Free Markets Are the Best and Fastest Way to Cut Greenhouse Gas Emissions
Top-down mandates will only slow down the energy transition.

Glasgow—The Freedom and Climate Symposium was convened on November 8 at Strathclyde University by the think tank the Conservative Coalition for Climate Solutions (C3 Solutions) as a concurrent event with the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change's 26th Conference of the Parties (COP26). The symposium brought together energy entrepreneurs, finance experts, free market climate policy wonks, and young conservative climate activists to discuss the role of free markets in addressing the problem of man-made climate change and managing the energy transition from fossil fuels. The solutions discussed at this meeting stood in stark contrast to the government-mandated, top-down policies being promoted by most participants at COP26.
For example, the symposium featured such proposals as the Clean Capitalism Leadership Council's Rod Richardson's clean tax cuts as a technology-agnostic way to speed up the financing of technologies that cut emissions of greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide released by burning fossil fuels. Meanwhile, venture capitalist and insurgent ExxonMobil board member Andy Karsner promoted the Climate Leadership Council's carbon fee and dividend plan, which would put a price on carbon dioxide emissions and rebate all of the revenues collected as annual dividends amounting to about $2,000 for a family of four.
Richardson argued that his proposal would lift constraints from entrepreneurs and investors whereas the carbon fee would impose burdens on consumers and businesses. Karsner countered that stable price signals were important to encourage investment and uptake of emissions reduction technologies. Some participants wondered if clean tax cuts would really incentivize clean energy investments, since at current interest rates the price of capital is already pretty low. Others worried about public reaction when carbon emissions started to fall and dividend checks began to dwindle.
Markets are already playing a clear role in cleaning up the environment. And, generally speaking, the more free market a country is, the cleaner its environment is. A freer market also means that a country's carbon emissions are already falling. C3 Solutions' Director of Public Policy Nick Loris made this clear in his report, "Free Economies are Clean Economies."
Loris used data from the Heritage Foundation's Index of Economic Freedom that ranks 180 countries on a 100-point scale evaluating measures such as how well they protect property rights, government size, regulatory efficiency, and openness of their markets. Based on these calculations, the Index labels countries as repressed, mostly unfree, moderately free, mostly free, and free. Loris then compared these economic freedom rankings with Yale University's Environmental Performance Index, which ranks 180 countries on a 100-point scale, judging their performance with respect to air and water pollution, biodiversity, agriculture, and climate change.
Loris found that the correlation between economic freedom and cleaner natural environments is robust.

The U.S. is 20th in the freedom rankings and is ranked 24th on the environmental performance index. China, by contrast, stands at 107th in the freedom index and 120th on the environmental performance scale.
Loris argued that the correlation between freedom and environmental quality confirms the notion of the environmental Kuznets curve (EKC), a concept that says that the natural environment initially deteriorates as industrial development takes off but begins to improve as incomes increase and now wealthier people demand cleaner water, clearer air, and environmental amenities like parks. Although there is still considerable debate over whether an EKC for carbon dioxide emissions exists, Loris cited a recent study by University of Aarhus researcher Christian Bjørnskov analyzing the income and emissions trends in 155 countries since 1975. Bjørnskov found that carbon dioxide emissions begin to decline in a country when average income reaches around $52,000 per person. In addition, he found that emissions of greenhouse gases in general start decreasing from a GDP level of approximately $25,000.
Consequently, Bjørnskov found that rich, economically free democracies such as Australia, Canada, the U.S., and much of Northern Europe have likely already passed the turning point of the carbon dioxide Kuznets curve. It is worth noting that U.S. carbon dioxide emissions peaked in 2007 when per capita income reached about $48,000.
"Environmental Kuznets Curves are typically situated to the left in economically free societies, indicating earlier adoption of clean technology and faster transition towards a low-emissions society," concluded Bjørnskov. "Conversely, although many of them proclaim a better environment as a central political aim, interventionist governments are likely to achieve the opposite."
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I agree fully. Neoliberal economic policies are the best method of reducing birth rates and preventing an increase in our nation's carbon footprint. This might negatively affect businesses by forcing an increase in salaries for those in the dwindling labor force but we can work around that issue by importing millions of Africans to make up for the shortfall in laborers. Yes, the solution once again to all our economic woes is an open border policy that invites every sub-Saharan African with only elementary school level education into America.
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Doesn’t matter. There is zero need to cut greenhouse gas emissions. The only reason this bullshit ever gained traction is as a delivery system for authoritarian Marxism. There is no reason to spend any money on this.
If we are going to spend more money on an environmental cause then it should be for cleaning our water and increasing our water use efficiency. Having enough clean water will be the real concern of the future.
Conspiracy trippers have their finger on the pulse as usual. Cue the maniacal cackling of Joseph Fourier who first kicked off this multi-century program in authoritarian Marxism in 1827.
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Eliminating climate conferences and mass climate rallies will also reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
To reduce methane emissions, I propose a butt plug for Joe Biden and my hard cock for AOC.
A fine example of "I wouldn't fuck her with your dick"
Plugs all around.
Individually-wrapped, of course. No sharing!
Free Markets Are the Best and Fastest Way to Cut Greenhouse Gas Emissions
Top-down mandates will only slow down the energy transition.
Free Market Capitalism is great for producing and selling baking soda, Pepto-Bismol, Mylanta, and other anti-gas agents.
Now, what the "Top" demands has nothing to do with the "Bottom's" flatulence.
And of course we know that centrally planned and mandated cuts in carbon emissions are the best way to deal with the problem, assuming it is indeed a problem given that for the vast majority of Earth's history CO2 levels have been much higher than they are now and we are in fact near a dangerously low point for CO2 levels. It would be silly to think making a profitable business out of extracting carbon directly from the atmosphere for industrial uses might be a solution to the problem.
"And of course we know that centrally planned and mandated cuts in carbon emissions are the best way to deal with the problem,"
Maybe the best and only way. If you look at the proposed solutions they are uniformly socialistic in nature.
" the vast majority of Earth's history CO2 levels have been much higher than they are now"
Earth's history goes back some 4 billion years, if memory serves, and humans have been around for only a small fraction of that. And human civilization only came about some 5000 years ago during a period when atmospheric CO2 was 'dangerously low.'
"It would be silly to think making a profitable business out of extracting carbon directly from the atmosphere for industrial uses might be a solution to the problem."
I agree. Companies like Exxon and Shell make plenty of profits in extraction of fossil fuels from the ground,
And human civilization only came about some 5000 years ago during a period when atmospheric CO2 was 'dangerously low.'
So?
Good question. Given that human civilization has flourished during the period when CO2 was dangerously low, and civilization was non-existent during the billions while CO2 was safely high, I think a certain skepticism regarding Jerryskids' assertions is warranted.
I've also heard that if you build a runway near your house, there's a real chance that cargo planes will start landing there and bringing you things.
So 20th century. Drones don't need runways, I've heard.
"vast majority of Earth's history CO2 levels have been much higher"
(1) CO2 levels haven't been close to this high in the history of homo sapiens. The spike against background levels for the past million years is dramatic.
(2) Natural shifts in CO2 concentration tend to happen over unimaginable stretches of time, tens of thousands of years. The more abrupt the shift the sharper the climate change and the sharper the impact to existing ecosystems including human civilization in the change.
"It would be silly to think making a profitable business out of extracting carbon directly from the atmosphere for industrial uses might be a solution to the problem"
Why is this silly to think? There are many initiatives of this sort.
The only thing silly would be thinking solutions like this are easy silver bullets. A century's worth of fossil fuel burning is not easy to reverse with a few carbon extraction plants.
Except the goal of environmentalists is to lower the standard of living for everyone on the planet.
The Khmer Rouge nearly achieved equality in the worker's paradise. Unfortunately, those revisionist Vietnamese wouldn't let them experience True Communism™.
One of the problems you have is that your "sarcasm" is usually so biased and pointless that no one can read this particular comment and have the slightest idea whether you meant it as sarcasm, or whataboutism, or indeed whether it has any meaning at all.
You need to pick a persona and stick with it.
I don't know if he's being honest or sarcastic, but he's definitely being factual.
Yes, but by accident, or does he think it's not factual but is sarcastic?
Watermelons dude. Green on the outside, red in the middle.
Or Moldy Beefsteak Nazis. Green on the outside, then brown beneath that, followed by a red center. (I thought you might like that. 😉 )
>>Except the goal of environmentalists is to lower the standard of living for everyone on the planet.
excepting of course the environmentalists.
True.
The authoritarian central planners always intend to be among the authorities making the plans, otherwise they wouldn't push for authoritarian central planning.
Today's example of casual and persuasive circular / straw man reasoning.
I often find that contrarian culture is really just a rebellion against traditional reason, a championing of the return of the classic fallacies and an angry assertion that the only motivation rationalists could have had in identifying and banning them is Marxism.
Enjoy the clear air outside today. Consider a comparison trip to Beijing.
I'll buy your sequestered carbon if you buy mine. We'll both get rich!
Isn't that like frottage, only with more complex amino acids attached to the Carbon? We'll certainly both have a rich coating afterwards.
Frottage, the free market fetish.
The product of very visible hands! 😉
That's not what the High Priests say.
We've taken care of everything
The words you hear, the songs you sing
The pictures that give pleasure to your eyes
It's one for all, all for one
We work together, common sons
Never need to wonder how or why
- Peart
Anyone at the UN got a functioning brain? Look at that picture and tell me you don't see
UNCLIMATE CHANGE
And then tell me you cannot unsee it.
Although now I realize this particular conference is not a UN conference. Some different bozos did this, but considering they did it in homage to the UN-manufactured (or at least sponsored) fake climatastrophy, I won't cut them any slack.
You know who else had a partnership with Italy?
Sean "P-Diddy" Combs? "Italian music wit'cha cgick clinging..."?
20th century right-wing fascists obsessed with power, "warrior culture", jews and communism?
Soooo...Are they implying that we should put the excess Carbon in 7-UP, The UN-Cola (TM)?
https://youtu.be/AXmc7DG4uu8
Bailey you incorrectly assume that climate activists wand a cleaner environment. They do not, they want global socialism with themselves as the party in power. Don't attribute to ignorance what is easily explained by 30 years of malice, and revealed preference.
30 years?!?! You younguns have no sense of history. Karl Marx was born over 200 years ago, and he was by no means the first socialist.
When Adam delved and Eve span,
Who then was the Gentleman?
The Serpent?
He is a man of wealth and taste.
I was referring to the socialists that claim it for the environment, granted that may have been 40 years ago. The ones the founder of green peace told to fuck off because they don't care about the enviroment
+1
Ah, but Karl Marx made no claims to supporting a cleaner environment and, by all accounts, was a slob.
Yeah, I heard he was a big leaf and never bathed. Which is a great combination.
Sure they do. You say so, so it's true.
The easy proof is that no rational person could want to promote net global economic efficiency or preserve things like the world's coral reefs.
If there is one thing we know, it is that Fourier in 1827 wasn't some abstract physicist's interest in earth's relationship with the flow of solar energy as the communists teach. It was straight up global socialism he had in mind, hand in hand with fluoridation. A corruption of our very precious bodily fluids you might say. Write it off as paranoia if you like, but they are behind absolutely everything that has happened for at least 500 years and are behind everything you see certainly including this pandemic.
Yet the Biden administration thinks it is to increase fuel prices until they become to high to use. Yes, people burning wood, dried cow dung and coal should help reduce carbon. People using horses and oxen for transportation should help reduce carbon. Bide's pile dream ways to fuel the nation are a long, long way off.
Great policy Joe!
Pile dream or pipe dream? Yes?
There is potential for free market solutions for Climate Change, but too little support. Progressive want government controlled solutions and the far Right want to stick their heads in the sand. Problem is that the as conditions deteriorate solution will need to be more drastic and Progressives will win the argument.
The free market ideas need some real advocates and that means the middle. Center left and center right need to work together.
You forget: Left + Right = Zero
Hi, Hihn!
There is potential for free market solutions for Climate Change, but too little support.
Luckily, the inability of our government to "get things done" means that despite their disdain for free market solutions, the free market in the USA has caused the USA to lead the world in reducing carbon emissions.
It would be great if this was true, but unfortunately the USA is at the top of per capita emissions. Coming down off of absurd global peaks of polluting is not a victory lap, from any kind of rational point of view. (I'm well aware rational points of view are radically unwelcome these days for the most part; forgive me my bouts of traditionalism.)
What conditions are you expecting to deteriorate?
Continuing acceleration of global coral reef collapse (escalating bouts of mass bleaching death now the dominant reason), pattern of general impact to ecosystems globally from geologically rapid shifts, aridity-fueled super-charging of drought/fire/flood patterns, higher intensity/moisture in tropical storms for coastal flooding and damage, growing economic impact of sea level rise, continuing increases in populating regions hitting heatwaves that make them unlivable driving migration and political conflict, signs of shifts in ocean currents which can accelerate local climate shifts/impact, other tipping points with hydrates etc. etc.
Remember that day the Sheeple were duped into believing they lived in a "Greenhouse"??????????
Good Grief humanity is becoming retarded.
Remember the days when the internet was flooded with politicized science denial commentary, spend around the globe at lightspeed on fiber optic cables?
Me too. Those were the days.
"was flooded with politicized"
you misspelled 'propaganda'
And we know the difference BECAUSE of OBVIOUS REALITY...
In the 1980s they said 30-years in the 1990s they said 30-years, etc, etc,etc... How Stupid can people be.
...So F-EN retarded they're still perching their B.S. even after last year made RECORD-SETTING LOW TEMPERATURES.
OMG the sky is falling, the sky is falling... Freak-en retards need to get a life.
Except according to measurements.
2020 was the 2nd warmest year globally in the instrumented era, and so likely the 2nd warmest year on earth in hundreds of thousands of years.
http://berkeleyearth.org/global-temperature-report-for-2020/
Probably the main confusion is that science folks use reason and empiricism, so measurement is more important than feelings.
My dear ret...rospectively inclined partisan.
LMAO... Holy Shit... From 1880 to 2021 the "Average" Cherry-Picked Temperature raised 0.9-degrees Fahrenheit...
Call in the bomb squad; Spend $555B a year to "Change" the weather an average of 6/1000ths (That's right Folks 1/200th of a degree) per year!!!!! It's an EMERGENCY!!!
To pretend temperature readings could even be that accurate is a LIE within itself; pretending outside cherry-picking especially with the STEALING about it going on is yet another LIE.
But lets just *pretend* all those LIES away how G.D. retarded do people have to be to spend $555B to change 1/200th of a degree per year????
And do please explain how average temperatures plummeted during WWII while more fossil fuels were being burned up in dirty plane engines than ever before or after?
"please explain how average temperatures plummeted during WWII while more fossil fuels were being burned up in dirty plane engines than ever before or after"
"Plummeted" is a little dramatic.
Humans have been driving two major influences on global energy budget, one of which has a dominant cooling effect. Feel free to crack books and get into the physics, measurements etc., you might find it more interesting than you think.
Here is a summary of best NASA modeling
http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-whats-warming-the-world/
So your answer is you have no idea except to call it 'dramatic'.
Check.
That's a link to an easy walkthrough explanation.
No; It was just more propaganda..... Didn't bring up WWII at all.
Nor did it bring up that the earth was in an ice-age before the industrial revolution ever sprouted. The earths been warming LONG, LONG, LONG before emissions ever existed.
Keep spitting-out that "faith" propaganda though.... Whereas churches have to ask for donations the church of the "end of the world" gets to STEAL it.
"From 1880 to 2021 the "Average" Cherry-Picked Temperature raised 0.9-degrees Fahrenheit"
More like two degrees F.
This is one of those "horizon looks flat" kind of things. You are thinking 2 degrees isn't a big deal, but at global scale it is an immense amount of energy to heat oceans to that degree. For coral immersed in the water it is enough to kill them off in escalating bouts of mass bleaching.
Consider that the difference between a northern hemisphere in ice age buried in blocks of ice a mile thick and today's world is only a difference of around 8 degrees F in global average temp. It took something like 10,000 years for the earth to naturally cool the amount it has now rapidly warmed in under a century with our greenhouse cooking.
"pretend temperature readings could even be that accurate"
Do you think averages of thousands of temperature readings are random? That some years all the thermometers happen to read warm and some years cold? The odds of the physics of measurement devices swinging in unison like that is actually much smaller than you are imagining.
There are various elements of foundational knowledge about statistics etc. that contribute to this sort of conversation.
"Spend $555B a year to "Change" the weather"
This is not the economic conversation either.
Believe what you want; but if you can't get 2/3rds Congress and State Ratification take your Nazi-*ss and just F-OFF of the federal government lobbying!
"believe what you want"
Per above – reason-based approaches by design are less "belief" oriented. I will return this comment to you, given your views seem belief-driven.
"if you can't get 2/3rds Congress..."
The EPA already exists to regulate pollution, for example. There is no example anywhere in the world of pollution being reduced by any mechanism other than some form of law, intervention or regulation.
As I said, step outside and enjoy your clean air. Consider a trip to Beijing to see if this "freedom to pollute" you claim should exist really is better.
"your Nazi-*ss"
Comparing pollution regulation (protecting people from having the impact of other people's pollution dumped on them) to Nazis is really quite up there in terms of shrill hysteria and Godwin's law, even by outrage internet standards.
Is it at scientific conferences that people wear "Camp Auschwitz" t-shirts, or at grievance and rage-fueled rightist marches on the Capitol? Ah, right. Eyeroll.
Maybe those Enlightenment-inspired founding fathers all had Camp Auschwitz t-shirts and the painters just never captured it.
Nothing is less surprising the leftards preaching their religion with maximum ignorance and with no-end in sight and with no basic foundation of reasoning. They LOVE those Gov-Guns and Gov-Gods.
P.S. The EPA is UN-Constitutional; but like most leftards you probably have no idea what the Constitution is or says even though it is the very DEFINITION of the USA... Because Democratic-Nazism is your pick of a nation. And nothing pegs that harder than leftards desire to WORSHIP their Gov-Gods by doing the rain-dance of THEFT.
Yes, by "politicized science denial commentary" I meant "propaganda". But no, I didn't misspell it.
"And we know the difference BECAUSE of OBVIOUS REALITY"
Oh I'm sure. You and fellows in the 4chan flat earth forum, who use *their own eyes* to notice a *FLAT HORIZON* and the *ANGLES OF CREPUSCULAR RAYS* to know the difference between the propaganda pushed in the universities and OBVIOUS REALITY.
"In the 1980s they said 30-years in the 1990s they said 30-years, etc, etc,etc... How Stupid can people be"
30 years to what?
The answer, unfortunately, is that people can be fairly stupid. At least in the case of climate we can forgive folks for the topic is not particularly simple. However, I think it is fair to be less forgiving of the lack of a desire to even understand basic concepts and measurements before declaring oneself more intelligent than all of the world's national academies of science.
Let's face the facts ---- Instead of PROJECT...
The only one's playing the "falling off the edge of the earth" sci-fi is the O.C.D. climate change lobbyists.
The flat-earth propaganda was killed when OBVIOUS REALITY of traveling around the world happened. Call me when a SINGLE ONE of the "Climate Change" lobbies predictions materialize without changing by the moment. Oh yeah; That's RIGHT EVERY SINGLE ONE has been proven to never materialize AT-ALL.
Foaming repetition of tedious internet propaganda doesn't make it true.
Greenhouse warming has proceeded generally consistently with the projections from earliest IPCC reports. Read Hansen 1981 yourself. Sea level rise has been slightly faster than originally projected, but models of ice sheet dynamics have improved.
So you don't deny the B.S. has been proven wrong by reality.
CHECK again.
Seems your only logical counter-argument is to load up on more propaganda that denies REALITY.
Reading comprehension is not high here.
Putting REALITY in all caps doesn't turn foaming internet fantasies into reality.
Reality is independently measured.
You seem angry that scientists were able to do hard work and figure things out about thermodynamics and geophysics. You'd like people to listen to you instead because you don't wish to do hard work and repeat things you don't understand. Entitlement and resentment culture.
I can probably provide you with a digital participation research trophy of some kind if it would help make things feel more balanced.
Science is the reflection of REALITY...
Calling a compulsive failing predictions 'science' isn't even a religion it's downright LYING. Repeating a lie long enough it becomes held as true even in the face of defeat by obvious reality.
"Progressives will win the argument."
They've already won.
The high energy density and low cost of fossil fuels all but guarantee their continued pre-eminance in the energy sector under free market conditions. That could change with technological innovations like controlled fusion, but the enormously high costs and uncertain outcomes in R+D scare off any private sector free marketeers. Funding for fusion has always been from government or multigovernmental. ie socialistic. Or communist, progressive, collectivist or whatever you want to call it.
The high energy density and low cost of fossil fuels all but guarantee their continued pre-eminance in the energy sector under free market conditions.
But, I've been told time and time again that the only reason we use fossil fuels is because the government subsidizes them.
We use fossil fuels because of their high energy density and low cost, and the government subsidies make their use all the easier. You must know this. Why the pretense?
It was the American government rather than the private sector that built the interstate system, where Americans burn a good deal of fossil fuels.
Here's an appropriate link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iukUMRlaBBE
Kraftwerk are some of my favorite musicians, and Joseph Beuys (I like America and America likes me) is one of my favorite artists. Kraftwerk attended the music academy in Dusseldorf while Beuys taught at the art academy in the same city. One of his students, Emil Schult, wrote the lyrics for this song, and others, designed album covers, and contributed greatly to the band's distinctive visual style.
And since you were wondering, here's another link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzWjPCri8b4
I like how the coyote steals the show. I understand that conceptual art isn't everyone's cup of tea, but dig this: To own a piece of traditional art, you have to buy it. To own a piece of conceptual art, you only have to think it.
"We use fossil fuels because of their high energy density and low cost"
And because the full cost is not born by the person doing the burning – the pollution impact is invisible and largely unregulated over decades, expensive greenhouse impact levied against others.
Ignorance knows no boundaries......
"the government subsidies make their use all the easier."
As I've demonstrated at least 5-Times this is complete B.S.
"A freer market also means that a country's carbon emissions are already falling."
This is all pretty silly. And it continues to be silly for paragraph after paragraph. The EPA and the bureaucrats who enforce environmental regulation are not part of the free market. Neither is Tesla or the solar/wind/alternative crowd which are recipients of lavish government subsidies. Same with the politicians who make a career out of encouraging manufacturing to move emission intensive manufacturing off shore. Not free market.
The EPA and the bureaucrats who enforce environmental regulation are not part of the free market.
Are they the ones who drove us to start using more natural gas?
Neither is Tesla or the solar/wind/alternative crowd which are recipients of lavish government subsidies.
Wait . . . I thought it was the oil that was subsidized and that if we had a truly free market, economics would dictate that the vastly superior and more efficient wind and solar would take over.
Was that wrong?
Yes and yes.
quote:"technologies that cut emissions of greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide released by burning fossil fuels."
such technologies are a ridiculs waste nd antithetical to the stated goal of whatever they think they're trying to accomplish with their green nonsense.
CO2 is ESSENTIL for plant growth. From WHERE do they think the carbon element comes which enables plants to increase in size, produce fruit and seeds? Did all these clowns flunk fourth grade geography, or have they been bought off by the poohbahs pushing this insanity? Whatever happened to the Carbon Cycle we all (should have) learned in fourth grade?
Truth: there is not ONE more moolecule of carbon in and on the earth today than there was the day it was created (or in the strange views of some, happened to assemble itself out of nothing somehow). Not one.
ALL food, all life, contains carbon and when it comes out of one form it wanders about for a time and is made into another form. some of that carbon dioxide is exhaled by animals, then it is taken up by plants, made into "biomass" which rots on the ground, gets burned in stoves, falls into the ground and gets compressed, made into oil and/or coal, becomes food for toher creatures, is taken in by plants as CO2 and mde into plant tissue.. wood, seed, fruit, green leaves, etc. Most of the carbon dioxide on the lanet is dissolved in seawater, the largest sink of the gas anywhere. Depending on many factors, to oinclude temperature, depth, pressure, part of the surface of the eaarth, etc, the concentration varies. In the air, today, CO2 is about half what it was back when the dinasaurs roamted the earth. They needed TONNES of green stuff to eat, and the high CO2 made for a very lush and fecund planet. CO2 concenrtartion in the surface air was about ttwice what it is now. Oh and temperature at the sirface of the oceans is the leading factor for the amount of CO2 dissolved in the seawarer, not the other way round.
One question for these poohnahs: WHY do commercial controlled atmoshere food production greenhouses supplement the CO2 in the growing atmosohere, typicaly increasding it by half again or even twice what the outside air holds? YOU figure it out. WHY would suchgrowers incure the added expense of DOUBING the CO2 inside their grow houses? What benefit do you think they mught be after asa return on that cost? YOU put your thinking cp on and see if yuo can't figure out WHY they would do the very thing these greenies" claim is harmful to their own indoor growing environments?
"Whatever happened to the Carbon Cycle we all (should have) learned in fourth grade?"
We learned spelling instead. What's your excuse?
We learned spelling instead. What's your excuse?
Maybe he was learning all that stuff about climate science you ignored.
I was taught that climate science was a Chinese Hoax. What more do you need to know?
That maybe you need better sources?
I have some very fine sources. And the cups that go with them.
I liked moolecule, seawarer and sirface, and ttwice is pawsitively Joycean. James Joycean.
Free markets are agnostic to greenhouse gas emissions because greenhouse gas emissions are irrelevant to price and quality in affected industries. Not emitting greenhouse gases gets the generic person nothing. A San Francisco resident might get a sense of smug self-satisfaction, but that's a loss for society by any measure.
If, as the greens claim, renewable energy sources are now cheaper than fossil fuels, then a well-functioning market will speed renewables adoption, as compared to a command economy. But greens are economically illiterate liars, so don't hold your breath.
Where a free market would lead to "faster" adoption, disregarding technology for a moment, is in a market where consumers placed substantial value on greenhouse gas minimization. Which is very, very laughably not our world. Frankly, I think American tastes are being driven in the opposite direction by the repulsiveness of the environmental zealots. There certainly is a demand for green indulgences for blue state hipsters, but those indulgences are not in accord with or proportional to actual greenhouse gas emissions. Combined with everyone else responding to actual economic incentives and you have our current emissions irrelevance in aggregate consumer decisionmaking.
As to the junk policies actually being shopped in this piece, a carbon tax is not a free market. Cap and trade is not a free market. They are, or at least permit, markets, which do work better than Empress Greta simply imposing a cap. But the Supreme Soviet letting the plebs trade their spots in the bread line isn't a "market" to aspire to.
I should make an exception for the (subset of) pure-tax-cut proposals alluded to in this piece. Bear in mind, Democrats will never, ever vote for them (without commensurate tax increases elsewhere). And such a deal with the Dems is not worth taking, as these proposed tax cuts are very specific and market-distorting by design, instead of the sort of broad based tax cuts that maintain and enhance voter opposition to taxes in general.
Every green welfare queen driving her tax credit Tesla out of her tax credit solar-panel adorned garage to tax credit funded green energy lending job doesn't give a damn personally what the marginal tax rate is, and is thus a frictionless presumptive vote to raise it. We should avoid creating such people via tax policy, to the extent we don't want taxes raised by voters.
In a perfect world, this is what Bailey would have written instead for a Libertarian magazine. Well said, rreally.
including the usual sweeping disregard for basic economic context/reality that one would might fairly associate with cap-L Libertarian magazines...
"I should make an exception for the (subset of) pure-tax-cut proposals alluded to in this piece. "
You're being way too generous. The proposal may well make investment in alternative energy more attractive while making the tax code even more complex than it already is. I'll give you that much. But this is not going to stop or reverse the use of fossil fuels, where energy density, cost and established infrastructure make their continued use a no brainer.
"generally speaking, the more free market a country is, the cleaner its environment is"
This is certainly not true of greenhouse gas pollution. Seems like an attempt to conflate with sulfate pollution etc. and score points off China's horrible performance on those.
Sulfate pollution has much more local effects, leading to the "wealthier people demand cleaner water, clearer air, and environmental amenities like parks" effect. Of course, in practice to achieve those results for the wealthy nations it means the EPA and environmental regulation. The EPA CPP (scrapped by the last administration) was just following this playbook.
For greenhouse gases, the effect can be disproportionately away from the point of pollution, with high population concentrations in SE Asia at higher risk of heat extremes, though we certainly have our share of impact in aridity-fueled forest fire disasters and other impact.
There is no correlation of wealthy nations to doing better on greenhouse emissions. The fact that emissions peaked is not a positive result because the level they have peaked at is very high and continuing, e.g. 2x per capita average for American emissions vs. citizens in a less free state like China (the main variable there is just state of industrialization, not political structure of the society.)
The important discussion is at the top of the article – methods for blunting the negative externality problem artificially reducing the cost of burning fossil fuels and pushing that cost onto others causing irrational and catastrophic results (e.g. likely too late for tropical coral reef cover but not too late to slow/stop endless other areas of dangerous impact).
To eliminate Earths fertilizer and plants CO2 life-supply.... Blah, blah, blah... RU people trying to make the earth look like mars???
Watch out for that "Global Warming" or I mean "Climate/Weather Changes".... Warming that causes the Coldest Temperatures last year and next years Hot Temperatures will be caused by Global Cooling and well heck maybe it just CHANGES if these freak-en clowns had their heads any higher up their *ss they'd be a two-headed donkeys.
But so long as the Gov-Gods toting Gov-Guns can change the weather; I mean that's really the important part of the narrative....
"eliminate plants CO2 life-supply"
I think we have established you are not too familiar with any of this and not a science guy, so there isn't any hook for rational discussion available.
Your pedestal is melting! Nothing your ignorance can't ignore.
The problem is that free markets currently don't do a very good job of transitioning from legacy to new because of the way capital (and resource/fuel) costs are accounted for.
Currently, it appears that wind and solar are actually the CHEAPEST energy sources for a NEW plant. But it remains more profitable for 'free markets' to extend the lifetime of existing plants/emissions than to transition. And the current players ALWAYS expect a big cronyist subsidy to make the capital investment to transition so that any capital investment will increase energy expenditures rather than reduce them.
So much CHEAPER all the power bills are going DOWN! /s
Ignorance knows no boundaries.