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The FDA Continues To Drag Its Feet on Vaccine Approval

Plus: Oregon rolls back parking minimums, regulators approve a new type of pig, Shrek finally gets the recognition it deserves, and more...

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The first batch of the freshly approved Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine is now being distributed across the country, sparking hopes that we are finally turning a corner on the coronavirus pandemic. Meanwhile, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) continues to drag its feet in approving additional vaccines.

On Friday, the FDA issued an emergency use authorization for this vaccine, allowing Pfizer to start shipping out the first of some 3 million doses from its warehouse in Kalamazoo, Michigan. By noon on Monday, some 55 locations had received their shipments of the vaccine, reports the Wall Street Journal. By Sunday, millions of doses are supposed to ship to over 1,000 locations. By the end of the year, Pfizer says 25 million doses of its vaccine will be available countrywide.

This is all great. The endless stories about healthcare workers getting the first round of vaccine shots are some of the first bits of good news to make it onto the front pages of newspapers and websites in the last nine months.

It's nevertheless important to remember that the FDA's approval is coming nearly two weeks after British regulators greenlighted the same vaccine, and almost a month since Pfizer/BioNTech submitted its final data for the agency to review.

Had the FDA acted more swiftly—say by bumping up the December 10 meeting it held to recommend approval of the Pfizer vaccine—Monday's good news could have arrived a few weeks earlier. Meanwhile, the advisory committee tasked with evaluating another vaccine developed by Moderna is not set to meet until Thursday.

Given the slow rollout of these vaccines (slow, at least, when considered against the number of people needing to be vaccinated), it's easy to think that the delay of a few days or weeks isn't all that consequential.

Not so, says George Mason University economist Alex Tabarrok, who deploys some back-of-the-envelope math to argue that a few thousand people will die for every day the FDA dawdles in approving new vaccines.

"The slow ramp up doesn't change the number of deaths caused by delay. It just spreads them out over different days. You can adjust the ramp [up] so that it occurs over 10 days or 30 days. Doesn't change much," he writes in a post at Marginal Revolution.

"FDA delays [in approving early coronavirus tests] cost tens of thousands of Americans their lives back in January, and it's happening again now," wrote John Hopkins scientist Marty Makary in The Dispatch about the agency's slow-walking of vaccine approvals.


FREE MARKETS

An Oregon regulatory board issued a new rule that trims the number of off-street parking spaces developers can be required to build. Michael Andersen, in an article for the Sightline Institute, describes what the changes will mean in much of the state:

Middle-housing projects on residential lots of 3,000 square feet or less can't be required to have more than one off-street parking space, total, for the first four homes. For lots of up to 5,000 square feet, no more than two parking spaces can be required, total; for lots of up to 7,000 square feet, no more than three spaces. On lots larger than 7,000 square feet, a limit of one mandatory parking space per home applies.

Parking minimums are yet another regulation that drives up the costs of housing by requiring developers to build more spaces on more land than they otherwise might. By limiting what people can build on land they own, these minimums obviously infringe on property rights.

Oregon's decision to pare back how many parking spaces local governments can require for new developments is a win for both affordability and freedom.


FREE MINDS

In addition to vaccines for humans, the FDA also approved a new type of genetically engineered pig on Monday, reports The Verge. A snippet:

The Food and Drug Administration has approved genetically engineered pigs for use in food and medical products. The pigs, developed by medical company Revivicor, could be used in the production of drugs, to provide organs and tissues for transplants, and to produce meat that's safe to eat for people with meat allergies.

Who knows what other types of super animals we might be getting if regulators weren't so busy dragging their feet (or hooves).


QUICK HITS

  • Republican senators are coming around to the idea that Joe Biden might have won the 2020 presidential election following his victory in Monday's Electoral College vote.
  • Had the FDA approved a vaccine a little more quickly, the momentous news about Shrek being added to the National Film Registry might not have been so criminally overshadowed.
  • Attorney General William Barr announced Monday that he will resign sometime before Christmas.
  • A report from the Center of Global Policy suggests that up to half a million ethnic minorities are being forced to pick cotton in China's Xinjiang region.
  • U.S. tech giants face huge new fines from European regulators, Reuters reports.
  • A San Francisco cop hit two bicyclists after allegedly running a red light.

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  1. The first batch of the freshly approved Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine is now being distributed across the country, sparking hopes that we are finally turning a corner on the coronavirus pandemic.

    To those most expendable of guinea pigs: healthcare workers.

    1. I though those former presidents were going to get the shotit on live tv.

      1. Shot
        Stupid Siri.

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  2. Oregon’s decision to pare back how many parking spaces local governments can require for new developments is a win for both affordability and freedom. foreshadowing of the upcoming rules about how many cars you can own.

    1. I mean, you don’t need to make rules when the market takes care of it for you. Why own a car if you are young and living in Manhattan or San Francisco? I know several people who don’t or didn’t for a long time, and it worked out for them quite well.

      Half the problem is rules like the former portland rules that encourage sprawl and require you to own a car. Mind you, the thought of living in one of these places- where you have to walk everywhere, buy groceries at an over-priced mini-mart to eat dinner, and spend your entire life within 3 miles of your loft- is the definition of hell for me. But different strokes, and all…

      1. Yeah because the entire fucking state of Oregon has the same housing density as Manhattan or San Francisco you stupid fucking prick.

        Oh and also Manhattan and San Francisco’s housing density was determined entirely by the free market without a hint of government influence.

        Did you parents have any children that lived?

        1. Damn. Easy Nancy.

        2. Oh and also Manhattan and San Francisco’s housing density was determined entirely by the free market without a hint of government influence.

          Zoning regulations don’t exist now?

          1. That was sarcasm goofus.

            1. Don’t even try with this guy Nancy, he barely understands anything. Sarcasm might as well be particle physics to White Privilege.

              1. Poop, someone is butt-blasted.

                Tell us some more about the benefits of globalist factory suicide nets, shitlib.

                1. Right!
                  Hey speaking of, I heard you were conceived when your dad butt-blasted your mom 9 months before giving birth to the world’s very first rectal baby. Your mom said that getting continuously ass-blasted didn’t count as losing her virginity so she told everyone she was having a virgin birth like Mary in the bible. Oof… But hey, you really are a miracle in my book. 🙂

                  1. Your personal fantasies are none of our business.

                    The real miracle is you actually believing you’re smart instead of an insecure neurotic. Guess beclowning yourself about the benefits of globalism on factory workers brought that out.

                    1. Sorry you’re so upset. :/

                    2. Likewise. :\

                    3. Lol good one.

                      Enlightened Atheist: 5 🙂

                      White Privilege: -4 🙁

                    4. Red Rocks White Privilege: 907 ????

                      Enlightened Atheist: 859 globalist factory worker suicides ????

              2. It’s not red rocks fault! He didn’t choose to be an inbred hick!

                You can stop talking shit now red rocks since I stuck up for you!

                1. So what’s your excuse, hicklib? That AIDS medication finally kick in?

                  1. Did you come up with that by yourself or did your wife/cousin help you?

                    1. Your husband/cousin emailed it to me.

                    2. I’m not married or gay but I’m glad your hookworm infested brain is trying.

                      When Biden is inaugurated will you continue to suck Trump’s Dick?

                      Who am I kidding of course you will!

                      Please leave MY COUNTRY you fascist, America hating traitor.

                    3. I’m not married

                      LOL big shocker there.

                      You won’t ever be, either, hicklib. Which is a blessing for the human gene pool.

                    4. I know you square social conservatives think everyone needs to get married asap and procreate. However, that’s not for everyone. Shows how inbred and dumb you’re. You’re basically bragging about only getting to fuck your cousin for the rest of your life.

                      Are you Mormon or something? Is that why I’m living rent free in your head? Would explain why you think marrying your cousin asap is something to brag about.

                      Why do you hate America?
                      Actually I know why. You’re wanna be authoritarian fascist.

                      Sorry your BFF Trump lost, but that’s your problem for supporting the fascist Putin wannabe.

                      I take it as a badge of honor that I’ve gotten under the skin of an inbred hick loser like you. The majority of the country hates you far right loons.

        3. “Yeah because the entire fucking state of Oregon has the same housing density as Manhattan or San Francisco you stupid fucking prick.”

          Who pissed in your Wheaties? You said they were going to outlaw cars. I said that in some places it won’t even be necessary. Places like Portland will get more dense and cars will become more of a burden than a boon, much like you must be for everyone who knows you, sunshine.

          “Oh and also Manhattan and San Francisco’s housing density was determined entirely by the free market without a hint of government influence.”

          I never said anything about free markets. You do realize that even heavily regulated markets can influence things, right?

          1. You said they were going to outlaw cars

            I’m not the person you replied to originally you stupid bitch. Above each post is a bolded word. That’s the screen name of the person who made the post.

            Places like Portland will get more dense and cars will become more of a burden than a boon

            The regulation you are defending is statewide dumbfuck. Also Portland is not a dense city even for its size. Portland is not SF or NYC. And 99% of Oregon is suburban or rural.

            I never said anything about free markets.

            I mean, you don’t need to make rules when the market takes care of it for you.

            “The market” didn’t take care of shit. SF and NYC are the sardine cans of density that they are because of the urban planners whose balls you are gargling, not the market. And if the market was going to drive the entire fucking state of Portland to abandon cars and live like the worthless fucking insect urban planning cocksucker that you are, even a brain dead cum guzzler like you might stop to ponder why exactly the statewide regulation was necessary.

            1. *state of Oregon

              1. Dumb bitch.

                1. I’ll stack a typo I corrected in 10 seconds up against your drooling fucking idiocy all day every day cytotoxic you worthless subhuman piece of shit. The inbred offspring of sarcasmic and his daughter when he forgets the rubber in a drunken stupor would be your intellectual superior at the moment the egg implanted.

                  1. Who are you Nancy and can I subscribe to your newsletter?

            2. Density in Manhattan actually declined following the advent of urban planning. But hey, you do you.

              https://urbanomnibus.net/2014/10/the-rise-and-fall-of-manhattans-density/

              1. Were you hoping nobody would click on the link and find out that it doesn’t say anything of the kind, or are you so fucking retarded you think urban planning began in 2010?

                1. Don’t take your inability to read a fucking graph out on me, retard.

                  Manhattan urban planning started in earnest in 1901. Density peaked soon after.

                  1. Manhattan had urban planning pretty much from the start. That’s why most of the roads are a perfect grid.

                    1. Every city had streets in the nineteenth century. But did they have land use regulations?

            3. Whoever you’re arguing against must be in your head. That other person in your head seems to be winning at least some points, though.

      2. “Half the problem is rules like the former portland rules that encourage sprawl and require you to own a car.”

        An official government law requiring car ownership? Go on.

        1. Sorry. “Encourage sprawl that requires…”

          1. People choosing to live in detached housing and drive to work is fascism. Cowering in your 300 square foot apartment wearing a face diaper like a pathetic mewling cunt while you hope and pray the Uber Eats bicycle delivery boy observes the mandated social distancing rules is free minds and free markets baby!

      3. Half the problem is rules like the former portland rules that encourage sprawl

        Portland has been attempting to reverse sprawl for at least 40 years. Outside the Oregon urban growth boundary you can’t build on less than 80 acres.

        1. If you ever step foot in Oregon I will strangle you with your magic underwear you mormon waste of life.

          There are too many Mormons here. There should be zero.

          We need to burn there churches. Burn that shit stain temple in LO. KILL EVERY MORMON ON EARTH.

          Mormons are cowardly fucking scumbags who need to die.

          I can’t wait to rape your cunt wife and tortureyourkids Chuck. You deserve it by belonging to an evil pedo church.

          Fuck all the people who defend and enable mormons. Your almost as bad as them

          1. Show me on the doll where they touched you…

            1. If a goddamn Mormon came near me it’d be dead. They are destroying America. They need to be exterminated.

              You too Mormon lover.

              1. lol – I have no specific love for Mormons, I just don’t have the reflexive hate hard on that you do. And as mentioned in other threads, I’m tired of your bigoted screeds, so I choose to reply.

                You should seek help; like professional help where you can feel free and safe to explain how Mormons have personally hurt you. As I’m not sure what it is, but anytime someone has irrational misdirected anger, it is almost certainly something very personal that happened, no matter how abstract one tries to make it appear.

                1. It’s not irrational to hate people actively trying to destroy our country and way of life. They breed like goddamn rabbits and are trying to outnumber us and force their disproven, stupid, bullshit beliefs on everyone.

                  Anyone dumb enough to believe the nonsense they believe shouldn’t have kids. Let alone the dozen they all have.

                  Mormons must be exterminated. scumbag

                2. It is pretty clear it is some regular using a sock to rant and hate on me personally. The idea that some random Mormon-hater stumbled upon Reason and decided to single me out for persecution is ludicrous. It started the same week I embarrassed SQLRSLYS for his Trumptator fan-fiction and he had previously projected anti-Mormon prejudice.

                  Occasionally, he hits upon an interesting insult, but the wife-raping and child-killing is old, so I just flag and refresh and don’t have to see it.

                  I lived in OR for 27 years until recently. I couldn’t get away with smoking the SOB there, but he is welcome to come to Texas where I can shoot him in my driveway.

                  1. Good riddance! If you ever visit please let me know!
                    You can’t outsmart me moron. You believe disproven scriptures came from God and worships pedo con artist. I would never go to the asshole of America(Texas/the south).

                    You belong to a church that is destroying America you piece of shit. You deserve far worse than being ridiculed on the internet.
                    Mormon and libertarian are oxymorons. 99% of Mormons are big govt social conservatives who want to force their bullshit beliefs on everyone. That’s why they need to be exterminated.

                    Btw I’m not a sock or anything you fucking LDbS hick waste of life.

                    1. You can’t outsmart me moron.

                      You get outsmarted by basic hygiene, hicklib, you’re no one to criticize.

                    2. Are you Mormon red “dumb as rocks?” You seem to be awfully eager to defend those stupid assholes.

                      I love how you think someone with the name “killallrednecks” would be a hick.

                      Leave you America hating traitor!

          2. Flag. Refresh.

            1. Kill Mormons. Refresh.
              Burn down their churches and temples. Refresh.

    2. Saying the local government is prohibited from requiring developers to build two off street parking spaces for each home is not in any way the same as saying developers are prohibited from building more parking spaces if the market wants them.

    3. That was my first thought, too. Not so much a win for free markets and more of an anti-automobile ownership move.

    4. They mandated off-street parking because of the lack of on-street parking. They could have just banned cars.

  3. Parking minimums are yet another regulation that drives up the costs of housing by requiring developers to build more spaces on more land than they otherwise might.

    We’re not allowed to gather together anymore anyway so who needs those parking spots.

    1. in the future, every car will be a self-driving taxi that circles the block continuously waiting to pick people up, so no parking spots will be required.

      1. They will be Electric and free for all to use.

        1. Free electricity worked out great for Venzuela – first bit coin miners went nuts, now they’re thinking of only allowing electricity 18 hours a week.

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  5. Didn’t NV voted for Trump and PA, GA and WI send provisional votes to Trump?

    All noise?

    Wouldn’t surprise me if the GOP is making half-hearted gestures at trying to look like they’re fighting back just to say they tried.

    1. Yes. Also, the fundraising grift can continue if Trump can say “All we need is this next court case to win in PA and *my* electors will go forward!”

      1. There’s a good comrade

      2. So now election integrity is just a scam.

        Got it.

        1. No. But many of Trump’s remaining hail marys have so little likelihood of prevailing that they can only be explained as fundraising ploys.

          I have no beef with Trump going to court. But it is pretty much fruitless at this point. Trump et al has introduced no hard evidence of fraud other than conjecture, innuendo and hearsay. And while he is correct that many states may have illegally or improperly allowed easier voting, there is no way in the world that a judge is going to throw away the votes of thousands or millions of people who voted in good faith, even if it was technically illegal. It just isn’t going to happen- and suggesting to potential donors that it will happen is pretty shitty, in my book.

    2. All noise?

      Yeah, just noise. Trump’s electors got together and voted, but it has no legal significance at all.

    3. What? Politicians do things just for show?

    4. Lc1789 is a bit of an unreliable narrator.

      1. the narration in his head makes sense to him.

  6. “the FDA also approved a new type of genetically engineered pig”

    Cue the uber-liberals to come out protesting over this… always on the wrong side of the thin blue line.

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  7. “A report from the Center of Global Policy suggests that up to half a million ethnic minorities are being forced to pick cotton in China’s Xinjiang region.”

    That sounds unpleasant. But before any of us Americans get too judgmental, we should remember our government is running literal concentration camps in which people are literally forced to drink from toilets.

    #OpenTheBorders
    #AbolishTheConcentrationCamps

    1. China is now Dixi in the mid 1800’s.

      1. Except they all look alike.

        1. Confucius say: “Man who drink from toilet shit in kitchen sink.”

        2. How many people can distinguish between the Han and Turks?

    2. Jeff’s cookies are 5 cents cheaper due to this forced labor. Why would you deprive him?

      1. “Help, I’m a prisoner in a fortune cookie factory!”

  8. In addition to vaccines for humans, the FDA also approved a new type of genetically engineered pig on Monday…

    The floodgates at the FDA are wide open now, apparently. Bacon better not give me Bell’s palsy now.

    1. How about if it makes you more sensitive (and compliant)?

    2. If they create a pig that has a non-cloven hoof, would it be kosher?

      1. It has 8 legs. It’s twice as kosher.

        1. Nice!

      2. I believe we have a rabbi around here…

      3. For it to be kosher, it would need to have cloven hooves and chew its cud. Pigs have the first, but not the second.

        1. WK would need the certified breeding certificate before he believes it is a pig in the first place.

  9. A typical blockbuster drug spends a decade or more in approval limbo with a half dozen or more doubleblind clinical studies, but the FDA is dragging its feet on fast tracking a vaccine with all of 3 months of safety and efficacy testing on 1500 patients for which the manufacturer has been statutorily granted total immunity from any liability claims.

    1. Oh and this vaccine is intended to fight a respiratory virus with a .01% overall fatality rate and a .001% fatality rate for people under 70 who aren’t morbidly obese fatasses.

    2. The Pfizer vaccine was tested on over 43,000 people.

      1. Makes the 9-month start to finish approval process that much more impressive.

      2. No, it wasn’t. The entire trial in all its phases was 42,000 people, half of which were in the placebo groups, and not all of which made it to the end of the trial. 1500 was a mistake though, so I guess we’re both wrong. You’re just also a pathetic piece of shit pussy too.

        1. Hes an obedient comrade

    3. Remember when in 2019 the FDA held a press conference celebrating the approval of a drug that they said would save 3,000 lives a year? This was after a 10-year long approval process. No one pointed out that the math said that 30,000 people had died while the FDA mill ground along slowly.

      1. No one except libertarians who have been making this exact criticism about the FDA since the 60s.

        1. Except that shouldn’t be a criticism of FDA, but of Congress. FDA’s just doing the job Congress mandated.

          1. Definitely. The FDA takes the form of a proxy in such criticism, but I don’t think that invalidates the argument.

    4. That was before President Biden sped up the process by having his elected officials pressure career politicos to speed up the process.

  10. “Had the FDA approved a vaccine a little more quickly, the momentous news about Shrek being added to the National Film Registry might not have been so criminally overshadowed.”

    She’s a serious thinker folks!

    1. Good news about Shrek, but it is a little the late. The animation has not held up well and is horrible in 4k. Would be nice to update the visuals for the next generation.

      1. Wait for the reboot with characters and story updated for a modern audience.

        1. Dark, brooding Shrek. Donkey is Eeyore.

          1. Ogre Lives Matters protests make up half the new film.

            1. Fortunately ogres are mostly peaceful.

      2. Goddamn Mormon pussy!

        Enjoy your stay in hell scumbag!

    2. It’s Christian Britschgi this week.

      1. Amateur hour

      2. Difference without distinction

  11. Republican senators are coming around to the idea that Joe Biden might have won the 2020 presidential election following his victory in Monday’s Electoral College vote.

    There was no way anyone in a position to do anything about it was ever going to allow another Trump term.

    1. ^ Yep. Establishment Repubs hated him as much as the Dems.

    2. That pretty much explains everything since mid 2016.

      1. And Reason happily went along with them. Because “muh norms!”

        1. Yeah, who needs 230 years of wisdom and tradition? We have a reality tv star who has some really innovative ideas!

          1. We get it, you’re a statist.

            1. Is that the opposite of “He talks dumb like I do! Give him the nuke codes!”?

              1. 230 years of “wisdom” got us the nukes.

              2. When you only posted occasionally, it was easier for you to claim that you aren’t a lefty statist. Now that you shit your anger all over all the time, it’s obvious to everyone that you are.

              3. Saying the status quo of the past 50 years is the optimal arrangement makes you a statist.

              4. Have you heard His Fraudulency speak ever?

          2. He’s old and senile, but I didn’t know he was *that* old.

    3. “anyone in a position to do anything about it”

      Well, if you mean voters, then that’s kind of true. At least the majority of the voters.

      1. Are those blinders comfortable or do you just get used to them after a while?

        1. Funny…

  12. Had the FDA approved a vaccine a little more quickly, the momentous news about Shrek being added to the National Film Registry might not have been so criminally overshadowed.

    What has two thumbs and never seen it?

    1. You’re missing out on a GREAT film. Seriously funny stuff, Shrek.

      1. I’m not taking a stand, I just never saw it.

  13. Attorney General William Barr announced Monday that he will resign sometime before Christmas.

    Cut and runners never win.

    1. Ooo, maybe he found out Trump was going to pardon Snowden!

    2. He’s running out of death row prisoners to execute, so he’s getting bored.

      1. Protecting triple murderers who bury their victims alive is the perfect hill for libertarians to die on.

        1. The death penalty is bad 99.9% of the time, some people are bad at identifying that .1%.

          1. I’m anti-death penalty based upon the logic that mistakes are bound to happen and there is no way to reverse an execution…..however, I firmly believe some people have committed acts of such evil, they have forfeited their right to continue breathing.

            And given how rarely the death penalty is used, I doubt it’s bad 99.9% or the time. It’s likely not bad 50% of the time. This doesn’t change my stance at all, but it’s more in line with reality than your projected percentage.

            1. 99.9% may be hyperbole, the point is that in cases where there’s even a shred of doubt about guilt it shouldn’t be used. The government cannot be trusted to use that kind of force judiciously the vast majority of the time.

              Sometimes though, there is a particularly heinous crime where there’s absolutely no doubt about guilt at all. We KNOW who did it. Not just beyond a reasonable doubt, beyond ANY DOUBT AT ALL. In those cases our choice is keeping someone in prison for the rest of their lives with no chance of parole, or we can execute them. I don’t really see what the former accomplishes other than spending a lot of taxpayer money on a lost cause.

              1. I agree with this:

                the point is that in cases where there’s even a shred of doubt about guilt it shouldn’t be used.

                But not this:

                The government cannot be trusted to use that kind of force judiciously the vast majority of the time.

                I also worry that we actually give life w/o parole sentences too easily, as that is the death penalty with a longer time frame attached. I thin life w/o parole should have automatic appeals just like death row inmates get.

                Having said that, the vast majority of murders heinous enough to possibly get the death penalty, we know beyond almost all doubt who did it. Most crimes are committed by people known to the victim making identifying them and getting evidence, including confessions quite easy.

                Again, I’m still anti-death penalty because mistakes will be made (and likely already have been made) and they are not reversible. But that fact doesn’t negate how often guilt of serious crimes is not in question.

  14. Can someone explain this to me since I can’t wrap my mind around it? Seriously I’m missing something. Any and all viewpoints would be appreciated. We have 300k covid deaths and excess mortality I’m being told by the news is up to around an additional 299k but we’ve been told Covid mostly kills those with problems already, sickness distress, being fat. How can it be since these folks were on the way out? I am missing something obvious?, would none of these folks have died this year even though we are told that the majority have major health issues already that are going to cause death? I could understand part of Covid being excess but not 99% when it kills groups already with major issues.

    Thanks.

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    2. Someone just wants grandma to die.

      1. Well, they have been locked down together for 9 months–can you blame them?

    3. Go here for official estimates of “Excess Deaths”.

      https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

      To calculate “Excess Deaths” you look at a period in time, and predict how many deaths you’d have on an average year, and then you count all the deaths above that number (it’s actually a range, but I’m simplifying).

      A person who is over 80 has about a 10% chance of dying each year. So if COVID kills that person, yes, they may have been on the way out- but there was probably a 90% chance they live to the next year. Further, a person who is morbidly obese can generally treat their diabetes and heart disease, to live many years. COVID will still kill them quickly.

      The way to look at this is that an Excess Death even among the “dry tinder” that covid is burning through, is still knocking potential years off of peoples’ lives. Over a long enough time frame, the Excess Deaths will disappear into the background, as you mentioned. If those people all die over this year, instead of over the next 5 years, a look at Excess Deaths for 5 years would be flat.

      1. Oddly enough, the covid death rate over 80 never peaked above the natural death rate in a given year for that cohort.

        1. Why is that odd? It simply means that in 2020 COVID by itself hasn’t killed as large a fraction of people over 80 as everything that isn’t COVID has in previous years.

        2. What are you talking about? Go to the CDC chart above. It is absolutely clear that the deaths per week of people 75+ are elevated over previous years. There is a clear and obvious spike.

          Go to the site, and select “Weekly Number of Deaths by Age” and update dashboard.

          1. Spikes in numbers are normal and don’t necessarily indicate an issue. To analyze if this spike is an issue you need to compare it against spikes which happen across other years. If this spike is a lot larger than any other spikes, you have an issue. If not, this spike then is just within statistical norms.

            Same thing happens with cancer where a small town may have a 25% incident rate of cancer when normal rate is like 10%. People look to blame a myriad of other things when really it’s just a statistical blip which is unfortunate, but happens and has no outside cause such as power lines or whatever.

    4. The only thing missing is honest numbers.

    5. You’re missing nothing and are on the right track.

      Global excess deaths slightly above norm. In USA (and Canada) same thing if not a smidgen lower.

      This is a virus that preys on ONE demographic (and mostly lethal to people with underlying conditions. So if you’re 75 and healthy chances are you’ll beat it) in ONE setting (nursing homes).

      BUT SHUT IT ALL DOWN for the rest of society who survive it at a 99.9% rate.

      Meanwhile deaths by other causes are skyrocketing across North America because treatments and surgeries are being denied.

      Remind me who the murderers are again? The real virus are gutless and incompetent public officials who have not saved a single damn person and are hiding behind a vaccine to save their worthless and criminal asses.

      As if that’s not enough, then CNN and media gaslight people saying if people die from the vaccine it’s nothing to be worried about.

      What happened to ‘one death is too many and so we have to shut down your small business’?

    6. The cdc website has several charts showing excess mortality. It is hard to determine which are with Covid and which are by Covid and which are just excess deaths but on one of the charts Dementia and Alzheimer was about 30% of excess deaths consistently in almost every state. This is likely a combo of these patients more likely to be in nursing homes where Covid spreads and these patients quickly decline due to routine changes and lack of family visits because of Covid procedure even in places with no Covid. So yes they had an underlying disease but not one that was likely to kill them this year. That’s part of how you get such high numbers above the average death rates for the year while still only having a small percentage be actual Covid deaths.

      1. Don’t forget they’ve shifted flu cases over to Covid.

        2020 is the year of the scam.

        1. You can look at those charts and easily see that COVID far outstrips Flu deaths. Look at the chart. The Flu in 2019 was a tiny spike around january. The excess deaths during 2020 include a large spike and a protracted, elevated number of deaths.

          If flu deaths are being added into COVID, it is making a tiny difference.

          1. Canada has 41 official flu cases to date. Usually we avg. 3100 by now.

          2. You can look at those charts and easily see that COVID far outstrips Flu deaths.

            Yeah dumbfuck, that’s expected when we haven’t had a death attributed to influenza or pneumonia since about March of 2020 and we count auto accidents, suicides and heart attacks as COVID deaths if the deceased tested positive for COVID and/or had respiratory symptoms prior to their death.

            Make sure to keep shilling the narrative and hiding in your bunker like the pathetic pussy bitch you are though.

            1. we count auto accidents, suicides and heart attacks as COVID deaths if the deceased tested positive for COVID and/or had respiratory symptoms prior to their death

              I’ve seen this claim made a lot but I haven’t seen estimates of how large an impact it has, if really much of any. Some searches on DuckDuckGo (I’ve started using that because I find it returns more “alternate” news sources than Google) turns up a report from Washington state back in June that 7 deaths were removed from the count because they had been improperly coded, and one motorcycle death in Orlando.

              Do you have any other sources you can point me to?

            2. If they just took all the normal deaths and called them “COVID” they wouldn’t be Excess Deaths, now would they? Or are you going to tell me that since march, we’ve had more auto accidents, suicides and heart attacks- like 380,000 more- than one would expect in a given year?

              1. Even so, spikes in numbers are normal and don’t necessarily indicate an issue. To analyze if this spike is an issue you need to compare it against spikes which happen across other years. If this spike is a lot larger than any other spikes, you have an issue. If not, this spike then is just within statistical norms.

                Same thing happens with cancer where a small town may have a 25% incident rate of cancer when normal rate is like 10%. People look to blame a myriad of other things when really it’s just a statistical blip, which is unfortunate, but happens and has no outside cause such as power lines or whatever.

                1. To analyze if this spike is an issue you need to compare it against spikes which happen across other years. If this spike is a lot larger than any other spikes, you have an issue.

                  See the chart I linked to below. At least compared to 2015-2019, the rise in deaths and especially the spikes in April and August 2020 are big outliers. So there seems to be an issue.

                  Same thing happens with cancer where a small town may have a 25% incident rate of cancer when normal rate is like 10%. People look to blame a myriad of other things when really it’s just a statistical blip, which is unfortunate, but happens and has no outside cause such as power lines or whatever.

                  But if you saw the same rise in cancer rates across not just the United States, but the world, and it was always correlated with a new type of power line being installed in that area about two weeks prior, then you’d have a pretty strong reason to think the power lines were causing the increase in cancer.

              2. Si, models are infallible, comrade

    7. IT WAS AN ELECTION YEAR!

      Oh, and TRUMP!

    8. It’s basically coincidence that they’re near equal. COVID is killing a bunch of people that would have died anyway, but it also kills a good number of manageably unhealthy people as well and a few otherwise totally healthy folks that nobody would figure on dying in a given year. The latter two are the excess due to COVID itself.

      On top of that, the negative consequences of the pandemic response (high unemployment, social isolation, upticks in anxiety and depression, apprehension regarding preventative & emergency care, etc) are also leading to more deaths than would otherwise be expected. Add the two together and, in simplest terms, that’s your excess deaths.

    9. About 90% of people who died from/of/with covid would have died anyhow this year, most from one or more of their comorbidities.

      BTW the word comorbidities is now the politically correct term to describe “severe obesity”, as left wing government health agencies, Democrats and media outlets now consider terms like fat and obese unacceptable because it might make obese people more depressed.

      1. The excess deaths stat casts some doubt on your claim.

        https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm

        1. Based on ONS data released Nov 19, for overall mortality it has been a bad year. Every bit as bad as 2001 and 2002.

          1. They were dark times indeed.

          2. He doesn’t understand statistics or why comparing to a mean is idiotic. Mean means nothing without at least the 1 std error bars.

        1. As a statistician, you aren’t alarmed by the lack of error bars around the averages? Oh. Carry on then.

          1. It would be nice to have uncertainties around all those numbers. I’d be surprised if spikes attributed to COVID in 2020 fell within those uncertainties. Do you think we are under or over counting weekly deaths in the US by as much as 24k?

            Also, I’m not a statistician, although I do have some education in and experience with statistics. As always, if you object to the substance of anything I’ve presented here, I’m happy to discuss it.

            1. I just saw your comment up above about showing the standard deviation on the mean. The chart I linked to shows the average over 2015-2019 as well as the data for each individual year, so you can get a rough idea of the standard deviation just by eyeballing all the curves — not enough for any kind of precise analysis of course, but enough to see that 2020 deviates after the start of COVID by many standard deviations, particularly around April and August.

              1. Also worth noting is that there is a general trend in those curves for deaths to increase with time (2019 is usually higher than 2018, which usually higher than 2017, which is usually higher than 2016…)

                But even accounting for that (again, just eyeballing, but I think that’s good enough for this level of discussion), 2020 still deviates by a lot after the start of COVID.

    10. the lockdowns are causing the excess deaths. staying indoors and isolated from others is bad for your health and your will to live.

      1. I’m honestly trying to understand this line of reasoning.

        Are you saying that the roughly 300,000 deaths attributed to COVID are people who would have died anyway this year, so they aren’t contributing to the excess over other years?

        And that the observed excess deaths are actually healthy people who are dying from poor physical or mental health caused by the lockdowns?

        If that is correct, how do you explain that the total deaths in 2020 (not separating out those listed as COVID) correlate with the number of known COVID cases (albeit with a time-varying constant of proportionality)? And how do you explain the number of deaths being attributed to COVID and the number of excess deaths matching fairly closely?

    11. They are comparing a rate against the median number and claiming everything above the median is an excess death. So any year that you are “above average” in an “average” death rate, you get to claim the end of the world.

  15. A report from the Center of Global Policy suggests that up to half a million ethnic minorities are being forced to pick cotton in China’s Xinjiang region.

    Our vice president-elect approves.

    1. As does Lying Jeffy.

      1. Nice how chemjeff lives rent free in your head.

        1. Lol. He actually used the sock he’s outed a dozen or more times to rush to his own defense.

          Some of us still remember when you went by your original screen name of cytotoxic too, shit bucket.

        2. Or it’s specify what I was arguing with him about last night that he continues to refuse to address.

        3. Hey, a white knighting White Knight sock is white knighting for the king of socks.
          Isn’t this part of a legend or something?

          1. Wouldn’t Tulpa have first claim to the title of “king of socks”?

            1. Are you also ok with slavery in China for the sake of free trade? Because when you white knight for someone who is, it implies you are.

              1. You’d like to frame it that way, but no.

  16. U.S. tech giants face huge new fines from European regulators…

    Someone must pay for their lockdowns.

    1. The gdpp is working. The consolidated their tech sector into a few companies, and now those companies are easier to extort. If Google and Facebook really want global socialism I hope the EU put a 100% wealth tax on them

    2. I’m on the verge of crying for them.

      Or laughing.

      One of the two.

  17. A San Francisco cop hit two bicyclists after allegedly running a red light.

    No one to root for in this incident.

    1. Sounds like 2 excess COVID deaths to me, right Overt, you pathetic oozing cunt?

      1. Well, in his defense, the bicyclists WERE breathing heavily as they rode….So.

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  19. “The first batch of the freshly approved Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine is now being distributed across the country, sparking hopes that we are finally turning a corner on the coronavirus pandemic.”

    Are we allowed to talk about HOPE yet? I seem to remember some bumper stickers or something.

    1. The hope part is done. Now comes the change, through building back better.

      1. Change is all you are going to end up with in your pocket.

        1. You’ll have your social credit score to help determine if you should have that change or not.

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  22. “Not so, says George Mason University economist Alex Tabarrok, who deploys some back-of-the-envelope math to argue that a few thousand people will die for every day the FDA dawdles in approving new vaccines.”

    In the real world, about 8000 Americans die everyday, no matter what the FDA (or any government agency) does.

    1. And not to suggest any policy prescriptions but at ~10K births per day it would be pretty disruptive to have the number of deaths drop by an order of magnitude over the span of a few months.

  23. “Middle-housing projects on residential lots of 3,000 square feet or less can’t be required to have more than one off-street parking space, total, for the first four homes.”

    But they can be required to have solar-powered electric car charging stations, with BLM and vegan messaging and rainbow decor.

  24. A report from the Center of Global Policy suggests that up to half a million ethnic minorities are being forced to pick cotton in China’s Xinjiang region

    You know who else forced ethnic minorities to pick cotton?

    1. Cotton on the roadside cotton in the ditch, we all picked the cotton but we never got rich

    2. Probably every cotton producing civilization in world history.

    3. 1820 – Democrats are supported by the plantation owners who use slaves to make cotton bales
      2020 – Democrats are supported by Apple and Disney who use slaves to make electric tchotchkes and cotton hoodies.

      Always been slaves and cotton for the DNC.

    4. Chairman Lebron James hardest hit…

    5. The owners of the Perth Wildcats basketball club?

  25. “A report from the Center of Global Policy suggests that up to half a million ethnic minorities are being forced to pick cotton in China’s Xinjiang region.”

    And no (ethnic minority of your choice) Lives Matter to stand up for them. Could we export a few (thousand? hundred thousand?) BLM and Progressive organizers and peaceful protestors to show them how it’s done, and let them find out what dissent gets you in a real tyranny?

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  27. So why would Barr resign next week, less than a month before he was due to leave office anyway? Less than a month. Who does that?

    Seems to me he wants to get out before the shit hits the fan. Maybe the head cop doesn’t want to be the one holding the bag when the cops show up. Or maybe Orange Man has been passing out cyanide capsules, and Bobbie doesn’t want to use his.

    Speculation runs wild, but resign less than a month before one leaves office is strange. Maybe it’s so Trump can pardon him for something we don’t anything about yet?

    Yeah, the two had a tiff recently for Barr not being on board the conspiracy bandwagon, but all signs point to an amicable departure. So whazzup?

    1. It is possible that he is just taking it easy. Maybe he figures that taking two weeks off for Xmas, then coming back to work for two weeks is pointless.

      1. Or maybe it has something to do with my post below?

    2. Probably so he can sip cocktails over Christmas break while laughing at the poor fools going down with the Trump ship ala John Boehner

      1. Or he knows that the worlds biggest document dump/declassification is coming at the end of the month, and wants to avoid questions about why he sat on some of the stuff.

    3. I read somewhere that Barr was involved in the transition from Bush to Clinton and hated it so much that he didn’t want to do another one.

      Maybe not a coincidence that he resigned right after the EC made it official.

      1. That’s actually pretty smart. Especially since there’s really nothing required of him there that his underlings probably haven’t already leaked to Biden’s team, anyway.

    4. Maybe the head cop doesn’t want to be the one holding the bag when the cops show up.

      Lmfao. Those Mueller indictments are still a-comin’ any time now right kiddo?

      Love watching the reason Koch suckers rally around the gun controller lifetime DOJ bureaucrat who got the FBI snipers that blew away the Weaver clan off the hook.

    5. it’s so he can get a job with a TV network

  28. So did the cop run the red light and hit the bicicalist or the the bicyclist get hit after running the red light. Eighter way I don’t feel bad. Bikers blow redlighta all the time and deserve to get hit

    1. As long as he ran the red light in order to hit the cyclists… I’m ok with it. But if he wasn’t thinking and ran it, he should be suspended. People could have been hurt.

      1. I actually saw a cop once deliberately turn on his lights because he was too fucking impatient to wait for the signal to turn green.

        1. I’ve seen that also. I used to live on a corner with a 4-way stop. Every day the cops would just cruise right on through. No lights, no nothing. Stop signs are for little people.

          1. I used to live on a corner with a 4-way stop.

            What ever happened to that refrigerator box anyway? I understand when you weren’t fucking your daughter in it you had the best $5 handies in town.

        2. There’s more than a few cops for whom that’s a perk of the job.

          1. Different jobs have different perks. Work for an airline and you get to travel for cheap or free. Work in a restaurant and you eat for cheap or free. Work in law enforcement and you can completely ignore the law since it doesn’t apply to you as long as you follow department policy.

            1. Well, this is against policy. But did it really happen if the brass doesn’t see it?

              1. Is there a specific rule that says they can’t blow through lights and run down bicyclists? If not then they didn’t do anything wrong.

                1. Running down a bicyclist is misdemeanor vandalism at most

                  1. It’s often a public service.

                    Bike messengers in particular are subhuman filth.

                2. Does the rule cover all circumstances of this incident? I believe it only stated you can’t run down a cyclist. QA confirmed.

  29. With Trump no longer living in their fevered dreams, I think it is time that Reason honestly deal with how libertarians confront existential threats such as China and Russia, given the latest revelations about how much they have been interfering in our society.

    I learned in the early 2000s to be skeptical of a government chewing at my liberties to protect me from terrorists, so I get that we should default towards freedom. But right now we have a significant, concerted effort by the Chinese to subvert our freedoms- to capture our governments, or universities, and other important institutions.

    At some point, libertarians are going to have to reckon with the fact that there are 4 major powers right now- China, Russia, the Eurozone and the US. The former two are actively hostile to personal liberty, and are actively menacing their neighbors. We cannot ignore those former two powers in the hopes that shit gets real at home.

    And mind you, I don’t think the Dems or the GOP really have an answer either. The Dems seem happy to look the other way as long as there is some money in the Chinamerica for them. The GOP has swallowed the populist pill and might care about China in so much as it keeps manufacturing jobs here at home.

    The way things are going, in the next 8 years, there is a real possibility that the US is called upon to defend Taiwan from invasion. Is the libertarian answer really going to be non-intervention? What about South Korea? Japan? Fishing grounds off the Philippines? If non-intervention is really the answer, then is there anything we can do in the near future to head off such Faustian choices?

    1. I think nonintervention is the default, mostly because “intervention” fails far more often than it succeeds.

      1. Good thing Biden won to prove you wrong, eh?

    2. America is still king.

      Russia is a known entity.

      The EU aren’t a threat; especially militarily.

      China is a paper tiger.

    3. You misspoke.
      * The former four are actively hostile to liberty

    4. I learned in the early 2000s to be skeptical of a government chewing at my liberties to protect me from terrorists

      Shutting down the entire economy to keep you safe from the coof while you hide under your couch like a pathetic pussy is cool though.

    5. Is the libertarian answer really going to be non-intervention? What about South Korea? Japan? Fishing grounds off the Philippines? If non-intervention is really the answer, then is there anything we can do in the near future to head off such Faustian choices?

      IMHO, the root trouble is that we still don’t let Japan, South Korea, and the Philippines take responsibility for their own defense, which then creates an obligation on our part to provide that defense for them.

      IOW, we are already “intervening” in the China/Korea/Japan/Philippines situation, and have been for about 120 years, with it having gotten really intimate over the last 75 years.

      So the “near future” way to avoid that is to tell Japan/Korea/Philippines to start building up their militaries and wish them good luck in the coming struggle. Trouble being, in order for any of those three to have a prayer in the coming struggle, they’ll need to unite, which is . . . not a foregone conclusion.

      Which is so much as to say that the “near future” way to avoid US involvement in the conflict is to accept that South Korea and the Philippines, at the least, will likely be under Chinese rule in the coming decades.

    6. Reason’s answer: Cave in and give them what they want.

  30. It’s nevertheless important to remember that the FDA’s approval is coming nearly two weeks after British regulators greenlighted the same vaccine

    As I’ve said before, if a 1st-world regulatory agency approves a drug, it should be considered approved by the FDA unless they can show cause to deny it.

    This would cut testing costs across the board, and can probably be done with an executive order.

    1. So could getting rid of the fda

      1. Yes, but I don’t think that will ever happen.

  31. While I can not say this was the reason for the delay in vaccines approvals, many government decision require a time for public review and comment. This is part of government transparency.

    1. “many government decision require a time for public review and comment. This is part of government transparency.”

      Not the election though. Stop asking questions and accept your new master!

      1. But the election is not the government doing something but rather the people doing something. People electing their leaders. Even then we have a lot of time built in to the process. The people voted November 3rd, the EC voted December 10th and the new President takes office on January 20th.

        1. Beat me to it. Really telling that lap83 thinks of an election as a “government decision”.

          1. Oh, so the people are the ones who count. The people are the ones disallowing any relevant audit. They are the ones claiming the only single audit that occurred showed major issues but we should trust them on all of the other votes?

            You guys say stupid crap all day. They had voting under Saddam Hussein and Chavez too. Every dictator has them. Voting means nothing if there is no verification of its integrity.

            1. This is about the fifth time I’ve asked you: please describe exactly (no hand waving) what audit you want done?

              1. This is a dead end WK. People like JA don’t want an audit they want a purge of votes. They want to go through the ballots and throw out any that are marked for Joe Biden as President.

  32. The way things are going, in the next 8 years, there is a real possibility that the US is called upon to defend Taiwan from invasion.

    It’s not really an accident that the US recently provided them with a weapons buy that was specifically designed for this purpose. That, and the fact that China is constantly stretching the boundaries of its “territories.”

    Russia’s certainly a threat, but more in the grey zone than from a Cold War standpoint, and they’re far more concerned with re-expanding their regional influence than being a world power right now. China is far more of an existential threat to this country due to the fact that it’s effectively wormed its way into the political system (the Dems more so than the Republicans, but the latter are certainly compromised there to a certain extent as well), using its money to buy off mass media, economic, and political figures solely in its own interest. chemtard’s protestations aside, it’s not “McCarthyism” to point that out.

    Our farmers, for example, should not have their livelihoods be dependent on how many soybeans China buys. And our sports leagues should not be sucking China’s cock while bitching about supposed inequities here at home.

    1. Damn threading–that was in response to Overt above.

    2. it’s not “McCarthyism” to point that out

      It should be. After all, McCarthy was right about commies in the government.

      Unfortunately the lesson of ‘McCarthyism’ has been lost in the proggie re-writes of history. The lesson should be that McCarthy let his commission get out of control and it was used it to settle personal grudges and get rid of rivals. It is properly comparable to the authoritarian fervor of the French Revolution without all the head chopping. The new narrative is that it was a modern day Salem witch trial. Which is ludicrous because witches have never existed, unlike the commies that so effectively infiltrated the bureaucracy, academia and the media.

      1. Kill all the mormons.

        Enjoy your stay in hell you evil fascist fuck.

        Please tell me if you visit!

  33. “Attorney General William Barr announced Monday that he will resign sometime before Christmas.”

    The interesting question on the Barr resignation is whether it’s over his refusal to appoint a special counsel to investigate election fraud in 2020 or whether it’s also about refusing to appoint a special counsel to investigate Hunter Biden.

    When Barr announced two weeks ago that he had appointed Durham as a special counsel back in October, the rationale was so that Durham could continue his investigation into the origins of the FBI’s Russia collusion probe regardless of whether Trump won the election. In other words, because the events at the FBI under investigation happened when Joe Biden was Vice President, from the perspective of October, if Biden won the election in November, he would be in a position to kill an investigation into his own administration’s activities, which is what appointing a special counsel is meant to prevent.

    The wrinkle here is that Barr was reluctant to appoint a special counsel to investigate Hunter Biden’s activities during the election–despite knowing about the separate cases brewing at the U.S. attorneys’ offices in Delaware and the southern district of New York. People are saying that Barr didn’t want to be accused of interfering in the election, but there’s more than one principle at stake here. From an objective standpoint, Barr probably didn’t want to act like Comey and the FBI did during the election of 2016, when, effectively, the Justice Department was investigating the Trump campaign. That was wrong, and Barr can’t be accused of that hypocrisy here.

    Now that the election is over, and it’s clear that there will be a huge conflict of interest in Joe Biden’s Justice Department investigating Joe Biden’s son for influence peddling on behalf of his father, the same logic that applied to appointing Durham as a special counsel to investigate the origins of the FBI’s Russia collusion probe should apply to the case of Hunter Biden. A special counsel should take over the cases at the U.S. attorneys’ offices. Any concerns about being accused of blowing this story up to interfere with the election are over, and there is a clear conflict of interest in the incoming Biden administration investigating itself for corruption.

    Barr’s resignation date may be telling. You know how you’re supposed to release bad news on Friday because hardly anyone is paying attention to the news over the weekend and by Monday, it’s already old news? Well December 24th, 2020 is like the ultimate Friday. By the time most people hear the news of a special counsel being appointed to investigate Hunter Biden, it’ll be sometime in early January, and by then the lede will be all about Biden’s inauguration and legislative agenda in his first 100 days. Hardly anyone will be talking about how Hunter Biden is under investigation by a special counsel or that if Hunter Biden doesn’t faithfully subject his financial dealings to the full scrutiny of a special counsel, who is independent of his father, the president, he could be facing obstruction and perjury charges.

    1. An investigation into the son of the President is rife for corruption. Biden should pardon him ASAP and save the taxpayers $100 million. Better yet, Trump should pardon him along with his own kids.

      1. Normally, you’d expect the president to be reluctant to pardon someone like that early because he wants to be reelected, but I don’t think Biden intends to run again in 2024 anyway, so . . . maybe that’s a good idea for him!

        1. Biden needs to pardon him early. He could die and he would be a fool to think Harris is going to look out for the Biden family. She will need to distance herself from that crack-smoker ASAP.

          1. I’m waiting for Biden to ask if he can pardon himself and all of the proggy retards saying it’s a serious question

          2. Rather be a crackhead than a pedo con artist worshipper.

            Even crackheads have more sense than Mormons.

            Please tell me if you visit!

          3. I’m reading all this and LOL, because…it’s true! I would get such a kick out of this, it’d be worth Biden’s having been elected, just for the big “fuck you, world” effect. It would destroy respect for government, democracy, whatever…for generations to come. It’d be like President Luthor!!

      2. Biden should kill Romney, Lee, and all the other traitor mormons congress.

    2. The wrinkle here is that Barr was reluctant to appoint a special counsel to investigate Hunter Biden’s activities during the election

      Or much more likely Barr (like the Wall St Journal) found nothing on Hunter Biden and you nutjobs are making all this up because that is what you do.

      1. Nope and once again you’re a lying sack of shit.

        But I do expect a Biteme AG to tank any investigations and Biteme will give blanket pardons to family and friends.

        That’s real corruption shreeky.

      2. PHAKE SKANDULLL!!!!!!! Right shreeky?

        But those Mueller indictments are a-comin’ any day now!

        By the way, remember when you posted child porn and got banned from this website for being a sick pedophile? That was funny. That was a couple years after you welched on your bet.

        1. People forget that back in 2008, the mainstream press was worried about Hunter Biden’s shenanigans bringing down Barack Obama’s candidacy.

          A son of Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden was paid an undisclosed amount of money as a consultant by MBNA, the largest employer in Delaware, during the years the senator supported legislation that was promoted by the credit card industry and opposed by consumer groups.

          MBNA’s consulting payments to Hunter Biden, first reported by The New York Times, followed his departure in 2001 from the company, where he had been an executive . . . . At the time Hunter Biden was receiving consulting payments from MBNA, he also was a Washington lobbyist at a firm he had co-founded.

          . . . .

          MBNA employees have poured more than $200,000 into Biden’s Senate campaigns over the past two decades, making donors working for the credit card company the senator’s largest source of campaign money.

          —-CBS News, August 25, 2008

          https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mbna-paid-bidens-son-as-biden-backed-bill/

          As they say in sexual harassment cases, it’s also the pattern of behavior here that’s disturbing. They’ve been doing this influence peddling thing for a very long time. Even Hunter Biden working at MBNA way back when is suspicious given everything that’s come to light since then. People have been hiring off politicians’ kids as a form of bribery since the days of the Roman republic. I see you have some legislation pending, and that’s interesting because I have a son who needs a job. Any chance you need a compliance officer?

          1. The press should’ve relaxed given McCain’s campaign manager was Steve Schmidt.

    3. Ken, I believe Mr. Durham has all the authority he needs to investigate Horndog Hunter and Brain-dead Biden. Any illegality he uncovers as a result of investigating the 2016 election is fair game.

      I am fine with a Special Counsel (or two) hobbling a Biden presidency. In fact, I am hoping that is exactly what happens. Everything that POTUS Trump had to contend with, a POTUS Biden will now have to contend with.

      Brain-dead Biden will be impeached.

      1. “Brain-dead Biden will be impeached.”

        Realistically, the Democrats control the House, so he won’t be impeached.

        1. Don’t we still have a couple of races pending that are supposed to go Republican?

          It’ll be a tight margin, and the results may not come out until after the midterms in 2020.

          1. Do you mean for the Senate?

            1. No.

              Tightest margin in the House in a long time, and last I heard (a week ago?), the Democrats were about to sue to overturn two outstanding House races that flipped Republican–one of them in upstate New York.

              I’ll look it up.

              1. Don’t know why it posted that twice!

                Anyway, here’s the one where the Democrats refuse to accept that a Republican won in upstate New York:

                https://www.syracuse.com/politics/2020/12/new-challenges-raised-to-67-ballots-in-undecided-brindisi-tenney-house-race.html

                  1. Conclusion:

                    If I’m counting correctly, when the new House seats (and if the Republican seat in upstate New York isn’t overturned by the courts in New York, then there will be 222 Democrats vs. 213 Republicans–a separation of nine votes.

                    That’s compared to the last Congress, when the Democrats had 233 seats and the Republicans had 195–with with 38 seats setting them apart.

                    It’s just not as wide of a margin as it used to be. Trump may have lost by a percentage point in a few states, but the House Democrats got their asses handed to them all over the country–including in southern California and in New York.

                    It’s not hard to imagine ten out of a hundred crossing the aisle if an special counsel uncovers evidence of serious wrongdoing, but the case probably wouldn’t be put before the House until after the 2022 midterms–and in the opposition party almost always kicks ass in a new president’s first midterm, with 1994, 2010, and 2018 all being excellent examples. 2002 is a bit of an outlier because it was after 9/11 but before we invaded Iraq. People were rallying behind Bush at the time. Unless something like that happens to Biden, the Republicans will almost certainly take the House come 2022.

                    1. “It’s not hard to imagine ten out of a hundred crossing the aisle if an special counsel uncovers evidence of serious wrongdoing”

                      With 222 Democrats and 213 Republicans in the House, Pelosi will only be able to lose 4 Democrat votes to prevail on each floor vote (without any Republican support). If a fifth Democrat bolts Pelosi, she loses the vote.

                      This is also why Biden won’t appoint any more House Dems to his administration.

              2. Don’t know why it posted that twice!

                Anyway, here’s the one where the Democrats refuse to accept that a Republican won in upstate New York:

                https://www.syracuse.com/politics/2020/12/new-challenges-raised-to-67-ballots-in-undecided-brindisi-tenney-house-race.html

              3. Didn’t know about that. But if they succeed wouldn’t that move the Democrat’s margin from 11 to 13 more seats than the Republicans?

                1. As I said above, there will only be nine votes separating the Democrats and the Republicans.

                  In 1998, 31 Democrats voted to impeach Bill Clinton.

                  https://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/10/08/impeachment.advancer/

                  Whatever else TDS was, it was also abnormal.

                  1. I must have been looking at the current membership of the House, not the membership that will be in place next year. Question still stands, though: wouldn’t the efforts you link to move the margin from 9 to 11?

            2. No.

              Tightest margin in the House in a long time, and last I heard (a week ago?), the Democrats were about to sue to overturn two outstanding House races that flipped Republican–one of them in upstate New York.

              I’ll look it up.

        2. 2023 is not so far away, dimwit. Team D will lose the House.

  34. Where is all the follow up false equivalence on the ‘white supremacist’ violence in the nations capitol today? If you don’t continue to flog the narrative that the Proud Boys are every bit the equal and opposite of the Antifa and BLM movements, people may start to question if they are serious about violent revolution that forced so many states’ EC votes into hiding.

    Did they get Gretchen Whitmer? Is DC on fire today? Or did these protesters have to get home so they could go to their jobs Monday morning?

    1. Remember when Obama or either George Bush fans attacked several black churches in one single night?

      Me neither.

      1. and by “attacked” you mean “took down some political banners”.

        1. That were not their property, nor on their property.

          1. It was wrong to take signs that don’t belong to them. Pretending they vandalized a church because of it is still dishonest.

            1. Oh, but you’re OK with people making guilt by association generalizations about “BLM/antifa”, as if that is a concrete entity.

          2. Taking down statues = good.

            Taking down signs = bad.

            Got it. Consistency is high.

        2. Apologizing for 21st century Brownshirts is not a good look.

          1. Is this a serious comments after the 3 months of rage by the left over the summer?

            1. I don’t know where you attended kindergarten, but mine taught two wrongs don’t make a right.

    2. How is it a false equivalence? Antifa and violent right-wing groups such as the Proud Boys are pretty much mirror images of each other.

      1. How many buildings have the proud boys destroyed? Where is the proud boys autonomous zone, where people no longer have property right?

        Oh that’s right, you’re one of those “libertarians” that isn’t concerned with property rights.

        1. “Where is the proud boys autonomous zone”

          Anywhere north of, and including, Emmett, Idaho? The state of Mississippi?

          Are we like keeping a count of heinous acts, and we can only see similarity between left-wing and right-wing goons of their body count is within 5%?

          1. I won’t even ask for 10 milliion in damages you can point to.

            How about 100k. Where did proud boys commit 100k damage?

            1. Is that our standard for whether somebody qualifies as a partisan goon? Anything less and they are just mischievous?

      2. Antifa and violent right-wing groups such as the Proud Boys are pretty much mirror images of each other.

        I believe that you believe this. You are really that stupid.

        1. How many people has Antifa killed? 1

          How many people have far right terrorists killed?
          Mcveigh alone got 168.

          I wish he’d chosen a federal building in Utah.

          To be fair to Chuck he’s a complete fucking moron. Anyone who believes what is church believes is beyond help.

          Please tell me if you visit!

    3. Of course the bigoted Mormon would stick up for white supremacists.

      BYU! Good at sports since 1978!

      Racist, fascist waste of life!

      Please tell me if you visit!

    1. PHAKE SKANDULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!11111!!!!111!!!!!!!!!!!

    2. The Reason blog isn’t a newspaper.

  35. I tried to post about the former Overstock CEO claim about the Hillary Clinton bribe, but it says the comment is awaiting moderation. Yes the comment section with more trolls and spambots then regular commenters gets moderated if you write about the wrong thing, now.

    Well, Reason may not do real journalism anymore…but at least their intentions are good!

    1. Comments that contain more than one weblink are always flagged, and never approved, by the moderator.

      Several weeks ago, I posted a comment with one weblink, and the same thing happened. After I removed the weblink and reposted, it appeared immediately. Not sure what happened there.

      1. I don’t think there is any evidence that there is ever a human moderator for this Reason comments.

        1. Except when Reason started blocking links to the Hunter story just before the election.
          Don’t pretend that you don’t remember that.

          1. Actually, I wasn’t aware of Reason doing that. And I don’t believe you.

    2. How many links did you have in the post? 2 will get you stuck no matter what.

    3. Does your post have multiple links?

      1. No, just had one. But Nardz was able to do it. So I don’t know

    4. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1338757763464359941.html

      BREAKING: @PatrickByrne, former CEO of Overstock.com, claims that he was complicit in facilitating a bribe for Hillary Clinton in the amount of $18M [on behalf of the FBI] in January, 2016. The bribe, which she accepted, was then going to be used by members of the Obama
      2/ administration against Hillary after she was elected. As it was later explained to him, “President Obama has his people across the federal bureaucracy at this point, but especially at the Department of Justice. Hillary Clinton is going to be President for 8 years and nothing
      3/ is going to change that, but think of there being a Bunsen burner within the DOJ. That evidence about the [2] bribes you were a part of gathering is going to be sitting on the Bunsen burner. The hand sitting on the burner is going to be one of Barack Obama’s people.
      4/ If Hillary is a “good girl” and defends Obamacare, that flame stays low. If she’s a “bad girl” and thinks for herself, that flame is going to get turned up high. That way Barack Obama is going to manage Hillary Clinton for the 8 years she’s President, and then
      5/ when she steps down, Michelle is going to run.” Claims it was called “Operation Snowglobe” [dubbed by Obama + Brennan] so that once Hillary stepped into it, they would be able to “shake her up” at any time during her Presidency, if needed. Says that Durham and Barr were aware
      6/ of it.

      Byrne stated there was an additional Hillary bribe prior to the one listed above, which was in the amount of $20M [involving the country of Turkey] and occurred in the fall, 2015.

      This shocking claim was made in an interview with @annvandersteel.

  36. Liberaltarians complaining about not getting enough government support. Well you’re be gettting democrat anal probes next year which I gather will be popular with this crowd.

  37. A report from the Center of Global Policy suggests that up to half a million ethnic minorities are being forced to pick cotton in China’s Xinjiang region.

    *ahem*

    Field Uyghurs.

    That is all.

    1. *ahem*

      Field Uyghurs.

      ‘Ui·​ghur | \ ˈwē-ˌgu̇r’

      That is unfortunate for the race baiting lefties who think China has the right ideas.

      1. I am having a hard time finding any statement from any US politician that endorses chinese government. Would you link it?

        1. Have you tried Eric Swalwell (D)?

          1. Still looking…nothing.

            It is strange how concerned you all are (Trumpists, not Canadians) about a jr. congressman, vs an entire presidential campaign and subsequent administration, though.

            Still have not heard anything from Trump about Putin’s Russia getting caught hacking us, again. Nor on those bounties. Trump is far less reserved with his words, usually. Odd.

        2. As noted many times before, your reading comprehension is lacking. I was implying that the Antifa/BLM crowd will never notice that the correct pronunciation rhymes with ‘nigger’. What a lost opportunity for the Wokistanians.

          Way to ruin my observation, dipshit.

          1. Chuck is racist and bigoted like all Mormons are. Why couldn’t blacks join your church before 1978?
            Why do you worship a pedo con artist?

            Please tell me if you visit!

            1. Everything KillMyselfRedneck posts about Mormons reads like it was taken from a wikipedia page. You are not fooling anybody.

      2. China should enslave mormons. Maybe then they’d be good for something other than destroying America.

        Please tell me if you visit!

    2. The house Uyghurs are the sell outs.

  38. Republican senators are coming around to the idea that Joe Biden might have won the 2020 presidential election following his victory in Monday’s Electoral College vote.

    If only they would’ve listened to the establishment media instead of believing their own lying eyes, then all this unpleasantness could have been avoided.

  39. It appears that many communities, counties and states may be close to achieving herd immunity from covid (without any vaccine).
    https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/new-cases-50-states

    After rapidly increasing during the past month, the rate for new covid cases (i.e. the past seven days) has significantly declined in many states in the midwest, prairies and Rocky Mountains (indicated by dark blue).

    The positive covid case rate has already exceeded 11% in ND, 10% in SD, 8% in IA and WI, and 7% in UT and NE. Twenty one states have surpassed 6%, and the US average has surpassed 5%.

    Previously published studies have found that 3 – 10 times more Americans have been infected with covid (than have tested positive for covid), and herd immunity will likely be achieved if/when 70% of people have been infected (and/or vaccinated).

    1. According to data at
      https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/us-map
      counties in the US with the highest covid case rates are:
      Crowley, CO – 24.8%
      Norton, KS – 21.0%
      Bon Homme, SD – 20.4%
      Chattahoochee, GA – 20.0%
      Dewey, SD – 19.8%
      Lincoln, AR – 19.9%
      Buffalo, SD – 19.7%
      Trousdale, TN – 18.3%

      It appears that these counties likely will be among those first to achieve herd immunity.

      But of course, left wing health agency officials, media outlets, Democrats and many Republicans have and will continue to claim that herd immunity will be only achieved via vaccines.

    2. You can extrapolate that from death toll as well. We know roughly how deadly the virus is and how many people have died from it, pretty basic math would tell you that 200+ million people must’ve contracted it for the death toll to make sense.

      Basically everyone in the country has either had it or knows someone who has, but I bet if you conducted a survey a lot of people wouldn’t realize it.

      1. Deaths have no impact on herd immunity or the spread of the virus.

        1. Sure they do, every person who dies is one less person who can contract the virus and spread it to someone else.

          1. Herd immunity is entirely dependent upon the infection rate, not the mortality rate.

            Herd immunity is likely to be attained after 70% of people have been infected (or vaccinated), regardless of whether the mortality rate is 0.01% or 25%.

            There has been a lot of misinformation by government health agencies, left wing media and Big Pharma about herd immunity because the history of infectious disease epidemiology conflicts with their public policy goals.

            For disclosure, I spent five years in graduate school studying epidemiology and public health policy, and I worked for the Allegheny County Health Dept.

        2. If that were the case the Chinese would be immune to socialism

    3. all of which will serve to prove that the vaccine is working!
      and should therefore be required….

  40. Nancy Kozikowski is Tulpa’s latest sock.

    1. Dammit. You’re right.

  41. great, parking minimums reduced. housing gets very slightly cheaper, but you’ve got nowhere to park.

    1. I’ve seen how this ends up. In California, apartment complexes have one assigned parking spot per two bedroom apartment. Then two couples move in (since rent is so high) with 4 cars and have to park 3 on the street, and if you have to go somewhere you have nowhere to park when you get back.

  42. A report from the Center of Global Policy suggests that up to half a million ethnic minorities are being forced to pick cotton in China’s Xinjiang region.

    It’s a “Quick Hit” but is Reason finally acknowledging something fucky might be going on with the Uighurs?

    1. Yes.

      1. Piss off, I never asked you.
        You’re a proven shill for the magazine. Why the fuck should we expect your opinion would be anything other than Reason PR.

    2. Where have you been? Reason’s been reporting on this for awhile.

      For example: https://reason.com/video/2019/08/27/uighurs-china/

      Try searching “uighur” on the site.

  43. Tabarrok’s argument is both on-face true in its general claim (the longer it takes to get the vaccine out, the more people will die), but obviously false both on specifics and on the argument he makes to reach that conclusion.

    1. More people are obviously going to die without a vaccine, because getting vaccinated removes vulnerable people from the susceptible population – that not only protects those people, but it protects anyone who might have caught it from them had they caught covid-19.

    2. Death rate is not a constant. Pandemics wax and wane, and ultimately burn out. It’s not going to kill 2000/day until the entire population is dead. It really depends on when the vaccine becomes available relative to when the pandemic burns itself out. And while it looks like we aren’t at the end of the pandemic quite yet (so a vaccine could have saved some people), we’re likely within 6 months of it ending naturally anyway. That’s enough time for a vaccine to do some good, but probably not enough time to vaccinate the *whole* population.

    3. It’s not going to prevent 2000 deaths a day immediately. He’s completely ignoring logistics – it’ll probably take a week or more (up to a month) to deploy the 30 million doses they do have, and that’s just 30 million doses in a country of ~330 million, much less a world of billions. Producing a vaccine takes time – i presume pfizer hasn’t been sitting idle since the UK approved the vaccine weeks ago.

    4. Not everyone who gets vaccinated would have caught covid-19, or died from catching covid-19. Some of those deaths per day were going to be people who would not have gotten a vaccine in time.

    5. Vaccination is likely not going to take into account whether you’ve already had Covid or not (especially since there’s so many asymptomatic cases) – some people who get those 30 million doses will already have resistance or immunity naturally. Those are people who weren’t going to die of Covid-19 regardless.

    6. My quick back of the napkin calculation suggests 30 million vaccinated people will prevent at most ~25,000 deaths. (I’m not accounting for the benefit of reduction in spread, but at ~8-9% of the population, that’s going to be moderate. I’m also not accounting for vaccinating people who are already resistant or immune, which would reduce the beneficial effects substantially. Targeting could either increase or decrease that number, depending on what targets are used, and how target priorities overlap with differences in potential target group exposure pre-vaccine to covid-19 (and thus pre-vaccine immunity prevalence). For a back of the napkin calculation, i’m simply assuming all these things roughly cancel.)

  44. It’s one thing to argue that there should be no permission required to sell vaccines or other drugs. It’s another to skip over that argument and just bitch that the permitting job is taking too long. I mean, if you’re going to stick government with the job of evaluating these things and making their legal marketing contingent, do you want them to do a rush job at it?

    1. I mean, like, we could abolish government schools. Or…since that goal seems out of reach…we could instead cut the total hours of schooling in half, leaving it to the administrators to decide what to cut out. Hey, it’d get us halfway to our ideal, right?

  45. Who knows what other types of super animals we might be getting if regulators weren’t so busy dragging their feet (or hooves).

    How do you know they’re dragging their feet?

    Really, the question is, who knows what other types of super products we might be getting if nothing required government permission?

  46. Yes. Let’s take medical advice from an economist.

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