Brickbat: Love Shack

An Oregon law has banned potential home buyers from writing "love letters" to sellers. With the housing market heating up, some buyers are hoping to beat rivals by sending the owners letters about how much they love the home and trying to make a personal connection by including information about and even photos of their family. But Oregon lawmakers fear that could lead to discrimination and have barred any communication between a buyer and seller that could reveal the "buyer's race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, national origin, marital status or familial status." "We are not impeding on their freedom of speech or written communication," said Democratic Rep. Mark Meek, sponsor of the law. "We are limiting transmission of communications that are not relevant and could potentially be breaking fair housing laws."

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[m4019597]

Fair housing laws are themselves discriminatory, by forcing homeowners to live near people they don’t want around.

Mortgage company bought up a few foreclosed homes from the last ghetto trash who couldn’t afford to live here. Now they’re renting those homes to ghetto trash.

I own. But now I’m forced to put up with these animals who couldn’t afford to live here, if they had to own. Goddamn animals.

Mortgage company would rather rent to better tenants and raise the rent, but fair housing means they can’t do that.

So they’re stuck and I’m stuck, unless I move. But why should I have to move, when ghetto trash shouldn’t even be here?

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Mortgage company would rather rent to better tenants and raise the rent, but fair housing means they can’t do that.

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[Noah]

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[Noah]

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[Kungpowderfinger]

Did A.I. just rear it’s head?

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[Gozer the Gozarian]

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[Davy C]

The original bill as introduced was as described. But the final bill that was signed says:

In order to help a seller avoid selecting a buyer based on the buyer’s race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, national origin, marital status or familial status as prohibited by the Fair Housing Act (42 U.S.C. 3601 et seq.), a seller’s agent shall reject any communication other than customary documents in a real estate transaction, including photographs, provided by a buyer.

That's a blanket ban, not a targeted one. I don't see how this could possibly be constitutional.

And this also seems ineffective. Any idiot determined to discriminate can just do a For Sale By Owner. The seller's agent can't reject communications if there isn't a seller's agent.

[Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland]

You see according to crt blacks are illiterate, and demonstrating basic knowledge is racist

[Jerry B.]

But "for sale by owner" allows, and pretty much forces, the seller to know the race, color, religion, etc. of the prospective buyer, and that's apparently a bad thing. I see more legislation in the offing.

[TangoDelta]

Occupational licensing, you want to sell your own house you need a license. Problem solved.

[Agammamon]

And buyers can just mail to the house address - very few people aren't living in the home they're selling.

[Kevin Smith]

And if they aren't I'm sure they have the mail forwarded

[Quo Usque Tandem]

"I don’t see how this could possibly be constitutional."

Any more than an eviction moratorium issued by the CDC was; but it's not about constitutionality, is it? No, it is about legislators and agencies doing whatever they can get away with and claiming that they have "good intentions."

Yeah, that road to hell and all.

[CE]

As the state legislator (and likely law school graduate) said, "we're not limiting their freedom of speech. We are "limiting transmission of communications that are not relevant..."

[RedvBlue]

That begs the question, is irrelevant speech protected?

[Fist of Etiquette]

"We are not impeding on their freedom of speech or written communication," said Democratic Rep. Mark Meek, sponsor of the law. "We are limiting transmission of communications that are not relevant and could potentially be breaking fair housing laws."

Well, there you have it. Totally constitutional.

[Jimothy]

Somebody get Rep. Meek a chiropractor, because those mental contortions must have been painful for him.

[Unicorn Abattoir]

"I support free speech but..."

[Earth Skeptic]

"Only when it supports MY goals and narratives. And never for THOSE people."

[Idaho Bob]

Oregon...Same state trying to ban meat.

[Will Nonya]

What type of nimrod would be swayed by this type of letter in the first place?

If I were weighing two offers and one sent me a letter to try an manipulate me guess which offer I'm not accepting?

The only thing I want to know about someone buying my house is that their check will clear...

[Brewing Liberty]

This strategy worked for me. We got outbid but the owner gave us an opportunity to match, which we did.

[CE]

They are very common in California. But people still sell to the highest bidder, especially if they bring cash.

[Slocum]

What type of nimrod would be swayed by this type of letter in the first place?

The type of nimrod who wanted to remain friends with soon-to-be-ex-neighbors? The kind of nimrod who has an inexplicable emotional connection with the house where they raised their children? Possibly some strange non-aspie person?

[Longtobefree]

Will someone research the procedure for ejecting a state from the USA?
Thanks.

[n00bdragon]

"We are not impeding on their freedom of speech or written communication," said Democratic Rep. Mark Meek, sponsor of the law. "We are limiting transmission of communications that are not relevant and could potentially be breaking fair housing laws."

It's funny that he clearly sees the Free Speech objections to this and just steamrolls over them anyway

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Behold the allure of government!

[Earth Skeptic]

And Science!

[Quo Usque Tandem]

“We are not impeding on their freedom of speech or written communication,” said Democratic Rep. Mark Meek, sponsor of the law.

No, “We are limiting transmission of communications that [we do not believe] are relevant..."

Mother fuckers are constantly at it, aren't they?

[CE]

The freedom of speech shall not be abridged, except when such speech is deemed irrelevant.

[Earth Skeptic]

Next for Oregon: banning the "selling" of homes, since demanding money for property is racist and promotes inequity. The state will soon allocate living rights based on intersectional fairness. Eager "buyers" can then write emotional letters about personal needs directly to Meek.

[Quo Usque Tandem]

And include pictures of their [hopefully] attractive children.

[Gasman]

Oregon presumes that both buyer and seller have agents. I've always sold my homes on my own. Even if I might not get every last dollar (and it's doubtful that agents add materially), I don't have to spend 6% of my sale price on the agents themselves.

Next, Oregon will be deciding that sex workers and clients will have to contract and perform sight unseen.

[Rossami]

"We are not impeding on their freedom of speech ..."

Yes, you are. Good lord, how much more obvious could it be? Can we please start holding these legislators personally liable for the legal defense costs when these kinds of stupid laws are challenged and overturned?

[Kevin Smith]

So how would something like this handle a seller meeting the buyer in person? When my wife and I were house shopping there were a few showings where the seller was home while we looked at the house. What about sales by owner?

[RedvBlue]

Time to put on those full body outfits with the pointy hoods..

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

But Oregon lawmakers fear that could lead to discrimination and have barred any communication between a buyer and seller that could reveal the "buyer's race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, national origin, marital status or familial status." "We are not impeding on their freedom of speech or written communication," said Democratic Rep. Mark Meek, sponsor of the law. "We are limiting transmission of communications that are not relevant and could potentially be breaking fair housing laws."

BOTH SIDES!

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Oh, by the way, the above is not a winnable argument.

There's currently a kerfuffle in the classical music world where auditions are done "blind". The player of the instrument performs their audition behind a screen and the judges are completely unaware of the race or sex of the performer. This way they judge purely on merit of the performance.

Critical race theorists have now demanded to "de-blind" the audition process because the results of the blind audition are, according to them, racist. The 'blinded' auditions have failed to lead to any increased diversity within the ranks of classical music orchestras, with few black people making the rolls. By 'de-blinding' the process, the judges can better pursue 'equity' in the judging process if they know what the race and gender is of the player.

[Malvolio]

Realistically, “blind” auditions are silly. You think you could not pick out Adele from her singing voice alone? Bob Dylan?
A professional cellist can recognize other professional cellists by their cello-playing.

[Roberta]

So then, theoretically buyer and seller shouldn't be allowed to meet until the deal is done.

How could any of these laws be enforced? Provoker agents and a duty to report, no doubt.

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