Congress Finally Passed Biden's Inefficient, Deficit-Hiking Infrastructure Bill
It's one of the most expensive legislative packages in American history, but the $1.2 trillion bill will end up doing far less than it otherwise could have.

Finally, it actually was infrastructure week.
After a long day of back-and-forth negotiations between Democratic leaders and the caucus' sometimes fractious progressive wing, the House of Representatives voted Friday night to give final approval to President Joe Biden's $1.2 trillion infrastructure package. The final vote on the so-called "bipartisan infrastructure framework" lived up to its name, as 13 Republicans supported the bill while six progressive Democrats voted against it.
Progressives had been holding up the passage of the infrastructure bill in the House for months—it cleared the Senate in a similarly bipartisan fashion in August—in the hopes of using it as leverage to ensure the passage of a larger social spending package. That part of Biden's "Build Back Better" proposal began as a $3.5 trillion spending plan but has been trimmed and rewritten several times. Both bills were scheduled to receive a vote in the House on Friday, but moderate Democrats reportedly asked for a delay on the second bill to allow the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) to complete a full analysis of its spending and tax-increasing provisions. That review is expected to take about two weeks.
Regardless of the second bill's ultimate fate, the passage of the infrastructure bill is a political win for Biden. It took longer than he probably would have liked, but the final package is more or less what Biden outlined in March: a major bipartisan agreement to spend a huge sum of money on everything from roads and bridges to public transit and broadband internet. "Tonight, we took a monumental step forward as a nation," Biden said in a statement after the bill passed.
But the infrastructure bill is also a missed opportunity. One that reflects so much of what is wrong with policy making in Washington, where political expediency and budget gimmickry always seem to take precedence over ideas that would give taxpayers the most bang for their trillion bucks.
Start right at the top of the $1.2 trillion package. The CBO projects that the bill will add about $256 billion to the federal budget deficit over 10 years. Actually, that number is likely to be closer to $400 billion because the infrastructure package includes a number of dubious offsets, particularly in how it proposes to reallocate unused funds appropriated in various COVID-19 emergency spending bills.
The bill is also larded up with provisions that will make infrastructure projects more costly for taxpayers. That matters, of course, because if you inflate the cost of building a bridge and you have a fixed amount of money to spend on new bridges, you'll get fewer bridges.
For example, the bill's "Buy American" provision is nothing more than performative patriotism and a handout to politically powerful unions. By mandating that materials used in road, bridge, and rail projects come primarily from the United States, Congress will effectively hike prices and engage in arbitrary protectionism. Just ask the currently hobbled Washington, D.C., metro system how well those laws work.
The infrastructure bill could have been an opportunity to reform other federal rules that unnecessarily drive up the cost of building infrastructure. Like the Davis-Bacon Act, which requires that most workers on federally subsidized building projects are paid the local "prevailing wage" negotiated by unions even if the workers themselves are not unionized—and only about 13 percent of construction workers are part of a union. The Davis-Bacon Act rules can increase the costs of infrastructure projects by as much as 20 percent.
Similarly, the infrastructure package could have suspended or eliminated parts of the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) in order to streamline environmental reviews of infrastructure projects. Currently, NEPA reviews take more than four years on average, and they are frequently used as tools to block development for reasons that often have little to do with the environment.
President Donald Trump had implemented some minor NEPA reforms before leaving office, but the Biden administration has already undone them. "Biden's proposed NEPA changes only ensure that more federal money will be spent on red tape," Reason's Christian Britschgi explained last month.
While inflating the cost of actual infrastructure projects, the bill also promises to waste federal tax dollars on boondoggles like rural broadband internet. To justify $42 billion in subsidies for building out unnecessary fiber-optic lines, the bill cleverly changes the definition of "broadband" to make it look like fewer American homes have access to high-speed internet. Other provisions in the proposal virtually guarantee that those subsidies flow to publicly owned networks rather than private ones. This seems to fulfill an ideological goal—making internet access more like a public utility rather than a private service is what many advocates of broadband spending seek—rather than a practical one.
The $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill now sitting on Biden's desk is one of the most expensive legislative packages in American history. But even though $1.2 trillion is an almost unfathomable amount of money, that spending will end up doing far less than it otherwise could have.
Friday's harried negotiations over the infrastructure bill were, in the words of progressive Rep. Mark Pocan (D–Wis.), "a clusterfuck." The same could be said about much of the final version of the bill too.
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By mandating that materials used in road, bridge, and rail projects come primarily from the United States, Congress will effectively hike prices and engage in arbitrary protectionism.
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Oh, and fuck you, cut spending.
Ideas!
Good thing be got the guy out who vetoed one of these bills.
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Your first impulse was to blame trump?
His *only* impulse is to be a TDS-addled steaming pile of lefty shit.
Got a flat tire and I blamed Trump. Made me feel better about myself.
Spare me the tiring details. Whee'l need something better.
That sorta fell flat...
Nope, no good. Already been used.
Then by all means let’s change the subject.
Don't make him tread back in.
He would have to make a radial path to get back.
You could ply him with milk and cookies.
Yeah that might pump him back up
He is a man for all seasons.
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"By mandating that materials used in road, bridge, and rail projects come primarily from the United States"
This is what I like to call covert fascism. The government demanding exactly how their suppliers acquire their resources. They may be hiding behind "we are the customer, so we get to set the terms of the contract", but we need to see this for what it really is. The government managing the activities of businesses.
"Buy Murkin" isn't fascism. It's patriotism. I mean nationalism. I mean, faith in country and state. I mean if tax dollars are being spent they better be employing my neighbors! I mean my tax dollars better not be going to some slant-eyed yellow person! Fuck China! Buy Murkin!
Ok, maybe I'm wrong about it not being fascism.
Is this where you pretend China is a pure soul free market actor just to own conservatives?
He also thinks a giant government spending boondoggle where shit is purchased domestically is EXACTLY THE SAME as private citizens making purchases sourced domestically.
Telling companies what they must force customers to do is just fine though. Is he anything but a bad joke these days?
That’s a nice reducto ad absurdum.
You know who else has his own Reductio Ad…..? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum
China. Fatal pipe explosion in a factory.
Chinese factory shipped pipe to TX where it was fraudulently marked made in us. A piece exploded bc it was sub -standard quality and it killed a worker.
Try some intelligence in a commment instead of just hate
It’s all he has.
It really is. As a Reason staff member, he can't seem to help himself.
We manage construction projects. The AIS/Buy American requirements add costs. Both in materials and overall due to the delays in waiting for stuff. And some stuff just is not available. There is a waiver process, which requires resources to complete, de minimus or just switching to a domestic product that isn’t as good.
It really does add another layer of cost and uncertainty to government projects. I have supplied a few orders to the federal government, and I had always operated under the belief that they are a customer, and they have a right to dictate the terms of the contract. Even if they wanted something completely absurd.
I completely changed my mind on this when the vaccine requirement for federal contractors came out. There seems to be little to no chance that a legal challenge to this would succeed. I then realized that the feds could really add any stipulation they want to the contract, and they all of a sudden have a legal way to control our lives. I stopped seeing it as a supplier/customer relationship and now see it as a government/citizen relationship.
As the federal government becomes a larger part of the economy, they now have more control over more people through these contracts. With seemingly no real way to legally fight these contract requirements, I now see this as one of the largest threats to freedom.
That's how they do it. With companies and states it's "Do this or no money" when they can't constitutionally mandate something. New Hampshire held out for a long time on seatbelts. They eventually gave up.
Exactly. It looks like free will on the surface. It is not until you start pulling back the layers that you see what is really going on.
It is not just products but also regulations. Bill Clinton withheld a portion of highway funds until a state lowered the limit on blood alcohol to .08. So, they strong arm states also.
That's what I said when I said seatbelts.
This is exactly what they’re trying to do with the vaccine mandates.
Sarcasmic started trolling and shitposting from the very start I see. This will be a fun thread.
Let's make it sporting. Who wants to bet that sarcasmic won't post another enemies list this afternoon?
Great odds...
It is only ideas!!!
i cant see the ahole. blocked.
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He's my favorite lolcow. I'm never blocking his drunken ass.
A trumpeting Trumpista got me on mute. Good riddance.
Several steaming piles of lefty shit have me muted, steaming pile of lefty shit.
Is Sarcasmic really Michael Hihn…….. Jr.?
The apprentice. There are always two.
Put the barrel to your temple and pull the trigger.
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But they wont because, well, lets go brandon.
Dumbasses.
Should The Government Stop Dumping Money Into A Giant Hole?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oc7C2KTCTA
Government is a hole.
...and I know which one!
A hole? Oh, I get it
relax. its not money. its computercredits.
Forbes 2011 Nov. expose' on " its digital credits, not money."
The Denver F.R. Chair said back about 2010 that they didnt claw it back, thered be a disaster. IOW if it got monetized...
Thats happening now.
Were AT 1929. This is massive Depression era Govt WPA, CCC, TVA etc WELFARE SPENDING.
Bitcoin users unaffected.
Lol
lying is not a comment.
Bitcoin IS tied to world currency value.
.Regardless of your ignorance and delusion. And denial
LOL of course it is. As the idiots continue to print more and more fiat, BTC continues to rise.
A year ago BTC was 15k. Today it's 62k. 400% in a year is beating inflation.
As long as the Biden economy keeps concentrating wealth at the very top with unprecedented efficiency, he and the Democratic Congress can spend $1.2 quadrillion for all I care.
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Sure it's not #BilliionairesForbidden?
Republicans LARPing as fiscal conservatives for voting to spend only 1.2 trillion in 3... 2... 1...
This kind of thinking would make more sense if the Democrats didn't control the House, the Senate, and the White House.
If the Republicans were in control of the House, Kevin McCarthy as Speaker, wouldn't have even brought it up for a vote.
When your party is in power it's the other party's fault. When your party has the White House but not Congress, it's the other party's fault. When your party has Congress but not the White House, it's the other party's fault. When your party has both, it's the previous administration's fault.
You literally jumped at blaming trumistas in your first fucking post. Dumbass.
He can't remember what he posted minutes earlier. He must be already half in the bag.
Or, like turd, he's simply a lefty ignoramus.
And when your party has neither, then obviously it's the other party's fault.
Ideas!
But what is the formula when you are a libertarian and have never had power?
You must plug your ears and scream "Bowf Sidez" until everyone just ignores you.
Compared to what?
Conservatives used to give a shit about economic liberty while being hostile to personal liberty (drug war rah rah go cops rah rah fuck gays rah rah) but since Dear Leader took them back down the road to protectionism and merchantilism, they don't have much in common with libertarians anymore. Progressives have always been control freaks. Even when they side with liberty they need power to do it. So yeah, they both suck. Balls.
In sarcs world a tax cut didnt happen and regulations didnt increase, and in many areas decreased, at the slowest rate in decades.
Spelling “both sides” as “bowf sidez” is a brilliant argument. No wonder you repeat it so often; it really devastates the “both sides” position commonly held by libertarians.
Certainly more intelligent than *anything* you've ever posted, asshole.
Fuck off and die.
"Bowf sidez" got White Mike puffing mad, didn't it.
What's that old adage about the devil hating to be mocked?
Mikey. Please explain how sarcasmics most are intelligent if you are concerned.
PICK A SIDE! YOU DIDN'T PICK A SIDE! THAT MEANS YOU PICKED DEMOCRATS!!!!
You did pick a side. You make sure in every article critical to dems that you rush in to yell at conservatives.
But you two clowns did pick the Democrats, drunky.
Maybe don’t be such a partisan dick and then try to hide behind “both siderism”?
Because you don’t get to lay shit like this at the feet of an entire party when 3/4 of them voted no.
And the 16% of the Dems that voted no, did so because it didn’t spend enough.
Since your party is never in power then it's obviously the fault of the two majors.
And if the Ls started going big tent and ended up having to compromise you would shift to claiming you dont support them either.
You only want to bitch.
Everyone who voted for this bill should be executed for treason.
Nah. Just require them to pay out of their own resources.
Suck that leftist dick, soy
You would think a baseline budget of 6 trillion dollars would already include enough spending to maintain our infrastructure. The baseline budget was under 4 trillion just a couple of years ago.
infrastructure is almost entirely at the STATE level.
Whats " federal infrastructure?"
Natl Parks.
So this welfare scam is actuallly necessary to keep States from going under?
Good point.
I was saying if they ARE going to spend money on infrastructure, why is it in a supplemental extra bill? The budget is huge enough already to cover it.
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"Federal infrastructure" most likely means "If you pass laws the federal government doesn't have the power to force upon you, we'll give you a bunch of money!"
Like 21 drinking age and seatbelts.
Fuck off and dies, asshole.
Like vaccine mandates?
The Interstate highway system was built by/for the feds. The states "own" them, but they have to keep up with all the federal bullshit in exchange for federal tax dollars.
"The final vote on the so-called "bipartisan infrastructure framework" lived up to its name, as 13 Republicans supported the bill while six progressive Democrats voted against it."
----Eric Boehm
200 out of 213 House Republicans voted against it--that's 94% of them voting against it.
For future reference, everybody, realize that when Eric Boehm says something is "bipartisan", he means 94% of Republicans are against it.
Is there some other reasonable way to interpret this? Looks to me like bothsideism run amok.
Only leftists say "both sides" because Republicans rah rah rah Democrats EVIL!!!!11!one!!!!1!
Isn't that true? Ken pegs this dead-on...
If you want to say 'bipartisan' use the Cares Act. This bill - its just not really like that.
A majority of Republicans in the Senate voted for TARP. A majority of Republicans in the House voted against TARP. TARP might be properly considered bipartisan to some extent because it a majority of Republicans voted for it in the Senate. When a majority of Republicans in both the House and the Senate votes against something, and the Democrats passes it over the majority of Republicans' objections, calling it "bipartisan" is misleading at best.
It's very important for the bothsideism narrative to believe that there isn't any difference between the parties, but, at the very least, the fact is that 94% of Republicans in the House voted against the infrastructure bill, and Kevin McCarthy, the Republicans' leader in the House, voted against it himself. It wouldn't have been brought it up for a vote at all if the Republicans had control of the House.
And if the bill wouldn't even have been brought up for a vote in the House if the Republicans were in charge, and the Democrats passed it in the House, over the no-votes of 94% of the the Republicans, then there is a real difference between the Democrats and Republicans here. If the Republicans had control of the House, this bill simply wouldn't have been passed . . . and yet we're using the word "bipartisan" to describe it?
It's bothsideism. That's all it is. We need to use our critical thinking bone when we read this shit.
Saec honestly doesn't care. He only cares he can scream at conservatives at this point. He can't blame the democrats at all even in this thread.
sarc is not capable of processing concepts like that; sarc is a drunken retard.
There's nothing bipartisan about this bill. There's no formula where that could pass the smell test. Ken is right. This is a classic case of "if you repeat it enough, then that's what it will be known as".
Ken would oppose eating if Democrats wanted dinner. There's nothing rational about anything he says anymore.
Ideas!
Always ideas. Never personal attacks.
Look at sarc thread shit all over to protect blame going to the democrats. But he isnt a lefty folks!
Nah, totally bowf sidez.
It's homeopathic bipartisanship; It's just exactly the tiny fraction of Republicans who voted for it that made it so powerfully bipartisan.
Essence of bipartisanship, just one drop per Republican gallon needed.
Did Democrats say they're hungry?
Dinner is a communist plot! Look over there! Bernie Sanders is a socialist and he's having a sandwich! Sandwiches are socialist!
Did you eat a sandwich? You're a communist!
Are those Lay's chips? I know a Republican who likes Lay's. It's ok. We won't shoot you.
Lol, methinks the maiden doth protest too much... and is also more than a little drunk.
How sarc can convert "essence of bipartisanship" to "Dinner is a communist plot" I'll never figure out, but I guess that's probably Captain Morgan talking.
Tomorrow sarcasmic will tell us that darn Tulpa stole his handle again.
What the fuck does that little rant have to do with the fact that 94% of House Republicans and 74% of Senate Republicans voted no on this bill?
Not so fast! Is he a real Republican or a RINO?
Better ask Trump. He decides who is a real Republican or not.
Butthurt Alert!
Damn, sarc DID get super shitfaced last night.
P.S.
"Progressives had been holding up the passage of the infrastructure bill in the House for months—it cleared the Senate in a similarly bipartisan fashion in August"
----Eric Boehm
It was in similar "bipartisan" fashion--if by "bipartisan", you mean that a majority of Republicans voted against it.
That's what "bipartisan" means, doesn't it--that the majority of Republicans voted against it in both the House and the Senate, and the Democrats passed it over the objections?
If everything is "bipartisan" unless the Republicans unanimously vote against it in both the House and the Senate, then the word "bipartisan" means nothing.
This is bothsideism run amok.
It's Trumps fault Democrats broke the nation again. Just ask the 'bothsideism' crowd. Those 13-Republicans were Trumpists... /s
Ironically; I'd place bets those 13 weren't Trump supports at all.
"Buy-Partisan" is the correct spelling.
^Brilliant +1000
Kizinger is head trumpist obviously.
Um, it's BowfSidezism.
Congratulations, Ken: you've successfully parsed the definition of "bipartisan", and understand how the author used it in a sentence!
Remind your nurse to give you an extra serving of lime jello.
Ken,
What level of support from both parties would you consider to be bipartisan?
bi·par·ti·san
/bīˈpärdəzən/
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adjective
involving the agreement or cooperation of two political parties that usually oppose each other's policies.
"the reforms received considerable bipartisan approval"
I have never really given too much thought to the word until now so I am curious to see how different people view the word.
The definition I found is: "Of, consisting of, or supported by members of two parties, especially two major political parties."
That could really mean all the way down to the support of two members of an opposing party. I don't necessarily think that captures the true meaning of the word. For me, it would need more significant support from an opposing party. 50+% seems a high bar, but I don't have an exact number in mind.
As far as I'm concerned, both parties are evil. They differ in degrees of evil, and in what they are particularly evil about.
Bipartisan means the two evils agree on something.
Whenever that happens it can't be good for us.
You admit they have different degrees of evil yet attack those who claim the dnc is more evil especially in their public policies. Weird.
In general, anything passed in a bipartisan fashion is bad news for the people. I generally do not track what party passed a particular piece of legislation. I more focus on tracking how my representatives are voting. Most likely they track pretty close to their party at large, but in a few cases they do break away, and I do note those exceptions.
As far as I'm concerned, you're a TDS-addled steaming pile of lefty shit/
A subset of a party does not mean the party as a noun voted yes. It makes no sense to use it that way.
Agreed. After thinking about it some more, it does infer each party would have passed it. So 50+% support from both.
That the definition Ken would like everyone to use. Not everyone uses the word that way. He needs to get over his anal reaction to the fuzziness of the English language.
Ken is the arbiter of everything. If you don't agree with him you're a troll.
No. You being you is what makes you a troll.
Sorry sarc. White Mike isn't going to kiss you no matter how much you harass Ken for him.
It is the only definition that makes sense dummy.
By your definition a party could have a member switch sides before a vote, vote yes, then switch back and declare bipartisan.
Your definition is moronic.
So what is your lower threshold of support of each party to consider something bipartisan?
Whichever helps the democrats narrative.
It's not about me. I don't control the definition of the word, bipartisan. I didn't coin it and I tend not to use it.
Other people use it in various ways -- that's the way English is, no matter how much Ken wants to control the definitions of English words.
Honestly Mike,
This right here is a great example of why I don’t like engaging with you. Ken was able to come out and have the spine to commit to an actual position and defend it. You drop in to shit on his position then can’t even commit to your own take on the word so we can have an honest discussion. We are not fighting for the worldwide accepted definition of the word. This is just a discussion to find the limits of what can be considered bipartisan.
"It's not about me. I don't control the definition of the word, bipartisan. I didn't coin it and I tend not to use it"
What an incredible weasel you are, Mike. You shit all over Ken for defining bipartisanship as a majority of both parties, but then when you're asked to provide a definition you give us this mealy mouthed garbage.
"This right here is a great example of why I don’t like engaging with you."
I really have no idea why anyone engages a willfully dishonest lefty pile of shit like Mike.
Like turd, you have to assume any post from him/her is dishonest or idiotic based on what s/he has posted since day one.
“We are not fighting for the worldwide accepted definition of the word.”
Ken is. He’s trying to say that only his definition of the word is the correct one, and Reason writers and others who don’t use the word the way he wants are wrong.
It’s not a word I ever use. I don’t have any particular definition.
"It’s not a word I ever use. I don’t have any particular definition"
So why the hell do you care so much about correcting Ken over a word you don't even have a definition for yourself? I think I know, I think that you're just harassing him.
You know why he cares ML.
"So why the hell do you care so much about correcting Ken over a word you don't even have a definition for yourself?"
For the benefit of the thread-watchers: The reason this is important is that Mike's MO is to parachute into conversations and shake them up with a bunch of "I'm totally unbiased, and that is why my condemnation of your right-of-center-viewpoint is so poignant".
I'd actually disagree with Ken's viewpoint. But I've sat here waiting for Mike to offer his own. I did this because I thought maybe he had learned a bit and was settling on discussing issues instead of trolling.
But we can tell he is trolling, because he won't actually take a discussable position. *shrug*
Now THIS is a classic Dee thread!
It's how the word is typically used if it's a Republican bill: It's only called "bipartisan" if a substantial number of Democrats, approaching if not exceeding 50%, voted for it.
The alternate, "if even one member of the opposing party voted for it" definition is only used for Democratic bills.
I don't believe you actually did any research or investigation to come to that conclusion. I believe you are repeating an emotional truth, not a literal one. And advancing the Republican victimhood narrative.
Mike, get the fuck out of here. I'm serious. It's time for you to fuck off.
If you refuse to define the term yourself as shown above:
Mike Laursen
November.6.2021 at 5:28 pm
It's not about me. I don't control the definition of the word, bipartisan. I didn't coin it and I tend not to use it.
Then you have no business attacking other people's (dictionary) definitions as incorrect.
You're a cheap sealioning troll and it's time for you to go.
It's not anal retentive to point out that calling this bill "bipartisan," is not only inaccurate, it's an outright and deliberate selection of an inaccurate description in order to paint the bill as something it's not. This bill is not supported by the overwhelming majority of the republicans in congress. The democrats and the media want to try and pretend that it's got support that it doesn't have, and that it's popular when it's not.
That means the bill is such a steaming pile of shit that they're not even willing to take full responsibility for it. They want to spread the stench around so that's "bipartisan" too. It also means that the Pelosi has no control over he caucus, because she can barely muster enough support from her own party members to pass a signature bill.
hat could really mean all the way down to the support of two members of an opposing party.
No, it can't possibly mean that. Bipartisan is understood to be "in general agreement". You can argue the edges... what about the agreement of 90%, 88%, 80% but when 94% of a large body of an identified political group opposes your policy with only 6% agreement, that's not 'bipartisan'.
The reverse is also done by the media. There can be 94% agreement on something, but depending on the issue, the media will call it a "divisive" policy of only 6% disagree-- especially if that disagreement aligns with the media's groupthink.
These are rhetorical tricks by the media, and we're not buying it. Let's say the issue is... not agreed upon in a bipartisan manner.
"You can argue the edges."
That is actually what I was trying to find. At what level of support is something no longer bipartisan?
40% when used in reference to two parties. Party is the noun. Not subset of party.
Whoops. 50%
Something is bipartisan to the extent that a majority from both parties supports it. I gave an example with TARP elsewhere in the thread. If you want to argue about whether something is bipartisan because a majority of Republicans in the Senate voted for it--even though a majority of Republicans in the House voted against it--let's have that argument. However, whatever bipartisan is, when an overwhelming majority of one party votes against it in both the House and the Senate, it is not bipartisan.
The Republicans in both the House and the Senate unanimously voted against the the Covid-19 stimulus spending the Democrats passed over their objections via budget reconciliation in March of 2021. Is that the only example of major legislation that wasn't bipartisan in recent memory? If a single Republican had voted for the bill, in either or both chambers, would that have transformed the legislation from the Republicans being unanimously opposed into bipartisan legislation?
Like I said in another post above, I have not necessarily given the word too much thought, so I was curious if there was an unofficial agreement on the word. After thinking about it some more, it does infer that the bill was passed by both parties, which would mean 50+% of each of the two parties. I definitely agree that in the case of this Infrastructure Bill, it was not passed in a bipartisan fashion.
Bipartisan is generally the antonym of partisan. Partisan meaning 0% of the opposing party voted for it.
Usually in practice it means one party needs some votes from the other party to get something passed. So the one needing the votes calls it "partisan" while the other uses derogatory terms to describe the members of their party who supported the other party.
Sorry, edit fail.
The party needing the votes calls it "bipartisan" and hails it as rational heads coming together. The party giving up the votes calls out the ones who voted for it as traitors and other names.
I feel like the words partisan and bipartisan along with political parties should go the way of the dinosaur. It creates too many false dichotomies.
By your idiotic definition then the bill was also voted no in a bipartisan manner dummy.
Your definition is only being used by those covering for the dems. Such as yourself.
Regardless, to the bigger issue, there is a big difference between the Republicans and the Democrats on this issue. 94% of the Republicans in the House voted against it, and 215 out of 221 Democrats (97%) voted in favor of it. To cover up this difference is misleading--even if we disagree about the definition of "bipartisan". 94% against vs. 97% in favor means they are not in agreement, and it means there is a difference between them.
There is a difference between the Democrats and Republicans.
Also, neither meets a libertarian’s standards for being worth voting for. The Republicans no longer even meet the standards for being worthy of voting for by a person who believes in democracy.
Bipartisan used to be used on reference to a majority of both parties. Using it as how it is now defined as a single vote from one party renders the term meaningless.
The GOP as a party voted against the bill. The majority said no.
So if you are using bipartisan where the two subjects are the party, it means it passed both parties with a yes vote.
Using it as is renders the term absolutely meaningless.
45-50 percent support in both chambers is my threshold for the term. YMMV.
This formulation of applied when it's a Democrat bill being passed. Switch the parties and it would be called a fully R bill. Anyone trumpeting this as bipartisan is a leftist shill or useful idiot.
It's "bipartisan" in the sense that a few guys from the other party joined in passing it, to contrast it to the reconstitutionalization bill which will be passed (or not) entirely by one party.
And we shouldn't ignore that the "bipartisan" meme is being promulgated by people who don't want to believe there's a substantive difference between the parties.
You have spoken many times about your desire to control the definition of the word, but partisan.
Sorry, that isn’t how English works. Definitions of words are often fuzzy and nobody has authority over them.
So, “bipartisan” to you can mean “lots of support from both parties”, but to someone else or can mean “at least one vote from each party”. The definition of “vaccine” can include mRNA vaccines.
It is fuzzy to you because you want to make sure the left isn't blamed. You are one of the primary vectors of new speak on these threads.
This definition would make sense.
The mRNA vaccine is 1% effective. Therefore it is "effective". I like the way you think. Suddenly everything Fauci says makes sense now.
You totally and completely missed the point. It isn't about how _I_ think.
English speakers don't completely agree on the definitions of English words. The meaning of an English word is often fuzzy. We don't have an central authority on the language like the French. And Ken is not in charge of the English language.
Just say you support new speak already.
"You totally and completely missed the point. It isn't about how _I_ think."
You are a lying piece of lefty shit and have been caught bullshitting yet one more time.
bi -Partisan means Democrats got enough Rs that are really closet Ds to go along to be able to blame Rs that are really Rs ( or RINOS) for Obstructionism.
The meanings of english words are only fuzzy in the minds of progressives, so they can continue to redefine them to suit thier needs.
Words have meanings and definitions. It's not "controlling the meaning" by insisting on a commonly understood definition of a word that's being thrown around pretty loosely here.
Declaring that definitions are "fuzzy" is just as much an attempt to control the language, because it seeks to deny people a common understanding of commonly used words, eliminates clarity and understanding, and makes a common vocabulary impossible.
“Definitions of words are often fuzzy”
If that isn’t some weapons grade disingenuous bullshit.
To be fair, he said so called, and put bipartisan in quotation marks.
Is all of this pork free-range, organic?
And humanely raised, right up to the point at which it was slaughtered.
Unfortunately, I think these pigs might be immortal.
I give you Hillary, Waters and Pelosi as proof.
For Hillary, 180 proof.
180 proof is illegal in California, Florida, Maine, Massachusetts, Hawaii, Iowa, Washington, Michigan, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New York, Nevada, North Carolin, Virginia, and Ohio. Those evil grannies should be in prison.
I mean can we at least be a little ok with the fact that the stuff in this bill is something that government is actually supposed to do? Pretty rare for that to happen these days.
And AOC and her group is pissed off. That’s worth half a trillion by itself.
Now shut down the horribly named BBB. And the payment they’re negotiating for damages to the separated families.
Which part is it suppose to do --- It isn't suppose to do infrastructure, it isn't suppose to subsidize windmills.. EXACTLY; which part and how big of a part is that.
Did Obamas previous version of this accomplish anything except Shovel Ready Bullshit?
Who was VP then?
And AOC and her group is pissed off. That’s worth half a trillion by itself.
No it's not. AOC is nothing more than tiny, limited cult of personality. She holds no power, no sway, and is more of an amusement than a political force to be reckoned with.
She's a far left politician from a tiny district that got a little outsized media attention for a few ephemeral reasons.
In order:
1. She's attractive.
2. She opposed Trump.
3. She hangs out with a woman in a hijab and they sometimes coordinate their outfits which make for great art on news stories (see #1).
Honestly, I don't know why conservatives even hate her that much. She's more something to point and laugh at. And you'll notice how far she's been "backgrounded" by the media now that Trump is no longer in office.
I agree with everything she said. She’s awful.
The fact that she’s considered an up-and-comer says a lot about the Democrats and the media, none of it good.
But it’s fun to watch her take her losses poorly.
Tell us about how Trump is evil again, asshole.
Trump is poison. The sooner the right figures that out, the sooner we'll be safe from people like AOC and her extremism.
Above should have read I agree with everything Dianne said.
Is your assertion there was no poison before trump? Why would we be safe if one person is removed? That makes zero sense.
So.... A De-Regulation committee is poison?? Dropping the iNazi (International Nazism - credits to Chumby for that term) Paris Accord is poison?? A committee to end foreign subsidies is poison to the USA?
No-one that supports Trump here thinks he was perfect; but this TDS B.S. is exactly that -- B.S.
This stupid so0n of a bitch deserves to have it jammed up is ass every time he posts.
Fuck off and die, Bevis.
Umm... nevermind
Tell us about how you are a TDS-addled piece of shit again, asshole.
Bevis is an abject moron, my goodness.
Yes, but she is pissed off.
And she told her supporters repeatedly that the January 6 rioters were trying to kill her.
Misdemeanor disturbing the peace.
There was every reason to believe they might be trying to kill her, and other Congress members, and the Vice President.
Wrong.
There was no more reason than the other twenty times protesters had invaded the Capitol building in the last five years... except maybe for the fact that aside from the FBI agents they weren't her minions for a change.
Your ridiculous hypocrisy is pathetic, Mike.
Also AOC was in a different completely building almost a mile away. She was nowhere close to the riot.
Both her and you are such dishonest clowns.
No there wasn’t.
You know youre REALLY low when Pelosi hates you....
Another
Overt
Communist
The gop saved the squad from having to vote yes. It saved them as much as Pelosi.
And reminder they voted no due to demands to spend more.
but, but..... That's ONLY !!-ANOTHER-!! $10,000 getting STOLEN from working people's labor by Gun-Force. It's not REAL slavery for anyone but those laboring all year for $10,000. Because if you only make $1/yr it's not slavery or theft... /s
Total Biden Administration Bill now $3.1T or $24K per working person.
Sure hope everyone's $24K was worth a few Federal bridges...
And the utter destruction of the USA's foundation since it's UN-CONSTITUTIONAL. Nazi-Implemented.
Except no one really wants to pay his or her "fair share", or we'd each be on the hook for 100K in federal debt.
Sucking the wealth out of the USA one "share" at a time.
To Conquer and Consume.
Give me $24K.
Ill owe 100.
Thats how Govt finance works, isnt it?
This is the 6% of House Republicans who voted for the infrastructure bill:
Adam Kinzinger (IL)
Don Bacon (NE)
Don Young (AK)
John Katko (NY)
Tom Reed of (NY)
Andrew Garbarino (NY)
Nicole Malliotakis (NY)
Brian Fitzpatrick (PA)
Chris Smith (NJ)
Jeff Van Drew (NJ)
Fred Upton (MI)
Anthony Gonzalez (OH)
David McKinley (WV)
They need to be challenged in the primaries.
shot...
Fixed it for you.
Democrats in Sheeps clothing..
Why even have a fucking Congress in your world, Ken? Those people weren’t sent there to obstruct, obstruct, obstruct. Just shut the whole fucker down and have a king.
What your list did doesn’t matter because Pelosi would have made concessions to the progs and their votes would have flipped. At least now there’s some chance to whack gown that BBBullshit bill some more.
You wanna stop shit like this? Don’t run a crazy asshole imbecile for president. But that doesn’t look like something the Rs can manage to achieve. The guy y’all ran was so bad that he couldn’t beat this incompetent piece of trash.
no not with masdive voter fraud he couldnt...
You need some Govt meds
You got biden whose senile. And was the best the Dems could come up with.
We all lose!
Bevis is an imbecile. Unfortunately, he's not merely an imbecile but he's also a dickless little beta pussy who's made to feel super insecure by people who think for themselves and/or deal with people directly. Bevis has no merit, and is completely dependent upon the charity of others to imagine his life has any value whatsoever.
Bevis: you're fucking worthless.
Again, there's only so much obstructing that we can expect when the Democrats control the House, the Senate, and the White House. This isn't like in football where you can score on defense. This is like baseball, where you can't score on defense. You can't expect to control the House when you don't actually have control of the House. The Republicans are at the mercy of the Democrats.
Under these circumstances--with the Democrats in control of the House, the Senate, and the White House--it is unreasonable to expect the Republicans to be successful at obstructing anything. If Republicans were in the White House, they could veto legislation. If the Republicans had control of the House, they could decide what bills are and aren't brought to the floor for a vote. The only means the Republicans have available to them to obstruct is the veto, and even that could be taken away by the Democrats at any time.
The only thing that stops the Democrats from doing everything they want is the fear of the voters and the 2022 midterms. Apart from that, they can't fight back. They have no arms. They have no legs. I wish these 13 traitors were insignificant, and once the Republicans take control of the House, they will be. In the meantime, there is no good substitute for divided government.
If the budget reconciliation bill dies, it won't be because of the Republicans in Congress. They can't do anything to stop it. If the budget reconciliation bill dies, it will because of Manchin fears the people of West Virginia, because Sinema fears the people of Arizona, and because Democrats everywhere fear the people of Virginia. The credit belongs with the American people for putting fear into these politicians, but then the blame belongs with the American people for failing to deprive the Democrats with the total control of government.
"The only means the Republicans have available to them to obstruct is the
veto[filibuster], and even that could be taken away by the Democrats at any time."----Ken Shultz
Fixed!
I wouldn't view them as traitors. That's a Dem tactic, viewing anyone as a traitor who isn't all in on your party's agenda (like Mancin or Sinema). These guys represent their districts, see the pork is going to pass, and sign up for their cut. There ought to be an effort in the primaries to replace them with fiscal conservatives, but they are not the problem.
Okay, my emotions may have gotten the better of me. They are not traitors necessarily. But I do hope they're replaced by fiscal conservatives in the primaries.
I prefer the term "fiscally responsible". Conservative is a loaded word unfortunately.
They are traitors when they are deliberately destroying our economy for the benefit of our Communist enemies.
Dont sugar coat a turd...even the first bite is awful...
^THIS; Voting to violate "The People's" law over them can't be described any better than 'traitors of the USA'.
Sadly; such a simple concept of obeying a sworn oath and NOT being a Nazi-God would probably make the entire congressional body a 'traitor' at some point in their Gov-God career.
And anyone has to wonder why the USA is falling apart and becoming more incompetent every day.
You completely sidestepped addressing what he said about your beloved Republicans’ support for a crazy asshole who couldn’t even appeal to voters more than Joe Biden.
Amazing watching you call Ken a beloved republican as you cry constantly about being called a leftist. Hypocrites through and through.
I don't know what she said, but the things I wrote are true or false regardless of whether I'm a Republican. She's had her face smeared in her own ad hominem fallacies dozens of times in this forum, and she still doesn't understand what it means. At some point, we need to address her lack of ability to understand . . . anything, really.
If failing to avoid the ad hominem fallacy for the 27th time, after its been pointed out to her in a public forum, isn't a good indication of her lack of mental ability to understand what's being written, what is? And why continue to read and respond to the comments of this troll, when she isn't smart enough to understand what you write?
Try muting her for a week. Tell me how it goes. You can always unmute her later if you want, but I'd bet dollars to doughnuts you won't.
Ooh, you tried to insult me by calling me “she” again. Because women are inferior, Ken?
And I didn’t say that you said that something is true or not true. I said you avoided addressing it in any way.
That is not an ad hominem. I didn’t comment on you, your intelligence, your character. I made a factual claim about your not having done something.
Where did he say women are inferior. Your name is dee. A reference to Always Sunny. Youre a squawking bird.
He said nothing about gender equality there dumbass.
Because women are inferior, Ken?
For those not aware, White Mike knows that a good number of people here, including Ken, think that Mike's a sockpuppet account of a crazy woman named Dee.
And even though White Mike knows this, it's still pretending to be ignorant of the fact, and trying to portray Ken as a misogynist.
What a weasel.
Agree. Mike is mute worthy. But not for a week.
LMAO!! Now that's rich!!!
"addressing what he said about your beloved Republicans’ support for a crazy asshole who couldn’t even appeal to voters more than Joe Biden"
from the same Troll who keeps countering --
The fact that REAL physically accounted for PEOPLE NEVER did give Biden a win.
You wanna stop shit like this? Don’t run a crazy asshole imbecile for president.
*looks around nervously*
potus is a pawn.
.This is Piglosis doing.
It just appears POTUS is in the budget process bc. most ( all?) the money will filter to and thru Govt Agencies, and POTUS is Exec. over them.
99.99% Un Constitutional.
Bevis, if she made consessions it would require a re vote in the senate....
I meant she would have made concessions as to timing on the BBB.
As it stands now the BBB can still be made a little less horrible before it's jammed up our collective ass.
Tell us why Trump is evil, again, asshole.
Or it is never made at all and both bills collapse. Youre conceding spending.
Maybe, Jesse. Impossible to say. But with the current power balance and the ass kicking the left took on Tuesday I don't see how ultimately either bill is stopped. Just gotta limit the fucking damage.
The left is taking the "we weren't incompetent and extreme enough" approach to Tuesday. Unfortunately for us politicians of both flavors aren't worth a shit at self examination.
The bill is stopped if 13 gop members had voted no. Or at the least it exposes the squad.
The vote on the infrastructure bill doesn't change anything with the other bill except now letting Manchin and sinema no longer require that vote in a threat to vote no.
The fact is if that bill is modified it goes back to the senate where there would be less gop support with a higher cost.
The 13 gop voters did the worst thing they could have in this situation. Put for the squad. Win for Pelosi and biden. Increased spending. And giving Manchin and sinema less excuse to hold up the BBB bill.
This was the worst outcome for everybody.
But if you don't cheer cowardice and complicity, how is bevis going to justify who he is and what he does?
Stuff your TDS ups your ass, pile of shit; your head is looking for company.
Fuck off and die, TDS-addled pile of shit, bevis.
Well, let’s face it——Bacon voting for pork was probably inevitable.
Wasn't Van Drew elected as a Democrat then switched parties because they tried forcing him into a vote he didn't like?
Tbh, the ones on this list that I recognize have all effectively been democrats anyway
My rep voted against it, but for the exactly wrong reasons, because she is perhaps one of the dumbest people in Congress.
Whats it mean when:
Govt welfare spending on par with the National economy?
ALL THE WORKERS IN US OUT OF WORK?
350M population
100M out of work.
Look up US population stats...throw out children and seniors ( thus becoming a democrat) and how many work age are left.
Well long for 1929 when this finally collapses
Wheres Pelosi and her rant about "Budgeting is solely a matter of the US House of Reps?"
Bidens bill?
I think she died a couple years ago and were seeing a wax figure and projector face..
Setting him up for the blame.
Seems like this 1.2 trillion dollar bill is unconstitutional anyway. Spending bills have to originate in the House. This one passed in the Senate... first? "Originate" doesn't mean "someone types up the first draft".
I’m sure the Republicans would have said something if the Democrats hadn’t followed all the rules they have both set up over the years.
I'm sure JesseAz posted some brilliant and useful comment really adding to the discourse here. Anyway, here's the history of the bill from wikipedia:
- Introduced in the House as "INVEST in America Act" (H.R. 3684) by Peter DeFazio (D–OR) on June 4, 2021
- Committee consideration by House Transportation and Infrastructure
- Passed the House on July 1, 2021 (221–201)
Passed the Senate as the "Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act" on August 10, 2021 (69–30) with amendment
- House agreed to Senate amendment on November 5, 2021 (228–206)
So you peeked. And still don't understand what I wrote.
Good work dummy.
As White Mike demonstrated earlier today with his bipartisan definition fiasco, he's here to shitpost and shill. Not present rationale.
Your comment is common but incorrect.
They do orginate in the House.
Read about the Fed budget process.
Just because they've corrupted the process doesn't mean it is constitutional. It just means it is allowed.
The senate gutted a passed house bill and replaced 100% of the words to get around the requirement.
troll muted. dont bother
Lol. Okay. Amazing how you all do that when you can't argue back.
If you think Jesse is trolling you, life must have been rough getting here, cupcake.
Going by his other posts I think he is referring to White Mike as the troll, not Jesse.
bill will end up doing far less than it otherwise could have.
So there will be camps, just no gas chambers... for now.
Libertarian moment!
The spending will go to approved companies, meaning union jobs, kickbacks, and cost and schedule overruns, and get doled out according to the racial makeup of the company ownership (contra the Constitution).
By the time the new infrastructure is completed, it will already have started to crumble.
I haven’t heard anything about whether any of the cash is going to be shoveled toward the California high-speed rail project. I hope not.
HtF will ISIS buy more machine guns, and Toyota pickup trucks to put them in, thru Obama, if Biden doesnt get all this money to launder?
Well, "gas chambers but no jobs..". is how it looks to be shaping up!
I guess with a gas chamber, who NEEDS jobs?
Crony Socialism strikes again!!
Behold: The Monumental Step Forward! (To be followed up in a few years by The Great Progressive Equity Revolution! )
Senile Joe is Presiding over 100 Million out of work.
Hes forcing another 80 M out with his vaccine mandate.
( Dont tell Buttigeg about " mandates...)
So, how many will be employed after that?
The US population is only ~ 355 M people.
" Eight dead at Houston music festival...."
Drudge.
.Oh Fking GREAT.
Now the rest of us are stuck with their debt of $24K x 8....
Probably COVID.
Yes.
"...shot dead in the street, died due to Covid.. "
Real media credibility
Just remember Boehm, you 'reluctantly' pulled the lever for Brain-Damaged Biden. Thanks....Not!
Recall, The Senile Messiah was the best the Dems had...
Hes smiling bc he saw someones teenage daughter that he wanted to sniff.
Already had a sniff. Has plans for seconds.
hed lick to like them!
Disgusting pervert.
1.2 Trillion?
Piker. Amateur Hour.
Obozo threw away $ 7.2 Trillion PLUS on health care for all.
Obozo Care had provisions for UNLIMITED SPENDING on some line items.
Today, hralth care shortages. Rationing. Just as predicted.
I was flipping through the news channels this morning and saw they all were discussing the most important part of this infrastructure bill that Boehm is over-looking, what does getting this bill passed do for Biden's and the Democrat's poll numbers?
bought votes are the best votes. It incentivizes voters.
Always for Democrats!
Dead voters, too!
Most people have polled apathetic, or inclined to think it won't help.
It take a true God-like Leadership to pitch a bill being mostly...
1/2-For Concrete, Demolition, and "Infrastructure"
and the other
1/2-For Save-The-Environment cliche's....
It's like calling, "Heads you loose, Tails I win."
And the leftards scream, "Go Biden!!!" while obviously the only motive of the coin-toss to to STEAL their money/wealth.
naw, it just takes what we have.
.A party with zero morals to throw money out the window to buy votes...to keep throwing money out the window. To continue to buy votes.
It works till it doesnt.
I hate going to chiropractors because they sometimes rub me the wrong way.
5th circuit just put a stay on Brandon's vax mandate.
CBS News reported that, devoted 5 seconds to the subject, then delivered what was literally a 5 minute PSA on getting your toddler vaccinated.
Fuck journalism.
well theyll have a coronary today with Senile Joes Mandate going down like Pete Buttigeg on his BBF.
All the news sources I consult had a brief sentence on the subject, which probably has to do with the fact that there's nothing else to report about it today. One source said who nominated the judges for some context and color.
Do you think journalism is taking a shit on the president at every opportunity for no reason? For fairness and balance?
Sleepy Brandon doesn't even care all that much, because he's the president in name only, a straight up puppet.
the coming decinating losses for the Left are SO obvious that even ABCCBSNBC are admitting it.
Ha!
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The Bidens went to their favorite restaurant.
The Waiter asked Jill, " For your Entree', Ma'am?"
She replied " prime rib."
"And for your vegetable?"
."Oh thats Joe, my Husband, hell have Applesauce."
It would have been more helpful had Reason critiqued this so-called infrastructure bill (which is a lot more socialism and deficit spending) before it was enacted into law.
Attacking the Messenger. Lame Troll tactic.
.Youre a brain dead Liberal and just dont like the topic.
May I suggest catching a bus...by the bike rack?
"In 2011, Armstrong, Beaver, Butler, Fayette, Washington and Westmoreland counties had a combined 270,048 Republican voters compared to 390,320 Democrats. A decade later, Republicans have the edge: 365,644 to 297,977."
https://triblive.com/local/westmoreland/red-wave-in-western-pennsylvania-ring-counties-leaves-allegheny-a-blue-island/
Dizzle, Biden won Pennsylvania and Hillary didn't, not because of Philly and Pittsburgh. He did worse in those cites than she did. He won because he did better than her in the other counties across the state. This is a fact repeated in like manner in Georgia (Atlanta), Michigan (Detroit), and Wisconsin (Milwaukee). The point is this precludes the claim of Biden's win being based on massive urban cheating - think about it.
I call B.S.
https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/states/pennsylvania
/2020/results/state/pennsylvania
TJJ, you'll have to explain how that link supports your assertion. It's not obvious.
From Politico:
"Though he lost the vast majority of the state’s 67 counties, Biden made gains in the mostly red counties in south central Pennsylvania — places such as York, Dauphin and Cumberland counties — compared to 2016. In Lancaster County, which Biden visited twice during the campaign, he won 41 percent of the vote, compared to 38 percent received by Clinton, according to unofficial results.
The Trump campaign and local Republican operatives predicted that Trump would do better in Philadelphia, something that the Biden team dismissed as a possibility.
But Trump ultimately earned more raw votes in Philly than in 2016, going from nearly 109,000 ballots four years ago to more than 126,000 today. With 96 percent of the estimated votes counted, Biden is underperforming Clinton in the city by about 26,000 votes"
Wouldn't be reason if they weren't backing bullshit "tax reform" bills that let Koch keep more money but then bitching about a bill that might actually help normal Americans.
I fail to see how rural internet is a "boondoggle." it's a public utility that's essential for economic development and where state legislatures have stayed out of the way and let local government get on with it (e.g. Chattanooga TN until the state legislature intervened to stop them from further expanding their service area, Rock Falls IL) the results have been really successful. And you know who pays legislators to block these things? AT&T and Verizon lobbyists. I, for one, am tired of the country being run for a select few politically connected corporations.
Of course, the Buy American provisions aren't going to help much unless they have the effect of increasing home-grown business to deal with infrastructure instead of us having to import it from, say, Siemens, Bombardier or ABB. If they do, great, but I'm not holding my breath; they could just increase project costs. What we really need there is bipartisan agreement on an appropriate amount of spending that will be stable from year to year. A predictable market, in other words.
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