Coronavirus

The CDC Thinks 2-Year-Olds Should Wear Masks in Schools, Even If Everyone Else Is Vaccinated

The CDC's new guidance for child care facilities is practically begging to be ignored.

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The nation's top health officials think day care providers should continue requiring children as young as two years old to wear masks at all times—except while eating and napping—and that will remain the case even after all teachers and staff are vaccinated.

"Even after child care providers and staff are vaccinated, there will be a need to continue prevention measures for the foreseeable future including wearing masks, physical distancing, and other important prevention strategies outlined in this guidance document," noted the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in guidance that was updated on Friday.

The new recommendations emphasize that vaccination will offer important protection for child care workers. "I strongly encourage America's childcare workers to get vaccinated," said CDC Director Rochelle Walensky.

But the comprehensive protection offered by the vaccines—which are all nearly 100 percent effective at reducing severe disease and death—will not mean that daycare providers can ease up on other mitigation efforts, according to the CDC.

The new guidance makes plenty of benign recommendations. Both kids and their teachers should stay home if they feel sick, or if they have had very close contact with someone who tested positive for COVID-19. Children should be taught to cover their mouths and noses when they sneeze, and wash their hands frequently. These are all common sense procedures that would improve the health and safety of any classroom, even if the pandemic was not a factor at all.

But other recommendations are impractical for teachers to implement, taxing on the kids, and absurdly cautious given just how miraculously effective the vaccines are.

The guidance stresses that masks should be worn at virtually all times, even by very young kids, in addition to social distancing. It also emphasizes frequent cleaning of high-touch surfaces, even though surface-to-surface transmission is thought to be a relatively rare method of spreading COVID-19.

In fact, the CDC would prefer if kids simply didn't touch things at all—especially if they are difficult to clean. Day care providers are encouraged to keep each kid's toys separate; the fewer people touching each item, the better.

This even holds true for the outdoors, even though COVID-19 is thought to spread much less easily under such circumstances. (There has never been a confirmed outdoors-only superspreader event.) The CDC's guidance says that while jungle gyms, swingsets, and tricycles "are important for healthy child development," they nevertheless "pose a risk for spreading COVID-19." Health officials recommend getting rid of play spaces that allow kids to interact closely, and also separating the kids into smaller groups—with fences if necessary.

"Stagger your use of playgrounds and play spaces by reducing the group size in the play area at one time or remaining in cohorted groups while sanitizing shared objects and high touch surfaces between groups," says the CDC. "If multiple cohort groups need to be in your play area at the same time, consider using fencing or another barrier to designate separate areas for each cohort."

And in case it wasn't clear, those kids should be masked, even while outdoors.

This guidance is simply not grappling with the fact that the vaccines appear to reduce COVID-19 deaths to a number approaching zero. And while it's true that kids will not be vaccinated any time soon—the vaccines are not approved for the under-16 crowd—they are thankfully, overwhelmingly spared from negative health outcomes associated with the virus. In the U.S., fewer than 300 kids and teenagers have died of COVID-19. For this age group, the deadly disease really is no worse than the flu.

If all the adults in a given child care setting are vaccinated, the danger is eliminated almost entirely, and the argument for forcing kids to keep putting up with all of these frustrating restrictions is not compelling. The CDC is asserting that 2-year-olds should remain sad, lonely, and masked, for no good reason.

The proper response is to ignore the CDC en masse. People who are vaccinated should feel free to resume normal activities, particularly if these activities only involve other people who are also protected from the worst effects of COVID-19—either because they are vaccinated, or because they are young. We don't need to wait until the vaccine is available to kids—something that won't happen until much later this year, or early next—to start letting them enjoy normal childhoods again.

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  2. Once gained, the bureaucracy doesn’t cede control easily.

    1. Bureaucrats get their jollies by demonstrating their power. What better demonstration than making people do silly things that are bad for their children?

  3. Practically begging to be ignored might as well be the official motto.

    For this age group, the deadly disease really is no worse than the flu.

    Quite the understatement, Rico.

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    2. Flu kills a few thousand kids a year, Covid kills a few ones of kids a year.

      1. We don’t even know if it’s that high. The number of “covid with flu/pneumonia” deaths are indistinguishable from the number of “flu/pneumonia” deaths in prior years for the under 17 age group.

      2. Yours is, inadvertently, more of an argument that we should voluntarily repeat these prevention efforts every flu season than it is an argument to end them voluntary or mandated during this pandemic.

        “Flu Deaths Have Dropped Dramatically, Thanks to COVID-19 Prevention Efforts

        The flu has almost entirely disappeared this winter, with just over 1,500 cases reported in the U.S. since late September.

        Flu season, which runs from October through May, usually results in millions of infections and thousands of deaths.

        Doctors explain how COVID-19 prevention efforts have diminished flu-related deaths this year.”

        https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/flu-deaths-have-dropped-dramatically-thanks-to-covid-19-prevention-efforts/ar-BB1cm4tz

        1. Voluntarily?

          Yeah. Sure. Totally. No problem.

        2. Your link is but one theory that is frankly pretty weak. Dominant viruses have been summarily deposed by new strains many times in the past. This phenomena has been known since at least the 1930’s. There are at least two decent theories that try and explain this, none of which involves NPI’s.

    3. That’s a ton of baloney, Claptrap! Children have come down with Covid-19. A 12 year old kid on a ventilator even died from Covid-19.

      1. Learn how to read comparative statements.

  4. The proper response is to ignore the CDC en masse.

    I refer you all, yet again, to George Carlin’s First Rule:

    I have certain rules I live by. My first rule: I don’t believe anything the government tells me.

    1. Carlin was an unfunny Boomer and I’m glad he has dropped dead.

      1. It was funny to see him as Mr. Conductor.

      2. True; his comedy was best consumed by 13-year-old boys. But as unfunny Boomers go, he was more pro-individual and anti-state than most.

        1. >more pro-individual
          Doubtful. I’m sure if Carlin were alive today, he’d be claiming that all those people being cancelled for having heterodox beliefs deserved it for being “assholes”. Sure, he would use his vulgar “seven dirty words” but I doubt he would have the balls to challenge any part of the official Narrative.

          1. Lenny Bruce would have also cleaned up his act.

            1. Lenny would have been sentenced, tried and arrested by now. Try saying something like that in the feminist humour section.

      3. Carlin was born almost 10 years before the Boomers. I guess now a Boomer is anyone older than a Gen-Xer?

  5. What is also ignored is the huge benefit to our immune systems a by being exposed to pathogens early in life.

    1. Also ignoring the uselessness of cloth face coverings as protection against viruses.

      1. All my masks state “not effective for preventing spread of disease”

    2. Let’s have a measles party!!

    3. We learned nothing from the peanut allergy explosion.

      1. No we learned that faucci is to be the master of all health decisions for he is never wrong. He was right that aids was transmitted through water, don’t expose young kids with alergys to allergens, and covid is from a wet market and can be stopped with a cloth

        1. He made peanuts deadly, too???

          Wow, he is a walking disaster.

  6. I remember a specific child that teachers couldn’t keep pants on. Good luck with keeping a mask on them. I’m waiting for the CDC guidance that says you have to mask your cat.

    1. I’m waiting for the CDC guidance that says you have to mask your cat.

      Use impermeable masks, just to be on the safe side.

      1. You’re NOT masking your cat?!

        What kind of monster are you??

        1. On the internet, mad.casual is a dog.

    2. I seriously doubt anyone at the CDC has ever actually met a two year old. Not that they care, their job is to issue guidance about how best to prevent the spread of diseases; whether or not those goals are realistic is someone else’s problem.

      1. These people honestly act like insectoid creatures wearing human skin who have no knowledge of any normal human activities and didn’t bother to read any of the hive briefings before arriving on this planet.

        1. Lol. Maybe they only identify as insectoid people?

        2. The alien invasion already happened and we were too busy genital gazing to notice.

      2. That clump of cells is, like, literally making noise and touching stuff. ewwww

        1. “Slightly larger” clump of cells.

      3. Nah….they meet ’em every day at recess. But as 5 yr. olds the CDC feels remarkably superior!

    3. Will there be another stimulus check to buy the cat and associated equipment and vet services?

  7. Was this guidance put out by the front-line workers at the CDC who are actually scientists or by the CDC brass, who are all about the politics? It’s the same shit with any agency – the top people are the ones who are best at the office politics and their focus is getting as much funding and as much power and as much influence for their agency and for themselves as possible, and for that they haven’t got time to keep up with the actual work of their agency. It’s all political bullshit they’re all spewing, whether it’s the Pentagon or the DoT or the CDC. The top brass are useless for understanding what’s really going on.

    1. “… by the front-line workers at the CDC who are actually scientists or by the CDC brass, who are all about the politics?”

      This strikes me as more than a touch of a fallacy. ‘Front line workers’ in any bureaucratic organization becoming quite adept at delivering exactly whatever it is they think the higher ups want to hear or see.

      FBI, Houston PD, CDC, they really are all the same. Those ‘front liners’ and the brass, with the rare brave exception, being mostly indistinguishable.

      Oh, and still nothing on HR1. Apparently the brave thought leaders here at Reason are not willing to put anything into text without guidance from their masters.

      1. Yeah. Top brass is corrupt though, given what came out. Indict them for child abuse and torture. I was depressed and suicidal as a child long before all this crap.

    2. This was put out by the left-wing head of the CDC in support of the left-wing tyrants who are pushing the mask nonsense on their subjects. The CDC is ignoring more than 100 years of studies and evidence (including one of its own studies from 2018) that show masks do not stop the transmission of viruses. Unfortunately, not only the schools but corporate America are still taking whatever the CDC says as gospel. Target is still requiring masks in its stores, even in states that lifted (or never had) a mask mandate.

      1. Too bad, Paul 3. Masks have to be worn in public, while visiting families, and the six-feet distance is still a rule to be followed. The state governors who’ve lifted their mask mandates are beyond stupid and vicious, and, like a lot of their followers, don’t care a- bout other people.

  8. One of the best ways to teach kids and condition people to be more risk-tolerant is to force them to be pointlessly risk averse. Whether that leads to better education and health outcomes is yet to be seen. It’s a little astounding from a public health-industrial complex that, for years, has issued proclamations like “Don’t get too many cancer screenings because you will find lumps and undergo risky surgeries you don’t need.”

  9. The CDC’s new guidance for child care facilities is practically begging to be ignored.

    This afternoon, Lenore will publish an article covering the uptick in police tazings of 2-year olds.

  10. “If all the adults in a given child care setting are vaccinated, the danger is eliminated almost entirely …”

    Almost.

    1. COVID can spread from kid to kid, but very few of them will show serious symptoms. I doubt that masks will do much to slow the spread; they are only slightly effective for adults, but small children _touch_ everything, including each other. I can only think of three ways to keep 2 year olds from spreading diseases: keep them home, keep them in separate rooms without shared hallways, bathrooms, or playgrounds, or tie them to their chairs and keep 6 feet between chairs. (Any adult who takes that last suggestion seriously should be locked up.)

  11. And the CDC’s recommendations are nonsensical. I think at the end of all this, you’re going to end up with a bunch of maladjusted, neurotic kids, with weaker immune systems due to lack of exposure.

    And the people who wrote those recommendations have obviously never been around 2-year olds.

    1. “A bunch of maladjusted, neurotic kids, with weaker immune systems …”

      In other words, a perfect class of obedient voters.

      1. Yeah, I think this may be the goal. Certainly public health has nothing to do with the CDC’s edicts.

      2. And future federal workers.

    2. But they will vote for democrats, so – – – – – –

    3. Since when has anyone in government cared whether a law or rule can actually be enforced?

      1. Change “enforced” to “obeyed” and you are paraphrasing one of Ayn Rand’s most insightful quotes.

    4. They don’t care. They’re just bureaucrats making up rules to give the impression they are doing something useful.

  12. It’s important to start the indoctrination early and instill children with a fundamental sense of fear.

  13. There is an old saying that an expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less, until he knows everything about nothing.

    That is what we are seeing again and again. The fact that you are an expert in infectious diseases or epidemeology does not give you the knowledge to make decisions for the country or even any particular issue. Children’s educational and psychological needs, and the ability of parents and teachers to enforce rules all play into it.

    The notion that 2 year olds should be required to wear masks shows just how clueless these experts are.

    1. Right now the CDC only cares about reducing COVID deaths. Nothing else matters. Deaths from other causes don’t matter. Illness, injury and delayed growth don’t matter. Just COVID deaths.

      The Cult of Science forgets that science can’t tell you what to value. It can only help achieve the things you value.

      1. Yes, but it’s less the Cult of Science than the Cult of Sciency-Sounding Things We Like to Hear.

      2. In their defense, things like COVID are the only types of things they are supposed to be concerned about, not injury, delayed growth, social issues, addiction, etc. We appear to be well trained to accept their mission creep.

    2. “The notion that 2 year-olds should be required to wear masks shows just how clueless these experts are.”

      Fortunately, by these two year-olds are sixteen, they will have amassed a sufficient measure of authority to lecture the world on a boundless variety of issues. The next Greta Thunberg will never have tasted unfiltered air. Her bluish skin and thinning hair will spark a truly remarkable trend in expressive fashion for decades to come.

    3. We must destroy the many to protect the few. Deny evolution heathen.

  14. This is all so stupid. Kids that young are effectively immune to the virus as is. If the staff is vaccinated then who are these measures supposed to protect. Oh yeah, some bureaucrat or politician, that’s who.

    “If it makes me feel like it might save even one life, I’m willing to spend any amount of your money and put you at any level of inconvenience.” – Cuomo and Co.

    1. It’s just fucking bizarre and perverse at this point that people are still looking at this as something we have to stop spreading. That ship sailed like a year ago. But that still seems to be what is driving all of this. Must stop as many potential transmissions as possible.
      Maybe time to admit that that didn’t work at all.

  15. What is this CDC I keep reading about?

    1. It stands for Cult of Doctrinaire Commandments. It’s an agency of the federal government.

      1. Oh, I see.
        Another way for fascists to give their buddies jobs and lots of grant money.

  16. I know this is cynical, but I sometimes wonder if impossible rules like this one are designed as pre-prepared excuses for why the government has to keep us locked down. “Well, we almost had the virus beat, but you people didn’t mask your two year-olds.”

    1. I’ve been reliably informed by the reactions from progressives I know that criticism of Fauci will get you labeled a Bad Person in polite society.

      1. I’m a bad person. Labeled by people I don’t give a crap about.

      2. Fauci admits openly he is a liar. Nothing he says can be relied upon.

        I now welcome the various designations from the left (racist, sexist, bigot, insurrectionist, etc) as an indication I am still an individual and have not been assimilated by the collective.
        So I also accept “bad person” with pride.

        1. It’s time to go on the offensive against Fauci. Fauci is personally responsible for the death of anyone who was eligible to receive a vaccine but could not get one because it was wasted on someone with a prior COVID infection.

          1. Or for that matter, all the vaccines wasted on people who had already received an effective vaccine. That means all of the second doses…

    2. This 100%. During Biden’s speech the other night he vaguely hinted that if we don’t all do what we are told like good little boy and girls, which is continue obeying the restrictions to our personal freedoms, he may have to institute more restrictions on our personal freedoms to beat the virus. Meanwhile the CDC has long since admitted that COVID cannot be eradicated. But the good news is, if we do all obey, Biden might allow us to have a BBQ in our backyard for the 4th of July with a small group of masked and vaccinated friends and family. These people are going to milk this pandemic for all it’s worth, for as long as possible. It’s almost like they are disappointed that the vaccines are available so quickly and now need to change the narrative to “even with the vaccine” you still need to behave as if you weren’t vaccinated.

      1. The beatings will continue until morale improves.

        1. The beatings will continue until the revolution.

          1. Who stopped watering this tree?

          2. A revolution requires an unhappy majority. The majority is unhappy, but only because the current regime isn’t authoritarian enough. Biden is too moderate. When the revolution comes it won’t be the radicals against the wall, it will be the kulaks. It’s always the kulaks followed by the jews.

            1. Blow it out your ass, n00bdragon!

  17. send your child to the conformity factory for conformed child.

  18. Fauci is the biggest liar I’ve ever seen in our government. Bigger ever than louts like Nixon and Susan Rice. This guy deserves to get the living shit kicked out of him.

  19. And we thought the EPA was a PITA…

    1. Oh I am sure they are busy drawing an important correlation between Covid and climate change.

  20. More kids will be killed in traffic accidents while riding to day care than this mask policy will ever save.

    1. FACT.

  21. Put the folks who forced lock downs – proven to be a net harm while not reducing C19 mortality – on the populace in jail. Then deal with the citizens that supported the lock downs by putting them in a set of stocks for about an hour.

    1. Sounds about right.

  22. There is a new ‘dismal science’. It is not Economics. It is the BS put out by unelected government agencies with WAY too much power. That power can be nullified by our 2 year olds who perhaps have more sense than small people in big jobs. C’mon people!!

  23. When Fauci proposed wearing a nylon, over the mask he had prescribed, I knew what was next.

    He wanted me to go into a bank, and hand a teller a note.

    1. “Just wear the whole box.”

  24. My spouse’s primary care physician has been vaccinated. He still is avoiding restaurants, having groceries delivered to his home, and masking up if he has to be in any room/building with other people. (He obviously is masked up when he’s working.) I tagged along with my wife on her last appointment to see this doctor – and that’s how I learned about his decision to remain very careful about the virus. I kept my mouth shut – I think he’s being too paranoid. It seems that while the vaccine he got is supposedly 94-95% effective, he is concerned about being one of the unlucky 5%. My state (Florida) just opened up vaccine distribution to residents age 60 and up, so I can now try to get vaccinated. I’ll probably try to get the J & J one shot vaccine. No matter which one I get, I will be happy to get back a bit closer to “normal” activities.

    1. Physicians and epidemiologists and other professionals have acted without a modicum of common sense or decency throughout this hysteria. Some, not all, but a good chunk it would appear have lost their minds. I know of a doctor who just simply lost all sense.

      It’s a stupid virus with a high survival rate. I have not worn a mask, goggle, saran wrap, or social distanced or anything. I just live.

      Yeh and fuck off with that asymptomatic spread bull shit. We’re now entering a very scary portion of this panic. In Europe, they’re starting this very bad rhetoric of blaming non-vaccinated people for future waves.

      Know who else scapegoated people and who those people were?

      1. In Europe, they’re starting this very bad rhetoric of blaming non-vaccinated people for future waves.

        Shit, they’ve been doing that here in the states for months.

        Their quasi-religious belief in masks and gathering restrictions to stop a virus in its tracks, despite those very measures FAILING in two pandemics in 100 years, is probably the only thing keeping them from sticking a gun in their mouth and pulling the trigger.

      2. Yeh, well, if people do refuse to get vaccinated who are able to do so, they are fools! It’s the height of stupidity not to get vaccinated, and not to wear a mask out in public. Lots of people die from Covid-19. We’ve lost over a half a million Americans to Covid-19. The idea that Covid-19 is a stupid virus with a high survival rate is pure malarkey.

  25. Our schools teach White students that they are immoral and contemptible if they don’t support the White Genocide that’s being carried out by massive third-world immigration and FORCED assimilation i.e diversity in EVERY White country and ONLY White countries.
    Their teachers never tell them, “White self-hatred is SICK!!!“
    Those teachers claim to be anti-racist. What they are is anti-White.
    Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White.

    1. it was Mrs. White in the country with the forced assimilator.

  26. I believe the CDC has also recommended that all sexually-active women of child bearing age refrain from drinking alcohol on the off chance they become unexpectedly pregnant.

  27. Dictators dictate out of fear, fear of losing their power. They even fear innocent and powerless two year olds, lest they grow up someday not blind sheep. And don’t think all dictators are national leaders, there are dictators in state governments, dictators at work, dictators at schools, dictators in families, and even dictators at the CDC. It is not your health that motivates their dictates at the CDC, but lust for their power.

  28. If you can’t feed’em, don’t breed’em.

    Schools can do a baby of two no possible good, and are simply welfare childcare for deadbeat parents. The very irresponsible abdication of their parental duties of these deadbeat parents gives the damned government the excuses both for the welfare childcare and the regulation of it. Such parents license government armed robbers to help them steal from all the rest of us. Their theft exceeds simple taxation to pay for their welfare to competition for and increased costs for everything from a parking space in town to a big house on a big lot in the burbs and everything in between. Deadbeats. Thieves.

    Few, if any, acts are as statist as breeding kids for which you can not fully and independently care.

    1. Encourage people to have children, then funnel them into the public school system, designed not to educate but to beat a child into some semblance of adulthood before they reach the magical age of 18 and gain their freedom, whereby they too are encouraged to make bad decisions like have children before having a career, because they didn’t learn a damn thing about living in their formative years, they only learned how to spell and write in a straight line and do some rudimentary math. But what to do with a spare buck or how to conduct oneself? Good luck kid.

    2. Only socialist scum like you are thieves, who pretend moral virtue by dressing their theft as positive “rights”. Crawl back to your shadows, commie.

  29. Perhaps Reason should have a special CDC issue once in a while titled Lack of Reason? I am hoping that the state of public health and epidemiological science isn’t accurately reflected in the “science” coming from a majority of our public health officials.

  30. “Even after child care providers and staff are vaccinated, there will be a need to continue prevention measures for the foreseeable future including wearing masks, physical distancing, and other important prevention strategies outlined in this guidance document,” noted the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in guidance that was updated on Friday.”

    Ok, fine, CDC.

    Please tell us what will happen if all your prevention strategies are ignored. Please be precise. Use charts, graphs, and equations where appropriate.

    In other words, that word “need” is doing an awful lot of work in that sentence. Justify it.

  31. In the U.S., fewer than 300 kids and teenagers have died of COVID-19. For this age group, the deadly disease really is no worse than the flu.
    Lying by omission? The virus is mostly harmless to the under-30 demo:
    https://www.heritage.org/data-visualizations/public-health/covid-19-deaths-by-age/
    This has always been a boomer concern, and never forget it was the boomers that took 2020 away from everyone else. It didn’t have to be that way.

    1. This has always been a boomer concern, and never forget it was the boomers that took 2020 away from everyone else.

      It’s more of a fat boomer concern, considering how many deaths are co-aligned with being obese, but it’s really more the battered-spouse Gen-Xers and Millennials, the latter in particular, who have been at the forefront of the mask-scold stasi.

  32. You can ignore that overly politicized bunch of jerks. Especially when it’s run by leftists.

  33. The CDC is another in a long line of failed government agencys.
    They should have had the mast thing nailed down and updated starting decades ago. They shroud have had contingency plans in place and updated regularly for just this kind of event decades ago.
    They are now discredited and should be ignored.
    Just one more example of with government you do NOT get what you have paid for.

  34. Seriously makes me want to puke when I see kids in masks. Absolutely disgusting.

    1. Sick to my stomach. Wanna punch every coward in the face and stomach for doing this.

  35. “Is it safe yet?”
    And the dentist’s drill bores into our jaws, screaming its relentless pain!

    Yet, oddly, today….the roles are somehow perversely reversed.

    We are Dustin Hoffman’s ‘Tom Levy’, strapped to the chair, being tortured by Laurence Olivier’s ‘Dr. Szell / Mengele’, yes, that is still true. But we are also the ones crying out, “Is it safe yet?!!”

    And Szell / Fauci, calmly white-coated and always quite certain, leans in, the drill whines, we feel the piercing bite….we scream again. He pauses and say, “No, Tom, it’s not safe yet. It will never be safe.” He drills some more and hands us some sanitizer.

    Long past time we understood: we will be locked-down to this state-mandated chair, within this closed room, by ourselves, in this bubble, smelling of alcohol rubs, breathing our own recycled air FOREVER. Because Safe. Because Never.

    Is it safe?
    Of course it’s not safe.
    Life is not safe.
    Living carries with it, the certainty of death. Life is risk. And there’s always something more the State can do … will do… must do.

    Stop asking if it’s safe.

  36. Psychological abuse and terrorism on children.

    What we keep doing to kids is appalling.

    I’ve no more words.

  37. Almost forgot. Masks have not and never worked and or will ever work.

    I’m up to a few hundred studies read now on how useless they are. There have been dozens of meta-analysis reviews and RCTs going back decades showing their ineffectiveness.

    I read a recent article in a journal from a group of pro-mask scientists. One of them is a name I keep seeing. The article was a travesty and disgusting. I also read the 138 footnotes provided.

    What a mess of shit and this from what I’ve observed the strongest set of studies on masks yet. That is, pure garbage.

    They even tried to argue the absence of RCT is a good thing and won’t happen because it’s ‘unethical’ to conduct one.

    That’s all you need to know about the fuckheads behind this and they’re the ones who helped create this incoherent and irrational mask cult that has spread onto a full frontal assault on children.

    May they all rot in hell.

    1. Studies AND articles that is.

  38. Fuck all of this.

    What does this tell us? The CDC is really digging their newfound powers and are going to do everything they can to remain important. Masks are here to stay. Distancing, Zoom, loneliness are now up there with Apple Pie (fattening, best to avoid) and baseball (don’t even think about gathering for a live communal event you murdering Trumptard) as fundamentally American.

    I live in Austin, and when Abbott lifted the mask mandate, sales of fainting couches went through the roof. “Neanderthal thinking!” cried President Grandpa Gropes.

    The old joke is no longer a joke: everything is allowed as long as it’s mandatory.

    We’re seriously fucked. Normal ain’t coming back.

  39. …and don’t forget to put on your astronaut suit just be sure.

  40. Uh, the solution is obvious. Tell all the kids you’re playing Mummy, wrap then head to toe in gauze (including the mouth and nose) set their “sarcophagus” 6 feet apart from one another, and go take a bourbon break.

    Sorry libertarians. This solution is so obvious I’m embarrassed for us.

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  42. All kids are different. My 3 kids (9, 5 and 3) all love wearing masks. They think it makes them superheroes or ninjas. I never once have to remind them to wear a mask or how to properly wear one. They even ask me if they can put one on.

    Wasn’t the main concern that children were the ones spreading the virus through asymptomatic transmission? So doesn’t that mean that a person who is vaccinated can carry the virus in their body? The vaccine isn’t an outside barrier on your skin. It allows your body to fight off the virus if the viral load is not too heavy. So it only logically follows that you can carry the virus in you without succumbing to it, and therefore transmit it to someone else. Right?

    Correct me if I am wrong.

    1. You are wrong. Asymptomatic transmission is a fantasy.

      1. Yup, even our “medical authorities” and their media lackeys are now reporting how the magic vaccines prevent asymptomatic cases and transmission.

      2. Would you please explain further with evidence?

      3. “No, no we didn’t say that,” said Natalie E. Dean, a co-author of the study and a University of Florida assistant professor of biostatistics “This is a misinterpretation of our message of our scientific findings and conclusions.”

        Dean said it is important for the public to understand her study was only analyzing household studies and there is limited data at this point. She said “there does seem to be evidence that people who never have symptoms do appear to be less infectious,” but she said that does not mean that people without symptoms cannot transmit the virus that causes COVID-19.

        “Certainly we are seeing presymptomatic transmissions before they develop symptoms,” Dean said, a point that is also made clearly in the article text. She called presymptomatic transmission “an important feature of this virus” and said “our policies need to reflect that.”

        https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9902244410

        1. If you read that and came to the conclusion there’s evidence of asymptomatic symptomatic spread, I don’t know what to tell you.

          She does not have any evidence of asymptomatic spread, but she does have evidence that asymptomatics don’t spread.

          Of course, no evidence doesn’t mean evidence doesn’t exist, they just haven’t found it yet.

          Kinda like the stolen election of 2020, am I right?

          1. She literally says in the first thing I quoted that the people interpreting her study saying that her study shows that there is no asymptomatic spread is an incorrect interpretation of her study.

  43. Fear induces compliance. Compliance induces fear. The cycle reinforces the power structure.

    It worked for Islam a thousand years ago, and plunged a major leading center of global civilization and intellectual development into a retrograde dark age. It should work for (on?) us.

    1. Christianity? What?

      1. Same difference. Only Islam did it gooder and harder.

        And the Islamic world is the modern showcase for endless sectarian violence.

      2. Heh. Christian Dark Ages are a well known myth among middle age scholars and has been for at least 15 years.

        The “Dark Ages” nomen may be the result of a propaganda effort.

        https://www.jstor.org/stable/23643958?seq=1

        1. Who said anything about the “Dark Ages”? I was referring to the current movement among the Christian Right.

  44. I just wonder how long before the CDC recommends everyone wear a plastic bag over their head.

  45. You lost me at “The CDC Thinks…”

  46. hundreds of kids die each year from second story window falls. shall we next outlaw windows? fuck, let’s just outlaw second stories. they die of playground injuries. outlaw those too. they die in car wrecks. outlaw cars and force all children to walk and then only while wearing walking helmets. we can wrap them in bubble wrap. let’s give little emma and tyler (typical new style stupid kid names) a respirator and a proximity beacon to alert when someone gets within 3 feet. the CDC shit the damn bed on covid and the dimwits that we call neighbors lost their shit.

    my new autoresponse is going to be “AW SHUT UP”!

    the current generation of parents is a bunch of fucking retards. FUCKING RETARDS!

  47. the CDC also thinks a PCR test detects covid.

  48. i dont know whats happeneing, but 2 year old will not follow this. And “the cdc think? ‘ whats that? they are confused :D.

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