Portland Protests

Two Lawyers Walk Into an 'Anarchistic Jurisdiction'

Perspectives on the proposed federal classification of Portland and other cities in crisis.

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This past weekend, President Donald Trump asked Attorney General William Barr to designate Seattle, Portland, and New York City as "anarchistic jurisdictions" and to consider withholding federal funds, including potentially those used for law enforcement, from those cities.

Of the three cities, Portland has had the longest running visible conflicts, with marches and escalating violence nearly every night since George Floyd was killed on May 25. (Protesters did take a few nights off during the recent wildfires.) 

The pictures the world sees of Portland are unsubtle—it's either "Savages coming to your town!" or "Protesters clubbed by Trump goons!"—and the situation on the ground, remains seemingly intractable. Mayor Ted Wheeler is in constant tension with his police force, with demonstrators in Portland (including those who effectively forced him to move out of his condominium), and with the person vying for his seat in five weeks, the openly pro-antifa candidate Sarah Iannarone. 

What impact, if any, might the designation have—and is it in earnest?

"My take on this 'anarchistic jurisdiction' nonsense is that it's just some more cheap oratory to keep his peeps raging, hating, and on the edge of violence," says civil rights lawyer Michael Rose of Trump's latest gambit to impose law and order.

D. Angus Lee disagrees. The criminal attorney sees a police force that's been steadily winnowed, both by new District Attorney Mike Schmidt's decision not to prosecute protesters for many previously prosecutable crimes, and by city officials scrapping programs that, in Lee's view, kept the community safe. 

"Mayor Wheeler should immediately bring back the Gun Violence Reduction Team," he said.

The two attorneys come from different perspectives. Rose was marching for civil rights in the 1960s; Lee is a former Marine born in 1977. Rose currently has a case in federal court over "cops [who] pepper-sprayed our client for no good reason"; Lee wonders why his client, Patriot Prayer founder Joey Gibson, has not had his rioting charge retroactively dropped when so many others, under Schmidt's new rules, have.

The two attorneys—Rose is based in Portland, Lee in nearby Vancouver, Washington—offered to share some thoughts with Reason.

Do you see this latest move by Trump and Barr as justified? 

Lee: Federal tax dollars are allocated by way of grants to local law enforcement agencies that need—and will actually put to use—grant funding in an effort to enhance public safety. If a local jurisdiction has lost the political will to uphold the law then there is no point giving grant funds to that jurisdiction when those funds could be better used in a jurisdiction where the prosecutor was actually committed to public safety and rule of law. If the funds are being wasted [in Portland], they should be allocated to a jurisdiction that will put them to good use.  

Rose: I find Trump's characterization of Portland as an "anarchistic jurisdiction" laughable, first because he hasn't a clue as to what the words mean, and secondly, if he did know what they meant, he'd be wrong about the characterization. What needs to be kept in mind is that the "anarchistic" property damage is, by all reports, being done by a fairly small cadre of young white protesters, only opportunistically connected with Black Lives Matter and the underlying purpose of the ongoing demonstrations. 

Even so, they create a problem for management—namely Mayor Wheeler—because, well, blowing stuff up and smashing windows and flames catch a lot of attention and opprobrium. Since they're dramatically visible, something appears to be needed to deal with them. Something, Trump prefers, loud and violent. To be fair, Wheeler's been in a tough spot. On the one hand, in relatively progressive Portland, his constituency is comprised largely of people who are critical of the police and supportive of Black Lives Matter; they don't want to see the cops being encouraged to ever-escalating round[s] of violent discourse. On the other, the police are, well, they're the police, and a mayor can't come down too hard on the police union. 

Do you think the designation will be followed through on?

Lee: I have served as an elected county prosecutor and have been involved in the federal grant process. Denial of grant funding will happen unless these jurisdictions start to uphold the law. All federal law enforcement grants are reviewed annually. The receiving jurisdiction needs to show evidence each year that the grant funds are being put to good use. Currently, Portland-area law enforcement can't make a good-faith claim to be interested in community safety so they will lose the grant funding eventually.

Rose: I have no idea if [Trump] could unilaterally and whimsically adjust the flow of already-allocated funds by executive order, but I have no doubt that Barr will try to come up with some kind of seriously half-baked justification. If I were I to bet a quarter on it, I'd bet it doesn't go anywhere. 

Have local/state officials acted in the interest of citizens? If so, how did we get to 100-plus days of escalating tensions?

Rose: The interests of the residents of Portland would be best served by reining in the cops and making them subject to meaningful civilian, rather than internal paramilitary, control. That's not easy, because of the aforementioned [union]. Nonetheless, I think the interest of the people of this city would be well-served by working toward a humane (and non-racist) but effective police force, and it appears that we have neither. If there is a reason that there is still tension after 100-plus days of protest it is largely because the city hasn't really done a damn thing to address the issue that's being protested.

What of D.A. Schmidt's decision to not prosecute protesters accused of protest-related crimes, such as disorderly conduct and rioting?

Lee: Schmidt's policy is both bad for the community and likely illegal. A prosecutor simply does not have the authority to usurp the role of the legislature and decide that certain activity is no longer criminal and will not be prosecuted when engaged in by those who share Schmidt's political views. Under his policy, he has listed several state crimes that will not be prosecuted. But Oregon state law (ORS 8.665) makes very clear that, "Upon the issuance of a citation by any person authorized to issue citations for violations, a district attorney shall prosecute the case if it appears that a violation has occurred." The use of the word  "shall" indicates a mandatory obligation.

For Schmidt's office to flatly refuse to comply with a statutory duty violates Oregon's official misconduct law (ORS 162.405): "A public servant commits the crime of official misconduct in the second degree if the person knowingly violates any statute relating to the office of the person"—and could subject him to criminal prosecution.  

Rose: Having represented countless protesters over the last 45 years, people get prosecuted for the chippiest stuff, and each arrest radicalizes one more person and is a potential cause for aggravation for the city. It got to the point, under our two previous DAs, that protesters were arrested on criminal charges which wound up being reduced to violations less serious than a rolling right turn. The whole arrest/prosecution process became nothing more than a way to break up demonstrations with some heavy-handed crowd control. The bulk of the protesters who were charged were charged with such things as disobeying a police officer and disorderly conduct and, realistically, many of those charges were simply made up after the fact to justify the police action to clear the street. Most of these were not people who needed to be arrested and prosecuted under the criminal law. Schmidt has done nothing more than recognize this. Good for him.

I am of the opinion that many of the young demonstrators are living in a post-political world and don't give a fig about [Democratic presidential contender Joe] Biden or Trump, though the latter gets them riled. Will being designated an anarchistic jurisdiction city deflate them or put more gas in their tanks?

Lee: The designation will have next-to-no long-term impact on the children running wild in the streets of Portland. At this point, what is going on in Portland has absolutely nothing to do with justice, equality, or civil rights. Nothing. It's just a power trip, and they just want to see how far the mayor and prosecutor will let them go.

Rose: For those who are actively engaged in the conduct the designation is directed at, I'd guess to the extent that they care what designation they get, they will respond to it in the spirit of Al Jolson: "You ain't heard nothin' yet…"

What steps need to be taken to incur some calm in the city—or is Portland past that outcome?

Lee: Restoring order would be easy, but Wheeler lacks the political will needed to stop the insanity. The sad thing for all of Portland is the people are ready for the mayor to put a stop to this but he's afraid it will hurt him in the election. He is putting his campaign ahead of the safety of the good people of Portland.  

Rose: When the rains of winter are upon us, the streets will calm down. Or, the city can actually start addressing the problem of excessive force being directed excessively against people of color.

Bonus question: Thoughts on mayoral candidate Sarah Iannarone?

Rose: I try not to; it's way too early.

Lee: The only thing everyone in the Portland area can agree on is that Wheeler is a failed mayor. When the mayor has proven he can't lead, it's time for Option B. In this case, Sarah Iannarone has something very appealing about her as a candidate in this race: She's not Ted Wheeler.  

These interviews have been edited for style and clarity.

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  1. Anarcho-tyranny is still anarchy. And tyranny.

    1. Anarchism is not chaos.

      1. @ Alphabet soup:

        The two are NOT mutually exclusive

        1. Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are not mutually exclusive, yet one is not the other. How does that work?

          1. No, they’re not, yet belief in one is likely highly correlated with belief in the other.

            Likewise, anarchy and chaos seem highly correlated.

            1. Merriam Webster

              Anarchy: Absence of Order

              Chaos: A state of utter confusion

              1. They are effectively the same thing, anarchy isn’t a stable condition it’s a state of transition.

                If someone advocates for it, it’s probably because they don’t think their real plans for replacement of the status quo will be super popular even by comparison.

                It amounts to bait and switch.

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              2. A matter of degree then.

              3. Anarchy in a political context means “absence of a state”; it’s statists who like to confuse that with “absence of order”.

                1. “Anarchy” in a political context has historically meant “prelude to totalitarian collectivism”

                  1. Aye, something about anacyclosis.

                    Anacyclosis

                    I believe, if this is at all correct, that we would be heading for a monarchy. Many people are openly advocating for one right now today, but some people always do.

                    1. A benevolent monarchy is probably preferable to a democracy. The problem is that benevolent monarchs tend to have children.

                    2. I lol’ed, nice one. My Texas Politics professor in college referred to himself as a beneficent dictator, so it’s especially amusing to me.

                  2. The definition in Wikipedia is pretty good: Anarchy is the state of a society being freely constituted without authorities or a governing body. It may also refer to a society or group of people that entirely rejects a set hierarchy

                    The “prelude to totalitarian collectivism” connection only arises because communists consider anarchy as their end goal, after having transformed man and his consciousness, and they try to use totalitarian collectivism to get there.

                2. Anarchy is the barbed-wire minefield inside the deadlines between two weaponized forces. It is coercion and war, NOT a successful government with armed citizen militia protecting individual rights by making the initiation of force too expensive a proposition. In short, it is exactly the communist bomb-throwing by looters it always has been. It’s just that after Auschwitz, Treblinka, Siberia, Gulags and Berlin Wall, they now prefer to call it “libertarian” in hopes the crowds will lynch US.

      2. It’s not chaos. It’s anarcho-tyranny, when the government diligently enforces minor regulations like mask and social distancing mandates but is unable or unwilling to enforce laws against felony crimes like arson and murder.

        1. If they are enforcing things such as mask laws and distancing mandates, then they are enforcing something and it is by definition not an anarchy. Portland is being governed poorly, but that is not anarchy. Words mean something.

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  2. Long story short, Rose is a lying, leftist shill.

    1. Rose was marching for civil rights in the 1960s

      If ever I saw a red flag…

      1. Nice. Frankly, I could only read up until her first reply. That’s all I needed to ascertain her ideological stance on reality.

      2. Seriously? In your book, having marched for civil rights in the 1960s is a black mark? WTF.

    2. +1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

    3. Long story short, Rose is a lying, leftist shill.

      The giveaway is when asked “What of D.A. Schmidt’s decision to not prosecute protesters accused of protest-related crimes, such as disorderly conduct and rioting?” Rose’s response is the standard “historically petty crimes have been used to break up legitimate protests.”

      It’s a favorite tactic – “let’s not talk about what these people are doing, specifically – I’d rather talk about an injustice that happened to people doing something more noble long ago.”

  3. Yeah that’s good pick another mayor who is even more left wing batshit crazy.

    1. Yeah, the problem is that the pro-protestor current mayor, who actually joined the mostly peaceful protests and got tear-gassed by mostly peaceful federal shock troops, isn’t sympathetic enough to the protestors.

  4. I really like that Rose went to the white knight school of law for his answer in the first question. These rioters aren’t BLM they don’t have their BLM notorized cards and a video of their swearing in ceromony

    1. They are just opportunistically taking advantage of every protest. The protesters are doing nothing to stop them. She admits they don’t want the police to stop these mysterious violent people. And they keep having protests even though these protests give these “opportunists” the opportunity for violence.

      But BLM isn’t violent and the protestors should in no way be associated with this violence. I can’t figure out if she is really that dishonest or really so fucking stupid she actually believes that.

      1. If I was at a pro-gun rally where someone started shooting in cold blooded murder, I would shoot at those murderers.

        We have yet to hear any stories of peaceful BLM protesters turning in the violence rioters, arsonists, and assaulters.

        These riots are from the Commie playbook but luckily, America doesnt not tolerate the rioting and violence that allowed Socialist Hitler to gain power.

        1. If anyone at a pro gun rally ever murdered someone, ENB, this dumb bitch, and every other leftist excusing this shit and claiming “but not all the protestors are bad” like it matters would slander every gun owner in America as a psychotic killer by association.

          1. If someone at a gun rally murdered someone, they would deserve the Darwin award they would be awarded immediately afterwards. That person was no shit too dumb to live.

            (Assuming they had no children, of course.)

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      2. “I can’t figure out if she is really that dishonest or really so fucking stupid she actually believes that.”

        Both.

    2. next Reason will explain why the pro-Antifa mayoral candidate isn’t Antifa

      1. unreason does not even explain how Nazis are Socialists and how “antifa” is trying to hide how they are the actual Fascists.

    3. Is she wrong? I thought they were more aligned with antifa, anyway.

      1. You are almost always wrong.

  5. Even so, they create a problem for management—namely Mayor Wheeler—because, well, blowing stuff up and smashing windows and flames catch a lot of attention and opprobrium. Since they’re dramatically visible, something appears to be needed to deal with them. Something, Trump prefers, loud and violent. To be fair, Wheeler’s been in a tough spot. On the one hand, in relatively progressive Portland, his constituency is comprised largely of people who are critical of the police and supportive of Black Lives Matter; they don’t want to see the cops being encouraged to ever-escalating round[s] of violent discourse. On the other, the police are, well, they’re the police, and a mayor can’t come down too hard on the police union.

    That paragraph is just a very meely mouthed and wordy way of saying that people are destroying property and “blowing stuff up” and the city authorities refuse to arrest them or prosecute them or do anything to stop them. But, somehow Trump is laughable to say Portland has degenerated to anarchy.

    It is not anarchy. There are just people running around burning and destroying property and setting off bombs and the police and authorities refuse to do anything to stop them. That is literally what this dumb bitch is saying put into plain language.

    1. The paragraph is saying “both sides”.

      The silent but sane majority doesn’t want their town burned to the ground and all their businesses destroyed.

      The mostly peaceful protestors don’t want to be arrested, charged with multiple felonies, tried, convicted and sent to the state penitentiary for extended sentences.

      Seems like there’s an obvious answer here.

      1. She is saying that there is all this violence and the authorities won’t do anything to stop it. Yet, somehow that isn’t anarchy.

        Calling her a dumb bitch is an insult to dumb bitches.

        1. It’s also ignoring that just because you voted for someone who will allow you to do it, you still don’t have the right to burn down someone else’s property.

          Her analysis covers what rioters want and what the police union wants. It does not cover what an affected property owner would want. A bunch of random retards saying “we want to be able to burn your property down” isn’t a valid opinion that a mayor should be considering.

          1. The article says “her” name is Michael.

            1. It’s 2020, who am I to judge.

              I was just using John’s pronouns anyways, I don’t actually care which gender spouted that nonsense.

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            2. I guess the last name is Rose. I assumed it was the first name.

              But, as Fat Mike says, who are we to assume it is a he?

          2. During the Shining Path Peru uprising, the gov’t arrests and crackdown against the “armed struggle” actually gained the terrorist organization sympathy and more of a following. BLM/Antifa are pushing for a violent crackdown, local or federal.

            BLM Antifa =Shining Path. The feds are correct to try to completely dry up their fed funds. Lets see what the locals will vote for and what they want. Are the locals really that far left?

    2. To be fair to Wheeler, in June he asked the Governor to send in the National Guard.
      Governor Brown Stain refused.

  6. ROSE = ASSHOLE

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  8. >>I am of the opinion that many of the young demonstrators are living in a post-political world

    is living in a post-political world being a loser with nothing better to do?

    1. They are just attacking police and demanding the creation of a communist dictatorship in an ironic non political way or something.

      I am of the opinion that woman is a complete moron.

      1. I think she’s trying to dance around the fact that these people don’t vote, and don’t believe in voting, and are advocating to tear down society and remake it into Soviet-style dictatorship run by members of a particular race.

        They can’t come out and call that racist or bad, because their heads will explode, so they have to dance around the subject. They’ll call this a ‘nuanced view’, which is half-true I guess, but ultimately they’re caught in a mental trap of their own creation.

        1. >>They can’t come out and call that racist or bad.

          *can* … won’t. not post-political, just douchebags.

          1. They’re post-political in the sense that they are done with the American style of politics, and the fact that they’ve moved on to radical marxism and violent revolution is simply not mentioned.

            They could have also called it post-democratic or post-American but I suspect even that would be too close to the truth and would be too ‘ugly’ for them to say. They certainly can’t say ‘pro-marxist’ or ‘pro-black state’. So you define them by what they aren’t.

            The more vague they can term things, the better it fits into the overton window.

  9. How can antifa run for mayor of Portland, when antifa is a right wing conspiracy theory?

    Also, wasn’t this the plot of a half-season arc on Gotham?

    1. Antifa is just a rightwing meme. Ignore their multiple twitter accounts and people running for office in their name.

      1. And the fact that they even have their own flag they routinely fly at “protests”.

        1. Not only a flag, but a flag with history… it used to be flown by German communists.

    2. On Gotham the mayor was a secret crime lord plotting the downfall of Gotham. Then he was replaced by the Penguin, an actual crime lord.

      The funny part was when the Penguin (as mayor) started licensing criminals and cut crime in half. Criminals with a license were free from retribution. Criminals without a license were dealt with, well, harshly, and without burdening the courts.

      1. In the old days neighborhoods run by the Italian or Irish mafias were virtually free from petty crime or any crime not sanctioned by the local boss. Shooting anyone who commits a crime does have one hell of a deterrent effect.

        1. I have a teeny bit of personal experience with this.

          During the 1980s I was staying in the Bronx with my family for my sister that was having an experimental procedure done at St. Barnabas Hospital. We stayed in a hostel near Arthur Avenue, which was the Bronx’s ‘little Italy’. For those too young to know, the Bronx at that time literally looked like downtown Beirut and was a real crime-ridden hell hole.

          The neighborhood around Aruthur Avenue, in contrast, was almost like Mayberry– yet totally surrounded by urban decay. We met a lot of the locals who lived in the neighborhood at that time, many Italian, some Jewish, and they all had the same story: No one dared come into that neighborhood and steal so much as a hubcap.

          1. And people say private police wouldn’t work.

            Sure you have to pay the protection money, but at least those guys deliver on the service they’re selling.

            1. There was a time in So Cal in the late 80s, early 90s when the police realized that the Mexican gangs in the barrios were actually functioning as law enforcement and found that they had much more success reducing crime working with the gangs than with trying to eliminate them.

              1. Indeed. I think one could say that the biggest problem people might have with the Mafia, I mean outside the obvious, is that their punishment for not paying taxes is pretty egregious.

                I’ve often made the point that gangs and organized crime function as a local government in many ways, it’s just that it’s a style of government that went out of vogue a few hundred years ago.

                1. That is true. They also enforce laws with the death sentence in most cases and are not real big on due process.

                2. it’s just that it’s a style of government that went out of vogue a few hundred years ago

                  And it’s no coincidence that it appears among populations who don’t trust the local official authorities. Can’t get justice from the police? It’s time to go to the Godfather.

                  That’s the thing the So Cal police learned – the Mexicans didn’t trust them and wouldn’t talk to them, but the gangs knew everything that was going on and kept the worst elements in check.

                  Sort of harkens back to the anarchy discussion going on above – absent true rule of law, most are willing to settle for a stable tyranny.

                3. Eric Garner would say our existing overlords are also pretty vicious about tax collection. That is if he hadn’t been strangled to death for not paying tobacco taxes.

        2. Back in the 60’s, my Aunt’s husband emptied their accounts and ran off with some floozy, leaving her abandoned with children to raise. (Fortunately they were kitty corner from us on the other side of the block, we had them over for dinner a LOT.) It was a BIG local scandal.

          A guy actually showed up at her door one day, stating that he was a Mafia hit man, and offering to do her husband for free. I had no idea that hit men did pro bono work.

  10. Another excellent article by Rommelman, aside from Robbie and occasionally Nick and Stossel, she’s one of the very few doing actual journalism here.
    You could replace the entire B-Team, plus Welch, with a few more Nancy’s and make Reason great again.

  11. I find Trump’s characterization of Portland as an “anarchistic jurisdiction” laughable, first because he hasn’t a clue as to what the words mean, and secondly, if he did know what they meant, he’d be wrong about the characterization.

    Rose apparently doesn’t know “what those words mean”, or he is just lying. The term “anarchism” refers to absence of a state or failure of a state to protect its citizens.

    What needs to be kept in mind is that the “anarchistic” property damage is, by all reports, being done by a fairly small cadre of young white protesters

    When applied to political movement, “anarchism” refers to movements that seek to abolish the state, specifically communist and Marxist movements. The label is correctly applied to BLM protesters. However, Trump did not designate the protesters anarchists.

    only opportunistically connected with Black Lives Matter and the underlying purpose of the ongoing demonstrations.

    Trump designated the jurisdictions as anarchistic; meaning that government in those cities is failing to protect citizens. The term “anarchism” in that designation is not related to the ideology of the protesters (which often happens to be anarchistic), but to the failure of the state to act.

    1. Technically, Portland would be a “failed state”, not “anarchy”. In a failed state, you have all the downsides of government, but it doesn’t deliver the upsides; You pay the protection money, (taxes) and don’t get the protection.

  12. and to consider withholding federal funds, including potentially those used for law enforcement, from those cities.

    So Trump merely wants to… defund the police? What the fuck are we even talking about then? Progressives should be falling all over themselves to vote for this guy. Democrats must be kicking themselves.

      1. And who are the protestors in the parable?

        1. The Mongols who came through immediately after, killing all fighting aged males, then raping and enslaving the women.

          1. How lucky!

        2. The protesters are the kid who breaks his leg.

          1. No offense, but you didn’t understand that parable at all. I was trying to be gentle about it.

  13. Few have latched onto the energy of protest more than Iannarone, who has been on the front lines dozens of times, refers to herself as an “everyday anti-fascist,” and has declared, “I am Antifa.”

    LOL.

    1. “Goddamn tired of watching reporters, medics, legal observers, peaceful protesters, and, yes, vandals getting targeted, arrested & assaulted by Portland Police,” Iannarone tweeted July 2. “F*ck you, Ted Wheeler, seriously.”

      And she’s a real fuckin’ grownup. Vote for her, Portland. Do it. I’m going to donate to her campaign.

      1. There’s two on the ballot. she and Teddy.

        That’s it.

        1. Cake or death.

          Oh, and we’re all out of cake.

          So, more of an ‘or death’ situation.

  14. “Savages coming to your town!” or “Protesters clubbed by Trump goons!”
    Why aren’t the Protesters & Savages called Biden goons since they are in fact goons to the democrat party?
    Why is anyone who defends themselves agains Antifa/BLM violence called a trump supporter?

  15. Rigidly insisting that your one narrow definition of a word is the only operative definition is certainly one path to political power.

    Banging on your own toes with a ball peen hammer is another.

    Not sure which is better.

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  17. The other about this situation is how somehow the protestors are not violent yet it never occurs to them to stop protesting and pursue their politics by other means. They keep having protests every night. And these protests are peaceful except that they provide an opportunity for these violent people to show up and do all of these bad things. A sane person might think that the protests are not worth it. That is if they saw the violence as a bad thing.

    The constant lying by reason, this stupid bitch, as well as the rest of the media and assorted leftist internet trolls pretending that anyone who goes to these protests is peaceful and doesn’t support violence has gone beyond even insulting. It is just absurd. BLM and Antifa are violent political movements and the people who support them support violence. It is what it is.

    1. They have achieved as much as they can with the political process, at least in Portland. They’re already free to burn anything they don’t like, and the opposition is even more in the bag than the existing administration. Voting in Portland accomplishes nothing, they’ve already achieved the desired end state.

      Their problem is that the rest of the country isn’t Portland. The idea that other people don’t agree and don’t live the same way is unacceptable, which is why they get on buses to places like Kenosha and burn shit down there too.

      That’s the lesson that needs to be driven home by the right. These people will not live and let live. They will not leave you alone. As long as there is a single person in this country that doesn’t buy into what they’re selling 100% they will be on the warpath.

      1. No they will not. They are coming to your town. At first they will end up dead. But there will be more following them. And the left will do everything it can to ensure that anyone who defends themselves ends up in prison or dead themselves. This nasty bitch is right about one thing. It isn’t anarchy in the sense of a complete absence of government. The government is still there. In fact in Portland the rioters can fairly be called an agent of the government. Their job is to terrorize the populace into submission.

        They used to call that fascism.

        1. This^^

          Kyle stood up and did the right thing. The question now is, will we do the right thing and return Kyle to the front line ASAP?

          Any trial there is will be rigged by the DA. Are we going to allow this or do we impose the Constitution upon this DA?

          That is the fight.

          The battle is in Portland but the war is in the Mayberry courthouse and the Dems are cheating and winning.

  18. We here in Florida just don’t get the citizens of Portland and Seattle.
    Our governor has just proposed making it a felony to throw objects at the police and the citizens are 100% in agreement.
    I have to say that if these violent mobs started here in Florida we will call the police. If the police did not restore order we would form a citizens self defense group and keep them out.
    Win extreme violence.

    1. This Florida Man agrees

  19. Jesus, this guy….

    “ Rose: When the rains of winter are upon us, the streets will calm down.”

    Doc Holliday: Now I’m sure of it. I hate him.

    1. By then the rains will weep o’er his halls
      with not a soul to hear.

    2. Rose: “…….. to keep his peeps raging, hating, and on the edge of violence.”

      Haha. Wow.

  20. I have to say, one of these two lawyers sounds fairly reasonable, and the other sounds like he thinks there aren’t enough Molotov cocktails in circulation.

  21. So now BLM is going to disavow white Antifa as the ones responsible for the violent protests,?

    1. It would be the smart move, politically speaking.

      1. And it is not entirely untrue. I had very close up experience with the protests in DC. Nearly all of the violence was committed by white people. In fact, since this was June and people were still a bit idealistic, a good number of black people showed up thinking it was a peaceful protest only to be shocked and repelled by the violence that happened.

        Basically, everyone hates woke white people. It is the one thing that really could bring the races together about something.

        1. It is the one thing that really could bring the races together about something.

          And as bleak as things superficially look right now, I think we’re on the precipice. As I was commenting to my wife recently, this is how racial strife finally dies – when race crusaders get so absurd that everyone unites against them.

          I think BLM has a few months to either disavow the Marxism, the anti-traditional-family stances, and the violent LARPing from white “allies” before they lose support from black people, who in my experience as a general rule have little patience for that shit.

          1. A lot of well meaning people black and white supported BLM because they had no idea that it was really a Marxist front organization. And they showed up at those rallies thinking they would be real protests and instead saw they were riots.

            You wouldn’t know it from the media, but BLM destroyed its good will with the public over the summer. BLM held a march on Washington in August. It was done on the anniversary of MLK’s march on Washington and was held on the national mall. As late as the end of July, the city and feds were estimating from 100 to 200 thousand people to show up.

            You know how many people actually showed? A little over 7,000. I am not kidding. The media lied and covered it up by reporting it as “thousands march..”. That is technically true. It was thousands. But it wasn’t anything like you would have thought it would have been.

            I was stunned by the numbers being so low. The mayor was her typical bitch self and insisted on social distancing and all that nonsense. The fact that she did that shows how much less popular BLM had become because she could have never done that in June. And even with the distancing bullshit, 7,000 is a shockingly low number. It was the anniversary of the MLK march and DC is majority black for God’s sake. And they still couldn’t draw a crowd. I think BLM is finished with most of the public.

            1. I think BLM is finished with most of the public.

              Its only chance at this point is if the phrase can be lifted from the organization and just turned into a platitude, which already tends to be the terms on which people defend it at this point – i.e. as a benevolent sentiment unrelated to the organization.

              1. Its only chance at this point is if the phrase can be lifted from the organization and just turned into a platitude

                Queer Affirming?

          2. Except BLM is run entirely by woke white people who happen to be black

            1. Except BLM is run entirely by woke white people who happen to be black

              And who don’t think that the “actual” black people see that (i.e. ‘regular working-class church-going black folk’). This will be its downfall, since it’s actually blindingly obvious to those folks.

              I also predict that Kamala isn’t going to be embraced by the “Black Community” quite as warmly as Democrats are counting on. What they’re doing there is another thing that’s not quite as opaque as they think it is.

              1. The Ugandan Giant never held a belt in the WWF. People like champs.

          3. I think BLM has a few months to either disavow the Marxism

            Given that the founders of BLM describe themselves as “trained Marxists” I think that’s pretty unlikely.

            1. I mean the ‘movement’ needs to move away from the organization if it’s going to continue being a thing. The organization is toast and will be marginal within five years if it doesn’t get co-opted and gutted by the Democrats first (in which case it will be diluted into empty platitudes and used for fund-raising – which is already happening, really).

              1. Yeah, the problem with that is, the organization HAS organization, and if there’s one thing Marxists are good at, it’s infiltrating and taking over. Getting disentangled from them once you’re in bed with them is easier said than done.

                But the Democrats won’t gut BLM, historically they like to have goon squads on tap, they just change the name the goons hide behind periodically. Used to be BAMN, now it’s BLM, tomorrow something else.

        2. Not if you look at who is doing the actual looting, in Chicago, NYC, ATL, Minneapolis, or anywhere else

          1. Those are the looters. The rioters are white and enable the looters. The protesters are of many races and enable the rioters.

            1. ^ This guy gets it. The looters don’t give a shit about any of this – they just want free TVs.

              1. I’m sure they do want free TVs, but the looting is too organized for that to be all of it. There’s serious organization behind the looting, I think the riots have become self financing by charging for opportunities to loot, or something like that.

        3. Gosh, John, that sounds like you are saying these protestors in Portland are not BLM. That’s awfully White Knight-ish of you.

          1. They are BLM. I am not almost saying that at all. Fuck off

  22. I agree with Trump on this. If a state or a city political officials tells the police (any branch of the police) to stand down and not interfere with rioters or any other group committing crimes against the state or individuals of that state should lose all federal money for the police.
    Since most of the riots this year and even since the Rodney King incident have been primarily in liberal/progressive controlled cities and state I would also like to see the federal SALT deduction to also go away. I live in an no income tax state and the states that have lower taxes than these democrat controlled states and cities have to pay more in federal income taxes to make up for these SALT tax deduction from these states. Thus the other states are paying part of the tax burden of these high tax states yet we have no vote on how that state nor city uses those taxes.
    I would think that all voter and taxpayer in lower state and local tax state should also want this so we will not be paying taxes via the federal government to these high tax states.

    1. If Lee is correct in saying, “All federal law enforcement grants are reviewed annually. The receiving jurisdiction needs to show evidence each year that the grant funds are being put to good use.”, then there is already a mechanism to deny further Federal grants to Portland law enforcement. There is no need for the political theater of declaring Portland as being an “anarchy”.

  23. I am an antichrist
    I am an anarchist
    Dont know what I want but
    I know how to get it
    I wanna destroy the passer by

    Cos I wanna be anarchy !
    No dogs body

    Anarchy for the u.k its coming sometime and maybe
    I give a wrong time stop a trafic line
    Your future dream is a shopping scheme

    Cos I wanna be anarchy !
    In the city

    How many ways to get what you want
    I use the best I use the rest
    I use the enemy I use anarchy

    Cos I wanna be anarchy !
    The only way to be !

    Is this the m.p.l.a
    Or is this the u.d.a
    Or is this the i.r.a
    I thought it was the u.k or just
    Another country
    Another council tenancy

    I wanna be anarchy!

    I wanna be an anarchist
    Oh what a name
    Get pissed destroy !

    John Lyndon lays it out honestly and succinctly.

    1. I use the enemy

      I always heard that as “I use the NME.” Which I thought was kind of clever.

      1. Double Entedre for sure. Lyndon is quite clever indeed for a evil shitbag

        1. I think my favorite moment of his was when he was being asked about people who say he’s a talentless moron and responded something to the effect of “I’ve loudly declared that I have no talent since the beginning, but here you are interviewing me 25 years later, so who’s the moron?”

          1. And my least favorite was him lounging in a recliner by his pool on his estate in France talking about how you have to be working class in order to really understand punk rock.

    2. John Lyndon lays it out honestly and succinctly.

      Interestingly enough, Lydon openly said in 1978 that he had modeled the Johnny Rotten character on a Peter Hammill concept album character called Ronny Nadir, who was intended as a satire of punks.

      It’s never been fully clear to me how self-aware Lydon is, which to his credit is part of his schtick.

  24. Hey Nancy why are you still risking your life by being in Portland? Aren’t you scared Antifa is going to harm you in someway? I thought you didn’t like “the people” in Portland? When Portlanders exercised their first amendment rights to boycott your husband’s business I thought you had enough and needed to leave? You’re especially brave(and magical) for posting this without your phone and camera since they’ve been stolen. If “the people” are that bad and dangerous why are you still in Portland putting yourself in harm’s way? It can’t be that the right wing media is exaggerating the violence and blaming the mostly peaceful protesters for mob rule in the city? No it can’t be that because only the MSM lies. Andy Ngo would never collude and pal around with the far right patriot prayer folks and edit his videos to make him and his buddies look like victims. He would never exaggerate his injuries and set up a GoFundMe to bilk people. Only the MSM and Antifa friendly news media would do that.

    I know most commenters are going to call me names and a liar. What would I know? Other than the fact that I live around here… Because seeing selectively edited videos and reports from journalists who aren’t objective is way more informative than actually being there.

    There’s always been knuckleheads in Portland who take advantage of protests or whatever to cause trouble. There’s more than there used to be because of the opiod epidemic and Trump’s election firing people up. Trump and the people with his dick in their throats say most or all of the peaceful protesters are violent or are somehow responsible for the violence. I’ve read and heard so many outrageous lies or exaggerations from Trump and his supporters about Portland. The vast majority of Portlanders are going on with their lives, and want the violence stopped. You’d think the city is mostly Antifa anarchists the way Trump and the people with his dick down their describe things. If Portland is such a liberal shithole then how come the price of housing keeps rising? Most normal Americans don’t wanna live in such an awful place right? That’s why places like incest ferry and cousin fucker gulch are exploding in population. Normal Americans are rural Trump supporters and the marxist Clinton/Biden supporters in cities are just a vocal minority. You can’t trust things like “votes” or “facts” if you want the whole story. Just like in Portland. The small group of knuckleheads causing trouble means everyone in Portland is to blame(except the conservatives of course). Never let the “truth” get in the way of forming a narrative that makes you and people like you look the best, and the people you oppose look the worst. The truth never lies in the middle.

    I’ll pray for you Nancy. If you’re in PDX long enough the black block, Antifa thugs will abolish the police and kill you and the suburbs. Get out while you still can.

    Sorry about grammar and typos. My phone sucks and I don’t have time to proofread. Send all the mormons to the gas chambers!

    1. ^^Someone off his meds…

      Dude. Your arguments conflict with themselves.

      Your IQ is showing and it ain’t pretty…

      1. What arguments conflict with themselves?

      2. Sarcasm is harder to detect in print, so maybe you’re confusing the sarcastic parts. If you pointed out what you think is conflicting I’d be able to check.

        Also I don’t know how you’d be able to see my IQ over the internet, and I wore pants today. So even if we did meet in person it would be covered up.

    2. “Hey Nancy why are you still risking your life by being in Portland? Aren’t you scared Antifa is going to harm you in someway? I thought you didn’t like “the people” in Portland? ”

      I would guess it is because she has lived there for a long time (since some of these rioters were in diapers), actually cares about the city, and feels the need to expose the truly fascist tactics these rioters are using to destroy and ruin her city.

      You should thank her for her bravery to keep going out and exposing this mob of terrible humans.

      1. She wrote an article when she moved that said her husband and her still liked the city, but “it’s the people.” I’m simply pointing out why she’s back when she doesn’t like us? She’s not brave! The right wing vigalentes won’t attack her because their buddies. If Antifa mobs have taken over the city then how is she still there? If they keep stealing her camera and phone how is she reporting?

      2. “ruin her city.” SHE DOESN’T LIVE HERE ANYMORE AND WROTE AN ARTICLE BADMOUTHING THE CITY AND “THE PEOPLE” WHEN HER HUSBAND AND HER LEFT. Right wing Pearl District yuppies like them can stay the fuck out for all we care. It’s not “her city.” She only lived here so her husband could sell shitty coffee to people they don’t like. Good riddance!

        1. You say that you live in (or near) Portland?

          You must fit right in. So full of hate.

          1. Portland born and bred, and when I die I’ll be a Portlander dead. Have you been to Oregon? What makes you think “full of hate” fits in here? Nancy wrote an article talking shit about Portland, but now she’s back talking shit again. If Antifa mobs are so dangerous then what is she doing in Portland? Isn’t she worried about her safety? Or are Trump and the far right kooks exaggerating and lying about the protests and the violence? We don’t need or want her lying ass or Trump’s DHS goons in our great city.

            Again don’t know where you got “hate” from.

    3. I know most commenters are going to call me names and a liar.

      Why would they? You haven’t really said anything.

    4. I know it sucked when the “Book of Mormon” road show got canceled in Portland. But you need to move on. Did you have tix?

      I don’t think it was Mormons behind the cancelation. I hear a lot of LDS like the show.

      It was just another COVID-19 causality, but I’m sure it will tour again post-pandemic.

      1. What does the Book of Mormon musical have to do with anything? I’m not interested in Matt and Trey’s pro-Mormon propaganda. The Mormon episode of South Park shed light on their backwards, wrong beliefs. However, the ending was too sympathetic. In real life the Mormons would keep trying to convert them until they would give up and never talk to them again. It’s church policy to ostracize apostates and heathens. If you can’t convert them then fuck em is essentially the LDS church policy. Send all the mormons to the gas chambers!

  25. I agree with Rose. Let that shithole burn to the ground.

  26. The lesson in this is that anarchist has always meant violent communist in every language in the world. Republicans gleefully bandied it about during the People’s Party bloom of the 1890s. Search “arnychist” for Mr Dooley’s commentary on the subject. In 1972 they began adopting libertarian coloration and infiltrating suckers who would put up with them. Google News Archives record all this, and the sooner those lampreys are tossed back into CPUSA, the better the LP’s vote gains. The Looter Kleptocracy is good at competing with looters, and will stop at nothing to make the LP into that.

  27. “A prosecutor simply does not have the authority to usurp the role of the legislature and decide that certain activity is no longer criminal and will not be prosecuted when engaged in by those who share Schmidt’s political views.”

    Uh, OK. Someone needs to tell the prosecutors because the last time I checked, they think their discretionary authority is without limit.

  28. True anarchists are not going to be imposing order on anyone unless per chance actually being forced to defend themselves. Imposing order means governing others in objectively valid fashion.

    Leaders reference anarchists as people who don’t follow their orders, which makes sense to leaders. But imposing order makes little sense to true anarchists.

    If people calling themselves anarchists were actually breaking the law, they should be called criminals.

    However, calling other people anarchists injects idea that law & order, its status, has come into question. It may be a sloppy way to declare that law cannot be followed under the circumstances or isn’t being followed by authorities: representatives of law fail to do its job or default on correct performance of the job, so its typical beneficiaries have no choice but to become anarchists, being those orphans of law that isn’t being administered functionally-correctly.

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