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Joy Reid Said Vaccinated People Who Refuse To Wear Masks Are 'Irrational.' Fauci Didn't Correct Her.

Who's being irrationally paranoid?

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On her show Friday night, MSNBC host Joy Reid interviewed Anthony Fauci, the White House's top COVID-19 adviser. Reid made the following comment.

"I am one of the fully vaccinated," she said. "I'm fully Fauci'd. The question I have is are we really going to get to the end of it? Because, Dr. Fauci, at this point it's political. There are people who are paranoid about you. They've decided they don't trust you, they think you're trying to have the government take over their lives or put nanobots in them and Bill Gates is going to physically control them if they get the vaccine. It isn't just hesitancy, it's paranoia. You have Tucker Carlson basically saying that you're not telling the truth, if you're vaccinated there's no reason to wear a mask anymore. You have people screaming at store clerks because they don't want to wear masks. This is not rational at this point, Dr. Fauci. So I wonder, what do we do about the irrational resistance to doing the basics, getting vaccinated and wearing masks."

Fauci responded by largely echoing her concerns. He eventually conceded that people who were vaccinated could have unmasked gatherings in their own homes under some limited conditions, but stressed continued mask wearing outside the home.

"I don't understand why that freaks people out," said Reid. "Get a cute mask and make it fashion. Just put a mask on."

She has it exactly backward: It is Reid and Fauci who are being irrationally paranoid, not the people they are criticizing.

The available evidence suggests that people who are fully vaccinated are essentially immune from suffering serious disease or death from COVID-19. They are also extremely unlikely to contract the virus at all, which means their odds of infecting someone else are very low. Mass vaccination is the ticket to ending the pandemic, and all advocacy efforts should be directed toward encouraging people to get vaccinated. Scaring the vaccinated back into a lockdown mindset is unnecessary and unscientific.

It's fine to say that people who are not vaccinated should continue to wear masks when occupying crowded indoor spaces with other unvaccinated folks. But outdoor post-vaccination masking is essentially a performative act. Those who no longer participate in this performance are opting out of irrational paranoia, not succumbing to it.

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  1. Joy Reid is the leader of a sex trafficking gang. That is how it’s done according to MSNBC.

    1. And if you wear a mask you’re a sick pedophile. That is CNN.

    2. (Vomits)

  2. Just so you know, neither herd immunity or a completely vaccinated public will stop the lockdowns or muzzle culture. Get used to the new normal.

    1. Emergency pandemic orders are now permanent in Michigan.
      So yeah.

      1. F Michigan voters – nation’s 2nd most ignorant. TY NY.

    2. A few million less democrats will fix the problem.

    3. I think it will. As I pointed out it is already happening in Israel and they are not done yet.

      Nobody gains anything from all of this. The government loses revenue too and the voters are antsy. Some people may continue to work from home. The delivery business will do well as people get used to the convenience.

      1. You’re confusing what’s good for government vs what’s good for those running the government. Revenue is the least of their worries and shall remain so as long as they are able to print as many zeros as they want.

        What makes you think that tyrants care what the voters think? First, all they need to do is hang onto 50%+1 and couldn’t care what the rest think. Cuomo sitting at 53% proves the point. They have enough sheep to keep them floating in lamb’s wool and that’s all that matters. If they should start to run low, another crisis will surface and of course people tend to fall back into line when faced with a crisis and behind the guy who says he will take care of them.

  3. Oh, and any support of people who refuse to wear masks is essentially supporting Trump.

  4. That’s… one reading of that transcript I suppose.

    Turning it into bullet points:

    1. They think you’re trying to have the government take over their lives or put nanobots in them and Bill Gates is going to physically control them if they get the vaccine. It isn’t just hesitancy, it’s paranoia.

    2. You have Tucker Carlson basically saying that you’re not telling the truth, if you’re vaccinated there’s no reason to wear a mask anymore. You have people screaming at store clerks because they don’t want to wear masks.

    This is not rational at this point.

    I think we’d agree that Bill Gates mind control microchips aren’t rational, so let’s go on. Is it rational to break down into full hysterics in a target because someone asked you to wear a mask in accordance with store policy? I’d argue no, that isn’t a rational response.

    I’m fully vaccinated. There are situations that still require me to wear a mask. What needs to be “corrected” there? Why would Fauci, who has come out explicitly saying you should still be wearing a mask in public even after vaccination (at least until we know with more certainty that vaccination prevents asymptomatic transmission as well as acute illness) be the one to “correct” what he agrees with?

    1. “Why would Fauci, who has come out explicitly saying you should still be wearing a mask in public even after vaccination (at least until we know with more certainty that vaccination prevents asymptomatic transmission as well as acute illness) be the one to “correct” what he agrees with?”

      Because the unscientific goof is WHY we have these asinine rules.

      Nobody has done more harm to vaccination than has Dr. Fauci. Doubling and tripling down on his idiocy is not supportable and I await a Republican President who will shit can him as their first act in office.

      1. 1. Masks are to prevent you from infecting other people
        2. Some vaccines keep you from getting sick but don’t fully prevent asymptomatic spread
        3. If COVID proves to be such a virus (early signs indicate it probably won’t be) then masks will be important even for vaccinated people.

        1. 1. Masks are to prevent you from infecting other people

          Which they’ve been completely ineffective at over the last year.

          2. Some vaccines keep you from getting sick but don’t fully prevent asymptomatic spread

          That’s not how a vaccine works. Of course, these things aren’t actually vaccines because they don’t provide sterilizing immunity, so there’s that.

          3. If COVID proves to be such a virus (early signs indicate it probably won’t be) then masks will be important even for vaccinated people.

          If you have to wear a mask after getting vaccinated, then the vaccine is worthless.

          1. All of this.

          2. +1000

          3. While most vaccines confer sterilizing immunity, not all do. Marek’s Disease in chickens, for example.

        2. “1. Masks are to prevent you from infecting other people.”

          If those ‘other people’ are frightened of getting infected, they should hide someplace.
          It is not *my* job to look after *your* health, lefty shit.

        3. “1. Masks are to prevent you from infecting other people”

          Which has proven to be terribly ineffective.

          “2. Some vaccines keep you from getting sick but don’t fully prevent asymptomatic spread”

          Ah, an anti-vaxxer. Got it. Important to never go back to normal.

          “3. If COVID proves to be such a virus (early signs indicate it probably won’t be) then masks will be important even for vaccinated people.”

          That is an assertion with literally no science behind it.

        4. There are many pathogens that have asymptomatic spread. We don’t require masks for those. Why is COVID different?

        5. According to the article the odds of spreading COVID after being vaccinated are minimal. Here’s one of the links to the CDC reference to the studies,

          https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/04/cdc-data-suggests-vaccinated-dont-carry-cant-spread-virus.html

          Are there studies which suggest the opposite (i.e. are there studies that show that the major vaccines don’t drastically reduce the chances of catching and spreading COVID)?

        6. First line of effort in the psyop campaign:

          Cite the “boogeyman” of asymptomatic transmission to scare people into believing they are unwitting disease vectors, despite the fact that the boogeyman of asymptomatic transmission has been pretty much debunked by the CDC themselves.

          But because you are a sick, predatory asshole, you will spread this bullshit in order to scare decent people into fearing that their breathing in public may be a superspreader event. Nobody wants to feel responsible for harming someone, whether they did it on purpose or not, so you prey on their desire to be good people.

          It’s a disgusting, predatory tactic, and you are a disgusting, predatory person for using it.

          1. Not long ago, Heather Heying dissected a study that (somehow) got cover promotion in JAMA (or was it New England?) suggesting asymptomatic spread might be common, and it was ascientific bullshit on a level even I could understand, Minimal cites, cited studies that did not support their thesis, and conclusions based on false or zero data.

            Predictably, this “study” was given prominent coverage in the MSM.

            Don’t have to be paranoid to see something going on there.

        7. What’s still missing is evidence that masks, used in the ways people actually use them in the real world, have any significant effect. If there was a significant effect, we would know about it by now. The pro-mask arguments also completely ignore the social, health and psychological harms of wearing masks a lot, of which there are many.

        8. Even Dr. Fraud I had said there is no asymptomatic spread of a respiratory virus.

    2. 1. Masks are irrational
      2. You’re a pussy

    3. That’s a lot of words to tell us how much you like the taste of leather, bootlicking slaver.

    4. I’m fully immunized the ol’ fashioned way, having the virus catch me after vaccinations began. I didn’t want to be among the last to die, not irrational in my case being fat, hypertensive and over 65, and was dismayed at the hijacking of the priority list by CRT fanatics.

      No, I didn’t need hospitalization but it was very unpleasant.

      F&@*! Masks.

    5. You miss the point.

      Either now or very soon, every at-risk person will have had the opportunity to be vaccinated. The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are incredibly effective and offer high personal protection.

      At that point, there is no longer any reason to wear masks both for those vaccinated and not vaccinate. Even if the virus is easily spread symptomatically by vaccinated people (unlikely), its risk to society at large is similar to the flu.

      Whether you are aware of it or not, you are making an argument for universal mask usage going forward as an effort to try and reduce the spread of the flu and other communicable diseases.

      1. BRAVO

        That is exactly the point. Very soon, by the end of May most likely, EVERY adult in the US will have had the opportunity to become vaccinated – except for a very small number of people with allergies to the vaccines. The only people dying from COVID will be the weirdo anti-vaccers. But that is their own fault.

        And yes, you are correct about the analogy to flu. If wearing masks should be required to help stop, say, 20,000 people / year in the US dying from COVID then it should be required to stop 20,000 people / yr (or so) dying from flu.

        I certainly don’t think it’s reasonable to require the masks at that point.

      2. Definitely a more thought out response than some I’ve been seeing here.

        I think you’re right regarding transitioning back to normal after everyone has had the opportunity to vaccinate. There are some unlikely edge case I could see an argument for ongoing restrictions, but even there I don’t think I’d support ongoing requirements.

        I do think we would benefit from certain changes being the new normal. I’d certainly like the perceived personal space bubble to remain at it’s COVID level. Likewise, I’m pro hand washing, and have no desire to go back to handshake greetings. Fist or elbow bumps going forward is A-OK with me.

    6. Get up off of your damn knees.

    7. You are analyzing the braindead spew emanating from Joy Reid as if it were a scientific paper.

      I stopped reading when I realized that.

  5. If you carved “rationality” on a round of .50 BMG and shot it with a Barrett M107 at Joy Reid’s forehead from six inches away, the only result would be a flat disk of metal falling to the floor.

    Go ahead, falsify my hypothesis.

    1. You have the true scientific spirit, sir!

      With the added bonus of good being done if your hypothesis is indeed proven wrong,

  6. Covid fear-mongers will look stupider and stupider to the general public every day. Restrictions on vaccinated people won’t sell. Obviously.

    1. It’s the best way to make people to not want to bother getting vaccinated.

  7. This is going to be the issue in 2022 — ending mask mandates. THey will use OSHA to make you wear them forever at work.

    1. And the irony there is that not much more than a year ago, businesses were being cited by OSHA for making employees wear masks without proper health assessments. Making people work in masks or respirators has serious potential health effects.

  8. “I am one of the fully vaccinated,” she said. “I’m fully Fauci’d.

    Disgusting tongue bathing of Dr. Fascist by Joy Reid.

    1. At first I thought the quote said “facialed.”

    2. What’s the point of being an “expert” if you’re not getting tongue bathed by the left?

  9. Either the vaccine works, or you still need a mask after you get it. These are mutually exclusive. Joy Reid is a moron, and I don’t know what the fuck Fauci is trying to pull here.

    -jcr

    1. No, some vaccines don’t prevent the asymptomatic spread of the virus. Early signs suggest COVID vaccines also prevent asymptomatic transmission, but I understand the caution.

      1. No, some vaccines don’t prevent the asymptomatic spread of the virus.

        That’s because they aren’t actually vaccines.

      2. Neither the Moderna nor Pfizer ‘vaccines’ were expected to stop you from getting reinfected. They are both nothing more than symptom suppressants.

        https://www.fda.gov/media/144434/download

        Control-F for the Primary Efficacy Endpoints for the studies conducted on the Pfizer and Moderna “vaccines.” The “vaccine” achieves its goal even if you catch the Commie Cough and test positive for it but just don’t show symptoms. No wonder the government wants ‘vaccinated’ people to behave as if they haven’t been vaccinated. It’s because they actually haven’t been vaccinated, they’ve just been given a shot that hopefully maybe suppresses symptoms.

      3. The Salk vaccine didn’t prevent transmission of poliovirus, it only prevented paralytic cases. But that’s because the Salk vaccine, unlike the Sabin vaccine, wasn’t meant to prevent establishment of the virus in the gut. The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines (or whatever you call them) act in the only place they could act as vaccines against Covid-19: the respiratory and GI tract. SARS-CoV2 don’t cause severe cases by infecting parts of the body remote from those areas; the remote cases are caused by the immune system’s reaction — same as the body aches in flu. So the Pfizer and Moderna RNA preparations, to the extent they prevent symptoms, would also have to prevent transmission.

        1. Pfizer has data from Israel that it is 94% effective in preventing asymptomatic Covid so it almost certainly prevents near all transmission. I don’t know if it has been published yet.

      4. Even the cdc has stopped saying their is asymptomatic spread…. granted they did so in footnotes of other reports.

      5. I see we have a new contestant for shrike’s “most retarded commenter” trophy.

        1. If only “tonyesque” were a real adjective…

          1. I majored in English, in college; on the weight of my BA, I’ll allow it.

    2. Fauci is enjoying his 15 minutes, now months of fame, and desperately wants to remain relevant. Narcissistic asshole.

      Oh, I forgot – lying, incompetent asshole.

  10. These clowns are trying to sell the idea that they can eliminate the SARS-CoV-2 virus from the face of the Earth on social engineering alone.

    1. Even if the could, at what price? They act as if there are no costs to prevention.

      1. It’s a lot easier for CNN to run charts of case count and death count than to run charts of jobs lost, teenagers struggling with social isolation, years of education lost, etc.

  11. A year ago I would have said the mask is slipping, but at this point it’s beyond obvious they just don’t care. There’s no illusion anymore. It doesn’t even count as deceit.

  12. Less than 25% of the US population is fully vaccinated at this time.

    Continuing to wear a mask when in public is being nice to those members of the 75% not fully vaccinated who are still being rationally paranoid – since they have no way to determine if the person who is not wearing a mask is in fact vaccinated or just an asshole.

    I am fully vaccinated, and have been for nearly a month now – I continue to wear a mask when out in public to help make those who are not vaccinated more comfortable.

    1. Stop kidding yourself. You are just being duped.

    2. I refuse to. If you’re so fucking scared, stay at fucking home.

      1. It’s not for you. It’s for everyone else. It’s like wiping down gym equipment.

        1. It’s not for you. It’s for everyone else. It’s like wiping down gym equipment.

          It’s performance theater.

        2. Then ignorant paranoid people need to change. Not everyone else.

          Quit coddling idiots.

        3. Fat assess going to the gym would be more beneficial to public health.

        4. “…It’s like wiping down gym equipment.”

          First:
          “The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Monday there is no significant risk of catching the coronavirus from a surface or object.”
          https://nypost.com/2021/04/05/low-risk-of-catching-covid-from-surfaces-new-cdc-guidelines/

          Next, you expect me to honor your paranoia, asshole? Fuck off.

        5. Again, feel free to stay in your house and hide under your bed in perpetuity. I am not playing along with your bullshit.

          In fact I’ll likely start coughing intentionally on people wearing masks.

        6. No, it’s like being forced to wipe down equipment in a gym you don’t belong to.

    3. No, you’re actively engaging in psychological warfare designed to crush the American people’s freedom.
      You’re the asshole.

    4. So can we lose the masks once everybody who wants a vaccine has gotten one? What goals to you suggest we meet before we can end the mask and social distancing nonsense? These are all rhetorical questions because we all know that you will move the goalposts once we get close to any established benchmarks, but I’m curious what you will suggest at this point in time.

    5. “…I continue to wear a mask when out in public to help make those who are not vaccinated more comfortable.”

      Goodie for you.
      Now fuck off.

    6. The only reason the people who are not vaccinated are uncomfortable is because some idiot is still making them wear masks.

    7. You miss the point.

      At risk people have had the opportunity to be vaccinated.

      Who are you going to harm? For those aged less than 60 with no co-morbidities, COVID-19 has a similar risk profile to the flu.

    8. Something like 142 million people are already immune to it by virtue of having already had the damn disease.

      But hey, if you wear it just to make others feel comfortable, that’s your choice.

      1. It’s seriously retarded that anyone who’s ever had symptomatic COVID would bother getting the vaccine. It would be like me getting a chicken pox shot.

    9. You’ll make a good slave once the legislation is passed.

    10. Any rational person in a high risk group in the US has already been vaccinated or will be by the end of May.

      I shouldn’t be required to give up my rights to protect idiots who refuse vaccination. End of May I see no good reason to wear a mask.

    11. This is the second line of effort in the psyop campaign: Appeal to patriotism/community/altruism to shame people into wearing masks. You tell them that it’s not for you, it’s for OTHER PEOPLE, to make them feel better or less scared. It preys on individuals’ desire to be a decent person, and do the right thing by other members of their community.

      “I wear a mask for OTHER PEOPLE, therefore I am good and virtuous. If you don’t wear a mask for other people’s sake, you are selfish and unkind. Why don’t you care about the people around you?”

      It’s disgusting and predatory, and you are a disgusting and predatory person employing this attack on others.

    12. I find a mask if effective against Karens, and therefore worthwhile, though I free up my nose coz I need oxygen to avoid brain damage.

      This need not be a concern for people whose highest aspiration is to be named “Most Obedient Citizen”.

      1. More words than necessary, just to say “sheep”.

    13. I’m not convinced you are doing people any favors by doing that. Masks likely do little but provide a false sense of security. Encouraging people to “feel safe” by doing pointless things isn’t helping those people, it is making them even more timid and paranoid.
      If you believe that masks totally work, then I’m sure you see it differently. But I see little reason to believe that masks have much of any effect on the progress of the virus.

  13. “ It’s fine to say that people who are not vaccinated should continue to wear masks when occupying crowded indoor spaces with other unvaccinated folks.”

    No, it’s not fine to say that either.

    1. It’s fine to say it if you’re limiting it to “should” and not “must”.

      1. Should usually turns into must in short time tho. Especially in California.

  14. It seems irrational, but the motivation is to blame the disease on Trump supporters (and libertarians): “We wore our masks. The people who refused are genocidal murderers.” They can then exploit the accusation for political advantage. And people go with it because they see more opportunities for profit and power in various socailist schemes (medicare for all, GND, gun control, UBI, pandemic restrictions, ‘woke’ re-education camps, etc) than in capitalism (cure cancer, invent new flavor of dog food). And they might be right.

    1. That accusation ignores the near 90% “compliance” rate.

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  16. A host on MSNBC is a dunce? I am shocked.

    1. Me too. Mostly that after proving her idiocy and mendacity, she hasn’t been hired away by CNN.

  17. “I don’t understand why that freaks people out,” said Reid. “Get a cute mask and make it fashion. Just put a mask on.”

    What a shock–one of the dumbest pundits on television parrots the same thing as the liberaltarian commenters here.

    1. A mask that says: Fuck Fauci!

  18. I wonder if the whole conversation changes in a few weeks when everyone has been offered the vaccine. Everyone else has implicitly chosen to get their immunity the old fashioned way. No reason to try to delay it. Particularly as hospitals tend to have more room during the summer.

  19. If vaccinated people must wear masks, then the vaccines are worthless. People did no have to wear masks after the polio vaccine. People did not have to wear masks after the TB vaccine. People did not have to wear masks after the small pox vaccines. People did not have to wear masks after the MMR vaccine. So why after the Covid vaccine? Government control?

    1. you can say that again

    2. Many of those people should be wearing gags not masks.

  20. If vaccinated people must wear masks, then the vaccines are worthless. People did not have to wear masks after the polio vaccine. People did not have to wear masks after the TB vaccine. People did not have to wear masks after the small pox vaccines. People did not have to wear masks after the MMR vaccine. So why after the Covid vaccine? Government control?

    1. or let the squirrels do it for you

      1. At least try to post a cognizant comment, that at the least makes a modicum of sense.

  21. Fauci is just a political weasel. He used to be a practicing physician who actually had something worthwhile to contribute.

    Today, Fauci is nothing more than an overpaid, ass-kissing bureaucrat.

    1. I don’t think he’s been a practicing physician since he completed his residency. He’s spent nearly his entire professional career working for the Feds.

      1. You don’t need to see patients to be a practicing physician. Where would we be without those who devote themselves to advancing the science. NIH and NIAD are top level world renowned institutes. It is not mere “working for the government”. His work in immunology and infectious disease including HIV, Swine flu, Ebola, and others is cited all around the world.

        As I said below he should have stayed there. Now he is some media celebrity and mired in the political swamp. Too bad.

    2. Medicine and politics don’t mix. Where I was we had a public health director who is a terrific doctor and had practiced as a pediatrician before going into public health. She was doing fine until this hit.

      I watched her conferences and it started to look like she hadn’t slept all night. Found out she hadn’t. She was getting up at 4am to review the data and prepare. She was getting threats and angry people and groups at her house.

      She resigned about 2 months in. Teaches at the university now.

      1. Amy Acton is a commie asshole who should never have had any power of any type.

        1. She was just in the wrong place. Same with Fauci. He is really very good in immunology and should have stayed there.

          In medicine politics do not matter. Politics is a very ugly business. Doctors should stay out of it. For a job like he has he should just stay in the background and write reports and meet with the politicians. A lot of docs have big egos as I am sure you have noticed. That is where Fauci is making a mistake. Scott Atlas same thing. He is very good in neuroradiology and MRI. He wrote the book on it. I was disappointed that he got tangled up in all of this.

  22. Meerkat, not necessarily weasel.

  23. What if you’re trying to avoid other respiratory diseases, like the flu, etc? Myself, I don’t care enough to wear mask, but I don’t think it’s “irrational”.

    1. Stay home. Don’t let the sickly destroy our way of life. Sorry being around people can kill you, but the truth is, that’s your problem, not ours. Anyone who would expect the world to change for them because they are too sickly to interact with other people is a real prick.

      1. See molly below. She can’t not be in other peoples lives. That idiot is a slaver 100%

      2. A co-worker told me everyone should get vaccinated because it’s their “responsibility” to protect others. Non-vaccinated people are very worrisome for him because of his heart problems… that were brought on by his personal choice to smoke cigarettes for decades. Now we must all inject ourselves with something to protect him.

      3. I, and many other oldies, have been loudly shouting “Go on about your business, don’t ruin the country on my account!” for over a year.
        Jebus, how fucked up must my age-cohort peers be if they’d impose lockdown and mask-wearing on the entire population so they can go to the store with 10% less worry??

        I don’t know many people that selfish and shallow, fortunately.

  24. There are many reasons for vaccinated people to keep waring masks.
    1. The science suggests but has not fully confirmed that vaccinated can not spread it.
    2. The covidiots will claim to be vaccinated in order to go maskless everywhere, so it is best to keep everyone masked.
    3. People, especially covidiots are dumb and if you allow maskless outside then they will get confused and go maskless inside. Simple rules are better.
    4. We don’t know how long the vaccine immunity lasts. We should keep using masks until we have that data.

    1. Jesus. You whole premise is retarded. People who you call covidiots (btw nice way to illegitimitze their views) have chosen not to vaccinate they told you they are ok taken their chances. You can’t seem to figure this out. I really doubt you have a phd. Your logic and reasoning is terrible

    2. “4. We don’t know how long the vaccine immunity lasts. We should keep using masks until we have that data.”

      Stuff your mask up your ass so your head has some company, lefty shit.

    3. 1. The science suggests but has not fully confirmed that vaccinated can not spread it.

      Then it’s not actually a vaccine.

      2. The covidiots will claim to be vaccinated in order to go maskless everywhere, so it is best to keep everyone masked.

      Except the masks don’t work. The largest single source of infection is from symptomatic persons in households. Only 7 in 1000 (0.07%)come from asymptomatic people in households. If the transmission rate from asymptomatic people in households is only 0.07%, and the largest infections sources are symptomatic people in households, why do you think incidental contact has a higher transmission rate?

      This is actually why Fauci in the early days of the pandemic said to not wear masks, and the NEJM put out in April that mask-wearing did not prevent community spread and that you couldn’t get infected from incidental contact, and then had to walk it back under pressure because the Branch Covidians had a bout of mass hysteria thanks to the Lying Ass Media.

      3. People, especially covidiots are dumb and if you allow maskless outside then they will get confused and go maskless inside. Simple rules are better.

      Since masks don’t work, this is irrelevant.

      4. We don’t know how long the vaccine immunity lasts. We should keep using masks until we have that data.

      Then it’s not a vaccine, and the masks don’t work.

      1. 7 in 1000 is 0.7%, not 0.07%.

        1. Yep, hit the 0 button one too many times. Still a low-ass incidence all the same.

          1. Out and extra zero to indicate the percentage, as, “00.7%”. Looks better and is (technically) not misleading.

    4. There are good reasons to set the speed limit at 30 mph too, but no one wants that.

      1. Fuck that. Ban automobiles altogether.

        1. Based on your profile, forcing you to walk everywhere would do you some good, fatty.

    5. “1. The science suggests but has not fully confirmed that vaccinated can not spread it.”

      Again, YOU are free to wear your chin diapers or hide under your bed. It is not MY job to protect you. I have no desire to do so.

      “2. The covidiots will claim to be vaccinated in order to go maskless everywhere, so it is best to keep everyone masked.”

      And?

      Sorry if freedom upsets you so, Adolf.

      “3. People, especially covidiots are dumb and if you allow maskless outside then they will get confused and go maskless inside. Simple rules are better.”

      You’re in a weak position to opine on other’s idiocy.

      I go maskless everywhere now. Period. I’m vaccinated and, therefore, I’m good. It’s, you know, how vaccines work. If I get sick, it will not be bad and, hey, I can live with a minor cough.

      Again, if you wish to kill off vaccines, insure that nothing improves if you take them. Nothing beats “Hey, you might get some side effects…but you’ll have no improvements in what you can or cannot do”

      “4. We don’t know how long the vaccine immunity lasts. We should keep using masks until we have that data”

      Feel free to. Some people thought taking cyanide dosed Flavor-Aid was a good idea, too.

    6. You’re a good little slave.

    7. Fuck off with this “allow” shit. As soon as it was a legal mandate, it became more important to resist tyranny than to avoid a very tiny chance of being infected by passing casual contact with someone in public.

    8. Germaphobes have no business directing the lives of RATIONAL individuals.

  25. Joy Reid: talking out of your ass can be news, too!

  26. “Who’s being irrationally paranoid?”

    JFree.

  27. Wearing a mask when you’re asymptomatic is irrational. The masks don’t work.

    Burn them all on July 4th.

    1. Fauci is an idiot and has lost all credibility. Reid is a clown. Who cares what they bleat.

    2. Actually that may happen by then anyway. A lot of people who have had the first dose will not get the full effect until a month or so after the second kicks in. By July we should see a big drop in cases hopefully.

      Look at the charts for UK.

  28. “It’s fine to say that people who are not vaccinated should continue to wear masks when occupying crowded indoor spaces with other unvaccinated folks.”

    Fuck you, Soave.

    Seriously, play this thought through. Okay, let’s say we require those who are not vaccinated to wear masks indoors with other unvaccinated folks. What if all folks in said crowded space are willing to assume the risk? Is that not their right?

    How do we implement your requirement? I suppose when you walk into your local grocery, there will be someone with some amount of power (and the most dangerous people are the ones with just a little bit of power) checking vaccine passports at the door? Maybe it will be like a night club. If you have a vaccine passport, you get a yellow wristband. No vaccine passport and you must mask up.

    What will we do about fake vaccine passports? There’s already a market – Ebay has been chasing down sellers offering these exact types of documents. You’ll need to show ID. Consider even just that – you have to show ID to shop for groceries but not to vote.

    Rattling off some half-baked statement about how it’s totally fine to require something without thinking about what requirements will mean is intellectually lazy in the extreme.

    So fuck you, Soave, and Sudermann, and all you other urban psuedo-libertarians who have taken over what was once a great publication.

  29. It really doesn’t matter what they say. Nobody is listening. For now stores are requiring them. Other than that people are doing what they want.

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  31. And of course these comments about the importance of wearing masks were made by two people visibly not wearing masks.

    And they wonder why people don’t trust them.

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  33. Israel has gone from average 8000 per day to 200 now. They have over 60% vaccinated. Proof that this stuff works. Starting tomorrow almost all restrictions will be lifted including outdoor masks. Schools fully open.

    We are getting there with over 40% now.

    The idiot governor of Michigan should be working at setting up clinics everywhere and getting the national guards and volunteers to put jabs in arms instead of the crap she is pulling off. There is plenty in the national stockpile.

    All you need is a couple of folding tables, someone to help with the paperwork, someone to inject and a chair. No appointment necessary.

    1. So you haven’t seen the arcane model of inefficiency that is a typical vaccine site?

      1. Myself and every adult in my family are vaccinated. Here we did it at the pharmacy.

        You don’t need mass vaccination sites. You could set up lots of small ones at pharmacies, grocery stores, clinics, churches. My son in law got one at his job which set one up for a day. The local school closed for a day to vaccinate all the teachers.

        If you go out to the communities you will have a successful program.

      2. I know I keep harping on Israel because I read up on it. One thing they did to get the younger people was set it up like a social thing with free pizza and beer.

  34. Let’s all agree never to speak of Joy Reid again. She’s a performance clown on a far left wing cable network. She’s homophobic, racist, sexist. She’s not an expert on anything. She’s there to do hatchet jobs on people the left doesn’t like. Her ratings are garbage even for that network.

  35. Fear, it’s all about fear. If you don’t fear, you must be irrational, i.e. crazy. Only the government can protect those fearful citizens with their wise mandates and dictates. Get on board now or suffer the consequences. Get your triple masks, get your jab, and get your internal passport that let’s you buy food and gas, or starve in your home. The choice is yours, the government said so!

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  37. “Scaring the vaccinated back into a lockdown mindset is unnecessary and unscientific.” Reason and all of the Trump-worshipping authoritarian-inclined brownshirts in these comment sections are unnecessary and unscientific.

    1. Scaring children and germaphobes is easy, isn’t it?

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