Magical Thinking Abounds in New Budget Deal Discourse
Plus: The growing trust gap, pandemic-low unemployment numbers, and more...

Democrats pat each other on the backs over tentatively agreeing to spend trillions. From this week's victory laps over a new budget outline, one might think something consequential had already been determined. But so far, a bunch of Democrats on the Senate Budget Committee have simply agreed that it would be cool to spend $3.5 trillion on a wish list of Democrats' preferred policies.
President Joe Biden reportedly received a standing ovation for it.
Playbook: Dems are experiencing a high after unveiling their $3.5 trillion budget plan. Biden received multiple standing ovations during a lunch where not a single senator complained about the price tag. In the House, even CPC leader Pramila Jayapal had positive things to say.
— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) July 15, 2021
"This is the most consequential piece of legislation passed since the Great Depression," said Sen. Bernie Sanders (I–Vt.). "It addresses almost all of the issues that progressives and working class people feel are important." (Sanders also noted that "it doesn't provide all the funding that I would like to do right now.")
Yet the budget outline still has to make it through the full Senate and through the House before anything happens. And it still needs a lot of details filled in. So far, Budget Committee members have only agreed to allot massive amounts of money to vague policy areas, including an expansion of the temporary child tax credit, expansion of Medicare benefits, subsidized preschool, a national paid leave program, immigration reform measures, climate measures, broadband access promotion, anti–gig economy provisions, more funding for the Department of Justice's antitrust division, and more
Approve trillions in spending now, hash out the details later—it's brilliant! If, that is, your goal is more getting your name on the good side of progressives, leftists, and the media that love them than responsibly governing.
Sen. John Tester says he will vote to proceed to $3.5 trillion budget deal:
"I'm going to vote to proceed to the $3.5 [trillion] then we got to get more meat on the bones on how it's being spent," he said.
— Alex Bolton (@alexanderbolton) July 14, 2021
For now, the $3.5 trillion is just a price tag attached to a spending framework. (And, as Peter Suderman noted at Reason yesterday, these trillions come "in addition to the $2 trillion or so already spent at the beginning of the year on the recovery plan, and beyond the roughly $4 trillion spent last year on pandemic relief.")
Descriptions of the budget framework "leave observers and policymakers somewhat in the dark over just what exactly this agreement means, and what it portends for policy development over the course of the year. What we do know is that these consultations and agreements are preparatory to the consideration of a budget reconciliation bill that can overcome Republican opposition in an evenly divided Senate," writes Gordon Gray of the American Action Forum. He explains more about the budget resolution and reconciliation process here.
"The upshot of the reported 'budget deal' is that there appears to be agreement to consider a budget resolution that assumes additional spending and revenue losses totaling $3.5 trillion over the next decade, in part drawn from two major tax and spending proposals put forward by the Biden Administration," adds Gordon. "The budget resolution will necessarily shed additional light on the parameters of congressional Democrats' forthcoming tax and spending legislation, but it will not provide clear detail. To the extent Senators vote to advance the budget resolution, at this stage they will very likely be voting for legislation without knowing what policies they are enabling."
Democrats insist that whatever that spending is about, it will be fully paid for. But that's…dubious. The big idea is that the spending will generate more economic activity, which can then be taxed to pay for the already-spent or budgeted programs.
"Smart investments will have a positive effect on economic growth, but they should not be exaggerated," suggests Maya MacGuineas, president of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, in a statement. "Politicians should not be making up their own estimates, choosing their own scorekeeper, incorporating fantasy growth assumptions, or relying on future promises to pay for their spending today."
"If I claimed that I had fully paid for my cocktail bar tab…you would probably assume that I had forked over actual money equivalent to the entire tab. Cocktails in. Money out," writes Suderman. "But for Senate Democrats, it probably means something more like producing an estimate showing that, over the next decade or so, drinking cocktails at this particular bar could generate enough money-making ideas to offset the cost of the drinks…maybe minus food items. The cocktails pay for themselves!"
Basically, there's a lot of magical thinking going on right now with the budget agreement, both in terms of how things will be paid for and how easy it will be to pass.
"Applause and pleasantries don't necessarily translate into votes," notes Politico. And there's reason to doubt rosier prognostications:
Sens. Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.) and Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) haven't committed to supporting the deal, which needs every Democratic vote. Manchin has said that inflation and fossil fuel provisions are giving him pause.
Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.), who leads the Congressional Progressive Caucus, touted key wins Wednesday, including paid leave, universal child care and Medicare expansion provisions. But she stopped short of promising CPC support until they have more clarity on the details, which are still coming together.
Behind the scenes, moderate Democrats are concerned about the price tag and potential tax hikes to pay for the package, which could provide fodder for classic GOP attacks.
"If the plan's central components become law, it would be the capstone achievement Democrats had promised when they won a pair of Senate elections in January to gain narrow control of Congress — and come with a reach that could exceed its cost," writes Jim Tankersley at The New York Times. But "its passage in Congress remains far from assured, with a series of hurdles in the coming months, including filling in key details on taxes and spending and holding together a fragile Democratic coalition."
Some folks optimistically point out that even if everything should go through as is, the $3.5 trillion in proposed spending is lower than other new spending ideas by Democrats. "The budget package is about 1/10th the cost, for example, of Medicare for All. The Green New Deal as originally envisioned was theoretically much larger too," noted Bloomberg reporter Steven Dennis.
But it's unclear why that should make anyone concerned about this spending feel better. At best, "it could be worse." And who's to say that Democrats, high on doling out promises of trillions of dollars in new programs, won't move on to add those things next?
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Polling finds significant trust gap. A Gallup poll conducted June 1 through July 5 finds "Americans' trust in all big institutions has cratered" and a there's "massive gap in who we do trust," notes Mike Allen at Axios:
By the numbers: New Gallup polling finds a 45-point split in trust of police — 76% of Republicans vs. 31% of Democrats. Confidence in the church or organized religion — twice as many Rs as Ds, 51% to 26%.
So who do Democrats trust instead?
With President Biden in the White House, 62% of Ds said they trust the presidency vs. 13% of Rs. That's a 49-point delta — the biggest in the survey.
No surprise here: Blue America trusts the media by double digits more than red America does.
But this is interesting: Twice as many Democrats trust public schools as do Republicans, 43% to 20%.
FREE MARKETS
Pandemic-low unemployment numbers in the latest jobs report. From The Wall Street Journal:
Applications for unemployment benefits fell to a new pandemic low, showing a healing labor market, and the number of people receiving jobless aid has also trended lower as many states end enhanced pandemic programs.
Jobless claims declined to 360,000 in the week ended July 10 from a seasonally adjusted 386,000 a week earlier. Last week's applications count marked the lowest level for claims since March 2020, the month the Covid-19 pandemic hit the U.S. economy.
The four-week moving average, which can smooth out volatility in the weekly figures, fell to 382,500, also a pandemic low
QUICK HITS
• Los Angeles County is bringing back its mask mandate:
BREAKING: L.A. County will again require residents to wear masks in indoor public spaces, regardless of their vaccination status, starting this weekend, as coronavirus cases climb. Story to come.
— Luke Money (@LukeMMoney) July 15, 2021
• Is a fundamental First Amendment decision from the Supreme Court at risk?
• In El Salvador, a woman named Sara was sentenced to 30 years in prison after losing her baby and being accused of violating the country's strict anti-abortion laws. "Last month, she was freed thanks to a growing movement to defend the women facing decades in prison on similar charges," reports Buzzfeed. "Now she hopes to clear other women's names."
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Spend more, turn a recession into a depression then extend it. Grats Bernie.
That's what communists do. Cuba's been in a depression since 1960.
But mostly peaceful.
I hope Canada is ready for a flotilla across the Great Lakes.
thanks https://vidjar-review.medium.com/trader-commissions-review-oto-best-bonuses-discount-c428838201ed
Twice as many Democrats as Republicans trust public schools, but the number is still below 50%.
Time for reform?
I have a problem with that number because I am not sure how to interpret. Where exactly is the mistrust. I suspect that people are likely to say they like their own kids school but don't trust school as a whole. Look at the role school play in housing decisions. A good school means the house's value is more. People are willing to pay more to be near a school, but then may say they distrust public schools. This a problem with broadly worded surveys.
Parody.
"I suspect..." = here is what I want to believe, that accords with my feelings for humanity.
I have to say I like my daughter's school, but I don't trust them. I like individual teachers, but I keep careful watch over what is handed out and what is being taught. We need to be careful and concerned about what our children need.
Listen and verify. Don't just trust anyone. Nullius in Verba
Collectivist Jeffy thinks you should stop paying attention and have faith in the professionals.
Easy the distrust is in the Teacher's Unions.
The only thing surprising to me about that number is that Democrats didn't come in at 90%
Don't forget, this includes poor districts where the schools have clearly failed the students. A lot of Democrats (especially the "normal" ones who will actually have a discussion) are aware of the problems in some public schools and don't completely trust the institution because of them.
In our State they want to replace funding schools with District property taxes with a State tax. Looks good until people realize that only Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Harrisburg and Erie will get all of the money.
Out of an abundance of caution, shut them all down permanently and return the money to the taxpayers so they can afford a good internet connection and computer for distance learning from better teachers.
We would have had a reform fifty years ago, but the teachers union run Congress and the states. Teachers union says jump congress says "oh please don't hurt me!"
Reform what?
Even at the district level, neighborhoods are massively segregated by political party. This isn't just speculation. It's been measured. People can talk about what they don't like in other districts run by the other party, but that is all just whining. If partisans actually chose to govern their own school districts with almost no interference from the evil other partisan, they could.
Why they choose not to is an interesting speculation
"It addresses almost all of the issues that progressives and working class people feel are important."
LOL
I actually like having Bernie Sanders around — as long as he's not in the White House. He's quite effective at tricking low-info voters into believing Democrats are still a working class party. Meanwhile those of us who pay attention know that billionaires are the real winners when Democrats control Washington DC.
Bernie's "working class" are comprised almost entirely of the 48% of households that have a $0 effective tax liability. For them everything someone else pays for is literally "free."
It's worse...there's some percentage of those people who have a negative tax liability.
If Democrats really believed that, they would name their bill, "This is the Last One, Really, We Promise".
But he says it addresses ALMOST all of the issues. There's more. Somehow it's just never enough. Always and forever MORE.
That picture...
Is he casting a spell or giving the White Power handsign? Or both?
Just another minor stroke.
I missed that; well I'll be damned, the sonofabitch is a Nazi, not a communist!
Not sure what difference it makes, at this point.
I did not see that either.
The difference is the technical ownership of the means of production.
Communism is where the state actually "owns" the means of production.
Fascism pretends there is corporate ownership of the means of production, but the government controls the economy.
Example; The government telling Facebook who to censor is fascism. If the government just took control of Facebook, it would be communism.
^
Yes I understand the difference, but "at this point what difference does it make?"
O-tay!
He's crushing your head
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qUiAdha-1Y
You would know a white power hand-sign seeing as how you belong to such a racist church.
Correction ---
"And who's to say that Democrats, high on doling out promises of gun-enforced other people's labor in Nazi programs, won't move on to add those things next?"
Still the party of slavery.....
The Nazi Government isn't the USA Government ---
"allot massive amounts of money to vague policy areas, including an expansion of the temporary child tax credit, expansion of Medicare benefits, subsidized preschool, a national paid leave program, climate measures, broadband access promotion, anti–gig economy provisions"
NONE of which they have "We the People's" (U.S. Constitutional) granted authority to do.... Oath of Office? Does anyone CARE anymore?
Washington Post: “Wait. Somebody is coming after OUR free speech? That’s not what we meant when we said that the first amendment isn’t absolute!”
Smart investments will have a positive effect on economic growth
I think I have spotted a potential problem with this plan...
Paraphrased: [WE] can invest your labors better than you!
Sell your soul to the [WE] foundation; because you don't own you - [WE] own you.
Calling it "investment" is fucking stupid too. Well maybe more wrong than stupid. Democrats do know how to sell bullshit.
If it wasn't for the Democrat Party nominating Zog to the Fire Committee, and commissioning a study to test the effects of rubbing sticks together, we wouldn't have fire. When they sat "You didn't build that" they honestly believe that everything originates from government. It's their god.
Yeah, pretty much. Even as an atheist, I much prefer the old time religious to worshipers of the state.
Aye. Though my atheism is a tad weird. I'm not anti-religion and I don't mock people who believe in an invisible man. Rather I'm a religious wannabe who lacks faith. Can't get me to believe in that invisible man, even though I kinda want to. Faith gives people a certain serenity that I don't have. So I actually envy people with faith. Well, with faith in God that is. People with faith in government like to say religion kills millions while ignoring the horrors of the 20th century created by fascism, communism and socialism. They can get fucked.
To envy the serene Believers implies that this serenity is a good thing. But serene Believers don't have the sense of urgency to solve problems and get things done...including solving the problem of tyrannical government.
I'll go with the "troubled joy" that comes with rational thought. At least it'll always needle you on to better things.
I'm with you 100% on this.
Hey, just because the keyenesian multiplier has never been above 0.7 (using favorable Harvard analysis) in over 100 years of promising government spending is a positive ROI doesn't mean it won't be this time! Just like socialism or communism it has just never been spent correctly!
it has just never been spent correctly!
That made me laugh. I am definitely stealing that line.
I like the free cocktails analogy; I'll stop by the cantina on the way home and see how that plays out.
Twice as many Democrats trust public schools as do Republicans, 43% to 20%.
Put another way, 3 in 5 Democrats and 4 in 5 Republicans agree that the public schools are crap / poorly run / teaching rubbish.
That's pretty damning. People in those two camps don't agree on much.
Now if those 3 in 5 Democrats would allow their 'gangster' party-affiliated indoctrinated *prejudices* go and think for themselves for once. The USA might survive.
To be fair. Sarcasmic thinks schools are crap because of George W Bush.
"In El Salvador, a woman named Sara was sentenced to 30 years in prison after losing her baby and being accused of violating the country's strict anti-abortion laws."
A-ha! For a moment I was worried ENB was going to miss her quota of abortion access stories. I should have known better, even if today's scoop takes us outside the US.
#AbortionAboveAll
Anyway if El Salvador is LITERALLY THE HANDMAID'S TALE, why don't we invite the country's entire population to immigrate to the US? It's a win / win — Reason.com's benefactor Charles Koch will get more cost-effective labor, and El Salvadoran - American birthing people can access abortion care throughout all 3 trimesters.
#OpenBorders
Won't those El Salvadorians bring their repressive Handmade tale culture to the US and vote against #AbortionAboveAll?
Nah, that's not how it works.
With the possible exception of Cuban Americans, we can count on imported Black and Brown bodies to vote overwhelmingly Democrat.
No no no, bring the people over, leave the government where it is to rule over some banana trees.
About a third of El Salvadorans have already come to America during the past 40 years.
"Yet the budget outline still has to make it through the full Senate and through the House before anything happens."
----ENB
If you think that's a serious problem, you must be joking.
Machin and Tester appear to be on board--so long as taxes are raised high enough to pay for it. Bernie Sanders was a serious obstacle--because he said they weren't spending enough--but the spending level now has his blessing. Is ENB not aware that the Democrats can pass this through budget reconciliation without any Republican votes--and the Republicans can't filibuster?
The only serious question now might be whether AOC and the radical progressives in the House are on board, but the chances of them voting against creating whole new classes of entitlements and lowering the age of eligibility for Medicare are practically nil.
There seems to be a lingering delusional quality to the libertarian left in regards to the consequences of handing the White House, the House, and the Senate to the Democrats. Subconsciously, I suspect they want to avoid responsibility for the consequences of things they wrote and said--and the way they voted.
It's like a drunk driver who kills someone on the road, and then claims he, in court, that he shouldn't suffer the consequences--because he didn't intend to kill anybody. These are the consequences of your choices. This outcome was more or less assured the moment the Trump lost and the Democrats won the runoff elections in Georgia.
If there's anything strange about the Democrats taking a victory lap now, it's that this was all decided in November of 2020 and on January 5th of 2021. The victory laps should have been taken back then. Since then, all of this has been a foregone conclusion. Why would anything think this $3.5 trillion monstrosity wouldn't happen? It contains all the things Biden promised on his campaign website--from expanding Medicare eligibility to the Green New Deal.
Wake up, already!
Oh, boy, Ken.
1) ENB is not “libertarian left”. She’s pretty much a standard issue libertarian. Left-libertarian is an actual political camp, that doesn’t match ENB’s history or political positions.
2) ENB is not responsible for the Democrats winning. She personally voted Libertarian.
3) The primary person responsible for the Democrats winning is Donald Trump and his inability to rein in his own highly-offensive personality.
4) Yes, the Democrats are big spenders, but the other major political voters could choose are also demonstrated big spenders AND had a Presidential candidate who just spent four years demonstrating he was petulant and petty, incompetent and stupid, divisive and destructive of democracy. Want the Republicans to do better — put up adults as candidates.
It was the most petulant and petty and divisive president since the Civil War
"offensive personality" -- Emotional knee-jerking with no consideration for gun-forced policy is indeed a HUGE curse of 21st Century prom queen elections.
It's pretty hard to elect an 'adult' with so many childish emotional fits going on.
I like how leftists continue to try to define the center to wherever they are politically. White Mike is no exception.
She's just shitposting.
Mute her and join the revolution.
Sounds like a caw to arms.
Lol.
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That’s funny. My “shit posts” always address specific claims you make in your comments.
Ken feels that anything that offends him is an ad hominem. So if you say "Ken, that was really stupid and I believe you're wrong" you're not making an observation. You're ignoring his point and attacking him personally. But if you're one of his buddies and say "You're friends with jeffy which means everything you said is stupid lalalala I can't hear you you voted for Biden neener neener" you're engaging in ethereal discourse.
Look at Sarcasmic talking about people and what they do instead of their arguments. Didn't you claim when I do this it is trolling.... what would that make you... hmm....
Pretty much. I like how he is telling people like JesseAz to mute me. They never will, since they are here primarily to have an outlet for their meanness, which they probably have to suppress a lot when off line.
You're a troll because you respond to what people say, and that's an ad hominem. If you want to be one of the cool kids you attack them personally, because arguments against the person aren't ad hominems.
Please take a look at your posts today. Lol.
Mikey is not a troll. He believes what he says. He is a shitposter because he posts he fails to argue effectively and resorts to fallacies despite having them pointed out to him time and again.
Whereas you are a proven gaslighter and most definitely a troll. Your rambling about 'ad hominem' might get you a Pass in a high school philosophy class, but you continue to describe the fallacies in play incorrectly.
What's upchuck? Barf! Hahahahaha!
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You like to pop in with these grand declarations and personal slights, then disappear like a fart in the wind.
Got any evidence? Quotes?
Or is it "Just known"?
He can cite 90% of your posts in this thread.
Let's count up the number of informative posts i have today as compared to yours. Yours is entire uncoated gaslighting. This is just Z true as when you pushed the fire extinguisher death claims. Youre full of shit. And you actually do know it. That's why you started muting people so you could cognitively avoid being publicly wrong.
Your self-confessed entire reason for being here, white Mike, is to gaslight for the left among libertarians.
Eat a bullet
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Something else you’re crowing about? Feathers ruffled again?
Well that's a lie.
Both sides spending!
So offensive he increased his support by at least 20%...
Eat a bullet
Furthermore, the persons who did more to lose the Georgia runoffs than anyone else were Trump’s dream legal team: Sidney Powell, Rudy Giuliani, Lin Wood, and their sidekick, the Pillow Guy.
Oh, it wasn't the promise of 3k checks that flooded twitter before/after the vote? Or the known voting issues that remained in place in areas like Fulton County?
And when it came to *Real* people who voted - they still won.
TDS shit poster (screetch's alter ego) is still rattled and triggered by Trump.
Your defense of ENB is cute, you got some kind of hard on for that?
Looks like Mike's bosses have settled on the narrative: "Somehow voters knew or cared who Trump’s "legal team" were, enough to change their votes".
The stupidity of this argument is breathtaking.
Los Angeles County is bringing back its mask mandate:
Once again, fuck these people. There is zero scientific basis for this. None.
She blinded him with Science!?
Was at the gas station yesterday and a guy filling up was wearing a mask. Looked at the license plate and it was Connecticut. Amazing.
I've been in Connecticut a bunch the past couple of weeks, and the only people I ever saw wearing masks were east Asians, though I was outside of the metro NY corridor.
Was a white man. Probably mid 40s. Drove something decent and newish but not ostentatious. Kept the mask on after he hot back in the vehicle. Sheep are gregarious.
Well, let's give the benefit of the doubt.
1: Perhaps he's actually sick with a cold. If you are sick with any lung disease, a mask can genuinely reduce your chance of spreading it. Not just COVID, but a simple cold.
2: Perhaps he has bad allergies. I found a mask actually did help with hay fever.
3: Perhaps he's cold. Being a Texan, I have never had any actual face protection in winter. It was genuinely convenient this February to have a convenient, comfortable, and warm mask to protect my face.
People can wear whatever they want for whatever reason they want. It's the mandate that's the problem.
They're trolling us.
Isn't that the most reasonable explanation?
They want us to denounce the experts because they think it makes us look stupid in the minds of swing voters.
"expert" at manipulating people into believing their bedtime horror stories; that on running record have ZERO chance of materializing?
...Even amateurs seem to get things right 50% of the time.
ESPN radio the guy is talking about the Yankees, because apparently they all had positive tests and had to cancel a game, that even though they're "infected" despite all being vaccinated, "at least nobody will be put in the hospital or on ventilators or die."
Pro athletes
More from the recent voter audit in GA that included examining images of vote batches from Fulton County. Digital scans of vote batches, ie hard evidence, as well as a count of these batches against the audit logs from the election. This isn't statistical analysis. This is sourced evidence.
Fulton County falsified 7 audit tally sheets containing fabricated vote totals for their respective batches of ballot images.
For example, a batch containing 59 actual ballot images for Joe Biden, 42 for Donald Trump and 0 for Jo Jorgenson was reported as 100 for Biden and 0 for Trump.
The seven batches of ballot images with 554 votes for Joe Biden, 140 votes for Donald Trump and 11 votes for Jo Jorgenson had tally sheets in the audit falsified to show 850 votes for Biden, 0 votes for Trump and 0 votes for Jorgenson.
The VoterGA team also found at least 36 duplicate batches of mail-in ballots which resulted in 4,255 total extra votes. These fraudulent votes include 3,390 extra votes for Joe Biden, 865 extra votes for Donald Trump, and 43 extra votes for Jo Jorgenson.
The error reporting rate in Fulton’s hand count audit is a whopping 59.7%.
https://t.me/KanekoaTheGreat/806
Cleanest ever.
As clean as Biden’s Depends.
Analysis of excess vote trends from 2020 by state. Excess votes are considered the votes from newly registered voters above historical trends of population growth and previous registration. One of the oddities is a lot of this excess vote is from unaffiliated voters who voted opposite of the previously registered unaffiliated voters.
What this shows is the vast majority of counties showed normal voter growth against historical trends with the outliers all being democratic strongholds where problems have been pointed out prior.
Not evidence of fraud, but uniquely all one directional outliers.
https://redstate.com/stu-in-sd/2021/07/16/a-u-d-i-t-of-elections-the-pot-is-boiling-out-of-control-n411324
As you noted "Not evidence of fraud" but you will try to spin it that way.
Again, let's not confuse the difference between "evidence" and "conclusive evidence".
What he's describing is evidence of fraud; it's just not conclusive evidence.
It's unnecessary to say "not conclusive evidence" every time someone says "not evidence" because anyone should be able to deduce that from context.
The sun rising in the east and setting in the west--every day of recorded history--isn't conclusive evidence that the sun orbits the earth, but it is evidence.
I think indicators is the more accurate word.
Well, what you're presenting is evidence.
Don't let anyone tell you it isn't. If they say it isn't, they're wrong.
And when you make them explain why your legitimate evidence isn't evidence, you make them think about the stupid shit that's been said about charges of election fraud--with no evidence.
There is evidence!
Most of the rational decisions we make in life are in the face of uncertainty. The idea that someone needs to show metaphysical absolute proof of something in order to believe it's probably true is absurd.
I looked at the evidence, and the evidence supports the theory that Covid-19 escaped from a lab--regardless of whether the evidence is incontrovertibly conclusive. The idea that in order for a rational person to believe anything, there must be incontrovertible absolutely convincing evidence is wrong.
To be persuaded by a preponderance of the evidence in the face of uncertainty is to be rational, and so long as our claims are tempered with a legitimate amount of uncertainty, we don't need to be absolutely sure. The smart thing to believe in the face of uncertainty is something uncertain. If you've got evidence, don't let experts tell you it isn't evidence because it isn't conclusive or because they don't like your conclusions.
Thing is there is paltry evidence the election was stolen. Whenever you get a right-winger starts going on about their evidence it’s either claims that have been discredited, or turns out to be that they disagree with changes to mail-in voting rules that were made legitimately.
TRUMP LOST! THAT'S PROOF RIGHT THERE! FUCKING FUCKITY FUUUUCK!!!!
Remember, sarcasmic claims he isn't a troll. Nor does he have TDS.
I mean if you blindly ignore all evidence then yes, you have paltry evidence.
If you refuse all investigations, generally you get paltry evidence.
It is almost like you can only get evidence when you actually look for evidence. Or do you think there is a magic evidence theory?
What you're doing now is blindly ignoring the evidence of this thread and claiming there is no evidence. It is quite hilarious how you own your own argument in this very thread.
I'm far from convinced that the election was stolen. But it damn well needs a close examination.
For what purpose? No minds will be changed.
I don't know. Because I want to know? I'm some kind of weirdo who thinks it's worth while trying to establish facts and stuff.
Will you really know though? Let's say the Trumptards are right and there really was rampant fraud. Then what? The election isn't going to be reversed. And it's not like there's anything that will convince the Trumptards that the election wasn't stolen. They've set an impossible burden of proof.
What good could possibly come out of it?
Yours definitely wont. I mean you're blindly ignoring this evidence while ranting against Trump.
And sarcasmic the victim is name-calling again. Lol.
You are right, I will probably never know anything for sure.
I don't know. I guess I'm an optimist and imagine that some things might get better some time.
But I think the biggest reason I'm for really trying to look closely at things is that a significant part of the voting public believes that it's at least possible that there was significant fraud. I just don't see telling those millions of people that they are all crazy idiots and need to shut up and tow the lion as a good path towards making politics any less awful.
But I think the biggest reason I’m for really trying to look closely at things is that a significant part of the voting public believes that it’s at least possible that there was significant fraud.
You think any of them haven't already made up their minds? Seriously. An investigation that doesn't prove what someone already thinks will be considered to be fake news, misinformation, or whatever.
Are these new times that we're living in, where information is judged by the source instead of merit, or have human animals always been so easily manipulated?
Rhetorical question.
Your cynicism is not unreasonable. I still feel like it's at least worth trying to do something different, though.
You think any of them haven’t already made up their minds? Seriously.
The irony as Sarcasmic blindly ignores the evidence here.
Peace Sells
Specifically, which aspect of the elections, in which states? There were 50 separate elections plus a few elections in territories and military bases.
Read the link ignorant fuck.
It had a close examination. That it does not produce the findings you wanted does not mean it wasn't examined. You're like one of those 9/11 Troofers whining that no one has ever investigated why the towers fell.
It's still being examined. And that's good. It's not going to change who is president no matter what is found. But it's still worth knowing. And it's not just about 2020. There is a lot of stuff that has looked funny for a long time in some US elections. Yes, I'd rather have Trump than Biden, but that's not why I'm interested in this.
What a fucking lie. There was never a close examination. As the actual semi close ones conclude there is more and more evidence of at least incompetence if not outright fraud.
There is 10x more evidence the 2020 election was stolen from Trump, than there ever was for Russia collusion hoax
Ten times zero is still zero.
You intentionally close your eyes and then claim nobody can see you, don't you.
O, Ken, we have actual Conclusive Evidence of fraud. Falsified vote tallies and duplicate ballots run in different scanners is conclusive evidence of fraud. Not conclusive evidence it changed the election, but conclusive evidence of fraud
Everything orbits around Trump. The whole sun rising and setting thing is a Democrat fraud.
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You're up to 3 posts denying actual evidence because you are so broken. Who do you think is looking at your posts and thinking you're intelligent?
It’s interesting he’s had numerous posts in a thread started by someone he’s muted.
He does it all the time. He unmutes me often just so he can feel like a victim and proceed to cry.
Except the inconclusive evidence in this case is likely to indicate true fraud, not the false belief you chose as analogy for some inexplicable fucking reason.
These are indicators of fraud, not evidence. The evidence is in the prior post. To find evidence an audit must occur. Democratic states are now threatening both civil and criminal charges against any non state actors who request an audit.
But you knew this, and you agree with it. No audits ever, they keep showing too many issues.
Because circumstantial evidence is circumstantial doesn't mean it isn't evidence.
Yet many right wingers here, especially John, claimed circumstantial evidence shouldn’t have counted in Trump’s first impeachment trial.
Do you fucking understand civil vs criminal levels of evidence. They accused Trump of crimes you ignorant fuck.
Likewise the circumstantial evidence you point to was solely opinion testimony, not evidence that can be measured by any independent party.
You really are an ignorant person.
Trump losing was proof of rampant fraud. Jeez. Everyone voted for him because he's the most popular, least-polarizing president in history. The only explanation for Biden's win is fraud. Now you want actual "evidence"? The election results are the fucking evidence!!!
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4 posts where you ignore direct evidence because you are broken. Again, who do you think you are impressing? Jeff? White Mike?
First the group doing the analysis has an agenda. So let me suggest this, get an audit firm that all sides agree upon. Do the same analysis of Fulton County and another similar sized county (in any state) that all side agree had valid election returns. See if the two counties yield different error rates at a statistical level. Then you will have some evidence and not a pile of fertilizer.
These are literally pictures of the ballots.
Your parody is the pure example of cognitive bias. There are videos showing the ballots.
It is amazing how ignorant the left chooses to be.
Not pictures of the ballots, scanned images of identical ballots complete with different identifying batch numbers and scanners numbers
The database handed over for review was an image database of individual batches of ballots, so they only had access to the scanned images from the voting machine, not the ballots themselves.
My point zoomed over your head. This was more incriminating than the ballot. The same ballots scanned twice in different batches with identifiers of the scan and batch number on the images, proving they were counted twice.
It didn't zoom over, i understand what it means. I'm clarifying what was examined. The real ballots were not. These were the images from the machine.
Likewise there was a recount in GA which means they miscounted the votes twice which implies they did so fraudulently.
Note as well how the investigation has to be done on their terms--as if an audit firm "that both sides can agree on" would be more impartial than the one just doing scans of the ballots.
First the group doing the analysis has an agenda
Can say that about pretty much any "soshul jizztizz" advocacy group these days.
I’m curious how you could get an audit firm both sides agree on, when one of the sides won’t agree on an audit at all?
Neat trick, isn't it?
Well yeah, when they said "MOST SECURE ELECTION IN HISTORY!!!" they meant most secure against public scrutiny.
+10000
BREAKING: L.A. County will again require residents to wear masks in indoor public spaces, regardless of their vaccination status, starting this weekend, as coronavirus cases climb. Story to come.
Goddammit, I'm flying to Long Beach tomorrow.
Do Californians actually adhere to this shit, or is it mostly ignored?
Depends on the Californian. Some are going to rebel against this, for sure.
Completely undermines the goal of trying to get more people vaccinated. What’s the point if you still have to wear a mask.
And no one who has been vaccinated has gotten the new variant showing that the vaccine is good for that as well so there is no need for vaccinated to wear a mask and i don't care if the un vaccinated don't wear mask thats up to them its their body their choice
No, it’s not just their own body. Anyone who remains unvaccinated is adding to the risk of a new, deadly variant and its spread. There is no rational reason not to get vaccinated with the miraculous new mRNA vaccines; it’s all upside.
Is it rational to believe liars? Since I am not in the at risk of death categories and the federal medical establishment has lied over the course of the pandemic, I think I'm better off taking a wait and see approach.
White Mike's life depends on people believing liars though
What lies have been told by the “federal medical establishment” about the mRNA vaccines?
No idea about lies on the vaccines but I tuned the feds out a long time ago. Have been lied to about masks and the likelihood of a lab leak among other things. That's why I'll wait and see to see if any other lies shake out before I get jabbed.
It is one of his attempts to parse an argument down to a small sliver of the discussion so he can pretend he is right.
Vaccinated people still had to wear masks for one. Also they have been masking adverse reactions to it especially in children.
Well, given that nothing in your life is improved, the tiny risk of a problem with it seems worth not taking it.
Also, that the Left is SO pissy that their fear mongering over it last year has retarded vaccination rates now, it is just fine to watch progs self-immolate over somebody deciding that a .000003 risk of a problem is worth it.
Most leftists live in fear and are irresponsible for their own risks. You included. That is why you want an authoritative government to protect you.
If the vaccines don't prevent all infections, wouldn't that also put evolutionary pressure on the virus and potentially create more variants? Perhaps the vaccines are better than initially reported at preventing infection completely. I don't know. But it doesn't seem obvious that the vaccines wouldn't encourage the development of vaccine resistant variants.
For some reason the left likes to ignore actual evolution even while using it as a stick against creationists. They do it in their preference of a single point government (intelligent design) and they do it in belief of what the government can protect them from (in this case from ever being sick). It is more irrational than even most creationists. They don't believe in evolution as a means of societal growth, they just want it as a cudgel to attack others.
No, there is no such thing as “evolutionary pressure”.
It is among the non-vaccinated that mutations are occurring. The only “pressure” there are mistakes in genetic copying, mutations from gamma rays, etc. Those events occur at a low rate, but in a huge population of unvaccinated, they still occur. At that point, there is natural selection, but there is no “pressure”.
Excuse me if I chose the wrong word, but natural selections among mutations is exactly what I am talking about. If there is a variant that the vaccines are less effective for, then it will be selected for in people who are vaccinated. But as I said, if the vaccines are good enough at preventing infection, that's not much of a concern.
You had the right word. He's an idiot.
The variants have been arising from mutations in the unvaccinated, not the vaccinated.
How do you know?
And that's the only way it can ever be?
He is wrong. The delta variant is believed to be caused in India centers of vaccinated people, but the vaccinations were not fully effective so it mutated against the attempted vaccination measures.
The irony is he doesn't understand that based on CDC guidance, correct infections fare well against other variants. So by killing off one type of variant using wrong measures, it actually encourages other variants to spread and evolve instead.
Where did the delta variant come from? (a) India, a place with low vaccination rates, (b) somewhere else?
Where did the delta variant come from? (a) India, a place with low vaccination rates, (b) somewhere else?
You mean like Australia? Anyway, this is the lamest correlation = causation argument I've seen in a while.
Fucking idiot.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_pressure
Your understanding of science is why you thought it was H02.
Mike so should all of us start taking descovy to try to eliminate aids?
Really disingenuous question on your part. AIDS and COVID-19 do not spread from host to host in the same way at all.
Spread doesn't matter to the question about virus mutations. Youre avoiding the issue.
By the way, Moderna is working on an mRNA-based AIDS vaccine, and people who are at significant risk of contracting AIDS should take advantage of their vaccine when it becomes available. Not yo do so is just dumb.
Wait, not THEIR body? So now we can intrude on the sanctity of somebody's body for the greater good?
That will sure clear up some other issues.
I think you got this completely upside down. The vaccine isn't so you don't have to wear a mask it's so you don't get sick. The reason the masks are back is because the unvaccinated are getting sick and it's probably impractical to tell who is or isn't vaccinated so hence everyone wears the mask. Blame the unvaccinated or not. God help those people. Jesus christ.
One day you leftists will be able to control mother nature and nobody will ever get sick again.
I realize all that. I was speaking to how this undermines motivation to go get vaccinated among people who are at low risk of serious illness and respond only to selfish motivations.
"It's not my fault I hit you. It was that son of a bitch LBJ!!!" --- Lord of Strazele
Wear the mask. Don't wear the mask. I don't care if you're vaccinated or not, do what you want.
All that matters is politics. If you voted Trump then fuck the vaccine and fuck masks because fuck Biden. If you voted Biden then masks and vaccines are awesome because fuck Trump.
Sooooooo stupid
Lol. I love when you prove my comments correct. You mention him more than every other posters here a d claim it is others who are obsessed.
Also youre proving yourself the troll yet again today. Just switch to the sqrsly sock and be done with it.
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Poor sarc, he never starts shit. He's always the victim, the dear little lamb.
Please tell me you aren't against GMO foods.
Basically, there's a lot of magical thinking going on right now with the budget agreement, both in terms of how things will be paid for and how easy it will be to pass.
At this point, I don't think it even qualifies as "magical thinking" any more. It's all bullshit and everybody knows it. It's just that we're so far gone by now that nobody gives a shit. What's the difference between a trillion and ten trillion when you have no hope of ever repaying any of it anyway?
"Los Angeles County is bringing back its mask mandate"
Awesome.
I cannot wait until the Koch / Reason immigration agenda imports enough Democratic voters to turn all 50 states into California. Then the entire country will implement these progressive pro-science policies.
#LibertariansForMaskMandates
#(EvenThoughBidenAlreadyShutDownTheVirus)
Now, what was that thing called where strong leaders tried to use science to purify the population?
Early 20th century progressive dogma?
Since LA overwhelmingly votes Democrat, and since housing costs have skyrocket in LA, it appears that by reinstating their totalitarian mask mandate, LA County officials are trying to encourage tens of thousands of additional LA residents to move to Red states (so they can turn them Blue.
That also appears to be Joe Biden's political strategy (by relocating a million illegal immigrants to Red states).
After Jan 6th of this year one of the favorite talking points of the left was what would the response be if the Capitol protesters were black. Yesterday the chair of the black caucus led protesters into restricted areas of the Capitol. Shockingly nobody was shot. All arrested and released. None kept in pre trial detention.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/congressional-black-caucus-chair-arrested-for-protesting-on-capitol-hill
No fire extinguishers, so OK.
Damnit, good point.
DOJ “could not locate 59 of the 96 phones” used by Mueller’s team and after discovering that the department “failed to review over twenty phones for federal record preservation.”
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/gop-answers-missing-wiped-mueller-team-phones
"Horowitz’s 2018 report said there were technical problems that made it difficult to recover and review the thousands of text messages exchanged between Strzok and Page but noted there was 'no evidence' they "attempted to circumvent the FBI's text message collection capabilities."
I don't think Horowitz knows what "evidence" means
Magical thinking?
Humans have not changed since everyone believed in talking bushes and spells cast by vindictive neighbors. The current Democratic Party plan is just the modern equivalent of the tribal witch doctor telling the peasants that once they throw another dozen virgins into the volcano, everything will turn out great.
That only works if you can actually find a dozen virgins. Good luck with that.
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You should put "Idiot says mute list" after each one, eventually he will brag about his mute lists again then you can lulz.
Maybe I’ll do that next.
Easy to find those virgins if one just searches through the Commentariat. I'll be glad to toss a few of them into the volcano just to clean this place up.
You can put your hand down now.
I think if you were to throw the 12 oldest members of Congress into a volcano, the gods would bless us.
Sorry, volcanos spew too much greenhouse gas to allow them to continue to exist.
In 1984 Newspeak news....
U.S. officials have changed the name of various animals as the public has put a greater emphasis on identifying and correcting controversial language.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/officials-change-animal-names-over-discrimination-concerns
Critical Fish Theory.
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Fist will be mad at you for that one.
Ha!
They should not be coddled. The more carping the other side does the quicker they fall for the bait, hook line and sinker. For those recognizing it, maybe they’ll change their tuna bit.
Hardly new. The Atlantic Goliath Grouper was originally called the Jewfish.
I don't know if baiting the hook with a bagel works or not.
Gypsy moths and Asian carp; so when are they going to fix the Black Snake?
When classic rock stations stop playing Whitesnake.
Tawny Kitaen died.
I remember the first day I felt old. It was when they played G'n'R on classic rock. I bought Appetite when I was a kid. I really felt old when Nirvana got into the classic rock rotation. Fuuuuuuck.
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Great Tawny comeback moment - Bowling for Sout - 1985
Whitesnake was before my time, but I always thought the cougar in 1985 was incredibly hot. Didn't realize she was rock video royalty.
Surely you've seen the original video.
Yes, but not at the time. I was too young.
I couldn't finish. Watching JesseAz play bass made me puke in the back of my mouth.
*applause*
Awws. The troll who cries about mean girls continues to be a hypocrite. Lol.
At least you are not threatening me again.
But a weird statement from someone who is a fat alcoholic.
Remember everyone, sarcasmic never starts shit. He's a helpless little lamb being bullied by mean girls.
stabbed Chuck Finley in the chest with a stiletto at a red light. loved Tawny.
For me it was when some chick when back to her friends at the bar and said, "Ewww this old guy tried to pick me up!"
But yeah, "Smells Like Teen Spirit" in rotation with "The Lemon Song" is an abomination, and a stench unto the Lord.
WOW! AZ Audit Finds 74,000 Ballots Returned and Counted in 2020 Election with NO RECORD of Being Sent Out!
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/07/wow-az-audit-finds-74000-ballots-returned-counted-2020-election-no-record-sent/
Cleanest election ever, see M4E above.
Eagerly awaiting Mike Lairsen and Jacob Sullum to tell us that it was all an illusion.
It isn't evidence if you ignore all of the evidence - White Mike.
YouTube already took down the video of the hearings.
SCIENCE!!!!!!
NYT reveals how climate ‘attribution’ is tool to silence ‘denialists’: ‘Goal is to publicize any climate connection quickly, in part to thwart climate denialists’
https://www.climatedepot.com/2021/07/14/nyt-reveals-how-climate-attribution-is-tool-to-silence-denialists-goal-is-to-publicize-any-climate-connection-quickly-in-part-to-thwart-climate-denialists/
NYT: "The study is the latest in a growing body of research termed “rapid attribution” analysis, which aims to establish if there is a link between climate change and specific extreme events like heat waves, heavy rain storms and flooding. The goal is to publicize any climate connection quickly, in part to thwart climate denialists who might claim that global warming had no impact on a particular event. The study, which took a little more than a week, is not yet peer-reviewed or published in a scientific journal.
"Attribution" like that is always fucking dumb anyway. There are no discrete causes in atmospheric phenomena. Everything is caused by everything else. Climate change and global warming, whatever their extent and cause, are a cause of every weather event, whether it be a nice sunny day or an unusually big storm.
Meh. Rapid attribution has already been replaced with pre-attribution.
Which actually makes a lot more sense. See my comment above. Every bit of weather is caused by everything. It's just absurd and nearly meaningless to ask whether some particular storm or heat wave is caused or exacerbated by climate change.
If it fits the narrative it's climate, otherwise it's just weather.
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So the NYT is claiming they can finally trace how the butterflies wings in America effect the wind in Japan. Good for them.
Member of Facebook’s Oversight Board assures us that ‘free speech is not an absolute human right’
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/07/15/member-of-facebooks-oversight-board-assures-us-that-free-speech-is-not-an-absolute-human-right/
“Free speech is not an absolute human right,” says Helle Thorning Schmidt, member of Facebook’s Oversight Board and former PM of Denmark. “It has to be balanced with other human rights.”
How does that translate to content moderation? It must strike a balance, find a middle.
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1415789191074652164
Wondering if
@ACLU
plans on weighing in at some point soon about the fact that the Biden WH today boasted it is flagging posts it regards as "problematic" and telling FB to take them down immediately. Seems like a relevant issue for them.
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1415725320381079569
The Biden administration is telling Facebook which posts it regards as "problematic" so that Facebook can remove them.
This is the union of corporate and state power -- one of the classic hallmarks of fascism -- that the people who spent 5 years babbling about fascism support.
Biden Surgeon General Calls On Big Tech To Impose ‘Consequences’ For Violating ‘Platform Policies,’ ‘Proactively’ Provide Info From ‘Credible Sources’ To Fight ‘Health Misinformation’
https://www.dailywire.com/news/biden-surgeon-general-calls-on-big-tech-to-impose-consequences-for-violating-platform-policies-proactively-provide-info-from-credible-so
In a new report titled, “Confronting Health Misinformation,” President Biden’s U.S. Surgeon General has recommended that Big Tech companies — such as Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube — impose consequences for accounts that violate the private companies’ own policies.
In a section titled “What Technology Platforms Can Do,” Surgeon General Vivek Murthy outlined a list of suggested “product design and policy changes” technology platforms should focus upon to “slow the spread of misinformation.” According to the office of the surgeon general, health misinformation can be defined as “information that is false, inaccurate, or misleading according to the best available evidence.”
“Health misinformation is an urgent threat to public health. It can cause confusion, sow mistrust, and undermine public health efforts, including our ongoing work to end the COVID-19 pandemic,” said Murthy in a statement Thursday. “As Surgeon General, my job is to help people stay safe and healthy, and without limiting the spread of health misinformation, American lives are at risk. From the tech and social media companies who must do more to address the spread on their platforms, to all of us identifying and avoiding sharing misinformation, tackling this challenge will require an all-of-society approach, but it is critical for the long-term health of our nation.”
We can't have anybody sowing mistrust, we might reap non-compliance!
From the tech and social media companies who must do more to address the spread on their platforms, to all of us identifying and avoiding sharing misinformation, tackling this challenge will require an all-of-society approach
"Fools, said I, you do not know
Silence like a cancer grows"
When he was Obama's SG, Vivek Murthy lied about vaping (which are 99% less harmful than cigarettes, and have helped ten million Americans quit smoking) to lobby for FDA regulations that protected Big Tobacco's deadly cigarette oligopoly, banned >99.9% of nicotine vapor products on the US market, and is going to give Big Tobacco a new monopoly/oligopoly for vapor products (after FDA approves their vapor products).
So Murthy knows all about lying to the public about important health issues. He's also said many false things about covid.
What makes you think the ACLU has not already notified the White House (like with daily lists of recommended posts to certify as problematic)?
"It must strike a balance, find a middle."
Sounds like intermediate scrutiny; coming soon to a 1A case near you.
They found a middle all right. A middle finger for anyone not sufficiently marxist for them, that is as far as free speech goes for them.
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1415710811344064514
Nancy and Paul Pelosi Making Millions in Stock Trades in Companies She Actively Regulates
Water is wet.
So is melted ice cream.
Which is also proof of global warming.
Google Translate censors your translations. A dual language writer finds Google mistranslated an article written by a Palestinian professor for Al Jazeera showing the translation to English removed negative parts of the translation to hide some of the inflammatory rhetoric of the article.
https://pjmedia.com/columns/raymond-ibrahim/2021/07/15/how-google-translate-deceives-you-n1462217
"Behind the scenes, moderate Democrats are concerned about the price tag and potential tax hikes to pay for the package, which could provide fodder for classic GOP attacks."
OH NO, those dastardly Republicans are always pouncing!
Just like Hate Speech and Misinformation, Pouncing by the opposition party is not real free speech. The Administration needs to act soon to end it , of course in conjunction with Pryvit Cumpaneez everywhere
* I should add Pouncing by a White Nationalist extremist opposition party is not really Free Speech. Of course, a future theoretical opposition party representing all people is free to mount Classic Attacks like those described in the article. But we must also act now to prevent keep the White Nationalists from ever stealing anymore elections as well.
(Sanders also noted that "it doesn't provide all the funding that I would like to do right now.")
He went on to say, "I will draft legislation to appropriate the financial and material properties of all people who have a positive net worth. Others will have their debts forgiven, and can keep their stuff."
Jobless claims declined to 360,000 in the week ended July 10 from a seasonally adjusted 386,000 a week earlier. Last week's applications count marked the lowest level for claims since March 2020, the month the Covid-19 pandemic hit the U.S. economy.
The vast majority of this drop was on the 26 states that ended the enhanced benefits. Weirdly not included here.
Narratives Jesse, narratives.
https://twitter.com/nadabakos/status/1414679645098692618
My friend Rodney has accomplished A LOT in his lifetime, former CIA analyst, on the President’s Daily Briefing team, first Director of The Walt Disney Company’s Global Intelligence and Threat Analysis department, a partner at Crumpton Group. Now a contender on #topchefamateurs!
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I didn't realize Disney was a truly Global threat, just a threat in Asia, Europe, and North America
Where do you think they get their penguins?
Disney is so bad at global analysis and threat analysis they missed an entire Muslim concentration camp during filming.
They didn't "miss" it, per se...
A top guy at the CIA then Disney should be called the Lying King.
Well played
"But this is interesting: Twice as many Democrats trust public schools as do Republicans, 43% to 20%."
After a few years of CRT, expect that to read 90% to 0%.
NY Times ripped for equating 'freedom' as 'anti-government slogan'
https://www.foxnews.com/media/ny-times-ripped-equating-freedom-anti-government-slogan
"Los Angeles County is bringing back its mask mandate"
Gearing up to fortify the recall election?
This is good new. People will be so angry they will vote the Fucker in Chief out.
https://twitter.com/FBI/status/1414192827026878465
Family members and peers are often best positioned to witness signs of mobilization to violence. Help prevent homegrown violent extremism. Visit ... to learn how to spot suspicious behaviors and report them to the #FBI. #NatSec
https://www.facebook.com/nytimes/posts/10152717741434999
The New York Times
June 30 at 3:25 AM ·
Children are taught to identify traitors. Neighbors are urged to report one another. Officials are pressed to pledge their loyalty.
One year after it imposed a harsh national security law, China has remade Hong Kong. This is how the city’s freedom was taken.
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=17376494
Private life in communist Russia, he says, reduced people to a breed of whisperers — people scared to give full voice to doubts or dissidence, and whispering dark secrets behind the backs of neighbors, friends and even family. Stalin's regime relied heavily on "mutual surveillance," urging families to report on each other in communal living spaces and report "disloyalty." Many people did what they could to survive, but they dealt with shame and guilt long after Stalin's reign.
Watched a documentary (Al Jazera? Or maybe DW) regarding the long-term effects of living under a similar thought police system in Romania.
Children are taught to identify traitors. Neighbors are urged to report one another. Officials are pressed to pledge their loyalty.
How the fuck is that any different from the US?
It is different because the NYT cheers and participates in the latter.
Hong Kong is the Democrat's America 10 years in the future, except with more heterosexuality and individual wealth. The Chinese mainland is an aspiration.
What a maolevolent thought.
Ba dum tissss
Come on. Informants are only agents of oppression if the wrong party is in charge. When the right party holds power, informants are social justice warriors.
Fucking humans deserve themselves.
"In El Salvador, a woman named Sara was sentenced to 30 years in prison after losing her baby"
Well, as long as she did not lose her mask.
The reality is that, at this time, there is no side really speaking out for spending controls and that is because there is no compromising. If moderate Ds and moderate Rs could come together they could exercise some control. But Joe Manchin can not do it alone. And if the Republican regard control Mitt Romney will not be able to stop Republican spending. Getting control is hard work and requires the middle to cooperate.
Hey, GFY, gaslighting nitwit
And, of course, Mitt Romney is now labeled as a “RINO” in the bold new Alice in Wonderland world of the Trump-boot-licking Republican Party.
Trump is the Republican Party. If you disagree then you're a leftist caricature.
You *ARE* a TDS-addled pile of shit. No one other than your bubble buddies disagees.
You bring up Trump more than almost anybody else on this site.
And the sorry sumbitch claims *others* are afflicted.
Mitt Romney is not even right wing enough to qualify as a RINO. He's basically a democrat.
Could say the same thing about Trump until five or six years ago.
Yes, it was a real concern. But he governed like a libertarian (mostly).
I'd take him easily over the alternatives both in 2016 and now, but let's not get too carried away here.
Name one better in the last 100 years.
Governing like a libertarian requires more than being preferable to the alternatives.
Is Coolidge more than 100 years ago now? He was the last good president. And it will probably remain so forever.
How many times are you going to mention him today?
He was even chums with Hillary.
Mitt Romney is now labeled as a “RINO”
Mitt Romney was always labeled as a “RINO”, you cheap demagogue. Even during his presidential run.
You keep trying to rewrite the narrative, huh?
It's been known for years that Mitt is more comfortable attacking Republicans than Democrats. Romney was dramatically more negative on his opponents in the 2012 primaries than he was against Obama in the general.
Romney initiated Romneycare then banned certain guns while governor of Mass. If it walks like a rino and has a horn like a rino…
The people voting against all this spending are just as much to blame as the people writing it into law and voting for it. Right?
(And illegally using procedures to work around the safeguards that are in place to prevent passage)
That's retarded.
"If moderate Ds and moderate Rs..."
Do you have names of these supposed "moderates" or do they all reside in your fantasy land where all if fair and just?
Joe Manchin said he supports the vast majority of the 3.5 Trillion dollar bill...
He isn't a centrist. He plays one on TV to avoid a recall.
He's a West Virginian. West Virginia relies heavily on the federal government but also has an eye on how the federal government will turn around and fuck them over. He's using the moment to position himself to be the next Robert Byrd, so he can bring home the pork but stave off crippling regulations. I always suspected Obama wouldn't have pushed his coal regs through the EPA if Byrd had still been alive.
You’re a parody.
"The reality is that, at this time, there is no side really speaking out for spending controls and that is because there is no compromising..."
You and the remainder of the TDS-addled assholes got exactly what you wanted.
Now you can stuff it up your ass so your head has some company.
I guess all the reproductive health news from El Salvador drowned out any mention of Jen Psaki's presser in Liz's Twitter feed.
I commented in Robbies article yesterday that Reason would otherwise ignore it. I wasn’t being hyperbolic.
Guardian: Mass Immigration is Easing the Transition to a Climate Friendly Low Birthrate Future
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/07/11/guardian-mass-immigration-is-easing-the-transition-to-a-climate-friendly-low-birthrate-future/
Medical Journal: ‘Parents Should Lose Veto Power’ over Children Going Trans
https://www.breitbart.com/health/2021/07/12/medical-journal-disregard-parents-who-reject-kids-transgender-claims/
This is sadly what Democrats now believe. They've been open about it with their defense of CRT, access to abortion, etc.
I can see the progs going from "Kids are old enough to consent to castration and chopping their breasts off, to "Kids are old enough to consent to sex with adults", pretty easily.
If they can vote in enough candidates to support it. Erections matter.
https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1413658719938748428
A Pfizer exec admitted that Pfizer put its vaccine trial on ice from late Oct. to day after election:
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"... if Pfizer had held to the original plan, the data would likely have been available in October, as its CEO, Albert Bourla, had initially predicted."
...Here's my November 11, 2020 column explaining in detail how Trump was denied his October Surprise (or, most likely, Monday, November 2, 2020 Surprise) of an announcement that the Pfizer vaccine had achieved spectacular efficacy:
https://issuesinsights.com/2021/07/15/another-global-warming-fact-alarmists-want-buried/
Take, for instance, a new report that shows greenhouse gas emissions are not an American or Western problem. They are primarily a Chinese problem. A study from Sun Yat-sen University in China found that more than half of the world’s urban greenhouse gas emissions are generated in only 25 big cities, and 23 of them are located in China.
In other words, if the entire developed world cut its greenhouse gas emissions as activists, politicians, journalists, and celebrities have demanded, nothing would change regarding the climate. (This assumes human carbon dioxide emissions are responsible for warming the planet, which is a load of speculation that’s yet to be proved.)
The paper’s findings remind us of the great plastic scare that’s “inspired” lawmakers to outlaw single-use plastic bags, plastic straws, plastic utensils, and other modern products, in a mass pretense of doing something when in reality they’re doing nothing but inconveniencing people.
The data show 90% of ocean plastic pours into the sea from “the top 10 rivers with the highest loads” of plastic debris, according to the Helmholtz Centre for Environmental Research in Germany. None are in the U.S., which contributes only about 1% percent of all plastic debris found at sea. Eight of them though are in Asia, while two are in Africa.
But what about the smug sanctity and feelings of moral superiority that green activists in the West crave?
Got a direct deposit into my checking from the IRS yesterday. Just to be sure, that's an advanced on the deduction, right? That's gonna screw things up at filing time. What a fucking mess.
Fuck off and die; you got what you deserve, TDS-addled asshole.
Knowing Sevo to be a one-trick-pony with a vocabulary that consists mainly of "Die leftist scum," "Go kill yourself," and other turds of wisdom, I'm at a loss as to what he'd say in response to me getting money I never asked for from the feds. Must be something mean and nasty, but based upon what? I'm almost curious enough to unmute him.
Almost.
Remember when just this week you threatened to put me in a hospital... But here you're a victim. Weird.
Once again, you can thank me for peeking so you don’t have to. He went with calling you TDS-addled and wishing your death.
Like school at five in the morning...
Hey, Mike! Does he pay you to be a lackey, or are you just the pathetic piece of shit you appear to be?
It is a caws and effect relationship. Some woke idiot posts something mendacious and Sevo caws them out for it.
Knowing sarc to be a whiny TDS-addled pile of shit, his comment is predictable.
Hey, you got rid of the mean tweets, now you got what you deserve, asshole.
You sound poor. I'm sure you are ecstatic at getting government money.
The national debt stands at over $28,528,000,000,000. That works out to $226,974 per tax payer.
Go ahead, add another 3,500,000,000,000,
It's not like anyone will have to pay for it, right?
As long as the government pays interest on its debt, people will keep buying it. When that interest consumes the entire budget, things will get very interesting.
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Does hyper-inflation count as "paying"?
(That reminds me, I need to start borrowing lots of money.)
I feel like such a chump for working hard to get out of debt. The wise thing to do is to borrow shitloads of money now because the future dollars you use to pay it back will be worthless.
Says the guy crowing about his IRS check above. LOL.
Screetch you couldn't borrow enough for a cup of coffee.
Leave the finance side of things to people with real knowledge. You go back to your job sacking groceries.
Get back to me when your credit score exceeds 820.
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Get back to us when you post something believable.
I don't carry that kind of cash on me. Will you take a check?
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/okm5xl/new_zealand_pm_jacinda_arden_says_dismiss/
New Zealand PM Jacinda Arden says “dismiss anything else: we will continue to be your single source of truth.” At 0:23-0:28
Well, socialists and aboriginals have always believed in omniscient magical fairies, right?
“dismiss anything else: we will continue to be your single source of truth.”
I keep thinking that we in the West are all part of a giant Candid Camera skit, and one day we'll be told; "Surprise! Your leadership, media and educational institutions didn't go insane, we were just pretending to be fascist and retarded".
we will continue to be your single source of truth
How to identify a cult.
Fuck this stupid twat (would). Didn't New Zealand used to be sort of cool?
It was cool when they filmed LTR there. Sucked before, sucked since.
Depends how you feel about sheep.
Flight of the Conchords is great. What We Do In the Shadows was also great. Although the show isn’t as funny as the movie, it’s still pretty funny.
I quite enjoyed Hunt for the Wilderpeople
It is kiwi call her out for this shit.
"LA County requires masks again, 2 California counties recommend it"
https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Yolo-County-face-mask-recommendation-16316894.php
The e-version doesn't have the graph showing the absolutely frightening surge they are seeing: 10 people per 100,000!
That's right, the karens are petrified because100th of 1% of the population is infected!
Not dead, not hospitalized, not under treatment, but diagnosed!
JFree! Way to GO!
"Magical Thinking Abounds in New Budget Deal Discourse"
Is Sullum satisfied?
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/12/biden-covid-vaccination-campaign-499278
Biden allied groups, including the Democratic National Committee, are also planning to engage fact-checkers more aggressively and work with SMS carriers to dispel misinformation about vaccines that is sent over social media and text messages.
here everything u wanna know about
"So who do Democrats trust instead?"
Chinese Communists, the inept but corrupt "Big Guy", totalitarian left wing Democrat Governors who destroyed the US economy last year, lockdown loving Tony Fauci, deep state Democrats at FBI/DOJ who lied about and framed Trump and his supporters, teachers' unions, Chris Cuomo, Rachel Maddow, Don Lemon, NYT, WaPo, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube and other left wing propaganda outlets that censor the truth and cancel anyone who tells the truth.
But this is interesting: Twice as many Democrats trust public schools as do Republicans, 43%...
Not so much trust the schools to educate their children, as to indoctrinate other peoples children into woke and magical thinking.
They educate their own children privately.
"It addresses almost all of the issues that progressives and working class people feel are important." Which working class people? One can be fairly certain that the only people that the dunce is exposed to outside of DC and Burlington are progressives who work, whom he intentionally mislabels working class. Bernie has next to no exposure to the working class, much like he has no exposure to the realities of economics.
>>With President Biden in the White House, 62% of Ds said they trust the presidency
ya but swallow whole the 80 million votes lol
More people voted for Biden than any other president in US history, in the highest percentage turnout in one hundred and fifty years, and if you think it's suspicious we'll ban you.
“In El Salvador, a woman named Sara was sentenced to 30 years in prison after losing her baby”
Did she check the US-Mexico border?
lost like at the mall or did Liz misspell moider?
I'm guessing it's miscarry.
Is Bernie making a racist gesture in the top photo? Asking for a friend...
Yes apparently he is, although it will get completely ignored by the uber woke.
Sock puppet Mikey will be here to refute soon...
Made ya look!
The funny part is that Dems think doubling federal spending and jacking up taxes by 50% won't come back to cost them in 2022.
They lost 2022 the moment the border went to shit, and they know it. Now they're just trying to get everything in while they can, knowing that in government, spending levels change in only one direction.
LA County: masks didn't stop this thing, so we're bringing them back!
Political thinking, not magical at all.
Hmm... if you want to be an anti-imperialist peace party which one should you join?
Yougov poll 7/2021: Support troop withdrawal from Afghanistan, Democrat: 65%, Republican: 7%
now do (D) congress people instead of college girls.
Another poll this month found appreciably different numbers. But we can all agree that if 7% of Republicans support something that a majority of Democrats support that is considered bipartisan support.
"Hmm… if you want to be an anti-imperialist peace party which one should you join?"
Woodrow Wilson
FDR
LBJ
Yep, really a "peace" party, at least to lefty assholes like this.
Add in Jefferson Davis
“ including an expansion of the temporary child tax credit, expansion of Medicare benefits, subsidized preschool, a national paid leave program, immigration reform measures, climate measures, broadband access promotion, anti–gig economy provisions, more funding for the Department of Justice's antitrust division, and more”
So payments to breeders, retirees, unnecessary pre-schooling, ineffective climate change measures, free internet, banning Uber, punishing successful companies, and more.
Who gets excited about this?
Bluesers do.
This is the most consequential piece of legislation passed since the Great Depression...
Just not the consequences they're selling.
A Gallup poll conducted June 1 through July 5 finds "Americans' trust in all big institutions has cratered..."
Each side is half right.
Los Angeles County is bringing back its mask mandate...
Play the classics.
"Magical Thinking Abounds in New Budget Deal Discourse"
In the category of unsurprising headlines, this fits right in with "War Dims Hopes for Peace."
Spend more, turn a recession into a depression then extend it. Grats Bernie.