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The Biden Administration Continues to Exaggerate the Risk Posed by COVID-19 Breakthrough Infections While Slamming the Press for Doing the Same Thing

The administration is dismayed by the alarmist news coverage it invited.

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The Biden administration is concerned about the alarm it predictably generated by emphasizing the danger of COVID-19 cases in people vaccinated against the disease. But even as the administration pushes back against overwrought news coverage of its justification for recommending that vaccinated Americans resume wearing face masks in public places, it continues to exaggerate the risk of "breakthrough" infections.

"The White House is frustrated with what it views as alarmist, and in some instances flat-out misleading, news coverage about the Delta variant," CNN's Oliver Darcy reports. "The media's coverage doesn't match the moment," an unnamed "senior Biden administration official" told Darcy. "It has been hyperbolic and frankly irresponsible in a way that hardens vaccine hesitancy. The biggest problem we have is unvaccinated people getting and spreading the virus."

In what sense has the coverage been hyperbolic and irresponsible? "At the heart of the matter is the news media's focus on breakthrough infections, which the CDC has said are rare," Darcy explains. "In some instances, poorly framed headlines and cable news chyrons wrongly suggested that vaccinated Americans are just as likely to spread the disease as unvaccinated Americans." But as Darcy notes, "vaccinated Americans still have a far lower chance of becoming infected with the coronavirus" than unvaccinated Americans and therefore "are responsible for far less spread of the disease."

Where did reporters get the idea that vaccinated carriers account for a much larger share of virus transmission than they actually do? Possibly from Rochelle Walensky, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). For "every 20 vaccinated people," Walensky told CNN's John Berman last Wednesday, "one or two of them could get a breakthrough infection." Based on studies conducted before and after vaccines were approved by the Food and Drug Administration, that estimate is off by at least an order of magnitude. In fact, it implies that vaccinated people face a higher risk of infection than unvaccinated people do.

Ben Wakana, deputy director of strategic communications and engagement for the White Office COVID-19 Response Team, offered a similar risk estimate on Friday. "Let's be clear," he tweeted. "If 10 vaccinated people walk into a room full of COVID, about 9 of them would walk out of the room WITH NO COVID. Nine of them."

Both of these estimates seem to be based on a misconception about the effectiveness rates reported in vaccine studies. When a vaccine is described as 90 percent effective against infection, that does not mean 10 percent of vaccinated subjects were infected. Rather, it means the risk of infection among vaccinated people was 90 percent lower than the risk among unvaccinated people.

What does that mean in terms of absolute risk? In one U.S. study of adults who had received the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, the incidence of positive COVID-19 tests among fully vaccinated subjects was 0.048 per 1,000 person-days, compared to 0.43 per 1,000 person-days among the unvaccinated controls, yielding an effectiveness rate of 89 percent. A study of U.S. health care workers put the incidence of infection at 1.38 per 1,000 person-days when the subjects were unvaccinated, compared to 0.04 per 1,000 person-days when they were fully vaccinated, yielding an effectiveness rate of 97 percent.

Wakana, by contrast, is saying vaccinated people face a 10 percent risk of infection every time they "walk into a room full of COVID." Although he thinks that is reassuring, it is actually quite alarming, suggesting that vaccination somehow makes people more vulnerable to infection. Even in studies where the especially contagious delta variant accounts for most cases, infection rates among unvaccinated people over an extended period of time are far lower than Wakana's estimate of the risk for vaccinated people from a single visit to an indoor space where carriers are present.

Given Wakana's gross exaggeration of the breakthrough infection risk, his criticism of news outlets he charges with undermining public confidence in vaccines is hard to take seriously. "VACCINATED PEOPLE DO NOT TRANSMIT THE VIRUS AT THE SAME RATE AS UNVACCINATED PEOPLE," he tweeted a few hours before claiming that one in 10 vaccinated people will be infected if they enter a COVID-tainted room. "IF YOU FAIL TO INCLUDE THAT CONTEXT YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG."

Wakana was responding to this New York Times tweet: "The Delta variant is as contagious as chickenpox and may be spread by vaccinated people as easily as the unvaccinated, an internal C.D.C. report said." Wakana is right that the missing context—the fact that vaccinated people are highly unlikely to be infected in the first place, even by the delta variant—made that tweet potentially misleading. But it's true that the CDC has suggested the delta variant "may be spread by vaccinated people," assuming they defy the odds by becoming infected, "as easily as the unvaccinated."

When it published a study of a COVID-19 outbreak in Provincetown, Massachusetts, on Friday, the CDC reported that it found "similarly high SARS-CoV-2 viral loads in vaccinated and unvaccinated people," which it said "raised concern that, unlike with other variants, vaccinated people infected with Delta can transmit the virus." It remains unclear whether that finding means vaccinated people infected by the delta variant are as likely to spread it as unvaccinated people.

The CDC cautions that the indicator of viral loads used in the study may be misleading. Assuming that the viral loads in nasal samples from vaccinated people were indeed similar to the viral loads in nasal samples from unvaccinated people, that does not necessarily mean the two groups were equally likely to transmit the virus. Researchers are still trying to figure out how many of the Provincetown cases (if any) were caused by vaccinated carriers. And given that three-quarters of the 469 cases described by the CDC involved "symptoms consistent with COVID-19," the similarity of viral loads in nasal samples may not apply to asymptomatic infections, which easily could have been missed.

Still, the misleading impression left by the New York Times tweet pales in comparison with the blatant misinformation that the Biden administration is disseminating about the risk of breakthrough infections. The CDC and Walensky herself have repeatedly noted that breakthrough infections remain "rare," notwithstanding the delta variant, and that unvaccinated people account for "the vast majority" of transmission. Those observations cannot be reconciled with the notion that one in 10 vaccinated people who enter a room where COVID-19 carriers are present will emerge with an infection.

Wakana also faulted The Washington Post for this tweet: "Vaccinated people made up three-quarters of those infected in a massive Massachusetts covid-19 outbreak, pivotal CDC study finds." That gloss was "completely irresponsible," he said, because "the CDC made clear that vaccinated individuals represent a VERY SMALL amount of transmission occurring around the country." He added that "virtually all hospitalizations and deaths continue to be among the unvaccinated," which confirms that vaccines still provide excellent protection against life-threatening symptoms. Wakana also could have noted a caveat that the CDC study mentions: Even though their risk of infection is very low, vaccinated people are bound to represent a growing share of infections as vaccination rates rise, and the vaccination rates in both Massachusetts and Provincetown are especially high.

But at least the Post accurately reported what the CDC's Provincetown study said. Wakana's statement about the probability of a breakthrough infection, by contrast, misrepresents what vaccine studies tell us.

Furthermore, the CDC's rationale for resuming universal masking itself implies that vaccinated people are playing a significant role in spreading the delta variant. As Darcy notes, "the CDC said it was changing its mask guidance because of the new data regarding rare instances in which a vaccinated person becomes infected and can then spread the virus." Former Baltimore Health Commissioner Leana Wen, now a CNN medical analyst, suggests that explanation was misleading, if not disingenuous.

"They got it wrong," Wen told Darcy. "The reason why the guidance is changing is that COVID-19 is spreading really quickly, delta is a big problem, and the reason for the spread is because of the unvaccinated." In Wen's view, blanket mask mandates are appropriate because it is not feasible to exempt vaccinated people. But the CDC made no reference to that issue when it published its new guidance, which recommends voluntary precautions that it thinks vaccinated people should take, regardless of whether state or local governments decide to require masks.

The CDC, in short, said vaccinated people should wear masks because of the danger they pose to others, which depends on the still very low probability that they will be infected as well as the still uncertain probability that they will transmit the virus if they are infected. Walensky defended that new position by grossly exaggerating the risk of breakthrough infections, and Wakana followed suit, even while attempting to reassure the public about the effectiveness of vaccines and emphasizing that "vaccinated individuals represent a VERY SMALL amount of transmission." Now the Biden administration is dismayed at the alarmist reporting it invited, which it rightly worries will deter people from being vaccinated. One need not give news outlets a pass for misleading the public to recognize that they were taking their cues from federal officials.

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202 responses to “The Biden Administration Continues to Exaggerate the Risk Posed by COVID-19 Breakthrough Infections While Slamming the Press for Doing the Same Thing

  1. It’s like Ralph Wiggum when he learns Lisa doesn’t love him.

    Next time don’t vote for Joe the dementia patient and his cadre of fools.

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    2. Charles Koch’s fortune shrank by $5 billion during Drumpf’s last full year in office.

      Charles Koch’s fortune grew by $7 billion during Biden’s first half year in office.

      Charles Koch’s employees at Reason.com knew exactly what they were voting for.

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        1. Nothing is free. and NO ONE says it is (except republicans who claim/lie that tax revenues will go up to replace the massive tax cuts for their wealthy friends).

          1. That’s a pretty heavy strawman you got there, steaming pile of lefty shit. Check for turd or Tony to give you a hand.
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    3. I bent my wookie.

    4. “…Next time don’t vote for Joe the dementia patient and his cadre of fools…”

      As a TDS-addled shit, Sullum did everything he could to keep people from voting for Trump. Whining now is disingenuous at best, outright dishonest otherwise.

      1. And let’s not forget the 100 articles he wrote starting November 4th lying about Biden legitimately winning and that there was no possibility of fraud.

    5. Walensky is incompetent in her role, to be sure, and the whole CDC messaging on masks has been a massive clusterfuck. But, to be clear, the strategy under Trump would have been to nosedive directly into a, “do nothing on the federal level, let the states figure it out” strategy, and our outcomes would be on par with Brazil and India.

      Biden’s administration is trying to manage a nuanced policy when the risk profile varies dramatically across the country, with credulous liberals on one end clamping down on communities with the slightest justification and know-nothing conservatives on the other adopting policies almost designed to infect as many people as possible, as quickly as possible. It’s not surprising that no one in power seems to know how to do it.

      In any event, I’ll take a bit of fumbling on masks and messaging over Trumpist nihilism.

      1. adopting policies almost designed to infect as many people as possible, as quickly as possible

        Considering the recent experience of our cousins in the UK (comparable demographics; comparable vaccination rates) and in India (the opposite), this really shouldn’t scare you as much as it oh so clearly does. Comparing the jumps in antibody prevalence after Delta waves to the attributed death counts, I think it’s more likely that this variant is less deadly, not more, though they’ll quietly announce that in a scientific around November well after this wave peters out.

        COVID isn’t going anywhere. Make peace with it. I’m going to get it, you’re going to get it, we’re all going to get it – and probably several times – before we die, likely of something else.

        1. I’m not sure where you’re getting that I’m “scared” of anything. I’m just observing that state-level mandates prohibiting employers and municipalities from taking any mitigation steps are policies apparently designed to rapidly promote Delta’s spread. That’s true regardless of how I might personally feel about widespread infections by Delta.

          The experiences in the UK and India are not quite as relevant as you make them out to be. The UK just had its “freedom day,” so we will need to wait a bit longer to see what happens there. As for India, they’re coming down in cases now partly because of limits that were imposed after their wave started to grow significantly.

          In any event, as it happens, I agree with you, that COVID is unavoidably going to become endemic, and CDC strategies that continue to focus on curbing the spread are hard to square with the very data they cite in support of those strategies. If Delta is as much of a contagion risk as Walensky, et al., would have us believe, then it’s time to focus on vaccinations, boosters, and treatments for COVID, rather than chasing this notion of “herd immunity” that liberals continue to gnaw on about.

          Like you, I am not running around crying “wolf” when case numbers are growing, but am looking more at what we see in the hospitalizations and death rates; as long as our health systems can handle the infections without reducing access for other treatments, then I’m not worried about infection numbers per se. Of course, deaths and hospitalizations are lagging indicators, and reports from some hospitals seem to indicate they’re getting close to their capacity for dealing with acute COVID cases. So we’ll just have to see how that pans out.

          1. “As for India, they’re coming down in cases now partly because of limits that were imposed after their wave started to grow significantly.”

            You are talking out of your ass. Next time you do your search for counter points, try extending it to non democrat websites.

            I have colleagues who spent a year locked in their homes in India. They didn’t suddenly start instituting measures after Delta came to shore.

            1. I am aware that India had very severe lockdowns earlier in the pandemic. They opened up gradually over the latter part of 2020 into 2021, Delta surged, and more localized lockdowns were again instituted. I did not mention the prior lockdowns because they were not relevant specifically to the spread of Delta. My point, to Claptrap, was to rebut the apparent implication that Delta was waning due to some level of herd immunity through exposure. That may, indeed, be playing a role, but we don’t have clear data on that yet.

              If you have better, more reliable sources of news than mine, please feel free to share them. I struggle to think of any online sources that don’t have far more problems with bias or reliability than the sources I rely upon. But I would love to find a source that can offer a contrary viewpoint without making every story an op-ed that has to be read critically.

              In any event, before you come in to my threads to snark in your asinine, pointlessly partisan way, you would do well to develop your reading comprehension skills.

              1. “That may, indeed, be playing a role, but we don’t have clear data on that yet.”

                Which didn’t keep you from asserting- without evidence- that it was only the lockdowns that allowed India to curb the Delta surge.

                The evidence we have is completely consistent with the argument that the virus will get around no matter what you do, surge, then recede. No matter what you do. India’s drastic lock downs did not stop the delta surge from happening.

                If you are arguing that if India had just stayed in perpetual lockdown forever, they’d have avoided spread of Delta, then you are living in perpetual fantasy land. No country can survive in perpetual lock down. At some point it will have to put its people back to work, at which time they will get a spike in cases.

                1. Likewise: https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/07/29/what-the-spanish-flu-can-tell-us-about-freedom-day/

                  Throughout the Covid crisis, far too much weight has been put on models and far too little on experience from previous pandemics. Spanish Flu infections, like the Russian flu in 1889-1894, rose and fell with little rhyme or reason. The lack of a post-Armistice spike is just the most obvious example. The Covid pandemic, too, has been full of events that models would never have predicted. Think about infections peaking in the UK before each of the three lockdowns. Or 2020 infection rates declining at a similar speed in Sweden (no lockdown), the UK (moderate lockdown), and France and Spain (strict lockdowns). Or the fact that there were fewer than 6,000 deaths in Sweden in the first three months rather than 96,000, as predicted by scientists applying a version of the Imperial College model. Or the swift decline of the Delta variant spike in India, despite limited restrictions.

              2. Timely: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/08/the-u-k-s-delta-surge-is-collapsing-will-ours.html

                These pandemic pathogens burn through a population, but they invariably leave many behind who are vulnerable.” What is happening in Britain now seems very clear, and matches the shape of other pandemic surges elsewhere — including the Delta surge in India, where cases spiked for six weeks and then collapsed without the benefit of widespread vaccines, but primarily, it seems, through immunity acquired through infection, since the country now has an estimated 70 percent seroprevalence. The why of what’s happening in the U.K. is less clear to me, even after a week spent on the phone soliciting explanations from scientists.

                The UK’s seroprevalence is up over 90% as of the last report. COVID case counts no longer matter there. India’s is at 70%. What’s ours? Nobody knows, because the CDC is incompetent. Regardless, if Delta spreads as fast as they say and the seroprevalence jumps affirm but the death counts even in a largely unvaccinated pop don’t accelerate to nearly the same degree, then using the rise in cases as an excuse to impose unproductive restrictions to protect a population which has consciously chosen to bear the risk of exposure is utterly nonsensical.

                My guess is that Delta is the second-to-last wave of first-contact COVID in this country (we’ll get another in the midwest in late autumn; two flu seasons plus a decent amount of vaccination seem to be enough to burn through the vulnerable pop), and in keeping with the pattern will result in a lower level of adverse effects than last year’s summer wave. It’s going to break suddenly, and likely in the face of 8 billion “WHY ARE SCHOOLS STARTING AGAIN OH THE HUMANITY!!?!?!?!!?” articles in the Times and similar outlets.

              3. TDS-addled asshole Simon shows up to prove how fucking dumb lefty assholes can be.
                And succeeds.
                Fuck off and die, steaming pile of lefty shit.

      2. Trump did exactly what the feds should do: allow the states to do their thing and provide federal support when they need it. Remember all those field hospitals? The hospital ships?

        And of course, this entire post assumes that us “doing something” actually affects outcomes, when the data says that it does not.

        1. Tell it to Massachussetts and Vermont.

          My god, you “do nothing” people are idiots. I wonder how many people have to die before you understand. This thing is not a hoax, it’s not a mechanism for government control, it’s deadly and it is killing people. Including children. Talk to any ICU nurse, talk to any epidemiologist, talk to the people out there dealing with this directly.

          Or don’t, and then don’t ever try to call yourself “pro-life” again.

          1. It’s NOT killing children in significant numbers.

            340 COVID deaths for age 0-17 vs. 51,213 all deaths per the CDC

            https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-by-Sex-and-Age/9bhg-hcku/data

          2. “Talk to any ICU nurse”

            …same ones who said being outside was bad…BUT BLM protests were not? Yeah.

            1. In between choreographed dances involving entire hospital staffs

          3. What exactly is happening in Mass and Vermont that we’re supposed to be so scared of?

          4. “My god, you “do nothing” people are idiots….”

            My god, you statist piles of lefty shit are idiots.
            Fuck off and die. Soon. And painfully.

          5. Very deadly. 0.03% deadly. Even if we take the official Covid-19 cause of death at face value.

      3. The goverment getting out of the way is the best help I could ask for.

      4. The vaccines were developed and approved under Trump. That’s far more important in terms of preventing COVID than anything related to mask rules, lockdowns, etc.

        Do you really think Biden would have pushed as hard for expidited vaccine development and approval as Trump did?

        Hopefully your memory is better than Biden’s and you can recall how hard prominent Democrats (such as Cuomo and Newsom) were pushing to delay vaccine approval.

    6. Hey seat belt let’s Bee friends!

      1. You get a point for this.

        1. So what am I at?

          For those of us not scoring at home?

          1. 2 asshole flags for the asshole

    7. The commies at unreason wanted el presidente Biden to run a banana republic and they got that.

      The United States of America will be fine after civil war 2.0 against democrats is resolved.

    8. People didn’t vote for him last time.

    9. Joe is not a dementia patient, and he does not have a “cadre of fools”, so we don’t have to worry about voting for people like that. Besides, I’ll take dementia over narcissistic personality disorder (super dangerous in a position of power) and criminals/treasonists.

      1. Bill has narcissistic personality disorder

  2. Sure is lucky how us ‘seasonality theorists’ predicted exactly when and where we would see a summer surge, yet the ‘experts’ are back to blaming those idiots in the south (this year unjabbed, last year unmasked). Very soon the hospitalizations will start dropping for a month or two, then the entire country will see a winter wave — though smaller than last year because fewer people are susceptible. This is exactly what we expect and exactly what we’ve been saying will happen. At some point shouldn’t you maybe listen to the people who are correct instead of the people who have the fancy “credentials”?

    1. TOP. MEN.

    2. To be fair. Most southerners are backwards rubes.

      1. Yet they’re far more urbane and sophisticated than yourself. Did you know that?

        1. Of course a backwards hick in Spokane would consider the south a cultural Mecca.

          Do you still want to murder nearly half the country traitor?

          1. We may think about kicking you off the dock, but we’ll leave the actual carnage to lefty cities.
            Too busy with work.

          2. asshole gets two more flags

    3. Yea its frustrating to watch this play out when the same Hope-Simpson based logic explains quite a bit w/o resorting to bone tossing incantations while wearing the magic face talisman of perpetual safety.

  3. Do I fondly remember when the CDC’s function was collecting and collating statistics and not serving as a political tool of whoever in the White House? Or was I just smoking something?

    1. Yes and they did a good job of that for years. Oh well.

  4. Again, I’m not hesitant because I don’t trust the Biden Administration, don’t trust the CDC/FDA, don’t believe the medical public health science, or just plain don’t need the vaccine. I’m hesitant out of solidarity with the poor and people oppressed by socialized medicine who *can’t* get the vaccine.

    1. Way to make a stand MC. I don’t have ID for the same reason. Fight the power!

      1. Is that a joke?

        How do you buy beer? How do you drive?

        1. asshole flag

      2. How do you vot…never mind.

  5. There has to be a plan. The Illuminati have to exist. This level of incompetence can’t possibly be real.

    1. If these people knew wtf they were talking about they would be making bank in the private sector. They chose job securiy over accountability.

      1. This. They would be lucky to be entering data in a spreadsheet or running simple lab tests if they were private sector. No job for life with little accountability and a pension waiting at the end. Many of them can recite how many years and months before they are fully vested in said pension.

  6. Reason favorite:

    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1421954978609049603?s=19

    I think the only question of public health policy right now should be how all-in are you on vaccine mandates.

    I’m at 11 out of 10 on mandatory vaccination. If we want to be laxer, then fair enough. But I don’t see the justification for any measures other than vaccinating.

    It was dumb to let conservatives bully us into thinking “vaccine passports” were a bad idea, but the right way to push back against dumb irresponsible conservatives is to ramp up vaccine mandates not revert to summer 2020 debates.

    1. They can’t get the story straight, but we are supposed to do what they say.

    2. The responses were horrific including:
      “ Im like a 15, I want them to be monthly and require a subscription service.”

      1. I thought that one was sarcastic, but some of the responses are terrifying.

    3. Honest question, am I supposed to know who this dude is?

      He sounds just like every other partisan crank trying to troll on the twitter. Uninformed and going straight for ad-hominem attacks meant not to actually solve anything, but instead raise the ire of the “other” — in this case I guess he’s demonizing anyone who considers themselves conservative.

      Obviously he’s not anyone to listen to. So why did you choose him to publicize here?

      1. He’s less a public figure than a big influencer with other journalists and the rest of the clerisy.

      2. I chose to link his tweet because Reason is quite fond of him and linking his content

    4. As expected of Yglesias, he never pretend to be libertarian… unlike our Reasonistas.

    5. “…I think the only question of public health policy right now should be how all-in are you on vaccine mandates.
      I’m at 11 out of 10 on mandatory vaccination. If we want to be laxer, then fair enough. But I don’t see the justification for any measures other than vaccinating.
      It was dumb to let conservatives bully us into thinking “vaccine passports” were a bad idea, but the right way to push back against dumb irresponsible conservatives is to ramp up vaccine mandates not revert to summer 2020 debates…”

      Guessing this is a summary of his comments, not yours.

      1. If I post a link, anything below the link is direct quotation, unless indicated by []s

        If I have a comment to something I’ve linked, it will either be above the link or in a subsequent reply.

        I’m very consistent on that.

    6. Frankly, we’d be better off if Progressives went down this road then the low-benefit/high-cost bullshit they’re defaulting to.

      Regardless of my own preferences, he’s right; everything else is theater. I’d prefer they just gain an adult tolerance for risk and a mature acceptance of their own mortality, but if they were capable of those things then their politics would be different anyway.

    7. “I think the only question of public health policy right now should be how all-in are you on vaccine mandates.”

      I guess I need more coffee this morning. Damn, NARDZ, when I first read this, I thought someone was impersonating you. Or worse, that you had had a stroke. I am too used to seeing “quotes.” Glad to realize it ain’t so, and that we can continue to disagree on a lot of stuff. Now, back to my coffee.

  7. A full court press on vaccinations, recommendations for masking again and other activities and Biden is surprised that media is reporting this as serious? They are only reporting what you are saying and doing. Maybe the first time at that.

  8. What the hell does “person-days” mean?

    1. A person day is like a man day except it also includes folks that only provide 70% of the productivity.

      1. I thought a women-day was 70% and a person-day somewhere around 85%.

      2. Many years ago I had a cost estimate rejected for using mandays instead of person days. I considered resubmitting with a higher cost, but my desire to not be fired won out.

        1. Non-birthing person days.

  9. https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1421977144222171139?s=19

    “Former President Obama is hosting a 60th birthday bash for himself on Martha’s Vineyard….held at the Obamas’ $12-million home, which sits on 30 oceanfront acres…. 475 confirmed guests —Pearl Jam was set to play…Steven Spielberg also was expected.”
    [Link]

    The Obama bash — taking place after a nearby Delta outbreak in Provincetown, as millions face evictions after Obama presided over a massive foreclose crisis — sounds great!

    Interesting how every major US politician finds vast oligarchical wealth after leaving office.
    [Link]

    1. He wrote that book that progressives were obligated to buy. So he made some coin on that. Few actually read it including about how he ate a dog. But during his administration, the book appeared prominently on their coffee and demilune tables.
      Biden could release Sniffing Hair for Dummies and that would be a best seller too.

      1. If Joe Biden wrote Sniffing Hair for Dummies, it would be recognized as the most authoritative piece on the subject.

    2. Vote everyone out,
      Every time.

      1. Didn’t work too well with Trump.

        1. We would certainly be better off with Trump in as President. While I certainly didn’t agree with everyone of his policies, I can’t think of one policy of Biden’s that is better than Trump’s policy. Biden is a total disaster.

          1. If I agreed with all of the polices of any office-holder, I’d have myself committed.

    3. I’m sure. This is America. It’s the nature of capitalism and not so different than a YouTube star banking on fame. Glenn Greenwald should show us where his money comes from since he’s throwing this stone.
      The Democrats are the only ones trying to reform campaign finance anyway which is the most important thing to realize.

      1. “Glenn Greenwald should show us where his money comes from since he’s throwing this stone”

        Lol, are you trying to imply that Greenwald is wealthy like Obama? You fifty-centers are something else.

      2. Can’t tell if sarcasm.

        1. Not capable of sarcasm; too stupid.

          1. If you were gonna write a sarcastic response, though, that’s what you’d write!

            1. It does indeed look like sarcasm from someone with at least average intelligence, but this came from LoS; can’t be sarc.

      3. Lord of Strazele
        August.1.2021 at 9:43 pm
        “…Glenn Greenwald should show us where his money comes from since he’s throwing this stone…”

        Interesting that Lord Shitpile only wants to see revenue reports for those who don’t agree with him.
        Well, not really; steaming pile of lefty shit is incapable of honesty.

      4. It’s the nature of capitalism

        He was a community organizer and then an elected official. That’s it. Even writing a mandatory-purchase bestseller about your deadbeat dad, won’t naturally get you Obama’s scratch.

        1. Obo has never held a job from which he could be fired for incompetence; he has slopped at the public trough his entire life.

          1. And now he’s filthy rich. *scratches chin*

            He must’ve had Hillary’s stockbroker.

            1. Didn’t Hillary’s stockbroker shoot himself in the back of the head five times?

      5. Being paid a salary by taxpayers and accepting bribes isn’t capitalism

      6. Greenwald got most of his money from selling paintings. Anonymous buyers.

      7. Dems want campaign finance reform? Who’s the new big sponsor for them?

      8. “Glenn Greenwald should show us where his money comes from since he’s throwing this stone.”

        Does he have influence to sell as Obama did for eight years?

  10. And here I thought the Biden administration would be better at public health policy and messaging.

    1. No mean tweets.

      1. So very mean.

      2. His account labeled half the country white supremacists.
        I can’t think of anything Trump ever tweeted that comes close to that mean.

        1. The comments coming from the Biden team are hate speech, if I have ever seen hate speech.

          1. “They want to put y’all back in chains.”

        2. He stated out loud that he would use airstrikes on innocent American people to bring gun owners to heel.

    2. Every time the previous administration tried to say anything about… well, anything, I guess, it was reported in the worst possible terms. Not by bloggers and small timers, by major media. Try to be upbeat and reassuring and it was the President is lying to us about danger or the President is siding with racists. Try to give a warning or encourage broader thinking, it was the President told us all to inject bleach, or some crap.

      So the press, so remarkably antagonistic, so blatant in their misinformation about SO much for so long, will never have the trust of the right. Or the middle, even.

      I mean, they even run interference for “their” side. Newsome was anti-vax before the electon:

      >”Of course, we don’t take anyone’s word for it,” Newsom said
      >at a news conference on Monday. “We will do our own
      > independently reviewed process with our world-class experts
      > that just happen to live here in the state of California.”

      He was parroting the lines the Democrats were all saying, that Trump would rush the vaccine and we can’t trust it. You’d never know it from the fact that every comment on misinformation and anti-vax seems to say it centers on Fox news and Republicans, ignoring the other major demographics we all know distrust government vaccination efforts.

      You know, looking back, the media was constantly smearing Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt (FUD) just like the Chinese, Russian, and RFK Jr’s sock puppets (they are still doing that right now.) Yet somehow it’s still not the left’s fault, nor the press’s fault, nor even the fault of these political asshats in the current administration who are only reaping the distrust they’ve sown the last few years.

      There’s a reason people don’t trust the media. FUD works, but it eventually destroys EVERYONE’s trust. And to make it worse, with masks and social control the left is stuck on the pre-election script, which they can’t seem to let go of regardless of how different the world is today. Biden and the major media outlets are reaping the distrust they’ve sown for years.

      That said, masking is dumb even if I CAN spread it as an immune person. If I am exposed, I get a Delta booster shot because ZERO breakthroughs are serious without comorbidity. I probably won’t even know, maybe I get something akin to the flu I had a few years ago.

      If you don’t want a vaccine, fine. If you’ve had it, you’re good. If not, you’ll take your chances. Some people will get it the natural way and we’ll get to herd quickly because of the infectivity of Delta. If masks work, wearing them just extends the time it takes because, frankly, a certain number of people are going to get their antibodies, period. We’re not going to vaccinate our way out of an already underway surge in a population who doesn’t want a vaccine.

      More than half the country has to have been been exposed already, one way or another (35 million reported cases, 165 million fully vaccinated, 185 million partially, and I have no idea the overlap), so we’re not at the point we were 18 months ago epidemiologically. Hospitals are not going to get crushed by a surge, and it’ll burn out fast this time. Best to let it burn.

      1. “…Best to let it burn.”

        JFree and M4E hardest hit!

        1. BTW, in a scare piece in the Chron on Friday, they included charts, which, like many of turd’s links undermined the claims. Did the writers not read them? Did they hope no one would? Dunno.
          Anyhow the new infection rate is shown to be “SURGING” to 15 people per 100,000.
          No, really. I checked to make sure there was no log scale or anything of the sort. It showed that 15 people in 100,000 were newly infected. Not symptomatic. Not hospitalized. Not dead; diagnosed with the illness.
          FFS!

          1. Yeah, you can obfuscate a lot by picking your timeline.

            Want to say “the biggest” you just have to say “since” and pick a date. It has the same psychological effect whether it’s the biggest in months, or in decades. In this case, they’re using multiples around here. Like “surging 5x” but the “since” date was from the lowest point since February 2020. In my county, hospitalization is up, but almost entirely amongst non-vaccinated (97%), and way less than the case increase. But that’s not shocking enough. So bury the lede there since most people don’t read past the headline and you can scare people without, technically, lying too much.

            Manipulative shite, once the bread and butter of local news looking to frighten viewers into tuning in at 11. Now clickbait from once “serious” press.

        2. Has jfree been on about this? I’ve had him muted for a long time.

          And sorry about the ranting. I’m grouchy today.

        3. It’s time to get rid of the democrats.

      2. Oh, sure, it was just the reporting.

        You Trumpers are really something else.

  11. You know, if you read this article from a particular point of view, you come away thinking that the Biden administration is chock full of incompetent boobs who completely fucked the dog on this global pandemic thingie.

    1. And Sullum did his level best to make sure Trump didn’t get re-elected; kind of makes you wonder how big of an asshole Sullum is, doesn’t it?

      1. Don’t have to wonder, right? You can just go back through all of the stupid posts by Strazzie.

  12. One of the reasons totalitarians obsess over trying to control what we think is because they can’t, and their inevitable failures ultimately undermine their credibility–and their ability to influence what we think. Why would anyone take the Biden administration’s, the NIH’s, or the CDC’s word for anything at this point? Meanwhile, the news media has a terrible credibility problem for good reasons.

    Here’s a report on media credibility by Pew from April 1, 2020, in which they claimed that people are more likely to believe “the truth” depending on which news outlets they watch:

    “The group who names MSNBC as their main news source is far more likely than the Fox News group to answer correctly that the coronavirus originated in nature rather than a laboratory and that it will take a year or more for a vaccine to become available. On both questions, the portion in the CNN group to answer correctly falls between the MSNBC and Fox News numbers.”

    —-Pew Research, April 1, 2020

    https://www.journalism.org/2020/04/01/cable-tv-and-covid-19-how-americans-perceive-the-outbreak-and-view-media-coverage-differ-by-main-news-source/

    The yardstick Pew was using to measure the accuracy of people’s beliefs was broken on both questions. While it hasn’t been proven beyond any doubt, the pandemic probably didn’t originate in nature, and MSNBC viewers were wrong to think it would take a year or more for a vaccine to become available, too. In retrospect, the people who believed what the NIH, the CDC, and MSNBC were telling them were wrong to do so. If MSNBC hasn’t lost credibility with its viewers because of that, then MSNBC viewers are ignorant and/or stupid.

    Getting vaccinated makes a ton of sense anyway, and that’s regardless of the never-ending series of ridiculous things that come tumbling out of the Biden administration’s clown car or the ridiculous things people in the media say about how we should believe whatever the clowns are saying this time.

    No one should believe or be forced to do anything stupid just because the Biden administration, the CDC, or the news media says so, and no one should refrain from doing something smart just because the CDC, the Biden administration, and the news media are all a joke. What we believe and what we do shouldn’t depend on what the government tells us or what the media says. We don’t need experts or the media to tell us when to exit a burning building, and we don’t need them to know when getting vaccinated is less of a risk than not being vaccinated either.

    If there are people out there who aren’t doing the smart thing for themselves because of the mendacity of the government and the news media, I’ll be the first to call them stupid, but I doubt there are very many people like that. Most of them are probably just waiting for it to become more necessary to be vaccinated than unnecessary, and as the delta variant continues to spread (and people go back to school and work), that will light a fire under more and more of their asses.

    1. Cue Mike, Queen and Squirroebells to attack Ken with fallacies.

    2. > we don’t need them to know when getting vaccinated is less of a risk than not being vaccinated either.

      Minor quibble with a post full of excellent points.

      In a better world, one where the last few years haven’t completely destroyed the trust many people may have had in some of these institutions, the role of experts in a place like the CDC would be precisely this. Calculating the risks, and keeping those numbers updated.

      No more. Letting an epidemiologist dictate public policy is akin to allowing a germophobe to dictate normal social interactions. They’re completely focused on one thing, and that generally doesn’t translate into big-picture thinking.

      But imagine a world where people didn’t see them as partisan hacks. They could see odds of x being a million to one, odds of y being 1000:1 and odds of z being 100:1, etc. If you trust the numbers are close to accurate, and then make your own decisions… what a pipe dream that would be.

      1. They have nobody to blame but themselves.

        1. Perhaps but they’ll blame Trump.

          1. I’d laugh, but this is poe’s law level truth, right here.

          2. And they’ll blame those who realized he was the best POTUS we’d had in a long, long time.
            Naturally, projecting their erotic fantasies, the TDS-addled assholes will claim that those who recognized such are somehow ‘sucking Trump’s dick!!!’, rather than accepting that, as TDS-addled assholes, they were simply attempting excuse their adolescent focus on personality.
            Fuck ’em all with Tony’s dick; we got this as a result: Brandy-shitpile top of the list.

      2. People make good decisions in the face of uncertainty every day. They buy homes, decide whom to marry, choose a major, and invest their savings in the stock market–all in the face of uncertainty. Market signals make people behave as if they were more knowledgeable and smarter than they are. Markets are nothing but people making choices, and markets regularly outperform experts making choices on other people’s behalf.

        The question isn’t whether people believe the experts or the news media. The question is whether they understand the cost of not being vaccinated vs. the risks of vaccination. As the delta variant, employment opportunities, and attending class in person (for examples) increase the cost of not being vaccinated, expect the vaccination rate to rise.

        People respond to price signals more so than the pronouncements of government bureaucrats and central planners, and that’s not a problem. That’s just the way the world works. People shouldn’t believe anything just because some government expert said it anyway. Even when citing an authority is appropriate, those statements require heavy qualification.

        1. Pretty sure hardly any decision is made absent uncertainly; cannot remember a single serious decision which was not tinged with some concern, and certainly agreed the market gives you the best information available.
          But counter that, I will certainly bias a choice/action if it is mandated; directing me to do something at the point of a gun is going to get my push-back to the limits of that gun going off.
          That’s not the market; that’s coercion and it needs to be opposed everywhere and always,

        2. Some people do. Amsoc couldn’t handle buying a house. The divorce rate is high. And some folks want to be professional students matriculating from majoring in gender studies to political science to demonstrating to trans gender studies. Agree with you. But some make poor choices and are demanding those that infrequently do pay for their mistakes.

          1. “…But some make poor choices and are demanding those that infrequently do pay for their mistakes.”

            A the point of a gun.

        3. Stop talking common sense.

          Nobody does anything unless the government forces them to.
          Nobody can stop themselves from harming themselves – the government has to.

        4. Only the health related risk/benefit should be taken into account.
          Loss of employment and loss of freedom to travel are artificial ones imposed by the tyrannical government and corporations teaming up together against the citizens.

    3. Ken I’m not sure they are stupid for protesting the mendacity of government. I agree with a lot of your view points but there’s always a point and that’s different for each person that you say no or push back. Yes it may not always be great for your life but someone has to start somewhere otherwise we end up always stepping in line to do the smart short term thing.

      1. I guess following up on my thoughts and I know I’m taking this in a direction not directly related to the original comment, do I get to call over weight people stupid for increase a ton of risks constantly? When do we stop covering for this poor choice and promoting it through ads for halo topic and plus sized models?

        1. Yes. The government should set goals for BMI rate just like vaccination rate. If the BMI rate gets too high we should start shutting down fast-food restaurants and ban the sale of Doritos.

    4. Getting vaccinated makes a ton of sense anyway

      Identifying a risk, choosing to find a healthcare provider, and paying them to get vaccinated makes sense. Having your money taken by the FedGov and then acquiescing when they tell you to consume what they spent it on regardless of the risk makes considerably less sense.

  13. I’ve yet to read through all of the comments…. but I can only imagine that “Swallowing Cum in Provincetown” might lead to increased transmission.

    1. Not going to be so blunt, but I just read Andrew Sullivan’s article about ptown.

      I had no idea. But, yeah, that is not a representative group. Those are people who had been partying HARD in the weeks before the 4th, and who were crammed into densely packed night clubs, from the descriptions over capacity, every night that week dancing and carousing. I guess it’s like Fire Island on steroids.

      I have great respect for the gay communities and their penchant for good natured debauchery. I totally wish I could have found parties so fun with, you know, girls. I mean, I’d totally have been a slut, but nobody likes me. That said, there’s a reason some epidemics in the past have been way more prevalent in the gay communities, and in this case they were all primed from Pride month parties, had a week to incubate, then headed to the cape for the big weekend.

      Somehow, my going shopping or seeing a chamber music concert with mostly elderly, rich, vaccinated people doesn’t seem equivalent. Yet, here I am, with the venue saying we have to wear masks and including “The faster we get this over with the faster we can get back to normal” — which makes NO sense, if maskign worked it would make the surge last longer. Anyway, we’re back to this shit like it’s still March 2020 and it’s 2 weeks to flatten the curve.

      1. Yet, here I am, with the venue saying we have to wear masks and including “The faster we get this over with the faster we can get back to normal” — which makes NO sense, if maskign worked it would make the surge last longer.
        ———
        You’re not supposed to point this out to them.

        1. I do.

          They don’t give a shit, it just makes me less popular than I already am. Regardless of how polite and heartfelt my gentle criticism.

          You know that same group that demands masks in the concert hall (for a chamber music recital, mind you) had a pre show lecture in a smaller room. This room has two large doors that open to the courtyard, so it can be like an outdoor venue if you like. They had the lecture with all doors closed, and chairs shoulder to shoulder inside. It was packed. And stuffy.

          So, we all have to do the anti-social masking shit, but the one thing that makes it effective — fresh air circulation — was NOT done by opening those doors. So the masks in that environment are as good as useless.

          Goddamn mask nazi people are stupid. Wear ’em when it makes sense, but if you ACTUALLY cared, you’d have those doors open, which is WAY more effective.

          1. The masks are a political symbol now more than anything. The left’s version of a MAGA hat.

            I’m not saying masks don’t help but when there are more effective solutions – vaccines, better ventilation, etc – available then the masks are pretty silly.

            1. But Trump never forced everybody into MAGA hats. Worst dictator ever.

            2. If I have to choose between two coercions, I will choose the mask. Mask is harmless – no severe short term or long term side effects. Vaccine is more intrusive and can’t be undone.

  14. I’m pretty much fed up with this Red vs Blue, Anti-Vax vs Vax formulation. Everybody on this board should be rejecting it out of hand. It is a fact that the people not getting vaccinated are the poor.

    That is an inconvenient truth, because while many poor are trump-loving maga rednecks, a MAJOR proportion of this population are reliable, blue voting minorities. Hispanics, and African Americans.

    I admit being right-libertarian, but nevertheless I try to have good faith debates with everyone on this site. But if you are trying to frame this as a red v blue divide, you are talking nonsense. If you are a lefty blaming maga-hats for not getting vaxed, you are a useful idiot plain and simple. Your Blue Team Leaders have framed this as a red v blue schism precisely so you will stop looking at WHY the blue team is failing to vaccinate their spectators. Is it because they lack access? Is it because they scared these minorities off with their FUD during the Trump days? Who knows.

    And if you are a Trumper reflexively fighting back against the vaccine because Biden is pushing it, you are probably even worse. This vaccine is Trump’s vaccine. It is an amazing accomplishment. But you are falling into a trap set by Biden’s crew. You play into Biden’s hand by looking like the anti-vax paranoids that Biden claims you are. Your response should be plainly, “This is on you. Your side isn’t getting vaccinated, and you haven’t said anything to convince them that you were wrong when you decried the vaccine back when you thought it would be a victory for Trump”.

    It is a fucking crying shame how nobody can step out of their god damn tribal bullshit while these idiots at the helm drive us into our graves.

    1. Something that nobody wants to mention is that it’s the poor who have been working this whole time and by now they’ve probably gotten over it. Dismissing natural immunity is another way I know the ‘experts’ are lying.

      1. What is the point of dismissing natural immunity? Why didn’t they just use it strategically as they should have? Maybe say something like “If you have had a confirmed case, then you don’t need the vaccine. Our main goal is to increase the size of the immune population as fast as possible, while simultaneously reducing the severity of the disease.”

        What we got was “a sense of impending doom”.

        1. “What is the point of dismissing natural immunity?”

          Billions of dollars for Big Pharma.

          1. Well, yea…but they could have served their Big Pharma masters and been smart about how the vaccines were deployed.

      2. Something that nobody wants to mention is that it’s the poor who have been working this whole time and by now they’ve probably gotten over it.

        As was repeatedly pointed out during the initial outbreak/lockdowns, again when bars and restaurants were granted 50% capacity on outdoor dining, and again when the teachers go back to work, grocery store employees have been working standard shifts since ‘two weeks to flatten the curve’. When we were warned about superspreader events at Easter, Thanksgiving, and Christmas it was mentioned multiple times that there has been no superspreader event associated with a grocery store despite significantly higher foot traffic than your Church or your parents’ house at Easter. It’s all bullshit.

        1. Yep. I now think that the people on the handful of sites that I visit are smarter than the entire ‘expert’ class put together. We had this shit figured out by May 2020 AT THE LATEST. (Of course, we know Fauci has this info too, he just ignores what doesn’t fit the narrative.)

    2. Overt like mentioned to Ken – of all of us vaccinated who’s fighting for this passport, screening, lock down, masking never to happen again. If we aren’t in numbers I don’t see any reason to think a non shot person is stupid. Dead or not they’ll at least have been blessed with choice, and some waning vestiges of free will which I don’t see a whole lot of people fighting for.

    3. “And if you are a Trumper reflexively fighting back against the vaccine because Biden is pushing it, you are probably even worse.”

      Maybe. Trump encouraged his supporters to get the vaccine too, as have most GOP governors. But Trump didn’t send people door to door pushing the vaccine, nor did his admin float the idea of vaccine passports, forced vaccinations, or even tacitly approve of those measures. For many people, the harder the current admin pushes the vaccines, the obvious reaction is the vaccine hesitant or skeptical will resist them that much more.

      1. The fuck he did. He explicitly encouraged his supporters not to get the vaccine, for months, while he got it in secret. He also explicitly called Covid a hoax and refused to implement ANY public health measures at all.

        Any other president – ANY, Romney, a Bush, anyone – would have done a better job, implemented the Pandemic Response Plan, done what needed to be done. There is blood on Donald Trump’s hands and on those of his supporters.

        1. “He explicitly encouraged his supporters not to get the vaccine, for months, while he got it in secret.”

          This is when linking to him actually doing that would be beneficial to your argument.

          “He also explicitly called Covid a hoax”

          That, of course, is false.
          https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/oct/08/ask-politifact-are-you-sure-donald-trump-didnt-cal/

          Note…not remotely friendly towards the right source.

          “Any other president – ANY, Romney, a Bush, anyone – would have done a better job”

          Trump got a vaccine done in less than year. The others did not.

          “implemented the Pandemic Response Plan”

          Which is?

          “There is blood on Donald Trump’s hands and on those of his supporters.”

          How about Biden and Harris openly saying they would not trust the vaccine? You know they DID do that, right?

          1. There was a team and a playbook for this exact scenario, left by the previous TWO administrations, and Trump refused to use any of it.

            If he’d done the bare minimum of his job we wouldn’t have lost hundreds of thousands of people.

            The derangement is in any Trump support whatsoever.

        2. fotini901
          August.2.2021 at 2:18 pm

          You.
          Are.
          Full.
          Of.
          Shit.
          Fuck off and die, TDS-addled asshole.

          1. Like the 610,000 people your guy murdered? Thanks

    4. They stopped updating this vaccination rate map or my area in May, when the dominant trend that developed ran counter to the ‘Trump supporters are anti-vax’ narrative.

      All the dark areas are republican leaning, while all of the light areas vote democrat. (dark = high vaccination rates)

      https://www.stltoday.com/online/map-covid-19-vaccinations-by-zip-code/html_bc2ce066-634c-5ff0-964f-69789ad30bbb.html

    5. I strongly believe getting vaccinated and I did so in April. But I also believe people should have freedom and choices so I don’t think the government should be forcing anyone to get vaccinated (with the exception of certain government employees)

    6. I see a lot of sencse in what you’re saying. I am pro-vaccine and pro-freedom. These positions can exist in the same body, the same mind, and the same society, and I know this because they have existed together during The Enlightenment and during The American Revolution.

      The Founders, especially George Washington, knew the benefits of variolation (the precursor to vaccination) against smallpox and lived just a few years later to see Edward Jenner make a smallpox vaccine that ultimately made smallpox a distant memory.

      Likewise, smart freedom-lovers who have no medical conditions against vaccination would do well to get the vaccine to tide us over until CRISPR or nanobots can smash and destroy all the bugs inside of us for good!

      Remember, folks: The rights to “Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness” The Founders upheld didn’t come with an expiration date.

    7. I am a Democrat, and I am hesitant of the vaccine due to health concerns.
      Why are you stereotyping those who are hesitant to vaccines that they are doing it because of Biden?

    1. Yes, it’s going to get worse everywhere in winter, just like it did last year. The ‘seasonality theorists’ have been correct for the last year, while Fauci can’t explain anything that’s happening at all.

  15. In our age there is no such thing as ‘keeping out of politics.’ All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred and schizophrenia.- George Orwell

  16. It’s not even funny how the science is following the politics now.

    I have no trust in any information coming from US sources on Covid. They have deliberately lied and misled habitually.

    1. You have to go to the raw data sources and look at the fine print for the data collection methods. Go to the CDC, Johns Hopkins, etc and look at the raw data.

  17. This is what happens when you decide the government should be the primary source of medical advice.

    1. And The Science Party can’t science…

  18. Ben Wakana, deputy director of strategic communications and engagement at the White Office and a member of the administration’s COVID-19 Response Team, offered a similar risk estimate on Friday. “Let’s be clear,” he tweeted. “If 10 vaccinated people walk into a room full of COVID, about 9 of them would walk out of the room WITH NO COVID. Nine of them.”

    “Let’s be clear, Ben. You’re fired.”

  19. A researcher in Israel has developed a promising drug to treat moderate to severe Covid cases. Initial trial on 88 cases demonstrated decrease in length and severity of the disease. It will go to a larger placebo controlled study.

    The drug targets the cytokine storm.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-israeli-drug-cured-moderate-to-serious-covid-cases-within-days-hospital/

    1. Godfuckingdamnit! More goddamned cytokine storm bullshit. It targets various factors associated with inflammation as does about half of the rest of the pharmacopeia.

      There is a concept of ‘cytokine storm,’ which is outdated and actually never reflected the real cause of most cases of systemic inflammation. The concept was that in response to a danger signal, such as an infection or loss of blood flow, the host would rapidly produce massive quantities of cytokines. These would be released into the blood stream and drive the physiologic responses that are the manifestations of systemic inflammation. This discredited concept was based on a poor understanding of the normal inflammatory response, coupled with some discrete but rare conditions that did have high circulating cytokine levels. As a model of systemic inflammation, several investigators would inject fragments of bacteria into experimental animals or normal human volunteers. The bacterial fragments included endotoxin that was derived from the cell walls of Gram-negative bacteria. These experiments were performed because it was believed that this represented an accurate model of the inflammation induced by severe bacterial infections. When fragments of bacteria are injected, there is a rapid and robust cytokine response. Within 90 min !!!11-eleventy!!!, there are massive elevations of cytokines such as TNF and IL-1. From this, it was extrapolated that the same timing and sequence of events occurred in systemic inflammation. This concept launched multiple clinical trials using inhibitors to block cytokines with antibodies or naturally occurring antagonists to treat severe infections. All of these clinical trials failed to provide any survival benefit.

      1. It is a broad term and probably outdated. It is not what it was originally described as. Nonetheless the concept is real and useful to describe in a general way what can happen from multiple factors.

        https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMra2026131

        1. Cytokine storm and cytokine release syndrome are life-threatening systemic inflammatory syndromes involving elevated levels of circulating cytokines and immune-cell hyperactivation

          Weird how the disease generally kills people 65 and older with multiple co-morbidities whose immune systems are simultaneously weaker *and* too strong. Also weird that the young and expectant mothers, whose immune systems are stronger and whose physiology is more primed for inflammation don’t suffer it at the same rate.

          Who knew that sitting on your ass inside was a way to soup up your immune system and drive inflammation while getting outside and exercising suppresses your immune system and aleviates inflammation?

          1. There are a lot of unknowns.
            Don’t have time to read the whole thing but found this.

            https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)31235-6#secsectitle0010

  20. “The White House is frustrated with what it views as alarmist, and in some instances flat-out misleading, news coverage about the Delta variant,”

    So, Feds and media fighting over who gets to be in charge?

  21. Meanwhile as the number of cases continues to rise I think a lot of vaccine reluctance is just fear of side effects and plain old anti vaxxers.

    Here is some data from Kaiser on breakthrough cases and disease severity for fully vaccinated people in the US.

    https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/covid-19-vaccine-breakthrough-cases-data-from-the-states/

    1. Meanwhile as the number of cases continues to rise I think a lot of vaccine reluctance is just fear of side effects and plain old anti vaxxers.

      There’s always the time-honored medical practice of both creating the phenomenon of and then actively engaging in alarm fatigue.

      Research has demonstrated that 72% to 99% of clinical alarms are false.

      OMG! The patient is flatlining! Cytokine storm! Get the vaccine! Oh wait, sorry, the electrode came loose.

      1. Yes the number of beeping things can do that. Either resulting in over or under reacting.

        Cytokine storm is real. It is not limited to Covid. Inflammatory cytokines such as interleukins can be over produced resulting in recruitment of even more inflammatory cells and tissue damage.

        It is why high dose steroids are used in severe Covid cases. This approach, would be somewhat different in that it targets lung cells directly.

        1. Cytokine storm is real. It is not limited to Covid. Inflammatory cytokines such as interleukins can be over produced resulting in recruitment of even more inflammatory cells and tissue damage.

          No, it’s not. It’s a misunderstood, misapplied, and generally naive theory. Just like ethers, miasma, gluten-sensitivity, herd immunity, and homocysteine as a causitive agent for heart disease. I’m fully aware it’s not limited to COVID, read what I fucking wrote. For multiple diseases, they can/could induce cytokine storm in the presence of cytokine blockers to no effect. The cytokines are a false flag.

          Inflammatory cytokines such as interleukins can be over produced resulting in recruitment of even more inflammatory cells and tissue damage.

          Died with interleukins or died of interleukins? As I pointed out, there are untold legions of anti-inflammatory drugs. Some more potent interleukin and cytokine inhibitors than the steroids. If it’s just as simple as ‘cytokine storm. QED.’ then why don’t they all work? Answer: because cytokine storm is a fairytale used to make adult infants sleep better at night.

          1. Call it what you wish. I really don’t know the exact mechanism CD24 is thought to work in severe covid or what the larger clinical trials will show. Nonetheless it seems to have done something so far.

        2. I mean, FFS:

          No single definition of cytokine storm or the cytokine release syndrome is widely accepted, and there is disagreement about how these disorders differ from an appropriate inflammatory response. The National Cancer Institute’s definition, based on the Common Terminology Criteria for Adverse Events (CTCAE), is too broad, since the criteria for an inflammatory syndrome can also apply to other physiological states, and the definition of the American Society for Transplantation and Cellular Therapy is based on criteria that focus too specifically on iatrogenic causes of cytokine storm alone. Although cytokine storm is easy to identify in disorders with elevated cytokine levels in the absence of pathogens, the line between a normal and a dysregulated response to a severe infection is blurry, especially considering that certain cytokines may be both helpful in controlling an infection and harmful to the host. The interdependence of these inflammatory mediators further complicates the distinction between a normal and a dysregulated response.

          Nobody can define it and, in the presence of ID, it gets even harder to diagnose and define, but we’re sure it’s a thing. It’s the reason why the 1918 flu killed so quickly and disproportionately younger people and it’s the same reason why this disease predominantly kills 65+ yr. olds with multiple co-morbidities.

          GTFO with your inconsistent speculative bullshit.

          1. Immune response differs depending on the agent and changes with age. That much is known. There are many unanswered questions about the exact molecular and cellular response. There is nothing inconsistent about that. At this point a lot of things are speculative.

      2. “In every emergency first check your own pulse”

        Samual Shem
        The House of God

        1. Didn’t he have a band called The Pharoahs and sing a song called “Wooly-Bully?”

    2. “Meanwhile as the number of cases continues to rise I think a lot of vaccine reluctance is just fear of side effects and plain old anti vaxxers…”

      In the Bay Area, the number diagnosed with Wuflu (not symptomatic, nut under treatment, not hospitalized, not dead; DIAGNOSED) has risen to 11.8/100,000!!!!!
      Yes, we are now required to mask-up since 1/100th of 1% have been diagnosed…
      Maybe people can make the choice not to get vaxxed without nagging from shits like you?

  22. While whites have higher covid vaccination rates than blacks in 48 of 50 states, a recent Bloomberg article entitled “White Vaccination Rates Lag in States Where Covid Is Surging: Covid-19 Tracker” falsely portrays whites as having a lower rate. But a chart at the bottom reveals the actual data, which contradicts their narrative.
    https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/us-vaccine-demographics.html

    1. How the left does science: if the evidence doesn’t fit your narrative-bury it. If you can’t bury it, blame inequality or climate change…

    2. Are you vaccinated?

  23. Here we go again. At least Trump isn’t president, right sullum?

  24. https://www.bitchute.com/video/r9MG7YY5CrpL/

    Just ran into this a minute ago (while scrolling on Bitchute. Can anyone tell me whether it’s true or not?

  25. Just ran into this a minute ago (while scrolling on Bitchute). Can anyone tell me whether it’s true or not?

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/r9MG7YY5CrpL/

  26. Sorry for the reps. I’m pretty geeked atm.

  27. Hyperbole is the media’s stock and trade. I guess Biden’s people just noticed this.

    1. What’s the proper amount of exaggeration for millions of preventable deaths?

  28. Why don’t the reporters ever ask creepy Joe or Jen Psaki “how many people have died after getting the Covid-19 Vax?” — hmmm very interesting…

  29. Right now vaccines do a very good job preventing the most severe symptoms. But the virus will continue to mutate and vaccines are clearly not effective enough at preventing transmission. In other words, breakthrough infections are mild now but likely to get worse later. We can probably spin up new vaccines for the new variants but will probably be playing defense for a long time.

  30. Get a vaccination, then leave everyone else the FUCK alone! End of “story.”

    How can these asshats at the CDC expect us to listen to any of their pronouncements with anything but complete skepticism?

  31. I’m having to wear a mask all week because I’m on location for work. If your biggest problem in life is having to wear a mask during a pandemic, stab yourself in the eye and get some fucking perspective on life.

    1. Fucking seriously. It’s less onerous than a seat belt or a motorcycle helmet AND it protects OTHER people.

      Some shit is not about just you. I know, I know, not very libertarian, but consider that there are indeed other people.

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