Teachers Unions Push Families Out of Public Schools
Kids are beside the point when government officials and union leaders keep them waiting on labor negotiations that serve everybody but students and their families.

New York City residents still dependent on public schools received good-ish news this week. The teachers' union—which threatened to strike unless the city met its demands for COVID-19 precautions—finally came to an agreement with Mayor Bill de Blasio and Schools Chancellor Richard A. Carranza. Under the deal, union leaders get to say they protected their members' interests, while city officials get to claim that schools are safer than ever. And parents get to figure out what to do with their kids during unplanned days of idleness as the beginning of classes is pushed back a week and a half.
"Under the terms of the agreement, all New York City public school buildings will remain closed to students until Sept. 21, while final safety arrangements are completed, including the assignment of a school nurse to every building, ventilation checks and the presence of sufficient protective and cleaning supplies," boasted the United Federation of Teachers (UFT) labor union. "The decision on whether to reopen a building to students will be based on the UFT 50-item safety checklist, including social distancing of student desks, the availability of masks and face shields, and a room-by-room review of ventilation effectiveness."
"This is a great day for every public school student in New York City," insisted de Blasio. "We face a return to school unlike any in our city's history, but New Yorkers have made it possible because of their extraordinary work fighting back COVID-19. Our agreement puts the health and safety of our 1.1 million students, teachers, and school staff above everything else."
The announcements resolved weeks of uncertainty for students and parents that saw the UFT threatening to strike as recently as the day before the deal was finalized. Families counting on the public schools for their children's education had no way to know if they were actually going to get any education in return for the $25,000 that New York City schools extract from taxpayers and spends per pupil every year.
The UFT isn't alone in its brinksmanship. Unions from Sacramento, California to Andover, Massachusetts held up the reopening of government schools, overtly using kids as bargaining chips to extract concessions over working conditions.
The United Teachers of Los Angeles went further, at one point demanding wealth taxes, police reform, and a moratorium on charter schools as necessary preconditions for reopening public schools. The union settled for remote-only classes.
Threatening strikes and refusing to show up for work have been effective tactics so far, since there's a lot of leverage to be had in keeping parents uncertain as to the educational fate of their children, or even as to where they will spend the day while their parents work. But the labor actions have also created openings for education alternatives.
Private schools, learning pods, microschools, charters, and homeschooling approaches offer parents options that suit their preferences—options that can usually be adopted without waiting on the pleasure of third parties with their own agendas. With their public spats, last-minute agreements, and one-size-fits-few compromises government schools and teachers unions are handing unprecedented marketing opportunities to the competition.
"If your school in the Greater Boston area has a delayed opening or is going fully remote, check out our website to find a Catholic school near you that is offering live in-person instruction," tweeted the Catholic Schools Office of the Archdiocese of Boston on August 28. "All are welcome—learn more today!"
"Do you know what you are doing for school this fall?" Prenda, which offers a model for microschools, posted on Facebook on August 27. "Join us to learn more about Prenda Family, our full-service at-home education program with a learning model, community, and curriculum that is designed to help your kids become empowered learners."
In other cases, parents tackle education with a DIY approach.
"Nobody working in education today can escape pandemic learning pods: the increasingly popular phenomenon in which families band together and hire a private tutor to offer in-person learning to a small group of children," The Washington Post noted this week.
Families that have neither the resources nor the inclination to pay tuition or a share of a tutor's fees are taking on the task themselves and discovering that education doesn't have to be expensive.
"Interest in homeschooling has 'exploded'," the Associated Press reports. "Some are worried their districts are unable to offer a strong virtual learning program. For others who may have been considering homeschooling, concerns for their family's health amid the coronavirus and the on-again, off-again planning for in-person instruction are leading them to part ways with school systems."
Kids are increasingly being educated by their own relations, or in co-op style by groups of like-minded parents who share responsibilities for a pool of children.
The move by motivated families who can manage education alternatives even as they pay taxes for institutions plagued by squabbling amongst union leaders and government officials has some people worried about inequality. Public schools are poised to become the Medicaid of learning—lower-quality government offerings of last resort.
If—when, more likely—that happens, education bureaucrats and union officials will have nobody to blame but themselves.
"Somewhere along the way, I believe we flipped the purpose of this," New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo told the New York Daily News editorial board during a 2015 discussion about schools. "This was never a teacher employment program and this was never an industry to hire superintendents and teachers. This was a program to educate kids."
But, as Cuomo acknowledged, kids are beside the point when government officials and union leaders keep them waiting on negotiations that serve everybody but the people who depend on public schools. So families are leaving to explore the world beyond.
And as families grow accustomed to choosing what works for their children rather than accepting what they're given, fewer of them are going to be eager to return their kids to the roles of hostages in labor negotiations. If we're serious about educating everybody, all families should be allowed the freedom to do the same.
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Stop calling them "public schools" and call them what they are: GOVERNMENT schools.
If you want to use a little rhetorical flair, you can call them indoctrination centers.
If they use the proven false 1619 project propaganda, you can call them racist indoctrination centers.
But muh Pulitzer Prize!
I suppose you prefer the Trump curriculum of a mandatory viewing of Song of the South to depict the slave years.
Song of the South takes place during Reconstruction, but whatever.
Yeah, cute how Tony out-rubes the rubes he hopes to insult.
Why would you suppose that? To set up a straw man so you can look like you won an "argument"?
Tony loves attention. Craves it. Needs it.
Heck, we all do I guess...but there are better ways than to always be the contrarian. I know, I used to do it a lot...until I learned not to.
“If you want to use a little rhetorical flair, you can call them indoctrination centers.”
Bull Shit.
I’ve notice that those who are quick to bemoan public schools, are the first ones clamoring for them to reopen.
"I’ve notice that those who are quick to bemoan public schools, are the first ones clamoring for them to reopen."
I'll bet that passes for clever reparte' to you.
It's not; it's bullshit.
It’s not clever. It’s an example of the non sequitur logic prevalent in our society today.
If most conservatives really believe that public schools are really that bad, why are most conservatives upset when the state tells them that they do not have to send their child to public schools?
Here, the state is specifically telling parents NOT to send their children to these “ indoctrination centers“....and the only logical response is to demand that these “indoctrination centers“ remain open.
This should have been a win for alternative choices, but was squandered just to make a hollow political statement.
Your comment was a non sequitur, Robert, as well as an unsupported assertion.
"If most conservatives really believe that public schools are really that bad, why are most conservatives upset when the state tells them that they do not have to send their child to public schools?"
Do "most" conservatives believe government schools are bad? If so, how is "conservative" defined, what percentage of conservatives believe this, and how do you know? Additionally, what evidence do you have that "most conservatives" are "upset" about the state telling them they don't have to send their child to government schools?
Otherwise, this is an unsupported assertion, what you previously referred to as "Bull Shit."
So wait a sec....all these post I’ve been reading here in the comments about the poor quality of public schools..about how they are left leaning “indoctrination centers”, spreading communist and socialist ideals.....are all from progressives?
That’s novel.
"So wait a sec….all these post I’ve been reading here in the comments about the poor quality of public schools..about how they are left leaning “indoctrination centers”, spreading communist and socialist ideals…..are all from progressives?"
Is that strawman heavy? Need help? There's plenty of lefty dimbulbs around to give you a hand.
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Did government schools not teach you how to use an ellipsis either?
That may be true until of course there is an alternative. School vouchers makes a great alternative to failing public schools that pass children through and graduate students that can't do 6th grade math or reading. 25,000 a year will get your child into a great charter or private school and is more then the cost of a religious school.
Return my tax money, feel free to close them forever. Super lame comment.
You could fire every teacher and close every public school, and your taxes wouldn’t go down one nickel.
Robert, half of property taxes in my area go to government schools. I would sure love to have my property tax bill cut in half.
Return my tax money, feel free to close them forever. Super lame comment, btw.
It's one word, Robert. You also don't need that comma in the second sentence. Looks like you got
educatedindoctrinated good and hard in government schools.I use bull shit rather than bullshit to demote a small pause between the syllables for effect(or is that affect?)
The extra commas here, and there, are not needed; however are indicative of everyday, informal speech patterns typical when talking to someone.
They're indicative of a government school graduate.
"I’ve notice that those who are quick to bemoan public schools, are the first ones clamoring for them to reopen."
Am I getting my money back that I pay into them?
The current argument is to reopen these left leaning, communist indoctrination centers and get the children in school as fast as possible.
If the argument is about taxes, make the argument to reduce taxes.
I wrote a letter to the editor using that phrase. Some lady responded they are public schools. I wanted to ask her: 1. Who collects the taxes to pay for them? 2. Who pays for the buildings? 3. Who pays the teachers? We need to hammer on that.
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It's very interesting. Schools here in CA have also been pushed to the week of Sept 21.
At first I would think this some sort of coincidence. But seeing as how lock step these decisions are across the country, (Gov Newsom, CA, actually changed his rules to prevent some counties from opening this week), I wonder what is behind it.
Tinfoil hat time- what is so important to keep people in their houses until the end of September? Is it to make the last jobs reports before the election look bad? What else could it be?
What else?
Just a raw power grab by the now openly fascist democrats.
They want to rule every aspect of your life, and are happy to use your own kids for blackmail.
Maybe the pandemic. Could be the pandemic.
And sometimes that's just cover for screwing over the taxpayer you purport to serve.
Like most districts around her, my brother's ran surveys among parents and staff as to whether and in what capacity kids should receive in-person instruction. There was a split (75% of teachers expressed concerns about returning; 65% of parents wanted/required some form of in-person teaching) which the union & administration resolved by implementing a full virtual program for the first half of the year requiring exactly one hour per day of direct instruction. A real public service, there.
It's ironic: teachers have spent ages pumping themselves up as essential workers and now that the distinction requires some sacrifice they cower away from the ramifications.
Yes! So please demand that they open these left leaning indoctrination centers so that they can continue to use children as blackmail!
Newsom changes things on the fly not because of science but because he can and the lefties here love every word he speaks. he even changed the "threat levels" from numbers to colors now it makes as much sense at Bush's terrorist watch color chart thingy. No one has a clue to whats going on and thats the way they like it. If you don't know what the rules are you can be punished for anything at any time.
In Michigan, Gov Whitless had a press conference earlier this week, and everyone expected her to open up gyms and high school sports, etc. She didn’t, saying she is still waiting for “The Science” to support the decision. Then the very next day she said they could open. WTF kind of science changed overnight?
Such bullshit. Science can't tell you what is a tolerable risk, or whether the social and economic costs are worth it for what is gained by the forced closures (though hopefully, science will eventually be able to tell us what if anything was the effect of that and other policies on virus transmission).
We have plenty of data from countries around the world that opened schools and the world did not end.
France re-opened schools way the F back in May, and Sweden never closed middle school and elementary schools, just to name two.
Coronavirus to children is several times less dangerous than:
1. The Flu
2. Driving in a car
3. Swimming Pools
So yes, the science (ie. data) has been available for months now.
"...Gov Newsom..."
You misspelled "Emperor".
Threatening strikes and refusing to show up for work have been effective tactics so far
Are the unions under an existing contract? Does this violate the terms of that contract? FIRE THEM.
Now, ask the teachers' unions about Qualified Immunity. No, seriously, ask them about it.
Qualified immunity aside, why should anyone be sued for anti-creationism comments?
That's why they get qualified immunity. And it's why the teachers' unions defend qualified immunity.
My point wasn't to pick a unsympathetic case, I was merely pointing out that they've used it. Plenty of unsympathetic cases if you'd like to google. One listed in the link above. The point is, you're not fighting the police on this, you're fighting a large swathe of public sector unions, almost all of which have the Democrats in their pockets.
Just don't expect a refund on all those school taxes you've been paying.
Why should they? I don't have children and have been paying to indoctrinate other people's kids in government schools for years. Muh social contract!
Remember "It takes a village".
You're welcome.
Why would you get a refund on money that wasn't yours in the first place?
Wut?
Are you saying the tax money that is taken from you by force is not actually your money "in the first place"?
Yes. Your money is the money they graciously allow you to keep.
No, that's "their" money you're only borrowing.
And, you didn't build it, either.
But if you like it, you'll get to keep it.
The IRS calls that money "tax expenditures".
Exactly, if they cut your taxes, the government (aka 'the Democrats') call that an expenditure or (funding cut).
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My grandkids have all been moved to private schools so they can attend school. Precautions are there because it makes sense. No strikes, no black or green mail, no wealth tax. Why wait around for indoctrination?
One friend of mine already took his kid out of school. Going to try to figure out how to homeschool him and keep the state off his back. I can see a lot of others going that way.
So many people just love the idea of public/government schools, that I'm afraid not much will change long term. But it looks like school is going to be utter bullshit this year, so maybe something really will change.
In our area the public schools are online for the first two months but the private schools are open with draconian restrictions. My kids private school does have a drop in enrollment of about 15 percent from last year.
I think possible reasons for the drop in enrollment are that some families are homeschooling, some might be sending them to public schools because the tuition isn't worth it with all the restrictions, and some might not be able to afford it due to job loss or reduction in income.
"Teachers Unions Push Families Out of Public Schools"
And that's a bad thing?
After the Prenda Law debacle, I just can’t take any company that calls itself Prenda anything seriously.
The Devil wears Prenda.
Your mom wears Prenda.
My son's kindergarten class was team taught by *three* different teachers and most of the kids ended up needing remedial reading support in first grade. I should have pulled him then. Team-teaching kindergarten is purely for the benefit of the teachers' schedules (they wanted to work part time) to the detriment of the students' education.
I would think that a kid should be able to read a Dr. Seuss book before kindergarten.
I went to public school in Los Angeles; they utterly failed to teach me to read. I was probably 5 or 6 years old before my father took it upon himself to teach me how to read. Starting with flashcards, he was able to do what the public schools were not over a summer break. Soon after I was reading The Hobbit. Were it not for him, I would have been at a serious disadvantage.
Glad your father realized what was going on and intervened. Your writing is solid, so he must have done well.
I could read before kindergarten---wait for it, wait for it--because my parents taught me how to read. It's the parents' duty to ensure their child can read, not government schools' duty.
I can't remember not being able to read. Or being taught to read. I think I just picked it up because my parents read to me.
Of course, not all kids are that quick to learn, or have parents who give a shit.
Thank you!
I did not come from a family culture of reading. My mother read constantly, but she nor my Father would not read to me or my other siblings.
My wife, on the other hand, was read to by her mother from a very early age. She is a markedly better reader than myself.
We (mostly my wife) have read to our children literally since before they were born. We read aloud to them while still in the womb. It made us feel good, likely nothing more, but we continued reading to them for many years. Now, at 11 and 13, our two children are very strong readers. They also write very well.
Many parents regardless of socioeconomic class do not assume the responsibility to be their children's educators, and these are always the same parents who put so much unrealistic pressure on the school when their child falls behind of the rest of their classmates.
My 2 cents...
Thanks,
Jim
Professor Farnsworth learned to read while he was still in diapers... At the age of 7
How well your child reads is up to you, as their parent.
This situation reminds me of the Boston Police Strike. The police decided to strike, with the backing of their union, and Calvin Coolidge (governor of Massachusetts at the time) was of the mind that police have no right to strike, being public servants and critical to maintaining order. The entire police force was fired and replaced in short order.
I'd love to see a repeat in this circumstance. These teachers, being public servants, have no right to strike. They agreed to be servants. A servant doesn't get to make the rules. They serve. If they don't like it, go get a real job.
"If they don’t like it, go get a real job."
You don't think teaching is a real job? I mean, let's forget about all the lesbian PE teachers for a moment. Think about chemistry and algebra and writing teachers. You don't think those are real jobs? You think they are easy? You think they are easy if you're a libertarian?
Can we resurrect Calvin Coolidge and put him in charge again? He was probably the best president. Certainly of the 20th century.
The unions seem to have finally dropped the mask that was their mantra of 'it's for the children.'
The union is for the workers. Do you know what a union is?
Yes. Unions are formed so that employees can leverage their numbers against the exploitation of the workers by their greedy employer who does not care about them. Remind me, who's the employer of teachers?
So it it the case the government is a greedy, exploitative employer who does not care about its workers? And this is the same government some people want to have more control, and hire more people to more things for the rest of us? Like provide healthcare?
Even FDR thought the same. Turns out there’s no good reason to take basic freedoms away from people just because they work for the government. Turns out that’s the last bastion of workplace rights in the country. (Which is why they are scapegoated by people like you.)
Didn't FDR oppose, quite vehemently, public employee unions?
If government is so great, why do its workers want unions?
It was never for the children at any time.
It's all for (fill-in-the-blank) until it starts costing someone time or money, then it's all for themselves.
Human nature.
Our schools teach White kids that they are immoral and contemptible if they don’t support the White Genocide that is being carried out by massive 3rd world immigration and forced diversity in Every and Only White countries.
Their teachers never tell them, “White self-hatred is SICK!!!“
Their teachers claim to be anti-racist. What they are is anti-White.
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White.
"the White Genocide that is being carried out by massive 3rd world immigration"
When do the trains leave the station for the camps and furnaces?
I am white, descendants of European families for centuries, as are my two children.
I am proud of this, and teach my children to be also. No more, or less, proud of anything else actually. Just proud to have had such kick-ass ancestors!
The sin of White Privilege is akin to the Catholic idea of Original Sin.
"Sorry kid, you got the sin in you. You are a SINNER! Bu hey...it's not your fault, you were born that way. No, nothing you can do to get it out of you...except...except...just do what I say.".
Fucking sickening...
That’s really not what it’s about. It’s not really about you or your feelings at all.
Given that it isn't about history or reality, it is all about feelings. Just like most of left-wing thought.
"Our agreement puts the health and safety of our 1.1 million students, teachers, and school staff above everything else.""
Yep, above everything else, particularly their education.
You don't get education in government schools. You get schooling. Two totally different things.
“[...]$25,000 that New York City schools extract from taxpayers and spends per pupil every year.”
You fucking serious? My kids’ ritzy private school doesn’t cost this much, and despite the megabucks they spent to go way overboard on CV precautions and much, much, MUCH better education.
Teacher's unions represent one group: teachers. They do not represent students, or parents, or the general public, or "the greater good" in any sense. If there is any conflict in which the interests of the teachers are at odds with the interest of the students, parents, or general public, unions will back the teachers. That is what they do. That is why they exist.
You could say something similar about any union.
"Nobody working in education today can escape pandemic learning pods: the increasingly popular phenomenon in which families band together and hire a private tutor to offer in-person learning to a small group of children,"
"Somewhere along the way, I believe we flipped the purpose of this," New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo told the New York Daily News editorial board during a 2015 discussion about schools. "This was never a teacher employment program and this was never an industry to hire superintendents and teachers. This was a program to educate kids."
Charles Murray in his book "In Pursuit of Happiness and Good Government" devotes a chapter to the question of "Why can't we pay teachers more?" In which he discusses the balance between teachers who teach for the love of teaching children, who get a special level of respect from parents paying the teachers (directly) that offsets the lower pay. Paying teachers more attracts people who do not love teaching, but want a job and the schedule teachers generally have (e.g., summers off, more or less). The more teachers demand, the more they appear as money-grubbing self-interested people, and their respect dwindles.
I don't remember the entire discussion, but there were Venn diagrams and such to illustrate the points, which started from the premise, historically, a community of parent would hire a schoolteacher (like Little House on the Prairie). The first quote here made me think of it.
As a parent of two (6th and 8th grade) I have watched this hysteria-driven trainwreck unfold in real-time, and have watched it closely.
Teachers in the U.S. now seem impervious to science. Teacher's Unions and Administrations simply ignore, or are unaware, of the very clear data that shows that children rarely, if ever, get seriously sick or die from Covid-19. In fact, twenty states report exactly zero (0) deaths under 20, and less than 50 people under the age of 20 have died, and nearly all had serious other health issues).
Seven (7) people under 20 have died in Canada, and one (1) person under 20 has died in Sweden.
Meanwhile, influenza, swimming pools, guns, and auto accidents account for 1,000% more children deaths that does Coronavirus.
No matter, because we now live in a society where all the evidence one needs to put forth an objective assessment on anything is simply a matter of how one "feels".
I have heard, and read, that teachers "...don't 'FEEL' safe" and this equates to them felling like they are in fact NOT safe.
No evidence to the contrary will stem their hysteria. The data out of European nations that either never closed elementary/Middle schools (Sweden), or did, but promptly re-opened them in May, with no adverse health results, bounces off people.
We have been wrapped in a science-proof teflon coating of Fear Porn.
And the embarrassing level at which too many parents I have seen operate their Helicopter around their child, going through the day absolutely terrified that their child may get hurt, or FEEL bad (god forbid!), or actually struggle, and who do everything to keep their children immune from such "micro aggressions", and we have the perfect storm of hysteria-driven parents, Fear Porn Media, an administrations who are scared out of their nut that they will catch holy hell from these sociopath parents, coupled with Teacher's Unions who have lost sight that schools are there for children, not for the teachers.
The Perfect Storm.
I am embarrassed for my country. We have no sense of reason, no sense of calm when approaching coronavirus.
I feel like I am stuck on a boat full of scared lunatics who are freaking the F out because there is a very small, easily-managed hole in the bottom of the boat, and everyone but me is panicking and in a state of hysteria and fear...but nobody is addressing the small hole in the bottom of the boat. So, we slowly, slowly sink...
In fairness, the teachers are mainly concerned about the risk COVID poses to them and their families. This is warranted even if children truly transmit with less frequency than adults (because they still have adult colleagues sharing the same air all day), but that population can be managed and prioritized to service those parents that would prefer virtual instruction.
Unfortunately, public educators have long ceased to believe that the idea customer service could ever apply to their line of work (if they ever did).
Yes, I understand this. The fear they have of transmission also does not match the data.
We know that the risk of coronavirus illness and death for those under the age of 60 and otherwise healthy is very, very low.
On the order of 1 in 10,000 (0.02%) for say a 55-year-old healthy individual, and that is only after he or she actually becomes infected.
Age and health-condition overall Infection Mortality Rates (IFR) tell us quite clearly, and have for five months now, that we can isolate/quarantine the elderly and those with underlying health conditions, while the rest of us get back to normal.
The numbers could not be more clear. Yet, we continue to live in fear, which inhibits us as a society from absorbing and analyzing the data in a calm, reasoned manner.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02483-2
My numbers I listed are in line with those recorded in nations around the world, give or take.
It is important to also understand that the IFR for those between 45 and 64 in England may be 0.5% (one in 200), but 80% of those deaths are of people who had at least two, and sometimes 3+, underlying conditions. So, adjusted for health, the IFR for otherwise healthy people between 45 and 65 is only 0.01% (0.5% x 20% [the healthy]).
So, adjusted for health, the IFR for otherwise healthy people between 45 and 65 is only 0.1% (not 0.01%) (0.5% x 20% [the healthy]).
0.03% overall IFR under 44, and 80% of those deaths had underlying health issues, so IFR in England for healthy people under 45 is just 1/5th of 0.03%, or about 1 in about 12,000 (if my math is correct).
These odds and low % rates become so minuscule below 55 and healthy that it is on par with driving, drowning, or falling off a ladder.
Okay...I will shut up now 🙂
i'm sure you are right, but really FUCK THEM. if they're concerned for their safety let them quarantine themselves as is proper, not shut the school down. that's retarded and selfish
WELL STATED COLO JIM!!! BUT BE ASSURED THERE ARE MANY WHO ARE WITH YOU. I AM.
dumbass union hacks are stepping on their own dicks...and hastening the migration to charters and private schools.
the teachers are displaying the PUREST of selfishness at the PUREST expense of the student. shame on them...
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NJ is the perfect example of schools in the US and NIMBY.
-Top rated and overly expensive. and VERY SEGREGATED. but, hey progressive often means pay 3x as much for something to keep the rif raf out.
Newark parents are begging for school choice, the party (democrats) who spend 23 hours a day talking about people of color, are against school choice. Just, mooooreeeee money. Bring up systemic racism, then send the students to failing schools where many drop out having children at early ages. Rinse and Repeat. Both parties suck.
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