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Donald Trump's Presidency Is Over. MAGA Rap Is Keeping His Legacy Alive.

Songs like "Gun Totin' Patriot" and "We Outside" might be ridiculous, Trump-worshiping schlock, but their embrace of controversial themes breathes some rebelliousness back into rap.

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If you don't pay too much attention to the lyrics, there's not much to distinguish the music video for the song "Gun Totin' Patriot," by rappers Bryson Gray and Forgiato Blow, from others of the same genre.

There are the big SUVs, even bigger guns, a healthy contingent of video hoes, a red "Make America Great Again" bucket hat on top of Gray's head, a lifelike mannequin of former President Donald Trump in military fatigues…OK, it's actually not much like your typical rap video.

Rather, you're watching what might be considered the anthem for the niche subgenre (fans and performers might claim they're a silent majority) of "MAGA rap"—a collection of Trump-worshiping artists who've come to life in YouTube videos and hours-long Spotify playlists. They're only gaining steam in the aftermath of Trump's failed reelection bid.

Musically, there's not much to distinguish these MAGA rappers. The beats are all pretty generic. The use of autotune is generous. Instead, it's the lyrics that really elevate the listening experience.

Your average MAGA rap track sounds like N.W.A. and OANN had a baby. The songs are dense with Trump-world conspiracy theories that only the really online will know about, served up alongside the standard mythology that fans of "45" are the real victims of censorship and oppression.

A representative snippet from "Gun Totin' Patriot":

This for free thinkers only you ain't got no membership
They free General Flynn out the cage 'cause he innocent
Pardon Roger Stone cause the world know that he innocent
We need to kick out every single illegal immigrant
Mandatory voter ID laws we need to implement
Tell Jesse Smollett that I know this MAGA country
Tell China we know they tryin' to play us like some dummies

The political context in which this music has been created serves as another draw for the genre.

Take Forgiato Blow's track "We Outside" about the artist's attendance at the January 6 "Stop the Steal" rally-turned-riot. The music video, also filmed at the rally, features Blow walking around downtown D.C. and the Capitol grounds, ranting about antifa and cavorting with fans and compatriots seemingly as smitten by the rapper's presence as they are riled up about keeping Trump in the Oval Office.

It's a ridiculous spectacle made no more serious by Blow's bright red Skittles-branded jacket. There's still something seriously menacing and rebellious about the song when one considers the context and intended target of lyrics like we outside, whole gang outside.

That makes the subgenre controversial, to say the least. Yet that same controversy is perhaps the best thing MAGA rap has to offer the genre it's descended from.

For much of its history, rap and hip-hop drew a lot of their identity and energy from slaughtering the sacred calves of mainstream taste and opinion with songs laden with themes of violence, drug use, and gratuitous sex. Today, the same images fail to ruffle the feathers of polite society. Instead, they're embraced by those with power and influence.

N.W.A.'s famous song "Fuck tha Police" was once shocking and offensive enough that the FBI tried to stop its release.

Today, that same line is practically mainstream. The "defund the police" movement that sprung up in the summer of 2020 even converted that once-underground sentiment into a respectable progressive policy goal. Cardi B's near-pornographic single "WAP" horrified a handful of conservative commentators. It also earned a glowing write-up in The New York Times.

In this new reality, it seems, embracing anything remotely related to right-wing politics is one of the few ways rap artists can kick up controversy like they used to.

This is even true for artists who are in no way conservative. Lots of people might disagree with the socialist, pro–gun rights politics of Killer Mike, one half of the Run the Jewels rap duo. Yet it wasn't until the artist decided to air his views on NRATV that people really got upset.

Still, one shouldn't single out MAGA rap for undue praise. Much like Trump himself, the genre's rebellious nature is a lot more heat than light. Take Blow's song "Ashli Babbitt"—named after the woman shot by Capitol Police on January 6. It tries to both lionize rioters while also making clear that Blow himself did not engage in any specific criminal activity.

"I was on a battlegrounds," he says in the song. "I was not in no Capitol though. Never went up in the Capitol. I was just there seeing it firsthand."

"Fuck tha Police," people might recall, came with fewer caveats about the band's criminality.

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  1. Then there’s the rumor that if you play “Sympathy For The Devil” backwards, there’s a hidden message from Mick Jagger where he whispers ominously, “Do your homework, eat your vegetables, listen to your parents”. Scary shit, but music has always been about pushing the boundaries on what’s acceptable to say.

    1. You know how Kenny Rodgers sang about the 400 children and the crop’s in the field? When Lucille left him, his mule got lame, and he lost his money in a poker game?

      https://www.kissthisguy.com/400-children-in-a-crop-in-the-field-kenn-misheard-8472.htm

      Take THAT particular album (as well as some other Country Western albums) and play it /them backwards and…

      …you get your truck back…

      …you get your woman back…

      …you get your mule back…

      …you get your gambling debts back…

      … and SOOO much more!

      1. Gosh, is that an original? I’m pretty sure that I heard that joke on Hee Haw when I was a youngster.

        If you play a Cardi B song backwards:
        You get a dry pussy.
        You don’t get drugged and robbed.
        She never gets to interview a presidential candidate.
        She is back stripping in dives and putting chumps to sleep with a “Mickey”.

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    2. I have newfound respect for Mick Jagger after reading yesterday that he turned down a shitload of money to write yet another celebrity autobiography. He tried but found it boring, and that it dredged painful stuff from his past.

      He said anybody who wants to know his life story can look him up on Wikipedia.

      1. I’ve always respected him. He’s a tax dodger who didn’t want to pay his fair share.

      2. So you respect someone whose history is available and is so wealthy he can turn down further offers and thereby deny others income to be laudable?
        How fucking stupid are you, TDS-addled asshole?

        1. Amazing. You turned a discussion about Mick Jagger into a political discussion. Well, you tried to.

          1. It was Keith who came up with the idea of adding the samba percussion in Sympathy for the Devil which is what really makes it such a great song. Mick wrote it as kind of a Dylan tune.

            1. “Mick, you ignorant slut!…You ‘n’ all yer liberal clap-trap!…Ye got’a git-‘n’-go-wit-da-go-‘n’-git!”

      3. The Keith Richards book was good.

        1. Maybe Jagger is afraid his book wouldn’t turn out as good as Keith’s. I’ll check it out.

          There was nothing funnier, after all expectations of Keith’s early death, than his recent Christmas photos wearing matching pajamas with, like, his daughter and grandkids. If I recall, he was gathered in front of the fire, sipping eggnog.

      4. It’s been a bad week in Mustique .An intelligent LSE dropout like Mick should pay Walter Isaacson to ghost his bio, and split the takings to cover the cost of digging out Stargroves when the Soufirere eruption dies down.

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    6. Play it all sideways on your record player like Sleepy, Creepy,, Crazy, Crankie, Tankie, Corn-Pop, Lunch-Bucket, Shot-Gun Joe and it all sounds the same, i.e. like a needle scratching vinyl.

  2. You just can’t quit him.

    1. It reminds me of narcocorridos, except for banned political thought instead of drugs.

      Britschigi is trying to mock it, but this kind of shit scares them, because in many ways it’s narrative busting, and also it’s truly grass roots. It doesn’t come from the pen of a millionaire singer or billionaire studio like the Democrats stuff.

      1. It’s counter-culture, and really highlights how the left has become so thoroughly the establishment.

    2. So what exactly is the recovery time for TDS? I’m sure some of the minor symptoms are permanent, but will the major symptoms clear up in 6 months? A year?

      1. Never. The scars are too deep.

        1. They need an Emmanuel Trumpstein to unite them in hate and define who they are.

      2. They didn’t stop talking about Bush 1 or 2 for several years. They didn’t stop talking about Clinton or Obama for years. They won’t stop talking about Trump for years.
        Hillary will be hated for eternity.

      3. Many progs will need to be euthanized. Tony, Dee, Jeffy, SQRLSY, Buttplug, etc.. all lost causes.

        1. Traitor you need to be court martialed for treason.

          Treasonus hick

          1. You must be looking in a mirror when you say that. I’m a patriot.

            You’re not. Leftists can’t be patriots. Only traitors.

    3. [WE] mobs gotta [WE] mobster mentality.

      Trumps legacy was all about DE-REGULATION of years of increased Nazism (National Socialism), Cutting the powers of the federal regime, actually preventing USA invasion and a constant direction towards the Constitutional Union of Republican States of WHICH the USA is.

      but ya know; lefty [WE] mobster gangs have to gangster everything and everybody. They’re too stupid to be anything but a pack of sheep following each other around and waving gangster colors.

  3. Meanwhile at BLM rallies…

    “We’ve been protesting for a really long time,” Rahim continued. “How much longer can we protest and march in the streets before we are ready, really ready, to get blood on their hands because one of these days, it’s going to have to come to that.”

    “Bringing about that change is not going to always be pretty, and it’s not going to be peaceful,” he predicted. “I don’t condemn who loot, I support them for looting. I support people who take matters in their own hands. If you want to set something on fire, go do that.”

    Won’t even get into the blue anon nonsense that continues.

    1. You are referring to this:

      https://www.breitbart.com/law-and-order/2021/04/16/watch-blm-activist-asks-when-people-ready-to-get-blood-on-their-hands/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

      There is nothing in that article associating Rahim B with Black Lives Matter. From a Google search, it looks like he is associated with a group called Freedom Fighters DC, which may be black Muslim affiliated.

      This is another example of your sloppy use of guilt by association when it comes to Black Lives Matter.

      1. My God man. Your defensive ignorance is beyond the pale at this point. You can find videos of where he was talking. You can go find his activism online. You refuse because you’re a leftist who excuses reality when it is inconvenient.

        1. “You can find videos of where he was talking.”

          If you are referring to the fact that he was giving his speech in Black Live Matter Plaza, giving a speech in that location does not make him affiliated with the Black Lives Matter organization.

          1. Where is the notarized membership card?

            1. So, you have no actual argument or evidence showing that Rahim B is affiliated with or a representative of the Black Lives Matter organization.

              1. Dee, you bitch!

          2. But anyone who makes an OK sign, or was at the Capitol for the deadly Halon Insurrection, or uses phrases like master bathroom is a White Supremacist

            1. No doubt there are people who believe those things. Nobody here as far as I know.

              1. Tony and chemjeff and that American Socialist fuck or whatever his name was.

          3. The vast majority attending BLM events and protests are not members of the organization called “black lives matter” (much to their credit as the “official” BLM org is fucking evil).

      2. By the way. It is amazing how you pushed trump russia, including the bounty story, without question because reporters tell you what they heard.

        Yet when Andy Ngo and other on the ground reporters who know who the leadership and activists are blm are and quote them, you pretend that blm is not involved. It is just chosen biased ignorance at this point.

        Did glibs already kick you for your usual ignorant sophistry?

        1. “It is amazing how you pushed trump russia, including the bounty story, without question because reporters tell you what they heard”

          Given his modus operandi, I’m sure that he knew that it was a lie from the start.
          It is amusing to watch every single one of his narratives fall apart constantly on him though.

        2. “By the way. It is amazing how you pushed trump russia…”

          Cite? You won’t find one.

          I rarely participate in discussion about Trump and Russia, let alone push anything about that topic. I was extremely busy working in those years, wasn’t following the news then, and don’t feel qualified to discuss the topic.

          1. You aren’t qualified to discuss anything.

            1. Between the two of us, the comments I have made have had substance: argument and citation; the comments you have made are content-free personal insults.

              That would tend to indicate you are the one who is not qualified to discuss anything.

              1. Dee, you bitch!

                Which is all the comment your lying, ignorant, sniveling ass is worth.

          2. Oh, but you were an active commenter during the Obama years, always standimg up to Tony….

            That was a really short career you had there

      3. Time after time you play dumb. Even when blm groups support violence and looting. You lut your head in the sand like a good useful idiot.

        https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2020/08/11/black-lives-matter-activists-defend-monday-night-looting-in-chicago-n2574108

        The amount of evidence you require to defend your leftist nature is astounding. And then for anything anti right it just takes a single anonymous source to a reporter and you repeat it ad nauseum even after the story is retracted like the fire extinguisher.

        You ever find it weird you ask for rewards to criticize the left or can’t condemn obviously bad statements from people supporting and in blm?

        1. Ah, now you are dropping your claims about Rahim B, because you cannot back them up.

          1. No, he’s just taking time to discredit you. And you are deflecting. Typical WK.

            Dee, you bitch!

          2. Rahim B had a fire extonguisher

      4. Lol, that hit a nerve among the fifty-centers. Just look at WK try to dissemble.

        1. I showed that the speaker he quoted, Rahim B, was not speaking at a BLM rally. That isn’t just me trying, that is me succeeding.

          1. So what the hell was he referring to when he said: ““We’ve been protesting for a really long time,” Rahim continued. “How much longer can we protest and march in the streets before we are ready, really ready, to get blood on their hands because one of these days, it’s going to have to come to that.”

            Klan rallies? A pride parade? The circus came to town? Because it sure sounds like Rahim B was referring to BLM rallies, to me.

            “B-b-b-but he wasn’t at a BLM rally when he said those specific words about the protests he’d been at!”

            Oh FFS, you shitposting weasel.

            1. He was probably referring to black, and possibly other minority, people protesting. Which would be more general than black people who have protested as part of a BLM-organized protest event.

              Its a shame I can’t draw you a Venn diagram, but imagine a circle that completely contains a small circle. The smaller circle is labeled “BLM-organized protests”, the bigger circle is labeled, “protests against perceived systemic racism in policing”.

      5. Where’s your proof that he wasn’t speaking for BLM?

        I can’t find anything from the millionaire in charge of Black Lives Matter refuting the comment.

  4. “Take Blow’s song “Ashli Babbitt”—named after the woman shot by Capitol Police on January 6.” “It tries to both lionize rioters while also making clear that Blow himself did not engage in any specific criminal activity.”

    Yes, Preach on my MAGA Rappin’ Brother. Meanwhile, the NYT is rocking their peeps with actual video of the rioters put to the lyrics of the cops emergency radio calls. Troof!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pe241gW0dQ

    1. Important to remember when it is VITAL you take the cops’ side on an issue and when not to….

  5. Elitists hate average people. There’s a political price for saying that out loud, though, so they dog pile on anyone who represents the interests of average people. Don’t call average people “deplorables”. Go after their leaders! It’s what gave Trump his power, really.

    The reason a billionaire casino magnate from New York City became the legit champion of average people in middle America is because elitist politicians and the press condemned Trump in the same terms they’d used to condemn middle America during the Obama administration.

    Progressives despise average Americans as racist, sexist, xenophobic, homophobic, uneducated, stupid, deplorables, etc., and when they went after Trump in the same terms, they just convinced average Americans that Trump was one of them.

    Almost everything we see Biden and the Democrats doing right now, they’re doing it because they know average Americans hate it, and if they don’t do it now, they’ll never be able to get it done. They were given this opportunity because of the lockdowns and the pandemic–not because average Americans share Biden and Pelosi’s vision for America.

    Progressives want to add two new states to the Senate because they know they can’t count on the American people to support their policies. The progressives want to pack the Supreme Court because they know they can’t count on the American people to persist in the progressives’ preferred policies in the future should their progressive legislation be declared unconstitutional today.

    Being progressive is all about using the coercive power of government to force us to make sacrifices for what progressives say is the common good, but you can’t force average Americans to make sacrifices without making an enemy of average Americans. That’s why they demonize average Americans as deplorables and insurrectionists. That’s why progressives are the enemy of average Americans.

    1. Whining, defeated, disaffected, below-average clingers are among my favorite culture war casualties.

      1. Thanks for helping me make my point about how progressives hate average Americans and are the enemy of average Americans. I’d warn you that saying things like this will only fuel populism because elitism is the sunshine and rain that makes populism grow, but progressives, typically, have a problem understanding trade offs. You’re probably not smart enough to understand the consequences of your actions.

        1. Sometimes the Reverend likes to underline his political adversaries points by being an excellent example.

          1. He, apparently, thinks it’s smart to tell average America how much he hates them, too. I swear, it’s like a religious movement. They basically treat us like heathens for not accepting their religion.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB3e5zsvmbQ

            1. A half-century ago, the average American was a bigot. Today, the bigots are on the defensive, having been defeated by their betters in the culture war. When right-wingers talk about “average” Americans, they refer to the half-educated bigots, superstitious slack-jaws, and disaffected, backwater clingers who constitute the current Republican-conservative electoral coalition. The average American today is part of the liberal-libertarian mainstream that has been shaping our national progress — against the wishes and efforts of conservatives — for more than a half-century.

              1. Pour on the hate. Fuel the fire.

              2. “Americans, they refer to the half-educated bigots, superstitious slack-jaws, and disaffected, backwater clingers who constitute the current Republican-conservative electoral coalition. The average American today is part of the liberal-libertarian mainstream that has been shaping our national progress

                This is cultural creationism.

                You still haven’t mastered Darwin, much less the Adam Smith Darwin was based on. Even Darwin understood altruism as a factor that emerged from dumb actors pursuing their own best interests.

                Average people were evolving social mores for thousands of years before Smith wrote Theory of Moral Sentiments. Our economy doesn’t require a central planner any more than the evolution of man required a God–and our mores evolved from the actions and choices of average people, too, whose ideas were by no means as enlightened as our own.

                Geese fly in v-formation, with spacing and with flight angles, as if they understood the physics and equations of aerodynamics. However, they don’t understand anything about physics at all. They’re merely following the path of least resistance within the constraints the markets place on their survival. But when they follow their own best interests and the path of least resistance, it makes them behave as if they understood things they couldn’t possibly understand.

                They didn’t need a supreme council of ingenious geese to evolve a knowledge of physics and calculus before they flew in v-formation. If “stupid” geese had been limited by a supreme council of experts to only doing what the supreme council of geese understood, they wouldn’t be allowed to fly in v-formation and the species would have gone extinct long ago.

                The same thing happens with the emergence of altruism. The same thing happens in all markets. The same thing happens in evolution because organisms are subject to constraints imposed by markets. If altruism didn’t exist anywhere in the natural world except for mankind, that would be an excellent argument for the existence of God. Unfortunately for Christians, the natural world is full of examples of species that have evolved altruism from natural processes and markets–just as Adam Smith wrote about in 1759. Species as intellectually limited as insects exhibit altruistic behaviors, and you think your fellow human beings are capable of less?

                You seem to have it all backwards. Average Americans didn’t change their minds about segregation because elitists in Congress, academia, and the press told them to do so. The government changed the law because so many average Americans changed their minds about segregation–some of them because they believed in the principles of Christianity. Gay rights legislation didn’t come to the fore because elitists said it should. As people like David Bowie, Elton John, Freddie Mercury, and Boy George became increasingly acceptable by the public, discriminating against such people became increasingly unacceptable. Until very recently, there weren’t any examples of state governments imposing marijuana legalization on an unwilling public. Rather, even deep blue states like California, Oregon, and Massachusetts had to impose legalization on their legislatures through popular referendums because the elitists in Sacramento and elsewhere wanted to keep throwing people in prison for growing and possessing quantities of marijuana.

                Your contempt for the mores of average people doesn’t seem to have much of a rational basis. In fact, it appears to be counterproductive. The elitists always seem to be the ones in the way of what you call “progress”. Change happens from the ground up, not from the top-down, and it appears to have been that way since long before we developed the first Sumerian cities. Our altruism appears to have developed from the bottom up since before we developed our opposable thumbs.

                1. Nice to see you Rufus.

                  Paul is dead. I am the walrus.

              3. The “average” American doesn’t give a crap because it doesn’t interest them at all. The “average” American is hardly liberal-libertarian. They just don’t care. They really, really don’t care. They want what they worked for and they want to live in peace and quiet. How much of the population even voted in the last election? Less than half.

                1. Very true.

                2. Average Americans express themselves honestly through market participation.

                  Markets are people making choices, and anyone who imagines they understand what 325 million people want better than 325 million people do themselves–as expressed through their market participation–is necessarily wrong. A group of central planners, legislators, and a president cannot make better choices for 325 million Americans than 325 million Americans can for themselves–from 325 million different unique perspectives.

                  Adam Smith explained this to us more than 200 years ago, and history and reality have shown him to be 100% correct about that.

                  The voice of the people is in their shopping carts.

                  Representative democracy has a proper purview, but it also has the problem of being insufficiently democratic compared to markets since people can represent themselves in markets–many times a day, too, rather than every two or four years. In markets, they can even represent their qualitative preferences by refusing to participate.

                  1. This whole thread of conversation started with your claiming to know what the “average American” thinks and wants.

              4. How did we have a Civil Rights movenment 60 years ago if everyone was still a bigot 50 years ago?

              5. With apologies to Gilbert and Sullivan:

                DEMOCRATS: Our lordly style
                You shall not quench
                With base canaille!
                KIRKLAND: (How delightfully French.)
                DEMOCRATS: Distinction ebbs
                Before a herd
                Of vulgar plebs!
                KIRKLAND: (A Latin word.)
                DEMOCRATS: ‘Twould fill with joy,
                And madness stark
                The hoi polloi!
                KIRKLAND: (A Greek remark.)

              6. So where does Sen. Josh Hawley fall in this continuum of yours?

                He’s Cambridge- and Yale-educated and yet apple-polishes and aw-shucks around as one of the little people, spouts the whole “America was founded as a Christian nation” crap, and wants to trust-bust Big Tech.

                Is Josh Hawley like your so-called “liberal-libertarian” alliance and the “clinger-goober” hootennanny getting together and making a baby?

              7. Half a century ago, the average Democrat was a bigot. [FIFY]

                Some things never change.

          2. In his case, I think “Rev” is short for “Revolting.” This would be his compliance with truth-in-advertising laws.

        2. That is one of the best burns you’ve ever written.

      2. “Whining, defeated, disaffected, below-average”

        Rev, that is a perfect description of the jerkoffs burning down their own neighborhoods expecting, “Change”. Can I use that too?

      3. *yawn*……..

        That all you got bitch?

    2. Ken, aren’t you the one always talking about how nice your house is and then telling other people if they were smarter, prettier, and more hard working— just like you Ken!— they’d have a nice house too.

      Don’t get me wrong, I live in a nice house too in an upper-middle class neighborhood filled with doctors and lawyers, but I don’t go around rubbing The Poors’ faces in it like you. I’m not an elitist fuckhead.

      I’d be interested in your definition of elitist. It probably goes something like a person working in a non- profit in a loft apartment in a city. They have less square footage then you Ken and, fuck, probably fucking rent, but they’re the ones really running the show. Not you, Ken. As an upper class White guy who lives in an ex-burb you’re decidedly passé. Sorry.

      1. “Elitist” vs “average American”

        I voted for the most average American on the ballot. Do you remember her name?

        For months you shilled for the most elite president in history. Born into privilege, a draft dodger, golden bathrooms, private jets, yacht, trophy wives, more scams than I can list, hotels we afford to stay in, golf resorts we could not nearly afford, a scammy business we cannot invest in, crappy overpriced products and idiot reality show. This is where you sold your soul. To represent “ordinary Americans”.

        Well live with that choice. I chose the nice ordinary American professor lady who has fought for libertarian values for years. She had nothing to gain except a stand on principle. A small voice in the storm.

        1. A reply to Ken

          1. Except the guy that lived in the golden skyscraper with his name on it, gave a shit about the plebs and actually eliminated a lot of the regulations that were negatively affecting them, and ended up being the most libertarian president in almost 100 years.

            Meanwhile your “nice American professor lady” with the big “L” in front of her name, peddled critical race theory and other anti-human bullshit.

            And here’s the thing, neither you or that lying weasel White Knight bothered voting for your “nice lady” anyway, because you’re both obvious DNC mouthpieces, and aren’t fooling anyone.

            1. And isn’t the real question about whether the plebs wanted him?

              Ignoring the fact that Trump’s policies often represented what average Americans wanted seems rather elitist. Does he know what the populists think better than they do?

              People who think they know what Trump supporters wanted better than Trump supporters are being fairly elitist, but if they’re suggesting that Trump’s populism wasn’t a reaction to elitism because he was wealthy, that’s just ignorance of populism.

              In all its forms, from left to right, populism is a reaction to elitism, and whether Trump was wealthy has nothing to do with whether he was a reaction to elitism or whether his supporters saw him as a reaction to elitism.

              “Populism refers to a range of political stances that emphasise the idea of “the people” and often juxtapose this group against “the elite” . . . . Populists typically present “the elite” as comprising the political, economic, cultural, and media establishment, depicted as a homogeneous entity and accused of placing their own interests, and often the interests of other groups—such as large corporations, foreign countries, or immigrants—above the interests of “the people”. Populist parties and social movements are often led by charismatic or dominant figures who present themselves as the “voice of the people”.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populism

              Because Marxist populists often define the elitists as being wealthy doesn’t mean that’s the only way or the only correct way to define elitism. Libertarian capitalists certainly don’t have any business defining elitists as the wealthy or railing against the upper classes for being wealthy. It’s just that some of these erstwhile libertarian capitalists are so stupid with TDS that they’re actually starting to adopt Marxist views. How embarrassing!

              Is there another, better explanation for why they would define elitism in terms of class struggle?

            2. “the guy that lived in the golden skyscraper with his name on it, gave a shit”

              No, he doesn’t. He’s been grifting them with fundraising drive after fundraising drive.

              It’s reported that privately he mocks their religious beliefs. His staunch ally, Matt Gaetz, campaigned on family values and his claiming to be a born-again Christian and then retreated to “hey, I haven’t done anything illegal with all my sexual activities outside marriage”. Worse yet with his ally, Falwell. And just embarrassing stuff caught on film with his ally, Giuliano.

              1. Giuliani. Thanks iPhone for “correcting” my spelling.

              2. “It’s reported that privately he mocks their religious beliefs. ”

                As opposed to openly, like you Dems . . ?

        2. Well said.

        3. “For months you shilled for the most elite president in history. Born into privilege, a draft dodger, golden bathrooms, private jets, yacht, trophy wives, more scams than I can list, hotels we afford to stay in,”

          Class envy and opposing elitism are not the same thing, and if you think libertarian capitalism is about promoting arguments about class struggle, then you’re horribly confused. You should be on a Marxist website instead.

          Individuals making choices for themselves in markets is the opposite of elitism, and elitism is the idea that academics, politicians, bureaucrats, and others should be making our choices on our behalf–because they can make better choices for us than we can make for ourselves.

          Elitism is fundamentally incompatible with libertarian capitalism, and if you still don’t understand that, you really should hang it up and become a Marxist.

          1. Envy? Try disgust, and a disgust based on seeing Trump as he is as an individual: amoral, moronic, sociopathic.

            1. Anyone who can plausibly run for president is an amoral sociopath.

          2. Trump has been know you be unworthy of libertarian support since his attempted victimization of Vera Coking, if not earlier.

        4. And yet he has a great sense of who the average American is, and what they want and he strives towards that.

          Elitism is about attitude, not how much money you have, or where it came from, its about thinking that because you have it, you know what is good for everyone else. Heck, its not even about money, you can have a Phd in some shit subject and think it entitles you to dictate to those around you what they should believe and how their money should be spent.

          1. Exactly.

            We all have a PhD in our own qualitative preferences, or, rather, there isn’t anything about having a PhD that makes one person’s qualitative preferences more authoritative than anyone else’s.

          2. He has as much understanding as the guy playing three card Monty on a cardboard box in Central Park.

            It takes a lot of skill to do that. An understanding of human nature. You want to play and drop another twenty even though you know it is a trick. You bring the mark in with your words and social skills. Then distraction when the cards are switched.

      2. “Ken, aren’t you the one always talking about how nice your house is and then telling other people if they were smarter, prettier, and more hard working— just like you Ken!— they’d have a nice house too.

        Don’t remember saying anything like that.

        Opposing elitism isn’t about class envy or opposing wealth. That’s just in your progressive/socialist mind.

        Opposing elitism is about opposing the stupidity of people who imagine that they’re somehow entitled to make choices for other, average people rather than average people being free to make choices for themselves (in markets, etc.). Elitism is also about using the coercive power of government to force their preferences on other or average people who do not share them.

        Progressives who imagine their qualitative preferences are somehow superior to those of other people are necessarily wrong, per the appeal to authority fallacy, and there aren’t really any choices without qualitative components.

        Scientists who care more about polar bears than coal miners or academics who care more about the environment than our standard of living have no authoritative basis to do so. Their qualitative preference for the taste of strawberry rather than chocolate chip ice cream has no authoritative basis either.

        Criticism of the wealthy and class envy has nothing to do with opposing elitism–unless you’re a stupid socialist. And I am neither stupid nor a socialist. Free market capitalism, on the other hand, is all about average Americans being free to represent their own unique blend of qualitative choices for themselves by participating in markets and making choices for themselves–whether elitist progressives share their qualitative preferences or not.

        Hope this is helpful.

      3. Greetings, American Socia1ist. First of all, why the ‘1’ in your name? Pincochet doesn’t own this Comment section or Reason Magazine. No need to skirt the monitors with weird spellings.

        You wrote: Don’t get me wrong, I live in a nice house too in an upper-middle class neighborhood filled with doctors and lawyers, but I don’t go around rubbing The Poors’ faces in it like you. I’m not an elitist fuckhead.

        If that is how you live and if you are an actual Socialist who loves “The Poors,” then why not open up your nice upper-middle-class home and let sundry and various and unlimited numbers of “The Poors” live with you, in the same style as the Communists forced on the main character of Doctor Zhivago?

    3. They were given this opportunity because of the lockdowns and the pandemic–not because average Americans share Biden and Pelosi’s vision for America. What caused the lock downs? Who had the opportunity to fix the pandemic? Why didn’t he convinced the so called average American it was in their best interest to give him four more years? Who is the Average American you are referring too? And why is it that the “Average Americans”(regardless of their political stripe)didn’t return not one single red cent from the stimulus checks they received? Please use some form-hybrid of deductive and inductive reasoning it will increase your standing in a deficit laden substantive discussion on the body politics!

  6. The Republicans are the enemy of average Americans too. The average union American. The unions are the power behind every blue city politician. While the average American doesn’t care about politics, the union people do. They listen to their union reps and only to their union reps. It is like a cult. Talk to a few, it will become very clear that they parrot the words of Maddow and Lemon and they don’t even know it. The union worker is told repeatedly that the Republicans are “destroying” their unions and making it impossible for Americans to make “a living wage”. They believe that, and they won’t even do research to see if it is true. “I was told that Trump did something bad to our union and that is why I hate him, his kids, and his entire party”. If you ask for any specifics, you will get, “I don’t know exactly, but it was bad”.
    To union Democrats, Republicans are worse than Nazis and Islamic Terrorists. Most union people don’t like what is happening, they hate the race baiting, riots and the coddling of criminals, but they believe that the unions are their only protection against losing their “living wage”. I don’t have the answer to this, I’m no expert in unions or labor, but this problem needs to be addressed. The Republicans need to figure out how to sway at least some union votes and union backing their way.

    1. We shouldn’t confuse average Americans with the average American, but the average American isn’t in a union.

      “Overall union density now stands at 10.3%, private sector density at 6.2%, and public sector density at 33.6%. Another year, another round of media reports on how union membership has fallen to all-time lows.”

      —-Jacobin, January 2020

      The biggest victims of those private sector unions are American consumers, and the biggest victims of public sector unions are probably the taxpayers.

      The reason the leadership in both the private sector unions and public sector unions back the progressives is because like the progressives, those unions are also the enemy of average Americans.

      We shouldn’t conflate blue collar workers in the Midwest with government bureaucrats in New York City. One of them is representative of average Americans. The other is not.

      1. You may be right. They may not have overwhelming numbers. But the unions sure can get them out to the polls. They are a voting bloc to be reckoned with. What about the gov unions? AFGE? They are behind the debacle at the VA. Bernie, while Chairman of the VA committee, protected them from any discipline during the wait-list scandals. Bernie fought for their jobs while ignoring the high death count of veterans. They may have only 700,000 members, but every last one of those bastards, and probably most of their families, votes for Democrats.

        1. Don’t believe them when they masquerade as average Americans.

          “A common complaint is that GM has the money to give its employees more considering Barra’s total compensation package in 2018: $21.87 million — roughly 240 times the $90,000 average pay of hourly employees. That includes wages, bonuses and profit sharing but not benefits, according to the company. Skilled trades employees are paid an average of $122,000 a year.”

          —-Detroit News

          https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/general-motors/2019/09/25/general-motors-united-auto-workers-wages-temporary-employees-ceo-mary-barra/2384614001/

          The UAW is elitist, exclusive, and progressive–and they’re by no means unusual with the labor movement.

          Some 650 bus drivers make more than $100,000 a year working for the Los Angeles Metropolitan Transit Authority . . . um . . . driving buses. (Link below)

          The unions masquerade as average Americans, but we should not believe them. They actually feed off of average American consumers and taxpayers. The rent average Americans pay to their landlord goes to pay for property taxes that fund a bus driver that makes $174,000 a year (linked below).

          The unions are parasites, and they’re the heart and soul of the Democratic party.

          1. https://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/search/?a=los-angeles-county-metropolitan-transportation-authority&q=Bus+Operator+%28F%2FT%29&y=2017

            It’s probably easier to get into an elite engineering school to make that kind of salary than it is to get a job as a full time bus driver for the Los Angeles MTA.

          2. The entire democrat party is based on parasitical principles. It always has been. Going back to their pro slavery origins.

      2. “We shouldn’t confuse average Americans with the average American, but the average American isn’t in a union.”

        Funniest thing on this thread. X = average American. X does dot equal X. We should not confuse the two.

        Average American. Average is not what you think it means. Take a sample of Americans some percent will belong to a union (i have never and am no fan). Others do not. It does not make them more or less American.

        1. If you can’t tell the difference between Americans who are not elitists and the statistical average, you probably shouldn’t brag about that. Being obtuse should be embarrassing.

          1. You define elitist as whatever opposes you and your political views. Then tell me that average American is something else. Not to be counted.

            1. Actually, I defined the elitism I was talking about elsewhere in this very thread.

              “People who imagine that they’re somehow entitled to make choices for other, average people rather than average people being free to make choices for themselves (in markets, etc.). Elitism is also about using the coercive power of government to force their preferences on other or average people who do not share them.”

              . . . . Free market capitalism, on the other hand, is all about average Americans being free to represent their own unique blend of qualitative choices for themselves by participating in markets and making choices for themselves

              —-Ken Shultz

              If you support elitist politicians, academics, and bureaucrats inflicting their qualitative preferences on average Americans using the coercive power of government, then you have no business calling yourself a libertarian capitalist. Those two things are fundamentally incompatible.

    2. Unionization has been on the decline since 1970, and still is. Not only that, but today, you workers themselves resist unionization and support right-to-work laws.

      I agree about the corrupt relationship between the union machines and Democratic politicians in large blue cities.

    3. Gee, this sounds a lot like “I’m not voting for Biden, he’s a Communist!”

  7. Thread

    https://twitter.com/KBoomhauer/status/1382468834888540164?s=19

    Witness says there was an altercation that led up to the incident in the now viral video where the accused man had ‘tugged’ on a female in the neighborhood’s shirt before Jonathan Pentland came out to help:

    1. There are dozens of videos on Youtube of that. Only one shows the entire incident. Officer Tatum.
      Of all the people beaten, robbed, raped, and carjacked across the nation, a black man being shoved in protection of a neighbor is the absolute worst thing that they can come up with. CNN, MSN, and even Fox kept that lie going. The neighbor incident is never mentioned.

    2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36RkbP8iC34

      Officer Tatum covers this incident very well.

    3. I’ve pretty much disengaged from politics. I see things are still fucked up. Biden looks awesome.

      1. looks aint worth diddley

    4. Several of them. Including an incident where a guy tried to scoop up someone else’s kid and walk off with them. Unknown for certain if it’s the same guy, but likely.

      The alleged victim in this incident with the off-duty drill sergeant, has been placed on a temporary psychiatric hold. IOW, he’s a misbehaving pet that the cops haven’t seen fit to effectively deal with before now.

      The DS and his wife have, I hope, learned the stupidity of filming their attempts at self-help. You’d think the Arbery shooting would have been enough of a clue…

  8. https://twitter.com/SethDillon/status/1383448180520415236?s=19

    Nearly 70% of Dems think you have a near 50% chance of being hospitalized if you get COVID (it’s actually between 1% and 5%). They also think blacks are very likely to die during routine traffic stops. And last but not least, they think misinformation is a Republican problem.

    1. Hmm, could be true, but n.b. Seth Dillon gives no sources for the numbers he claims in his tweet.

      1. So? You make unsupported bullshit claims here just about every time you draw breath.

  9. Culture trumps politics every time. The assholes in government are elitist snobs by they eventually get replaced.

    If this says anything it’s that the 2022 election is going to go very badly for the dems. They know it hence the desperation to get everything they can in the next 21 months.

    1. The dems will loot as much as they can before they’re tossed out.

    2. I disagree, Republicans are leaving the party, businesses are cutting political contributions. People are happy with President Biden just because he is not Trump. I think the 2022 could be good year for Democrats.

      What going to be the Republican platform in 2022, bring back incompetent government?

      1. Nobody with an IQ above 50 is happy with Biden for any reason other than knowing that he will be leaving office in another two years, so that Harris can replace him.

  10. Let it go, let it go.
    Trump’s not President any more.
    Let it go, let it go.
    He’s gone and out the door.

    1. You are parodying a song from a movie that already has one sequel, and will probably have a third.

  11. Bleech. Horrible. Ken, am I an elitist for not liking rap music and, further, for ranking rap music dedicated to a wannabe dictator as the worst of the worst?

    1. You’re a fucking parasitic piece of lefty shit who should fuck off and die before an offspring get infected by your idiocy, asshole.

    2. Yes. And you’re an idiot to boot.

  12. Lol wtf.

    Listen, I’m a Republican, but this is just weird. But hey, we’ve always had those kinds of redneck partisans in our midst, from the Duck Dynasty and all the rest. And I guess my response to these ones will be the same as my reaction to the 2000s’ rednecks: “Whatever. So long as they don’t raise my taxes or drown us in regulations.” Knock yourselves out, “Patriots”!

    1. So you’re a WASP/Rockefeller Republican is what you’re saying? Tea at the club with Mittens and Muffy and then a round of tennis?

      Hate to break it to you, but your sort decamped for the Democrats 20 years ago. You’re guaranteed not to run into the working classes there.

      1. What kind of Republican are you, again?

        Oh, that’s right, you are Canadian. That makes you a Wannabe Republican.

      2. I’m just a guy who don’t want his taxes to increase.

        1. doesn’t* Damn it.

  13. Both factions of The Kleptocracy evidently draw their membership from between 0 and 80 on the intelligence quotient bell curve. America has made SOME progress since Mencken was a journalist, but that got no higher than 3.28% of the popular vote since the LP became, briefly, a means of steering the rotting hulk away from the initiation of force. Trumpistas seek like so many panu-cephalic rapists to coerce fertile women and are SURPRISED, baffled, shocked that their thugs were outvoted.

    1. How does that figure with Comstock and the Corn Laws?

  14. And now Biteme Biden is doing the SAME as Pres Trump…after all that hate and nay- saying.

    Its hard to argue with success-!

  15. Who?

  16. https://twitter.com/LeighStewy/status/1383591066373222401?s=19

    Canadians are currently at the US border, using lights as Morse code saying “SOS” with the flag turned upside down [video]

  17. https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1383635117147451417?s=19

    Maxine Waters is marching in Brooklyn Center tonight and told people to take to the streets if Chauvin is acquitted [video]

  18. I don’t know whether to cringe—as in cringe like oh my god libertarians are talking about rap… but by Nazis—or cringe, as in these headlines someday soon are going to look like whatever the opposite of prescient is.

    Donald Trump was worse than his worst critics feared he would be. Do you think President Hawley and Speaker Taylor-Greene are going to pleasantly surprise you with their competence and facility for harmony?

    We’re one election away from being Nazi America, and that’s just the way it is. Ten years ago that would have been considered an exaggeration (except by every perpetually hysterical Republican, libertarian, and conservative, but in their defense, most of them actually want the end of the world to happen in their lifetime).

    I listened to 30 years of quiet reflection by pundits and other “we’re smart because we’re in the middle” people. Mild fascination with the Republican party’s increasing reliance on big lies, racial scapegoating, religious pandering…. uh…. systematic arming of the militias… and all the fucking cheating and treason they did to steal the presidency and the judges who come with it, twice.

    They’re gonna get control of the United States armed forces again, even if they lose by 10 million votes, and the Trump babies are dumber than him, more emotional than him, and their every political leaning is to maximum extremeness.

    They tried to start a “Greek architecture only” caucus. How fucking fascist does something have to be?

    Kill baby Hitler. Kill him this time or be considered his ally by future humans, if any are left.

    1. Nazi = National Socialism = The Democratic Left.

    2. Republican party’s increasing reliance on big lies, racial scapegoating, religious pandering…. uh…. systematic arming of the militias

      What the fuck are you talking about?

  19. Donald Trump’s Presidency Is Over… but the woke idiots that write for un-Reason dot com can’t let it go, they keep posting stupid articles about Trump, while missing all the lies being exposed about Trump.
    NY Times retraction: Trump did not say “find the fraud”, but did say “look at the election to find the truth”. New York times retraction: capitol policeman was never hit in the head with a fire extinguisher.
    Daily Beast admitted: US soldier bounty was a hoax.
    Trump used the Presidency to get rich: investigation went no where, Trump lost wealth as president. Trump donated over $250,000 (his foreign profits to the US Treasury.)

    Reason, let your TDS go, and start reporting on the failures of the Biden administration, you know the guy that is President, at the moment.

  20. Donald Trump’s Presidency Is Over… but the woke idiots that write for un-Reason dot com can’t let it go, they keep posting stupid articles about Trump, while missing all the lies being exposed about Trump.
    NY Times retraction: Trump did not say “find the fraud”, but did say “look at the election to find the truth”. New York times retraction: capitol policeman was never hit in the head with a fire extinguisher.
    Daily Beast admitted: US soldier bounty was a hoax.
    Trump used the Presidency to get rich: investigation went no where, Trump lost wealth as president. Trump donated over $250,000 (his foreign profits (to the US Treasury.

    Reason, let your TDS go, and start reporting on the failures of the Biden administration, you know the guy that is President, at the moment.

  21. Two words distinguish this from pretty much every other rap video I’ve seen: trigger discipline. 6 guns held by 6-7 different individuals, no fingers on triggers, nobody gets swept with a muzzle… despite the ‘gun guitar’, they don’t even point the guns at the camera.

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