Portland Protests

When You Say Yes to Hate: Dispatch From Portland

The situation in Portland on Day 87 is not getting better.

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C. and I arrive at Justice Center in downtown Portland on Saturday a little after 11 a.m. Unlike the night demonstrations, in which protesters pelt police headquarters with fireworks and flaming trash, the few dozen people this morning are waving American flags and shouting, "Blue lives matter!"

Which is not popular with the crew across the street, who shout back "ALL COPS ARE BASTARDS!" and that all cops must die.

Even the good ones?

"There are no good ones," an Ojibwe boy wearing a medicine pouch tells me. 

He cannot name an instance where a police officer has done good for someone?

"You need to step six feet away from him," a kid at the curb tells me—and, regarding my question about the police, "I am going to totally KICK YOUR ASS!"

So good morning from Day 87 of the protests in Portland, Oregon. This one is a little different: It's organized by Back the Blue, a group showing its support for police, support that includes a caravan of Trump-supporting motorcyclists who roar up and form a barrier between the opposing sides.

The call-and-response continues.

"All cops are brave!"

"Especially when they're wearing white hoods!"

"God, what a mess," says what looks to be a homeless dude, just before he wings a full water bottle at the flag-wavers.

"The Proud Boys are 100 deep and on their way in, on the MAX [light rail] train," says C. She's referring to the alt-right group behind today's "No to Marxism in America Rally," planned for noon. Last year's meet between the Proud Boys and antifa resulted in just about zero face time, in part because Portland police coordinated with various factions to keep the groups apart.

Things are different this year. Though the action is taking place directly in front of police headquarters, there is not, for the length of today's confrontation, one officer in evidence. Instead, there's a message through a bullhorn several times an hour, "This is the Portland Police Bureau. Our priority is the preservation of life and the protection of everyone's First Amendment [right] to speech… We recognize there are groups with different views gathered here today…"

The message's coda, to "Stop participating in criminal activity," does nothing to stop the anti-cop side from throwing eggs, throwing rocks, and shooting fireworks across the street. They are primed to fight, and they've been practicing every night since late May. The movement has grown from grief and outrage over the killing of George Floyd to demands for the abolition of all police and all forms of what it considers state-sponsored oppression.

The oppressors now appear to include anyone inside their homes at night. For two months the protests—which during that time were mainly protests, with people of all stripes and ages marching in relative peace for the cause of Black Lives Matter—were in the main held at the courthouse blocks where we are today. But the dynamic has now changed. Each night, usually at 8 p.m., the black bloc—the by-any-means-necessary wing of the movement, named for their all-black clothes—meet at a park somewhere in the city and march to the closest institution they deem problematic (police stations, social services buildings), which are graffitied, set on fire, pelted with trash and sometimes feces. Last week they added a new twist, marching through residential streets late at night and shining lights into people's homes, demanding they wake up, that they get "out of the house and into the streets!" These nightly campaigns take place citywide; residents have no idea if or when it will come down their block, which does not make for a peaceful night's sleep.

"I feel, as a community member—we came from East Portland, Cherry Park neighborhood—and as one of many mothers in that neighborhood, we want to see the violence and the rioting end," says Christa, a petite woman standing next to a stroller holding her three children, ages four and under. "We want the city council to make a stand, to make some tough calls. We believe in peaceful protest and Black Lives Matter and all these issues. We do not agree with the collateral damage that is happening to our city. We love Portland and downtown is being ravaged by the ongoing riots; businesses are going out of business. It's just very frustrating."

She holds over her head a sign that reads "WHEELER/HARDESTY—DO SOMETHING!" What does she think Mayor Ted Wheeler and Councilmember Jo Ann Hardesty should do?

"Hardesty needs to step up and support the police doing their job," she says. "People have the absolute First Amendment constitutional right to protest. They do not have the right to destroy property or assault individuals."

Christa is drowned out by the canned police announcement asking people to stop antagonizing each other.

"Right. 'Stop criminal behavior,'" she says. "The problem is, the district attorney refuses to prosecute once they're arrested. In essence, they're promoting ongoing violence by not having any consequences."

Would it be better if the police had a presence here today?

"Honestly? If the police were out here right now, it would just escalate the situation," Christa says. "When you have such a polarized issue, anything can add fodder. The police show up, this could very well turn into a violent situation."

It's already a violent situation: Proud Boys and black bloc screaming in each other's faces, golf balls and eggs being launched, pepper spray and smoke bombs making everyone cough, and the kid who promised to kick my ass whacking the sidewalk with a thick six-foot pole.

"USA! USA!

"BLM! BLM!"

"This is the Portland Police Bureau….We recognize there are groups with different views gathered here today…"

"It's a testament to the passivity of Portlanders that someone hasn't gotten shot," says Kevin. Right, I tell him. Portland is not Pocatello, or Chicago. If someone is eventually shot by, say, someone who feels their home is under threat, the protesters will then have a martyr, who will be held up as proof of a racist system. It's a bit of a finger trap, really.

"And exactly their plan," he says. "For people who claim to be anti-fascist, they're awfully fascist in their tactics."

This "free speech for me but not for thee" manifests, too, in the anti-fascists constantly taking pictures of me, taking pictures of my notes, and, one time, taking my phone. The Ojibwe boy heckles me for 20 minutes. Someone posts photos on Twitter, identifying me as a "fash." 

"I don't like you," a man I have never met tells me. "You spread propaganda."

What?

"Don't deny it, I've watched hours and hours of you online," he says. When I press him for these propagandistic details, he spends 10 minutes telling me he doesn't know exactly but doesn't need to know to know I am an enemy. He then galumphs toward the black bloc side, and I think how it makes sense for him to join a movement where he can feel integral without having to substantiate his reasoning, where the cost of membership is hating the people he is told to hate. As I watch him become subsumed by the crowd, another unidentifiable figure in black, I see him as no part revolutionary, more a meat-sack of insecurity.

I've encountered black bloc activists who, when alone, fold like a cheap suit, and also those who want to talk one on one, to maybe find a way toward progress together. This is not what is happening today.

A painter who's told me he paints the demonstrations because "they need to be captured in a medium other than film" gets a face-full of bear mace. A black bloc "medic" rinses his eyes with milk of magnesia. Five minutes later, C. pukes from the pepper gas.

To quote the homeless guy: What a mess.

"And it's not going to stop until the mayor and the governor let us do our jobs," a Portland police officer later tells me. Which neither have been inclined to do, framing the protests as peaceful when they visibly and exponentially are not.

What, I ask the officer, will it take for the nightly demonstrations to stop?

Maybe violence, he says. "You have a 24-year-old white kid who lives in his mother's basement get hit upside the head? He's not going to come out the next night."

The violence right now is not being doled out by the absent police, nor by the Proud Boys, who a little after 2 p.m. have started to march south. The black bloc contingent, which grew considerably as the afternoon wore on, follows close behind. Tom Petty's "I Won't Back Down" plays as the Proud Boys are pursued through the empty streets of downtown. A dozen young people in black run up the ramps of the Unitus Plaza building, looking like cat burglars, looking to cut off the Proud Boys, to continue the fight. What else are they going to do in a COVID-closed city on a Saturday night?

But the Proud Boys have apparently ditched, heading not into the streets but directly to the MAX train. There will be no more fight with them tonight.

There will, apparently, be a little more pepper spray.

"I can't open it," says a young woman, her eyes shut and streaming tears as she holds a bag of eye wipes. Two blocks later, C. and I minister to another girl similarly blinded.

"I used to love this city. I used to love waking up and knowing I lived here," says C., as we walk past people cheering and sloganeering in the park across from Justice Center. "Now I just feel bad. Not for Portlanders. For Portland." 

What will the park crew do on a Saturday night? What they do every night, which is take to the streets, maybe your street. They will tell you, via the same six or seven slogans, that if you are not with them, you're against them. They will call it love for their fellow man. They will claim they are righting historical wrongs, and who but a monster or a racist would object to that? They will call the destruction of property free speech, and average citizens, out of fear or confusion or not wanting to be seen as a monster or a racist (because who knows what terrors that might bring?) will say nothing, or squint hard enough to think yes, yes, it all makes sense, better to be with them than against them; better, maybe, to burn it all down.

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  1. Make sure to read the last paragraph, please.

    If you submit, you are as guilty as the marxists.

    1. These morons have become that which they hate: bigots.

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    3. I agree
      Citizens should be forming self defense militias
      I was amazed when my San Diego living,, retired doctor brother told me the violence is due to police officers pretending to be Antifa.
      He is convinced it is all a false flag operation by Trump supporters.

  2. Nancy Rommelman is by far the best Reason has to offer

    1. ^ This.

    2. She is certainly contradicting ENB’s assertions about antifa in the Roundup post.

      1. If ENB read this she would probably try to get Nancy fired.

        1. She’s probably give Antifa her address.

        2. After ENB recovered in her safe space.

        3. making a lot of assumptions there about ENB’s reading comprehension capabilities. If it has more than 2 syllables, she’s in trouble.

        4. I doubt ENB would disagree with anything in this article. But you guys go ahead and do your two minutes of hate.

          1. The firing bit is actually based on past behavior. ENB has openly agitated (published names using her much much larger platform against people with less than a 100 followers) to be unhirable because she didn’t like a joke they told. She has also openly celebrated a New York Times writer threatening to Dox the star codex blog runner.

            She’s legitimately an awful person who’s barely a skip away from trying to get a coworker fired for wrong think.

            1. Don’t sell her short. Day ain’t over yet.

      2. Please show your work. What assertion about antifa by ENB?

    3. It’s amazing how showing up at the scene and reporting first hand facts as you see them trumps bad writing and abject parroting of ideology. This was why I tended to listen to NPR despite the fact that they were fairly leftist.

      1. You mean actually going out and finding out the truth and writing it is better than just repeating the latest Journolist talking points? Big if true.

      2. Thank you for providing a Reason writer, some well deserved praise. We need more reporting like this. TYVM Nancy!

        I was really disappointed to read another Reason writer, C.J., who wrote:

        “… it did not abolish the federal prison system, Reason regrets to report.” I wonder if the Reason staff actually feels this way. I’d really like to understand why they’d support ending federal prison for pedophiles, assassins, terrorists, counterfeiters and other violators of federal crimes. It’s not a very libertarian position IMHO, to support not holding criminals criminally liable for crimes with real victims, without at least suggesting an alternative way of dealing with people who intentionally hurt others. It looks more like the Democrat position of not enforcing the law which isn’t working. Nancy makes that clear.

        Why didn’t the policeman answer “You have a 24-year-old white kid who lives in his mother’s basement get hit upside the head? He’s not going to come out the next night.”? Rather than “You have someone who got caught (vandalism, throwing rocks, breaking windows, …), arrested, processed at the police station for 8 hours and had to put up bail (oh right, no bail) to show up for trial, he’s not going to come out next night.” Those are the “tools” Democrat leaders have given to the police.

        With police “tools” like a “hit upside the head” it’s no wonder people in Democrat cities are protesting. But since “it makes sense for him to join a movement where he can feel integral without having to substantiate his reasoning, where the cost of membership is hating the people he is told to hate” the people in Antifa seem to be targeting Trump (who has nothing to do with how Portland runs their police) rather than the people running the police.

    4. I am very much enjoying her reporting. She’s doing a good job of being on site and not candy coating what’s going on, or it’s implication for the bigger picture.

      1. Excellent dispatches. They are the highlight of hit & run now

    5. “Nancy Rommelman is by far the best Reason has to offer”
      Absolutely agree. I continue to be impressed with her reporting and common sense analysis.
      From the sounds of it the Proud Boys planned to not engage in any violence and to leave before things could escalate out of control. In stark contrast to Antifa. Good on them.

    6. I was waiting for the punchline. Couldn’t figure out why a reason writer was making sense. I almost shit myself.

  3. This could be solved with the vigorous use of some flame-throwers.

  4. Break out the Sarin.

    I mean teargas. Yes. Definitely meant teargas.

  5. “What, I ask the officer, will it take for the nightly demonstrations to stop?”

    Stop the lock downs. Allow businesses to re-open. And then stop the unemployment assistance.

    Longer term, stop government-backed student loans which have no basis in the prospect of being paid back. Let gender studies and other modern-day basket weaving degrees wither away.

    1. At this point, it’s going to take a Kent State event.

      1. It’s what the Marxists and Anarchists want, and have been seeking to manufacture all along.

        1. Yes. Part of the blame for this lies with the national media and it’s coverage of Charlottesville. There, antifa showed up and started a riot that resulted in one of the Proud Boys or whoever running a car down a street full of people killing a woman. Had the media told the truth, the incident would have been blamed on Antifa just as much as the alt right people there. If a riot results in someone’s death, all the parties involved in that riot are to some measure responsible. Had Antifa not showed up and not started the violence, the incident likely would have never happened.

          Instead, the media blamed everything on the alt right and gave Antifa better publicity than it ever could have dreamed of having. As a result, Antifa decided that violence was a political win win. Either the other side did nothing, in which case Antifa gets to beat and terrorize it’s enemies with impunity (because the media will never report on Antifa violence) or the other side fights back and Antifa gets to be heroes and martyrs, which is even better.

          The media has enabled and aided this entire thing.

          1. Former VA governor Terry McAuliffe actually deserves most of the blame for C-Ville. He ordered the National Guard and state police to stand down and do nothing to separate the marchers from Antifa, knowing that a bloodbath would erupt that he could blame on Trump.

            1. Yes he does. But again, he wouldn’t have been able to make that calculation if Antifa had not showed up to start the violence. The blame goes on a lot of people. But the media lied and put it all on one side. And that just gave Antifa a template for how to use violence.

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            2. They wanted violence, so that they’d have an excuse to shut down the march a court had forced them to permit. It was deliberate.

          2. A Neo-Nazi and Confederate supporter who went up to support a White Supremecy Rally commits murder.

            “CLEARLY IT’S ANTIFA AND THE MEDIA’S FAULT!”

            You seriously don’t understand how idiotic you sound.

      2. That would only fuel the fire and prove Antifa right.
        What needs to happen is the People of Portland organizing their local militia, banding together and policing their own neighborhoods, outside of the influence of the municipal terrorists. Don’t “back the blue” Back the People, under constitutional law. The militia witnesses a crime, the criminal/s is placed under arrest. The municipal corporation B.A.R. shill won’t prosecute, don’t turn them over to the municipal corporation. Form a common law tribunal completely separate from any city influence, maybe, bring the county Sheriff in on it, if he/she understands their oath & obligations and if needed, start your own prison.
        This isn’t going to end while it’s in the hands of politicians.
        Make the entire municipal corporation irrelevant.

        1. LOL. So, you want to bring back Vigilance Committees, and think they’ll do a better job of policing than professional police?

          If the people of Portland organize their own militias in response to the violence, they aren’t going to be making arrests.

    2. yeah, let’s see:
      1. force people to stay home for months with no job and no ability to visit their friends
      2. pay them extra
      3. make them wear masks
      4. encourage them to go downtown and demonstrate in large numbers for social justice, ignoring previous fears about spreading COVID-19 at large events
      5. don’t arrest them unless they physically assault a cop, everything else is fair game
      6. don’t prosecute them when you do arrest them.

      What could possibly go wrong? You’ve just created a professional protesting class, set them on edge, encouraged them to riot, and let them wear masks while doing it.

      1. The genie will go back into the bottle after election day, right? Right?

        1. The money paying for their transportation, free legal representation, food and shelter will be going away, provided Biden wins. That should end most of it. Blue State city cops cracking protesters’ heads will take care of the rest. Reason might complain about it, but you’ll hear very little on major media outlets.

          Dems are already starting to crack down on the constant protesting/rioting, Kenosha excepted. Take a look at what Denver is doing, and what Chicago will likely start doing. The rioting probably polls terribly.

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  7. Portland isn’t that far from the Pacific Ocean. Close enough to bring back free helicopter rides.

    1. It wouldn’t be a libertarian comment section without some crazy nutjob praising Pinochet.

      1. Throwing political opponents into the ocean is a tradition across South America – for instance in Argentina:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_War

        “In 1983, the National commission on Disappeared People forced Scilingo to testify where he described how “prisoners were drugged, loaded onto military planes, and thrown, naked and semi-conscious, into the Atlantic Ocean”. A vast majority of those who were killed left with no trace or record of their disappearance.”

        1. You would have thought it’d have been the other way around: coldly rational, economically motivated Chile going for the efficiency of transport aircraft, while grandiose, dramatic Peron-loving Argentina would go for the spectacle and noise of the helicopter method for individual Communist removal.

          Both were very, very ugly. Maybe better than what Allende or the ERPs would have brought to their respective countries, but maybe not.

  8. They will tell you, via the same six or seven slogans, that if you are not with them, you’re against them. They will call it love for their fellow man.

    WAR IS PEACE

    They will claim they are righting historical wrongs, and who but a monster or a racist would object to that?

    FREEDOM IS SLAVERY

    They will call the destruction of property free speech, and average citizens, out of fear or confusion or not wanting to be seen as a monster or a racist (because who knows what terrors that might bring?) will say nothing, or squint hard enough to think yes, yes, it all makes sense, better to be with them than against them;

    IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

    Rommelmann gets it.

    1. In the modern vernacular, they’re calling speech they don’t like “violence” as justification for calling their acts of arson “expression”.

  9. Who are you and what have you done with (lack of) REASON magazine?

    1. She actually went to Portland and saw for herself what was going on. This is anathema to most of reasons editors who prefer the Twitter and Vox narrative instead of primary sources. Robby is probably the only other one who goes even 1 layer deep

      1. Boehm piece on the GOP hawks endorsing Biden was an embarrassing example of what you are talking about.

        1. Boehm is a child, who really does not know anything.

          Blame lies with the people who publish him.

  10. Someone posts photos on Twitter, identifying me as a “fash.”

    NANCY ROMMELMANN

    Looks like they got your number, Desert Fox.

    1. Still a magnificent bastard.

      1. I read her book!!

        1. She wasn’t there. She was in Berlin with an earache.

  11. BLM/Antifa are not protestors but terrorists. Their opponents can do no wrong.

    1. And in their mind, everyone they oppose is fascist so they can do no wrong.

  12. For those interested apnews.com has almost daily reports of the previous days events in Portland.

    1. and every day the local Portland newspaper has some variation of this headline: “Building awning set on fire during Portland protest; police declare riot, deploy tear gas”
      It’s Groundhog Day there without Bill Murray

      1. And no Andie MacDowell either. She’s still pretty hot at 62, also.

  13. Finally, a voice of some reason on reason.

  14. It’s not going to get better until they lose their exemption from normal law enforcement, and get treated like anybody else rioting would.

    1. No it won’t. This ends one of two ways; either Antifa finally figures out how to build bombs and conducts something akin to Oklahoma City or the public forms real vigilante groups that put a stop to Antifa via a bloodbath. I don’t see how it turns out any other way. It is just a question of which happens first.

      The Portland city government and the State of Oregon are doing nothing except setting the table for some kind of violent tragedy. Even worse than that, I think they are hoping it is the latter because it would allow them to claim the problem was really the evil right wing. If at some point, some Proud Boy or someone else decides they have had enough of this and finally shoots some of these bastards, it will be just like Charlotessville. The 80 days of rioting and lawlessness will be forgotten and the whole thing will be about the act of one person. Antifa rioting and creating the conditions for something like that to happen and the local authorities allowing them to do it will be forgotten.

      The people of Portland are totally screwed. If they do nothing, they lost their city to left wing terrorists. If they stand up, they will be branded criminals and Antifa heroes like they were in Charlottesville. But, they voted for the government that has allowed such a situation to develop. So, what can you say?

      1. This ends one of two ways; either Antifa finally figures out how to build bombs and conducts something akin to Oklahoma City or the public forms real vigilante groups that put a stop to Antifa via a bloodbath.

        Sadly you’re probably right about that. I suppose of the two options, the former would be preferable in the long run. At least then Antifa would show their true colors and some people might finally realize what they really are. As you say, if someone does go vigilante and kill some of these soy-addled retards Antifa will be branded “big damn heroes” in the media narrative.

        But, they voted for the government that has allowed such a situation to develop. So, what can you say?

        You get the government you deserve, good and hard.

        1. If Antifa does finally manage to kill a bunch of people, it will be interesting to watch the media lie there way out of it. As it is, they just ignore Antifa. You can’t find anything in the Washington Post or NY Times or any of the cable news channels except maybe Fox about what is going on in Portland. But if they set off a bomb and caused a real tragedy, there would be no way the media could avoid reporting on it. The media refuses to admit that leftwing violence could ever be a problem. My guess is they would call whoever did it a “lone wolf” and just some nut with a grudge and try and claim it had nothing to do with Antifa. Then within a few months, they would just claim it was an example of “far right violence”. Yes, they really are that dishonest.

          1. They’ll just do what WK does and deny they are part of BLM or antifa even if they yell their support on video.

            1. Yes they will. I don’t think that is going to convince many people, however. BTW, there is a video on Youtube where BLM is asking people to stop videotaping protests because it is getting people arrested. Gee, you would think they would want people to videotape and for the “violent thugs” as WK calls them to be arrested. Funny they don’t. It is almost like WK is a lying sack of shit or something.

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          2. My guess is they would call whoever did it a “lone wolf” and just some nut with a grudge and try and claim it had nothing to do with Antifa. Then within a few months, they would just claim it was an example of “far right violence”.

            Yeah, they’ll probably claim it was a false flag or something. Even if the perp has a long social media history of posting extreme left wing horseshit and explicitly states that they did it in order to start a Marxist revolution or some shit.

          3. they would blame Trump for inciting violence and not allowing Democrat mayors and city councils and governors to reform their police forces.

            1. Wasn’t someone on here a couple weeks ago trying to argue Harris will appeal to law and order Republican voters because Trump let the riots get out of hand? It’s already started.

        2. They’re clearly trying to get some kind of mass shooting event provoked before the election so that it can be used as news fodder.

          I think they understand that if Trump gets re-elected, the gloves are likely coming off and it will be open season on them.

      2. The Oregon state police showed up in Portland to help, after the Feds left. They left town when they realized the DA wouldn’t prosecute the rioters they arrested for various felonies, saying they would go somewhere that cares.

        1. “…we are inclined to move those resources back to counties where prosecution of criminal conduct is still a priority.”

          Still hilarious that OSP said that. https://www.nationalreview.com/news/oregon-state-police-withdraws-from-portland-courthouse-after-d-a-announces-he-wont-prosecute-most-rioters/

      3. The next step is the Weathermen route. Especially if Trump wins.

        1. Then, DeathWish, if we want to stay in that era’s trend

      4. Nothing will happen until after the election. Wheeler is taking is marching orders from the DNC. This is organized chaos.

    2. The prosecutors are going hard on the Proud Boys and still letting antifa off without even a warning. It is the definition of political prosecution at this point.

      1. Which means that there’s a third possibility. Instead of normal people killing antifa, maybe they take out the mayor or DA instead like the garbage they are.

        1. I’m idly surprised that hasn’t happened yet with one of the more lockdown-happy Governors. Great that it hasn’t, of course, as that rarely ends well or quickly. But it is surprising.

  15. “The movement has grown from grief and outrage over the killing of George Floyd to demands for the abolition of all police and all forms of what it considers state-sponsored oppression.

    The oppressors now appear to include anyone inside their homes at night . . . . Last week they added a new twist, marching through residential streets late at night and shining lights into people’s homes, demanding they wake up, that they get “out of the house and into the streets!” These nightly campaigns take place citywide; residents have no idea if or when it will come down their block, which does not make for a peaceful night’s sleep.”

    This is an orchestrated violation of their property rights. They’re terrorizing these people. Can’t help but wonder what these “protesters” will do to these neighborhoods when someone finally decides to restore order.

    I suppose explicitly threatening the people who liver there seems tame by comparison to the arson these “protesters” are perpetrating.

    June 2019 Arson in Portland = 15
    June 2020 Arson in Portland = 59

    https://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/71978

    (59-15)/15 means arson was up 293% in June 2020 compared to June 2019. The Portland police department hasn’t updated their website with the July numbers, but I see not reason to suspect that they aren’t similarly elevated.

    If President Trump is to be faulted here for anything, it’s for failing to send in the National Guard already. Reading the link below, I don’t believe the president requires the consent of the governor. If these kids are still roaming the streets, terrorizing people, and burning buildings down come November 3, after the colleges have opened again–and President Trump is reelected–there won’t be any good reason to believe these “protesters” are leaving of their own accord. Even if Biden is elected, I don’t see what he has to gain from sitting on his hands while anarchists continue to terrorize and burn down this city. If he doesn’t put an end to it quickly, it may become like his Iran hostage crisis. How many days will you sit there and let these people hold the city of Portland hostage?

    1. I think it is a legitimate criticism of Trump for not invoking the Insurrection Act and putting a stop to this. That said, the media’s refusal to tell the truth about the situation and the state and local authorities refusal to ask for help or do anything to maintain order has put Trump in a very tough spot. If he does the right thing and protects the property and rights of the people of Portland, the media will call him a tyrant and make martyrs out of Antifa. Since the media has lied about the situation there, a good part of the public might believe them. The fact is there is no national political momentum for the feds to step in and do something about Portland and that makes doing something about it very hard. If the media were anything but lying craven assholes, what is going on in Portland would be a national scandal and the country would be demanding it be stopped. But, alas they are and the country isn’t.

      1. It wouldn’t look good right before the election to any uninformed sheep. But there’s another consideration. Trump’s not popular with the military’s upper echelon, because he’s ruining their chances to make money with the MIC. The lower troops are more supportive of him, but they’re also pretty serious about the oaths they took about who to protect, meaning just because Trump orders the military in for the insurrection act doesn’t mean they’ll do it. The generals might claim it’s unconstitutional, and the grunts will err on the side of caution until its sorted out and not go in.

        1. He’s not popular in the upper echelon because Obama had 8 years to REPLACE the upper echelon.

          1. “He’s not popular in the upper echelon because Obama had 8 years to REPLACE the upper echelon.”

            What Brett said. That corrupt piece of shit that fell out of a Saudi’s ass, politicized many areas of government that previous Administrations had the brains to not overtly screw with: .mil, the Census, the IRS, and so on. I don’t know which way .mil will go if told to jump. Trump pulling troops back and telling Europe to start paying for their own defense, is really unpopular with a lot of the MIC.

        2. I’m not convinced that the average volunteer for the National Guard is likely to oppose protecting the lives and property of average Americans from looters, arsonists, and rioters.

          That’s their job.

    2. This is all a game. Democrats want Trump to use force in Portland. Trump is smart to do nothing. Sending in the feds previously was a gaffe. Wheeler isn’t running the show in Portland right now. We are seeing political theater play out in Portland and nothing will be done until Trump falls into their trap or the election ends.

      1. The feds went in strategically to create a climax and then leave anticlimactically. It worked but I guess they are still jobless so we should probably just let them fend for themselves over there.

        Pay Portland no mind, they don’t want help anyway. They’ll figure it out eventually.

  16. Holy shit… this is probably one of the best articles I’ve read in years.

    Thanks for your work, Nancy, and stay safe out there, seriously.

  17. Christa is drowned out by the canned police announcement asking people to stop antagonizing each other.

    “Right. ‘Stop criminal behavior,'” she says. “The problem is, the district attorney refuses to prosecute once they’re arrested. In essence, they’re promoting ongoing violence by not having any consequences.”

    – Rule of … what was it again? Oops, my hand slammed down on the scales once more. It keeps slipping like that, and I have no idea why!

  18. “We believe in peaceful protest and Black Lives Matter and all these issues. We do not agree with the collateral damage that is happening to our city.”

    This woman is part of the problem, a useful idiot. Supporting BLM and wishing for no riots is like eating a gallon of ice cream every night and wishing not to get fat. The one leads to the other. If you want to avoid violence, make marxists unwelcome in your community.

    1. She is a total idiot. None of these people ever ask themselves just what these “protests” are supposed to accomplish even if they were peaceful. Even if they were not violent and were not trying to burn down and loot the city, at some point people showing up every night to march and take up the streets becomes a public nuisance. Portland is the most liberal city in the country. It has virtually no black population and there isn’t any particular event that happened there or change to the city government these people are demanding or wouldn’t get if they did. So, what the hell is the point of it all? There isn’t any. So, why support it?

    2. and her second sentence there… can it really be called “collateral damage” if that which is damaged is targeted and intended?

      1. No it can’t. Moreover, how could a peaceful protest ever result in collateral damage? If it is peaceful, it shouldn’t result in damage. These people don’t seem to understand the meaning of words.

        1. Chuck P hit the nail on the head, up-thread, with the 1984 reference.

    3. If you want to avoid violence, make marxists unwelcome in your community.

      This. You have to make it clear early on that they’re not welcome, otherwise they get dug in like ticks. Take a cue from the people of Berthoud, CO.

    4. not to mention she’s still supporting Wheeler after all of this? She should be demanding his head on a pike.

    5. And this is a very widespread issue. Huge numbers of people who are definitely part of the problem, who tacitly support the movement, and who lend it legitimacy with their verbal support and their refusal to condemn. And yet they see themselves as the good guys simply because they don’t personally throw the bricks.

      1. I’m guessing there’s a non-insignificant number of people paying lip service so that their house isn’t the next thing burned down.

      2. Dude it’s all virtue signalling. Everyone desperately wants to be on the good side, and they think they themselves are good, and then they are shown police brutality so they side with the BLM by default. These people are all believers in a fantasy running through their head courtesy of social media that has incongruous with reality.

        Yes, they are useful idiots. No they don’t have time to do anything except try and look good. You can’t reason with belief, it’s an affront to the ego.

        The pendulum has already begun swinging back – Marxism is being exposed and it’s being acknowledged as uncool.

        Hopefully trump fucking with tik tok wont backfire. Idk why he’s doing that before the damned election – it’s fucking stupid.

  19. Can we just go ahead and nuke Portland from orbit? It’s the only way to be sure.

    1. I guess that’s one way to prove they’re wrong about nuclear power.

      1. “Efficiency and progress is ours once more
        Now that we have the Neutron bomb
        It’s nice and quick and clean and gets things done
        Away with excess enemy
        But no less value to property
        No sense in war but perfect sense at home”

    2. Proven tactic: destroy the village in order to save it.

      1. Who the fuck wants to save Portland?
        Blast that cancer into oblivion

        1. But make sure Dame isn’t there.
          Probably have only a few days before the Lakers knock the Blazers out of the playoffs, so clock ticking

        2. Henceforth, the city formerly known as Portland shall be known as glow in the dark hole in the ground.

  20. A big thanks to Nancy Rommelman for bringing some actual journalism to Reason.

    1. yes, double plus good reporting on her part

  21. https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2020/08/24/like-a-scene-out-of-hell-armed-blm-rioters-loot-pillage-and-burn-kenosha-following-police-shooting-n831506

    Meanwhile this shit is spreading. BLM rioters showed up armed and looted the center of Kenosha Wisconsin last night. There is no reason for this not to be stopped. It only happens because state and local authorities refuse to take the measures necessary to stop it. I can only conclude that the authorities who do this support the rioting and the looting.

    1. That, I think, is something Trump is going to hammer home during election season. We all know police aren’t perfect and expecting them to be able to protect you 100% of the time is foolish, but we’re at a point where police are being actively instructed to avoid protecting you. That’s a new phenomenon for a lot of people.

      From a libertarian perspective, at least mine, I accept some taxation even though it is theft. I do this because I understand that if the government weren’t stealing from me, the power vacuum would mean that some other goon or warlord would. At least I get to vote about how the government uses the funds it stole from me.

      But what’s the point of paying the taxes if you don’t get protection? Now you’re in a situation where not only does the government steal from you, they sit back and watch while the goons and warlords do it too.

      1. Yes, maintaining public order is an essential function of government. If the government can’t or does not do that, it ceases to be a government in any meaningful way. Trump has to hammer on this.

        The media and the Democrats can lie all they want and claim that this violence isn’t really happening or is somehow “bad luck” and nothing to do with BLM or Antifa and that no one really wants to defund the police. But, I don’t see how even the most backward New York Times reading liberal soccer mom won’t see what is going on. These movements are funded by and supported by Democrats and in many cases people within the Democratic Party and the rioting and looting is being allowed to happen exclusively by liberal Democratic mayors and governors. I don’t think the country is going to buy that it is somehow Trump’s fault or anything other than a direct result of the actions of the Democratic Party.

        1. “Trump has to hammer on this”
          But he’s already president. Hard to hammer on this without hitting his own hands.

          1. Nonsense. This is a states’ issue and they have the full authority to manage their own affairs. The feds or Trump should be nowhere near this fiasco as we absolutely do not want a federal police force to become the norm.

            Not to mention that portland explicitly declared that federal presence was the problem. The feds wisely withdraw and now the idiotic partisan governor and major get to wallow in what they created.

        2. The problem, I think, is not simply that the news media lies about this, but rather their habit of not covering it at all. There are many on the left who simply don’t know that left wing goons established a lawless ‘autonomous zone’ in Seattle or are currently terrorizing Portland. Because MSNBC doesn’t tell them. This should absolutely destroy democrats chances in November, at all levels, but it doesn’t. Because the story is largely buried by CNN, MSNBC, NYT, etc.

    2. The governor of Wisconsin came out and practically incited it

      1. Yup. Kenosha PD not having body cameras, and not getting out in front of the story with their version of events, didn’t help either. “Knife-wielding rapist, shot when he tried to get in a car full of kids,” plays a lot better on air than “Attempted unarmed peacemaker gets shot in the back by cops in front of children.”

  22. Politicians are useless when they refuse to enforce the law.

    I wonder how many days in jail It would take before those vandals realized the benefit of civil society? Not many I think.

    1. Politicians are useless when they refuse to enforce the law.

      FIFY

  23. The civil authorities have effectively abdicated any responsibility. Ideally they should face the consequences in the upcoming elections. But, given the practical situation in the city, who would be willing to run in opposition?

    The situation is much, much worse than mere events on the streets would indicate.

    1. Yes they should. The solution to this is not for the feds to go in and make martyrs of Antifa. The solution is for the feds and the courts to start holding mayors and governors personally responsible for refusing to enforce the law. That is what they would do if a mayor or a governor were telling the police force to stand down and allow the KKK to terrorize black people. What is happening in these cities is no different.

      1. The solution is for the feds and the courts to start holding mayors and governors personally responsible for refusing to enforce the law.

        Qualified immunity, baby.

      2. Yeah, equal protection suggests that the government should be doing some protecting, and certainly shouldn’t consult factors of politics and race before deciding how much (if any) protecting to do.

        I’m not saying it will be an automatic conviction, since the politicians will simply claim incompetence not malice – “we were doing the best we could but durn it, it wasn’t enough!”

  24. Trump is the personification of this “hate in Portland” and the Republicans embraced it and elected it to the presidency. That’s more consequential than anything that happens at night in Portland.

    1. Trump is the personification of this “hate in Portland”

      He is the personification of people who claim to hate his guts? That is a strange way to look at things. Trump supporters are not rioting anywhere.

      This has nothing to do with Trump. This is about the Democrats enabling and emboldening the far left for decades now and it finally coming home to roost. Antifa is the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party owns the violence in Portland and elsewhere. It is who they are. If you don’t like that, tough shit. Maybe the Democrats ought to do something to stop the monster they created. It wasn’t Republicans or Trump supporters who ran around proudly claiming Antifa were the good guys the last few years. It was Democrats and a few dumb ass Republicans trying to win favor with them. Tell us more about how Antifa are just like the men who stormed the beaches of Normandy. I seem to recall you craven jackasses having a lot to say about that.

      1. Leftists are the reason why rioters burn, loot, and murder then blame the cops, saying things like “they’re using every tactic in the book to provoke/manipulate us”.
        Shut the fuck up.
        You burn, loot, and murdef because you’re psychotic, totalitarian assholes.
        The left breeds this infantile attitude of “my actions are someone else’s fault” and expects us to fall for it.
        Ok, you want those to be the rules?
        Gonna be a bloodbath

        1. While at the same time, people like you don’t give two shits when cops steal, beat up, brutalize, shoot and kill, and have done so for decades

          Because it’s not “your” people being hurt. Because it’s “them”.

          1. OK? The cops in question in Minnesota were promptly arrested and (overcharged) with varying degrees of Murder, for interfering with a career felon’s self-inflicted Fentanyl overdose.

            What more would you have liked the city of Minneapolis to have done? And what about their actions, justified mobs burning and looting in several major American cities for the last few months?

            1. So you’re making the claim that the cops were 100% innocent and if they just stood there, Floyd would have still died?

              1. So you’re arguing that you’re retarded?

              2. Go look at the autopsy reports. Floyd had enough Fentanyl in him to smother a horse. To boot, he was fat, suffering from the ‘Rona, and had heart issues. Of course, he could’ve been a habitual addict, and had built up a tolerance to the opiate. ‘Eggshell plaintiff,’ in any event. I pointed it out here, when some of the longer bodycam videos came out, to expect many or all of these cops to walk.

                Doesn’t mean Chauvin wasn’t an idiot in continuing to restrain Floyd. I like some degree of negligent or reckless homicide for Chauvin. If he gets off, I won’t be surprised though. There’s a lot of reasonable doubt concerning Chauvin’s actions constituting causation of Floyd’s death.

                If Floyd had come clean with the officers about his drug use, and heart condition, perhaps he rides in an ambulance and we never hear about him. Or he arrests in the jail and not on a street corner, and we also never hear about him.

                1. Ok then. I’m not even going to bother arguing with you at this stage. Go ahead and believe what you will.

                  1. The facts are a bitch. It would have been nice if the city of Minneapolis had not waited so long to release them to the public.

          2. How are you defining ‘people like you’ and ‘your’ people? If by race, then it’s worth noting that over half of people shot by police are white. If you mean ‘unarmed / not dangerous’, then the vast majority of police shootings are of armed dangerous people.

            1. I mean people being victimized by police for years and the people/property harmed by the riots.

              See, this is why Libertarians are such jokes. They hammer on and on about how EVIL the state and government is. But when something comes up to disrupt things?

              “SAVE US STATE! SAVE US GOVERNMENT! SHOOT THE EVIL MARXISTS!”

              1. Curb your delusions. Blm and antifa arent doing anything to make the situation better or improve law enforcement accountabilty. They are a joke, making the issues 10x worse. This acab bullcrap will do nothing except reinforce the blueline and drive out the honorable cops because why should they put up with this.

                1. I have yet to see an honorable cop during all this. And the fact that people here legit think Antifa/BLM is apparently worse then the cops is nothing short of delusional.

                  1. The police, in almost every city, in almost every situation have shown extreme restraint throughout this ordeal. Honorable to a fault. To the point of convincing previous supporters of police reform that maybe the problem lies not with the police . . .

                    1. Meanwhile we have actual footage of police beating on people for no reason, shooting teargas canisters at point blank range at people’s heads, horribly injuring people who were doing nothing, blinding children with pepper spray…

                      I could go on, but I’m sure the leather taste of the boot is something you wish to go back to lick.

                  2. And, if you need help getting your medications, or other counseling, I think there are social services that can assist you.

    2. Go Joe Biden! National Lockdown!

    3. Assuming you’re a parody sock. I have yet to even chuckle….Try harder.

  25. “And it’s not going to stop until the mayor and the governor let us do our jobs,” a Portland police officer later tells me. Which neither have been inclined to do, framing the protests as peaceful when they visibly and exponentially are not.

    Thank you, Nancy.

    1. Yes, very good reporting.

      Though I do wish people would stop using “exponential” who don’t seem to actually know what it means.

  26. I’ve wondered if any democrats or media would start reporting or acting on this violence. Here’s Colorado’s Govenor Jared Polis, as of yesterday:
    “Just as we all condemn inexcusable acts of terror against a family-owned restaurant, acts of criminal terrorism are just as wrong against corporate chains and public buildings,” the Democrat tweeted, sharing video of demonstrators smashing windows at a Quizno’s restaurant downtown. “An attack against any of our lives and property is an attack against all of our lives and property.”

    Will any sane democrat denounce the DNC putting a convicted multi-day torturer, rapist, homophobe and murderer (without remorse) up at the convention. I assume it was to show some kind of redemption, due to the horrible childhood she endured. Is Prison reform really this narrative… lets let black female murderers out, its not their fault, its systemic racism. I guess we will see how the public feels about that (that is, if any media outlet reports on it).

    1. I have no problem with second chances. But I am sorry, there is a limit to that. If this women has done something positive with her life since, good for her. But she doesn’t deserve a speaking slot at a convention. That is just giving the finger to the families of her victim.

      And there are literally millions of people out there who have been to prison and made something positive of their lives after they got out of jail. Yet, with all of those options, most of whom would have been honored to tell their story at the convention, the Democrats chose a person guilty of the most heinous and vicious crime. It is not like this women shot her abusive husband in a fit of rage or something. She helped kidnap and torture a person to death.

      That the Democrats chose her really shows how morally bankrupt they are. Jesus Christ, why don’t they just call themselves the party of Satan and get it over with.

      1. Yeah, I’m kind of speechless on that. She also joked about the rape method of torture, because the man was gay.

      2. I’m gonna have to admit ignorance about who you’re talking about?

        1. Me too. Though how funny that Thugalina got to speak at the Convention, and Tulsi Gabbard wasn’t let into the building.

        2. Having bothered to look her, Donna Hylton up, here is the story from her wiki: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Hylton

          “Murder of Thomas Vigliarolo
          On March 20, 1985,[16] Donna Hylton and three female accomplices drugged and kidnapped 62-year-old Long Island real estate broker Thomas Vigliarolo at the behest of Louis Miranda, who thought Vigliarolo had cheated him out of $139,000 on a mutual con[4] in which the two allegedly sold shares in New York City condos and pocketed the money.[17] The kidnappers held Vigliarolo prisoner for 15–20 days. During that time, three men and four women, including Hylton, starved, burned, beat, sexually assaulted/raped, and tortured him.[4] On April 5, 1985, with Hylton asleep in the next room,[18] Vigliarolo died of asphyxiation. Three days later, his body was found locked in a trunk in a Manhattan apartment.[5]”

          We’re done here. How in the fuck is this woman allowed to breathe air?

          1. Well, that’s just fucked up.

      3. Yet, with all of those options, most of whom would have been honored to tell their story at the convention, the Democrats chose a person guilty of the most heinous and vicious crime.

        You think it’s an accident? I think they deliberately pick the most vile and repulsive people they can to lionize. To tell the public “You must celebrate THIS.”. Putting up a genuinely sympathetic or inspirational example isn’t what they’re after. They want to tell the public that they must celebrate actual monsters or risk being destroyed.

        1. Agree. And, its even bigger than that.. Donna Hylton address people as “Comrade” (and the torture she committed was horrific). Centrally planning the economy is what the democrats are after. Everyone had known for decades that Clinton, Weinstein and Epstein were sociopathic scum- – it doesn’t matter. What matters is that the right people centrally control the means of production and every aspect of our lives while promising certain “black” people a seat at that control table.

  27. To all those who love or still have hopes of saving Portland: sorry, things have crossed the reality threshold. So, maybe like black holes, we need to make Portland beyond the event threshold. Anyone who gets too close simply vanishes into the unknown, and no signal of any kind reaches back into the real world. Forever.

    Black Holes Matter!

  28. Twenty or thirty men who can beat the crap out of those dweebs should wade in and beat the crap out of everyone in front of them from time to time. A smart tactician should direct the battles. They will all go away when they accept that they are not men.

  29. Isn’t it interesting that no city in a red state has been taken over by anarchists?

    1. So my city which is and always has been run by Democrats is called purple by you folks who like to divide by political color. There is no such thing as any of this unrest.

      Red state Blue State

      Say! What a lot of states there are.

      Not one of them is like another
      Don’t ask us why
      Go ask your mother.

  30. Anti-White thugs are attacking White people that oppose the genocidal policies of massive 3rd world immigration and forced assimilation for Every White country and Only White countries. If anti-White ideas are so good, then why do they have to be violently forced upon White people to ensure that they don’t object to this? It’s obvious that Antifa really only wants White Genocide.

    1. Antifa is whiter than snow. So, it would seem a bit odd that they would be calling for their own genocide. They are retarded. So, I guess anything is possible.

      1. They’re Maoists and want an end to free market capitalism and property rights in this country.

      2. What is possible is that when you turn up a rock you find someone like this. There is no point in a rational discussion.

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  32. By far the best reporting available on the Portland situation. I love that city and all (most) of its crazies. It can still be saved.

    1. I’ve no doubt that it can be saved. But, at this point, is it even worth saving? Will the public see themselves as saved from sociopaths, or will they lionize the very sociopaths they’re being saved from? Will Portland learn the lesson of not tolerating Maoist riots or will it enlist them as their next generation of “civic leaders”? About the only advantage I can see right now to saving Portland would be to keep the leftism from metastasizing as Portlanders flee the chaos.

  33. …I think how it makes sense for him to join a movement where he can feel integral without having to substantiate his reasoning, where the cost of membership is hating the people he is told to hate.

    Ouch.

  34. “they need to be captured in a medium other than film”

    guess what

  35. I guess I have Reason to thank for being enlightened about police abuses. And for realizing that while the police can abuse or shoot black people, they can also abuse or shoot white people. And that the longer the rotten apples stay in the barrel, the more tainted the whole barrel becomes.

    And shifting focus to Minneapolis for a moment, I am certainly open to the possibility that bent cops can kill people. I recall the riots in Australia when a white Minneapolis cop killed that Aboriginal woman who was trying to report a crime.

    No, wait, the cop was black and the Australian woman was white. And I don’t remember any riots. Because it would have been silly, rioters punishing whole communities for the crimes of bent cops. That would have been wicked and, yes, counterproductive.

  36. What needs to happen is the People of Portland organizing their local militia, banding together and policing their own neighborhoods, outside of the influence of the municipal terrorists. Don’t “back the blue” Back the People, under constitutional law. The militia witnesses a crime, the criminal/s is placed under arrest. The municipal corporation B.A.R. shill won’t prosecute, don’t turn them over to the municipal corporation. In fact maybe the municipal corporation scum need to get arrested and put in the same prison as the rioters.
    Form a common law tribunal completely separate from any city influence, maybe, bring the county Sheriff in on it, if he/she understands their oath & obligations and if needed, start your own prison.
    This isn’t going to end while it’s in the hands of politicians.

    1. You would have to drive 30 miles out of Portland to find a politician or LEO willing to stand up to Oregon. The lesbian-married-to-a-man that they elected governor leans so far left that she can’t help but drive the state in circles. Plus there is no way she can petition the feds the way the previous governor did, which resulted in the death of a protester at the Malhuer National Wildlife Refuge. Especially after the trials exposed their malfeasance.

      There are some very good sheriffs in Oregon, and I hope they stand up and keep the riffraff away from their constituents while the proggies let Portland goes up in flames. Maybe they will vote for a real governor next time.

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  38. “We believe in peaceful protest and Black Lives Matter and all these issues. We do not agree with the collateral damage that is happening to our city. ”

    These people still don’t get it. No, BLM IS the problem. There’s no question Antifa should have been nipped in the bud (and despite all their violence and Democrat AG’s refusing to prosecuted them thus abandoning their duty to protect the people, while idiot celebrities bailed criminals out, you get despicable Democrat politicians like Adler claim they’re a myth) and now BLM has millions in their coffers thanks to useful idiots including corporate America.

    This now is in line with the class warfare skirmishes seen in post-war Europe or South America in the 1950s.

    This stuff was allowed to grow (maybe on purpose. Why weren’t these people ever brought to justice? ) and it will take time to quell it.

    1. “Why weren’t these people ever brought to justice?”
      Because everyone is waiting for “them” to bring themselves to justice… like some bad joke.
      As you said, the municipal terrorists [Mayors, governors, attorneys, police] have abandoned their duty, I would say they are both derelict in their duty allowing and even encouraging the breakdown of law and party to sedition, while people are waiting for them to solve a problem that they are the root of.
      People need to realize their sovereign authority as “We The People” and start forming into militia and arrest both the rioters and the municipal terrorists that have clearly vacated their public office by their contempt for constitutional law & their oath of office.
      But no, everybody is just sitting there, looking at everybody else, waiting for somebody to do something. Is there not a man among them….?

      1. Go out there with a gun, try to “arrest” someone and see what happens.

        I’ll wait.

        1. I have, more then once.
          But yah, go ahead keep being a worthless wiseass.

          1. I call bullshit.

            1. Oh! Well, that changes everything.

    2. The longer the violence and rioting is allowed to fester and grow, the more brutal it’s eventual suppression will necessarily be. This all could have been nipped in the bud a month ago with a few arrests. Instead, the political leaders cheered it on. Now, a few arrests won’t stop it.

  39. “What else are they going to do in a COVID-closed city on a Saturday night?”

    Which is the real root of the issue.

    1. The tragedy of the lockdowns is it never was rooted in science. It was an over reaction to a flawed model predicting mass death and catastrophe. One hundred years of established science – poof! – ignored and gone.

      And what do the ‘we follow science’ psychopaths do and say? They stick to the stupid refusing to pivot.

      Sweden was right all along.

  40. This sounds like the rare case where voting really might make a difference. Vote out the Democrats running the city. Vote out the DA who doesn’t prosecute people for insurrection.

    87 days? Arrest the 20 worst rioters every day, sentence them for various felonies, and lock them up for 5, 10 or 20 years or more. After 3 months the 1800 worst agitators would be behind bars and the rest of their fellow travelers might not be so eager to destroy stuff.

    1. They will not get a very different result in Portland, where the hippies like to double down on the stupid. There may be a real chance that some change could come at governor though.

  41. Thank you Rommelmann for going to the scene and actually reporting what you saw and heard; I believe that is called actual journalism, as opposed to rehashing one’s preferred talking points into the oblivion of “Chardonnay Wisdom.”

    So it seems we have a little American cultural revolution going on.

  42. I love how all the commenters cant wait to lambaste and call antifa/BLM as Marxists and Terrorists who deserve to be killed, but the actual cops who started all this and have been brutalizing people much worse for decades?

    “Let them do their job.”

    1. BLM was founded as a Marxist group. Antifa’s murky origins began when Trump was elected believing him to be a fascist.

      Both offer false hope and violence.

      Dead enders.

      1. Do please tell me what the cops offer that make them so much more preferable.

        1. You’re presenting a false choice.

          1. It’s literally the only choice going on right now out there. Because some meek Libertarian going “Plz stop fighting” isn’t going to work.

            1. Past (perceived or not) abuses aside, cops are the only way to get this cleaned or cleaned up.

              1. Yeah well, all the videos of said police “cleaning up” these protests is just more of the same of what we’ve come to expect from them.

                1. You should definitely cry more.
                  You’re super good at it

                  1. And you should whine more, you’re very gifted at that.

              2. Yeah well, all the videos of said police “cleaning up” these protests is just more of the same of what we’ve come to expect from them.

                1. You mean the heavily edited video, that always conveniently leaves out everything that happened right up until the cops intercede. Yes, police reform is necessary, doing away with the police altogether is completely asinine. And BLM and ANTIFA are turning people off, not waking them up, to the necessity of needed police reform. They are not helping their cause, they are hurting it.

                  1. Assuming their cause is police reform.
                    Somehow, I don’t think it really is

        2. Body cameras. Oversight. Threat of prosecution. Training. That they do not wander through residential neighborhoods accosting people randomly. Oh, and the fact their purpose in life is not violent marxist revolution. Small things, but important.

  43. One question I’ve had is why Portland? Is there just a critical mass of Antifatards there or is the city government just more willing to tolerate their shenanigans? There have been reports on my neighborhood forum of car and house windows being smashed on residential streets here and my first thought was that this shit might be spreading to other cities

    1. Every since the violence that accompanied the proud boy protests last year, in which much of it was started by Antifa, but the prosecutor and mayor supported Antifa and castigated the proud boys and other conservative groups (note I am not supporting thee proud boys) they realized they had a license to do these sorts of activities.

  44. This is one big fat 85day advertisement for the Trump campaign. All the Trumpster has do is to stick his nose in where it doesn’t belong, get blasted over social media, back off and repeat right up to election day.

    These goofballs really make the Trump Campaign press free and impactful.

    1. It does, however, require the MSNBC/CNN/NYT voter to pay attention, and learn what is really going on. Because the violence is largely ignored my the media. As the saying goes, the silence from the democrats and their allies in the media is deafening.

  45. Kudos to Ms Rommelmann for the best coverage I’ve seen of the Portland riots. Certainly a lot better than NPR or the mainstream media. I don’t think it’s easy for either side to capitalize on this. After all, it was Trump who promised to end “this American carnage.” Instead, everything he’s said has tended to inflame it. As a resident of the Bay Area, I’m surprised the violence hasn’t taken hold here.
    It’s all reminiscent of the Sixties – Columbia, Chicago, Harlem, Watts. Forget about Marxism and fascism. It has less to do with political philosophy than with a surfeit of hot-headed, spoiled kids with nothing more entertaining to do than stir up trouble. The Covid lockdown has created a lot of pent-up tensions. No summer jobs, no vacations, no school, sports or concerts. What better to do than check out the demo? Timid liberals unable to control them, and a fat-headed President eager to throw fuel on the flames. In time, it will all pass like a summer fever – like the Sixties.

    1. Looks like Nancy has provoked media matters to throw some of their ten centers in

  46. Finally somebody at Reason realizes this shit isn’t funny or romantic or something to be smugly dismissed or joked about. This is the disintegration of a city and society. How many cities have to be destroyed before Libertarians finally realize that no society, even the most perfect libertarian ideal, can survive with this constant destruction and yes, lawlessness?
    Reason should at least make the case that every Portlander should be armed and dangerous in their own homes.

  47. The Proud Boys are not Alt-Right and it seems like a glaring error from an journalist who should know this.

    1. The Proud Boys are literally far-right, neo-fascists that deliberately try to and in fact does engage in political violence.

      1. Do you even have a clue what you are talking about? Theirs is an odd conglomeration – but your description is hardly accurate in any way.

        Instead of the description spread by Antifa and their supporters, let’s let them describe themselves in their own words:

        hough these are our central tenets, all that is required to become a Proud Boy is that a man declare he is “a Western chauvinist who refuses to apologize for creating the modern world.” We do not discriminate based upon race or sexual orientation/preference. We are not an “ism”, “ist”, or “phobic” that fits the Left’s narrative. We truly believe that the West Is The Best and welcome those who believe in the same tenets as us. We have an international reach, with members spanning the globe. If you have any questions or would like get in contact with your local chapter, feel free to contact us directly via our staff page. This, after all, the one and only Proud Boy Magazine. For Proud Boys, by Proud Boys. UHURU!

        If you’re interested here are some additional articles and video clips to shed some more light on our movement. In fact, here are a few Gavin has written for this website.

        We Are Not Alt-Right

        Kind of weird. Not what I would write as my manifesto.

        But in no way even remotely “fascist”, despite attempts from the minions of the CWPA to characterize them as such. I really don’t think Antifa, the SPLC, and the ADL have a clue what fascism is, based on their descriptions of groups as fascist.

        Their ideology seems to be “No, you guys are assholes and there is nothing wrong with being an American man.”

        Might not be your cup of tea, but it is hardly a fascist hate group, despite the best efforts of the far left to create an enemy out of whole cloth.

        1. Right. I’m sure you’re going to take their word for it at face value.

          Meanwhile, in reality, they started the Unite the Right Rally, Portland police gave tips to them about Antifa movements, participated in rallies organized by Patriot Prayer and proudly showed off their violent actions over social media, constantly been the toadies of Roger Stone, and their founder Gavin McInnes is quoted as stating quite lovely things like how he wanted to fuck a young Asian lady until she talked or espoused White Genocide conspiracy theories.

          They are very much a facist hate group. If commenters here are free to label BLM/Antifa as communists/Marxists, I’m just as free to call Proud Boys as Alt-Right/Facists.

          1. BLM and Antifa both proudly lable themselves as marxists. Antifa is a mix of Anarcho-communists, communists and squshily defined ‘socialists’. They don’t pretend to be anything different. BLM sometimes pretends to be a criminal justice reform group, but the center and organizers are all self-described Marxists, and their platform is quite obviously Marxist.

            So yeah, take them at their word.

            I’m quite sure “proud boys” and other similar groups are attractive to angry misfits who also associate with all sorts of fringe political ideas, but the central defining ideology is as described above.

            And you gotta come up with a definition for fascist that has something to do with fascism. Antifa is much, much closer to fascism than any of the supposedly fascist groups they pretend to oppose. About the only thing people seem to mean by fascist is “white people we disagree with”.

            1. Read the NSDAP platform of 1920, Franco’s speeches and Mussolini’s deals with the Pope and you will notice that fascist invariably means religious socialist or at best heavily mixed economy religious statist. –Libertariantranslator

            2. I can recall history too: Did you know during the Civil Rights protests, MLK Jr. was accused of being a communist too?

              So I consider your accusations with just as much seriousness.

  48. Another fantastic article.

    It makes me wonder…. what will it take to convince the average citizens of Portland to stand up for their community and against their government who seem hell-bent on using civil unrest to score political points on a national stage? Why have the ordinary citizenry not risen up and carried the mayor out of town on a rail?

    1. There’s basically nothing residents can do in practical terms. Portlanders as a whole are strongly anti-gun, so there’s nothing here in the way of a power equalizer. The riots are concentrated groups, while the rest of the citizenry is hiding out from COVID, diffusely in their homes.

      We’ll see what happens at the election, but Portland is so solidly left that even if they vote in a completely new set of officials the response is unlikely to change much.

  49. You’re a brave and impressive lady for going down there at all. I live in Portland metro and where I’d normally go once a week to visit a friend, and once a month or so to eat out or shop, I haven’t been downtown in 6 months. First because of lockdown fears, then because of lockdown mandates, and now because there’s just no telling when and where, as a white person, I might be randomly killed in the street. Meanwhile my liberal and leftist friends constantly gaslight about the violence.

    Then on top of the lies, and despite the high stress of life generally, they refuse my repeated requests to stop constantly, hatefully, irrationally preaching on the topic to me. The stress of the arguments isn’t healthy with everything else going on this year, and opting to listen to their nonsense without responding doesn’t do enough to mitigate how upsetting it is when it doesn’t stop for hours on end. I’ve lost a close friend over this, and I’m alienated from most of the rest of the people I know. I’m thankful that at least I don’t live close enough to be getting the flashlights in the window treatment. That kind of behavior is completely unacceptable.

    Portland has had nothing but hard left Democrats in office for decades now. If the hard left here actually want change, they’re clearly either too stupid to vote for it, or too stupid to effect it once in office. Thanks for the dangerous work you do. I really hope this BS is put to rest soon.

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  51. Great reporting!
    It seems to me that every business owner with a smashed window, and every homeowner/renter awakened by lights shined by an angry mob is going to secretly vote Republican.
    These people are giving Trump and the GOP free publicity as the law and order party.

  52. Great reporting! Watching fascists and communists bark at each other is fun, but why not choose a David and Goliath from each camp and do a street Octagon–with biting and gouging facultative? Then do it again and again? Every casualty from either side automatically eliminates 0.00000007% of the for-force votes against Jo Jorgensen. Our platform says to legalize suicide, and nothing could be more welcome than the real and political suicide of the entire Kleptocracy. Last party standing wins!

  53. > Maybe violence, he says. “You have a 24-year-old white kid who lives in his mother’s basement get hit upside the head? He’s not going to come out the next night.”

    Trust that if any of these “peaceful protesters” had learned the lesson of getting “hit upside the head” in the playground, the lives of everyone around them would be better.

    But never too late to learn!

  54. I’m just glad this nonsense isn’t happening in my neighborhood.

    Not trying to be “that guy”, but if I were to respond to someone banging on my windows and yelling about me joining their cause there’s a better than 50/50 chance that response would include a green laser beam pointed back out that same window (anything following that would depend on the further actions of those doing the banging)…

    It baffles me that something similar hasn’t happened yet in PDX.

    1. And I would want to react the same way, especially if my wife was home with me, and I can guarantee that would result in me dying in prison, as I am not a young man, while the perpetrator would be made a martyr, and the crowd would overwhelm my house and destroy it, and probably injure and/or rape and/or murder my wife.

  55. Curious that you didn’t see Alan Swinney drawing his firearm with the finger on the trigger multiple times? Did you see Tusitala “Tiny” Toese, who is wanted on a warrant after violating the conditions of his probation (in which he is to not attend protests) . Did you see Proud Boys assault journalist Robert Evans and break his finger? I’m glad it hasn’t erupted into anyone being killed yet, which just happened last night in Wisconson.

    Thank you Nancy for your reporting. I think Portland could do without these protests at this point and left and right play-acting their battles. I’m pretty firmly on the left and obviously not a fan of the right wing counter protesters, but I think alot of people have blinders on about the property destruction and cultishness of BLM at this point. But I do think it’s mirrored in the right-wing protesters, and I’m afraid we’re sitting on a powderkeg.

  56. If someone is eventually shot by, say, someone who feels their home is under threat, the protesters will then have a martyr, who will be held up as proof of a racist system. It’s a bit of a finger trap, really.

    Whoops.

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