a positive correlation in many studies.
By the way. Hilarious that Jeff does exactly what we said he would do above as he only accepts the non new generic above.
why would you be opposed to people trying ivermectin since it is already known to be completely safe?
But Jeff given the publicity around invermectin why the "slows" with the invermectin study Frances Collins announced on Lex Friedman. Look it probably doesn't work that well with Covid BUT the faster you put the study out the quicker you can have evidence to help people make decisions. It does appear that monoclonial antibodies help quite a lot given the vaccine efficacy (seems to be less than advertised), treatment and natural immunity are a resonable channel to manage this as well.
telling them to stick their mask and vax up their asses...free.
Fuck Joe Biden
The Senate just voted to raise the debt ceiling by $2.5 trillion.
To see how the senators from your stated voted, you can see it here:
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=117&session=1&vote=00498
Actually, going to the link is unnecessary. If your senator is a Republican, he or she didn't vote for it. Not a single Republican voted to raise the debt ceiling, and every single Democrat senator did. How embarrassing for people who say there aren't any real differences between the two major parties!
Keep that faith, Ken.
Voting will totes save us some day.
BOWF SIDEZ!
Is spelling “both sides” as “bowf sidez” supposed to be a cogent argument that both major American political parties are unworthy of a libertarian’s support?
It is mocking you dumbass.
Geez, what a dim bulb.
you are a moron
It is the racist mocking of certain speech patterns.
There should be a corollary to Poe's law. Poe's law states that you can never say something so sarcastic that it can't be taken seriously by someone--because of all the extremists out there, someone honestly holds that position.
The corollary would hold that you can't make fun a progressive for holding a position that's so stupid, it couldn't be held by some progressive--because progressives are so stupid, there's some progressive out there, somewhere, who is guaranteed to think the stupid thing you're making fun of is genuinely smart.
Umm, this should have been obvious to you, but progressives don’t go around saying, “both sides.”
Let’s look at your use of logic here:
A. Progressives are aligned with the Democratic Party.
B. Mike defended the “both sides” position, which is, by definition, not aligned with the Democratic or Republican Party.
C. Therefore, Mike is a progressive.
The claim is not that there are no real differences. The claim is that they are both awful in their own way, with some overlap in the specifics of their awfulness, and both are unworthy of a libertarian’s vote.
Except you only attack one and defend the other as having good intentions you dishonest shit. Amd attack everyone who attacks the left.
But that’s not the claim you make when you argue with Jesse, overt, or Ken, etc.
Weird,
both of the parties suck but one sucks way more than the other.
can you guess which one it is?
The 14 who capitulated last week did.
They gave the Democrats enough rope to hang themselves with. And they deprived the progressives of being able to force Manchin and Sinema to choose between voting for the BBB budget reconciliation bill or letting the U.S. government default on its debts. If the only way Manchin and Sinema could have stopped the U.S. from defaulting on some treasuries was to vote for the BBB budget reconciliation bill, they probably would have voted for it. Suffice it to say, the Democrats would have raised the debt ceiling even if they had to do it by themselves on a bill by bill basis, and this way, without the BBB budget reconciliation bill is better.
There's only so much the Republicans can do when they don't control either chamber in Congress or the White House. I think this is about as good as it can go when the socialists dominate the Democratic party and the Democratic party controls the House, the Senate, and the White House. If Manchin manages to run out the clock on the BBB budget reconciliation bill, it'll be because of the maneuver that let the Democrats do this tonight. If it wasn't for their ability to do this tonight, we'd be talking about the BBB budget reconciliation bill being passed tonight. And we are much better off without that happening.
In 2 weeks nobody will remember the debt vote and we will be 2.5T more in the hole.
This isn't a win Ken. Most Americans don't even understand what the debt limit is.
Giving them a way to take a vote to raise the ceiling without passing the Green New Deal and permanently increase entitlement programs is definitely a win--if the can't make Manchin and Sinema vote for the Green New Deal and permanently increasing entitlement programs now that the debt ceiling is raised. Two weeks after the BBB budget reconciliation bill dies--if it dies--hardly anyone will realize it died because the progressives couldn't attach it to raising the debt ceiling, but that will one of the main reasons it dies anyway. But everyone will still remember that every Democrat in the Senate passed this debt ceiling hike for $2.5 trillion--and not a single Republican voted for it.
Think of it this way, was Manchin MORE likely to pass the budget reconciliation deal when the progressives in the House were threatening not to pass his infrastructure bill unless he did? The correct answer is yes--and Manchin is less likely to pass the budget reconciliation bill now that the infrastructure bill has passed and they no longer have that leverage on him.
It's the same way with raising the debt ceiling. The future where the Democrats failed to raise the debt ceiling was never a real possibility. The pressure of being responsible for interest on U.S. increasing substantially to price in the possibility of default would have been far too great for Manchin or Sinema. All the progressives had to do was write the debt ceiling raise into the BBB budget reconciliation bill at the last minute before a default, and it would have passed.
That threat is gone now.
Your belief here is bordering on naive. You honestly think the debt vote being all democrat matters in 9 months when half of America doesn't understand what it is?
And no, democrats won't stop spending. Manchin will continue to vote for spending increases, he will just avoid the one public one. This vote increased the debt cap by 2.5T which is estimated to only be until 2022.
There's nothing naïve about inflation being a serious campaign issue and the Republicans running in 2022 on their opposition to spending because of it.
"Manchin will continue to vote for spending increases, he will just avoid the one public one."
If you still can't tell the difference between infrastructure spending and socialism, you're the one that's being naïve.
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Huh, Facebook just admitted its "fact checking partners" are merely opinion. Good to know.
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Vaccinate them and mask them, because my vaccinated ass doesn't want to catch what your toddlers might be spewing.
Some of the comments on that article are straight cancer.
Fauci on Omicron: "Or because there are so many people in the population who have already been infected and now have residual post-infection immunity, which doesn't protect them from getting infected, but is protecting them from getting severe disease."
Well. I wonder what that phenomenon might be called.
thats the same thing the vax is supposed to do
" Natural Immunity."
Anyone seen reliable estimates on the percentage of people who have had COVID by now? Not just those tested positive, but likely total infections.
Go to CDCs site.
As of 1/5/21 it was 5% of the population needing hospitalisation and a 0.0997% death rate.
Now with more deaths, the rate has DROPPED to 800K out of 350 million or 0.002%
Someones been lying.
Look, all it does is tell people that there was slavery. That slavery happened. That's it. Slavery happened. If you fight this, then you're a slavery denier.
The Salvation Army recently defended an internal racism guide that discouraged "colorblindness" and encouraged staff members to "apologize for being white" after the guide faced backlash.
The Salvation Army argued the new guide was meant to encourage discussion about racism among members of the Salvation Army. The organization denied attempting to indoctrinate or tell its donors what to think, reminding people that the guide was meant for internal use.
Episodes like these are why I refuse to give to charities on principle.
They want corporate status while not operating as one (in the money making sense). And the price of that is HR departments.
"The Salvation Army argued the new guide was meant to encourage discussion about racism among members of the Salvation Army. "
CRT indoctrination.
"The organization denied attempting to indoctrinate or tell its donors what to think, reminding people that the guide was meant for internal use."
We got caught...
Typical corporate mission statement based lies.
I went out of my way to NOT donate to the SA this year.
That’s not CRT!!!1!1!1!
Pill wont happen.
Too much moneys being made with a much more complex system of injectible vax, including corporate profits for drug stores and Wal Mart to dispense shots.
Odd how that coincides with a myriad of drug co. commercials for injectable drugs over the past few years.
PS .
.This hospital crisis is a direct result of Oblowhard Care.
No rationing my ass.
Also thank hospitals for going to one bed per room. That halves their capacity.
The excuse I was told was it was done for HIPPA ( privacy) which is a bullshit excuse.
Fuck Joe Biden
Dont Grope Me Bro!
It was done primarily thanks to hospital building codes in various jurisdictions.
Why no mention of the omicron deaths to date? Does that blow up your narrative? DIAF you proggy cunt.
Just because there's only 1 recorded death doesn't mean we haven't all died from Omicron!
Correction: the FDA should not exist
O/T - San Francisco Mayor London Breed goes OFF on the crime situation.
Bel Biv Devoe forever mutha fucka!!
So we can fast track Pfizer protease inhibitor but not finish the invermectin (another type of protease inhibitor) studies and give a definitive answer? Great..that will feed the conspiracy theories FDA.
I honestly think the "Joe Rogan" cocktail has to be rejected because..well its from Joe Rogan and not Fauci. Science eh?
fun fact..average cost of a fake COVID vaccination card $250.
Since no one has been hospitalized with Omicron, how can the vaccine decrease hospitalizations by 80%. Somebody is really bad at math...or something.
This sounds like a Pfizer public relations blurb!
Fun fact... taking free COVID tests until you test positive costs you nothing, and works the same whether you're trying to make sure everyone knows their exposure on a daily basis or are trying to circumvent vaccine mandates.
Fake vaccine card for a fake vaccine.
Sounds fair.
"Taking free COVID tests", I am told (very close, only 2nd-hand) hurts like a bitch... They stick a long-assed cotton swab-stick so far up your nose, it ALMOST comes out yer asshole!!!
I believe you're thinking of "The Chinese Method".
No, it is not that invasive. The tests are pretty benign with pretty much no discomfort. It is not a proctology exam.
Because they stick in the other end.
Really depends on who is doing the swab. My buddy gets bi-weekly and the people who do the swap apparently have a thing against the un-vaccinated. My work lets me swab my own nose.
chicken flavor?
extra msg
That one goes the other way.
oh its the "New Maths" dontchya know? Put enough dolar signs and zeroes in the equation they can make it come out any way it benefits them.
“Since no one has been hospitalized with Omicron…”
False premise.
You’d certainly fucking know about those.
How so, White Mike? Don't just leave us hanging.
Mokes premise is fear to excuse government authoritarianism.
Probably because it is a Pfizer public relations blurb. The Reasonistas and Cato have been doing brown envelope jobs for a while now.
Something about Idaho I'm sure.
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