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The Coffey County, Kansas, health department will be hiring an outside nurse to administer COVID-19 vaccines after all of the nurses on staff refused to give the vaccine. "It's a new technology," health department administrator Lindsay Payer told county commissioners. "We've never seen it before. It was only studied in 45 people before it was approved. … That's widely known, and it's somewhat discomforting to a nurse who has to put that in people's bodies." Dr. Jeff Sloyer, the county medical officer, says that's all BS. "Both of these vaccines were very well studied," Sloyer said. "The Pfizer one had over 40,000 people in their trial, and the Moderna one had 30,000 people in their trial."

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  2. The short term side effects are well studied, and are almost always mild.

    The long term effects have not been studied at all in anyone.

    1. Gee I wonder why….

      1. Look, just as one can get nine women and make a baby in a month, one can study 40,000 people for 6 months, or 10,000 people for 4 years. It is known.

        1. Who are you, who are so wise in the ways of Science?

          1. He is Deus Ex Science. So he has spoken. So it is.

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  5. I guess some medical professionals just hate grandmothers as much as New York governors.

    1. I believe your snark is actually true for some state health care officials.

      My dad is in North Carolina. He called the local health department to get an appointment for a vaccination. They said they could pencil him in for the end of June. He’s in his early 80’s.

      1. In my county in California vaccines were held up for two days while the HR department at our biggest hospital decided, in the light of racial, sexual, LBGQT, and income inequalities who should get the shots, how they were to be recorded, and to set up a committee to monitor compliance.

        1. Meanwhile the cold storage the vaccines were kept in failed due to rolling brownouts, and all the doses were lost . . .

        2. Poe’s law?

        3. As bad as that is, it’s not as bad as LA County shutting down vaccination sites for two days for MLK Day.

  6. So I’m curious, if long term side effects do appear, this act by the hospital will open them up to liability won’t it? Every nurse refusing to administrate, means the hospital can’t claim ignorance to the possibility of problems.

    1. I believe there is some federal law that sets up a kind of insurance pool for vaccinations and bars individual lawsuits.

      1. 1988 SIRVA – injuries due to vaccinations. I got a flu shot 3 years ago too high on the shoulder. It went into the bursa and caused bursitis for 18 months. Since I’m retired and lost no wages or work I got $47K for pain and suffering. $100-150 if you lose wages. The FEDs don’t want law suits against CVS, Walgreens, hospital nurses etc. There is a congressional movement to cancel the program and limit liability to providers as well as manufacturers. That was quashed this past fall.

    2. Vaccine companies lobbied away their liability decades ago. The tax payer is on the hook….read the vaccine fact sheet for more information on who to sue…….

  7. It took at least 9 months to learn the dangers of thalidomide.

    CB

    1. And about 30 years to get it re-approved.

      But I get the joke.

  8. Probably all Trump supporters. Knuckle-dragging know-nothing Luddites putting their faith in their so-called “God” instead of Government Almighty as the bureaucracy has decreed. All the experts have agreed the vaccine is perfectly safe and thoroughly tested even though it’s unlike any vaccine we’ve ever seen before. They’re probably confused by watching FOX News or the Alex Jones show where crackpots posing as experts suggest there might be questions about the vaccine. THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS ABOUT THE VACCINE! So stop asking or we’ll send around a couple of guys named Vinnie to break your legs.

    1. So stop asking or we’ll send around a couple of guys named Vinnie to break your legs.

      Nah, they’ll send you off to a re-education camp where you’ll be forced to watch a 24/7 feed of CNN, MSNBC, and Samantha Bee until you learn to hate DRUMPH and love Big Brother.

      1. Josie Stalin-Cortez dreams of the day she has that kind of power.

    2. Reading the vaccine fact sheet gave me all the info I need…. “there is no approved vaccine for COVID-19” that comes from the fda. Best of luck listening to experts…whatever the flavor.

    3. AH! Found the cliché party!

  9. Where do you go when experts disagree with experts?

    1. You can start by not giving nurses the power to tell doctors what is “good science”.

    2. Nurses aren’t experts

  10. What’s the matter with Kansas?

    1. Lax immigration enforcement with Oz.

      1. All those darn Munchkins…

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  12. Face it, the human species is not worth saving.

    1. Humans are “not worthy of survival”?

      Hmmmm. Apparently then it’s true: this has all happened before, and it will all happen again.

      1. So say we all!

  13. It’s worth noting that Coffey County, Kansas is a relatively low-population rural county (about 8500 people in 650 square miles). Their one (acute care) ‘hospital’ wouldn’t pass for an urgent care facility in a metropolitan area – it’s a 1-story building with 6 doctors on staff and 36 beds.

    So ‘all’ the nurses refusing might be a sample size of a dozen or fewer.

    1. Plus, Burlington and the rest of Coffey county are crawling with KU fans… ergo ipso facto dorme-vouz, we probably shouldn’t take anything serious out of that place. Wolf Creek Nuclear Plant probably irradiated their brains.

      1. University of Kansas wouldn’t abbreviate to KU even in the Latin.- Universitas Kansiensis. I’d be worried about matriculating at Lysdexia of University. Same for Colorado. – (Universitas Colorata?). Anybody have a diploma with the preferred form?

        1. Mine says:

          SICILLUM UNIVERSITATIS KANSIENSIS

    2. It’s four nurses and a supervisor in their health department.

      1. Damn Deplorables!

  14. The pay rate for a locums nurse is significantly higher plus they will need to pay for expenses and insurance. Somebody is getting a good gig out of this.

    “It was only studied in 45 people before it was approved. … That’s widely known“

    WTF??? (Backs slowly out of room..”umm I have another appointment to get to but you have a nice day”)

    1. The fact that medical “professionals” would try to state this as fact is ridiculous.
      Yes, pharmaceutical companies, regulators, and public health professionals, who are all extremely well-aware of the rise in anti-vaccine conspiracy theories, are going to release a high-profile vaccine for mass use after testing it on only a few dozen people. I cannot roll my eyes hard enough at this.

  15. the county medical officer

    WTF? Did a starship crash in Coffey County? Is this an elected position or can any coastal quack or vet-school flunky move out to rural Kansas, pay off the right people, and declare himself in charge of the County’s health?

    1. County Coroner is often Medical Examiner these days, and I’ve lived where the post is elective. In a small enough community the coroner may also be the head of the local health department. Or, such a person may just be an administrator and not even an MD or DO.

      1. This guy is a MD and he also was saying that the nurses were spouting bunk, so he’s probably OK. Maybe the blurb above was awkwardly written.

        “Dr. Jeff Sloyer, the county medical officer, says that’s all BS. “Both of these vaccines were very well studied,” Sloyer said. “The Pfizer one had over 40,000 people in their trial, and the Moderna one had 30,000 people in their trial.””

  16. I’ll wait until at least fifty million Democrats have taken a covid vaccine before trying it myself.

    If the vaccine’s death rate isn’t higher than covid’s 0.04% death rate, I might even take the vaccine. But I won’t take a vaccine unless/until I’ve been confirmed as never having covid, even though those truly important tests are very difficult to obtain and more expensive than PCR tests.

    1. I have several friends and relatives throughout Iowa who are convinced that they have had the virus in the fall of 2019. Not 2020. They all came down with symptoms that are Coviddy like. Maybe that is also why cases counts are collapsing throughout Iowa and the Midwest. Inverse spiking I tell you.

      1. I have friends that used to go to China often, for work. I had a bad flu in fall of 2019. I asked a doctor if I could get checked for the CCP virus’ antibodies and his reply was, “Why bother now?”

        1. Medicine does not test out of curiosity, but necessity, in case something unexpected occurs. A false positive or procedural injury, for example.

          So he’s right, but what a douche attitude.

  17. “It’s a new technology,” health department administrator Lindsay Payer told county commissioners. “We’ve never seen it before. It was only studied in 45 people before it was approved. … That’s widely known, and it’s somewhat discomforting to a nurse who has to put that in people’s bodies.”

    I assume Lindsay Payer has been fired for felony stupidity.

    1. Lindsay earned her Bachelor of Science in Nursing from Emporia
      State University in 2005, graduating Magna Cum Laude. She received her
      Certificate in Public Health in 2006; she is a 2011 graduate of the Kansas
      Public Health Leadership Institute. She completed the Kansas Local Public
      Health Leadership series in 2014. She is currently working on certification
      as a Lactation Educator.

      https://www.coffeycountyks.org/Home/Components/StaffDirectory/StaffDirectory/30/21?npage=6

      So, a nurse and a bureaucrat, but not an MD

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  19. I’ve had both my shots of the Pfizer vaccine
    And I had a flu shot this year
    I have no immediate side effects at all
    I never heard of a vaccine that had a Side effect that manifested weeks or months or years later
    Usually facial nerve palsy’s, or transverse myelitis start having symptoms within a few days

    1. There has never been this type of technology used for vaccines before.

      1. mRNA tech is a giant achievement, and in a few years we will all marvel at how big of a deal it was that we made it happen.

        1. Unless there’s an increase in autoimmune disease among vaccine recipients. Then we will marvel at why no one was executed for putting such novel technology in people’s bodies.

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