After Claiming It Didn't Have the Power To Impose A New Eviction Moratorium, the Biden Administration Imposes a New Eviction Moratorium
The new eviction moratorium applies to the 90 percent of counties in the U.S. where the spread of COVID-19 is "substantial" or "high."

After three days of finger-pointing between a Democrat-controlled White House and a Democrat-controlled Congress, President Joe Biden's Administration has now revived an eviction moratorium it previously said it has no legal authority to impose.
An order issued by the Centers for Disease Control and Protection (CDC) Tuesday evening generally bans the eviction of non-paying tenants in counties identified by the CDC as having "substantial" or "high" rates of COVID-19 transmission. About 90 percent of the counties in the country, per the CDC order, meet that definition.
"The emergence of the delta variant has led to a rapid acceleration of community transmission in the United States, putting more Americans at increased risk, especially if they are unvaccinated," said CDC Director Rochelle Walensky. "This moratorium is the right thing to do to keep people in their homes and out of congregate settings where COVID-19 spreads."
The new order covers any renter making up to $99,000 ($198,000 per couple) and who signs a hardship declaration stating that they have lost income, have tried to access government assistance, and would likely be made homeless or forced to move into a more crowded living situation.
This is little changed from the CDC's last eviction moratorium, which was first issued by the Trump administration in September 2020, and has since been extended multiple times.
On June 24, the CDC pushed back its eviction order's expiration date, which at the time was set at June 30, out to July 31. In a statement, the agency said that "this is intended to be the final extension of the moratorium." A few days later, the U.S. Supreme Court declined to take up an emergency petition from a group of Alabama realtors to hear their challenge to the CDC's order, effectively allowing the moratorium to stay in place.
Justice Brett Kavanaugh, one of five justices who essentially voted to keep the moratorium in place, issued a short opinion saying that he thought the CDC's order was illegal. Nevertheless, he said that it should be allowed to run its course given that it would expire in a few weeks anyway, and that those weeks would give more time for $46 billion in rental assistance funds to trickle out to tenants and landlords.
At the same, Kavanaugh wrote that "clear and specific congressional authorization (via new legislation) would be necessary for the CDC to extend the moratorium past July 31."
Because of that opinion, the Biden administration has been telling anyone who'll listen that it couldn't extend the moratorium on its own.
"To date, CDC Director Rochelle Walensky and her team have been unable to find legal authority for a new, targeted eviction moratorium," White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki said in a statement Monday
"The President has not only kicked the tires; he has double, triple, quadruple checked. He has asked the CDC to look at whether you could even do targeted eviction moratorium—that just went to the counties that have higher rates—and they, as well, have been unable to find the legal authority for even new, targeted eviction moratoriums," said White House advisor Gene Sperling at a press conference the same day.
That did little to mollify House Democrats who, instead of using their lawmaking powers to pass a more legally robust eviction moratorium, have been haranguing the Biden administration to extend its order.
One day after the moratorium expired, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D–Calif.) and other members of the Democratic leadership said that legislation extending the moratorium would never make it out of the Senate and therefore it was the White House's "moral imperative" to extend the order on its own. Rep. Cori Bush (D–Mo.) had even taken to sleeping on the Capitol steps in an effort to pressure the White House to extend its moratorium.
In the end, the pressure campaign worked.
Since it was first imposed, the CDC's eviction order has proven legally controversial. Some six federal courts have ruled against the moratorium, including the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals two weeks ago. Three other federal courts have upheld the moratorium.
The CDC has consistently argued that its eviction moratorium is justified by public health laws and related regulations giving it the power to take actions "reasonably necessary" to prevent the spread of communicable disease. Property owners have argued in numerous lawsuits that the agency is illegally claiming for itself near-limitless power to issue whatever regulations it wants.
"The new moratorium is an only slightly scaled-down version of the old. As such, it has virtually all the same flaws and legal vulnerabilities," wrote George Mason University law professor Ilya Somin earlier today at the Volokh Conspiracy (which is hosted by Reason). "The new version still must rely on a legal rationale giving the CDC virtually unlimited power to shut down any activity that might potentially facilitate the spread of disease in any way."
The new moratorium is supposed to last until October 3. Given that it's now been extended five times, there's no reason to assume that the White House is committed to sticking to that date.
The moratorium's extension gives the Supreme Court another opportunity to rule on the extent of the CDC's powers to ban evictions in the entire country.
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And yet Trump never defied court orders or wiped his ass with the Constitution like Biden does. Well, that's unfair because Joe can't even wipe his own ass, but those doing it for him certainly see the Constitution as something less than toilet paper, and this is but the latest example of it. The only "clowns" are the people who prefer this sort of outright tyranny to crass tweets.
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Thank god it's not the Bad Orange Man in office, otherwise the federal government would have had to obey court orders.
Republicans are worse.
- take your pick.
Apparently, we have a strange visitor from another planet.
sorry, that could have been clearer. I was referencing all the usual posters who cry “both sides”.
Finally Top Men can get the job done without being hamstrung by a lot of outdated laws created centuries ago.
"Thank god it’s not the Bad Orange Man in office" - As bright as a bag of MoonRocks
Korrect.
Lol are you the new slow kid in class? 😀
And Biden's excuse is that he doesn't want to overrule one of his flunkies. He wants to foster independence.
But only a little.
The buck does not stop on Biden's desk.
By the end of his term, the non-existent inflation will make that 75 cents
Optimist.
Looks like Biden didn't take Kavanaugh's warning seriously.
No offense...but I wouldn't either. Kavanaugh is a pussy.
His confirmation ordeal was the Dem's shock aversion training course.
Silly me for thinking that the bullshit he underwent would reduce his desire to be loved by those dolts.
He'll just kick the can down the road again...."It's only until October 3rd. It will give the government time to get it's shit together. We can all live with a little Constitutional violation for that long."
He's a coward and a statist and anyone who claims otherwise is an idiot. His whole life he's wanted to sit with the cool kids and now that he can he doesn't want to do anything to piss any of them off.
........as if Biden has any intention at all of lifting it right in the middle of the winter upswing. It's just a way to bridge the gap until the numbers start getting worse.
Last I checked concurring opinions are not binding precedent even when they are the decisive vote saying this is illegal and I will side with the minority if you pull this crap again.
Considering all he went through in his confirmation hearings, you’d think by now Kavanaugh would be wise to the inevitable backlash of overconfidence in his dicta…
"Kavanaugh’s warning " - Gregdn
Kavanaugh will be removed from the supreme court very soon for lying to congress during his confirmation hearings.
LOL!
Sterilize with fire.
How do you manage to tie your shoes? Slip-on?
I am caught between clicking the Mute User button and staring at the idiocy in amazement.
I'm holding off on the mute until I figure out who is behind this obvious sock.
I thought this only applied to landlords who had federally financed loans on their rental property. So the feds weasel it in as a condition of the loan. But if the landlord isn't dealing with Freddie or Fannie, then these stupid rules don't apply.
You would be incorrect: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/communication/Signed-CDC-Eviction-Order.pdf
Like I'm gonna read nineteen pages of legalese. Can you give me the Cliff Notes?
It applies everywhere the CDC declares COVID-19 to be a "significant" threat to all people who have made "best efforts" to obtain governmental assistance and who make less than 99k (198k for couples) and who sign a sheet of paper saying they can't pay and if they are evicted they will be left homeless.
Are there numbers as to how many have applied and how many of them have been approved?
There aren't, but that's because they don't need to be filed with any agency. You just hand it to your landlord and if they continue trying to evict you they go directly to jail and are financially destroyed.
Oh come on. There's a process. It's government so it's a long, time consuming process.
Again, you'd be wrong:
To qualify for the protections of this Order, a tenant, lessee, or resident of a residential property must provide a completed and signed copy of a declaration with the elements listed in the definition of “Covered person” to their landlord, owner of the residential property where they live, or other person who has a right to have them evicted or removed from where they live. To assist tenants and landlords, the CDC created a standardized declaration form that can be downloaded here: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/declaration-form.pdf.
Tenants, lessees, and residents of residential property are not obligated to use the CDC form. Any written document that an eligible tenant, lessee, or resident of residential property presents to their landlord will comply with this Order, as long as it contains the required elements of “Covered person” as described in this Order. In addition, tenants, lessees, and residents of residential property are allowed to declare in writing that they meet the elements of “Covered person” in other languages.
You CAN use their form, but you can scrawl your name in feces on a pizza box and its official.
ok... but that isn't sending the landlord to jail.
It isn't financially destroying the landlord other than depriving him of revenue from that particular unit.
Nobody's gone to court yet.
So I guess all mom and pop landlords are “rich” and can “afford it”.
"It isn’t financially destroying the landlord other than depriving him of revenue from that particular unit...."
sarc believes there's a condition whereby some woman is 'just a little bit pregnant'.
He shows up daily to prove how stupid someone can be.
"It isn’t financially destroying the landlord other than depriving him of revenue from that particular unit." Wait, what? That's the definition of financially destroying the landlord. Are you privy to the financials of all landlords? Is there a provision that says not too many tenants can claim this on any one landlord? WTF?
Hello? You're supposed to call me a dummy and explain how I'm wrong.
Do you really need that level of spoon feeding?
CRIMINAL PENALTIES
Under 18 U.S.C. 3559, 3571; 42 U.S.C. 271; and 42 CFR 70.18, a person violating this Order may be subject to a fine of no more than $100,000 or one year in jail, or both, if the violation does not result in a death, or a fine of no more than $250,000 or one year in jail, or both if the violation results in a death, or as otherwise provided by law. An organization violating this Order may be subject to a fine of no more than $200,000 per event if the violation does not result in a death or $500,000 per event if the violation results in a death or as otherwise provided by law. The U.S. Department of Justice may initiate criminal proceedings as appropriate seeking imposition of these criminal penalties.
Does this happen before or after they go to court? You talk as if it's an automatic thing. It's not.
The PROCESS is a big part of the PUNISHMENT.
Even if the landlord pays no fines...their lawyers aren't free.
The process is the punishment. Lowercase libertarian one oh one.
Seeing as you already recognize it...
Hello? Do you need duct cleaning?
Sometimes I listen to NPR while driving, and there recently was a sob piece about landlords unable to pay their bills because the tenants they couldn't evict were waiting on government checks.
The government checks are being forwarded through the renter's bank accounts. It is totally dependent on the renter taking action for the government loan. The deadbeats not paying rent aren't going to take the time to go down to a bank and apply for a loan that doesn't help them, but only the landlord.
You are free to actually learn this stuff if you are truly interested. But you appear to not want to.
I unmuted you out of curiosity a day or two ago, and you're no longer accusing me of having sex with my eleven year old daughter. Probably a fluke.
Democrats would rather sleep on the capital steps than either pass legislation or get the process of providing rent relief working properly, because it makes a better photo op. Also, if folks actually get the rent relief and pay their landlords off, there's no crisis to play up, in violation of The Rahm Rule.
Napoleon Bonaparte famously declared: "Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence."
That's a version of Hanlon's Razor.
QI has found no substantive support for ascribing the statement to Napoleon Bonaparte. - The Quote Investigator
And nobody directly quoted Robin Hood saying "Anyone who says 'easy as taking candy from a baby' has never tried to take candy from a baby."
Does the truth lie in the authenticity? Would you say that saying is false because you wait until the baby is asleep?
It does not appear that he is smart enough to know what Hanlon's Razor is.
That's probably because unlike Napoleon, Robin Hood is a fictional character.
"...You are free to actually learn this stuff if you are truly interested. But you appear to not want to."
He's hoping people here will buy into his slobbering Joe defense.
The landlords have undoubtedly been wronged here. It's not like the renters haven't been given comically lavish welfare benefits the last year or so.
The cliff notes is it applies to everyone.
Rent a room out in your house - you can't evict the deadbeat.
LOL. 19 pages of big type is too much of a strain for some.
You can read the cliff notes in the other thread where they were posted.
It applies to all regions considered yellow or read, which if I remember was 50 cases in 1000 for population, which covers approx 70% of the country at the moment.
Failure to abide results into fines and jail time.
"But if the landlord isn’t dealing with Freddie or Fannie, then these stupid rules don’t apply." - sarcasmic
What America needs most is 30 million homeless people during a global pandemic.
LOL!
What we need is to be left alone without nanny state hypochondriachs ruining the economy over a new cold.
"What America needs most is 30 million homeless people during a global pandemic."
If it's a true emergency, then Congress can step in and make rent payments for these people. That wouldn't be unconstitutional. The current moratorium is obviously unconstitutional and is a direct takings without just compensation from people.
"30 million homeless people"
Really though, aren't your buddies in california working on that?
A victory for the Social Justice Tenant demographic. More money in their pockets for fentanyl.
Claiming he didn't have the power, and then doing it anyway? This all sounds so familiar. Like I've heard it from a Democratic president in the recent past...
Biden says he doesn't have the power, then does it anyway. Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh says that it's illegal, but can continue. Why does it seem like this nation is dis-integrating. That's why.
"Claiming he didn’t have the power, and then doing it anyway?" - OneCorn
You should sue. By the time you reach court, the problem will have been resolved.
Checkmate. You lose.
"Checkmate. You lose."
That's exactly correct. It's a classic example of governmental authoritarianism and corruption. Utilizing the slowness of the court system to illegally reward an ingroup at the expense of an outgroup. This kind of behavior is normal in the third world, particularly South America and Africa.
President Biden is explicitly defying a Supreme Court ruling by assuming authority his office has been ruled not to have. It may be a somewhat petty issue except in scope, but it is a constitutional crisis
The US almost kicked out a sitting President due to lying about a blowjob.
Wow. You had to dig deep for that whataboutism. Well done.
SCOTUS couldn't make Andy Jackson obey. His probably legendary reply to the majority opinion in Worcester v Georgia b was John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it. Then we got the Trail of Tears.
Andrew Jackson, Democrat, ignoring SCOTUS to perform unconstitutional acts. Yep, the story checks out!
I agree. We need a roach exterminator
Using Clinton to deflect abuses of Biden? Whataboutism? It was neither intended not does it apply. The crux of the post was that Biden should take care. The courts don’t like being made sport of, even if it is the emperor doing it.
While it may not be relevant to morons, Billy Bob could have simply told the truth under oath about the blow job and it wouldn't have resulted in anything.
However, as it turns out, lying under oath is actually considered a pretty big crime. Also, as it turns out, it's perfectly fine for a President to lie under oath as long as it's something petty. Obviously, if they will lie about something petty under oath there is NO WAY they would ever lie about something big under oath.
If you want to see some comedy gold, so watch some ancient video of Billy Bob discussing the meaning of 'is'.
Due to lying under oath under a workplace sexual harassment law regime he supported.
"but it is a constitutional crisis" - Rat Boy
No it isn't.
But the pandemic is a crisis, and 30 million homeless Americans during a pandemic, would be a crisis.
So why are you trying to make the crisis larger?
Are you a traitor to your own country?
Did you lose one of your fat walrus family members to covid or why are you so eminently butthurt? 😀
"30 million homeless"
Cuntifornia is working on it, venditard. 😉
Wait, where's Sullum? I was assured that it was *Trump* who was the threat to democracy, was a fascist, who would act illegally in office, and that we needed to do what we needed to do to get Trump out and that Biden was an acceptable alternative in the circumstances.
Yet its looking like Biden is continuing Trump's policies and now is openly acting illegally.
'Wrong, but within normal parameters' indeed.
Sullum is somewhere in the food locker looking for those strawberries.
Elect a fascist administration, get fascism.
I am shocked, shocked!
^^^
Oh, ***SO*** this.
Hey now, once again nobody knew Joe Biden had a campaign website where he basically outlined what he would actually do. It isn't upon reporters to figure out that he had a campaign website. It was more important to focus on twitter and the tone of tweets executed by Biden.
.....tone of tweets executed /b/y/ on behalf of Biden.... seemed more likely.
To be fair, it wasn't the voters that elected this regime.
^^^ 😉 ^^^
Well, sure, because they outright confirmed it earlier this year: "a well-funded cabal of powerful people, ranging across industries and ideologies, working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information.”
"Elect a Trump administration, get fascism." - Nevertobefree
There I fixed it for you.
Actually, if you ever pulled your nose out of Biden's brown-eye boy-hole you'd have got a whiff of an actual increase in personal and economic freedom with Trump.
Sorry, the bad orange man. It's ok pumpkin, he's gone now.
Congratulations to all who voted for this senile shitweasel and his band of merry neo marxist assholes.
Officially the worst president ever.
Thank god I voted for JoJo. The other two choices were land grabbers.
Trump: Steal the homes of old ladies so I can build a casino.
Biden: Steal the rent from landlords so the progressives can see me "solve" this problem.
Wow. there is no level of dishonesty you won't stoop to.
Nope.
TDS-addled asshole Brandyshit is bound and determined to justify his adolescent focus on personality.
He'll happily stoop to turd-level mendacity to the attempt to divert attention from his idiotic hate of Trump.
A week or so ago, when we got the article regarding slobbering Joe re-instating the shower head regulation which Trump had rescinded, Brandyshit equated the two, claiming removing a regulation is the same as adding one.
Don’t imminent domain cases require the government to take the land before they pass it on to the
publicpolitically connected group for private use? And at least they’re supposed to get paid fair market value. I doubt any landlords see one penny from the tenants or the government.And the government can’t just take property be decree in eminent domain cases. There is actually a procedure subject to appeal. Flawed as it is, that doesn’t begin to compare to this bullshit.
But hey, it’s Brandybuck, so what did we expect?
Ale from The Prancing Pony?
Of which we could all use some now.... at the appropriate price - the innkeeper needs to be paid too!
"...But hey, it’s Brandybuck, so what did we expect?..."
Lies from a TDS-addled asshole, of course.
"Biden: Steal the rent from landlords " - BrandyLiarBuck
What fools like you don't know is that congress has made available to the states sufficient money needed to pay those rents.
So why are you lying about it?
I, government almighty, drain your income for a month or two by telling your clients they dont have to pay you. Then I decide out of my highest benevolence that i will give you someone elses money (tax payers) after giving you a hard time. Because i fucking put you in your place and showed you who is boss.
Of course you would never call me a thief for draining your income or giving you someone elses money, because you are a defeated, bootlicking disgrace.
"BoTh SiDeZ!"
What a pussy.
And after Obumah! and Drumpf, that's saying something!
Fuck Trump and Biden.
Sarc or stupidity?
Neither, it's the observation that the Trump admin put this policy in place and the Biden admin continues it. Land grabbing communist can all fuck off and die.
I, Joseph Underdunk Biden, do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
The man is now openly bragging of ignoring his oath. He needs to either resign because he is unable to execute his sworn duty, or he needs to be removed from office.
All hail president Harris!
"Aye, there's the rub"
Admitting to low ability. Inability to tell his favorite people "no".
Remove them all.
To be fair, you really think he can remember as far back as January?
"The man is now openly bragging of ignoring his oath." - swill
No he isn't. You are just too stupid to realize that you are lying.
That is mighty Republican of you.
Do. You. Speak. English. You. Stupid. Twit?
I'm gonna explain this for Venditard:
Biden's oath contained upholding the U.S. Constitution. Now he does something he himself admitted is unconstitutional, but he does it anyways. Contradiction. Unless you have dementia I guess.
Lying Prog Bastards.
But then again, what do you expect?
Lying Prog Bastards
Wow, a double redundancy! Impressive!
+1 !
Housing shortage. The more you punish landlords the more housing shortage you get. The more you punish developers the more housing shortage you get.
The housing shortage isn't an unintended consequence, it's a fully anticipated result. Now government has the excuse to tax more to fund more projects to "solve" the problem.
Zactly.
Homeowners don't want to see the value of their property plummet, and that's exactly what will happen if new housing is allowed near them! So of course we must ban new housing because if we allowed more houses then homeowners would be hurt! It's all to protect homeowners!
This is usually part of a one two punch of raising property taxes. Like to the point where if you inherit grandma's house, you need the equivalent of a ten dollar an hour job just to pay the tax bill. If you're not an established professional then you can't. So you sell to someone who is. And the city's image improves.
You must be proud. You helped get Biden elected. We’re so much better off now.
Or, you could turn Gramma's one-family into a duplex or triplex, which was a very popular thing to do in cities with factory jobs in the last century. The "raised cottage" aka Milwaukee's "Polish flat" provided rental income and could be converted back into a single unit home if and when the family could use the space and was prosperous enough to be able to do without a tenant. Try to do that nowadays and you won't be able to pull the permits for the remodel. NIMBYs who don't want multiple-unit structures in the neighborhood will keep your duplex zoned out. Architecture snobs who want to enforce historical district rules on you will try to shut you down and your 19-whatever bungalow will have to have everything upgraded to the 2021 code + ADA rules. Ghu help you if you hope to convert into a boarding house!
Ridiculous. Government doesn't need your taxes to fund anything. Taxes exist solely to punish undesirables. If I had to guess, this is a precursor to nationalizing rental properties.
Precursor to trying our own great leap forward.
Short of outright nationalizing, it'll end up concentrating rental housing in the hands of some favored mega-corps. Probably the same shitty companies that have the contracts for government "privatized housing" on military bases.
Then the next step will be kicking you out of your house if you express undesirable opinions, because you have a right to free speech, but the big corporation that owns your house has a right to not rent to 'racists'.
Because "private companies."
Blackrock, I think
You will own nothing and like it.
"Housing shortage. The more you punish landlords the more housing shortage you get. The more you punish developers the more housing shortage you get..."
But TRUMP!, right Brandyshit?
"The more you punish landlords" - LyingBrandy
I wasn't aware that providing landloards billions in rent payments from the federal government was "punishment".
You must eat your own excrement.
You mean... Money that hasn't reached then and is contingent on landlords accepting fed-level rent controls and hardship clients while surrendering the right to control their own property?
Yes. Very helpful.
Like I said in my other response to this monumentally retarded creature: venditard must think that draining a landlords income randomly and then compensating them with someone else's money makes one a benefactor, not a serial thief.
I think he is real and not a suckpuppet. He really strikes me as the new slow kid in class. And like all the other ones before him, he will drop out after realizing that he can't keep up at all. Lol, I bet when he signed up he thought something like "I'm gonna own these evil right-wing trolls, they have never seen someone as witty as me!" 😀
pretty sure it is Queen Analeaze
I learned the term "shitweasel" today. Such a loving nickname. I hope to use it soon.
Only an asshat would call someone a shitweasel, unless they had a bag of dicks.
What else does one serve, should the shitweasels come calling?
think it came from a Stephen King book
Dreamcatcher
King is a poet.
In a just world he would be immediately impeached
This is an illegal, immoral theft, and every leftist applauding it are complete scum.
"In a just world he would be immediately impeached" - festering esteve7
Impeached for preventing 30 million Americans from becoming homeless?
You be a stupid boy.
Read the consitution when you're done giving Cuomo a rimjob.
Ironically; It's all the Democratic Cities loaded up with "Homeless".
Gov-Gun-Forces DOES NOT create wealth.
I told him, California has taken the job. They haven't hit 30 million YET. But they're working on with a devotion that is so pure and admirable... it's just beautiful to me.
Related--Israel is considering going back in to lockdown status.
Fat lot of good getting all those people vaccinated did them. What's the benefit of getting the shot, again?
less severe symptoms and a lower chance of spreading or contracting it.
Do you not understand how vaccines work?
Do you not understand how vaccines work?
The majority of people are vaccinated, yet the lockdowns continue. Apparently, they don't work.
the lockdowns have nothing to do with that.
We could be 100% vaccinated with one person sniffling (Australia) and these leftist tyrants would keep stealing your freedom and property
"We could be 100% vaccinated with one person sniffling (Australia) and these leftist tyrants would keep stealing your freedom and property" - festering esteve7
Since no property or freedom has been stolen, moral, thinking people in the real world are wondering how much of your own dung you ate for breakfast.
"Since no property or freedom has been stolen"
Nuh, they were just taken away from the owners without permission. Wait, what does the dictionary say that is again...? Does this fuckface speak English though?
>>less severe symptoms and a lower chance of spreading or contracting it
vague & ambiguous
you realize every shot is like that, right? Or do you not get the flu shot every year because it's not 100% and you might have a sore arm afterwards?
I don't get a flu shot because I don't want a flu shot. America?
Then you are dumb.
You are free to be dumb, you're just dumb
never claimed otherwise. and has little to do with whether I need flu or covid shots.
well you should want it to decrease your symptoms and chance of getting it
and you also should want it to help protect those who cannot get the vaccine.
The whole point of vaccinating kids in school is to protect sick kids who can't get a vaccine and depend on everyone else not getting it
But being vaccinated doesn't protect people, so I'm told by people who demand the vaccinated wear masks indoors.
you are smarter than that.
There are whole epidemics of freaking whooping cough among the lefty rich brats in Southern California because they don't get their kids vaccinated.
Then the kid with the immune disorder or the kid going through Chemo is more likely to get it becuase all of these other kids are more likely to get it.
This isn't hard
"This isn’t hard"
Correct:
NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.
See how easy that is, even for nosy pieces of shit like you?
You are free to be a steaming pile of lefty shit sticking your nose where it is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS, asshole.
"I don’t get a flu shot because I don’t want a flu shot. America?" - Dillinger.
Then die in ignorance.
promise you'll be the first person I tell after I die of the flu.
Lol, free people tend to have a pretty nice life before they die. Chances are they enjoy 10 years of their lifetime more than vanquished failures enjoy 50 of theirs.
You can tell, because failures like you are ready to hide under a rock for years in the face of a little virus with a lethality on par with the flu. I'm really happy I'm not you now that I'm thinking about it.
The flu shot has an efficacy rate of 40% in its best year, 13% in an average year, and 2% in its worst year. So if you are young, healthy, have an adequate vitamin d level, and not obese, then it is perfectly reasonable to forego a flu shot every year. Believe it or not, there are many healthy and smart people in this country who are capable of doing their own risk assessments. But apparently there's an even greater number of not-so-smart people who pay no attention to risk factors or efficacy rates and instead regurgitate what they hear on TV from commercials funded by pharmaceutical companies.
"So if you are young, healthy, have an adequate vitamin d level, and not obese, then it is perfectly reasonable to forego a flu shot every year. "
No, it is not. This is a basic risk analysis. A chance at making the flu (or Covid) less likely or less severe for what... a minor inconvenience?
The entire god-damned point of a vaccine isn't to help the healthy people that have it, it's to help those that are not healthy and/or unable to take the vaccine. The goal is to limit spread as much as possible to keep those safer.
There are clusters of whooping cough in LA because preppy libtards don't vaccinate their kids. That is life threatening to children who have compromised immune systems. Not every kid can take the vaccine, because of a disorder, or chemo, or whatever, so every other possible kid needs to get it to protect the kid that can't get the shot.
This isn't that damned difficult. Vaccines work, and their benefits vastly overshadow the costs. If you've done the so called risk assessment, assuming you don't have any underlying condition, and you still don't get the vaccine, you are no better than the libtard who still believes in the wage gap, or the parent who won't let their kid go on a roller coaster because it is "dangerous"
Sorry:
NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS!
Get that through your head and we can discuss the issue. Until then, you're just one more statist POS.
Did I ever say I think they should be mandatory or enforced or anything like that?
The benefits of a Covid Vaccine, a Flu Shot, etc, vastly outweigh any costs by orders of magnitude. I'm not saying you *must* get it, I'm saying you *should* get it and you should *want* to get it.
If you don't want to get it after performing a risk analysis, then you are a dumbass and I question your ability to do a basic risk analysis. You have the right to be a dumbass, but you are still a dumbass.
"Did I ever say I think they should be mandatory or enforced or anything like that?..."
No, you made this comment:
"...A chance at making the flu (or Covid) less likely or less severe for what… a minor inconvenience?..."
Let me repeat: What you choose as a 'minor inconvenience' is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS, asshole.
Again, I do my own risk assessment. Do I take a 13% effective flu shot, when I have a 99.999% chance of surviving the flu anyway, to lower my absolute risk exactly zero? No. I just stay home when I'm sick. It seems to me that you are advocating for the abolition of a human being's right to accept or refuse medical treatment.
You are a dumbass because you are incapable of performing an extremely basic risk analysis. You also fail at basic reading comprehension. I never once said you must get the vaccine or advocated getting it against your will. I'm saying you are dumb for not wanting to get it in the first place, as a basic risk analysis easily concludes the benefits far outweigh the costs, by several orders of magnitude.
You also fail because the benefits of a vaccine are not simply "you won't die". I have not taken a single vaccine because I'm worried of death as I am fortune to be in good health currently.
Benefits:
* Decreased severity if contracting the disease
* Decreased Chance of contracting the disease
** Which also means a decreased chance of giving it to others
*** Which also helps protect those UNABLE TO GET THE VACCINE
**** Those unable to get it are literally the most vulnerable
Costs:
* A couple bucks, maybe
* Some time to get it
* Possible Side Effects
* Possibly ineffective and you contract it anyway (although milder)
Oh, and I should point out, I had a severe reaction to the Pfizer vaccine and went to the emergency room due to chest pains and shortness of breath. I was also out of it for a few days and had trouble walking to the other side of the house without feeling disoriented.
Even after all that, I would still get the vaccine again because the benefits to me and others would still vastly outweigh the costs.
I really don't care about your personal analysis nor your reaction to the vaccine.Fuck off and die, slaver.
I repeat: NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. Is that so hard that you are incapable of understanding it? Are you some fucking 6th-grade government-school idiot?
NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.
Fuck off and die, slaver.
You really must not have read anything I wrote up there. Are you incapable of understanding the difference between "you should" and "you must", on a freaking libertarian site.
You are a complete idiot and a dumbass if you choose not to get the vaccine. There is no rational basis not too unless you have some underlying medical condition. Otherwise you are just an idiot who can't do basic math. You are free to be an idiot, but you are still an idiot.
You are seemingly too stupid to understand the simple comment
IT IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS, NOSY ASSHOLE.
Fuck off and die, slaver.
what is wrong with you? You are acting like a child, screaming "don't tell me what to do, DAD!".
I have not once advocated any state solution to this or any mandatory anything, so "fuck off and die, slaver" is horribly misplaced. You don't seem to understand what a "slaver" is. A "slaver" is not someone giving you an opinion you don't like.
No, I am saying their is no rational basis for your position, and there is no reason in your argument. You are basing everything off of "don't tell me what to do". What an adult.
"You really must not have read anything I wrote up there. Are you incapable of understanding the difference between “you should” and “you must”, on a freaking libertarian site."
I've read every bit of the bullshit you've posted ad understand the difference. You, as a nosy piece of shit, have yet to understand that the issue of what people choose to do is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. And, indeed, YOU SHOULD STFU.
I fully realize that asshole nosy nannies find that very hard to accept and assume you are stupid enough to have it fly right over your head.
"You are a complete idiot and a dumbass if you choose not to get the vaccine. There is no rational basis not too unless you have some underlying medical condition. Otherwise you are just an"
NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS, nosy asshole. Is that clear?
OMFG are you serious? All you can do is keep shouting "it's none of your business"?
I have asked you for your rational and thought process, and it makes no sense. Sorry you can't handle being called out for your idiocy.
You are just making a fool of yourself who can't do a basic analysis. Please don't come complaining to me or ask me to bail you out for your bad decisions, like a "lefty pile of shit".
The nosy asshole esteve is obviously convinced that his oh-so-correct analysis is of such importance that any personal considerations should yield to his oh-so-correct analysis.
The nosy asshole esteve doesn't seem to accept that nosy assholes tend to run up against those who find nosy assholes to be assholic and tell them IT'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS, ASSHOLE.
Perhaps that might get the nosy asshole's attention.
Lol, again you can't understand the difference between forcing you do to something and saying you should do something. On a freaking libertarian site.
If you want to be a dumbass and idiotically choose not to get a vaccine with obvious benefits when the costs are low, then you have that right. Enjoy being wrong.
"LOL"? Really? Call mommy for a sandwich.
Regardless, why are lefty shits not capable of understanding the simple concept:
NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS?
Perhaps they all assume they are capable of telling us what we should all do? Perhaps first by claiming they know better and that this is only a suggestion. Perhaps by then making it a requirement to do this and that? And finally simply mandating it.
Let's try one more time, incipient pile of lefty shit:
IT IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.
Is that clear?
you've really lost it if you think I'm a "lefty pile of shit". Please find any comment on this site ever that would make you think that.
You are not being a reasonable or rational person in rejecting the vaccine. You are just screaming like a little kid.
Again, I have never said you must get it. Don't get it if you want. You are free to be an irrational dumbass. Just don't come crying to me later like a "lefty piece of shit" who wants a bailout for their bad decisions.
"you’ve really lost it if you think I’m a “lefty pile of shit”. Please find any comment on this site ever that would make you think that."
Pretty much your entire opus this evening. Yeah, we've all heard the excuse that 'we don't mean to force anyone, yada, yada.
Suffice to say, you are full of shit.
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"You are not being a reasonable or rational person in rejecting the vaccine. You are just screaming like a little kid."
As a nosy asshole, you seemed to have missed the fact that nowhere did i 'reject the vaccine'; I rejected self-important assholes like you sticking their noses in personal choices: I know assholes like you find this hard to accept, but it is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS, asshole.
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"Again, I have never said you must get it. Don’t get it if you want. You are free to be an irrational dumbass. Just don’t come crying to me later like a “lefty piece of shit” who wants a bailout for their bad decisions."
And nosy assholes like are welcome to whine, drag strawmen around (knew THAT was coming, lefty shit) and get called on their bullshit.
As you have.
You shouldn't take Cocaine
/ IT'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!
Ok. But you shouldn't take Cocaine
/IT'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!
Ok. But you really shouldn't take Cocaine
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JFC Sevo. All you can do is shout it's none of my business and call me a slaver (horribly misplaced).
My opinion that people should get the vaccine is a valid one. If you choose not to get it, that's on you. You're just dumb for not wanting it in the first place
And stop acting like I'm here to oppress you with my opinions. For the 10th time, I'm not advocating anything to be mandatory or whatever. That's for the left to do.
You have personal choice, and are free to do as you wish. And I am free to say you are making a dumb choice.
Fuck off and die, steaming pile of lefty shit.
You lose, asshole.
Pretty sure you lost, since you can't defend your position except to tell me it's none of my business. Zero rationale or reason, so that's all you have to fall back on.
You are lucky I support your right to be wrong, and don't want to persecute you for refusing the vaccine, like the true "lefty pieces of shit". Unlike them, I believe in personal responsibility, and dealing with the consequences of your own actions.
Just trying to help you out, and please don't come crying to me later.
"Pretty sure you lost, since you can’t defend your position except to tell me it’s none of my business."
No, nosy pile of lefty shit, you lost simply because you are incapable of accepting that nosy assholes like you are but the sharp end of lefties making sure we all live like nosy assholes like you desire
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Just trying to help you out, and please don’t come crying to me later...'
'For the benefit of the common good', right?
Or 'for your benefit'?
Or for every other excuse every pile of lefty shit has proposed from the Jacobins.
It NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. Fuck off and die.
Dude, seriously. Believing that vaccines work and people under normal circumstances *should* take them it's not being leftist, nor is believing in personal choice. How much more ass-backwards can you get?
You sound like a leftist with a freakin victim complex. I'm not here to oppress you, I'm here to give you advice. You should take the vaccine. There is no rational not to. If you don't you are being dumb. That is my opinion.
To the not-Sevo's out there: Vaccines work. Their benefits vastly outweigh the costs. You are free to choose not to take them. It is my option that you should. Do with that what you will.
Dude, seriously. Believing that vaccines work and people under normal circumstances *should* take them it’s not being leftist, nor is believing in personal choice. How much more ass-backwards can you get?
Asshole, seriously. Believing any of that is YOUR BUSINESS, ASSHOLE is assholic lefty shit.
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"You sound like a leftist with a freakin victim complex. I’m not here to oppress you, I’m here to give you advice. You should take the vaccine. There is no rational not to. If you don’t you are being dumb. That is my opinion."
You *ARE* a fucking lefty piece of shit who has yet to accept what an asshole you are. That is not an opinion, it is a fact.
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To the not-Sevo’s out there: Vaccines work. Their benefits vastly outweigh the costs. You are free to choose not to take them. It is my option that you should. Do with that what you will.
Sevo what is wrong with you? Are you being this crude and disagreeable on purpose? Why are you so defensive about the opinion that Vaccines work and people should take them.
You're advocating that no one can even give their opinion on anything because nothing is anyone's business. Not just that they don't have the right to force you to do X, they don't even have the right to talk about X.
You are that defensive over your position because it is indefensible, illogical, and devoid of reason. If you were truly confident you wouldn't need to keep screaming over and over. Telling for me to just shut up is the same lefty tactic of calling everything they disagree with as "violence".
Let's be clear here:
esteve, who (it seems) claims some acquaintance with libertarianism, seems to find it entirely appropriate to stick his nose into purely personal decisions, since esteve claims to know better than you on how to make those decisions.
Now, please note that while esteve has yet to demand mandates to accomplish that which esteve desires, every request the asshole STFU has simply resulted in further claims of superior knowledge.
esteve? Stuff it up your ass.
So anyone giving you advice or an opinion is "sticking his nose into purely personal decisions"?
You really have a problem with someone disagreeing with you. You really must not be able to defend your position is this is all the crap you fall back on
"So anyone giving you advice or an opinion is “sticking his nose into purely personal decisions”?
So those telling you it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS suggests you should STFU, lefty shit?
To all the "Not Sevos" out there:
Vaccines work, you should get them. Their benefits vastly outweigh the costs. You are free to choose not to get them. In my option it is irrational and illogical not to.
esteve7
August.5.2021 at 12:43 am
"Dude, seriously. Believing that vaccines work and people under normal circumstances *should* take them it’s not being leftist, nor is believing in personal choice. How much more ass-backwards can you get?"
Nosy asshole, assuming my beliefs simply shows you to be an ignoramus.
Sticking your nose into personal choices simply shows you (revealed preference) to be a lefty shit, regardless of your claims.
Like turd, do you hope people can't READ?
To all *not* nosy assholes:
Make the choice you prefer and ignore nosy assholes like this one.
So if I were to tell you to not use Cocaine, would you also tell me it's none of my business?
Coming from an assholish nosy piece of shit, why would I care?
Fuck off and die.
I hope you are not this way in real life when anyone else gives you advice or states their opinion.
"To all the “Not Sevos” out there:...:
To all the nosy assholes out there: Fuck off.
Yeah, joining in with the 'fuck off slaver' crew here.
The vaccine is UNKNOWN. No long term studies for the technology, much less the specific apllication. Can't sue if our participation in the drug trial goes bad.
Covid is a cold. Weigh the risks and I'd rather get sick and come out with a natural resistance.
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"The entire god-damned point of a vaccine isn’t to help the healthy people that have it, it’s to help those that are not healthy and/or unable to take the vaccine. "
Absolute unadulterated horseshit.
We vaccinate the at-risk population for flu every year and that includes the elderly and unhealthy. Not to protect the very few people who cannot take the vaccine but to protect those who can.
You cannot retcon reality to suit your current rhetorical desires.
At least you can't and not be thought an intellectually dishonest hack.
So fuck off, you intellectually dishonest hack.
That is complete nonsense.
There are kids in school that can't get vaccines for things. You vaccinate the other kids to protect the kids that can't get it.
Why is this so hard to understand?
I mean, seriously ThomasD. Are you so fortunate as to not have had any family or friends in that situation?
I have had coworkers, family members, and have known children that have had cancer and gone through Chemo. Because of their weakened immune system they were unable to get a vaccine to protect themselves. They only think they can do is try to not catch it from others.
By making it harder for you or someone else to get a disease, you protect them by decreasing the chance they are exposed to someone with it.
Again, this isn't fucking hard. Are you just intentionally being a dishonest dumbass?
"there are many healthy and smart people in this country who are capable of doing their own risk assessments. " - Kaye FlluSeed
And you aren't one of them..
Fuck off, asshole.
Wow, that was a great argument. Good job!
I don't get the flu shot because it's always a poor guess at the mutation. Pass on the annual Thimerosol dose and pharma subsidy.
you know this all could have been avoided if we counted only legitimate votes in the last election
"you know this all could have been avoided if we counted only white votes in the last election " - Dillinger
There... I fixed it for you.
what's a white vote?
a vote he doesn't like, regardless of the actual skin color of the person
John Roberts has made his decision, now let him enforce it.
Seriously, this is for all intents and purposes, contempt of court. The Supreme Court needs to call Biden to task sua sponte for knowingly and explicitly enacting an unconstitutional regulation.
You can get away with murder with the press in your pocket.
^^^^^^
+++
Cuomo has managed to so far.
and you can get away with child molestation if a Libertarian Government is in power.
New kid's got issues.
New kid's gonna get tired of dragging strawmen around.
VendicarD
Fuck off, asshole.
I am absolutely not for impeachments that are sure to go nowhere but...
A president blatantly saying they know what they are doing is unconstitutional, but they'll just do it anyways because the court battle will allow the unconstitutional thing to happen for a while longer? Seriously this is OK?
The guys main job is to uphold the constitution. First and foremost. I'm not saying we have to do an unnecessary impeachment trial that will go nowhere, but if this doesn't give you pause, you should probably examine your own partisan bias
Well, if there were an impeachment over this, it would be Trump they impeached.
i generally hate the "what if trump did this"
they impeached trump over BS reasons because they couldn't get over hillary losing to him.
Biden flat out says I'm going to knowingly violate the constitution because I can should cause him to be impeached immediately.
I generally hate nosy assholes who do not understand that there are issues which are NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS and find no reason to exclude this nosy asshole.
"they impeached trump over BS" - festering esteve7
LOL. You need to stop eating your own dung, boy.
Facts said what?
>>The guys main job is to uphold the constitution
the party B represents pees on the constitution and the opposition party taps for them when finished.
NO QUE MALA!
what the eff does that mean????
Welcome to the United States, not estados unodados or something.
Sound it out...
Ah, but THIS order only covers 99% of landlords, not 100%, so it is completely different. It will take at least another year or two until SCOTUS can strike this order down as well.
sarc is making that claim 'way up thread. Seriously, it seems.
After Claiming It Didn't Have the Power To Impose A New Eviction Moratorium, the Biden Administration Imposes a New Eviction Moratorium
More proof Biden is just a puppet.
"More proof Biden is just a puppet of bigfoot and the grey aliens." - Liberty Loser
Well said Libertarian boy.
If you like your goverment lines and no wrongthink, you can try China.
What if a landlord ignores Biden's order and moves to evict the tenet? Will the courts side with the Biden or SCOTUS?
Seems to me that this is going to screw people who think they will have protection.
since evictions play out in county court houses (rather than federal)...it seems to me that some judges could just start ignoring those CDC orders. County sherriff's could also ignore the CDC order and serve the eviction notices once through court.
Or even so, when it does finally expire. It can't last forever, even if they want to roll it into a housing welfare system they can't. They can't even get the votes to extend it under the guise of it being somehow COVID related. But the longer it goes on, the higher rent has to be on people paying, and thus the more people will default, and thus the bigger the market disruption will be when it comes to a crashing halt. Housing prices are already insane... major cities are going to be flooded with homlessness.
And somehow I'm sure capitalism will be blamed.
"What if a landlord ignores Biden’s order" - Tricky Old Fool
There will be a courts case. Pending the case, the eviction notice will be ordered to be withdrawn and in 2 to 3 years the case will be resolved, long after the federal eviction policy will have been withdrawn.
Win... Win..
""Pending the case, the eviction notice will be ordered to be withdrawn and in 2 to 3 years the case will be resolved, ""
Since SOTUS has ruled, landlords could ask for summary judgement.
Biden and his administration are, in plain English, Full Of It.
"the power to take actions "reasonably necessary" "
This would fit seamlessly in The Enabling Act of 1933.
Joe doesn't remember what his "hearing aid" told him to say 30 second ago, much less the other day.
Turn off the water, the power and the gas. If they exit the building, lock them out.
You can't have something for nothing. Not now, not never. Why a tenant is a landlord's obligation is beyond all logic. The landlord provides a place to live, pays the taxes and the insurance. In exchange, the tenant pays the rent. If there is no rent, the landlord goes out of business and the whole thing shuts down. What part of that is difficult to understand???
The government dictates a ton of contract requirements on both parties, then when it comes politically desirable they explode the whole thing and give the landlord the shaft while directly subsidizing the tenant.
In essence, they have altered the deal and we should pray they don't alter it further. It's the Darth Vader school of politics.
"Turn off the water, the power and the gas. If they exit the building, lock them out..."
You left out "Hire the best lawyer you can find when the tenant gets legal help form the taxpayer to fight being locked out"
Forget that, lock the building from the outside with the tenants in it and set the place on fire for the insurance money. I personally have 0 respect for the natural right to life for someone who has 0 respect for the natural right to property of others. Even if what the tenants are doing is technically legal (which it really isn't because eviction moratoriums are violations of the constitution in various ways). The only moral dilemma in this is the insurance fraud.
"You can’t have something for nothing." - GrondTruth
How much are you paying for the air you breathe?
You be a stupid boy.
Clearly just an attack on property owning class and not a genuine concern for public health. Centralized quarantine of the infected would be less of an attack on property rights and would achieve much more towards suppression.
"Centralized quarantine of the infected would be less of an attack on property rights " - jgress the comedic fool
Eminent domain proves that there is no such thing as "property rights".
You are a fool.
Lol wut?
Some deranged lefty went off their Trump meds today... If they're upset, it means you're correct.
Private property being deprived under the 14th amendment without due process? Violation of the contract clause? Zero constitutional authority to implement this under the 10th amendment? Violation of equal protection under the 14th amendment (unequal treatment based on income)? How is the constitutionality of this even up for debate? It clearly violates the constitution in multiple ways.
And in a practical effect it is causing housing shortages, unprecedented housing cost inflation (my rent is set to go up 40% in less than a year) and severe economic hardship for mom and pop landlords.
"Private property being deprived under the 14th amendment without due process? " - LimaBeans
Quarantines give you that authority.
You be a stupid boy.
Not it doesn't you communist prick! Even the supreme court (effectively a rubber stamper of tyranny that couldn't tell constitutionality if it sat on their face) decided it was illegal. But were too cowardly to stop them under the naive notion that "it's set to expire soon anyway" which was a horrible mistake (or perhaps by design).
BTW, due process means you are tried in a court of law with a jury of your peers. It doesn't mean illegal decree by unelected bureaucrats in an alphabet soup regulatory agency.
And what we've had aren't quarantines, these are lockdowns. Quarantine is you temporarily isolate the confirmed infected as to not infect others. Lockdowns are isolate everyone whether they are confirmed as infected or not.
Great!
Now square this CDC logic with allowing tens of thousands of illegal immigrants to cross the border every month and transporting them across the nation, depositing them with no obvious means of support or housing in various communities around the country.
Libertarians demand that the Nanny State protect them against a free market of workers imported from Mexico.
LOL!
"Now square this CDC logic with allowing tens of thousands of illegal immigrants to cross the border every month" - Cysto
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It's time for the people to rebel.
Kick non-payer's out - Take it to Supreme Court!
F-Biden and his Administration; They do NOT own your property.
This is clearly a CRIME!
If I was a landlord with a deadbeat tenant, I'd begin the eviction process, and whenever the government balked, sue them - tenant, government, and anyone else impeding the action. This needs to get back to the Supremes for a redo. Otherwise, a lot of deadbeat tenants might end up having unfortunate accidents or something. There's no reason someone who worked to own a rental property should be subsidizing this BS.
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Did anyone see Cori Bush (D from Missouri), say the reason she slept on the capitol steps to stop evictions, is because she's been evicted 3 times? That says two things: it says a lot about her character and failure to fulfill her promises to 3 landlords, and she's not a landlord. She could have moved out to less expensive accommodations to avoid eviction, but she chose another path to screw over her landlord.
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