Post Office

USPS Implements New Business Plan of Higher Prices and Worse Service

The postal service is trying to get its fiscal house in order. It's also alienating large shippers of first-class mail.

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Beginning this month, the United States Postal Service (USPS) is implementing "new" service standards and prices. That is to say, costs are going up and delivery times are getting longer.

In the halcyon days of September 2021, the postal service had promised to get all first-class mail and periodicals sent within the lower 48 states to their destinations in three days.

That three-day guarantee will be replaced by new distance-based standards. Mail traveling upwards of 930 miles will now be considered on time if it gets to its intended recipient within four days. Anything sent to destinations over 1,907 miles away will now have a five-day delivery target.

The USPS' implementation of longer delivery times comes sandwiched between a pair of price increases as well.

In August, the postal service raised the cost of sending a first-class letter from $0.55 to $0.58. It also increased the cost of sending large "flats"—meaning larger envelopes, newsletters, and magazines—from $1 to $1.16. Starting October 3, the cost of sending packages will also increase from as little as $0.25 to as much as $5, depending on the distance it's being sent and the level of service requested.

This is all part of Postmaster General Louis DeJoy's 10-year Delivering for America business plan that is supposed to put the USPS on the path to "financial sustainability and service excellence."

The price increases are obviously intended to bring in more revenue. Longer delivery times, meanwhile, will allow the USPS to save money by sending mail on its own (slower) trucks, and not on airplanes owned by its competitors. In addition, the postal service is deploying more package-sorting machines in the hopes of capturing a larger slice of the growing e-commerce market.

All these changes are supposed to eventually put the USPS back in the black after over a decade of running persistent deficits, and maintain its usefulness in a world where high-margin "flat" mail (the postal service's traditional bread and butter) is becoming less and less relevant.

Nevertheless, the changes are upsetting some of the postal service's most reliable customers.

"I have not seen a business model like [DeJoy's], that promises worse service for higher prices, succeed," Brett Wesner, a publisher of small-circulation newspapers in Oklahoma, Texas, and New Mexico, and chairman of the National Newspaper Association (NNA), told Reason earlier this year.

The NNA's members include a lot of weekly periodicals for whom it doesn't make sense to keep on a dedicated delivery staff. That means reliance on a postal service whose service standards were slipping even before the pandemic when on-time rates went off a cliff.

The USPS' shift to package delivery would seem to make sense given how much retail shopping is moving online. It's also a service that's handled by a legion of private competitors.

"Do we really want the Postal Service to compete increasingly with the private sector? We do have private companies that deliver parcels—lots of them," says Kevin Kosar, a postal scholar at the American Enterprise Institute.

The changes the USPS is making, and the reaction to them, shows the bind that the postal service finds itself in, which I wrote about in the cover story for Reason's August/September issue:

An overhaul intended to prioritize handling more packages would risk alienating the large customers most invested in the USPS' flat mail services. Focusing on ever-declining paper mail would make the agency both less relevant to the public and more dependent on public subsidies.

Countries that don't quite count as anarcho-capitalist utopias have had success with either privatizing their postal services or opening up mail delivery to private competition. Reason has been on board with this idea since its first year in print.

Turning over all postal deliveries to the free market still leaves some tricky questions about how to get things like jury summons and election ballots everywhere they need to go. A separation of stamp and state also isn't politically practical, at least right now. No matter how much it has mistreated them, the public still loves its publicly-run postal service.

So, for the foreseeable future, it looks like we're stuck with more expensive stamps, and longer wait times for mail.

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    2. Lysander Spooner’s mail service convinced the Brits to institute penny postage–and the Kleptocracy to beat him down with legalistic bullying until it monopolized everything and passed girl-bullying Comstock laws using the mail to ban birth control.

      1. Do you actually have a point? Or is this an excuse to mention the same bizarre irrelevant points you bring to every comment?

    3. Socialized shipping? Shirley, you jest. The USPS was around long before socialism. Get a little more sophisticated than calling anything done by the government socialist. It’s lazy. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I try to avoid Amazon, so I buy stuff I need more often from ebay. Which means delivery by USPS, which means I need to wait a bit, which means I need to THINK AHEAD. What a novel concept!

  2. “I have not seen a business model like [DeJoy’s], that promises worse service for higher prices, succeed,”

    Their business model is were the Gov, pay up or we will kill you. It’s the same business model that has worked for thousands of years

  3. Time to retire Cliff Claven and sell off the postal service. Lots of real estate could be used for waste disposal.

    1. Hey, Brandyshit! We got what you deserve, asshole!

    2. The Post Office is a specific duty prescribed in the constitution. Unlike all the entitlement spending.

      1. Not a duty, but an option. OTOH, when is a power given to government that it does not exercise?

  4. Hello, Newman.

  5. Leave the Post Office alone!!!!!!111!!!!!!

    1. Through Complain, Incomplete and Slow

    2. Oh; We will as soon as it leave’s us alone.
      Being NOT financial sustainability and using Gov-Guns to charge us whether service is granted or not.

  6. If only they could deliver.

  7. When was the last time you put a stamp on a letter and mailed it?

    Gotta be years ago for most people.

    1. said in Trump voice: “stamps are for losers”.

    2. I recently bought some collectible stamps from the USPS that commemorate prostitution in the United States. They were $1 each or $5 if you lick them.
      Lick it before you stick it.

        1. They were truly tramp stamps.

          1. Tramp stamps are a.k.a. cumshot landing pads.

          2. Tramp stamps are also known as cumshot landing pads.

          3. They should turn the management of the USPS over to the management team of the USBS (United States Booze Service) – motto “Liquor in the Front, Poker in the Rear – customer SATISFACTION guaranteed!”

      1. Postal IMprovement Plan.

      2. The self-adhesive ones are the golddiggers.

    3. if the usps disappeared tomorrow the void would be picked up by a profitable private delivery service and everyone would be happier. we don’t need a gov subsidized, incompetent, crappy mail delivery service. i say put it out of it’s misery. and as buckleup said most of us just don’t need it.

      1. But if we get rid of the postal service where will we keep a stockpile of mass shooters?

        1. They can be code enforcers instead, like Dennis Rader a.k.a. the BTK serial murderer.

      2. While we’re at it, let’s get rid of the money wasting rail service AMTRAK. I recently checked out the train for a trip due to past fond memories. For where I needed to go between two major eastern cities, it cost twice what flying would cost. Not only that, but I could drive it in 10 hours and have a car when I got there. The train would have taken 32 hours. It looked like if you lived in Chicago or NY, you could make it work. If those cities weren’t part of your agenda, you would need to travel via at least one of them. And, you’d have to arrange transportation once you reached your destination.

      3. Everyone wants to say stuff like that, but its complete nonsense. If such a profitable market existed it would have already happened.

        1. It already has, in the package space. FedEx and UPS already took the most valuable part of the Post Office’s business

    4. Day before yesterday, sent a birthday card to a relative. I do this pretty often.

      1. I do too. I still send exmas cards to a few people and occasionally write my friend (yes, I have one friend) a snail mail letter.

        But nobody ever replies. I think I got two or three cards last holiday season.

        However, when I was a consultant, a holiday card with a hand written note always got people’s attention. It was a very good tool. People forget about you fast if you don’t make an effort to stay in contact.

    5. I still have stamps, but since my landlord switched to Venmo, I’m out of reasons to use them.

    6. Regularly.

      Birthday cards, thank you notes. But then, I’m a dinosaur.

      Power, tax, credit card bills … do you really want a direct connection between your town and your bank account? I know they could, but every road effort at keeping leviathan under control is a small victory.

    7. I do about twice a year.

  8. That three-day guarantee will be replaced by new distance-based standards.

    Postal equity. What’s the complaint here?

    1. Reminds me of the old postal markers indicating distance from Boston, used to calculate postage, way back.

    2. Equality of Shitty Outcome?

  9. The business plan’s codename is: Progressive

    1. Not if they’re delivering “mail”.

    2. And like Al Gore toilets, they are Progressive but with no Flo.

  10. Deliver ‘first class’ mail Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday.
    Deliver everything else Thursday.
    Four 10 hour days, no overtime, three day weekends. What’s not to love?
    Oh, yeah, raise junk mail prices (Thursdays) to cover the actual costs.

    1. Because no one drives past two FedEx shops and three UPS drop off ‘service centers’ to go to a post office to ship a package.

      1. USPS is patently inferior both in terms of delivery performance, and accountability, relative to the collage delivery companies.

    2. Having worked in the industry, bulk rate (junk mail) costs more than pay for themselves. Because part of the bulk rate is doing a bunch of pre-processing for the USPS so that the mail is easier to get to its destinations. It is people sending small individual letters that overwhelmingly costs more than the stamp.

    3. FACT: I totally agree with that model or one like it. Why deliver mail 6 days a week? More people might be willing to work for USPS on a 4-day schedule. Not to mention vehicle maintenance and fuel savings. The latter being a major environmental argument of the Left, so they should like this proposal also.

      1. Biden is going to require electric vehicles for delivery.

    4. Or just cut half the workforce and vehicles, stay 6 days and delivery to each box every other day.

  11. I gotta say when I need to ship a package USPS is usually only a few cents cheaper than UPS or Fedex. Given how many times I’ve tracked a USPS package leaving and arriving at the same facility several times over the course of four days. Hell, one time they sent a package of mine that originated in TN, which is literally less than an 8 hour drive from my home, on a week long trip across the country to Reno followed by LA before finally doing the sane thing of moving it closer to the destination by flying it to Charlotte, NC.

    I wonder why they can’t make a profit.

    1. LA is where packages go to die.

    2. My county seat is 50 miles away. To mail anything to it requires it be routed through Billings, over 500 miles away. It is supposedly more efficient to have centralized processing centers but I am not certain of that.

      1. Don’t live in such a rural shithole then.

          1. Senile flag

              1. Senile flag

                  1. Flag of the senile old fascist piece of trash!

        1. “ Don’t live in such a rural shithole then.”

          Exactly: if you want a postal service and you can’t get a private supplier to deal with you, then live somewhere else.

        2. So where do you live?

    3. UPS and FedEx provide detailed real-time tracking of every transshipment point. The USPS? If it doesn’t arrive within a week or two, you can use the tracking number to wait longer for no further information.

      1. Further, you will NEVER recover lost package costs from USPS; you will find, on going to the post office, you have not filled out the proper form.
        No matter haw many times you go the the PO, until you decide it is cheaper to eat the loss.

        1. They’ve only lost one of mine and I got a check. Wasn’t hard at all

          1. Sevo’s a senile old drunk. Take anything he says with a grain of salt.

            1. Apologize to Sevo. He’s more civil with you than you deserve.

          2. “They’ve only lost one of mine and I got a check. Wasn’t hard at all”
            New handle, anecdote, already caught bullshitting? Bullshit.

            1. Anything that makes Sevo’s senile, old, rum soaked brain think must be bullshit according to him.

              If I say “Trump was the worst President since Silent Cal” maybe he’ll have a stroke?

              1. flag for the asshole!

    4. I have to say, my experience with USPS package delivery has been very good. They deliver very quickly, and they don’t let the package sit in the warehouse like UPS and FedEx do. Not really in favor of gov monopolies. Just my $0.02

      1. You sound like those fake 10/10 reviews on imdb.

      2. The Post Office’s existence is specified right there in the Constitution and provides me with useful service 6 days a week. There are hundreds of federal agencies that do nothing but harass us and eat out our substance. These have no constitutional basis, so why pick on the Post Office?

        Yeah, it’s a government boondoggle, but what isn’t?

        1. So we should continue to pay for it since YOU like it? VOX is right over there to the left.

          1. You don’t pay shit, unless you use it. Let me Google that for you – https://www.google.com/search?q=who+funds+the+post+office&oq=who+funds+the+post+office+&aqs=chrome..69i57.4516j0j7&client=ms-android-verizon&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

            1. New handle, anecdote? Yep, bullshitter:
              “USPS Has Received Over $45 Billion from Taxpayers to Reduce the Cost of Junk Mail, Killing Billions of Trees”

              1. … And wildly subsidizing China Imports.

                1. Plenty of reasons to de-fund the PO, but you’re gonna have to come up with some cites for that claim.

                    1. OK, point taken.

          2. 1) Lots of people like it.
            2) Why should I give up a Constitution-based service that I like because you don’t like it?
            3) I, and you for that matter, pay a lot more for government agencies that not only don’t provide useful service but are actively hostile to our well being and freedom. Why single out one agency that’s sort of useful?

            I’m beginning to think that Reason’s accountant just verified that the FedEx check cleared the bank

            1. “1) Lots of people like it.”
              Irrelevant; lots of people like free shit, and I shouldn’t have to pay for it.

              “2) Why should I give up a Constitution-based service that I like because you don’t like it?”
              Don’t pull that shit on me: “The Congress shall have the power] to establish Post Offices and Post Roads.”
              https://www.downsizinggovernment.org/usps-and-constitution
              “constitution-based” is bullshit for ‘not authorized by the Constitution; not a word about postal delivery.

              “3) I, and you for that matter, pay a lot more for government agencies that not only don’t provide useful service but are actively hostile to our well being and freedom. Why single out one agency that’s sort of useful?”
              Oh, boy! The “we waste money everywhere, let’s waste some more here!” argument!
              Vox is just over there to the left.

              I’m beginning to think that Reason’s accountant just verified that the FedEx check cleared the bank

              1. “I’m beginning to think that Reason’s accountant just verified that the FedEx check cleared the bank”

                Sorry, didn’t mean to leave this irrelevant bullshit in the reply.

                1. Senile flag!

                  1. flag for the asshole.

              2. Yes, we waste money everywhere, so why not waste a little bit of it on something useful?

                1. Sorry, that line of ‘logic’ is not worthy of a response other than:
                  Fuck off and die.

          3. He has a point though. It is actually called for in the constitution. Whereas the department of education is not. I would get rid of the DoE first. Although I would ideally amend the constitution and get rid of the post office too.

    5. I ordered an item that got shipped USPS last year.

      I live in St. Louis, MO. The seller was in Peoria, IL. That’s about a 2-hour drive.

      My stuff got shipped from Peoria, to Chicago, to Indianapolis, to Memphis, to Kansas City, and then got lost on its way back to STL.

      1. Stuff from UPS or FedEx often is sent over routes just as complex, as you will see if you deal with them much and track shipments.

        1. Part of that is because the USPS contracts with Fedex to carry air express packages so it isn’t surprising packages are routed through Fedex’s hub network.

          I don’t know how many gov’t agencies contract with either UPS or Fedex instead of USPS today but it was over 20 several years ago. That’s not exactly inspiring confidence in USPS when the government decides they aren’t worth it. I wonder how many millions those contracts are valued at that USPS misses out on.

  12. Anything sent to destinations over 1,907 miles away will now have a five-day delivery target.

    How many people were on the committee that determined that distance?

    1. Either only one with no understanding of logistics, planning, math or common sense or 1,907, each possessing only one of those abilities.

    2. It’s a remarkably strange number to have picked.

  13. Went to mail a package a few weeks ago. Planned to go to the Post office. UPS was significantly more money to send the packaged. As I arrived, I realized this might be a federal facility and they might want me to wear a mask. Did not have one but stopped in anyway. Saw one person without a mask looking over the displays but everyone in line was wearing one. I saw the automated kiosk and went there versus waiting in line. Worked well with no waiting. Package arrived halfway across the country in a couple of days. I have had good luck with the post office. Just my typical experience with the postal service.

    1. These bots are terrible. Can’t even be bothered to add a link to their handle, let alone the message.

  14. What, precisely, is “tricky” about delivering jury summons and election ballots? Other countries with privatized mail don’t seem to have a problem with that. Even in the US, we manage to use private services to deliver all kinds of other legal documents. What makes these any different?

    1. The post office is loaded with loyal party members?

    2. Other countries don’t include the extra service of filling out the ballot for you?

      1. ^lol…. Good one 🙂

    3. Jury summons and election ballots don’t require a photo ID?

      1. They don’t require that here, either.

    4. The Postal Service is legally required to deliver to every address in America. I can remember when UPS did not deliver to southeast Kansas. Then, it delivered to towns in Kansas, but not people who lived on Rural Routes.

      My uncle, who used to be Box 12 on Route 3, got a street address in the 1990s, so that UPS and Fed Ex would deliver, since they can’t deliver to a mailbox, whether in a post office or on a fence post on a gravel road.

      1. People who live away from cities have to travel some for medical care, also; all decisions involve trade-offs.

        1. UNFAIR!!!

          There should be a top-ranked hospital within 10 miles of every home, cuz equity.

      2. So the USPS rule that no one else is allowed to use “their” mailboxes (even though I bought it and it’s attached to my house) is now a reason why private companies can’t deliver to homes? I’m sorry but that reasoning seems a little circular.

      3. “The Postal Service is legally required to deliver to every address in America.”
        Irrelevant. The draft board is legally required to register every draft-aged citizen.

      4. The USPS accidentally (or negligently) declared my zip code a rural route about a decade ago – mid-Obama. We only have about 8k people in my zip code. But we’re also one of the municipalities that directly borders St. Louis City proper.

  15. FYI Greg Gutfeld has surpassed Colbert in ratings. Just thought I’d throw that out there. Although at this point, there are rando youtubers with better ratings than Colbert.

    1. He’s passed everyone in his time slot.

    2. There are plenty of bots with IQ’s higher than Colbert; reminds me of that now-forgotten sports-caster who decided lecturing us on his lefty politics was really a good idea.

      1. You shouldn’t be criticizing anyone’s intelligence ya senile old coot.

        It’s comforting knowing you’ll be dead soon and the world will be a better place.

      2. You’re thinking of Dale Hansen. You forgot him because you’re senile, but he got huge ratings until he quit.

    3. There’s a lot of morons out there that don’t know any better. I don’t find post-Colbert Report Colbert funny, but Gutfelt is just awful. He’s painfully unfunny and a huge goddamn douche. The only reason Redeye worked was Andy and the liberal douche.

      1. 3 flags for the asshole!

        1. Wow you can count!

          1. asshole’s really earning flags this evening.

    4. Colbert was funny when he was on the Daily Show.

      Of Course, the Daily Show used to be funny too. Except when Samantha Bee was on.

      1. Samantha Bee takes being a cunt to a new level of abject cuntyness.

    5. I loved him when i was working 3rds. Im going to say he needs an 8 oclock time slot now.

  16. The level of complaints people have for this is way out of proportion. If you care about getting your letter there quickly, spend the extra few bucks for priority mail. That is what all this ruckus is about. That you can’t get air mail service for 58 cents anymore, you have to pay $7.95.

    1. The complaints have to do with the taxpayer funding a piece of government which works badly.
      You do know this is a libertarian site, don’t you?

      1. The Post Office works quite well.

        1. If it did, it wouldn’t need to be taxpayer funded.
          Are you stupid enough to not know that, or dishonest enough to hope someone would buy that line of bullshit?
          Or both?

      2. Last time I made a comment saying it is a libertarian site, several people disagreed with me and then the conversation got dragged off topic into the definition of libertarian.

        And yes, I do understand the libertarian argument against the USPS in general. However, this change results in less price distortion (there is less subsidy of long distance letters), and to the degree that it pushes people to send via priority mail over first class, it pulls volume out of the government enforced monopoly market and puts it into markets with private competition. Both of these would seem to be good things from a libertarian perspective and make it easier to imagine a privatized USPS future.

    2. I’ve had priority mail be delayed by a week and whole stacks of regular first class mail disappear entirely. Yes, you can track USPS mail, but this costs more than UPS or Fedex, which provide tracking on all items with no extra charge – and their tracking is fairly accurate (unless they hand “by ground” items over to USPS for local delivery). USPS tracking has repeatedly told me the package was delivered 24 hours before it was actually delivered!

  17. Let’s not forget that the Postal Service has different pension rules from every other government agency. If the Postal Service was under the same rules as Amtrak, the Park Service, and DoD, it’s losses would be much smaller.

    Further, the Postal Service would be more efficient, if it didn’t have a post office in every town. Fed Ex does just fine with a limited number of locations plus Fed Ex Office stores. So does UPS with it offices and UPS Store locations.

    I live in a town with two zip codes. Rather than try to replace the local post office built during the Depression, when the town was about 1/4 of the size today, one zip code was moved to a neighboring town whose 1980s era post office is too big.

    If we closed 50% of post offices, let retailers become Postal agents (selling stamps, accepting packages and letters, and having mailboxes), and setting zip codes based on routes and not geography, the Postal Service would cut costs and improve efficiency.

    1. This is the type of discussion that we ought to be having.

    2. “Let’s not forget that the Postal Service has different pension rules from every other government agency. If the Postal Service was under the same rules as Amtrak, the Park Service, and DoD, it’s losses would be much smaller.”

      Yeah, we can thank congress for making sure we won’t have to cover the pension shortfall.

    3. If we closed 50% of post offices, let retailers become Postal agents (selling stamps, accepting packages and letters, and having mailboxes), and setting zip codes based on routes and not geography, the Postal Service would cut costs and improve efficiency.

      That is exactly the wrong approach. We need more post offices so that there is reasonable geographic spread. Reduce home delivery to one or two times per week. Everyone has a free mailbox at the post office. People can choose whether the 1-2/wk is ok – or pick up mail themselves – or arrange for private delivery – or get the local postmaster to arrange for delivery. Which is how it worked until rural free delivery in the 1890’s created the notion that mail is all about home delivery.

      That would reduce costs by about 70%. Would create a much stronger local presence for everything federal without the need for most other federal offices. Social Security questions, military recruiting, taxes, and yes depository/giro banking (not lending).

      We have spent 100 years destroying infrastructure while adding government employees. In almost everything. It’s the wrong damn approach.

      1. Pretty sure JFree got a masters in bullshitting.

        1. No, he’s on the right track. The Post Office the Constitution enshrined was (and could be again) the embodiment of Government and a marker of the extent of its (govs) sovereignty.

          It redistributes gov workers from critical-mass, stove-piped thinking enclaves of mediocrity into the communities they are supposed to be concerned about. More small buildings with 24/7 access to kiosks to petition govt in the front-end and 24/7 gov clerks in the back-end working remotely for their big-box agency bldgs elsewhere. Any correspondence the Government requires you to interact with it for can be accomplished there.

          It brings the Government into your neighborhood as a visible presence and a focus for citizen attention.

          1. “…It brings the Government into your neighborhood as a visible presence and a focus for citizen attention.”

            So you got a BsMs also?

          2. 100%. It’s almost as if everyone way back then understood why Benjamin Franklin was a founder.

        2. It was mail-order, so he doesn’t actually have it yet.

    4. You overlooked the elephant in the room. There’s a federal employee union that stands in the way of your perfectly well-reasoned plan.

    5. Let’s not forget that the Postal Service has different pension rules from every other government agency. If the Postal Service was under the same rules as Amtrak, the Park Service, and DoD, it’s losses would be much smaller.

      Not really. The different pension rules required pretending in a period that ended about 5 years ago. If the USPS is having cashflow problems, it’s not because they’ve prefunded their pensions years ago.

      1. Did you mean “prefunding” rather than “pretending”?

        Other government agencies do NOT fully fund their pension plans. Instead, they use funny accounting (that the executives of private business would go to jail for) to avoid paying the full cost of the pensions their employees earn now, and pass it down to future generations. But the USPS is in a peculiar position: the government agency was sort-of-privatized several decades ago, while retaining a government monopoly and taxpayer subsidies of its losses. So sometimes it has followed the pension rules of an ordinary business and put enough into the pension plan _this year_ to probably cover the future costs of pensions earned _this year_.

  18. The link in the story to a Lanny Friedlander story from 1968 is great. Here’s part of it, describing a predecessor to the fax:
    ——-
    The Wall Street Journal (Aug 9, 1968) reports that, starting in Sept, Tele-Trans, leasing Xerox Telecopiers, will begin transmitting and receiving letters at locations in banks, hotels, airports, and libraries, utilizing conventional telephone lines. The charge: 50¢ per minute. Transmission time for an 8½ by 11 page would be 3-5 minutes, thus, cost $1.50-$2.50 per page. The largest expense, of course, is the phone line. The inherent difficulty in any present facsimile operation is its slowness. Unless this is overcome, or line charges drop drastically, this type of service will not capture the general market.

    1. I remember in the early Nineties seeing a stand-up comedian saying: “Maybel, we gonna be a metro-polis now that we got that thar new Fax machine!” 🙂

  19. Why not create a new airmail rate, for those mailing further, but wanting fast?

    1. Because it all goes airmail anyway, if the distance is great.

  20. Congress sets postal rates and has been out to kill the Post Service for years. Looks like they might finally succeed. Once a sought after job, no one wants to work for the Post Office anymore. They lack carriers and many rural have to run their own vehicles. The end will enrich FedEx, UPS and Amazon, and you will be paying for that.

    1. Yes , efficiently run businesses are so costly, especially when they have competition.

    2. They run their own vehicles for a very nice mileage reimbursement, and have done so forever. I had an uncle how made as much on mileage as he did on wages. (a very spread out rural route)

      1. My sister-in-law drove this for years. When you figure in wear and tear on the vechile, tires, constant brake repairs, gas, and the cost repairs it is not so great. Of course you just focus on the reimbursement, not the actual costs of running a vehicle.

        1. IOWs, she found it just fine.

        2. If you buy a relatively inexpensive used vehicle, cost of maintenance and depreciation can be low.

    3. We’re already paying to subsidize a poorly run operation even if we’re not using; you think paying for those who have competition when we need the service will be more expensive?
      Have you ever run or managed a business?

      1. Amazon, FedEx and UPS all ship through the Post Office because it is cheapre than them delivering, with the exception of high profit overnight stuff. You are subudizing them right now. Congress does not let the Post Office run as a business, but as a perk for the big carriers.

        1. Strange, hardly any of my Amazon orders arrive which do not get here in one of those gray “prime” trucks.
          Seems if we are subsidizing those companies, we’re not doing a good job of it.

  21. Isn’t there still a “Postal Clause” in the US Constitution? Regardless, I’m looking forward to some woke-ass ‘private’ corporation deciding what mail I can send and/or receive under the arbitrary auspices of ‘misinformation’, ‘disinformation’, ‘subversive communication’ or whatever.

    1. The US Constitution allows (not requires) the federal government to build post roads. It is silent on actually having government employees deliver the mail.

    2. “I’m looking forward to some woke-ass ‘private’ corporation deciding what mail I can send and/or receive under the arbitrary auspices of ‘misinformation’, ‘disinformation’, ‘subversive communication’ or whatever.”

      Yeah, much better to have the government do it instead of being able to find a service which will do what you desire.

    3. some woke-ass ‘private’ corporation deciding what mail I can send and/or receive

      The USPS has limited your ability to send specific content for over a century. Anti-war material, pharmaceutical info, (some) sex related, morals related, books, photos… In addition, the USPS has police powers and will read the mail of anyone a fellow gov official or family member requests.

      1. The Comstock laws required the post office to censor mail, and it did so enthusiastically for nearly a century. While the bans on contraception in the mail have been overturned, the ban on (undefined) “pornography” still stands, and can still get you sent to jail. Within the last 30 years, there was a postal inspector in a conservative southern town who worked to impose _his_ community standards on the whole country instead of the community standards of the rest of the country. He would mail order sexual material from across the country, then try the sellers in front of local juries.

        No matter how bad private companies are, they can’t put you in jail for posting material they find offensive.

  22. This crisis was manufactured first by Congress with the passage of the The Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act (PAEA) which requires the USPS to prefund the retirement fund 75 years in advance. No other government agency has this requirement. This burden alone will kill the USPS. I believe that’s the point.

    Second, DeJoy, in my opinion, is piling on to kill the USPS. This is all political positioning to get rid of the USPS so a private contractor can get all that money. I’ve seen it happen at the state level where a well-functioning state agency was killed by legislation that placed insurmountable requirements which in effect killed that agency. Of course, a private company was standing by to replace that agency at a much higher cost. I happened to use products supplied by that agency. Normally, I wouldn’t say that governments produce quality products, but in this case, the private contractor’s products were terribly deficient.

    Lastly, this is hurting small businesses like mine. I depend on the USPS for shipping. Therefore, I depend on the USPS in order to make sales. Last Xmas was terrible. DeJoy says he’s going to hire 100k new employees in 2022. Are you just trying to kill as many businesses as possible in 2021? National political figures always claim to be helping small businesses. Well, this is killing small businesses and it was all manufactured by Congress and politicians.

    It’s a standing joke about how bad the USPS is. I’ve used UPS, FedEx, and USPS for over 20 years and in my experience, the USPS is the most reliable, followed by UPS, then FedEx. Each has problems, but the USPS is by far the most reliable. Without the USPS, many, many small businesses will die and nuke the economy with it. Walmart can’t replace all of these businesses.

    1. “This crisis was manufactured first by Congress with the passage of the The Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act (PAEA) which requires the USPS to prefund the retirement fund 75 years in advance…”
      Thereby preventing the crisis later. And lefty shits keep claiming that this is a bad thing.
      ————————————————
      “…It’s a standing joke about how bad the USPS is. I’ve used UPS, FedEx, and USPS for over 20 years and in my experience, the USPS is the most reliable, followed by UPS, then FedEx. Each has problems, but the USPS is by far the most reliable…”
      My anecdote varies from yours 180*
      ———————————————–
      “…Without the USPS, many, many small businesses will die and nuke the economy with it. Walmart can’t replace all of these businesses.”
      Gee, that’s an interesting line of bullshit!

    2. Maybe we need to include the congress in the USPS pension plan. Let them fund their plan 75 years out.

      Or better yet, put congress on commission. They have to cough up the funds to balance the budget out of their graft and contributions, or can split the surplus among themselves.

    3. Oh, and:
      “…I’ve seen it happen at the state level where a well-functioning state agency was killed by legislation that placed insurmountable requirements which in effect killed that agency. Of course, a private company was standing by to replace that agency at a much higher cost. I happened to use products supplied by that agency. Normally, I wouldn’t say that governments produce quality products, but in this case, the private contractor’s products were terribly deficient.”
      First, you’re confusing ‘cronyism’ with the market and secondly, we’re gonna need a cite for a “well-functioning state agency”.
      I’m calling bullshit.

  23. the bind that the postal service finds itself in

    the HOLE that the postal service DUG FOR itself

    Fixed that one.

    When many of us screamed and hollered at USPS for giving such huge breaks to Amazon as they began to get market penetration.. when the Zon pau significantly less than I do for shipping the same package from my place (buying thourh Zon instead of USPS< same package, weight, servic,e etc, something is WRONG.).

    They left billioins on the table, likley enough to fill in the hole thye've now dug.
    Now the Zon have their oan complete (though VERY bad) delivery service. I think they're getting it done cheaper that way, but the service is rotten and they treat their employess doing the delivery like the dirt Amazon are.

    USPS are in deep because they PUT themselves there.
    I can see how Fist Class can and should cost the same wither its going round the block or Maine to Idaho. But to charge the same to take a 15 pound Flat Rate box from Anacortes WA to Ocala FL as they do to take the same sized box weigit a half pound to just accross town is nuts. ALL the otehr carriers charge eweight/size over distance. That acccurately reflects cost.

    1. “…and they treat their employess doing the delivery like the dirt Amazon are…”

      Gee, I guess those people are their because someone stood out in front of the Amazon office and forced them to sign-up at gun point? That ought to be illegal!

      1. Amazon built a new distribution center in my area and sent out post cards looking for workers – offering sign-on bonuses of $1k – $10k depending on what you signed on for.

        I sent the one I got to my out-of-work (woke) neighbor – and he was all “Fuck Amazon, I hate Jeff Bezos”.

        I thought – well, if you hate him so much, why not take his money?

  24. I can ship a package across the country for less than what UPS or FedEx charge JUST AS A PICKUP FEE. USPS isn’t taxpayer funded, they’re in the red because they have to prefund their pension plan. Which is good, but I also don’t know any other public entity that has this requirement, so it’s not an apples to apples comparison. Maybe no one here complaining uses eBay for anything, which is your loss, but you will 100% lose access to a ton of oddball things that aren’t worth the time for people like me to ship any other way, if USPS ever shuts down. Why you simping for UPS shareholder profits instead of your own wallet?

    1. “…USPS isn’t taxpayer funded, they’re in the red because they have to prefund their pension plan…”

      So they’re tax-payer funded because they have to keep the taxpayer free from picking up a non-funded prension plan?
      You were called on your bullshit above, bullshitter.

      1. That was unclear. They have to keep the _future_ taxpayer free from paying pensions that were promised _now_, just like every private business that doesn’t want to go to jail for pension fraud.

  25. People will need to keep this in mind, if they are the type to mail a payment so it gets there just in time. Could see some late-payment fees come out of this.

  26. Yea. Mail is evil. Pass it on.

    – Cosmo Kramer

  27. Looks like the Postal Worker’s Union linked this thread in a news-letter; all sorts of new handles lying about the USPS this evening.

    1. Senile flag.

      1. flag for the asshole.

  28. Huge typo in article
    “ all part of Postmaster General Louis DeJoy’s 10-year plan to destroy the USPS for personal gain.”
    Was miswritten as
    “all part of Postmaster General Louis DeJoy’s 10-year Delivering for America business plan”

    Let’s only deal in reality
    No mr. Reason, Partial reality isn’t reality

      1. It’s pretty simple. It’s not the OP’s fault you’re too senile to understand.

  29. Financial sustainability – that’s all I care about.
    Taxpayers shouldn’t be subsidizing your China Imports.

  30. Not at all strange that a whole bunch of new handles showed up to lie about the USPS. I’m sure the union has search-bots looking for threads addressing the incompetence of the USPS (and the members) plus a page of lies to be copied and pasted by the parasites working for the USPS.

  31. SeRs will never be able come back from this. “Send no money”

  32. Participation trophies at the federal level!

    Some kids play competitive sports, and the quality of play gets better. Other kids play “fair” sports, and run aimlessly around on the grass while their moms sit on the sidelines and drink.

    1. “while their moms sit on the sidelines and drink.”

      Which is why I always make it a point to show up for those games.

    2. For my part, competition already exists. I use FedEx and UPS when their prices and service are useful and the Post Office when its prices and services are appropriate.

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  35. Government is the most expense and least efficient way to deliver any good or service. They have zero incentive to keep costs under control or their customers happy.

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  37. What part of “. . . the power to establish post offices and post roads . . .” are those who claim to support the Constitution and/or “original intent” of the Founding Fathers, now conveniently pretending to gap on?

    OR, if one wants to claim that the internet/email has relegated the USPS to the dust bin of history – Then municipal & rural high-speed broadband from coast to coast in accordance with the original intent of the Founding Fathers.

    (And to keep the current Telco & Cable behemoths in the Corporate Caliphate honest with real competition that would justify their obnoxiously high charges and sub-par, compared to even remote sparsely populated counties like Iceland, speeds.)

    1. Don’t think anyone has claimed the USPS is UN-Constitutional; but just because the Constitution grants a war authority doesn’t mean it has to use it ALL THE TIME! Nor does it have to establish Post Offices and Post Roads just because it can…

    2. Power in politics is the time derivative of capacity to kill. If mercantile companies set up competing post offices, none of which deliver to Leadville, Colorado, then Uncle Sammy can exercise the power, make a post road and deliver mail there, and woe betide all who interfere. It does not empower the government to murder all competitors and shut down private mail any more than the power to raise armies nullifies 2A. See stopgap.

  38. They should sell the USPS to Fed Ex, Amazon or UPS and use the profits to fund whatever pensions they still owe. The commercial carriers could easily turn a profit.

  39. Will delivery times really get longer, or will simply be getting more honest?

  40. New business plan? They have been providing bad service with increasing cost, at taxpayer’s expense, for over a century. They don’t need to plan. They need to dissolve.

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  42. There is an old Seinfeld episode where Cramer wants to opt out of the US mail. I want that option. Mail can be done electronically and packages by private FedEx, UPS, or whomever.

    Instead I get government sending a truck with junk into my mailbox and another government truck to haul it away in my recycling bin.

  43. Not going to argue privatizing the USPS, even though you all seem to forget the Constitution specifically calls for Congress to provide a postal service (and maybe you really do want to pay $4 to send a postcard by FedEx or UPS).

    No, I want to know, why is Louis DeJoy still postmaster general? That’s a glaring example of a campaign bundler rewarded with a fantasy job that he doesn’t really have any business doing.

  44. I am glad that my recycling bin is right next to my mailbox.
    99% of what I take out of the box go straight into the recycling.

  45. The USPS should farm out the vast majority of their services to private contractors.

    The private contractors should bid for contracts for very small regions such as a few mail routes and an office. The USPS would only oversee the contracts and the various Service Level Agreements.

    Small regions allows smaller private contractors to fulfill the services instead of just the large (Crony Capitalist) corporations.

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