Dueling Dictionary Definitions Figure Prominently in the Legal Dispute Over OSHA's Vaccine Mandate
Is the COVID-19 virus an "agent"?

Briefs submitted to U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit this week suggest that dueling dictionary definitions could figure prominently in the legal dispute over the federal vaccine mandate for private employers. Opponents of the mandate, which the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) published last Friday, argue that it exceeds the agency's statutory authority. The Justice Department says the mandate plainly falls within the agency's powers under the Occupational Safety and Health Act. The dispute hinges largely on the meaning of key phrases in that law, which is why both sides in the 5th Circuit case did a dictionary dive, looking for definitions that bolster their arguments.
OSHA's "emergency temporary standard" (ETS) decrees that companies with 100 or more employees must require them to be vaccinated against COVID-19 or wear face masks and undergo weekly testing. Last Saturday, responding to a lawsuit filed by a Louisiana supermarket chain and six employees of a Texas company that makes kitchen ventilation systems, the 5th Circuit imposed a temporary stay on the ETS, which it said raises "grave statutory and constitutional issues." The court asked the government to "respond to the petitioners' motion for a permanent injunction" and invited a reply from the petitioners. Both briefs in BST Holdings v. OSHA address an arcane question that is apt to come up repeatedly in challenges to the vaccine mandate: Is the COVID-19 virus an "agent"?
That matters because of the legal requirements for an ETS. OSHA has to identify a "grave danger" to employees "from exposure to substances or agents determined to be toxic or physically harmful or from new hazards." It also has to show the emergency standard is "necessary to protect employees from such danger."
The plaintiffs in BST Holdings v. OSHA, who are represented by the Chicago-based Liberty Justice Center and Louisiana's Pelican Institute for Public Policy, argue not only that the ETS is not "necessary" but also that the agency has failed to identify a "grave danger" of the sort Congress had in mind, because "COVID-19 is not a toxic substance or agent." They add that "OSHA cannot attempt to shoehorn this disease into the phrase 'new hazards.'" That phrase, they say, should be understood in context to exclude airborne viruses: "Because Congress expressly allowed for an ETS to be issued for 'substances or agents determined to be toxic or physically harmful,' the catch-all phrase to encompass other hazards must be read in light of, and limited to, items similar to those that come before it."
Nonsense, the government's lawyers say: "The COVID-19 virus is both a physically
harmful agent and a new hazard. It readily fits the definition of an 'agent,' which is 'a chemically, physically, or biologically active principle.'" That's a quote from Merriam-Webster's definition of agent. The government's brief also cites Merriam-Webster's definition of virus as an "infectious agent," and it notes that OSHA has defined "toxic substance or harmful physical agent" to include "biological agent[s](bacteria, virus, fungus, etc.)."
Not so fast, the plaintiffs say in their reply brief:
Respondents rely on definition 2b from Merriam-Webster, which defines "agent" as "a chemically, physically, or biologically active principle." But Merriam-Webster defines "principle" as "an ingredient (such as a chemical) that exhibits or imparts a characteristic quality." And an "ingredient" is "something that enters into a compound or is a component part of any combination or mixture." It is, thus, not a virus.
According to the Oxford Advanced American Dictionary, an "agent" is "a chemical or a substance that produces an effect or a change or is used for a particular purpose." Thus, in the context of the Act, "agent" means a substance that is "used for a particular purpose" in the workplace. The statute was meant to protect workers from the substances with which they are working; it does not allow [OSHA] to mandate a vaccine on 84 million American workers.
That understanding of agent reinforces the plaintiffs' more general argument that OSHA has strayed beyond its mission to protect employees from workplace hazards because its ETS "is not related to the workplace." By that they mean that the danger posed by COVID-19 is not especially acute in the workplace, since the risk exists in every setting where people encounter potential carriers. "OSHA is limited to regulating a 'grave danger' that is more likely to occur in the workplace," they say. "In other instances [cited by the government], employees faced an enhanced risk from the 'grave danger' at the workplace."
The brief mentions OSHA's standard addressing bloodborne pathogens, which aims to protect "workers whose duties involve exposure to blood or other potentially infectious materials." That example reinforces the argument that OSHA is supposed to deal with workplace-specific hazards, which do not include the population-wide threat posed by a contagious disease like COVID-19. As OSHA itself noted in the preamble to its ETS, "COVID-19 is not a uniquely work-related hazard."
At the same time, the bloodborne pathogens standard seems to contradict the plaintiffs' preferred definition of agent, since in that case OSHA treated infectious microorganisms as "harmful physical agents." The government cites that precedent in its brief.
Notably, the bloodborne pathogens standard required that employers offer workers free vaccination against hepatitis B, but it did not mandate vaccination. Neither did the COVID-19 ETS for the health care industry that OSHA published in June.
The plaintiffs argue that the ETS for private employers is "novel" in four ways: "it does not address a toxic substance or agent," "it is not related to the workplace," "it mandates a vaccine for the first time," and "it attempts to protect employees from themselves." That last point is debatable, since OSHA has long required safeguards, such as "personal protective equipment," that are at least partly aimed at preventing workers from accidentally injuring themselves. But the plaintiffs argue that the paternalism embodied in the vaccine mandate breaks new ground because it does not address a workplace-specific hazard.
"The purpose of the [Occupational Safety and Health Act] is to provide workers 'safe and healthful working conditions,'" the brief says. "Yet the ETS attributes the 'grave danger' for workers not to their working conditions but to their own 'lack of vaccination.' This is not a working condition but a private healthcare decision. Protecting employees from themselves, untethered from the workplace, far exceeds the purposes of the Act. Respondents can point to no other precedent for this extreme paternalism."
Although the Occupational Safety and Health Act "is not a catchall to be leveraged when Congress has not otherwise authorized federal action," the plaintiffs say, "that is precisely how it is being used here." The White House presented the ETS as part of a broader effort to boost the nationwide vaccination rate. The aim, it said, is to "reduce the number of unvaccinated Americans by using regulatory powers and other actions to substantially increase the number of Americans covered by vaccination requirements."
But the federal government has no general authority to protect public health, control communicable diseases, or require vaccination, all of which are primarily state responsibilities. That is why the administration decided to couch the vaccine mandate as a workplace safety measure. We'll see whether the courts think that description fits.
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Missed the definition of vaccine by that much.
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OAD redefines Agent in 3...2...1...
That does seem to be a common strategy lately.
That's why I never trust a dictionary that is less than 40 years old.
You don’t trust O’Brien?
I don't know what that is.
They may, but how about listing a disease that has a 99+% survival rate as a "grave danger"?
The statute was meant to protect workers from the substances with which they are working; it does not allow [OSHA] to mandate a vaccine on 84 million American workers.
Is "No shit, Sherlock" inappropriate for a legal brief?
They spell it out clearly.
The workplace does not present a novel or unique hazard. The counterargument might be for customer-facing roles that increase exposure.
However, there is no precedent for REQUIRING a vaccination.
OSHA encourages but does not require flu vaccination. Even healthcare workers aren't REQUIRED to get a flu vaccination.
Some states require health care workers to get a flu vaccination.
You are right that OSHA never exercused tgos power.
Dueling Dictionary Definitions Figure Prominently in the Legal Dispute Over OSHA's Vaccine Mandate
There is no legal dispute. The court has ruled.
Was this before or after Merriam-Webster did a midnight update of their definitions?
Not really. The court has issued a temporary injunction. Only after both sides get to present arguments will the court actually rule and decide whether the injunction should be made permanent. And even if it is, you know this will get appealed all the way up so there will continue to be a "legal dispute" until SCOTUS eventually rules on the definition. Which, given Roberts' tendency to avoid all controversial issues for as long as possible, means the "legal dispute" will likely continue for several more decades.
Ivy League record setting Punter.
Penalvaxx?
Nice
Nonsense, the government's lawyers say: "The COVID-19 virus is both a physically
harmful agent and a new hazard. It readily fits the definition of an 'agent,' which is 'a chemically, physically, or biologically active principle.'"
COVID is not an agent produced or controlled by the company or employer, unlike a toxic substance that is a byproduct of manufacturing.
If this is allowed to stand, that means that OSHA could make employers responsible for literally anything in the environment that poses a hazard to employees who may or may not be exposed to that hazard, inside or outside the workplace. This isn't a hard decision for the courts.
It shouldn't be a hard decision for the courts. That doesn't mean it won't be.
Bingo.
My thoughts exactly. Under a common-sense reading (i.e., not a lawyer) of the very term Occupational Safety and Health, their mandate is limited to dangers arising from the workplace. If you allow anything whatsoever related to the job, well, your biggest danger is your drive to work so why couldn't OSHA impose a national speed limit of 35 mph? And if you're planning on stopping by McDonalds on your way to work, you better believe OSHA's going to have something to say about the amount of fat and salt in that Eggamuffin.
Brandon "is both a physically harmful agent and a new hazard. It readily fits the definition of an 'agent,' which is 'a chemically, physically, or biologically active principle."
Biologically active was proven when Brandon dropped a deuce in public.
We have all witnessed Sullum wax poetic about overreach by the prior administration, but no matter how far this one goes, he just cannot manage to opine that this mandate is morally wrong.
I don't know who she is, but no matter how long you hold off on criticizing the left, she is never going to fuck you, Jacob.
Maybe he is angling for a pegging.
If he said it was morally wrong, what difference would that make to anybody? Statements about morals are vapid. Libertarians have spent much of our time trying to get rid of "public morals" provisions of law; now we're supposed to think morals are important?
OK, sure. But how does, "We'll see whether the courts think that description fits," promote a libertarian agenda? He seems to be doing everything he can not to state an actual opinion.
Gee, can't he be, you know, a reporter?
Except he's not a reporter. He's an opinion writer, as the first six months of the year proved.
But he is a pretty good reporter. He should never have gotten into the political opinion stuff so much. Sullum does quite well on his traditional beats of drugs and guns, I've always thought.
His current wetdream is Liz Cheney.
What quaint and old fashioned ideas they have about how words have defined meanings.
So white...
Well, they tend to have many defined meanings and that's the problem. It's one thing post-modernists get right. But the sensible response to that observation is not to give up on the idea of meaning altogether.
Laws should probably define terms more. If interpretation comes down to arguing about dictionary definitions, you get a situation like this.
And if they are going to go to dictionary definitions, it should probably be from a dictionary that was current when the law was written.
Exactly!
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/newspeak-is-upon-us
>> "emergency temporary standard"
three lies in one.
Chuckle
I came here to say exactly that. How can a vaccine be temporary? Once jabbed, there's no going back.
This vaccine seems to be quite temporary. Which would have brought into question the definition of "vaccine", but that was taken care of a couple months back.
When I taught Environmental Science, I used the term "agent" to include viruses. I'm pretty sure epidemiologists generally would use the term that way.
And computer scientists use the term to include bits of software, but clearly Congress didn't intend OSHA to regulate software either
But the context of the legislation matches what would be used by people studying the subject scientifically. It's consistent with the other things in the sentence. It seems like a great stretch to think Congress meant to exclude viruses as "agents" in this context. Congress may not have intended OSHA to regulate off-the-job exposures or to regulate a virus in such a way as this, but to somehow exclude from "biological...agents" viruses is a mind bender.
The appropriate question when evaluating legislative text isn't simply "what Congress meant to" do. Text should control over evidence of intent, intent just answers ambiguity.
Would you agree that the meaning of "agent" in context has a relationship with the regulated industry/workplace? That is, agent means something used purposefully or emitted in connection with the work taking place?
If so, the OSHA regulation as applied to a viral research lab probably does include viruses in its definition of agent. But a shipping warehouse doesn't.
The question isn't: does "agent" completely exclude viruses in a vacuum in the statute? The question is: does the statutory definition of "agent" include viruses as applied to the scope of the order under review?
How about the question of whether OSHA is constitutional at all in the first place? Seems like it should be a state thing.
Considering the momentum on the pro-constitutionality side, so soon after Raich, it could take centuries to reverse that in court — unless we can pack it!
It's allowed under the secret codicil that says:
"None of this applies if someone gets sick".
The correct libertarian remedy for this mess would be to repeal OSHA, which has done nothing useful since it was passed. Leave it in place and the next mandate will be you need to have a BMI below 25 to be able to work.
Semantics in politics is as old as politics. Humans started distorting the meaning of words right after we learned about prostitution.
Studies have shown that monkeys intuitively grasp the concept of prostitution - give a group of monkeys food rewards for completing certain tasks and inevitably they will start using the monkey treats as a form of cash and the first thing they start buying is sex - so I'm pretty sure the knowledge of prostitution is older than mankind itself. And of course, sneaky, cheating animals have been outwitting bigger and stronger animals even longer than that so politics is even older than prostitution.
I might have it backwards.
It's not just monkeys, nor just vertebrates. In many insect and spider species, the male suitor will approach the female with all the food he can gather and carry. (It's important to bring a high-quality gift, as often the female rejects the suitor by eating him _first_.)
OTOH, what does it mean when a human male brings a box of chocolates to his date?
"Lady of negotiable virtue"
It also has to show the emergency standard is "necessary to protect employees from such danger."
No vaccine necessary - a simple mask is all we need.
The CDC said so.
Ever notice how the vaccinated don't "need" a mask?
Yet all "the science" says the vaccinated and the un-vaccinated carry the same level of plague.
It's not about what you catch. It's about who you catch it from.
Does a “fully vaccinated” t shirt not work?
"the vaccinated and the un-vaccinated carry the same level of plague"
Possibly. But vaccination reduces the viral load (that's how it reduces the severity of the illness), so on the average the vaccinated would carry a lesser load.
Unlike the load Brandon dropped.
Except that it might not.
https://www.ucdavis.edu/health/covid-19/news/viral-loads-similar-between-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-people
A mask mandate will be next. Biden said ge vaccinated and you won't need a mask. That lasted about two weeks.
Perhaps one of these bright minds can show when health became a condition for general employment. There are some exceptions where it matters, of course, but there are also state and federal laws that prohibit using health status in hiring decisions. After that, I'd like to hear how it is medically ethical to force people to take something against their will.
If only there was a federal law allowing people to refuse an experimental drug - - - - - - -
Or to have privacy in their medical records...
Well apparently all those arguing that the wuFlu is an agent of the commiechinese are silent today.
It will certainly help the CCP cull their elderly population, save money and allow them to relax family size restrictions. Just in time to start producing the next generation of youthful comrades.
If they settle this on statutory grounds instead of constitutional ones, we are already fucked.
Theyve already declared carbon a pollutant. Between that and viruses and bacteria there isn't a single limiting principle to what government can do.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
.....shall not be infringed....much.
That was a very different Supreme Court making a very similar error as the one the feds are requesting here. If the court goes the other way on statutory grounds here, that's a good sign that Massachusetts v. EPA is more likely going to get reversed.
And in other news - Austrians have a different way of dealing with the unvax and ICU's.
Their rule is - if 30% or more of ICU beds are occupied by covid patients, then unvax have to be put in general lockdown. Kinda ugly.
Not were why you think Australia doing what you suggested is a good thing. This is the country tackling 70 year old women in the streets for being unmasked in a park. They are authoritarian shits just like you.
Austria actually has few kangaroos and tackled 70 year old women. Australia does have more of both. Just sayin'
Ahh. Thought this was Australia. My bad. They are also considering the no benefits of not vaxxed.
Jfree is still an authoritarian fuck.
It is really interesting that the "right to healthcare" disappears when one does not conform.
Austria is where a brothel has offered 30 minutes with a lady of your choice if you get the jab there.
Australia isn't
Bribery is preferable to violence - but from where did the funds to buy the bribes come?
You know who else Austria had?
But it wasn't Austria that elected Hitler...
It’s the kind of ugly you wanted.
Austrians know how to deal with the untermensch.
As expected. J(ew)Free is advocating an Austrian's authoritarianism again.
especially if you don't speak Austrian.
Define "unvax".
"Vaccinated/Unvaccinated" is already well into moving target territory. So from a policy standpoint, I, vaccinated, may quickly be considered unvaccinated.
And in a different place - Sweden is no longer testing the vaccinated even if they have covid symptoms (I assume that means the unhospitalized)
Huh, so Colin Powell wouldn't have been tested. I'm good with it. Then he wouldn't even be a covid statistic. He'd be a cancer death.
What's fascinating about that, is imagine how low your covid numbers will suddenly go.
Are you vaccinated? Yes, excellent, I don't even want to know if you have COVID, just like we used to do with regular flu. I mean, think about it... imagine if we tested EVERYONE for regular flu like we've been testing for COVID, we'd probably discover half a million flu deaths, and that would fuck up the narrative, wouldn't it. Sir? Sir? Nurse, the patient just died. Mark the cause down as "loneliness".
Did we test him for covid?
No, he's vaccinated.
Hospitalization stuff is what matters now. Cases are only important at the beginning when you are wondering where the virus is. By now, everyone should know the answer - it's here. Ok. Next.
And excess deaths are still going to be the legitimate focus for everyone except the denialists
That’s fine. Just don’t try to lump this years deaths in with last years to make it sound like 600k extra people died last year.
Agree and don't need to do that. Deaths get aggregated weekly and get reported within a few weeks. A reasonable definition of endemic v pandemic/epidemic is that deaths become more normalized - more expected - stuff we are prepared for rather than blindsided by. Some countries are doing an ok job avoiding excess deaths. Others not so much.
No, excess deaths will only continue to be the focus for true believers of the Branch Covidian cult. The virus is your god and the vaccine is your sacrament.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/nov/9/biden-team-wont-admit-it-but-the-covid-19-pandemic/
Lumping all "excess deaths" together is how the authoritarians count the deaths _they_ caused with lockdowns in support of their policies.
At the same time, the bloodborne pathogens standard seems to contradict the plaintiffs' preferred definition of agent, since in that case OSHA treated infectious microorganisms as "harmful physical agents." The government cites that precedent in its brief.
If OSHA had authority to protect all workers from blood-borne pathogens everywhere and at all times, thisargumant mightnhold a mililitre or two of water.
THose standards about "blood borne pathogens" only apply to workers who are exposed to such things.. hospitals, surgical facilities, labs where blood is drawn for ana lisis, mbulances and fire dept medics, etc. And since blood is generally contained within people, the OSHA regs dont aply to everwhere any such technician goes, and at all times. Put the gloves and face sheild on when you are bout to be in contact with someone else's blood, as in, at the scene of a car crash. The worker is not required to wear the gloves and sheild commiting to work, at home, t the greengrocer's.. like they will the injection IF they knuckle under and take it. So the imaginations at OSHA are working overtime.
The virus is NOT an "agent" inthe sense it is an item or chemical or substnce that is used in the making or midofying of something else. It is, supposely, everywhere all the time, thus not specific to the workplace but to life itself these days. When a worker closes out his shift and heds out to the car park to head home, he leaves the workplce nd ALL its hazards, risks, agents, and obnoxious coronacops behind. SO no, he must NOT be requried to take his "protective devices" (injectioins) home or to the park on Sunday afternoon.
OSHA re WAY out in the weeds on this one. Per Dopey Joe's orders which he got from someone else and passed along mindlessly.
The virus is NOT an "agent" inthe sense it is an item or chemical or substnce that is used in the making or midofying of something else
As I stated above, COVID is not a byproduct of corporate activity such as manufacturing. OSHA has no place regulating this mandate.
COVID was manufactured in a Chinese lab, so a byproduct of government activity, including the US govt.
I wonder if they'll use that argument.
A virus is as much an agent of such changes as are chemical and physical agents, and biologists do normally use the word "agent" this way. I remember all the effort to find out what the "AIDS agent" was, for instance, at a time when its nature was unknown but the most prevalent hunch was that it was an infectious agent, probably a virus, yet could have been a chemical agent. These are all considered equally "agents".
Here: https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=AIDS+agent&year_start=1960&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=3
So what? There's zero way to prove that the covid you come down with today was caught at the workplace yesterday. As such, covid is not a workplace hazard.
So OSHA could have regulated the AIDS crisis via mandates and behavior modification... I like where this is going.
And the Constitutional Authority for mandates is where?????
In Brandon's britches.
I am surprised they are engaging in this semantic argument about the meaning of the word “agent,“ instead of arguing how the unvaccinated allegedly pose such a “grave threat” in every workplace (but only of employers with a total of 100 employees or more, even if they are spread over 50+ facilities of two employees each) that they make an “emergency” rule necessary.
Not only that, but how OSHA is making it as if some problem of the general environment were peculiar to the workplace. We've had a lot of communicable diseases for which there were vaccines, but OSHA has never tried to make it that a disease that wasn't actually an occupational hazard had to be approached this way. They'll say, "Our failure to exercise this power in the past doesn't mean it didn't exist. And just because we could do the same regarding smoking or drinking (or teetotaling) off the job, or failure of employees to get married or pregnant, or their giving birth instead of aborting, doesn't mean we're obligated to."
Yes, except the fact that they DIDN'T is a form of precedent, don't you think?
Yes, that struck me as really odd. There are many arguments against this mandate that are glaringly obvious. Why get into the weeks of "agent"? That does not bode well for a permanent stay.
"weeds" sheesh
Oh, at this rate it could easily be months.
On the one hand that is good, leaving companies like the one my family owns, and which we will shut down if the mandates are upheld, free to operate. On the other, bad, as more and more companies believe they will eventually be caught with their pants down if they don't just go ahead and implement (as suggested by our Dear Leader) the mandates.
OSHA has to identify a "grave danger" to employees "from exposure to substances or agents determined to be toxic or physically harmful or from new hazards." It also has to show the emergency standard is "necessary to protect employees from such danger."
Given the percentage of Covid cases that are asymptomatic I'm not sure the virus constitutes a "grave danger". Certainly there's a risk associated with it but does it really rise to "grave danger" when a simple slip in the bath tub, car accident, etc. will kill you just as dead?
Heck, for all we know the majority of the population has already had covid. It isn't like most folks get tested for covid ever much less after every bout with the sniffles or antibody checks to see whether it was covid, the cold, or allergies you had two months ago.
today's NYTs
Germany’s Fourth Covid Wave: ‘A Pandemic of the Unvaccinated’
Germany once set an example for how to manage the coronavirus. Now, deep pockets of vaccine resistance are helping drive daily infections to new heights.
"BERLIN — The University Hospital of Giessen, one of Germany’s foremost clinics for pulmonary disease, is at capacity. The number of Covid-19 patients has tripled in recent weeks. Nearly half of them are on ventilators.
And every single one is unvaccinated.
“I ask every patient: Why didn’t you get vaccinated?” said Dr. Susanne Herold, head of infectious diseases, after her daily round on the ward on Thursday. “It’s a mix of people who distrust the vaccine, distrust the state and are often difficult to reach by public information campaigns.”
Patients like hers are the main drivers of a fourth wave of Covid-19 cases in Germany that has produced tens of thousands of new daily infections — more than the country has had at any point in the pandemic...."
Nice. Now compare highly-vaccinated, high-case Germany to low-vaccination, low-case Algeria.
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/germany?country=DEU~DZA
Cherry-picking is great schtuff! Honk honk!
Spiff, nice deflection, but as in the US recently, those filling and dying in the ICUs are unvaccinated. Surely you don't need a road map to figure this out, do you?
PS Like much of Africa, Algieri's population is very young, a large factor determining death rates.
Nice captain idiot Joe Friday has made an appearance, Hooray for back alley "the science" wisdom!
today's Guardian:
"Austria is set to place millions of people not fully vaccinated against Covid-19 in lockdown in a matter of days as infections soar to record highs and intensive care units face an increasing strain.
The country’s worst-affected province of Upper Austria plans to introduce a lockdown for the unvaccinated from Monday next week following recommendations from medical experts.
Europe is once again “at the epicentre” of the pandemic with Covid cases at or surpassing record levels due to uneven vaccine coverage and a relaxation of preventive measures, the World Health Organization said last week, adding that 500,000 more deaths are forecast in the region by February.
Austria has the lowest vaccination rate of any western European country apart from Liechtenstein, according to data from the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control.
Those who are not vaccinated will have restrictions placed on their daily movements, including bans from restaurants, hotels, hairdressing salons and large public events.
The region will be the first to move into level five of Austria’s five-stage incremental government plan agreed in September that stipulates once 30% of intensive-care beds are occupied by Covid-19 patients, people not vaccinated against the coronavirus will be placed under lockdown. The current level is 20% and rising fast.
The surge of Covid cases in Austria comes at a time when eastern European states, with the continent’s lowest vaccination rates, are experiencing some of the world’s highest daily death tolls per capita.
The number of new coronavirus infections in Austria has risen again to a record high, with 11,975 cases recorded within 24 hours, according to authorities.
The seven-day incidence per 100,000 inhabitants climbed to 751, three times the figure in neighbouring Germany.The surge of Covid cases in Austria comes at a time when eastern European states, with the continent’s lowest vaccination rates, are experiencing some of the world’s highest daily death tolls per capita.
The number of new coronavirus infections in Austria has risen again to a record high, with 11,975 cases recorded within 24 hours, according to authorities.
The seven-day incidence per 100,000 inhabitants climbed to 751, three times the figure in neighbouring Germany.
Yep, we can all find the particular data we are looking for. Watch this: https://twitter.com/USMortality/status/1446896934736781321?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1446896934736781321%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theblaze.com%2Fop-ed%2Fhorowitz-the-data-is-in-and-we-are-now-worse-off-than-before-the-experimental-shots
Are we having fun yet?
Spiff, the chart is "all cause mortality", not Covid specific. This only demonstrates countries may have higher mortality rates apart from Covid, not that vaccinations are ineffective.
Read the small print next time.
The Delta variant is driving up Covid-19 hospitalizations in the US’ mountain west, in a worrisome sign of what could be ahead this winter across the country.
Colorado on Wednesday reactivated crisis guidelines for staffing at healthcare systems across the state as Covid hospitalizations and infections in the state continue to rise.
More than a third of hospitals reporting to the state said they expected a shortage of intensive care beds in the next week, and nearly two in five said they would be short-staffed, the Denver Post reported.
Roughly 1,431 Covid-19 patients are hospitalized, and state epidemiologist Dr Rachel Herlihy said Wednesday the state could hit 2,258 Covid-19 hospitalizations by 1 January, a record high for the pandemic. Of the more than 1,400 people hospitalized, with a confirmed case of Covid-19, 80% were unvaccinated, according to the Post.
I would concede the "agent" or "new hazard" part. That's just splitting hairs.
I would go after the "grave danger" part. People under 65 who are healthy enough to work are in very little danger from COVID-19, especially now that so many people have natural immunity or have been vaccinated.
I would also go after the "protect employees" part. Mask mandates have shown little effectiveness at all. The vaccines are effective (initially at least) at reducing the severity of symptoms, but fade in effectiveness over time as new variants emerge.
Concede it while also pointing out that the flu, hepatitis, and AIDs are all hazards as well, so . . .
THEN point out that 80 percent of the people who died of C19 were over the age of 65, people who are no longer even in the workplace. Followed by the fact that it is impossible to know where anyone gets infected. Workplace or grocery store? Church or the neighborhood block party?
Cut the crap and get your shot and encourage others to do likewise. Unless you think our elderly are expendable and that those under 65 can't get it - they most certainly can with some deaths and possible life long infirmties affecting their heart, lungs, and brain (one study found 20% of those who had it show up at their docs months later with problems) - there is no excuse with the overwhelming and recent evidence for the US and now Europe that the problem is the unvaccinated.
Cut the crap, Joe, and stop forcing everyone to get a medical treatment against their will just to make you feel better. Those who are worried about getting covid and dying from it are perfectly free to get vaxxed and boost their way into eternity. I'm fine with that. Just leave me alone, leave my company alone, leave my employees alone.
Life is risk. Impossible to legislate ourselves out of that brutal reality.
Your accusation is ridiculous and you are willfully ignorant about how the virus spreads, and more importantly, the responsibility all of us have to help counter a severe threat to public health. This is nothing new as Washington required his troops to be treated for smallpox and the SC in 1905 upheld the right of states to mandate vaccines. You and you kids have been getting them ever since before enrolling in school, including in places like Texas and Georgia. Grow up and do your part.
Agreed renad. Joe whatever you are saying below just know that everyone thinks your an idiot. You post worthless conjecture and spout off about how sweet of a contractor you are.
Mt man those are facts for which you have no answer except insults that are false. Answer the facts
And why do you always refuse to address the basic issue at hand here? That those who are at risk or feel they are at risk from getting covid, dying from it, or languishing with long term side effects are perfectly free to get the vaccine to protect themselves? NO ONE IS STOPPING THEM. How on earth is my or anyone else's unvaxxed status a threat to them?
Read, this is elementary. At best covid vaccines are about 90% effective, just like other virus vaccines. Since those unvacvlinnated are more likely to spread the virus, as well as for being hosts for carrying and or developing new variants, they are increasing the risk for everyone. Those of us who have been vaccinated are doing our part in what should be a united effort at making Covid a rare disease. Those who think their "freedom" is more important don't know the difference between freedom and being selfish pricks risking their own and everybody else's health.
Joe, I'm in good faith trying to understand your position. Curious if info. like the below gives you pause or makes you reconsider your position, or even helps you understand why many individuals don't want the vaccine?
https://www.theepochtimes.com/pandemic-of-the-vaccinated_4084902.html
From the article:
"England, which has some of the best record-keeping, shows in finer detail the extent to which the pandemic now is of the vaccinated. As seen in Public Health England’s most recent COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report (pdf) covering the four weeks to Oct. 31, those vaccinated had much higher rates of infection than those unvaccinated. Those in their 40s, for example, who were vaccinated had infection rates that were twice as high—2,125 cases of COVID-19 per 100,000 vaccinated population if they had two doses compared to 933 per 100,000 among the unvaccinated. That better-than-2-to-1 ratio also held for those in their 50s, 60s, and 70s. Those in their 30s and over 80, too, had higher infection rates if they had been double dosed, but by less than 2-to-1."
ADL, please link to the study this article is supposedly based on. The Epoch Times is a newspaper run by a religious cult and while I tried to read the article it insisted I give them my email - not a chance.
Given that this quote makes no sense and is at complete odds with the reality reported elsewhere and experienced here in the US - check who has been dying and filling up your local ICU - and is from a disreputable source, it doesn't stand on it's own.
Joe, the quoted portion of the article references the source, which is data from Public Health England.
I provided a link to the Harvard study below that also shows higher infection rates in areas of higher vaccination rates.
Another example is Singapore, right now hitting pandemic highs in deaths, yet the population is 85 percent vaccinated.
This information is only at odds with the mainstream narrative that pushes vaccine propaganda at all costs.
Also, the results in England, Israel, Singapore, Ireland, Vermont, and many other places are to be expected given that immunity from the vaccines wane after a short period of time.
It doesn't matter what we do, covid will become endemic—it likely already is, except you neurotics keep hammering away at this ridiculous Zero Covid policy. The NYT did a story this morning on an epidemiologist who says it's time to get back to normal because we won't "beat" it.
And the unvaxxed do not spread the virus at any greater rate, with any greater viral load, than those who are vaccinated. A recent UC Davis study asserts this.
I get it. You're scared. You can't conceive of a world in which you might risk getting covid, even though you likely lived with zero worry during all previous flu seasons about whether or not that flu would send you into the hospital. You need a way to assuage your fears, to make order out of disorder, sense out of chaos. You need people to blame. You need control.
A Harvard study recently concluded that the higher the vaccination rate of a community, the higher the case rate. How do you explain that? Moreover, in many of these places, approx. half of hospitalizations and deaths were in the fully vaxxed.
The authorities admit that the immunity conferred through the vaccines wane quickly and that the vaxxed spread the disease too, as much or nearly as much as the unvaxxed.
Given that info, can you understand why many people don't want to take the vaccines?
ADL, link to the study please. Nothing you wrote above is in line with multiple studies and reporting of facts elsewhere.
Oh, and conversely, according to that Harvard study, some of the locales with the lowest vaccination rates had much lower case rates than the places with very high vaccination rates.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7
The article relies on comparing countries in the developed West, with excellent reporting and aging populations with those with almost no accurate reporting and very young populations in Africa. As to the source:
"Open access
Springer is a member of the Open Access Scholarly Publishers Association.[16] For some of its journals, Springer does not require its authors to transfer their copyrights, and allows them to decide whether their articles are published under an open-access licence or in the traditional restricted licence model.[17] While open-access publishing typically requires the author to pay a fee for copyright retention, this fee is sometimes covered by a third party. For example, a national institution in Poland allows authors to publish in open-access journals without incurring any personal cost but using public funds.[18]
Controversies
In 2014, it was revealed that sixteen papers in conference proceedings published by Springer had been computer-generated using SCIgen. Springer subsequently retracted all papers from these proceedings. IEEE had removed more than 100 fake papers from its conference proceedings.[19]
In 2015, Springer retracted 64 papers from 10 of its journals it had published after a fraudulent peer review process could be proven.[20]
Manipulation of bibliometrics
According to Goodhart's law and concerned academics like the signatories of the San Francisco Declaration on Research Assessment, commercial academic publishers benefit from manipulation of bibliometrics and scientometrics like the journal impact factor, which is often used as proxy of prestige and can influence revenues, including public subsidies in the form of subscriptions and free work from academics.[21]
Seven Springer Nature journals, which exhibited unusual levels of self-citation, had their journal impact factor of 2019 suspended from Journal Citation Reports in 2020, a sanction which hit 34 journals in total.[22]"
"The article relies on comparing countries in the developed West, with excellent reporting and aging populations with those with almost no accurate reporting and very young populations in Africa."
What? You obviously didn't read the study, again despite what you say, it is a Harvard Study.
The study is a cross country analysis, using data from 68 countries and over 2400 counties in the U.S.
ADL, the authors of the study are Geography and Business Professors at Harvard and Penn State. This analysis by a microbiologist takes apart your study:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/355427646_Confusing_interpretations_of_COVID-19_data_in_scientific_studies_encourage_anti-vax_movement_and_conspiracy_theories
Of course the results we saw with our own eyes as ICUs filled and people died at rates as bad in some red states as bad as last summer also disprove the contention of the study. I note you think that the world's scientific and medical community, which is soundly behind vaccines, is a conspiracy. Well, that would mean tens of thousands of scientists and doctors are on board with this conspiracy. It's up to you to tell us what would possibly motivate them.
PS Renad
The unvaccinatef are also screwing our economy. A high number of Americans are not going to restaurants etc while covid infections are high. In May, before the Delta variant hit the mostly unvaccinated Americans, the CDC and Biden announced lifting mask restrictions for the vaccinated except on close quarter with unknown others, but soon had to rescind that and deaths rise while the economy faltered.
IF YOU ARE VACCINATED YOU HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR. If you choose not to go to a restaurant, it's not because the unvaxxed are there. It's because you're a neurotic fear-monger.
Completely false Renad and I've explained why. All virus vaccines - including those for Covid are only about 90% effective, so by clear definition, being vaccinated does not assure you of not getting it. It does almost certainly mean you probably won't die or suffer terribly from it. The unvaccinated among us act as hosts for existing and new variants and help spread it. Given that as many as 1/3 of those who are unvaccinated who do get it don't develop anti bodies, this is not working toward herd immunity, or at least not in a sensible way.
Apparently, they actually say in the OSHA rule that unvaxxed people are at risk because vaccinated people can transmit the variant. Thus, mandates.
Of course vaccinated people can transmit the virus - the vaccinations, like all virus vaccines, are not perfect. The unvaccinated are much more likely to transmit the virus because they catch it more frequently.
"The unvaccinated are much more likely to transmit the virus because they catch it more frequently."
The hell does this mean? "Catching it more frequently" implies that the unvaccinated get covid over and over again. Which is simply untrue. There are very few instances of people catching covid more than once. So rare, it's not even a statistic, according to the CDC.
" And an "ingredient" is "something that enters into a compound or is a component part of any combination or mixture." It is, thus, not a virus."
Proteins and nucleic acids are very much biologically active compounds. A virus is nothing but a collection of those.
This claim it's not an agent is one of the more absurd things to come out of this whole pandemic. OSHA lacks the authority to regulation biological weapons like weaponized ebola or smallpox too under this absurd bad faith stretch. It's even more clear under OSHA's long-standing definition of the term.
But I guess when you have to argue against whether the sky is blue, bad faith arguments about how *that* blue isn't really "blue" is all you've got.
Vaccination doesn’t only benefit the vaccinated.
Transmissibility to others is also significantly reduced.
So go get vaccinated then... Who's stopping you!!!
Gov-Gun dictation doesn't only create a totalitarian regime.
Individual Freedom and Life itself is also significantly reduced.
As proven by endless rising totalitarian regime's killing millions in order to maintain their Gov-Gun power like a gang of criminals.
TJJ, we have had vaccine mandates since at least Washington and a 1905 SC ruling upheld their constitutionality. You apparently don't have the snowflake freedom to be a jerk you thought you had and need to adjust your thinning to that fact.
I don't give a SH*T what liberal SC (LIARS and scam artists) pumping endless B.S. has to say. Any 5-yr old can tell you there is NO authority given to federal for vaccine mandates. And we'll just gloss over the Executive vs Congress complete B.S. to top it off with.
'Jerk'? That pretty rich for someone pushing for Gov-Guns in everyone faces and demanding they "adjust their thinking".