Public Schools Should Stop Threatening Unvaccinated Kids
Los Angeles Unified School District's 34,000 unvaccinated teens should not go back to virtual learning.

The Los Angeles Unified School District is the second-largest school system in the country, with more than 600,000 students. It is also the largest district to implement a vaccine mandate, not just for employees, but also for students.
District officials had set a deadline of January 10 for everyone 12 and older to get vaccinated, but some 34,000 eligible young people have declined to get jabbed. As recently as Friday, the district's plan was to exile all these students back to the land of virtual learning, according to The Washington Post. Unvaccinated L.A. students are likely to receive a reprieve, however: The school board is expected to vote on Tuesday to delay enforcement of the mandate until the fall semester.
But the mere fact that punishing thousands of teenagers for not being vaccinated was even on the table is disconcerting. Indeed, throughout the pandemic, the enforcers of COVID-19 restrictions have had few qualms about making children miserable—even though the under-18 crowd has little to fear from the disease. Young people are the cohort safest from COVID-19, whether or not they are vaccinated; vaccinated seniors are at significantly greater risk than unvaccinated teenagers. Despite this reality, children and teenagers in the U.S. face the most stringent and brutally uncompromising pandemic prevention policies of all, especially at public schools.
Many New York City public schools, for instance, will now be retaliating against unvaccinated teenagers by prohibiting them from playing sports and participating in extracurricular activities if they're unvaccinated. A public service announcement recently warned teenagers to get vaccinated or else miss out on their social lives:
My taxpayer dollars are going to government commercials taunting teenagers (who have had a godawful time these past two years) for being excluded from activities the government is now excluding them from. https://t.co/wTZFj5vl5w
— Matt Welch (@MattWelch) December 13, 2021
It's one thing to encourage teenagers to get vaccinated: It's quite another to threaten them with further setbacks to their social lives and educational careers if they do not comply. Healthy young people have very little to fear from COVID-19, but two years of social isolation, school closures, and virtual learning are undoubtedly having a profoundly negative effect. Elementary and middle school test scores—particularly among minority students—are plummeting; and according to the surgeon general, more young people are experiencing depressive episodes than ever before.
Public schools shouldn't shame and sanction unvaccinated students, nor should they continue to rely on virtual learning. None of these policies are in the best interests of kids and teenagers. They need their lives to go back to normal.
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the proper response when asked if one is vaccinated is "HIPPA". When asked again, answer again "HIPPA". The third time notify the school that they are attempting to violate your FEDERALLY MANDATED medical privacy rights under HIPPA and that any further attempts will be considered CRIMINAL ATTEMPTS to violate those rights.
That should shut them up. If not then a LAW SUIT for making any requirement to violate HIPPA is in order.
Poison yourself. Poison your kids. And why? Your kids aren’t going to die from COVID-19, unless they are morbidly obese. You probably won’t either. Vaccination of kids provides them with no real benefit, nor does it help society reach herd immunity, or otherwise help society. All vaccinating them will do is threaten them with side effects from the novel, not fully tested, gene therapies that were redefined to be “vaccines” this year by our public health bureaucrats.
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Well, that's an interesting take.
Traditionally, manning up means not being a pussy in the face of moderate danger.
I agree that the present society is weak, but for rather different reasons.
Jim, Americans don’t obey orders.
You’re thinking of Germans.
I AM acting like an AMerican, doofus.
I m holding fast to MY constitutional RIGHT for me and my children to be "secure in their PERSONS, houses, papers, effects".
Dont forget, WE, that is, the US of A, signed on to and agreed to abide by the terms of the Nürenberg Convention, whicih stictly PROHIBITS any form of forced medical tratment, to include treatment goven without INFORMED CONSENT. That includes to cnildren. It also PROHIBITS any "experimenta;" medical procedures to be given to children without such informed consent.
News flash... these things they are callling "vaccines" are only administerred under Emergency Use Authorisation, which means they are, under US and internaional law,"experimental". Reread the last sentence to make certain you understand.
Nor can any medical treatment be goven under any form or level of coercion. Threating the un-innoculated with dneial of services idenitcal to those availbel to the innoculated is illegal. and that is precisely what is happening there.
Yes, durn straight I WILL act like an American. WHEN will byou and your kind find enuogh spine to begin doing so yourselves?
HIPPA broke the news tonite.
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Get vaccinated with lead, Jim.
Acting like AMERICANS would be entirely the opposite of what you commented.
by all means vax up, but please disregard the fact that it doesn't work. i still haven't heard of a single "breakthrough" on measles, mumps, rubella, chikky pox, tetanus or any of the other vax's we all have NO PROBLEM taking. they are tested and proven over years before they get trotted out. these one's? not even a year and we wonder why they don't work. it's because they are not effective. which means they are not safe. silly fools line up for medical experiments and call it wise behavior.
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The beatings will continue until morale improves.
Seniors arent of interest. They just cost SS money.
Theyre out to brainwash children.
AP is Gaslighting "800,000 deaths"
Children can calculate that thats 0.0023% of the population.
But " 0.002%" neither Bleeds nor Leads.
We have Psychopaths in charge.
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"Should"
LOL
In the state of Virginia, 16 people under the age of 20 have died from/with Covid since the pandemic began almost two years ago.
Meanwhile, according to the health care professionals I know, the psychological treatment centers for teens/adolescents are still full (as they have been for months) and are turning patients away.
Kids who were remote last year learned nothing, per their parents.
That's one of the many frustrating aspects of the Great Patriotic War Against Covid: it's considered "selfish" to even bring up the costs of Covid measures or to suggest that other causes of death are important.
The world "selfish" has been re-defined by the lefties as anything that prevents Karen from getting her way. It's incredibly ironic since Karen is the one demanding that everybody else wear a mask or get a shot to protect her and her way of life. Seems.....almost selfish.
I hate the world selfish. The world friendly is better!
I love selfish! Especially steamed or grilled, with lots of garlic butter and some crusty bread to sop up the juice.
I'm ok owning selfish. I really don't give a fk about these people anymore.
the selfish ones are the gummit and pharma big cats making millions off this whole kabuki theatre..... those making bux on masks, injections, getting paid extra for pontificating about that of whichthey KNOW almost nothing yet declare to the rest of us HOW WE SHOULD LIVE.
Speaking of which, there was an historian back in the ealry 19th century who decided he should searech out and talk with as many as he could of those who had actually fought during our War for Independence from Britain. Forty years after the ent, he located one of the men who had stood with Captain JOhn Parker agaisnt the companies of Redcoats just after dawn on 19 Paril 1775, at Lexington Commons. Historian asked this gentleman WHY were you man out that morning?Was it the tea tax? Naa, hardly anyone ever drank the stufff. Was it the Stamp Act? Naw, it twasn't that either. I never saw one, and I don't think they sold very many. Well, what was it then? HERE is his bombshell response: "They had a mind that they would tell us how we should live, and WE had a mind that they wouldn't.".
Two hundred forty some years later, nothing has changed.. there are always the "they" whou would "tell us how we shuold live, and the "WE who have a mind that they woudn't.
Which ones are the true Americans?
Not the dude a few posts above who supports saying "Yazzm mars, we do jes lak yoo sez. "
c'mon uncle nick; "Yazzm mars, we do jes lak yoo sez. " is sarcasm and is strate to the point.
That is simply bullshit. It is an excuse to avoid actually getting involved locally if you live in an area that is in perma-panic. And to avoid dealing with actual facts instead of the partisan media-driven memes about covid which are intended mostly to fear-monger the other side's partisans.
So you're saying the social toll taken on children, teens, and young adults should not be weighed by the fact that they are at next to no risk from COVID?
No. I'm saying - if this is your kids and your school district, then you damn well better get involved in the local issue on its own terms - and not by posing to the cameras with some hobgoblin ideological generic attitude.
If it ain't your kids and your school district, then it ain't your fucking business is it. Which imo is almost as important a criterion for not interfering as is NAP.
[I]f this is your kids and your school district, then you damn well better get involved in the local issue
on its own termsand get put on a FBI terrorist watch list[.]FIFY
JSafe, who has been one of the biggest fear mongers on the site, thinks that you should not discuss counterpoints on the internet and should just take it up with the local school board that is freaking out about the fear-mongering they see on the internet.
You can't make this up, people.
See above post. The reason I don't care to 'support' people like you on the Internet is because:
a)your kids ain't my business
b)people like you (not you yourself though) are the ones who are opposing mandates by denying all basic facts about the disease and I ain't gonna go along with any of that bs when the sole purpose of going along with it is merely virtue signaling on the Internet.
c)there is something in your 'demand' itself that is, imo, kind of a Californication (and the TX, FL, NY equivalent) of every damn problem. Hard to explain - but I ain't gonna go along with that either.
Virtue signaling AND tribal signaling
they came for the communists but you weren't one so you shut up. They came for the retired miltary but you never served, so you just walked on. They came for the churchgoers but since you quit going years ago, you shrugged your shoulders. They came for the truck drivers who did not get injected, but you don't have the license so you watched as they were rouded up. Next they came for the gummit workers who decided their bodies where their own to decide how to take care of, and you turned about and walked away. Next they came for the not yet" fully vaccinated" amd you thought they were after someone ese, but they changed the definiton AGAIN and you only had two boosters, so they cuffed yuo and threw you onto the cattlecars bound for the "camps" on the great plains.
Adios, amigo, youre hosed now.
If YOU do not stand up for what is right, even itf does not direcltly involve YOU you are capitulating to the enemy.
OK. Now you are furthering the whole Californication of everything. You Californian too?
"The reason I don't care to 'support' people like you on the Internet "
Frankly it is probably a net positive for me to do without your support.
"a)your kids ain't my business"
I am unclear when libertarians decided that one ought to stay silent about stuff that isn't their business. Advocating for what is right doesn't depend on whose ox is being gored. Or should any of this with no interest in drugs shut up about the drug war?
The government is claiming the power to force a person to undergo a medical procedure- not for their own good- but to protect different people. That might not affect you directly, but that doesn't change the fact that it is an injustice. And, FWIW, things like the Drug War, Surveillance State, and Eminent Domain also don't tend to be "your" business until one day it is.
"b)people like you (not you yourself though) are the ones who are opposing mandates by denying all basic facts about the disease "
People PROPOSING MANDATES are denying basic facts about the disease. Remember all those flatten the curve models that were wrong? Remember when masks were scientifically ineffective? Remember all the statistics in the article we are commenting on that shows children do not need a vaccination?
"and I ain't gonna go along with any of that bs when the sole purpose of going along with it is merely virtue signaling on the Internet."
Seriously people, you cannot make this up. I love the irony of you exclaiming "I won't be seen associating with the likes of them!" and then accusing me of social signalling because I speak out against something we BOTH agree is an injustice.
"c) there is something in your 'demand' itself that is, imo, kind of a Californication (and the TX, FL, NY equivalent) of every damn problem."
Which demand is that, JFree?
The governmentThe Los Angeles Unified School District is claiming the powerFIFY. Like it or not, this does not seem to me to be an issue that is actually spreading everywhere. Though you - exactly like all other Californians - are telling me that this is - like everything - just proof that California is so important that it is always a harbinger and slippery slope for everything blahblahblah.
imo - the only reason this shit would spread anywhere else is if everywhere else chose to do what you suggest they do - make some sort of self-righteous ideological statement for the cameras in solidarity with everyone else making a statement to the cameras. And chose to not do the stuff that I suggest doing and that you seem to be avoiding like the plague - get the fuck involved locally and stop posing for the cameras.
So my recommendation is - fix your own fucking school problems first before you ask me to waste my time pretending that your problems are really my problems.
"Like it or not, this does not seem to me to be an issue that is actually spreading everywhere."
For someone who claims to be so well informed, you might actually want to read up. First of all, LAUSD's policies are part of a *state* wide mandate. Did you not know that? Also, in case you missed it, the Federal Government is also claiming this power. (c.f. Biden, OSHA, Vaccine Mandate).
"Though you - exactly like all other Californians - are telling me that this is - like everything - just proof that California is so important that it is always a harbinger and slippery slope for everything blahblahblah."
Oh, so you just deny reality is all. Joe Biden didn't get up in front of the country and state that he is directing OSHA to issue guidelines mandating vaccinations? k.
But to be clear, I have made no "slippery slope" argument. The slope is slipped. The california government has claimed this power. The Federal Government has claimed this power. These actions aren't actions that will ultimately lead to injustice. They are injustices in and of themselves. And, while I haven't tried looking, I am pretty sure that there are plenty of examples of you criticizing the injustices of local, state and federal government actors that didn't directly impact you.
"So my recommendation is - fix your own fucking school problems first before you ask me to waste my time pretending that your problems are really my problems."
You aren't fooling anyone, JSafe. You have repeatedly been on record stating that you want people to mask and vaccinate. The record is equally clear that you detest anti-vaxxers. Just fucking admit it: Your tribal lizard brain is more important than principles.
Everyone can see this JFree. Everyone. Your sudden "Uh, I think people should act locally rather than call out bullshit on the internet" is a smoke screen and no one is buying it.
perma panic is what drives L.A. commissars to bring mandates. it's just in the city the rest of the county seems to pretty much ignore them
"the psychological treatment centers for teens/adolescents are still full"
I'm sure you're a long time warrior for increased access there, amirite?
Did you enjoy your time in inpatient? Ever meet a guy named Michael Hihn?
That creates economic activity.
Blowhard Biden will use that to claim economic recovery.
Fuck Joe Biden
"None of these policies are in the best interests of kids and teenagers. They need their lives to go back to normal."
Governments do not want people's lives to return to "normal". They have enjoyed the power they have been given over the past two years and they are not going to return that power to the people.
Too many people think those in government have good intentions. That's your first mistake. They do not. Their only goal is to line their pockets with money and their hands with more power over others.
You're quite paranoid.
And you’re a liar.
And your extremely ignorant.
The Phucko Knows
"The Great Reset"
"Build Back Better"
"New Normal"
These are all things publicly said by those who some here still have faith in to let return to the way things were.
Public schools should cease to exist. For covid. And for the children.
They are now " Pubic Schools"
RR@R are out.
Converting Students to dis- trans gendered freaks is in.
Of note again;
The local girls' soccer league, with no similar mandate, was preventing girls from competing and practicing because they weren't wearing masks. Meanwhile, the boys' football teams has boys on crutches voluntarily doing jumping jacks with the team and boys with casts on their throwing arms practicing off-hand throws and catches, sans masks, in order to support their team and maintain/advance their skills (and have fun).
Vaccine and mask mandates imposed; girls and minorities hardest hit.
Bad faith, how does it work?
Bad faith, how does it work?
By suggesting and imposing unnecessary mandates that girls and minorities are more susceptible to and then claiming to support girls and minorities. No mandates *or* no insistence on gender equality, no bad faith.
It took generations for the system to get as biased as it is. Imposing additional and irrelevant restraints only slows the progress back to equality.
The notion, and term, "equality" is now racist.
You must believe in "equity" now, or you're a bigot.
DAS RAYCISS!!!#!
Or something.
Better idea:
Public schools should stop.
Oh fuck off. Public schools have required vaccines for years. Stop being so butthurt. JFC
And anything is a vaccine if you just call it one!
I'm glad an expert in vaccine science is here posting as ElvisisReal to help us all out!
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Do any of them require flu vaccines? Pneumonia?
Not a single one, of course.
Sone required the swine flu vaccine back in 2010.
They require vaccines for diseases that disproportionately harm and kill children like polio and measles. However with Covid, children are the LEAST affected age group. These mandates aren't to benefit the children, they are to placate the teachers' unions
And once it's on the list, it never comes off. Take polio, for example, straight from the CDC:
Since 1979, no cases of polio have originated in the United States. However, the virus has been brought into the country by travelers with polio. The last time this happened was in 1993.
1 case in 28 years.
Or look at the worldwide stats:
In 2018, there were 33 cases of wild polio and 104 cases of vaccine-derived polio.
Polio is a dead disease. It has no animal host. The live vaccine is more contagious than natural infection (the US uses a dead vaccine). And it's still on the list.
Polio is NOT a dead disease. Two of the wild strains WERE eradicated within the last 10-15 years and have been declared to be eradicated. The remaining wild strain is endemic in TWO countries now - Afghanistan and Pakistan. They are slowly eradicating the wild disease but are hampered by lack of medical infrastructure, funding, and the local interpretation of anti-vax conspiracy resistance that originates from mostly-American assholes like the commenters here.
If you assclowns would just admit basic FACTS about disease, then we could close the fucking deal on eradicating wild polio in its last redoubt just like we eradicated smallpox in its last redoubt in the Horn of Africa. And then the need for polio vaccines would end - exactly like the need for smallpox vaccines ended. But people like you actually WANT this sort of failure to continue - for ideological reasons.
They are slowly eradicating the wild disease but are hampered by lack of medical infrastructure, funding, and the local interpretation of anti-vax conspiracy resistance that originates from mostly-American assholes like the commenters here.
33 cases. Total. Half a world away. And we spend money vaccinating here as an unnecessary school requirement. Stopping it here has no impact there.
And fuck you.
Half a world away. And we spend money vaccinating here as an unnecessary school requirement. Stopping it here has no impact there.
Jeezus H. If covid has taught us one thing it is that 'half a world away' doesn't mean SHIT to a virus. Omicron was just identified three weeks ago in South Africa. It is now the variant creating more than 50% of covid cases in London. And within one month will be the same in the US.
Eradicating wild polio there - in Afghanistan and Pakistan - means there will be absolutely no need to spend money on creating herd immunity here - or in poor countries without wild polio but also without the money to keep vaccinating (the source of mutations that then break out). To use smallpox as an example. The total money spent (much of it by the US) on finally eradicating smallpox is recouped every 26 days in the US alone by not needing to vaccinate against smallpox HERE any more. Stop dicking around and pretending that it is someone else's problem.
Eradicating wild polio there
Then solve it there. Not with mandatory vaccination in the US, where it doesn't exist.
And fuck you again.
Jeezus H. If covid has taught us one thing it is that 'half a world away' doesn't mean SHIT to a virus.
...
Poliovirus is usually spread from person to person through infected fecal matter entering the mouth.
Not exactly an airborne virus like covid. But don't let a false equivalence stop you.
“Poliovirus is usually spread from person to person through infected fecal matter entering the mouth”
SQRLSY hardest hit.
every 26 days in the US alone by not needing to vaccinate against smallpox HERE any more.
I wonder if there's a functional difference between the smallpox vaccination and the symptom mitigation serum whose efficacy drops "sharply" within six months?
Sure there's a difference. Back in the day, anti-vaxers thought that smallpox inoculation would turn people into cows. I haven't heard that one for covid.
The smallpox vaccine had good efficacy for 5-10 years - but then dropped enough to require boosters every 3-5 years in areas where smallpox was still a problem - after 100+ years of development as a vaccine (with no people turning into cows apparently). Which is STILL the smallpox vaccination protocol for troops who might face smallpox as a biological weapon.
The covid vaccine will likely require (meaning for efficacy NOT legal/mandate crap) boosters every 2-3 years - NOT six months (and ongoing more like one year) except for 70+ year olds - for a vaccine that is in its first generation of development.
We’re a year in and they’re already recommending a 4th shot. That kinda shoots your whole 2-3 years in the head.
who is recommending a fourth shot and for whom?
And FFS, smallpox had a fatality rate of 30%.
Why didn't we lock down the world, require masks and social distance between 1954 and 1977 while we vaccinated the world?
Why didn't we lock down the world, require masks and social distance between 1954 and 1977 while we vaccinated the world?
The US required smallpox vaccinations until 1972 - 23 years after the last smallpox outbreak in the US, three years after the first successful 'yellow book' (Intl Certificate of vaccination - incl smallpox) from the WHO for all international travel, and when the disease was down to its last half-dozen countries and there was a serious focus on eliminating the disease.
I have a scar on my arm for a disease that never occurred in the US during my lifetime - and I still have a copy of that yellow book with vaccination records along with an old passport.
Of course I'm sure that to some commenters here, it just means I have the mark of the beast.
Gee, a disease with a 30% kill rate that killed young healthy people. I'm still trying to see if there's any difference between our reaction to COVID and our reaction to Smallpox.
I'm happy to know that in the Future World, all diseases, even with a .0001 kill rate (almost impossible to quantify, according to the CDC) among the very young, making everyone mask up forever and ever amen, and get a booster within six months of getting your first experimental dose might be overkill... while remaining masked, locked down and social distanced.
Nah, let's just keep calling anyone who questions the policy an antivaxxer who believes you'll turn into a cow when you get vaccinated. That way we don't have to discuss those sticky issues.
30% kill rate among the very young, .0001 kill rate... it's all just wise policy.
Welcome to Progtopia.
"remaining wild strain is endemic in TWO countries now - Afghanistan"
So were IMPORTING people from there.
Just....fking...GREAT!!
"and the local interpretation of anti-vax conspiracy resistance that originates from mostly-American assholes like the commenters here."
The idea that some goatherd in Afghanistan is listening to Jenny McCarthy is pretty fucking hilarious. Afghanistan and Pakistan are holdouts because nobody can go there without a good chance of being [shot | beheaded | blowed up].
Nevertheless, it is noteworthy that progress against polio was largely accomplished with a strong set of recommendations, and no need to turn it into a kulture war issue. People have been allowed to opt out of the vaccine for years and years, and places where exemptions were eliminated only did so very recently (after the turn of the century).
The local interpretation is - vaccines are made out of
aborted fetusespig; causeautism and genetic mutationsAIDS, sluttiness, and loose morals; are a threat to muhindividual libertyAllah's sharia law. Locals can do the vaccinations there. But when vaccines are plagued with imaginary evils - well that's the resistance.And yeah I wish this stuff wasn't some culture war or political issue. It's a damn virus and a simple medical issue. But it was clear by late January 2020 that covid at least here in the US was never going to be discussed in anything but political terms. And for whatever reason I don't think that really originated with covid itself.
"But when vaccines are plagued with imaginary evils - well that's the resistance."
Jesus christ you are shameless.
So to be clear you are now backing off the notion that goat herders in the pashtun are declining vaccinations because of american anti-vaxxers.
"And yeah I wish this stuff wasn't some culture war or political issue. It's a damn virus and a simple medical issue. "
Yeah, buddy, you are part of the problem.
It’s even better than that, JFree is saying people halfway around the world who could care less about Americans in general are totes being influenced by our unwillingness to submit.
"Oh fuck off. Public schools have required vaccines for years. Stop being so butthurt. "
Nothing signals butthurt in a denier like starting a sentence with "Oh fuck off".
And you're lying by telling half the story. Schools have required vaccines *for diseases that are dangerous to a significant population of students*.
Which, in case you haven't been keeping up, doesn't describe Covid, Mr. Butthurt.
And it is quite clear that this particular vaccine mandate for kids is intended more to undermine general anti-vax resistance for other vaccines for kids than it is to address the particular risks/benefits of this disease/vaccine.
I really do despise the anti-vaxxers because they despise basic facts. Especially the Mises/Rockwell crowd because they embrace the anti-fact pro-conspiracy shit for ideological/political reasons. But the nanosecond that school districts started requiring chickenpox vaccines and HPV vaccines, then they too stopped making fact-based decisions. And for kids, the covid vaccine is much closer to the chickenpox vaccine than it is to the MMR or DTP vaccine.
I really do despise the anti-vaxxers because they despise basic facts.
Nice try conflating people who know the government has neither the moral nor the constitutional authority to demand individuals with zero risk, with natural immunity or with prior recovery, get vaccinated for a particularly non-lethal disease, with "anti-vaxxers". You... you're not smart.
I'm not conflating this at all. Just look at Rockwell/Mises shit. That is anti-vax stuff and it is precisely the ideological, the methodological, and the direct source of all the bullshit 'libertarian' memes here about covid,vaccine/etc. YOU people are the ones who conflate the two whenever you voice opposition to mandates.
Specifically - the methodology is to oppose accepting ANY/ALL facts about the particular disease that might lead someone/somewhere to a utilitarian-based acceptance of mandates.
so what germain DO you have besides Personal Attacks off topic?
Nothing, apparently.
Wow dude.. U must work for big pharmaceutical. Pasteur was a lying ass fool. Vaccinations have never eradicated ANY disease. The whole Virology "industry" is but bullshit. NEVER has ANY virus been scientifically proven to EVER transfer from one human to another. The flu "disappeared" for two years. Covid has NEVER been isolated in a lab. The PCR test can't test for a virus. It is nothing more then a magnificent system. Like the inventor Kary Mullis said OVER and OVER; "It makes a whole lot of something out of nothing". Thousands of years of the asymptomatic folks being the STOPPERS to now being the spreaders of disease. With not a single scientific study behind it. Mask stopping the spread of disease. Which now discounts 100's of studies pre 2020 that proved otherwise. This Plandemic has a 99.97% survival rate. Per the CDC only 6% of those phony 777,000 deaths were due to a virus. Which IS LESS then the annual norm of the seasonal flu. 23,000 (46,000 over 2-yrs)"covid" vs 37,000 flu per year. The median age of death is 78. Why r u so willing to change the world to save folks who already have one foot swinging over thier soon to come grave..., flu or no flu? Folks like u r the true enemy of the public. As u "sound" like u know so much. Yet... U don't know shit. As your just another parrot. By the way... The grammar is done with a purpose. U'd just be to "spellbound" to understand the "spell" your under.
The Phucko Knows
intended more to undermine general anti-vax resistance for other vaccines for kids
Now right there is some real science for you.
You'll make a good slave.
no human being needs a chickenpox vaccine. no one. we all had it as children and was just not a big deal. just another example of the pharma companies great marketing and lobbying campaigns.
You don't need one, but from what I've heard of shingles, you might want to avoid the pox.
as with the rona it's all about risk assessment. i think the risk is very low. not enough risk to warrant a vaccine.
An estimated one million cases of herpes zoster occur annually in the United States.
The incidence for herpes zoster is approximately 4 cases per 1,000 U.S. population annually.
The incidence among people 60 years and older is about 1 case per 100 U.S. population annually.
The incidence among people 60 years and older is about 1 case per 100 U.S. population annually.
So that's 1% per year from 60-onwards. It's a pretty high incidence for the pain it inflicts. I plan on getting the vaccine.
i'm not sure of the number but i think is really decreases if you've had the pox.
Uh...NO.
Well actually chickenpox in adults can be dangerous. The reason we are vaccinated now as kids is to prevent that occurrence as adults. Getting the disease as kids - not dangerous at all - had the same effect. So yeah - the chickenpox vaccine - or mandate - as kids - is pointless.
That and the HPV vaccine are similar in that the purpose is to prevent getting the disease as an adult. But imo that mandated decision for kids is wrong because it eliminates their choice later in life (when they become an adult) to make their own decisions. Very different from a disease that can kill/maim kids before they reach the age of majority.
My pops had shingles. He didn't *need* to avoid it, but he would sure as fuck LOVE to have avoided it.
THis has been said about a billion times:
1) In most parts of the country, vaccines are in fact not required. You can get various exemptions for medical, religious and philosophical reasons.
2) The recommended vaccines have largely been for the protection of the kids themselves. COVID represents near zero risk to them, and demanding that they vaccinate is the height of selfishness.
The subtext of the argument I'm starting to draw out is, even if the vaccine might be statistically more dangerous than COVID itself, you're supposed to sacrifice the safety of your child (albeit a small percentage chance of negative side effects) on the altar of public safety. You're vaccinating your child not for THEIR safety, but for the safety of all the adults around them.
Bullshit. They don't stop u from getting it. Spreading it. Getting sick from it. Or dying from it. Your statement is just completely asinine. Oh that's right. It makes them ALL less of an ordeal. WOW... Just f-ing WOW!! So how EXACTLY does one qualify that? On your grave stone do u get to chisel "It could've been worse"?
The Phucko Knows
It's not about health, it's about ritual obedience.
Collective uber alles.
And again, Smallpox, more transmissible than COVID, with a 30% kill rate, and no one spent years locked down and masked for this disease while we went on a 30 year bid to eradicate it, replete with multiple boosters-- some getting boostered multiple times within the first 12 months of getting their first vaccine.
At some point, I'd like to know how "safe" a disease has to be before people can live normally, not mask, not social distance, not lock down, not lose their jobs etc. What's the threshold? If 30% kill rate and extremely virulent wasn't enough, then why why >1%?
This has been explained to you before. So YOU fuck off.
Or better, commit suicide. No one loves you, and no one ever will. Which is why you’re a loathsome, wretched democrat.
And you believe getting vaccinated will return us to normal. El oh el.
They'll only get us better tracked by the King Lizard Gates, amirite?
Nice attempt to derail.
that happens when the Conductor is drunk...
FJB
public schools should stop doing a lot of things to children.
The Pubic School System is functioning as designed.
if we don't maintain the same educational blueprint we've had for 100 years the terrorists win.
The Pubic School System is functioning as designed.
you should stop beating about the bush and splitting hairs....
Government education is child abuse.
Neal Boortz, is that you?
😉
Government education is an oxymoron.
as in...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=00c1hibtxRU
Indoctrination camp or reeducation camp would be a more appropriate term. Anyone who still has their kids in public schools doesn't love their children.
Seems like only the deepest blue cities, counties and states have imposed vaccine mandates, and have reinstated mask mandates.
These policies have nothing to do with protecting public health (as their promoters/imposers falsely claim), but rather to control the masses of sheeple and advance totalitarian policy goals.
....over ONE Omicron death...
overseas
Ahem...FJB
if these covid injections had anything to do with soyence then the cdc would recognize natural immunity -- but they don't. If this was about soyence then the cdc would have a heavy focus on therapeutics -- but they don't. their only solution are the so called "vaccines". follow the money.
This is a hack piece. A serious journalist would at the very least address the real issue - vaccination helps cut down the spread of the virus. Full stop. A journalist that has any integrity would at least address this issue. So Robby, are you saying that the vaccine has no effect on the spread of the virus? Or is it not enough of an effect to balance the trade-offs of freedom? It's not a hard concept to get your mind around so do your job and address it. Otherwise, you are just a hack carrying water for someone's ideology in order to cultivate a readership based of morons..
Not these vaccines. That is the fallacy there. The public health bureaucrats redefine these novel gene therapies as “vaccines”, and you assume that they provide community protection of some sort. But paraphrasing Lincoln, calling it a leg doesn’t make it one. It isn’t. Turns out that these vaccines are extraordinarily leaky, not really preventing anyone from passing on the virus.
Yes, initially, a year ago, it was thought that these “vaccines” would reduce spread of the virus. But we have known at least since early July that these vaccines were far from sterilizing, and by now, the statistics show that they don’t really provide any benefit in slowing down the spread of the virus -they just make it easier to survive, which kids don’t need, with their 99.99% survival rate, vaxed or unvaxed.
Lie:
"vaccination helps cut down the spread of the virus. "
Helps cut down is evasive and misleading.
It is proven that vaxced people are SPREADING IT.
When you open with unproven personal attacks youre a Lying Troll.
Full Stop
"A serious journalist would at the very least address the real issue - vaccination helps cut down the spread of the virus"
A serious person would understand that nobody- especially a 6 year old child- is obligated to "help cut down the spread of the virus".
And this doesn't even approach the fact, mentioned above, that it isn't really even clear as to what extent the vaccine actually, you know, slows down the spread of the virus. It is pretty clear that the vaccinated are spreading the virus. It is also pretty clear that they are more reckless when vaccinated- either because they feel safer, or they don't notice they are sick and stay home.
Anti-science Reason is at it again.
Ron is the middle manager that understands neither the product nor the customer.
There was time post ww2 when the international community unified strongly against forced or coerced medical experimentation. Its to bad the Nuremberg Code is no longer honored or enforced. If so these would be considered war crimes.
Hitler and Mengele are proud...
Their legacy lives on. They never hoped it would go world wide like the covid hoax has.
A 2020 Center for Media and Democracy investigation reported on billionaire money behind media operations favorable to right-wing ideology, including the Reason Foundation. The piece noted, "For decades, Charles Koch has been committed to radically changing American society into a libertarian paradise, free from taxes and regulations, in which the wealthiest oligarchs, like himself, can destroy the environment, exploit their workers, and reap astonishing profits... Koch's strategy has been a wild success, but it may not have been as effective without another avenue of influence: favorable media.
Spoken lije a true Crackpot.
Ad hominem attacks and conspiracy lies.
Seek professional help from the neck up.
Reason presents itself as a venue for libertarian ideas. The libertarian credo simplistically put, seems to be that folks should be allowed to do as they will provided that they do not cause harm to others. So why is it that they are arguing that teenagers (or anyone else for that matter) should have the right to spread a deadly disease among the population when there are good tools available to prevent (or at least reduce) that spread? If it was not a communicable disease I would support Reason's position unequivocally. However, that is not the case. The death rate per 100k for 2020 (828.7) was 16% higher than in 2019(715.2) (as per the CDC).
Reason did not advocate safe sex mandates during the AIDS pandemic.
"So why is it that they are arguing that teenagers (or anyone else for that matter) should have the right to spread a deadly disease among the population when there are good tools available to prevent (or at least reduce) that spread?"
Reason is not arguing that people have a right to spread a disease.
And in case you didn't notice, unvaccinated people aren't exercising a right to spread a disease. Whether you are unvaccinated or vaccinated, the only way you spread a disease is if you are *infected*.
And indeed, as a libertarian, I would argue that it is wrong for you engage in an activity that is likely to spread a disease if you are infected. But, as a libertarian, I also note that it is not *anyone's* responsibility to proactively protect *you* from a natural pathogen.
You are not obligated to buy me a coat to protect me from the cold. You are not obligated to sit on your porch and shoot any wolves you see crossing into my neighboring property. And you are not obligated to undergo a medical procedure to protect me from a virus.
I wholeheartedly recommend that people get vaccinated to protect themselves from the virus. I also recommend that those VACCINATED people be mindful that they too can spread the disease- especially since they can be infectious while having much milder symptoms. This is the appropriate, and liberty-consistent way to combat the virus.
BBC World News is on.
Ill get strait truth from them! Yay.
Ahem...
FJB
Hmm...maybe 800,000 people have died of the Chinese Flu since the start of 2020. Many of those people had comorbidities. Yet since January 2020 three times as many people, or about 2,400,000, have died of heart disease and cancer. The number who die of heart disease goes up every year. Yet we don't damage our society and our economy trying to stop the spread of heart disease and cancer, do we? Apples and oranges? No, look which kills far more people. This entire fucked-up response to the Chinese Flu has been nothing more than a political power play. Problem is, more and more people are resisting, each in their own way. Now, who can trust government/law enforcement/media/the judiciary/"science"? Nobody can.
"Yet we don't damage our society and our economy trying to stop the spread of heart disease and cancer, do we?"
What the fuck, man!? Stop giving these assholes ideas.
"Many of those people had comorbidities. "
Car wreck. Head ripped off and thrown in the back seat.
" Yes, (s)he died of Covid....."
Head ripped off…from covid.
Public schools should stop.
Fixed it for you