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The Conservative Trans Woman Who Went Undercover With Antifa in Portland

Confessions of a black bloc mole


Erin Smith was at a GOP election watch party at Twitter headquarters in San Francisco on November 8, 2016. For the one-time deputy vice chair of communications for the city Republication Party, it should have been a time of jubilation.

"As soon as they announced Trump the presumptive winner, we're told, 'Hey, there's a mob of protestors out front,'" says Smith, who stepped outside to find the San Francisco cops being pushed back by a crowd, some in head-to-toe black: clothes, helmets, face masks. 

A trans woman, conservative, and former tugboat captain who says she's "a weird activist/analyst-type person right now," Smith soon became galvanized to find out more about a group that dressed as revolutionaries and took their fight to the streets. What was animating them? Trump animus? The romance of revolution? The boredom and frustration of COVID sequestration? An unfocused desire to fuck shit up?

It takes a special moral blindness to see setting fires, breaking windows, and threatening journalists as the road to justice. I've seen this moral blindness rise along with the violence in Portland. Young activists have told me frankly that they don't give a shit if someone working in the basement of the police station burns to death because, hey, she chose to work there. I've seen activists cheer the murder of a member of the conservative group Patriot Prayer. You cannot employ the violence of your perceived enemies and expect your revolution to end in peace.

What Smith has experienced has not been peaceful. She's had friends beaten up by antifa. She's been threatened herself. It made her curious. This summer, she decided to find out more by going undercover with the black bloc anarchists in Portland.

I went out with Smith several nights, and while I could not follow her directly—black bloc avoids having those outside its ranks interview or photograph them—I was able to watch her, wearing all black and carrying a shield bearing an anarchist "A," slip into the group. I saw that she was present at the same locations where black bloc attacked buildings and set fires.

After one such night, Smith and I sat over a couple of hard seltzers and discussed why she decided to infiltrate the black bloc and what she found.

What did you know about antifa when you first encountered them in San Francisco?

I had a vague idea of what antifa was, but it wasn't nearly as big a deal as it is now, outside of maybe Berkeley or Seattle. I'd had friends that got attacked at the Trump rally they tried to hold in San Jose [in April 2016]. I'd had a year of watching that happen, and basically, I don't like bullies, so I started showing up at these things, at rallies and protests and places where my friends were getting beaten up. It felt like in 2016, everything really changed in the Bay Area. It stopped being so carefree, in a sense Everything started kind of feeling like it was for keeps.

April 27, 2017, was the first rally I went to, in Berkeley. This was a Trump MAGA rally. I started livestreaming in June and I got to be pretty good at talking to people from the other side. The first time I ever actually dressed in black and put on a mask on and tried to slip into the bloc was last weekend. It is a little scary, because I've faced them down so much. I'm like, "I'm going to dress in black and slip in?"

I've studied them for a bit, watching videos and stuff. I wrote a piece on antifa tactics for a monograph that's coming out next month, for the Center for Security Policy. And I have an advantage, having gone to the rallies. But they know who I am. When antifa hates you and know who you are, the best way to hide is right in the middle of their black bloc. That's the last place they think to look. It's one of the advantages of dressing in black and wearing your mask. 

You had a shield tonight. Did you make it?

Actually, I acquired it at the riot. Someone set it down, and I'm like, "That's cool. It's communism, no property. This is mine."

How organized are things on the inside?

There are different types of bloc organization styles. The building block of antifa is what's called an affinity group, people you live and work with and trust and know in real life. All the planning is done within that closed bloc, and they don't let everyone know [what they're going to do]. I didn't know that they were going to burn the Portland Police Association when I joined. What they did was put a call out that said, "Anyone show up in black that night at this place, and you can join the action."

That's called a semi-open bloc. The planning is done within the closed group, but anyone who's dressed in black can come join the action. If you know what you're looking for, you can spot affinity groups that are working together. One thing they'll do sometimes is have written agreements with other protest organizations that aren't in black bloc. I know of one from Berkeley that illustrates this: "We agree that to not take pictures of anyone in antifa." It will say that literally in writing, so everyone's working together. It's like a combined arms type thing, almost like the military. They work together and are mutually reinforcing.

So your first night with them, you burned the Portland Police Association…

We get to the Portland Police Association and immediately, they blockade both ends of the street. They built the shield wall and they're hammering the door open. I went over and I'm standing in the bloc as they're breaking the door down. It took them a little while longer than what I thought. They could have found better ways to breach the building, but they had hammers and pry bars and they pry it open and pry the plywood back and they pour fuel and light it on fire and start burning stuff.

Strategically what they're doing is, they're forcing a dilemma action. A dilemma action is when you put your opponent in a no-win situation. Your enemy has to react. If they don't react, they look weak; if they do react, they have to react in a certain way where it looks like it's an overreaction.

When the feds were in Portland, they were presented as overreacting, a presentation helped by innumerable people with PRESS written across their clothing flooding the internet with images that presented protesters wholly as victims of an authoritarian regime.

That's their [antifa's] objective. It's not a tactical thing. That's why all the "press" is there, the sympathetic press. They're trying to create propaganda. They know how the police are going to react, so they carefully calibrate what they do to try to provoke the police into reacting and then filming it. They want to try to push public opinion in favor of removing the police. The police aren't perfect, but what a police force is, it's putting force under an objective third party, under government control. Antifa wants to separate the police from the populace.

This is basically guerilla warfare. They're trying to undermine legitimacy of the state. The police right now, I think some of them are catching up. There's a playbook for how police respond to riots and they're not actually doing it; it's not an actual riot. I mean, it is a riot, but at the same time, it's a specific type of riot that's trying to make the police respond in a certain way.

Meaning, they're able to provoke the police into taking the bait.

Yeah. Basically they're baiting the police into overreacting.

So how did you feel when the police station was on fire?

It was pretty wild, actually. Right when the fire was lit, the police announced, "This is a riot" and they [the black bloc] started marching. For me it was really kind of amazing, because they were incredibly proficient. This was 600, 700 people. They moved a group of people through the city in close order, quickly and efficiently, and attacked a target and caught it on fire and then escaped from the police.

I describe it as an open-source networked insurgency. They were incredibly efficient. They hit a target and vanished into the city and got away. Basically, they're like skirmishers: They come in, they attack the cops, they get out.

Antifa goes for a certain type of violence, a mid-level violence. Most people aren't practiced in violence, and what they'll do is, they'll either back down or they'll overreact. Antifa basically as a group does the equivalent of just pushing someone on the shoulder, and again, and again.

They keep it at a simmer.

Yes. It's very tricky to react to because people get angry. If you just go in public and pick someone and start pushing them, if you keep pushing them, they're going to slug you; it's just how it's going to work, at the individual level but also at the group level too. I'm also speaking metaphorically, in a sense. Of course if you hit them, they're going to fall down and go, "Oh, God, you're violent. You're a Nazi!"

What they're intending to do is use that level of violence that will scare people enough to back down. [The radical left] learned in the '70s that killing people is bad PR. A body count is horrible.

So we're not going to see another Weather Underground?

Not at this point. They've learned and adapted. What they want to do is make it difficult for people [they don't like] to organize.

So that's really the two responses. Most people don't know how to handle that mid-level force. So they either back down or they slug people; either way is a win.

When you don't know what you're looking at, you see a lot of random, rage-filled kids. You sometimes wonder: Do they even know how to formulate a plan? But you go out with them a few nights and understand, people are actually working together.

It's really interesting. I did a breakdown of the Grant Park video, the tech they had. And that was freaking incredibly sophisticated. This is Grant Park in Chicago, when they attacked the statue and put like 49 police officers in the hospital. [Tonight] was so much like this, in terms of operational sophistication, how coordinated everything was. 

But not centralized.

Let me explain that a little more. People keep looking for a chain of command, and you don't necessarily need that, as long as everyone understands a basic level of instruction it works.

What are the basics?

Basically, don't talk about it. Don't photograph people's faces. "What did you see?" "I didn't see shit!" is a chant you'll hear. You can go to websites like CrimethInc. and they'll have a lot of breakdowns of tactics. It's an anarchist website. It's an open-source network insurgency, not so much a chain of command.

People think antifa and they picture people in black. Antifa is bigger than that. Black bloc is a tactic. Dressing in black, it's a tactic. You don't have to dress in black to be antifa. You don't even have to hit the streets. There are people who work in tech, hackers who never hit the streets, and they're still antifa. [The media] play these little word games, "Oh, antifa doesn't exist." Yes and no. It's not an organization where you have to sign up for a membership. It's one of those things where it's just a loose-knit network of people.

Whose message can be a sweet song, not just young people looking for identity, or those for whom COVID-19 has cooped up, but anyone wanting to be part of what they see as a fighting force for justice.

People want to fight through things. I first heard of CrimethInc in 2000. I've got their seminal work, Days of War, Nights of Love. I've got it inscribed, "Love and insurrection"; it's anarchist stuff. I'm not an anarchist or a communist or anything like that. But it is a siren song. Young people, they sense there's something wrong, and they want to fight. That's a human instinct. Francis Fukuyama talks about it: People want to struggle. And if everything is fine, they'll struggle against democracy. 

I understand where some of that comes from. People want community and want to feel like they're fighting. That's why we love Star Wars. We love the underdog fighting. And I think young people that don't have a network, it's just something very intoxicating.

And totally honestly, when I was out there with black bloc [and] busted open a door to a police station, set it on fire and ran from the cops? It was fun. I know that sounds weird. I don't support that as a policy, but when you're there in the street, it's fun.

Violence is fun. This is one of the things we don't talk about as a society. It's like, wow, this is pretty fun, especially when you feel like you have grounds for any type of legitimate complaint. It's easy to knock on these people. And I still do. I don't agree with what they're doing, but I respect them. I've been facing these people down for four years. I take them seriously and I respect their skill at what they're doing and their dedication.

What are the ages of the people you were hanging out with?

Anywhere from twenties to thirties.

Do you have any idea what they do for work?

In the Bay Area, we've had people arrested that were physicists. Look up Freddy Martinez. He was arrested for punching some guy in Berkeley. And Freddy Martinez is the director of Lucy Parsons Labs. I know there's another guy who was a Johns Hopkins grad. You can dismiss them as a bunch of losers, but I've seen some incredibly smart people.

I've told some demonstrators mouthing off to me to read Utopia or Auschwitz, about the 1968 generation in Germany who were livid with their Nazi-collaborating parents and were going to build a better society. The movement became progressively less peaceful and eventually took to bombing and murdering people. Antifa right now is able to keep things at a simmer and provoke others into behaving badly, but history tells us things usually don't stay at a simmer. Do we get to skip the part where people are building bombs in basements in Portland?

Well, they are making those primitive small IEDs made out of commercial grade fireworks. They're roughly about the power of police flash-bangs. I've had them go off right next to me and you feel it; you feel the heat wave hit you. But a big thing for them [antifa] is they have convinced themselves that they're doing something good. They're very big about trying to maintain, at least in their eyes, the moral high ground. Part of that is not killing people. They want that moral high ground and they construct it. And that's kind of what they do by using that mid-level of violence. They want you to overreact because not being extremely violent is how they convince themselves they're better. And it's also great propaganda. 

Do you see antifa as getting more than a toehold in city government here?

Quite possibly, yes, I think by weakening the police, or defunding the police. They have the organization that if the police went away tomorrow, you would basically have an antifa police force. They wouldn't call themselves antifa, but they have the organization that, if there's no objective third-party security force, then who's going to stop it?

I think the worst case is if they weaken the police; they don't go away because then the police are still there and they'll be able to target the normal law-abiding people. It's what we have in San Francisco. It's anarcho-tyranny. It's like the law really only applies to people that are trying to follow the law.

I wouldn't say the majority of people in Portland are sympathetic to antifa, but you've got a lot of people that either are apathetic or don't think it matters or they're scared. You put all of those people together, maybe you have a majority. There's a woman running for mayor that is openly pro-antifa, a woman who was photographed wearing a skirt with Chairman Mao's face on it. It could be that Portland is the place where antifa goes Main Street.

I think that in many areas they are already there. I don't think antifa will get out there and start dressing in police uniforms and be the official police. I think they'll always stay kind of a paramilitary. But the police are weakened to the point where they can barely oppose [antifa] now as it is. So the police go away, it's operant conditioning. If every time I grabbed this [hard seltzer] I got shocked, after a while I would stop grabbing it. And that's basically how they operate. It's not so much a matter of ruling the whole city, it's the sense that antifa [moves] the Overton window. "If this person is advocating for something we don't agree with, we can go punish them and we can punish their friends and family." It's a self-censorship. If the cops are a token force now, and they can't stop anyone, and antifa can destroy your life, then people are going to know that. 

And they're going to shut up and just try to go about their lives.

That's what they're going to do.

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  1. “the city Republication Party”

    They’re going to republish San Francisco?

    Hopefully they’ll make several major revisions to the manuscript, I mean, city, first.

    1. I recognize these tactics; I used them, and taught them to peace-marchers and labor union organizers, for many decades. The difference is that we took care *not* to be violent, *not* to start fires, *not* to commit assaults, and especially not to commit homicides. This bunch — Antifa and BLM, which are sister organizations — have no such nice distinctions. They are *not* trying to create a new society “within the shell of the old”. No matter what they call themselves, or how much they quote Marx and Mao, their strategies reveal them as Fascists, pure and simple. They’re trying to seize state power, and their cronies in the DNC are giving it to them.
      I expected, over the years, to see the police evolve effective counter-tactics, but it seems that their ruling city govts. *won’t let them*, and this tells you all you need to know about these particular city govts. They should all be thrown out next election.
      The police in these cities should simply go on strike, and refuse to come back until the *people*, not the local govts., petition them to. They should also announce far and wide to the citizens how to hire private security guards, and how to arm and train and organize local militias for their own protection. Their demands should include: 1) instead of “defunding” the police, give them more money — and make sure every penny is spent on *stun weapons* — stun-shields, stun-batons, wireless Tasers — and extensive training with the same; 2) Police should also carry portable CO2 fire-extinguishers, both to put out fires quickly and to blast rioters into coughing silence without doing any real damage;
      3) Police should also purchase fleets of very small flying camera-drones, transmitting to a computer station, which can watch the protesters from a safe height and keep track of where they are, what they’re doing, and precisely who is doing it. While they maintain the strike, the police can moonlight as private security guards. These are tactics that will work, if only their govts. will comply.

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      2. Those are useful tactics. I suggest the cops get a water cannon on a truck or whatever, and load it with essence of skunk (or butyric acid, essence of puke) and dayglow yellow stain. That way the protestors clothes are ruined and they are easy to spot. After a few episodes these folks will run out of black clothes and money to buy more.

        Simple, cheap, and effective.

        1. I have often wondered the same thing – bulk dried poultry manure is cheap, could be spread over rioters by air (helicopter/drone), and then activated with firehoses. It absorbs about 9 times its weight in water, stinks to high heaven, will irritate the eyes and mucus membranes, and convey an effective and appropriate message.

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      3. ” No matter what they call themselves, or how much they quote Marx and Mao, their strategies reveal them as Fascists, pure and simple. ”

        LOL. Like Marxists would never seek to violently seize power.

        Fuck off commie.

      4. Stun this, stun that. Stun just makes drugged up fools mad. Did you see that fool, surrounded by cops, get tazed then charge a sargent stabbing her in the vest twice before being shot dead? Nobody who has not faced down a madman on fentynal or PCP should even open their mouths. Irrelevant to the protests, you say. That scene attracts the occasional drugged nutcase. The tip of their spear.

      5. I agree with you, except for your understanding of Fascism. Fascism =is= Marxism.
        Mussolini and Hitler were both Marxists, meaning socialist communists (socialism is the worker’s dictatorship that supposedly brings about the utopia of communism). Mussolini decided that he disagreed with the internationalist aspect of socialism/communism, and created national socialism, which is socialism/communism applied within a nation. Fascism was a reference to an ancient Roman symbol of a bundle of sticks capped with an ax head (the ‘fascistii’–this symbolized socialist/communist collectivism to Mussolini). Fascism was thus the Italian version of national socialism, but eventually the term ‘fascist’ was applied to all national socialism. Hitler agreed with Mussolini, and applied national socialism to Germany as Mussolini did to Italy. NAZI is an acronym that means ‘National Socialist Worker’s Party’. In other words, NAZI was the national socialist dictatorship worker’s government that was meant to usher in the age of communism, or a classless society. Thus, Fascism is national socialism/communism.

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    4. Just keep it in mind that Antifa was founded by the German Communist Party in 1932. Really says it all.

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  2. “Actually, I acquired it at the riot. Someone set it down, and I’m like, “That’s cool. It’s communism, no property. This is mine.””


    1. Left adrift, must be a gift.

    2. Gaming the system THEY brought in and to her own advantage I like it/ Sort of a snollygoster to the tyrants.

      1. I think they’re going to find out that they don’t enjoy the rules of engagement they’re setting.

    3. Which is of course the commonest misunderstanding of socialism.

      Socialists are not against personal property (my car, my clothes, even my house where I live). They are against capital property (my factory, my fleet of lorries, my rental properties).

      If you are going to oppose socialism you need to understand it. Otherwise you just waste your time beating up straw men.

      1. These people aren’t socialists. They are anarcho-communists.

        When they set up CHAZ in Seattle one of the first things they did is abolish private property.

        1. It makes sense when the author says they most of all just want to fight. This may be a result of their aggressive impulses being squashed in childhood by the schools and by political correct parents. Childhood is a time when you can learn how to manage anger and aggression and eventually channel that into good citizenship.

          It also has to do with abolishing God from the public square and schools. Without faith, many have no grounding to morality.

          In the past, improving society meant helping with a soup kitchen, teaching ESOL , clothing drives, and other charitable volunteering, often an outgrowth of the church. These kids are instead letting out all that aggression they never learned to handle because they weren’t allowed to express it as kids, or to learn about sin and forgiveness.

      2. I have had arguments with socialists, where I could not get them to allow that I could own a toothbrush.

      3. Yeah, right.

        Exactly where is that dividing line, and — more importantly — who gets decide?

      4. That can be vague. Some socialists want to do away with capital property but allow individuals to own personal property (clothes, shoes and the like). Others want to completely abolish the idea of private property all together.

      5. “Socialists are not against personal property (my car, my clothes, even my house where I live…”

        Strange then that the serfs in the USSR couldn’t own the land they farmed, nor the homes they lived in, and that was true of the serfs in ComChina.
        I think you were misinformed.

  3. “It’s not an organization where you have to sign up for a membership. It’s one of those things where it’s just a loose-knit network of people.”

    The White Knight hardest hit.

    1. Knew I would come up, because this is all about me. So, I’ll restate things I have stated before. (And the CACCLs will ignore it, and tell tales of the White Knight that lives rent free in their heads, rather than the real White Knight.)

      First of all, I am no fan of antifa. A bunch of antifa beat up one of my best friend’s son, in Berkeley, a few years ago.

      Second, I have only talked about providing some kind of proof of affiliation with Black Lives Matter, when posting videos or articles claiming that this or that “BLM” person did something bad. I have never said anything similar about antifa.

      Third, I have never defended Black Lives Matter, either. My entire point is that if you are going to link to a video or something showing someone being violent or doing some other bad thing, and you are going to label that person as “BLM” have some kind of proof that they actually are affiliated with BLM. Of the dozens and dozens of links that have been posted in commenters here, two have been of actual Black Lives Matter-affiliated persons.

      1. Adding a bit more. Even today, I have seen several comments saying “ENB is pushing a narrative with the items she links to in her morning roundup.”

        This is EXACTLY the point of why I keep saying don’t label someone as Black Lives Matter when you have no evidence at all that they are affiliated with Black Lives Matter. Because you are pushing a narrative that BLM is behind all of these acts, when they are not.

        1. Exactly right one guy completely refutes the thousands of people.

          Great observation!

        2. “This is EXACTLY the point of why I keep saying don’t label someone as Black Lives Matter”

          No it isn’t. You’re a leftist, you fucking lie.

          1. As with Muslims, it’s ok to lie to an infidel.

            1. Sounds like a joke, but…

              don’t talk about it. Don’t photograph people’s faces. “What did you see?” “I didn’t see shit!”

              Something, something, honor among thieves.

              1. As a group they didn’t see shit, but get one of them alone and uncomfortable and they’ll blubber out a confession like that kid in Goonies.

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                2. Old Irish saying, from back when the Brits ran more than 6 counties: “Whatever you say, say nothing!”

                  IRB/IRA used a cell structure to ensure that members only had so much info. Same for revolutionary communists. Modern version features “leaderless” cells, that act autonomously, but communicate through the `net. using anonymized networks, if they are smart. Break the old-style cell and you might be able to go after the contact who fed them orders. With a “leaderless” cell network, doing that might just net the cell members. Sloppy security, where people do know the names, locations and/or haunts of members of other cells is why Irish revolutionaries would get infiltrated. or why members would get turned and become informers. Compromising the electronic communications network is one way US spooks penetrate “terror networks.” Tracking financial transactions is another. Antifa seems self-funded, though many are exercised by donations to bail out those arrested for rioting charges, property damage or using pyrotechnics as improvised weapons. Those donors may just be sympathetic to the legitimate protest movement, and are being turned into suckers by extremists.

              2. The mafia calls it omerta.

            2. I can’t figure out if you are calling me a Muslim. But I guess that’s OK, as long as you don’t call me a Canadian or a Nickleback fan!

              1. I always pegged you more of a Coldplay fan.

                1. I think you mean he likes to listen to Coldplay while getting pegged.

                2. You shouldn’t out your sock.

                3. Aren’t they the same group?

                  Didn’t they record that song? “Look at this viva la vida”

            3. Cops are the same way.

        3. After reading that I’m really starting to suspect White Knight is actually ENB herself.
          I’m probably going to start calling him/her/it “ENB” anyway.

          The good thing is, if true, it means ENB is finally exposing herself to actual journalism with Nancy’s column.

          1. I had thought the consensus was that it was Mike Laursen slinking back here? Shrug.

            I wouldn’t have thought ENB would have the time.

            1. Maybe not. Maybe it’s someone with a crush on her instead, but the White Knight seems to fight for her honour more than anyone elses.

              1. ‘her honour’

                Good one.

            2. ENB is always “E. Nelson Bridwell” to me. And what’s a CACCL?

              “Central Area Council of Community Leagues?”. tHAT’S cANADIAN.

        4. BLM are not at the root of all of this.

          Nope.They are one of a number of marxist outfits that are working loosely together to bring down the present world order. Antifa are another one. Both have the same overarching cover organisation that provides and manages things like funding, direction, strategy, public relations (media in back plcket, or even a sub branch of the larger organisation). If you observe carefully it will be abundantly clear that Antifa/BLM work closely together on a regular basis. Division of laboutr is pretty sophisticated, to it makes it harder to tell.

          1. “…laboUr?”

            Another #$@&!’ed frostback?

        5. This is EXACTLY the point of why I keep saying don’t label someone as Black Lives Matter when you have no evidence at all that they are affiliated with Black Lives Matter.

          Interesting. Have you once argued people should not be labelled Republican just because they support a Republican theme but have not announced themselves as a Republican?

          Can you point to one single instance?

      2. Lol. You’re full of shit. And you also keep claiming Rittenhouse guilty. You defend BLM and anti racism constantly. You do this by claiming for proof beyond even self declarations from those on video.

        1. I do not keep claiming Rittenhouse guilty. I say he shot three people. I say he committed acts of violence. That is indisputably true. That is different from being guilty of a crime.

          1. I say he shot three people. I say he committed acts of violence. That is indisputably true.

            Yes, and you put it in those terms because the people he shot were your boos.

            1. They weren’t my “boos” and I use the words “he shot three people” because that is what he did, in plain English. If you feel you need to euphemize when taking about it, you may want to re-examine the relationship between your political views and reality.

              1. If you feel you need to euphemize when taking about it, you may want to re-examine the relationship between your political views and reality.

                The reality is you were crying like a bitch because he defended himself from four people who were trying to harm him, deliberately muddying the waters with your “blurry video” nonsense, and blaming others for pointing out your disingenuousness.

                Warn your lefty boos not to fuck around with armed people, and they won’t get their pedo dicks shot off like Rosenbaum did.

              2. As the “Fact-checkers” may put it…”True, but lacks context.”

                If he acted in self-defence, the picture you paint is incomplete.

        2. Link to one place where I ever defended Black Lives Matter.

      3. First off Reason, there’s this FUCKING SHIT GARBAGE popup window that says “You are already logged in as Bruce D. Account settings Log out”; it’s obstructing the screen and it WON’T MUVVAFUCKING SHIT PUKE SNOT GARBAGE GO THE FUCK AWAY!

        How the FUCK does one GET RID of the FUCKING THING???

        Reason, talk to your web developers and have them GET the FUCK RID OF IT!!!

        I’ve been a subscriber since the ’70s. This is annoying and is PISSING ME THE FUCK OFF!!

        1. Hey, thanks, Reason. After I posted the above, it went the fuck away. Thanks!

    2. I didn’t see one notarized attestation in the story. WK is proven right.

      1. Except I’ve never claimed that it is possible to prove someone’s affiliation with antifa. Again, link to one place I’ve ever said such a thing.

        It’s not my fault that BLM and antifa are the same thing in your simplistic CACLL way of thinking.

        1. What’s your fucking point WK? If they don’t denounce the actions of vigilantes then they are condoning it.

          It sounds like they may even try to incite violence and plausibly deny they were involved. It doesn’t make a difference.

          So we are simpletons because we don’t categorize the violence under the correct umbrella organization, even though they are all flying the same flag?

          You sound like a Mormon defending their religion by redefining the word “translate.”

          You can’t just bypass reality by making up bullshit rules as you go. Semantics and technicalities and excuses are the tactics of the intellectually dishonest.

        2. If this is your actual take, that it is impossible to prove one way or the other, I can provide many, many, ridiculously many, examples of you asking for this exact impossible thing.

  4. People want to fight through things. I first heard of CrimethInc in 2000. I’ve got their seminal work, Days of War, Nights of Love. I’ve got it inscribed, “Love and insurrection”; it’s anarchist stuff. I’m not an anarchist or a communist or anything like that. But it is a siren song. Young people, they sense there’s something wrong, and they want to fight. That’s a human instinct. Francis Fukuyama talks about it: People want to struggle. And if everything is fine, they’ll struggle against democracy.

    That’s why we call them “Useful Idiots”.

    1. They’re very big about trying to maintain, at least in their eyes, the moral high ground. Part of that is not killing people. They want that moral high ground and they construct it. And that’s kind of what they do by using that mid-level of violence. They want you to overreact because not being extremely violent is how they convince themselves they’re better. And it’s also great propaganda.

      Most Americans consider them delusional little thugs who are so ignorant about history (yes even the physicists) that they are the fascists. They have zero moral high ground outside their delusional bubble of Lefty friends.

      They are not going to like the violent self-defense conflict from the Silent Majority when enough is enough. It will be bloodletting against the Commies.

      1. There’s a very good reason why this shit doesn’t happen outside of liberal strongholds.

        They’ve tried and been rebutted every time.

        And out here, no one cares whether they think they have the moral high ground. Because if you’re on my street, and you’re here to start shit, you’ve ceded whatever moral high ground you thought you had to those who will not back down.

      2. “It will be bloodletting against the Commies.”

        I doubt it. The FBI and DHS are full blown Commie. It’s why we hired Trump and why we are seeing DOJ drag its feet on charges against the (treasonous) resistance in the federal govt.

        When we the people stand up against this, the US Government will hit us hard and let Antifa go. The open treason committed by the FBI and CIA during the Russia coup should have started a war but we still don’t fight back.

        We are not fighting thugs in Antifa.

        We are fighting the police unions, teachers unions the FBI, the ATF, DHS and the IRS. The US Military has been split by Obama and will not be helping us either.

        We are fresh out of Patrick Henrys since we abandoned Tim McVeigh and allowed his prosecution and killing. Tim was right. We should have pushed forward and ended the FBI right then and there.

        1. If you embrace McVeigh, you have ceded the high ground.

          That’s why Antifa keeps it at a simmer.

          Eventually, because they lack a central authority, somebody is bound to cross the line though.

          1. Antifa has already executed one person for being a Trump supporter.

      3. They may be delusional little thugs, but they’re delusional little thugs being herded into doing something terrifyingly effective: They’re raising the cost of any political activism they don’t approve of. You can agree with them safely, but publicly disagree with them, and your life becomes dangerous.

        People don’t like their lives being dangerous, and political activism is optional in people’s lives.

        It doesn’t take a lot of people to make normal politics unreasonably dangerous.

        It’s a terrifyingly effective approach to warping the politics of a country, and the question is, how do we deal with it?

        1. Eliminate the threat.

          1. He’s a fan of The Cold Play? Then this might be for him…..

            With extreme prejudice.

  5. This guy did a really good job, good on him for all of his hard work.

    1. Heh, I see what you did there.

  6. “An unfocused desire to fuck shit up?”

    Well that covers a multitude. And she transitioned herself into a pretty good looking woman, I have to admit.

    1. Ya know, I hate to admit it, but I think you’re right. I’m so confused now. Might try drawing a mustache on my wife tonight.

      1. Try a pirate costume…

        1. This guy ARFCOMs.

          1. So does this guy ^.

          2. Interesting that you would know who ARFCOMs. Takes on to know one.

      2. you gotta FOCUS

  7. Erin is good people.

    1. She is – I got to shoot with her after CWW at Mitch’s a few years ago in Reno. She’s very cool.

      1. Likes guns too? Ok she’s in.

        1. She’s in that big Time magazine photo they took a little while ago for their article on Guns in America. Very, very bright observer of political culture.

      2. Maybe she’ll show up at Mitch’s new place in Arizona.

  8. It’s pretty telling that the description of their operations is exactly how terrorist cells work. This stood out in particular:

    So we’re not going to see another Weather Underground?

    Not at this point. They’ve learned and adapted. What they want to do is make it difficult for people [they don’t like] to organize.

    This is why they get their shit pushed in when they try migrating outside their blue havens. They’re outside their power base, and not only do the locals hate their guts, the prosecuting officials are looking to make an example of them. That’s the reason these excursions to Republican-controlled areas get blown the fuck out almost immediately and rarely, if ever, pop up again.

    These tards forgot the simple lesson from Che and Mao that you can’t sustain an communist insurrection if you don’t have the hinterlands on your side.

    1. So we’re not going to see another Weather Underground?

      There’s only 1 Weather Underground, but there’s also weather.com if that’s more your style.

      1. Not only does the government not stop them, they are on their side. See weather.gov.

      2. Weather.com always overstates the wind speed.
        They are like NOAA in that they don’t want anyone in The ocean if there is a breeze.

    2. It’s a big reason that the highly disciplined organization that’s described in the article falls apart when they aren’t in the city anymore. A neighborhood bands up to counter-protest and push them back, they start acting erratically and typically retreat in disorder, because they’re legitimately confused as to why people are resisting them.

      The fact that they don’t keep showing up in these places, but have been in some particular big cities for four months, demonstrates that they can only sustain operations where the legal power structure favors them.

      1. “because they’re legitimately confused as to why people are resisting them.”

        Like the Soviets in Finland? I wonder if they truly believe they are really “liberating” anyone or are just being assholes?

        1. That’s a whole different level of conflict. It’s a lot more similar to the anarcho-commie activities in the late 19th and early 20th century. Their tactics haven’t really changed much, it’s just the technology lets them operate more efficiently now than it did back then. The key difference from that time is that the movement of that time was largely driven by legitimate blue-collar workers in manufacturing, mining, and agriculture. Their main opposition was the white-collar middle class and business class.

          That’s changed quite a bit in that today, blue collar workers largely despise Antifa as slacktivist scumbags. Their main base of support now comes from upper-middle class leftwingers in academia, tech, and government at all levels. Like Weather Underground, it’s very much a bourgeoisie movement–the vast majority have some form of college education, and they expect the institutions that hold society together to remain static and conform to the Fully Automated Gay Space Communist utopia that they wish to implement. It’s also why they hate the lumpenproles who have no interest in being their meat shields.

          1. I should add that the shot of that cake perfectly encapsulates the level of arrested emotional development possessed by these tards. The vast majority of Antifa are spoiled, drug-abusing white kids who were indulged by their parents most of their life under the “All I Needed To Know I Learned In Kindergarten” philosophy.

            1. Yes. They are doing a lot of harm but at some point they are going to end up dead or doing long prison terms. They are just that stupid and do not understand when to quit or that they could be subject to the violence they with to inflict upon others.

              1. One of then DID end up dead.. the eedjit who was the triggerman in the assassinatiion on the street in Portland a couple weeks back. He mnaged to flee the area, cops and other LE had a cold trail. BUT some “good guys” went to work and had an ID on the perp wihtin two hours. Descriptioin and I believe number plate from his car. His own family told LE where the creep was hanging out, 120 miles north inLacey. FRed marshals, Pierce and Thurston COunty Sheriffs bagged him. He tried to fight it out, but was careless enough totake up the Room Temperature Challenge.. and lost. He got a one way ride in the meathack to the local sew em back up hotel, but his through ticket was to the basement, where he ended up laying mighty quiet. Didn’t take long for them to fit him with his very own custom personalised Toe Tag. Saved the public a TONNE of money by not having to hold a mock trial for him, and warehouse his skin bag for decades on the public dime. As happy an ending as could have been expected.

                1. Not a happy ending.
                  He deserved to die, but can’t provide information now.
                  And why haven’t his accomplices been picked up?
                  Watch the videos.
                  It’s clear there’s a team of 6 or more people, each with defined roles, who planned and participated in the murder.

                2. I read some of the quotes from his final “interview”. Can’t imagine being around someone like that. I just kept thinking ‘this guy is my age, he’s way too old to be this stupid.’

                  Apparently not. Haha. What a doosh.

                3. “…toNNe…”

                  More Canuckian spelling.

            2. And outside of the media and places like the Reason staff, and academia, my impression is that everyone hates Antifa now. Even my crazy liberal friends who six months ago were saying antifa was like Eisenhower and such now won’t claim them or talk about them and presumably wouldn’t give a shit if Trump ordered them all exterminated. In fact, they would like that because Antifa would make a lot better martyrs than anything else.

              I really think at some point after the election, the hammer is going to come down hard. If the Democrats win, they will have no use for them and not want to get blame for the chaos. If the Republicans win, the Democrats will blame Antifa and be happy to see Trump order them exterminated.

              1. The Left still approves of antifa and their methods, they just don’t want to admit it until after the election.

        2. Kyle Rittenhouse is our Simo Hayha.

          1. Kyle Rittenhouse is unfit to wash Simo Hayha’s gravestone.

            1. He hasn’t capped nearly enough commies by comparison, but Hayha would respect his marksmanship skills.

              1. Hayha respect his marksmanship skills? Doubt that.

      2. They are typical of the passive aggressive left.
        No inherent strength or capabilities of their own, they only have what is given to them, utterly impotent without intervention of an outside power.
        That power comes from benefactors providing funds, friendly media, allied government which protects them from people defending themselves, and from their victims’ restraint.
        There is only one proper response: overwhelming force and no mercy.
        They are termites to be squashed.

      3. I think they need to go out and get thumped every now and again so they can claim that there’s a force of Nazis out there that only Antifa can save us from.
        It’s a show for their base.

      4. Not so much confused as recognizing the optics will be bad, both locally and nationally AND they have lost control of the video.

    3. That doesn’t mean they can’t move beyond their bases, once they’ve secured them. It means they’ll have to change their tactics.

      Right now they swarm in with numbers and low level weaponry. As they move into territory that’s less friendly, they’ll move to much smaller numbers, and more violent tactics.

      Instead of a mob showing up at your campaign headquarters, somebody will do a drive by firebombing, in and out fast. Maybe they’ll build Molotov cocktail drones.

      Instead of doxxing you, or trying to get you fired, you’ll come home after work and find your dog has been tortured, and your parents’ address written on the wall in blood.

      They will continue to learn and adapt. What they won’t do is get LESS dangerous.

      1. Going to tactics like that would essentially make it open season on them. Anyone from deep blue communities that gets caught doing something fishy and isn’t recognized in the community becomes a target.

        Fucking around with people in the hinterlands is NOT going to end well for them, nor the state Democratic politicians who have to keep the government operating while all this is going on.

        1. As the saying goes, “fuck around and find out”.

          They might try such tactics. I suspect that they are somehow unaware that the people they hate can travel, too.

          I wonder when the first Antifa riot will get completely hosed down with bullets.

          Civil wars don’t have rules of engagement.

  9. This rings very true to me. I had a personal run in with Antifa at a metal show in December 2015 in Portland. Whole city was wailing and gnashing teeth about Trump. At this metal show 3 young guys came up to me and one asks me if I’m a nazi, one of them videotaping. I say no I’m not. 4-5 more times they approach me at different points in the night asking the same question. Eventually I say “You keep asking me the same question, the answer is the same: no. Please stop bothering me”. Never lost my cool, but clearly that was what they were trying to provoke. I’m sure it would have instantly been a 2 or 3 on 1 fight, maybe with them pulling mace or asps. I got the feeling they might try to jump me, so I kept my eyes more open than usual and went right to my car as soon as the show was over.

    1. Why even talk to them at all?

      If you say something, say something like “Are YOU and Nazi”? You guys are dressesd like Nazis, act like Nazis, and are Democrats voters who are Socialists like the Nazis were.

      1. Yeah I think 2nd or 3rd time I said “No I’m not a nazi….are you?”

        Because they were filming me, I was being extra super polite. I didn’t want to give them any material for some propaganda video.

      2. If you’re going to say anything (and at a metal show in Portland), start screaming – “These guys just told me they’re nazis!!!!!”

      3. Accuse them of recruiting

        “No!, I already told you, I don’t want to join your Nazi party!”

  10. It’s why people carry, and are not afraid to use it. Anyway pretty sad state of affairs that our youth think things are so bad they need a revolution.

    Let the cops open up on them. I don’t mind. I’d rather that then live with thugs who cause trouble.

    But really why is the press so sympathetic? If these assholes got any real power the press would be the first in the gulag.

    1. The MSM is so ardently anti Trump, they likely thing the enemy of “their” enemy is their friend. And as the writer observes:

      “They have the organization that if the police went away tomorrow, you would basically have an antifa police force. They wouldn’t call themselves antifa, but they have the organization that, if there’s no objective third-party security force, then who’s going to stop it?”

      And the press would be ruined along with anyone else they see as an enemy.

      1. In Germany in 1934 that was known as the SS and the Guistapo. And yeah, journalists would be the first ones shot. But our media are among the dumbest people in history and can’t see that.

      2. Well, I mean a press that is willing to be a ‘tame’ press and write only about the things that antifa approves of would be fine. That covers just about everyone working in ‘journalism’ today.

  11. After one such night, Smith and I sat over a couple of hard seltzers

    …while Bukowski and Hunter S Thompson were socially distancing a few tables away sipping mimosas.

    1. I was just thinking the other day how Hunter S. Thompson would have reacted to virus restrictions, given his wild disregard for laws and rules in general.

  12. Great reporting. I am going to take some time to digest this.

    1. Rommelmann seems to be the only “journalist” on the scene out there.

      1. That’s because most journalists aren’t borderline suicidal. Seriously, it’s great information, but they’re going to take him out eventually, and I don’t mean for a drink and a movie.

        1. Nancy Rommelmann, so might not be a “him”.

    2. Rommelman should win a Pulitzer.

      1. It’s some of the best, most honest reporting I’ve seen in a long time.

  13. Actually, I acquired it at the riot. Someone set it down, and I’m like, “That’s cool. It’s communism, no property. This is mine.”

    Ok, she’s my write-in for President.

    1. But if there is no property the how could it be hers?

    1. Spectator sports and football used to fill this void. The sport was invented as a way to keep boys tough when the Indian Wars were over. They started allowing the forward pass because so many college kids were literally dying on the football field. Once you could pass over the line, it was no longer all about stacking the line or forcing your way through the stack. And football was better than bar room brawls. You could even have coaches teach values like bravery, confidence, persistence, and teamwork. Not much of that at your local bar room brawl.

      We’re dealing with an effeminate generation. It’s actually refreshing to think there are kids in this generation out there who want to pick a fight. It’s almost like they haven’t completely wrung masculinity out of the culture yet. The tragedy is that they’ve been sucked into the bullshit socialist/social justice narrative. If they’d been around during my generation, they might have become Nazi skinheads. Angry kids from broken homes with the economy falling apart, no mission, little guidance, few prospects–who crave all of those things.

      In ’80s suburbia, they’d have become skinheads. In ’90s Los Angeles, they’d have become gangbangers. In the early 2000’s, Muslim fanatics turned kids like that into suicide bombers and Islamic militants. In 2020 Portland, they’re antifa. The solutions are always the same: good parenting, economic growth, and using law enforcement to punish them when they destroy property or violate people’s rights. Ten years from now, those that haven’t figured life out will still be in the underclass. Plenty of those in the streets today will be yuppies–just like what happened to anarchists in the ’60s, who eventually became the yuppies of the 1980s.

      1. I thought one of the most profound things I heard Douglas Murray say in an interview, when they asked him, “What are things that no one is talking about that we should be talking about”, he said, “Anyone who thinks that as society moves from a state of [religious] belief to non-belief that everything will be business as usual is sorely mistaken– and I say this as an atheist.”

        1. The fall of religion generally and Christianity specifically is a big problem.

          “Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust . . . . Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.”

          —-Matthew 5: 38-48

          That’s Jesus talking! The idea that even evil people have God given rights that we’re obligated to respect is right there in the middle of Christianity. And 1) it’s the basis of all honest liberalism and 2) it flies directly in the face of anti-fa. Anti-fa is all about violating people’s rights because they’re unworthy. Christianity holds people worthy by virtue of Jesus having died for them. To treat them otherwise is to deny the value of Jesus’ sacrifice.

          Jesus of Nazareth may have been speaking directly to the anti-fa of his day with that, too.


          1. Jesus was a Libertarian!

            1. Josh was a theocrat: his alter Yahooey as King of The World. His kingdom is coming Real Soon Now.

          2. The fall of religion generally and Christianity specifically is a big problem.

            I agree. And I’m an atheist.

            Religions provide people with a set of ethics, rules, structure, identity, network, and purpose. They are all-inclusive mental health packages. Once you reject the primary feature – belief in a supernatural being – much of the rest falls as well, and one is left to find those things for ones self. It takes a lot more thinking and reading and self-reflection to replace those things.

            Marx wrote:
            Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness.

            Which I interpret to mean that once you stop believing in the religiously defined purpose of life, you are able to realize that you must determine your own purpose in life. And not many people can.

          3. This sounds like the old “even if it isn’t true, religion is useful” argument, beloved by cynical tyrants of old. If the existence of deities isn’t true, then morality has to be derived from philosophy. That’s not something that gets studies much, especially not in the dadburned gubmint’s schools. When it is studied in state universities, those departments have been so colonized by descendants of Marx and the Frankfurt school as to be an actual detriment to learning morality. I had to take 4 Phil and 3 Theo courses at my Jesuit University before I ditched religion. The ghod-stuff was nonsense, but at least one became acquainted with Aristotle, Plato and the idea of Ethics, both secular and religious. In the traditional taxonomy of Philosophy, Politics is a branch of Ethics. Your garden-variety Antifa enthusiast or neo-Nazi are probably indoctrinated without developing the internal BS detector some intro to Logic courses and some Phil survey courses of the type that were taught decades ago might allow one to develop.

        2. The madman jumped into their midst and pierced them with his eyes. “Whither is God?” he cried; “I will tell you. We have killed him—you and I. All of us are his murderers. But how did we do this? How could we drink up the sea? Who gave us the sponge to wipe away the entire horizon? What were we doing when we unchained this earth from its sun? Whither is it moving now? Whither are we moving? Away from all suns? Are we not plunging continually? Backward, sideward, forward, in all directions? Is there still any up or down? Are we not straying, as through an infinite nothing? Do we not feel the breath of empty space? Has it not become colder? Is not night continually closing in on us? Do we not need to light lanterns in the morning? Do we hear nothing as yet of the noise of the gravediggers who are burying God? Do we smell nothing as yet of the divine decomposition? Gods, too, decompose. God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him.

          “How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it? There has never been a greater deed; and whoever is born after us—for the sake of this deed he will belong to a higher history than all history hitherto.”

          Here the madman fell silent and looked again at his listeners; and they, too, were silent and stared at him in astonishment. At last he threw his lantern on the ground, and it broke into pieces and went out. “I have come too early,” he said then; “my time is not yet. This tremendous event is still on its way, still wandering; it has not yet reached the ears of men. Lightning and thunder require time; the light of the stars requires time; deeds, though done, still require time to be seen and heard. This deed is still more distant from them than most distant stars—and yet they have done it themselves.

          1. ~ Friedrich Nietzsche

      2. Ken the lack violence and masculinity in our culture is part what has caused this. These idiots have never experienced violence so they are not afraid of it and don’t respect it. The dumb ass in Austin who was quoted as saying “these pussies won’t do anything” as he shoved a rifle in people’s faces and then later ended up dead when he put the rifle in the wrong guy’s face is a perfect emblem for these people. They think they are violent and like violence but they have been coddled their entire lives and have no idea what real violence, as in the other side giving it as good as they are getting, as opposed to bullying where the other side allows it, is actually like.

        At some point they are going to run into a fair or likely an unfair fight and decide that they don’t like violence very much. Indeed, in every one of the “Antifa dumb ass goes to the wrong neighborhood and gets his ass kicked” videos out there, the first thing dumb ass Antifa guy does is try and run to the cops. It is as comical as it is pathetic.

        We have a whole group of just stupid, worthless children. And sadly, they have become dangerous both to others and to themselves. It is not going to end well for them. At some point even Portland will get tired of it and start locking them up or shooting them or they will get brave and go somewhere else and end up locked up or dead. Really, dead or in prison is all you can do with them. They are just worthless garbage all of them.

        1. The other thing we used to do with these kids is send them to war. Even if they didn’t fight, the military would teach them some self-control. I guess the military has higher standards these days than they did in the past. I don’t think the military wants them anymore.

          1. Ballpark 70-75 percent of American 17-25 year olds are unacceptable for enlistment, according to current DoD guidelines. See, https://www.heritage.org/defense/report/the-looming-national-security-crisis-young-americans-unable-serve-the-military

            .Mil really doesn’t want you if you need psychoactive meds, and a shitton of our children take them. In addition, they’re a lot, to infinitely, more likely to reject a “Join the Army or Go to Jail,” type of kid than they used to be.

            The military is a lot more professional and hideously expensive per person than in the past. Flawed people need not apply. Of course, all that shit may change, a la manning requirements increasing towards the end of Bush the Lesser’s term, such that if you could fog a mirror, you were in.

        2. Agreed.

          Exactly this. The worst they’ve experienced is rubber bullets and some tear gas.

          That’s not violence. Violence would entail real bullets flying out of those rifles. There would be tanks pushing them back instead of shielded cops at least trying to not to overreact. There would be vicious counterattacks performed by people who’ve lived violence in hostile territory.

          Their communications would be severed, and their strongholds infiltrated by those who own the night. And those guys don’t carry trash can lids or wear bike helmets.

          1. They are going to keep fucking around and there will be a right wing version of Antifa. And those guys won’t be firing rubber bullets.

            1. And Antifa will point and say “see , we told you” while the sacrificial casualties mount.

              Police actually show restraint and measure their response, even when the Antifas provoke them to “overreacting”

              Wait until they meet up with a proactive foe whose goal is annihilating Antifa with zero casualties on their own side.

              1. Here’s a really good review of a book called ‘Days of Rage’, about the radical underground in the 60’s-70’s, and how it relates to what’s going on in America today.

                The author also includes a lot of stuff that’s relevant to this discussion.


                1. That book is fantastic and I’ve recommended it here several times. It’s an important one to read specifically because of the current alliance between Antifa and Democratic politicians.

        3. You are hinting at the possible to this shit, and that is the emergence of new opposition to Antifa ultra-violence, arson, and looting, an opposition that will engage in UNFAIR tactics.

          Due to the lockdowns, lots of people have lots of time on their hands.

      3. No, actually American football, like all football, came from England.

        Various types of football were played locally in Britain, and when they came to the USA, they brought those various types with them. Most of those versions of the game don’t survive today, although one of those extinct versions became fairly popular for a while in the NY metro area. On some college campuses, some very rough versions, reminiscent of some of the roughest back in the UK, became popular to play once a year, intramurally, as they had among locals back there; you needed the remainder of the year to recover.

        However, among the versions of football that came over, the one that was favored by the British elites, such as in the army, was rugby, which they planted in Canada. A few years after the Americans started intercollegiate competition and wanted to regularize it, they discarded the types of football played by the townies and switched to rugby. This became American football when certain rules that had been unwritten and settled by custom back in the UK were dealt with by clarification and made more playable. The Canadians liked what the Americans had done with rugby and so adopted most of the American variations.

        The thing about rugby is, it was for the few to play and the many to watch, unlike the townies’ games. shortly those who wanted to watch football watched the intercollegiate version, while those who wanted to play discarded the various local versions and switched to soccer. Soccer eventually developed a spectator following in North America as well, and a century ago was the next most popular to baseball among professional team sports, but then various historic circumstances derailed big-time soccer here.

        However, someone looking for an alternative to soccer for foul weather play brought the soccer ball indoors and invented basketball.

        1. Oh, and baseball too, of course.

        2. Some of the ideas Jesus expressed existed in other or older cultures. But that wasn’t where we really got those ideas. They came to us through Christianity.

          It ultimately came from other older sports–but they didn’t come to us from the UK. It came to use when both the Civil War and the Indian Wars were over. That the beginning of American football–and it was invented at Harvard and Yale who no longer had any wars or Indians to fight. This gets it right:

          “Football is as old as the Celtic civilization. I mean, you can trace primal games of, you know, Danish invaders kicking skulls around the shores of England,” she said. “But organized football is really a creation of the 1860s and ’70s in this country. It’s a post Civil War creation. It comes along just really a couple of years after the last great conquering armies settle the west.”

          But, historians said, a predicament appeared for settlers when Indian wars and massacres began to wane: how to prove one’s manliness.

          “If you’re a young student, say, back east at a fancy school like Harvard, how are you going to prove your own toughness? I mean your father, your older brother, they maybe fought at Gettysburg, Battle of the Little Bighorn,” said historian Dr. Conrad Crane.

          Historian David Adams said with the end of consistent confrontations with Native Americans, men were thought to be losing their grit.

          “The American frontier experience was over. There was this feeling among a lot intellectuals that American men were losing their masculinity, they were being feminized in a sense,” he said.


          Jazz may have roots in African music, with Spanish, Scottish, and other influences–including the work of Bach. But that isn’t the ultimate source of Jazz. Jazz started in the South in places like New Orleans–and American football started in the aftermath of the Indian wars in the Ivy League.

    2. I love that band. Nice guys, too.

  14. [The media] play these little word games, “Oh, antifa doesn’t exist.” Yes and no. It’s not an organization where you have to sign up for a membership. It’s one of those things where it’s just a loose-knit network of people.

    The “antifa doesn’t exist trope” is so stupid I can’t believe we even have to debate it.

    Nazis. Nazis are everywhere. You’ve been called a Nazi, I’ve been called a Nazi right here on these boards. I’ve been called a Nazi by commenter Tony, more than once.

    Putting aside the hilarity of Tony calling me a Nazi, I still give Tony the benefit of minimal intelligence that even he doesn’t believe that I am a card-carrying Nazi, who’s a dues-paying member in good standing with a nationally recognized Nazi organization. I give Tony the benefit of the doubt that he is using it as a descriptive term, suggesting that I carry a set of beliefs that are, in his opinion, Nazi-like– or consistent with the tenets of National Socialism.

    That’s what makes this ‘antifa doesn’t exist’ trope so damned infuriating. Because when arrested, no Antifa identification or organizational ties can be established… then we should just take discussion about Antifa off the table.

    1. They’re emoting–and they think their feelings are important. It’s kinda funny to hear them call people Nazis, too–since they’re emulating the Brownshirts to-a-t.

      “Many of these stormtroopers believed in the socialist promise of National Socialism. They expected the Nazi regime to take more radical economic action, such as breaking up the vast landed estates of the aristocracy, once they obtained national power.[19]

      The SA had its base among the unemployed and working class. Politically speaking, the SA was more radical than the SS, with its leaders arguing the Nazi revolution had not ended when Hitler achieved power, but rather needed to implement socialism in Germany . . . . Rudolf Diels, the first Gestapo chief, estimated that in 1933 Berlin, 70 percent of new SA recruits were former Communists.[26]


    2. I believe the term you’re fond of is herpetologists’ handshake.

      It’s the same mellenials who used to say “Yolo!” to each other; blowing smoke up their own asses. Because it certainly isn’t like AG Barr is up their saying “We’re coming after Antifa’s leadership. We’re gonna cut the head off the snake!” Even this supposedly GOP* retard acts like this is the first time any government has had to deal with hostile and subversive elements of the populace. Like no one in the entire US Government can spell Machiavelli, has read The Motor Cycle Diaries, or understands that you don’t exactly sign up and pay membership dues to be in the Klan (AFAIK).

      Nobody except the most drunken, out-of-touch retards and supporters thinks joining Antifa is like joining the army. There is no debate, it’s masturbational self-congratulatory glad-handing. Even many passive and disinterested observers were making this call while Smith was watching the election watch party at Twitter HQ.

      *Openly transgendered GOP in the city of SF makes you about as “Republican” as Bill Weld, in my book.

      1. This game should be played like a full-contact sport. The next journalist that mentions “the black community” I’m going to demand a phone number and mailing address for the Black Community.

        1. 123 MLK Blvd.

  15. We had riots in Los Angeles the last time the Lakers won an NBA Championship. People who riot and vandalize are not necessarily strongly behind a cause. Some are, but many are not.

    During the first period of riots, we had a peaceful protest march in downtown Santa Monica. It had a good police presence, and no violence. After dark, protesters and police alike dispersed, then the looters came. They hit 81 businesses, including a funky old music store that provided loaner instruments to low income students. The interview with the owner was heart-breaking; unlike Starbucks and REI, she lacked the corporate resources to re-open.

    1. Yup. Looters are not some underground organizations. They are people seizing an opportunity to steal some shit.

  16. I guess it’s good that a disaffected right-winger like Rommelmann gets to vent her opinions and feel like something other than an inconsequential malcontent.

    1. You have never had a paying job and you sponge off or your parents. No one could be more inconsequential than you. Even your parents would be privately happy to see you die.

      1. Everyone needs to quit attributing humanity to the jar full of gall bladders of failed dictators that is Kirkland. It might have been attached to a human once, but it clearly now lacks a heart or a mind and is stuck with nothing to verbalize but the fading echo of fascist diatribes.

        1. You guys seem unusually cranky. With Trump headed to Walter Reed to be treated for belligerent ignorance and lethal recklessness; Joe Biden headed to the Oval Office; and Democrats headed toward control of Congress, I guess your despair is understandable.

          Open wider, clingers.

          1. It was probably brought to life by electricity so zapping it wouldn’t work. I would guess that fire would kill it. Or maybe pickling?

            1. Try sonic. No one wards against sonic.

              Texas Toast optional…

            2. There may not be any way to kill it, just freeze it and drop it in Antarctica forever like the Blob.

              1. ” I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.” – Ripley in ALIENS

        2. Just imagine how cranky it’ll be November 4 when Trump is re-elected. If Biden is your best hope, you’re not hoping for much.

          1. And I say that as someone who didn’t and won’t again vote for Trump.

  17. Law-and-order libertarians fucking suck.

    1. So, you really think letting these retards attack people and burn things to the ground is a good idea? I know you are stupid Tony but even you have to understand that terrorism and mob violence doesn’t just affect the people you hate. Indeed, these morons are not terrorizing Republicans. There are not any Republicans in Portland. And when they try and go to Republican areas, they get their asses kicked. So, basically you are endorsing Antifa terrorizing Democrats and people like you.

      Do you understand how stupid that is?

      1. I’m not endorsing Antifa, as much as I may hate fascism, I’m attacking libertarians for siding with the fascists.

        1. So you are endorsing Antifa as a lesser of two evils. And Antifa is fascist. Mob violence is what fascism looks like

          1. “Antifa is fascist.”

            And water is dry.

            1. I suppose the people’s republic of china is a republic in your mind.

          2. I thought fascism was state-directed corporatism conjoined with a mystical ultranationalism, but okay, mob violence.

            1. That is because you are an idiot. Fascism is the use of mob violence for political ends

              1. I thought you fancied yourself something of a historian, John. I guess the insane ranting of Fox & Friends trumps history and the dictionary.

              2. No, John. Fascism is used to indicate that now, but that is not fascism. New No 2 is correct: fascism is corporatism and ultranationalism. It was dubbed fascism by Mussolini to indicate a ‘bundle of sticks’ that is stronger together than individually. It is a variation of socialism where the state does not take ownership but controls markets, prices, production and favors specific businesses. All Nazis were fascists, but not all fascists were Nazis.

                All socialist/fascist/communist systems end up using violence for political ends because that is the only way they can force the people to go along. But the violence is a result, not the cause.

        2. Sarc or stupidity?

        3. as much as I may hate fascism, I’m attacking libertarians for siding with the fascists

          You would rather they side with the Marxists? The fascists have a much better record of not murdering the people that bring them to power or their allies.

            1. Oh, I forgot. You are completely ignorant of history not spoon fed to you by the NYT.

              Here: https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM

              You will like it. All the best killers are the Marxist kind.

              1. If Mao is responsible for famine then Trump is definitely responsible for Covid deaths. Agreed, good. If communism is responsible for famine that happens on its watch, then capitalism is responsible for famine that happens on its watch.

                How fun an exercise that was talking about political systems nobody endorses.

                1. Does that mean Wilson was responsible for all the flu deaths?

                  1. To the extent that concentrating conscripts in military camps and battlefields facilitated the flu’s worldwide spread, yes. Fort Riley, KS may have been “ground zero” for H1N1.

          1. Now that China has gone full Fascist, that team may be making a comeback

        4. So Tony, define a “true libertarian”.
          Anti-globalist? Anti-fascist? Anti-socialist?
          Laws, rules, and regulations do not apply, as you reject the authority of government?
          Are you a voluntarist or agorist at all?
          Or are you a man, an island, an Anarchist conqueror?
          Is the Mad Max series of fiction, your ideal society?
          I have my suspicions.

          1. I’m a boring moderate. Slightly to the left of the current American Democratic Party.

            1. Somebody needs to adjust his Overton window.

    2. You mad that protecting property rights is one of the few things libertarians actually want government to do?

      You’re advocating for anarchy, but I suspect you really wouldn’t like how these effete little shits would get treated in an anarchist society either.

      1. Lol. I know full well that libertarians think government is violence and so it should be limited to only those tasks that involve shooting and caging people.

        1. Sarc or stupidity?

          1. You tell me.

            1. Easy: Stoooooooopidity.

        2. So you are mad. Thanks for confirmation.

          Can’t say I blame you, having that little ability to critically think would upset me too.

          1. It’s just a case of the sniffles.

      2. Anarchy in the US would be shockingly brutal, on a scale the world has never seen before. Most people cannot mentally process how many guns are in civilian hands in this wonderful country and how many of those citizens are not just armed….but heavily armed. There has never before been a citizenry that has possessed as much martial power as the US does.

        1. I know an entity that’s more heavily armed.

          1. Every last cent of that armament being given a thumbs up by law-and-order libertarians, of course.

          2. I’m assuming you mean the military and law enforcement. And thus you prove the utter cluelessness and denial of the left.

            US civilian population is the largest standing army in the world, vastly outnumbering US military and law enforcement. The anti-gun left truly does not understand how many of their neighbors are armed, even in deep blue cities.

            1. US civilians nay be an “unorganized militia,” but they sure as hell aren’t a _standing_ army. That would refer to what the Founders and Framers would have called “regulars,”

        2. It would be brutal, and it wouldn’t last long. The guys with all those guns aren’t interested in anarchy.

          That’s how we get a Pinochet. As much as antifa hate Trump, there are far worse outcomes for them than his 2nd term.

          1. Yep. Trump’s successor is the one they should be scared shitless of. Because Trump’s supporters—like Boxer the Horse—will have figured out by then that playing nice, and competing within the Rules….still gets you shipped off to the glue factory in the end.

            We’ll know it’s started when the first politicians on the Left start dropping. (We’ve already seen it happen to the Right). If I were Governor Kate Brown, I would not be resting easily with the thought of thousands of newly de-housed people, people who got burned out of their homes, sitting in the rubble and brooding on how to fight back.

            We’ll see.

    3. I guarantee if given the choice, you’d take law-and-order libertarians over the ones who’d gleefully cap your buddies and leave them as food for the feral hogs if they decided to start shit in their neighborhoods.

      It’s not an accident that Abolish ICE stopped protesting at the GEO director’s house in Aurora, for example, after the neighborhood residents decided they’d had enough, and proceeded to physically attack them and chase them out. Or that BLM protests peter out in the hinterlands, never to return.

      Like I said above, antifans are delusional enough to believe that they can have their Space Communist Utopia while maintaining the status quo on all the institutions that hold the society up that they’re trying to tear down. It’s why they screech “ACAB!” and “Abolish the police!” and then demand that the police arrest anyone who smacks them in the mouth.

      These baizuo would melt in 15 seconds if a real, actual shooting war broke out.

      1. It remains a fact that right-wing terrorists are on the FBI’s radar and Antifa isn’t. You’re still being had.

        1. It remains a fact that right-wing terrorists are on the FBI’s radar and Antifa isn’t.

          When those right-wing terrorists start burning down cities, you let me know. In the meantime, tell your friends to stay in their neurotic behavioral sinks if they don’t want to end up as coyote food.

          1. Don’t you think if someone is actually burning down cities, the FBI might be concerned?

            You’re thinking in FOX News talking points. It’s gross.

            1. Don’t you think if someone is actually burning down cities, the FBI might be concerned?

              What, the last four months was a mirage?

              You’re thinking in FOX News talking points. It’s gross.

              What’s grosser than gross? Thinking in MSNBC talking points.

              1. What, the last four months was a mirage?

                That is in fact what he is contending. He’s been consistent in that lately. It’s called “gaslighting”.

            2. Speaking of the FBI, weren’t you whinging about your allies getting party-vanned back in June? Or did we just imagine that, too?

              1. As usual Trump bragged about his lawlessness on that one.

                1. You guys really hate the taste of your own medicine.

            3. Minnesota wanted $500 million from the Federal government to repair the riot damage in Minneapolis-St. Paul, so someone was burning something.

              Why the FBI doesn’t do anything is a puzzle, but maybe they’re too busy trying to find Qanon.

  18. You cannot employ the violence of your perceived enemies and expect your revolution to end in peace.”

    What teh fuck is that statement about. is the perceived here referencing the “Right” which are not rioting or starting violence anywhere.

    1. Having by far the most people put in cages of any country in the world might be what they’re referring to. You know, the government? That thing you guys exist to be skeptical of?

      1. the U.S. locks up criminals while China locks up and enslaves millions for their religious beliefs or just for looking different. if you don’t like the laws change them but destroying a country does not solve that issue it will only put more in prison and you and I will both be there together because those protesting don’t like anyone and are getting their orders from china

        1. Well America started as a proxy war between two world powers and looks like it’s ending that way too.

          1. Communist genocide is America’s fault.

            Christ you’re an asshole.

            1. We tend not to mind the genocide as long as the markets get opened up.

          2. America started as a proxy war between two world powers

            Pithy little sayings like that may go down well at a dinner party with your gay liberal friends, but you will get called out here for that revisionist history every time. What happened in the colonies was a full on revolution against the Crown, not some proxy war for France. France mostly refused to participate until it was clear which side would win.

            And clearly it wasn’t French thinking that drove our revolution. Even with our example to follow, the subsequent French Revolution is now an allegory for failure. Its leaders were beheaded by their own supporters. It lead to a power vacuum that was immediately filled by the strongest military leader who then appointed himself Emperor.

            What a maroon!

            1. And the Indians welcomed us with stuffed turkey, I’m sure.

              1. Where did Tony go? Oh, look, he is over there now assembling that straw man off in left field instead of engaging the argument here at home plate.

                You have the attention span of a squirrel on speed.

              2. Well, actually, they did–they were looking for an alliance against another Indian tribe that was oppressing them. Funny how that works.

              3. Actually chuck is completely correct. And since I bet you believe in all the conspiracies about free masons ruling the world you’ll be happy to know France only intervened after American Free Masons convinced their Masonic Brothers in the French government to help. Nearly 70% of the funding for both the French and American revolutions can be traced to Free Masons and their string pulling

              4. During both the 7 Years/French & Indian War and the US War of Independence there were tribal forces on both sides. The preponderance of the native fighters were allied with the French in the 7YW, and with the British in the WoI. The “Indians” lost both times, and again in 1812, even if the US and UK can be said to have tied. The tribes got screwed, as the Brits finally began to abide by the Treaty of Paris and vacated their forts in what was technically the US Northwest Territory.

                The big contribution of the Wampanoag to the first Massachusetts Thanksgiving was, according to Bradford, venison. (5 deer.) The Pilgrims had caught and/or shot a mess of fowl for the feast.

  19. One thing they’ll do sometimes is have written agreements with other protest organizations that aren’t in black bloc. I know of one from Berkeley that illustrates this: “We agree that to not take pictures of anyone in antifa.” It will say that literally in writing,”

    Antifa doesn’t exist yet they have agreements in writing. How is this not prosecutable under multiple methods for gangs or racketering. our government is allowing this to happen.

  20. One of the life lessons learned by the Left since the days of the Weathermen is that soft violence gan give rise to soft power.

  21. “I had a vague idea of what antifa was”

    That’s all Antifa is, I’m told.

  22. How do you go undercover with an idea?

  23. Stopping them is simple, open fire.

  24. “There is no such thing as the mafia!”

    -FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover

    1. “I definitely do not appreciate the way that luxurious silky ladies undergarments lovingly caress my old saggy nutsack!”

      -FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover and also Tony

      1. Are you LDS Chuck?

  25. How many people has “Antifa” killed? 2
    How many people have left wing terrorists killed in the US since 1994? 2
    How many have been killed by right wing terrorists in te same time? 329

    Yes these dbags are annoying, but we have bigger problems. Mostly mormons. They need to be exterminated.

    1. ^thinks the shooter in the Pulse Nightclub shooting was a rock-ribbed republican^

      1. Wasn’t he muslim?

        1. Sure
          That doesn’t make him ‘right wing’

          Which do you think more likely.
          He goes and shoots a place up because of a ‘religious fervor’ about ‘the evil gays’ or from anger and despair over seemingly indiscriminate bombing of various locations in the mid-east where civilians are casually dismissed as ‘collateral damage’

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  27. trying to maintain, at least in their eyes, the moral high ground. Part of that is not killing people.
    Sorry Sista, but you did not get deeply enough into this tight organisatioin to learn more. You were offered the KoolAde, and quaffed a big gulp of it.

    Study out the details of that man, MAGA had installed, who was assassinated one Saturday evening in Portland a few weeks back. That was NOT a one man show. Target was singled out well inadvance. He had separated from the rest of the deminstrationhe’d been with through the afternoon, and was apparently tracked or followed to the location where he was shot. Approached rapidly, assassin’s gun at the reedy, a helper told the triggerman to do it, he questioned RIGHT NOW? Yes, DO IT so he did. That guy fled, others showed up in rapid succession, each on a particular mission.. one cleared up all the brass shelll casings, another aided with the getaway car, another ran interference for the gathering crowd, their ever present bicycle sheilds cordoned off the area, they made sure the guy was dead, and split the scene, disappearing into the evening dark. At least half a dozen assistants, covers, divertors, “cleaners”, all played their well choreographed roles. Within a couple minuts no trace of the assassination was left at the scene, other than the dying victim. This is a level of sophistication rarely seen even in pro crime operations. Most of the drug cartels are not even that sphisticated.

    Do NOT continue with the false narrative they are NOT well organised. That is part of their front. Antifa/BLM are one well oiled machine, highly tuned, and are merely presenting themselves as a gaggle of haphazard seat of the pants let’s see how this goes” operatives. No. Their whole cover propaganda is working, as yo have bought it all. Yes, they are incredibly nimble for such an organisation. But do not be decieved. They are well finded, will organised, well trained, well appointed.. and very UNwell intentioned.

    1. Do you have a citation? Not doubting, just curious.

  28. Help me understand a trans Trump supporter. Trump is definitely not trans friendly, he stripped their right to serve in the military. He nominates judges who oppose LGBTQ rights, he surrounds himself with and promotes Republicans who oppose LGBTQ rights. Then of course Trump supporters themselves are majority hostile to LGBTQ people.

    It’s like a Jew supporting Hitler.

    1. They’re not voting in their best interests, Geno?
      And of course you get to tell them what their interests and values are.
      Eat a bullet.

      1. Make me think of this distinction.

        The totalitarian right decides what is best for themselves, and forces that on everyone.

        The totalitarian left decided what is best for others, and forces that on everyone.

    2. Sounds like you’ve been smoking leftwing propaganda.

      Trump was the only candidate during the 2016 election that issued a statement supporting Trans rights. Also, when asked on the bathroom issue that was hot at the time Trump said they could use whatever bathroom they wanted at Trump Tower.

      Finally, Trump publicly advocated gay marriage back in the 80’s and 90’s. And since you appear too stupid to know, that’s back when the Democrats passed a bill called the Defense of Marriage Act that made federal recognition of gay marriage illegal. It was signed into law by the Clinton’s.

      Perhaps Erin Smith has realized that the DNC vote farms minorities like cattle, and that their super-PACs that ostensibly handle LGBTQ issues, like GLAAD, exist solely to keep you scared, angry and ignorant.

    3. It’s political theater. That’s pretty much part and parcel to the whole trans package. It’s not like a Jew supporting Hitler, it’s an English Protestant simply growing tired of or finding the WASP culture lacking, converting to Judaism, moving to Poland, and then declaring the Jewish culture to be oppressive and then supporting Hitler. When you start with, “I’m pretty sure I know my biology better than my body does.” things don’t generally get more sensible from there.

    4. Loves the Trumpinator so much she transformed herself into the closest approximation of the only thing he cares about other than himself: a hot chick?

      Think for a second. Even Nixon had friends. (Bebe Rebozo?) Trump has marks and sycophants, besides employees. He seems to love 1 of his children, if in a creepy way.

      If being gay, bisexual. pansexual, transexual or anything else consensual are part of a spectrum of human normal, why would there necessarily be a unity between non-heteronormative ID and leftism? I know some of the folks who don’t live traditional roles are libertarian, which is cool. I’d see social conservatism as a bad fit, but a free market in everything matches up better with a variety of non-trad lifestyles.

  29. “Antifa wants to separate the police from the populace.”
    ANTIFA wants the Status Quo?!? That’s some major 3-D chess they way they are going about it. Whoever is directing them is brilliant

    1. Most Antifarts don’t have the future-time orientation ability, nor the intellectual and emotional maturity, to think through the real-world ramifications of their ideology. As I mentioned above, the vast majority of them are from white-collar, middle and upper middle class families. They’re no different than Weather Underground was in the late 60s and early 70s. They literally expect that the current pillars that keep society running will still function the exact same way in their Gay Space Communist Utopia, only it will happen while they sit around with their ass glued to a couch, consoooooooooooooming whatever bullshit happens to be in fashion at the moment.

      It’s why they piss themselves every time ordinary people push back at them.

  30. “ They’re very big about trying to maintain, at least in their eyes, the moral high ground. Part of that is not killing people.”

    They openly talk about killing people. They openly attempt to kill people. When they succeed, they openly celebrate killing people.

    This individual doesn’t know or understand nearly as much about these people as they think they do, and what they get correct, most of us could have told you back during OWS.

  31. The building block of antifa is what’s called an affinity group,

    Call them what they are: cells. Don’t pretend this is anything new or different, terrorists have organized themselves in this fashion for decades.

  32. I recognize these tactics; I used them, and taught them to peace-marchers and labor union organizers, for many decades. The difference is that we took care *not* to be violent, *not* to start fires, *not* to commit assaults, and especially not to commit homicides. read more ts bed results

  33. Reason needs more of this. All of alt-media needs more of this.

    The huge story that Rommelmann teases is the “approved journalists” lists that exist on google docs and that the NYT, CNN, MSNBC et. al. have contracts with them.

    This is the story.

    Everyone watching from here can see that the major media outlets have transitioned from having a political bias or point of view into being straight partisan propaganda. But most don’t follow these stories closely, so they don’t see just how much propaganda is spewing forth from places like NBC’s Today Show. Most Americans would think of that as straight news, sort of the arbiters of truth.

    But NBC and the Today show were intimately involved in creating political stories like the “Kavanaugh is a serial gang rapist” smear, or the “Nick Sandmann is a racist thug” smear.

    It is time for the alt-media to quit sitting on the sidelines and leaving coverage of these stories to places that don’t have the contacts to do it properly…. places like conservative opinion websites.

    Rommelmann has provided the loose thread. The spreadsheet with the names, the companies involved and the strategy employed to prevent alternate coverage of their actions. Pull at that thread, and the story is there. People like Matt or the Jacket have the connections to run that down, or at least add a great deal of detail and context. People at Vice or Mother Jones could do that story… there are plenty of sympathetic ears out there in the propaganda machine for a reporter from Mother Jones.

    It shouldn’t be down to small-time independent and ideological organizations like Project Veritas to cover this beat. There are plenty of actual liberal publications who should be on this story.

  34. Another story that deserves real attention is the connection between government and these protests.

    Around libertarian and conservative circles, it is reasonably common for people to note that the governments in places like Portland are openly supporting violent protests while openly opposing any who would oppose them, or even protest with an opposing message.

    Libertarian activists will tell you that various Soros funded organizations shifted tactics more than a decade ago to start funding local district attorney races. They opine that this push is paying off now, with prosecutors openly advertising that they will not prosecute rioters on the left, and that they will prosecute anyone not on the left who resists these violent attacks in any way – even those who have obvious self defense arguments well documented on video.

    That all is a great story. But nobody is doing the investigative reporting. Is there indeed a connection between these groups and prosecutors? What are the people around these Mayors saying? Heck, I don’t even see the Mayors and prosecutors being pushed to defend themselves by anyone in the press. You’d think a competent press corps would ask a few more probing questions about why Police Chief Erika Shields resigned hours before they announced murder charges against the police.

    Surely it isn’t just fear of the mob that silences all these people. I get that the NYT is openly partisan these days – proudly proclaiming their coverage of “Russiagate” as an entirely political effort to “get Trump”…. and proclaiming their intention to push the news toward issues of race in an effort to “get Trump” after that failed. But why does Reason play along? Even straight leftist publications like Mother Jones have an intellectual honesty about them that would suggest that there are people there who take offense at things like Savannah Guthrie’s interviews of Nathan Phillips and Nick Sandmann, or at prosecuting people for defending themselves from violent mobs.

    Yet nobody is daring to write these articles. Heck, you only have John Solomon writing anything of note about the biggest perversion of government for partisan political purposes in American history. Of course, maybe that question answers itself. John Solomon’s wikipedia page describes him as “an American journalist, conspiracy theorist media executive, and a conservative political commentator. “

  35. Good interview. I think many of us deduced a lot of what’s said here.

    Antifa is an ‘idea’. Sure thing bud. Whatever you say. If you’re a politician and say this, then you’re a naif traitor. Antifa has to be dealt with.

  36. If anti-FA peeps aren’t deaf or blind, they know they have “aroused a sleeping giant.” I think they will fade …..

  37. “What am I supposed to do if I want to talk of peace and understanding but you only understand the language of the sword?”

    1. Lolz, in a situation like that, there is no alternative than to follow the language the person understands. I stand with you Mod APK

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  39. Sounds like antifa behaves much more like the mafia or Mexican drug cartels than an activist group or an idea. They claim not to kill anyone but seriously injuring seems to count as “peaceful” and you have no choice but to join or support them in order to be protected from them. What will bring them down eventually is division, where one side becomes more aggressive and radical, that turns another side against them, so they end up fighting each other.

  40. M-60s and live ammo. A few minutes of that and these maggots will quickly conclude they’d better go back to constitutionally accepted PEACEFUL protesting.

  41. I’d be one of the first people rounded up if the Marxists win total power here. It might be worth all the pain and suffering to see the Marxists turn on their own.

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