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Rapid Home COVID-19 Tests Are the Best Path to a New Normal. They're Illegal.

Delivering rapid at-home testing kits to 330 million Americans is "something we can actually do at warp speed."

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COVID-19 diagnostic testing has been greatly scaled up from a few thousand tests per week back in early March to 2 million tests per week in early August. But the summer upsurge in COVID-19 diagnoses, hospitalizations, and deaths in the U.S. highlights the fact that we still don't have enough testing to provide individual Americans and health care professionals with the information needed to squelch the pandemic.

A huge part of the problem is that most asymptomatic, presymptomatic, and mildly afflicted people don't know they're infected, even as they spread the virus to others while working, shopping, and gathering in enclosed spaces such as bars and restaurants. Making cheap, fast tests available for use at workplaces, schools, and homes could solve this information deficit problem. "The way forward is not a perfect test," Harvard medical professor Ashish Jha argued in Time, "but one offering rapid results."

The good news is that a number of companies, including biotech startup E25Bio, diagnostics maker OraSure, and the 3M Co., are working on and could quickly deploy rapid at-home COVID-19 diagnostic tests. These antigen tests work by detecting, within minutes, the presence of coronavirus proteins using specific antibodies embedded on a paper test strip coated with nasal swab samples or saliva. Somewhat like at-home pregnancy tests, the antigen tests change color or reveal lines if COVID-19 proteins are recognized.

But there is one major problem. "Everyone says, 'Why aren't you doing this already?' My answer is, 'It is illegal to do this right now,'" Harvard epidemiologist Michael Mina told The Harvard Gazette in August. "Until the regulatory landscape changes, those companies have no reason to bring a product to market."

It took Food and Drug Administration regulators until July to finally issue the agency's template for approving tests that "can be performed entirely at home or in other settings besides a lab" and without a prescription.

It would cost around $20 billion to provide 330 million Americans with rapid at-home test kits costing $1 each for weekly use. Given that the federal government has already borrowed $3 trillion in response to the pandemic and appears interested in borrowing trillions more, that would be a real bargain. Such a testing regime "will stop the vast majority of transmission and it will cause these outbreaks to disappear in a matter of weeks," Mina said. "This is something we can actually do at warp speed."

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  3. Hasn’t the FDA also ruled that various aspects of the 23 and Me-style home DNA testing is barred as well, that you have no right to know your own medical history or condition? It seems the FDA is one of the strongest proponents of the “everything that is not expressly permitted is prohibited” school of government.

    1. The FDA relaxed DNA testing restrictions to allow health-related gene testing again.

      1. Praise be to our benevolent and generous overlords! They’ve allowed us some amount of freedom! I am literally weeping tears of joy at their magnanimity.

        1. They were protecting you. You couldn’t understand the results, but now you can.

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        2. And we all need to get used to saying “Praise Be”, with Barrett joining the Court.

    2. It’s not them, it’s Congress. The statute says a FDA license is required to market such things in interstate commerce, and the states all require a similar license for any such thing FDA has not licensed. FDA is not allowed to simply say, all licenses are hereby issued, they have to act on individual applications or rule similarly individually in cases on their own.

    3. You can get a detailed genomic health analysis of your raw 23andme data at promethease.com for like $10. If you leave your data on the site, you can keep updating the results vs. the ever expanding SNPedia genomic wiki.

      I’ve done it for years.

      However, they removed the most useful aspect of it – the DNA analysis for the SNPs related to your enzymes for drug metabolism.

      Why remove the most useful part of the analysis? Because 23andMe applied for FDA approval to do it. And got it. Is Promethease worried about patents? Or just getting shut down by the FDA for “practicing medicine without a license”? Don’t know. All I know is that very useful medical information about drug metabolism is now no longer available for next to free because We’re The Government and We’re Here to Help.

      The best part is that 23andMe *declined* to offer a product with the analysis. So instead of just having to submit to a medical mafia shakedown, you can’t get the results at any price.

      The FDA should be launched into the sun.

  4. Someone apparently hasn’t told the FDA about “The perfect is the enemy of the good”.

    1. Ron Bailey too. Bailey is one of those scared pussies who refuses to acknowledge that hiding from this virus just prolongs it affecting people.

      I will never take the Kungflu test and I dont care if I ever had it or didn’t. I dont wear a mask and don’t change my life in any way to cater to hysterical pussies like Bailey.

      1. Now that Flu and cold season has begun, watch Lefty liars count those deaths and hospitalizations under Wuhanvirus counts.

        VOTE TRUMP to end this Lefty nonsense.

        1. Remember when you guaranteed us covid would kill fewer people this year than the seasonal flu?

          1. Inflated numbers are inflated.
            Let’s hope it gets you though.

            1. Funny about that “inflated” bit. Most sources agree that COVID deaths are inflated by deaths WITH the virus and should be lowered to only be deaths FROM the virus. But most sources also agree that measuring excess deaths compared to a “normal” year exceeds the inflated COVID deaths, even allowing for maximal flu deaths (which vary every year).

              In other words, all COVID stats are unreliable, including yours and Bailey’s. But you only harp on Bailey’s by quoting your own.

              Funny how partisans throw nonsense around instead of honest arguments.

              1. Because they are not interested in the truth. They are interested in their side winning.

          2. It did.

            1,119,000 deaths while Kungflu infected globally.

            2,000,000+ deaths from Flu and Colds globally.

            1. Kungflu didnt kill 1,119,000 people. They died from various things and happened to have Wuhanvirus.

              1. 100% on target. Follow the money.

      2. Entirely lacking in the article – the false positive rate on the tests.

        I think the NFL had about a 3% FP rate on their testing for players. Multiply that by 300million people, every week. I’m not against testing, but the medical #DeepState is so incompetent at using the information they’d have millions of false positives in hospitals with universal testing.

        God how I hate them.

        If only there were some libertarian magazine somewhere advocating for our right to purchase medicine and medical advice from whomever we damn well please, instead of simply shilling for the government enable rent seeking medical mafia.

        1. +1

          “shilling for the government enable rent seeking medical mafia.”

          Is way more accurate than “free minds and free markets.”

          1. And entirely of a piece with their shilling for government enabled social media.

            Libertarians my ass.

    2. Oh no, the perfect is no enemy: just a poor substitute when it exists only by i-deal.

  5. Or we could you know, just go back to actual normal, and tell any asshole that says we have a ‘new normal’ from now till eternity to get fucked.

    1. I’ll drink to that.

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  7. It took Food and Drug Administration regulators until July to finally issue the agency’s template for approving tests that “can be performed entirely at home or in other settings besides a lab” and without a prescription.

    Odd that lockdowns, a heretofore untested response to an epidemic, are essentially a wide-spread clinical trial and yet the FDA never approved such a test and – it seems to me – has resulted in such unacceptable side effects that the FDA is criminally negligent in allowing the trial to continue. Where’s the lawyers? Can we sue the FDA for not barring the lockdowns as an unapproved clinical trial involving humans?

    1. I like it.

      Let us know the GoFundMe link to your lawsuit. I’ll chip in.

    2. This is actually brilliant. Sic a fucking IRB on the bastards.

    3. It’s not a food, drug, device, or cosmetic. Just doin’ shit ain’t their beat.

  8. But then how can you use the fear of the virus to continue shutting down business hurting the economy for political gain against the incumbent. Also can’t let the crisis go to waste when another approximately 2 trillion of spending is on the line.

    Silly article, thinks politicians want such a thing.

  9. What? Promote a test that would allow people to people to take responsibility for themselves? Now, who would oppose that? Let’s see:

    The government
    The medical establishment
    Financial and political investors in the medical establishment
    Medical bureaucrats in government
    At least one major political party
    Karens and sheeple everywhere

    1. IOW, anyone who has a vested interest in this shitty “new normal” and morons. Sadly, that’s probably a large majority.

      1. Like my kid’s pediatrician. Our son is required to wear a mask the entire time he in school. He has asthma and wearing a mask is difficult for him. If he tries to remove it, albeit briefly, to breathe or due to other discomfort, he is screamed at by his teachers.

        We took out son to his doctor who has treated him for asthma since early childhood, hoping that she would understand and write some type of note that would allow him to remove his mask periodically without being screamed at by his teachers. Her response was that we have to get used to the “new normal,” that she has a medical degree and we don’t, that kids in Asia wear masks from early childhood and that they cry when people attempt to remove their mask, and how our son should take medication if his asthma is a problem. And, by the way, the rash on his face is just “mask dermatitis” which is something we will all have to get used to in the “new normal,” or at least until we have a vaccine.

        We’re changing doctors, of course, but this type of reasoning from a “medical professional” is frightening.

  10. “Such a testing regime “will stop the vast majority of transmission and it will cause these outbreaks to disappear in a matter of weeks,” Mina said. ”

    Only if people actually do the testing correctly, and also if they then report the results to the government, go get treatment, and self quarantine. I presume.

    As with cloth face coverings, I must ask “why only for the Communist Chinese Virus?”
    No one has ever suggested this type of nationwide panic for any other virus, or any other disease. WHAT is so magic about this one, at this time, from a medical science point? I understand the fascists calculated now was the time to strike, using this as an excuse, but really! It is just a damn virus.
    Most people will not get it. Of the few that do, most will recover. Just like every other virus.

    Set my people free

    1. Set my people free

      Were you sent by he who is called I am? If not I don’t think the fascists will care. And even then it’ll probably take another 10 plagues like situation to get them to start to care.

    2. what is different is that this virus is very contagious and there is zero distributed immunity. the concern always has been and always will be too many people getting sick at the same time and the hospitals not having capacity for the severe cases. eventually, there will be enough distributed immunity and that will no longer be a concern. the difference is that the disease is novel, or new…… talking about it not being “different” is a straw man that misses the point. the goal has always been to get to that distributed immunity level required for normality, either through spread or vaccine, without having too many people sick with it at the same time.

      while all actions should be voluntary, wearing a face covering should be a small thing to chose to do and understand the purpose of.

      1. Fuck you. It doesn’t do a Goddamned thing. Other than serve as a visible symbol justifying more of these tyrannical restrictions.

        If you’re sick, stay home. If you’re not, then get back to doing what you used to do.

        1. The problem is without in-home testing there’s almost no way to know you are sick, so you think you aren’t and don’t stay home only to find out (if you actually develop symptoms) that you’ve been sick and contagious for up to a week while while you were out and about doing what you used to do

          1. testing once a week is pointless. need to test every day. maybe twice.

        2. fuck you, you are a retard. this is something that spreads through your breath….. exhaling and inhaling it. if you think covering your mouth does “nothing,” then you are a retard. i can respect if you don’t want to do it, i can respect if you don’t want someone to be able to tell you to do it. but if you try to say that masks do absolutely nothing, you can STFU. just own that you are selfish and don’t want to, don’t try to pretend your stupidity makes you superior.

          and while we are at it, jack-ass, the point of this article that you are all reflexively attacking over, is that this is a tool that can let us end all the tyrannical restrictions. the thing being promoted here is removing the regulations that require these kind of tests be administered by a healthcare worker. getting rid of the regulations would not only give people a tool to end the other restrictions, while stripping the healthcare workers from having the data to scare you with……. you are literally the ones supporting giving the government the data and the excuses for the tyranny, all because you want to reject the notion that you might want to do something other than nothing.

      2. What about banning all medium and large scale gatherings. That’s not voluntary. And are you seriously still trying to sell the “flattening the curve” bullshit? We all figured out that was a lie by mid-Spring.

        1. the only thing that was clear by mid-spring is how stupid people like you are…… and, did i say we should ban anything? did i not, very explicitly, say that all actions should be voluntary? not agreeing with mandates and forced action does not mean you must reject common fucking sense. the more people get sick at once, the more likely we are to exceed our healthcare capacity…… this is not rocket science, it is common sense. that you don’t agree with the government reaction to the facts does not change the facts themselves.

      3. This is BS… “zero distributed immunity.”

    3. Guess what, there is a small but growing minority of people who say that since other potentially fatal communicable diseases (e.g. seasonal flu) are still a thing, we should make masks and social distancing permanent. We need to end this shit now.

    4. “Only if people actually do the testing correctly, and also if they then report the results to the government, go get treatment, and self quarantine. I presume.”

      What does “reporting it to the government ” have to do with testing’s efficacy in reducing spread?

  11. “A huge part of the problem is that most asymptomatic, presymptomatic, and mildly afflicted people don’t know they’re infected, even as they spread the virus to others while working, shopping, and gathering in enclosed spaces such as bars and restaurants.”

    Assuming facts not in evidence.

    1. Shhhhh. This Bailey’s narrative, not yours.

  12. It would cost around $20 billion to provide 330 million Americans with rapid at-home test kits costing $1 each for weekly use. Given that the federal government has already borrowed $3 trillion in response to the pandemic and appears interested in borrowing trillions more, that would be a real bargain.

    This is the old anti-libertarian argument that the government already spends lots of money, so it’s fine for them to spend more on the thing I like.

    1. How about a manned mission to Mars then?

    2. The government doesn’t have to provide any money or tests, just stop banning them and people who give a damn can buy them.

      You know, freely.

  13. Weekly? We need hourly tests. But, fear not, Joe Biden has a magic formula in his basement that will create an instant 100% successful vaccine to be available ten minutes after the Electoral College certifies his victory. Or, failing that, military-supported quarantine until this virus surrenders.

    1. sorry, California will require independent confirmation that the vaccine works

  14. This is another failure of the Trump presidency. Stephen Hahn, who heads the FDA, is a Trump appointee. The FDA can change the regulation. It’s not a Congressional regulation keeping him from doing it. You have the guy Trump listens to, Scott Atlas, saying widespread testing is “grossly misguided.”

    And in that same interview you cite, Mina said there were 2 reasons rapid testing hasn’t been deployed: FDA staying mum on changing any regulations AND resources. “What’s needed, he said, is the federal government’s financial and organizational clout to both provide resources and get companies working together.” Fat chance when you have a President pushing herd immunity, not testing.

    By the way, back in Sept., Mina said this:

    “And so if we are if we go into this fall with 40,000 cases a day still infecting individuals and that is again identified cases, the actual number might be an order of magnitude higher. We run the risk of having uncontrollable outbreaks once people really start, once we get into this sort of seasonal attack that normally shows up.”

    By the end of this week we will be at about 70,000. We’re heading to very bad spot. It’s not even November.

    1. You omitted the part in the analysis where we all die and the world ends.

    2. All those cases amount to not much when they are not backed by deaths/hospitalizations. Right now the entire country is at less than 5 deaths per million down from the spring time peak of 35. So nearly an order of magnitude. The relationship of cases to deaths is just not where it was in April, not even close. So all the hand wringing about cases is nonsense. In Europe the results are similar if not more stark.

      It is properly a Casedemic now…same as H1N1. Two years of furious testing in 09 and 10 resulting in way more cases than when it hit in 08 with very few deaths. Same crap is going on here.

      1. You have that right. I’ll question the death numbers forever. They are not counting deaths because of COVID, they are counting deaths “with COVID”. Big difference. They are not even testing the dead to see if they had COVID, they are basing it off of a list of symptoms. Several other things that cause death also have those symptoms. As I’ve mentioned before a friend’s son was killed in a motorcycle accident last July. When the family got the death certificate the cause was “Traumatic head injury with COVID”. That pretty much says it all.

        1. And the fact that if a hospital writes “COVID” on a form, they get a lot more money than if they write “heart attack”.

          1. The doctor writes the form and report to the CDC. Not “the hospital” whomever that is. The doctor does not get a dime more and has no interest in falsification which is a potential liability.

            You have no idea how this works.

            1. Bullshit. Getting a 15 percent added surcharge for a COVID diagnosis on the reimbursement from Medicaid is the definition of financial conflict of interest.

              If you think doctors, PAs, and other medical professionals are somehow ignorant of that, or immune from any bias due to it, you’re likely silly enough to believe the rest of the PPACA promises.

        2. No that is not how a death certificate works. For some reason I can’t link, The doctor lists out the primary immediate cause of death. Say you come in with bacterial pneumonia, leading to renal failure and cardiac overload, leading to acute respiratory distress, sepsis, and pulmonary edema, leading to total cardiac failure.

          That is a pretty typical scenario. So the immediate cause of death may be listed as cardiac failure. Then below that you list all of the other things which directly led to or caused the other complications.

          Other contributing or co morbid conditions, say hypertension are listed separately. If you can google it the CDC has instructions for how to fill out the form.

          In the case of COVID it would be pretty much the same as a bacterial pneumonia. It would likely be the presenting pathology eventually resulting in death. Exactly what criteria they use for counting an official case of COVID death I do not know. If you look at a basic common scenario the patient died due to pneumonia with subsequent complications.

          There is no attempt here to mislead the public. I simply do not believe that and I am medical.

      2. Hospitalizations are a lagging indicator to positive tests. Deaths are a lagging indicator to both positive tests and hospitalizations. Two of the three are rising precipitously. The third will follow, like a Tuesday always follows a Monday.

        Hospitalizations are rising in 39 states. 16 of them are at or near their all-time peak. Try your best to not be a frog in boiling water, eh?

        https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-hospitalizations-increasing-abc7e1f7-51b1-4b5c-a2e8-ab55685ac522.html

        1. Georgia has been open for business this entire time. Schools are open.

          No masks and no social distancing. We are fine.

          Get exposed to Kungflu and get immune before the flu season hits full on.

        2. According to JHU sick map, the USA has had 126 million tests. Some of these are likely duplicates.

          220k deaths while infected.

          This is hysterical reaction to a relatively non-dangerous virus.

        3. We are way past the lag time for the leading edge of the Casedemic “surge”. A month into the fake surge there are very few deaths/hospitalizations relative to the peak.

          1. Are you purposely obtuse, or can’t read?

            Positive tests are rising, Hospitalizations are rising. 39 states have had an increase in hospitalizations, 16 are near or at their previous peak. And in this wave we haven’t seen the peak yet. It’s October. You’ve got November and December to go through yet. Increase in deaths will follow. And in that first wave…how did we finally get it to recede? That’s right…masks, social distancing…some by government mandate. Your Republican governors Ducey, DeSantis, and Abbott…they all did it. Because when they didn’t they were headed toward disaster.

            1. You assume masks were the savior of the populace, yet there’s no scientific proof of such causation. All of the Corona virus strains have a very similar shape to their infection rate curves. All of them die down through March and April; all of them ramp back up in the October-November timeframe. This virus behaves like the others in the Corona virus family. If you doubt the applicability of this fact set, look at Germany this year and when they enacted their mandatory mask laws. Their curve flattened a couple of weeks before their mask implementation. Hmmm. Correlation vs causation….

      3. By the way, a couple weeks ago, I mentioned here in April that we had a small local hospital with 150 beds. 140 were Covid patients. I was told “yeah, that was NY.”

        It’s starting in that direction in other states. Utah:

        “As Utah continues to report new coronavirus cases at unprecedented levels, a second Utah hospital has filled its intensive care unit, forcing it to open — and staff — overflow beds.“

        Those are regular beds becoming ICU beds, due to Covid.

        https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/10/19/utah-coronavirus-cases-up/

        1. Utah has 546 total deaths while infected as of today. 546 deaths while infected in 8 months.

          More testing means more infected. That does not equate to some scary mass increase in deaths. On 10/19/20, Utah had 3 deaths.

    3. What is it with this absurdly uninformed lunacy being spouted by lefty morons? The FDA has held nothing up.
      There has been an Emergency Use Authorization for testing for months. There have been zero regulatory delays in testing rollout.

      Tests have been developed as rapidly as science allows. Abbott alone has brought multiple new tests into production. Their rapid $5, 15min antigen test was already rolled out and scaled up. They claim 50mil/month currently.

      1. Did you even read Ron’s article? Nah, you decided to blather instead.

        “But there is one major problem. “Everyone says, ‘Why aren’t you doing this already?’ My answer is, ‘It is illegal to do this right now,'” Harvard epidemiologist Michael Mina told The Harvard Gazette in August. “Until the REGULATORY landscape changes, those companies have no reason to bring a product to market.” Caps mine, just to help you understand RON’S point about regulations.

        But you are right about one thing…the FDA could approve those tests, bypass regulations, if they wanted to. Hahn, Trump’s appointee, doesn’t want to.

        Thanks for agreeing with me!

        Best,
        Jack

          1. April? you are quoting the NYT from friggin April?

            1. Brother. It’s making YOUR point that the FDA can use EUA to approve tests. But they don’t do it often.

              1. 284 FDA approvals for testing under the EUA as of today.

                1. Here’s The whole point of Ron’s article…it’s about rapid home testing like saliva, not all tests. This has been available since April. But the FDA required it be done in front of a doctor. Then in May they said it could be done at home, but with expensive equipment and then sent out for results. Finally in August they approved a less expensive test BUT…back in front of a health care professional.

                  “SalivaDirect’s EUA still requires people to spit in the presence of a health care professional, but the company has requested the FDA expand that authorization to allow people to collect their samples at home.“

                  Waiting approval…from Trumps appointee Hahn and his FDA.

                  Keep trying, Mike!

                  https://time.com/5891887/covid-19-saliva-spit-test/

                2. Ooohhh…the date on that article is….wait for it….7 days ago!

      2. By the way, here is the FDA using EUA for approval of antibody tests:

        “The F.D.A. has received requests for emergency-use authorization from 120 antibody-testing developers. So far it has granted formal approval to just four: Cellex, Ortho Clinical Diagnostics, Chembio Diagnostic Systems and the Mount Sinai Laboratory.”

        It’s the FDA, and Trump appointee Hahn, who is the bottleneck. He can change it. Tell him. And Ron.

        1. Abbott has 4 different tests approved under the EUA, and is mass producing a $5, 15min test at 50mil/month as of October.

          ya know….the exact premise of this shameful article.

          you (and Ron) are either cluelessly uninformed, or intentionally deceiving.

          1. Have some fun out there today Mike!

            Best,
            Jack

          2. you (and Ron) are either cluelessly uninformed, or intentionally deceiving.

            Venn = circle.

        2. https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/mcm-legal-regulatory-and-policy-framework/emergency-use-authorization

          There are 284 EUA approvals for testing from Feb through today, including at-home tests. This took 2 minutes searching on Google and then 5 minutes to read the FDA’s webpage.

          So I ask again. Are you intentionally lying or just woefully uninformed?

          1. See my response above. Still…have some fun out there today!

    4. Read the statute and see if FDA is allowed to waive applications on a blanket basis, rather than having to individually approve them.

  15. Fuck you and your “new normal” passive aggressive bullshit, Ron

  16. What’s with the ‘new normal’ stuff on a libertarian publication?

    Are we supporting medical tyranny now?

    Up here we’re starting to see a strong vaccine push for flu shots. I just saw an ad that screamed, ‘FREE TURKEY!’ If you can show us you got a flu shot. Fricken crazy.

    Don’t eat meat!

    Eat deer!

    1. yeah I don’t get the mad push for flu shots this year. no one died from the flu this year, it was all COVID-19. there’s no vaccine for COVID-19, so take one for the flu?

    2. Since we were making noise, I’m taking my show & tell here.

      Not to bug anyone’s muzzle, but what does this site say about COVID testing and the FDA?

      https://www.pixel.labcorp.com/at-home-test-kits/covid-19-test

  17. Mr Bailey, this is irresponsible reporting. You are feeding into the fear mongering for no good reason.

    We don’t need wide spread tests everywhere (though they couldn’t hurt). We just need touchless thermometers. My kids have been going to school for over a month. They have been in day camp for 4 months before that, even as California had its “Surge”. Today, the restaurants are all open, and people are eating inside and going to the gym, and my county is fine. Our school district reports on infections and we get 1 or 2 at various schools every week. And no outbreak occurs.

    We take temperatures regularly. If you have a fever, you are sent home. We take temperatures when we leave the house. If someone has a fever, they stay home. It works fine.

    1) There is little evidence of asymptomatic (i.e. I have the disease but never develop symptoms) spread.
    2) There is little evidence of pre-symptomatic spread (i.e. I spread it before developing symptoms).
    What evidence there IS, is marred by confounding factors- by the time they were studying this in China and elsewhere, community spread had already begun. And further, many studies asked the infected whether the Patient Zero was exhibiting symptoms, (they said, “no”) when in fact asking the original later revealed they did have symptoms.

    The biggest indicator that you are sick is a fever. It is simple to test, and costs very little. Entire communities can go back out into the sunlight, if they just follow this one simple trick.

    1. This almost sounds like exactly how we did things for decades before the specter of the “new normal” crashed into our collective consciousness.

      1. There are a stunning amount of risk averse -fucking cowards, with no capability for rational thinking in our society. They embrace the ‘new normal,’ it seems. And attack those who question it.

    2. It is a good idea to do a temperature check. However that one measure alone has a low sensitivity for corona. The last study I saw only 56% of those testing positive had fever. If you combine that with other clinical signs and symptoms you can get a much higher sensitivity and specificity.

      Really anyone with a fever does not belong at work or school so it is a good idea.

      My link ability on my thing is for some reason not working.

      Obviously a rapid test you can do at home would be ideal. What is holding up FDA approval and which products have been developed I do not know. You want a test with high sensitivity for the disease so few false negatives, even if you get a false positive rate.

      1. The last study I saw only 56% of those testing positive had fever.

        1) There is little evidence of asymptomatic (i.e. I have the disease but never develop symptoms) spread.
        2) There is little evidence of pre-symptomatic spread (i.e. I spread it before developing symptoms).
        What evidence there IS, is marred by confounding factors- by the time they were studying this in China and elsewhere, community spread had already begun.

        The distance between these assertions/observations represents the rub. If the tests are overly sensitive and/or a good portion of the population never becomes symptomatic despite testing positive, then many of these positive cases may be irrelevant.

    3. first, i’m not sure how suggesting there is a way to more effectively kick the spread of this thing such that we could greatly reduce some of the other restrictions is fear mongering.

      second, if you are regularly checking temperatures, you are doing something different. you are voluntarily taking action. this is good, but is not a valid argument for poo pooing any other voluntary action people might take. a quick at home test could provide an even greater confidence level than temperature checks ever could, and perhaps we could see a greater return to normal.

      third, it has been well documented that people can be contagious with the disease with few or no symptoms…… but rather than fight that right now, i am just going to point out that with just about every viral infection that exists, a person is contagious for at least a couple days before they develop symptoms. even checking temperature regularly, you will be spreading it for days before you know you have it. this isn’t just for covid, this is for every single virus that is part of this family, including those that are part of the common cold. it is extremely well documented scientific fact, and pretending that people are not contagious at all before developing a fever has got to be the most stupid blatant lie i have seen from any science denier…. unfortunate that your entire rant hinges on this lie. the temperature checks help, but a quick at home test would be better, and would tell you sooner than temperature checks ever could.

      1. Yes, asymptomatic cases can transmit infection, but they are not nearly as efficient in spreading the virus as symptomatic cases.

        1. and that relates to anything i said, how?

  18. Ron, why do you continue to mislead about this? Are you intentionally lying, or just uninformed? And why quote Mina from August? It’s Oct and Abbot is up and running…

    https://www.abbott.com/BinaxNOW-Test-NAVICA-App.html

    1. “Ron, why do you continue to mislead about this? Are you intentionally lying, or just uninformed?”

      Ron is all three.

  19. It would cost around $20 billion to provide 330 million Americans with rapid at-home test kits costing $1 each for weekly use. Given that the federal government has already borrowed $3 trillion in response to the pandemic and appears interested in borrowing trillions more, that would be a real bargain.

    Like the government cares about “bargains.” It’s not like it’s their money.

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  21. COVID-19 diagnostic testing has been greatly scaled up from a few thousand tests per week back in early March to 2 million tests per week in early August. But the summer upsurge in COVID-19 diagnoses, hospitalizations, and deaths in the U.S. highlights the fact that we still don’t have enough testing to provide individual Americans and health care professionals with the information needed to squelch the pandemic.

    The idea we can squelch the virus from what I can understand is bullshit according to all the experts best we can do is slow it down maybe. Even that’s not clear. President tested everyday multiple times a day, anyone within 6′ of him or had a meeting was tested and it still ran through his immediate entourage.

  22. Election year fear mongering.

  23. Just because we can doesn’t mean we should and testing is useless anyway. Trump’s team gets tested all teh time and he still got. Are we going to force testing which other test shall we force people to take? BTW Gov Newsom seems to be creating a plan for forced vaccinations. otherwise why set up all the government vaccination centers when you could just go to the local pharmacy to get it like we do for all other vaccines.

    1. I didn’t find anything on this. On the other hand, I DID find this.

      “‘SACRAMENTO, Calif. —

      As the quest for a COVID-19 vaccine continues, Gov. Gavin Newsom said Monday that California is launching a scientific safety review workgroup in which top health experts will independently review vaccines that are approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration before distribution happens in the state.

      “This vaccine plan will move at the speed of trust. You have to have confidence in the efficacy of the vaccine, confidence that we’re not rushing to judgement in terms of its distribution and its accessibility,” Newsom said during his noon press briefing.

      He noted that in the first phases of a vaccine rollout, there will likely be limited supply. “‘

      https://www.kcra.com/article/gov-newsom-covid-california-wildfires-oct-19/34416922#

      If we interpret this, that means about an additional year for the actual implementation of a vaccine program. That means more time to subjugate and control the masses.

      1. So Newsom would rather let Californians die than let them make their own decisions.

    2. What kind of mind do you need in order to conflate “remove barrier to production and distribution of a test” with “mandatory forced testing?”

      We need a test for that.

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  25. Rapid Covid testing has a false negative rate as high as 50%, often since it takes a few days or up to a week to turn positive after a person is infected. So this does not look like a great solution or alternative to taking reasonable precautions.

    The White House strategy of reliance on rapid testing failed for a reason.

  26. >>New Normal

    those words make people stop reading you right there.

  27. Fast, cheap home testing even if there is 50% false negative rate is still much better than not having fast, cheap home testing available.

    Covid-19 deaths are probably over reported, but there is nothing we can do about it at this time. Time will reveal any nefarious actions by political partisans and false reporting to increase revenue.

    The reality is that we as humans can’t afford to keep the economy shut down and many will not survive the isolation. Life needs to resume even if there is a risk.

    Hiding in the basement is not resolving the pandemic, you are just deluding yourself by sticking your head in the sand.

  28. It would cost around $20 billion to provide 330 million Americans with rapid at-home test kits costing $1 each for weekly use. Given that the federal government has already borrowed $3 trillion in response to the pandemic and appears interested in borrowing trillions more, that would be a real bargain. Such a testing regime “will stop the vast majority of transmission and it will cause these outbreaks to disappear in a matter of weeks,” [Harvard epidemiologist] Mina said.

    Between false positives, false negatives, misuse, laziness, and incubation periods, this is utterly absurd. All it really shows is how low scientific standards at Harvard have fallen.

    1. Because giving people the freedom to purchase and use an imperfect test is secondary to some sort of externally imposed regime of conformity.

      Efficacy in either case appears irrelevant to you

  29. the consensus from the comments seems to be this……. “we can’t do anything because it won’t be 100%, so we should wait for herd immunity which we are not 100% is even possible.”

    that last bit needs to sink in a bit…. we do not know how long immunity lasts….. there are other corona viruses that are part of the common cold that you can catch every year, because the immune response fades that quickly. we do not know if herd immunity is even possible.

    1. But masks! right????!!!

    2. The consensus from the comments is not ‘do nothing’
      Its decide what your personal/family risk tolerance is and do that.

      The reality is there will never be “zero covid” and that virtually everyone in the world will get it at least once and probably a few times. This was the reality in March* and it is even more true today.
      Sooner people recognize that, the sooner we can get on with normal life.

      If you really wish to achieve “zero covid” mask mandates, closing large venues(churches, arenas, theaters), and house arrest except for ‘essential workers’ and ‘necessary shopping’ ain’t gonna cut it. Even with 100% compliance all you have done is slow things down at a very high cost.

      You’re gonna have to accept a global police state response unlike anything the world has ever seen, along with piles of bodies likely exceeding a hundred years of Communist purges.
      As ruthless and indifferent to suffering as the CCP is, I doubt even they are willing to go that far.

      * It was probably reality in January even if you could have convinced people in US/EU to go along with shutting down schools and arbitrarily deciding what businesses to close and which to allow to open.

      1. there are a few things that you need to understand. first, you are correct that this is going to end up being one of our common viruses that everyone catches. there are two things that make that understanding incomplete. first, is that for a novel virus there is zero immunity and the number of cases has the potential to overload the healthcare system with the sever cases in a very short period of time. that will eventually not be the case, but it is now. the concern has never been if this virus will be with us long term and become part of the normal mix….. it will…. it is getting to that eventuality without overloading the healthcare. i never said “zero covid” so you can put that straw man away.

        second thing….. advocating for people to take some personal responsibility and take appropriate personal precautions is not advocating for mandates or a police state….. that is another straw man. i think that you should wear a helmet if you ride a motorcycle, and i will ridicule you and think you are an idiot if you don’t…. but i do not support helmet laws. i want to educate people and let them have as many tools as they can to help us get from where we are to where we want to be. the point of this article is that the government should get out of the way to give people this other tool that they can choose to use to help in that goal. it isn’t about forcing people to do it, it isn’t about expanding government control… it is about reducing government control…. but everyone, including you, is acting like it is the opposite.

    3. Rapid home tests aren’t just ineffective, they are potentially harmful.

      If you want to test yourself once a week go right ahead. Every American can afford $50/year, government need not get involved

      1. I’m with you that the government does not need to pay for or mandate it. but everyone on here seems to be missing the point that this option is being banned by over-regulation. everyone acts like the only options are force everyone to do everything on the government’s dime, or do absolutely nothing because nothing is an answer to 100% stop the virus……. those are not the only options….. people have forgotten that grey is a thing….

        1. The FDA, preventing useful medicines from reaching the market, as intended.

        2. Currently, we have a tightly regulated healthcare system with coverage mandates, and false positive tests end up costing a lot of money, costs that are socialized. Universal testing with tests like these would generate millions of false positives every week. Who is going to pay for that?

          1. what is so hard to understand about a test being done by yourself at your home…… the results never need to be reported to anyone…. ever….. you take one and you “think” it is a false positive…. take another one. (they cost $1.) you don’t want to take them at all, nobody can force you. the point of this article is to reduce the regulation and socialized aspects. the point is to put the knowledge and control directly into the people’s hands. anyone opposed to this because they don’t like the government control is reacting out of reflex and failing to recognize that this takes control back from them.

            1. what is so hard to understand about a test being done by yourself at your home…… the results never need to be reported to anyone…. ever…..

              No, but they will be reported. That person who got a positive test will go see their doctor, who will be obligated to run more tests.

              the knowledge and control directly into the people’s hands. anyone opposed to this because they don’t like the government control is reacting out of reflex and failing to recognize that this takes control back from them

              If you don’t have symptoms, taking a rapid at-home test is profoundly stupid. In a libertarian society, you could buy whatever tests or drugs you wanted and use them in whatever stupid way you wanted. But that stupidity would be self-limiting, because you would have to bear the cost of your stupid choices.

              But we don’t live in a libertarian society, we live in a society with socialized medical costs. So the consequence of the stupid choice to take an at-home test is that other people need to pay for the follow-up doctor visit and PCR.

              You’re the typical fair weather libertarian: you think that you can willy-nilly institute those parts of libertarianism that are convenient and nice, while just leaving the issue of socialized costs and externalities to “later”. That’s not libertarianism, it’s a recipe for disaster.

              1. you don’t get it….. if you test positive, and have no symptoms…… nobody can force you to go to the doctor. nobody can force you to take the test in the first place. you could not possibly have it more backwards…..

                as it currently stands….. if you want a test for whatever reason….. risk of exposure, to meet an airline requirement, just for the fun of it….. you have to go to a healthcare worker and every single test, every single false positive, gets recorded….. that is what you are arguing in favor of. you are arguing in favor of the status quo where every single false positive gets recorded.

                if you remove the regulations preventing people from taking it at home, those who take it and get a positive can take another one….. if they get a second positive, it is probably legit and they should stay at home. if they never get symptoms, they never have to report anything…. they just take the test every day or two until they are clear. if they get very sick and go to the doctor, they were going to do that no matter how you handle the tests. if they have a false negative, they take a second test and move on……. the only thing ever reported with an at home test is the person who gets very sick and was going to be recorded no matter what you do. lack of reporting is WHY they won’t remove the restrictions.

                as for being a “fair weather libertarian,” you, again, could not have it more backwards……. seriously, how the heck can you be arguing in favor of needless regulation and claim that that is the “libertarian” position? i am arguing to remove barriers to allow for voluntary action, and you are arguing to maintain government control and a system that creates the involuntary reporting you mistakenly try to use to say we should keep those barriers to voluntary action. how is giving people the freedom to make a choice not libertarian just because you personally might not make that choice? you are the “fair weather” one here.

    4. 7 months appears to be the immunity duration we’ve been able to settle on right now. That’s not bad. It could turn out to be longer.

      1. it is a range, and has variables. we don’t lose immunity as an on/off switch, it is as antibodies decrease over time. even after 7 months, another factor is that subsequent infections are likely to be not as bad because your body is not starting from zero. but the bottom line is that at that short of an immunity period, it is unlikely we can count on herd immunity, because even with a vaccine, it is likely an impossible task to give it to everyone in that short of a time frame. people will lose immunity before you can give ti to everyone.

    5. No, what’s being said is that you do potentially more damage by lunging at ‘solutions’ that have such a high incidence of incorrect results. In engineering that would be referred to as an ‘underdamped’ system, and it can readily lead to catastrophic results. In the medical community, the term, “First, do no harm” is the rule.

  30. Weekly tests are the same as no tests. You can be spreading the virus for 6 days before you know you’re virus free. So make that 20 billion dollars more like 140 billion.

  31. Oh, hunker down and wait for approval. You know you use it.

    Besides, who can guarantee that test if the FDA refuses approval without due representation?

    It’s not like you can’t wing on over to Tibet and get the test there, ffolkes. Or try out Canada, where gargle & spit does the job. Mexico? Who needs home testing in Mexico, the problem on the street must be far worse!

    1. the fda actually already has approved the tests, they just force you to use it in front of a health care worker. (so they can track it and use the results to control you.)

      1. The tests have a false positive rate of several percent. That means that the are beneficial only in limited circumstances; when used in other circumstances or by people who don’t understand statistics, they are harmful.

        If you’re concerned about government tracking your health information, that train left the station long ago in the US.

        We should abolish the FDA and lift restrictions on drugs, but that needs to go along with privatizing and deregulating medical care.

        1. if you have a false positive at home, you can take it again. if you have a false positive at the drive through test…. it gets recorded, and you must quarantine. false positives is the worst possible argument against allowing people to do it at home, because it is only a problem with the status quo situation.

  32. The stupidity of pushing testing as a way to end transmission cannot be overemphasized. You are shedding the virus for, on average, 5 days before you will test positive for SARS-CoV-2, so explain how rapid testing will stop the spread.

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