Coronavirus

Two More Vaccines Prove Effective Against COVID-19

We need to speed up vaccinations in order to head off the proliferation of more contagious coronavirus variants.

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Two new, although somewhat less effective, vaccines may soon be joining the fight against the COVID-19 pandemic. Johnson & Johnson announced today that its Janssen subsidiary's one-dose vaccine was 66 percent effective overall in preventing moderate to severe COVID-19, 28 days after vaccination. Protection against the virus began as early as two weeks after inoculation among trial participants.

"The level of protection against moderate to severe COVID-19 infection was 72% in the United States, 66% in Latin America and 57% in South Africa, 28 days post-vaccination," noted the company's press release. Although not as high as the 95 percent efficacy thresholds achieved by the already-approved Moderna and Pfizer/BioNTech vaccines, the Johnson & Johnson vaccine is considered a fairly strong vaccine. For example, seasonal flu vaccines are typically 40 to 60 percent effective.

An additional encouraging result reported by Johnson & Johnson is that the vaccine "demonstrated complete protection against COVID-related hospitalization and death" by one month after inoculation. Also, the vaccine was 85 percent effective in preventing severe disease across all regions studied and no severe cases of the disease occurred among those vaccinated after seven weeks. "In a pandemic, if you can, with a single-dose vaccine, very quickly eliminate the severe consequences of death, hospitalization, and severe disease, that's what's important for society," Paul Stoffels, Johnson & Johnson's chief scientific officer, told the biomedical news site STAT.

The prevalence of different and more contagious COVID-19 variants is likely responsible for the disparity in effectiveness in the regions where the vaccine was tested. Other studies also suggest diminished effectiveness against that the South African strain by the COVID-19 vaccines made by Pfizer/BioNTech, Moderna, and Novavax.

Johnson & Johnson said that the company intends to file for a U.S. Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) with the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in early February and expects to have doses available to ship immediately following an authorization. The one-dose vaccine can be shipped via standard vaccine channels, making it much less finicky than the two-dose Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna vaccines that must be shipped in ultra-cold containers.

The company also said that it will be able to meet its 2021 supply commitments. A U.S. Government Accountability Office report earlier this week reported that Johnson & Johnson could deliver 2 million doses immediately upon receiving an EUA. The company has contracted with the U.S. government to make 100 million doses available before the end of June.

A day earlier, the vaccine maker Novavax reported promising preliminary results for its two-dose COVID-19 vaccine. The company's vaccine was nearly 90 percent effective in the United Kingdom arm of its clinical trials. However, interim results from its South African clinical trial find that its vaccine is about 60 percent effective in preventing mild, moderate, and severe COVID-19 disease among the 94 percent of South African volunteers who were HIV-negative. Again, like the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, the Novavax inoculation seems to be less effective in preventing COVID-19 caused by the more contagious South African strain.

Novavax did not say when it might seek an EUA from the FDA. It is noteworthy, however, the company began a rolling approval submission to the U.K. Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) earlier this month. One urgent suggestion: If the U.K. approves the Novavax vaccine, the FDA should immediately authorize its distribution here. The company notes that its vaccine does not require special handling and can be distributed through existing vaccine supply chains. The company has been contracted to supply 100 million doses to the U.S. government, but has not said how quickly they could be made available if it receives an EUA.

Considering the proliferation of more contagious (and possibly more deadly) COVID-19 strains, it is reassuring that new weapons in the fight against the pandemic may soon become available.

 

 

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  1. “We need to speed up vaccinations in order to head off the proliferation of more contagious coronavirus variants.”

    Because that is exactly why viruses mutate and evolve. Not enough vaccinations. Influenza didn’t get the memo — or, maybe it did, since it no longer exists.

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  3. Two new, although somewhat less effective, vaccines may soon be joining the fight against the COVID-19 pandemic. Johnson & Johnson announced today that its Janssen subsidiary’s one-dose vaccine was 66 percent effective overall in preventing moderate to severe COVID-19, 28 days after vaccination……..MORE DETAIL.

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  5. The UK and South African variants have spread rapidly – the UK variant is now in more than 50 countries and the South African one has spread throughout the southern part of the continent. The Brazil variant has been detected in travellers to South Korea and Japan but is not thought to have spread widely beyond its borders.

    I’m so old I can remember when naming a virus after the area where it was first detected was considered racist and xenophobic.

    1. They are only referring to the Afrikaners, so it’s okay. South Korea and Japan aren’t China, so it’s okay to name them too. Brazilians are too fucking miscegenated to draw any hard and fast rules, so I will give them a pass on that one.

  6. Posting in this thread, too… anyone hearing anything about some CNN-Anon conspiracy theory where Trump and his minions are going to take over… something on Monday? My friends TDS-suffering father is convinced that The Devil Trump is going to engage in some kind of insurrection on Monday and he heard it on the CNNs.

    1. People are collecting mental illnesses like they’re worth something and I find it very strange because these days you can score a marijuana prescription to treat almost any non-descript variety of “chronic pain” you can manage to sell to your physician. People don’t need to make themselves crazy, but it keeps happening, and I don’t get it.

    2. Jesus Fucking Christ, but the Right is lazy, and the Left is insane.

      There is no secret cabal helping Trump fight off this new despotism of the Left. There never was. There is no plan, no 5d chess move.

      If you want to stop this, you’re going to have to get off your asses, meet your neighbors, and other like minded people, and figure out what you all need to do. Q isn’t going to do it for you. If there was any plan behind Q at all—and I doubt there was—then it’s purpose was to anesthetize people who otherwise might actually start working and trying to hold the Trump administration accountable to its campaign promises.

      1. I still don’t really know what ‘Q’ is beyond it’s some conspiracy theory shared by some Trump supporters.

        1. Some asshole(s) making Delphic proclamations at place like 4 and 8Chan, like they were an insider within Government. Reassuring people that Hillary would be jailed, there were “15,000 sealed indictments” at DOJ, that Gitmo was going to be re-opened…etc.

          Basically, that Trump was aware of the Deep State’s intransigence, and a group of people working behind the scenes were going to fix it. All of it.

          As I said, total bullshit. There is no plan. There are shared goals and ideologies though.

    3. I’m starting the rumor that the drop of CNN from airport terminals has tanked its stock price and Trump is going to buy it up and rename it ATATT — All Trump All The Time.

      1. Beautiful. Sign me up for the streaming version.

        1. A non-stop Trump stream of consciousness channel would be something to see.

      2. A lot of acronyms do not include articles, so it could be named AT-AT.

    4. Just heard about it. From you. :-/

      1. It’s probably nothing. Just something my good friend was telling me his father was telling him. Walking around the house, checking the canned goods and stuff.

    5. Did Qanon “red pill” CNN writers? (who were obviously perusing gab and telegram to learn their ways so they can defeat them) Oops.

      1. In all seriousness, I think we are all going to be at least a bit insane before too long. In one corner, you have Q people convinced that literally every politician is a human trafficking satanist. In the other, you have leftist institutions, social media accounts and big companies rewarding/incentivizing actual pedophiles and punishing anyone who criticizes it. https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1355248969744601093

        The truth is probably somewhere in between, with politicians even more evil than we realize, but Qanon fed misinformation to make the more mentally unstable Trump supporters even crazier and fringier (and possibly provoke one of them to attack so the left can leverage that to restricting more freedom)

        1. I would’ve thought the pedo stuff was complete bullshit, but…(there’s always a ‘but’.)

          Go back to the wayback machine, discover that the nastiest rumor of the Penn State, kid-raping scandal was that Sandusky wasn’t operating alone, but that his network was helping send kids elsewhere. Ok, even with Ray Gricar dying under charitably, mysterious circumstances, that sounds like bullshit.

          Then consider Epstein Island. And why these guys kept going back. At the level of a Bill Maher or Prince Andrew, you don’t have to fly to an island for pussy or dick. Plenty of people are more than willing to help you order out. Discreet, anonymous, untraceable—because the sex workers are paid/pressured enough for it to be—it’s not challenging for a celebrity to get fucked or be fucked. Whatever.

          So what in the fuck were those guys making multiple trips out there for, if not to do some hideously illegal shit? Like fucking kids.

  7. The Biden administration is now planning to vaccinate all Americans, including the 100 – 150 million Americans who are already immune (due to a previous covid infection), and the pro Biden news media has been promoting this potentially disastrous mass immunization plan even since the election.

    While 25 million Americans have tested positive for covid so far, studies have found 3 – 10 times more Americans were infected with covid than have tested positive. With increased testing, that ratio now appears 3 – 7 times (depending upon location).

    Herd immunity occurs after two thirds of people (in families, workplaces, communities, counties and/or states) have been infected or vaccinated, and the risk of infection declines by half when/after half of people have been infected or vaccinated.

    Despite NO news stories, the herd immunity process has been occurring in thousands of communities, hundreds of counties, and more than a dozen states, led by the Dakotas. By the time 10% of Americans receive covid vaccines, herd immunity will have already protected most Americans from covid.

    But Big Pharma, Democrats and lamestream media propagandists continue to deceive Americans to believe that herd immunity can/will only be attained via mass vaccinations.

    1. 138 counties in the US (31 more than last week) have now surpassed a 13% covid rate (i.e. those who have tested positive).
      Crowley, CO – 30.1%
      Chattahoochee, GA – 23.9%
      Dewey, SD – 23.4%
      Lincoln, AR – 22.6%
      Norton, KS – 21.8%
      Bent, CO – 21.8%
      Lake, TN – 21.4%
      Bon Homme, SD – 21.2%
      Trousdale, TN – 21.0%
      Buffalo, SD – 20.4%
      Buena Vista, IA – 20.0%
      Ellsworth, KS – 18.6%
      Alfalfa, OK – 18.6%
      Eddy, ND – 18.6%
      Jackson, AR – 18.1%
      Dakota, NE – 18.1%
      Childress, TX – 17.8%
      Lee, AR – 17.7%
      Bethel, AK – 17.6%
      Lafayette, FL – 17.4%
      Lassen, CA – 17.2%
      Hale, TX – 17.1%
      Nobles, MN – 17.1%
      Forest, PA – 17.1%
      Foster, ND – 16.9%
      Seward, KS – 16.9%
      Big Horn, MT – 16.9%
      Menominee, WI – 16.9%
      Pawnee, KS – 16.7%
      Logan, CO – 16.6%
      Sheridan, KS – 16.5%
      Wayne, TN – 16.3%
      Yuma, AZ – 16.3%
      Walsh, ND – 16.2%
      Ford, KS – 16.0%
      Finney, KS – 16.0%
      Texas, OK – 16.0%
      Lee, KY – 16.0%
      Aurora, SD – 15.9%
      Lincoln, CO – 15.8%
      Santa Cruz, AZ – 15.8%
      McKinley, NM – 15.7%
      Potter, SD – 15.5%
      Morton, ND – 15.5%
      Stutsman, ND – 15.4%
      Lyman, SD – 15.4%
      Nelson, ND – 15.2%
      East Carroll, LA – 15.2%
      Lubbock, TX – 15.1%
      Maverick, TX – 15.0%
      Burleigh, ND – 14.9%
      Chicot, AR – 14.8%
      Benson, ND – 14.7%
      Dickey, ND – 14.7%
      Sioux, ND – 14.7%
      Madison, ID – 14.7%
      Cass, IL – 14.7%
      Davison, SD – 14.6%
      Culberson, TX – 14.5%
      Woodward, OK – 14.4%
      Rolette, ND – 14.4%
      Faulk, SD – 14.2%
      Oglala Lakota, SD – 14.2%
      Imperial, CA – 14.2%
      Haywood, TN – 14.2%
      Toole, MT – 14.2%
      East Feliciana, LA – 14.2%
      Whitfield, GA – 14.1%
      Plymouth, IA – 14.1%
      Crocket, TX – 14.1%
      Douglas, SD – 14.0%
      Colfax, NE – 14.0%
      Lawrence, IL – 14.0%
      Nemaha, KS – 13.9%
      Minnehaha, SD – 13.9%
      Yell, AR – 13.9%
      Lamb, TX – 13.9%
      Scurry, TX – 13.9%
      Webb, TX – 13.9%
      Val Verde, TX – 13.8%
      Griggs, ND – 13.8%
      Beadle, SD – 13.8%
      Gove, KS – 13.8%
      Kearny, KS – 13.8%
      Wilbarger, TX – 13.8%
      Clinton, IL – 13.8%
      Republic, KS – 13.7%
      Crawford, IA – 13.7%
      Stark, ND – 13.6%
      Fayette, IL – 13.6%
      Golden Valley, ND – 13.6%
      Sevier, AR – 13.6%
      Pickett, TN – 13.6%
      Okfuskee, OK – 13.6%
      Grand Forks, ND – 13.6%
      Ramsey, ND – 13.6%
      Potter, TX – 13.6%
      Towner, ND – 13.5%
      Obion, TN – 13.5%
      Richmond, VA – 13.5%
      Henry, IA – 13.5%
      Madison, LA – 13.5%
      Rush, KS – 13.4%
      Jones, TX – 13.4%
      Kings, CA – 13.4%
      Dodge, WI – 13.4%
      Morgan, KY – 13.3%
      Sanborn, SD – 13.3%
      Utah, UT – 13.3%
      Coddington, SD – 13.3%
      Jones, IA – 13.3%
      Sioux, IA – 13.2%
      Wright, IA – 13.2%
      Hemphill, TX – 13.2%
      El Paso, TX – 13.2%
      Roosevelt, MT – 13.2%
      Perry, IL – 13.2%
      Deaf Smith, TX – 13.1%
      Tom Green, TX – 13.1%
      Dyer, TN – 13.1%
      Miami Dade, FL – 13.1%
      Webster, IA – 13.1%
      Dubois, IN – 13.1%
      Ward, ND – 13.1%
      Kusilvak, AK – 13.1%
      Jerauld, SD – 13.0%
      Pershing, NV – 13.0%
      Teton, WY – 13.0%
      Charles Mix, SD – 13.0%
      Brule, SD – 13.0%
      Thomas, KS – 13.0%
      Putnam, TN – 13.0%
      Moore, TN – 13.0%
      Saline, NE – 13.0%
      Dawson, TX – 13.0%
      Kandiyohi, MN – 13.0%

      1. 20 states with the highest covid case rate (i.e. positive tests) are
        https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/09/01/816707182/map-tracking-the-spread-of-the-coronavirus-in-the-u-s#curves

        ND – 12.8%
        SD – 12.2%
        RI – 10.7%
        UT – 10.7%
        TN – 10.5%
        AZ – 10.2%
        WI – 10.1%
        IA – 10.1%
        NE – 9.8%
        OK – 9.6%
        AR – 9.6%
        KS – 9.4%
        IN – 9.2%
        AL – 9.2%
        MS – 9.1%
        ID – 9.1%
        NV – 8.9%
        WY – 8.9%
        IL – 8.8%
        MT – 8.7%

        So far, 8.0% of Americans have tested positive for covid.

        1. To see how herd immunity occurs, simple go to
          https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/new-cases-50-states
          and look at the huge decline in new covid cases in many states during the 6 – 10 weeks.

          States with the most significant declines in new covid cases
          (that appear to be achieving herd immunity) are:
          ND (-94%)
          SD (-89%)
          MN (-87%)
          WY (-85%)
          IA (-81%)
          AK (-80%)
          WI (-78%)
          NE (-77%)
          TN (-77%)
          MT (-76%)

          So why no news stories (especially at Reason)?

          1. Their payment processor will cancel them (as is their god-given corporate right) if they step out of line.

            1. That assumes they are still getting donations.

              1. reminds me of the Hebdo attack, if everyone in journalism had immediately agreed to convert to Islam afterward

                the press certainly has a nuanced view of protests

                Bush “dissent is the highest form of patriotism”

                Obama “Tea Party terrorists”

                Trump “mostly peaceful protesters against racism”

                Biden “deadly insurrectionists”

                there’s already a 100-page AP deep dive into the social media of everyone at the Capitol riot

                meanwhile they are of course still sending BLM billions of dollars and dismissing Antifa as “just an idea”

                unless that idea is actually burning down a DNC HQ, then maybe they get a two-week suspension

                1. Antifa as “just an idea”

                  I’m pretty sure that the DNC and the US government are also just ideas. As are all ideologies and organizations. Such a silly way to try to dismiss concerns, but it seems to work, somehow.

                  1. It works because most people are spectacularly well-conditioned to think in buzzwords and catch-phrases.

                    Antifa is “just an idea” and, therefore, not dangerous. On the other hand, Q-anon is also “just an idea,” which is what makes it so particularly dangerous.

                    Doublethink is very fucking real, and most people don’t even realize they are doing it — which just means they are doing it well.

                    1. Antifa is “just an idea” and, therefore, not dangerous. On the other hand, Q-anon is also “just an idea,” which is what makes it so particularly dangerous.

                      But the Q Anon Idea didn’t burn any businesses in Minneapolis. Go figure.

          2. To promote vaccines for all Americans (instead of for just those who are not already immune), Big Pharma, CDC and FDA have colluded to downplay the importance of antibody tests (that find out if people have ever been infected with covid), which cost more money (and aren’t paid for, subsidized nor recommended by Big Government) than PCR tests (which only detect a current covid infection).

            Natural herd immunity is now being attained in hundreds of counties and a dozen states, but nobody is reporting this fact.

            C’mon Ronald, why not an article (or better yet, a half dozen articles) exposing this most recent (and ongoing) example of public health malpractice by Big Pharma, CDC, FDA, US SG, Big Medicine and Big News Media?

            1. Yes, thanks for continuing to bang this drum.

            2. Pfft. The numbers are going down because everyone is dead.

            3. Natural herd immunity is now being attained in hundreds of counties and a dozen states, but nobody is reporting this fact.

              That’s because ‘now being attained’ is NOT a fact you fucking moron. You don’t understand the numbers you are citing. You don’t understand what herd immunity or disease transmission actually means. You assclowns have been essentially saying the same fucking thing since March or April when you people were spreading around shit that the virus was almost near herd immunity then because it had been around all winter and the deaths were being disguised as ‘flu’.

              Will we get to actual ‘natural’ herd immunity sometime? Almost certainly – whether that happens assisted by the vaccine or not. And if/when we get there via ‘natural’ means rather than ‘vaccination’ – the FUTURE fatalities are gonna gobsmack you. Or maybe not since 400,000+ dead already is perfectly acceptable to you. So hell – maybe there is no number of dead that is enough to say ‘hmm maybe this is a problem we should be aware of’.

              This is not ‘libertarian’ anything. This is nihilism. And is pervasive among the Mises and R and neoconfederate crowd.

              1. Oh no! Nihilism! Sickness! Quick, burn the Constitution.

                1. 400,000 dead. How many would you prefer?

                  1. Assuming the COVID diagnoses on those deaths are all 100% accurate, of course.

                  2. How many dead people does it take to warrant stripping people of all their rights?

                    “If it saves just one life.”

                    And that life is not going to be yours. Apologizing for totalitarians is only good on the internet. Your reckoning is well on its way, faggot.

              2. Just so you know, there are not 400,000 coronavirus deaths. There are 400,000 deaths while testing positive for Coronavirus. It’ll take years to work out exactly how many people’s deaths are directly attributable (and that answer will be on a scale) to the virus itself. Ie, absent the coronavirus infection, person X would still be alive.

                That’s not an easy assessment.

                Last time I looked, my state openly admitted it hadn’t made that proper assessment.

                1. It’ll take years to work out exactly how many people’s deaths are directly attributable

                  No it won’t. That particular statistic will NEVER occur and is irrelevant. Nor need it be calc’d. The statistic that really matters most is total excess deaths. The pathologies of deaths are individual – what damage to this persons heart/lungs/etc – not statistical.

                  The stat of total excess deaths is known within about five or six weeks until the various levels of coroner bureaucracies send their paperwork up their various chains. Absent zombies, vampires, werewolves, and other various undead dead.

                  Here’s excess deaths this year

                  Of course the assclown brigade will find yet more reasons why this isn’t real either. NO deaths were caused by covid. They were all caused by lockdown. Therefore – this is the flu. Same shit different container.

                  1. The number number of those excess deaths (interpreted as the number of deaths that are ALREADY 5% more than is seasonally expected/adjusted – the orange line on the chart) since late March – from the spreadsheet linked to from the link above:

                    386,513 deaths above the orange line. Plus whatever death paperwork hadn’t trickled in yet. Plus whatever portion of the 85,093 deaths from the ‘actual expected deaths’ up to the orange line for that week is truly a covid death. Plus or minus whatever.

                    For someone to pull shit out of their ass about the 400,000 number is simply political lying. I’ve had enough of that this year. those people have lost all credibility about every fucking thing they utter or believe from now until hell freezes.

                    It has actually become an interview test for me re data/analysis hires. Do people actually know what they’re talking about? Are they ethical or not re data?

                    1. So the masks and lockdowns aren’t working?

                  2. JTard screeches at commenters about attributing excess deaths to lockdown measures, while begging the question that the excess deaths are all caused by COVID.

                    JTard must think the 18 kids in Vegas that killed themselves were all COVID deaths, too.

              3. A couple of snippets from my own state’s statistical dashboard:

                Effective December 16, 2020, case, hospitalization, and death counts include both confirmed and probable cases. Confirmed cases are those where individuals had a positive molecular test result for COVID-19. Probable cases are those where individuals had a positive antigen test result for COVID-19, but no positive molecular test result. Our dashboard includes antigen test results dating back to June 2020, when they were first reported in Washington.

                Deaths

                Deaths are reported to the state by health care providers, medical examiners/coroners, local health departments, and others. For this reason, the statewide count of deaths often lags behind the counts of local health departments.

                As of December 10, 2020, death counts on our dashboard reflect those in our official vital records database (the Washington Health and Life Events System) where the cause of death was confirmed or suspected to have been COVID-19. If COVID-19 is later ruled out as the official cause of death, we will remove these deaths from our dashboard. We no longer report preliminary death information recorded in other systems.

                Previously, the state had been recording as death anyone who died while testing positive. This forced them to remove (a small number of) suicides, car accidents, murders etc.

                Getting an exact accurate count is not going to be easy, and is almost certainly overcounted at this time.

              4. This pandemic will be over by the middle of Feb, beginning of March at the latest.

                There will be, at most, 40,000 more Commie-cough associated deaths.

                Why? Because the virus is running out of people to infect.

                It is very important to note that all the mandates didn’t save 400,000 deaths. So, assuming everyone gets vaccinated tomorrow, the very most all these moronic impositions could possibly have saved is 60,000. About that of a middling-bad flu season.

                You don’t do analysis particularly well, do you?

                1. … could possibly have saved is 40,000.

          3. Herd immunity is more complex than a simple 60% or 80% or whatever. It is a percolation problem, but one that is working in an ordered system – humans are not randomly connected – and this makes herd immunity a function of the connections in society. For example, if a town were completely cut off from the rest of society and it did not have any Covid cases, the rest of society could reach the magic number of 65% and might have ‘herd immunity’, but if an infected person goes into that town the virus could spread to everyone who lives there (who is not vaccinated). Even in the larger society, after herd immunity is reached, people can still get infected if they encounter someone with the virus. The spread will be greatly reduced however, since most of the people one encounters will not be infectious. So the next time Fauci or some other charlatan says herd immunity is X%, remember that people can still get infected. Fortunately, most Donkeys don’t know this and will be willing (finally) to open up society. Be careful not to tell them or we might be wearing masks forever.

            1. Be careful not to tell them or we might be wearing masks forever.
              I can almost guarantee we will be.

            2. Fortunately, most Donkeys don’t know this and will be willing (finally) to open up society. Be careful not to tell them or we might be wearing masks forever.

              It’s between misnomer and fudge factor…

              You should call it entropy, for two reasons. In the first place your uncertainty function has been used in statistical mechanics under that name, so it already has a name. In the second place, and more important, no one really knows what entropy really is, so in a debate you will always have the advantage.
              — John von Neumann

              You can’t know the innate immunity to a previously unknown virus. Additionally, since there is/can be no axiomatic definition of a herd, it’s the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy made science policy/hypothesis. Herd immunity is a/the scientifically acceptible way to ‘correct’ your bad guesses with reality.

              The problem is the compounding of scientism; converting bad guesses into policy. As such, herd immunity is reached every time an individual, family, or autonomous group decide or know they are immune.

              1. What a babbling brook of words. James Joyce – but even more boring.

  8. We need compulsory vaccinations to save us from the compulsory lockdowns

    Fuck yourself with a rake Ronald McFuckface

    1. Funny you should mention that; I notice that no government anywhere is updating their illegal ‘mandates’ to add exemptions for those vaccinated or those who have immunity by recovering from the disease.
      Maybe the Science is about political control and not disease control?

  9. personally I am waiting on the UB-612 peptide vaccine trials with bated breath

    much cheaper, much easier to transport (it can be freeze-dried), and potentially more effective with fewer side effects

    sadly it will probably not be ready in time for First World markets

    https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04545749

    1. Well, that sounds nice, but all the logistical funding is used to pay for abortions in the thirld world.
      (Something that would be racist and slavery if done by Trump)

  10. OK, what if the variants are more contagious, but less dangerous? That seems likely. I virus that doesn’t kill it’s host or cause serious illness will tend to get around more, I would imagine. So are the more contagious variants necessarily a bigger concern? I don’t know about the others, but I have read that the UK variant is less likely to cause high fever or loss of sense of smell and similar in other symptoms. Maybe this just evolves into a slightly more contagious common cold. I don’t know, but I don’t like the immediate jump to “we must do something” whenever there is something new in Rona-world.

    1. I think it is time to point out there is no cure for the ‘common’ cold, a collection of viruses.
      There is no cure for any virus.
      There will not be a cure for the Communist CHinese Virus.
      Deal with it.

      1. Well, yeah. That’s what I’ve been saying all along. We have some big seasonal outbreaks and then it just becomes another of the many common and occasionally deadly viruses that we always have around.

      2. A virus can be communist?

        Checked the sequence. There it is.

        CCUUAA

        Communist China U Asshole Americans.

        That repeats several times.

        Or could just be proline with a stop after. Hard to tell with these communist RNA sequences.

        1. When it comes out of their lab, Echospinner? (Admittedly with a ton of US help—Congress kept the receipts) Then yeah, it’s their fucking virus.

          It didn’t walk out of UNC’s lab.

    2. OK, what if the variants are more contagious, but less dangerous?

      Before COVID, this was hypothesized (and plenty of pretty solid evidence collected) as a mechanism by which entire species aren’t routinely wiped out by every new virus. Deadly strains proliferate and mutate into less deadly strains that are more virulent.

      Now, of course, vaccines are the only way to achieve immunity and/or prevent death. Even though, as Rand Paul pointed out, catching COVID is over 99.99% effective at preventing reinfection while the vaccines approach 95-97%.

      1. “Even though, as Rand Paul pointed out, catching COVID is over 99.99% effective at preventing reinfection while the vaccines approach 95-97%.”

        “Chances are you’ll be perfectly fine” just doesn’t sell and doesn’t open the door to a whole new universe of government sponsored graft.

  11. We need to speed up vaccinations in order to head off the proliferation of more contagious coronavirus variants.

    Too late for that. Eliminating the coronavirus altogether would have only been possible if everyone had done the stuff that east Asia (generally) did early.

    Now the virus is mutating like it always will if there is someone new to spread it too. Mutations that make it more contagious – like the versions in the UK, South Africa and Brazil – and the earlier mutation in Europe – will spread it faster. And there is zero chance that most of the world will even see a vaccination this year or next year.

    This will turn from pandemic into endemic once we hit some rough level of herd immunity. Maybe in some countries, the vaccine will help us hit that herd immunity level better with much lower fatalities/etc. In other countries not.

    But once that tips, it will THEN look more like a very serious flu. Seasonal flareup in winter if it remains respiratory transmission. The vaccine will likely require annual or biennial boosters – and will become bi/tri valent over time. The virus will mutate from season to season but early on at least in consistent ways that take advantage of the low hanging fruit of the human genome weaknesses.

    And it will become a bit like a lion culling the herd of weaker older zebras every year. In most countries, they will focus on trying to make the weaker zebras stronger – which may or may not work. In the US, we will focus on whatever makes vaccines and pills and doctors more profitable and heroic so that the medical sector remains the major job creator. So none of that other country shit – and our life expectancy will begin to drop.

    1. More door welding needed!

    2. “Too late for that. Eliminating the coronavirus altogether would have only been possible if everyone had done the stuff that east Asia (generally) did early.”

      Delusional.

    3. In Europe, where the excess death data is of reasonably high quality (euromomo.eu) excess deaths for the winter season are barely above the normal 5 year average. Some are higher but most are within striking distance of the average. C19 is already endemic. It will be relegated to a seasonal virus with drastically reduced mortality after this summer.

  12. We need to speed up vaccinations in order to head off the proliferation of more contagious coronavirus variants.

    I’ll say this again too; a good number of the deaths from COVID were the harvest effect. People who have been one flu vaccination away from death for 4-5 (or more) yrs. and who should’ve been expected to succumb to virtually any spreading disease for which we didn’t have a vaccination or treatment.

    The notion that we should be producing and administering more vaccine than people are asking for, especially doing so to head off ‘unknown variants’, is a part of the problem.

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